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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The job's numbers for August were disappointing, to say the least,
and who knows, they may very well get revised downward,
because that's what happens with government. They overestimate even when
they even when they over expect a number, they still
seem to overestimate the number that actually comes out and
they end up revising it later, maybe hoping you won't notice.
(00:21):
Stephen Camarado notices he's at the Center for Immigration Studies
because one of the things that's coming out of the
jobs report is just how many of these jobs that
were filled went to foreign born workers. Steven, Welcome to
News Radio seven forty KTRH. What do you glean from
those jobs numbers?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, well, we've been tracking this for quite some time,
and to remind your listeners, this is called the household Survey.
The technical name is the Current Population Survey, and it
does identify people who were not born in the United
States and are not American citizens and so forth. And
for months now, really for the past year, all of
the job growth seems to have been going to the
foreign born, or mostly all of it. And it's also
(00:59):
the case if you look at the last two years,
it's around eighty percent has gone to the far and born.
So we do we have created a lot of jobs,
but it doesn't seem that US born Americans are the
ones getting them.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You know, everything is so heightened because of the election, obviously,
but if you're a person, all these numbers don't mean anything.
If you're the person who can't get a job.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Right now in America, the big problem is not the
unemployment rate.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Let me just say this.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
The unemployment is only people who've looked for a job
in the last four weeks. What we've had persisted in
a long, long term deterioration is the share of people
who are actually in the labor force. So it used
to be the case years ago that if we looked
at men of working age that like say the ones
without a college degree, it used to be that like
(01:51):
twelve percent at any one time are out of the
labor force.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
That means they're not looking for a job and they're
not working.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And now it's more like twenty six percent, and that's
the numbers for Texas. So what that tells us is
there are a lot of people on the economic sidelines.
They're not looking and they're not working, and they're not
even looking, and that's what we've seen in this explosion
in and what's so bad about that is that it's
linked to all kinds of social problems, from crime, to
(02:19):
drug use to being socially isolated.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And so our jobs creation machine in America.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And in Texas seem to be benefiting mostly new arrivals.
And so we think that about maybe sixty sixty five
percent of that growth in jobs among the immigrants is
among illegal immigrants in.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
The data, although it would be interesting to know then
how many of the illegal immigrants who are here are
not looking for work but are receiving benefits, because that's
a bit that's a big brain on the taxpayer as well.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Right, So of all the immigrants, of all the recently
arrived immigrants, it looks like about forty six to fifty
percent are working.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
So they're fifty percent.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
On and that's because partly because they're you know, people
taking care of kids, or they're too old to work,
or they're too young to work, where they're disabled, or
what any number of other reasons. And so one of
the things that happens, though is with illegal immigration is
they have US born children, and then those children are
merely eligible for all social programs, and we do see
(03:23):
a lot of evidence in the government data of illegal
immigrants with US born children benefiting from everything from public
housing to free school lunch do you know, food stamps,
So there is a lot of that in the data.
But a lot of those people also work too, So
people sometimes think that welfare and work are completely separate,
but they're not.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It is true that there are a bunch of new
arrivals now in these cities that are costing the cities
a lot of money to provide things like housing and
basic food, but most illegal immigrants who are of working
age do work after they've been here for a while,
but they can also get benefits.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
That's the other thing that I think a lot of
people forgeting.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Basically, it's a trend that is not sustainable for US
as a country.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Right. Well, this is important.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Usually the way a country improves its economy is to
upskill its labor force.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
You know, people become more skilled, more educated.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And some illegal immigrants are skilled, but overall the available
evidence we have is illegal immigrants are overwhelmingly and unskilled population.
So one of the things that illegal immigration does to
a state like Texas is reduced the overall education level
of your workforce, and that does have negative implications both
for productivity in the long run, and instead of training
(04:40):
people and substituting capital for labor, you're relying on a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Of unskilled labor.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And at the same time, it does create tremendous demand
on social services and low income people. That is, those
with the modest levels of education don't pay that much
in taxes either.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, man, It also tells us to the quality of
the jobs right A lot of those jobs are being
filled by unskilled people. That tells us what the quality
of those jobs are. Steven Camarado, thank you, sir, appreciate it,
Director of Research Center for Immigration Studies,
The job's numbers for August were disappointing, to say the least,
and who knows, they may very well get revised downward,
because that's what happens with government. They overestimate even when
they even when they over expect a number, they still
seem to overestimate the number that actually comes out and
they end up revising it later, maybe hoping you won't notice.
(00:21):
Stephen Camarado notices he's at the Center for Immigration Studies
because one of the things that's coming out of the
jobs report is just how many of these jobs that
were filled went to foreign born workers. Steven, Welcome to
News Radio seven forty KTRH. What do you glean from
those jobs numbers?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, well, we've been tracking this for quite some time,
and to remind your listeners, this is called the household Survey.
The technical name is the Current Population Survey, and it
does identify people who were not born in the United
States and are not American citizens and so forth. And
for months now, really for the past year, all of
the job growth seems to have been going to the
foreign born, or mostly all of it. And it's also
(00:59):
the case if you look at the last two years,
it's around eighty percent has gone to the far and born.
So we do we have created a lot of jobs,
but it doesn't seem that US born Americans are the
ones getting them.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You know, everything is so heightened because of the election, obviously,
but if you're a person, all these numbers don't mean anything.
If you're the person who can't get a job.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Right now in America, the big problem is not the
unemployment rate.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Let me just say this.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
The unemployment is only people who've looked for a job
in the last four weeks. What we've had persisted in
a long, long term deterioration is the share of people
who are actually in the labor force. So it used
to be the case years ago that if we looked
at men of working age that like say the ones
without a college degree, it used to be that like
(01:51):
twelve percent at any one time are out of the
labor force.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
That means they're not looking for a job and they're
not working.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And now it's more like twenty six percent, and that's
the numbers for Texas. So what that tells us is
there are a lot of people on the economic sidelines.
They're not looking and they're not working, and they're not
even looking, and that's what we've seen in this explosion
in and what's so bad about that is that it's
linked to all kinds of social problems, from crime, to
(02:19):
drug use to being socially isolated.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And so our jobs creation machine in America.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And in Texas seem to be benefiting mostly new arrivals.
And so we think that about maybe sixty sixty five
percent of that growth in jobs among the immigrants is
among illegal immigrants in.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
The data, although it would be interesting to know then
how many of the illegal immigrants who are here are
not looking for work but are receiving benefits, because that's
a bit that's a big brain on the taxpayer as well.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Right, So of all the immigrants, of all the recently
arrived immigrants, it looks like about forty six to fifty
percent are working.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
So they're fifty percent.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
On and that's because partly because they're you know, people
taking care of kids, or they're too old to work,
or they're too young to work, where they're disabled, or
what any number of other reasons. And so one of
the things that happens, though is with illegal immigration is
they have US born children, and then those children are
merely eligible for all social programs, and we do see
(03:23):
a lot of evidence in the government data of illegal
immigrants with US born children benefiting from everything from public
housing to free school lunch do you know, food stamps,
So there is a lot of that in the data.
But a lot of those people also work too, So
people sometimes think that welfare and work are completely separate,
but they're not.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It is true that there are a bunch of new
arrivals now in these cities that are costing the cities
a lot of money to provide things like housing and
basic food, but most illegal immigrants who are of working
age do work after they've been here for a while,
but they can also get benefits.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
That's the other thing that I think a lot of
people forgeting.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Basically, it's a trend that is not sustainable for US
as a country.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Right. Well, this is important.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Usually the way a country improves its economy is to
upskill its labor force.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
You know, people become more skilled, more educated.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And some illegal immigrants are skilled, but overall the available
evidence we have is illegal immigrants are overwhelmingly and unskilled population.
So one of the things that illegal immigration does to
a state like Texas is reduced the overall education level
of your workforce, and that does have negative implications both
for productivity in the long run, and instead of training
(04:40):
people and substituting capital for labor, you're relying on a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Of unskilled labor.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And at the same time, it does create tremendous demand
on social services and low income people. That is, those
with the modest levels of education don't pay that much
in taxes either.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, man, It also tells us to the quality of
the jobs right A lot of those jobs are being
filled by unskilled people. That tells us what the quality
of those jobs are. Steven Camarado, thank you, sir, appreciate it,
Director of Research Center for Immigration Studies,
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