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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome back to the Energy Mix Radio Today we have
a true icon of American politics and energy policy joining.
We are delighted to welcome former US Senator Mary Lander.
During her three terms in Senate from nineteen ninety seven
to twenty fifteen, Senator Landrew was a tireless and often
bipartisan advocate for her home state of Louisiana and for
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a comprehensive national energy policy. Most notably, she served as
the chair the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, a
pivotal role that shaped much of her any legislation as
we see today, and I'm excited to do a deep
dive with her on her policy legacy and her current
perspective on energy and the.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Let's get started.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Welcome to the Energy Mixed Radio Shows.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Thank you, Kim.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You've been very busy these last few days, but of
course he wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
This is the sort of center.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Of the universe for energy in the world. That's gotten
to be one of the what largest conferences and most
influential Sarah Week right here in Houston, the energy capital.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Of the world.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, Senator, let me ask you a question on that
sings we're bringing up. Why we're here. I believe this
is a lot of future policy legislators, technologies being born.
This is where everything kind of comes together, where the
road meets the rubbery, you can pretty much understand where
the energy sector is going absolutely. I mean that's why
I've come every year for the last five years. And
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I wish I would have come twenty years ago. I
honestly didn't know about or realize how significant Central Week was.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Dan Yerton started this, I think forty years ago, from
visionary a visionary There were one hundred people at the
first meeting.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Forty years of that.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Now there are over ten thousand, eighty five countries represented.
But it is its started as sort of oil and gas,
you know, discussions between CEOs and companies about you know,
the fuel, et cetera, and the energy of our country.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
But it is it's.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Expanded way beyond you know, our traditional and conventional resources
So we have our nuclear folks were here. We have fusion,
which is an exciting new technology. We have wind, we
have solar, we have advanced batteries. We have finance folks
here that are putting their money in their capital, you know,
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behind the effort. It's really grown to be exactly what
you just said, if you are in the energy business.
And let me just say this, I hope it's getting
very clear to everyone. Whether you're in a restaurant, a
dry cleaner, of college, you know, whether you're in the
nonprofit sector or the political sector. We're in the energy
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business because, like our's current secretary, Chris Wright.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Says, energy is life right, and he's really it's a
profound and simple statement, but it is absolutely true. No
one can have a modern life of food or security,
or comfort or shelter without an energy And so that
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question now is before the minds of so many people
in America and around the world. That and that was
before the attack, you know, the war with Iran. So
we have a lot to talk about. But I wouldn't
be any place else. And I tell my friends, I said,
you're going back to Houston again.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I said, yes, I know.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I spend all week there learning as much as I can, meeting,
meeting people, and really so I can continue to help
shape the policies of this great country and the world
in something that's so important.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It is so important because one of our advisors, and
to me, I'm very grateful to have him a personal
advice or is Mike Howard. Howard Energy and all of
the stats reflect that there is a country on the
planet that is in energy poverty, that has a good outlook,
you know, in the way of they're not they're impoverished
or this is how this works. And so energy is
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the light, like Secretary Energy said, of all of us.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Absolutely, and it is the base of foundation of every
strong economy in the world. That's why we're in a
competitive race with China right now. That's another subject. We'll
come back to it. But energy and people are sort
of not people generally. The population of the United States
is waking up. Why because they're noticing in some parts
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of the country there are electricity bills going up. Now
that's not true in all parts of the country, but
in California, people we're playing very high electricity rates. In
parts of New England, particularly in the PGM territory, paying
high utility rates, and so people are thinking what is
going on, and they're realizing they know and one of
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the reasons it is a combination of heavy regulation and
lack of access of different forms of energy. So the
Northeast doesn't have enough pipelines gas pipelines.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Senator, That is because by many by their choice, oh choice, choice,
we're gonna say, we could Oh well no, no, get line.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
No, you're correct.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I don't mean because the gas industry didn't want to
send the pipelines. The gas industry tried to build the pipelines,
and it was stopping for the political short side, and
same thing for the for California. Now, to be fair
to both sides, I'm a Democrat, as you know. But
you know, but President Trump just stopped offshore wind, so
neither side can take the high ground on this. Democrats
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have unfortunately stopped some energy infrastructure by saying leave it
in the ground, we don't want it anymore.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
That was a mistake.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It drives up prices to consummers. And I hope the
Democratic Party will moderate and adjust, which I can see
they're already doing by listening to Cadby Hopeful from New
York By listening to the new Governor Spanberger from Virginia,
they're talking about energy, affordability, they're talking about all of
the above, and that is a very very good positive sign.
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And I would hope that President Trump would consider that, Yes,
offshore wind made me expensive, but if capital has already
been invested, and if people are willing to put their
capital up, then new was the government to tell them
not to, So, you know, we need it. So my
philosophy as chair of the Energy Committee, as a member
for eighteen years, and I was taught by some of
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the best guys in the Senate. Pete Diminici, who's a
great senator from New Mexico, he's deceased, Frank Murkowski, who's
still very much alive in Alaska, full of governor.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
He was a chair of my committee.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I learned so much from those two gentlemen. Alaska is
a very pro energy state, New Mexico, of course, Louisiana.
So I'm grateful and we have it's just a phenomenal
opportunity right now for America and your right.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Can we have.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Everything in the US. We have oil, we have gas,
we have hydro, we have winds, we have nuclear. Now
we need to advance our nuclear We have some of
the greatest labs in the world, you know, and under
Democratic and Republican administration, they've supported our national labs for innovation.
We have the finest capitalist system, you know. We invented
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it practically, and we we executed pretty you know, very
professionally for the most part. So I am very beeg excited.
But I do see some storm clouds, you know, ahead
of course, there always are, but I think it's a
moment for natural gas particularly, it's a moment for all
of the above, with natural gas being a base that
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you can count on the workforce of our energy economy.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I just love talking You're so informed, and you come
from the great state of Louisiana that was very energy
driven as well. But I want to switch gearson, talk
about something when you were in the Senate, the Gulf
of Mexico Energy Security Act, in which you were creditedly passing.
That was a landmark piece of legislation. What is the
current state of it and what role do you see
it's revenue sharing model plane in the future of the
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federal energy policy discussion.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Kim, thank you so much. It's been literally a life
passion and a life work. To simply say to any company,
any state, and the nation, if you are extracting resources
from a certain place, out of a lake, out of
an ocean, out.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Of a forest.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
You know, if you were cutting trees, extracting resources, using
them for good purposes, why can't you share those profits
with the people that live in the forest, with the
people that live on the coast. Why can't you share
It's a very simple motivating concept. And so what's happened
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is the federal government has for some reason failed to
adopt that policy when it comes to extracting oil and
gas out of the Gulf of Mexico the Golf of
America now many people call it, but for years, since
nineteen fifty, we've been drilling wells over forty thousand and
the federal government basically because it's federal waters, but it
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can't see access without a stal cooperation. You understand that
you can't fly a helicopter from Washington, DC and land
in the middle of the shelf platform in the gulf.
You have to fly from Homa, Louisiana, or you have
to fly from Beaumont, Texas, or you.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Have to fly from.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, I mean yes, I mean all of the launching,
the staging, everything that supports our offshore wonderful, amazing high
tech offshore industry comes from the clos areas in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi,
and Alabama, but primarily Louisiana and Texas.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
We generate because.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Of that war billions of dollars roughly anywhere from two
to twelve billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
A year for the federal treasury.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And you would think that the federal government would say
thank you for sending us this money. I mean, it's
coming from the companies that pay severns and royalties. The
word should be thank you for sending this this money,
and let us share it with the parishes and the
counties in Texas so their kids can go to better schools,
they can build levies of these they don't flood while
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they're building the platforms to help our country. So it's
been a passion of mine to get the federal government.
I've not been able to convince any president. I've spoken
to all of them, not Donald Trump yet, but I'm
playing to I've spoken to every vice president, I've talked
to every secretary of them, and they just look at
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me with the blank stare like, what are you talking about.
I'm saying, I'm talking about revenue sharing, the same thing
you do with New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexico. Every
well drilled in New Mexico on land, which is federal
land and the XCO they share fifty to fifty, so
the state keeps fifty percent and the federal government percent.
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That is what I would call a favre sharing. And
New Mexico uses its money for whatever it was. It
could provide free healthcare to everyone in New Mexico, it
could provide free college education to everyone in New Mexico.
I don't know how they spend their funding. If you
could look at it online, anyone could look it up
right now, and I'm sure it's on education, et.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Cetera, healthcare, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So, after arguments and many many please, we finally got
gomesa pass, which is the first step. It's not enough,
but it is a sharing.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So I was successful.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I had to literally fight both parties and the bureau
proceed to get it done. But after Katrina, people understood
what I was saying. Anyone underwater and the levees broke,
and finally people in Washington said, oh that, you know,
crazy Marylander. She's been talking about this. We need we
should listen to her. So they passed gomeson my bill,
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you know, with a lot of other people, but govern
Mexico intam security, but they capped us. They only give
us five hundred million a year. Now, that sounds like
a lot of money, but we split it because we
share better. Government might not, but we share. So we
give some of our money to Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama.
They give some of their money to the parishes and
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their counties. So once it kind of divides up, it's
not a huge amount to anyone, but it's a health
and my goal before I die is to get that
cap lifted and to get a true fifty percent revenue
share for.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
The Gulf Coast.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
We have to take a quick breakcare listening to the
Energy Mixed radio show and we'll be right back. And
we're back. You're listening to the Energy Mixed radio show. Well,
let's let's talk about you co authored also the Restore Act,
which focuses on the Gulf Coast recovery. Since you mentioned
it earlier, how do you envision the intersection between domestic
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energy production, environmental restoration, and you get on the axtainability
for these coastal regions today. They've been through a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
They've been through a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Well, this was another great, you know, part of my
legacy that I'm extremely proud of. And again I had
a lot of help from different members. But when the
bpospill happened, and I knew that the federal government was
going to levy a penalty on the companies that were responsible,
which is correct and which is right, Jallison, We've drilled
forty thousand wells and moved all from Mexico. Most have
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blown off without a hitge. This was a horrible accident.
It was preventable. There were absolutely you know, and you
know you've watched.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
The movie, we've all read the book.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
There studies there was a human era, which makes me
good movie look at the artificially eligence and how we're
getting more efficient to remove this, to remove this, to
remove and yes, if we had artificial intelligence, maybe that
deep water horizon never whatever would have happened, it would
shut there. It would have shut down. You're correct about that.
So there's a great application for AI offshore. But anyway,
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I knew the federal government was going to put on
a very big, huge penalty. So I went to the
leadership and said, if that penalty is assessed, the funding
should come back to the Gulf Coast where the injury occurred. Well, no, Mary,
that's not the way it works. And said, well what's
the way it works. I said, oh, well, the money
I'll just go to the general fund and we'll allocate
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it the way we normally do. I said, well, no,
that's not going to work for us, you know, So
I got the you know, I organized the Golf Coast legislators, bipartisan.
We filed a bill called the RESTOAC. We passed it,
and that money came back to the Gulf of Mexico
and it's been distributed to the five states, including they
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don't drill, but they were injured by of course, the
spill its their beaches. So we got all that money
back and over for the last fifteen years, it's been
about forty billion dollars that's come down in different changes
to Golf Coast states and communities, which has helped them
restore their their tourism, restore their infrastructure, hopefully make our
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Golf Coast more resilient. I'm on the board of the
Golf Research Council. They received some funding six hundred million dollars.
They're investing it in building the muscle along the Gulf
Coast for resilient students and people who are educated and
trained in resiliency, so that we can help every community
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large and small on the Golf Coast to just understand
their environment a little bit better, prepare for the storms, etc.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
That will come.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Building higher, stronger building codes, et cetera. But I'll tell
you I wanted to say one more thing about the
Gulf of Mexico. I mean, we are really a leader
in production of natural gas, and at this conference right now,
natural gas is having a huge moment because the demand
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for electricity is growing in the United States exponentially, not
just because of AI but because of on shoring of manufacturing.
America is a relatively safe place to invest. You can
get a good return on your dollar. If you have disputes,
you can go to court and be treated fairly. We
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are kind of the and of course in the war
now with the Mideast being really up in arms, this
is a great place for people to invest, and they
want to invest in natural gas. So it's on sharing
of manufacturing. It's the pool of AI. But our natural
gas infrastructure was not built for this, for this moment.
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It was built in the sort of the nineteen fifties
and sixties and seventies just to sort of connect industrial
sites to each other, to not built to take on
the added responsibility of helping to generate the electricity that
all of these companies need. So that's why I'm here
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to talk about, let's please in Washington, Democrats and Republicans
get together Hermit reform, get more oil and gas infrastructure
done all over the country, particularly in the West and
California in the northeast. But we needed everywhere build the
kind of natural gas infrastructure, and it's the more supply
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of natural gas pipelines and storage.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Oh yeah, because you have to have that. You just
can't have the drilling of natural gas. Which is great.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
We found natural gas, look at North Dakota. You know,
we have in the Appalachian which is amazing, in Ohio
and West Virginia, the Hainesville, the Permian, everything, but you
need pipelines to move it, and you need natural gas
pipelines as well as oil. And there are different pipelines
and then so it's but I'm very I'm optimistic because Naturalillize,
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which is a coalition that I'm here representing, I think
it has done an amazing job of taking this message
and speaking to Democratic leaders, members of the Democratic Party
who sometimes are anti fossil fuel, anti gas, was saying, hey,
gas is cleaner than coal, although we need our coal
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resources too to some degree, but when you displace coal
with natural gas, lower emissions, you provide the energy that
our country needs to grow and expand our farney.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
And we're making progress.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I mean, I really think that we're breaking through with
our message and it's rewarding because it's not just to
represent the industry, it's to really advocate for a stronger
future for our nation, more secure and more prosperous.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Which we will be speaking with you later on this afternoon.
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produce a show with you, specifically the case you really
truly have been a champ for a little how many things,
and I wanted to collaborate synerically so everyone knows the
work you're doing as a great humanitarian. We need more
elected officials in office that go in there to make
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a difference in the world.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
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And we're back. You're listening to the Energy Mixed radio show.
Let's talk about your work. Also, that include is from
American Energy Alliance out Everything considering right now, what is
the current geopolitical challenges and opportunities surrounding energy security and
how can legislative alliances alter the position of the US
and its murders. That's probably a lot of new.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Well it's a lot, but I tell you, I'll try
to make it short and kind of a fun story
because it's really truly like an amazing story. You know,
the country of Israel is right up against the sea.
They're surrounded by neighbors that don't like them very well,
although there are some neighbors that are viking them better,
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like Jordan, but in Force Aaron, it's, oh, you know,
just horrible towards Israel.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
One of Israel's.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Biggest problems they had no source of energy. Now you
think about that, there's a joke this as Moses went
all over you know, the desert and ended up in
a place where there was no ear since forty years
he wandered but found no oil in Bath. It's kind
of a joke, but it's not funny because Israel had
no source of their own. Well, there was a geologist
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that worked for Shell for many years and then he
went to Noble Energy and.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Discovered the one of the largest gas.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Finds in the Mediterranean, right off the coast of Israel.
When I was chair of the committee, when I heard
about this, I called them up and said, I want
to be so supportive. I want to do everything I
can to be helpful because this is a game changer
for Israel's national security. If they can have their own
source of energy, just think about it. They don't have
to depend on neighbors that are sometimes downright hostile and
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so over the course, and this is all on public record,
it's all understood. It's the you know, Tomorrow Field, the
Levia than Field. Israel and its partners have developed two
of the greatest gas fields in the eastern Mediterranean. So
now Israel is one hundred percent completely energy independent, and
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they're selling and sending their gas to Jordan. So it
helps Jordan to be if the relationship, the relationship, it builds,
you know, when you have energy and you're willing to
share it, which is a word I wish America could
understand more.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Share share.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's what we learn in kindergarten. We just don't do it.
So if they share their resources, it makes that whole region,
you know, more stable. Now there run's a whole other issue,
and I don't want to spend our time, at least
this morning, speaking about it. But I so I passed
this act that would set up a consortium. It was
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only a few million dollars, but it would come from
the federal government to support ongoing work at the universities
in Israel and the universities in America. Tulane University stepped
up some of the universities in Israel to exchange and
help Israel to develop their gas resources. And the funniest
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thing was when I traveled there and landed in Israel
and then flew out my helicopter to the to the platform.
All of my constituents were there. They were all from
home Louisiana, and they said, Senator, what are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I said, well, what are you guys doing here? They said, hell,
we're building.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
We're building out the field because that's people. That's what
people in Louisiana and Texas and offshore do. We go
all over the world and help everyone build their offshore rigs.
We know how to do it like great, build them safely.
So I really feel so special that Louisiana and I
don't think most people in Louisiana even know this, but
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we helped Israel to become energy independent. And then they're
because they were using expensive, dirty oil from people who
were not their friends. Now they use clean gass of
their own, and they reduced emissions the equivalent of taking
like fourteen fourteen million cars off the road fourteen thousand
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cars off the road every year. So Israel reduced its
emissions became a much more strategic partner and now has
a source of gas for themselves. But really, I'm very,
very proud of that. But you know, that's what the
oil and gas industry, even though they get battered and
beaten by some left wing you know, more liberal you
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know voices. It's really a shame because the industry can
be not only helpful in helping to continue to provide
the energy for our economy. But most people at SARAH,
not everyone, but most, like ninety percent of these companies
are leaning into lower carbon technologies. You know, they want
to be part of a solution. They want to address
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the climate challenges, but they want to do it in
a practical way that pays dividends and returns for the
capital that people have invested in their companies.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
That's our system.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
We are not a charity. We are a business and
you have to make let Chris Wright says, these things pencil.
So I just, you know, I just wish more people
in Washington could come here and spend some time. Many
administration folks come, even when it was Biden, they came,
when it was Obama, they came, when it's Trump, they came.
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But more members of Congress could come and really walk
these halls and see the great innovation and goodwill and
and compromise in talking and dialogue that's going on here
between clean energy folks the traditional energy folks. How we
can move together and lead this world that is desperate
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for good, honest leadership.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Absolutely, we have to take a quick break. You're listening
to the Energy Mixed Radio show, and we'll be right back.
And we're back. You're listening to the Energy Mixed Radio Show.
You know, every year that I've been here, there's always
the protesters out there, and I believe that in the
greatest country, the United States, and our right to protest peacefully.
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But at the same time, these people wish they could
understand when you come and you want to do these things,
Understand these you know, poster warts, these signs, the technology
of talking to the media, these cameras. Everything is powered
in some way by the conference, your petitioning, and and
you know you drove, you're in a car, Senator, you
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know you were wearing makeup and you're wearing you know,
any shoes that have rubber on them, and they just
seem to completely miss it. But that's another story. Since
you I've already covered since you've last left the Senate.
You are now serving on the board of uh ever Averagy.
We do the utility in Missouri, and well, I'm very excited.
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I've been on several corporate boards and this is kind
of my favorite because it's it's such an exciting and
sometimes utilities in the past have been oh ho, boring, boring,
a very sexy, very sex very yet because that's what.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I was, you know, very attractive.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
You know, because utilities, whether it's energy in Louisiana or
Center Point in Texas or Evergy and Missouri and Wisconsin,
the data centers are coming to them and they're saying,
you know, we need land yes, and we need water yes,
but what we really need is power. Can you get
it to us? And so we're seeing the growth and
our particular company, which is a public company, beautifully run company.
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Dave Campbell is our CEO and he is going to
be president of EEI, and so we're growing and expanding
and meeting the moment with wind solar assets. And this
isn't a more conservative area Kansas, Missouri, but our people there,
they are Republican states at the moment in the Senate understand.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
The need for solar, for wind, for gas.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You know, we're even exploring tentatively some maybe nuclear assets.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Down the road.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But you know, we're meeting the moment. We've landed i
think five data centers in Missouri and the Kansas area,
which is going to help lift that's such an important
part of our heartland. So I've spent time on this
board at averagey. I'm also on the Gulf Coast Research Board,
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which is out kating funding as I said, for resiliency
in the Gulf Coast.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
One of my favorite though.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Clients is again Natural Allies, which is a coalition that
I helped to form with the leadership of Alan Armstrong,
who today is getting a nod to be a new
United States Center. So Alan Armstrong the CEO of and
I'll announce it here. You know, the CEO, long standing
CEO of Williams and now the chairman of the Board
(30:28):
of Williams, was just tapped by Governor Stick and President Trump.
It's Governor Stick's appointment to be appointed to the United
States Senate to fill the unexpired term of Mark Wayne Mullin,
who was just voted out of the Senate last night,
to be the new Secretary of Homeland Security. So we
(30:49):
so everyone in Sarah we is so excited about Alan
Armstrong because everyone, I mean so many people know because
he was a great leader for the American Patrolier Council.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
He was here last year, absolutely, and he's.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Been such a great advocate for natural gas and all
of the above energy strategy for our nation. So he's
respected by.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
The right, the left, the center, and.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
He's knowledgeable and passionate. If you think you and I
are passionate, you should get Alan Lstrong, you know, one
year to talk about, you know, his vision for natural gas,
working with renewables to lead the way or in a
country moving forward.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
So that keeps me busy.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I'm a senior advisor for van Ness Felman, where a
you know, fairly large, you know, one hundred to one
hundred and twenty five lawyers, mostly in DC, Seattle, spread
across the country. We have many clients, many of them
are here, and we do advisory work on energy in
an environment. So when I left the Senate, Kim, I
(31:59):
didn't go are and I knew that this is the
work I wanted to do. And it's been a joy.
It's frustrating, but it's been a Jewels Act.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
But it's either I've noticed it's either in your luck
it's not. I've never worked today in it, but I
love reporting on it. They're talking about it to just
understand it better, I mean, and the people they need
all amazingly talented, educated, smart, really neating global. Yeah, just
get the whole picture. Well, Senator, I want to say
(32:30):
thank you very much for stopping in today giving us
some breaking news as well as just talking to us
about what it what might looks like after all grand
looking in while you Senate, great humanities period. Thank you
for your work and we are here as a resource.
Please for me to stop bing, and if it keeps
you back from this afternoon, we'd love.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
You having Thank you so much, it was a pleasure
and really appreciate you covering so many you know, I
appreciate the accomplishments that I was able to work with
so many others to accomplish in the Senate and then
continuing this good work again trying to help build the
great policy that our nation meets. My Energy said, thank
you so much.
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Speaker 2 (36:12):
And Welcome back to the Energy Mix radio show. We
are live here at Sarah Wee. I'm excited to introduce
my next guest, Rich Trainer, who is the executive director
of the Partnerships to Address Global Admissions better known as
the HATE, an advocacy group dedicated to advancing sensible energy
and climate policy. He's here to discuss credible issues from
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co reading reform, which we talked a lot about and
it's profound impact on America's energy future. Chris, Welcome back
to the show.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Keim, thank you so much for having me. Happy to
be here.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, let's start with, we're both here, Sarah we I
don't know about you, but every year it's just packed
with stuff that like you bought you right headn't the
curved because you were here the year before, And then
you get here and you're like, oh heck, everything is
changed again, and now we have new technology, new things emerging,
like a been an interview and it was shocking to me.
This is we're going from O lithium battery and to
(37:04):
this UI on battery. So that was a lot on
my radar. And that's just why I love Sarah. So
how is your Sarah Week going?
Speaker 7 (37:13):
Again?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
We're only on day two.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
Totally on day two. It's hard to believe we're only
on day two. So much gets packed into every single day.
But so far it's been great. Seen many people. I
see more people here at Houston, at Sarah Weeg that
I work two blocks away from in Washington, d C.
Then I see them in d C. So it's always
great to be here in Houston. And it's a moment
when you know, the whole industry comes together in one
(37:36):
place and so a lot get done.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So you're in d C, you come here? Is it more?
Do you come here? To give you a b or to
make those connections again and reconnect and once you haven't
been able to locate find and you're making the networking Warren,
is it really you come here to really see what
else is patting eggs that printwork into what your fundamental
mishou is.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
Yeah. Well, interestingly, I feel like there's been an ever
increasing role and involvement in policy makers at zero Week.
That probably was not the case, you know, five or
ten years ago. It really began, at least as I
saw it, with Russia's an invasion of Ukraine and the
way that the conversations here at zero really changed to
(38:18):
talk about the role that entergy plays and geopolitics. Geopolitics
had always been part of the conversation, but never before
had it been so real in terms of you know,
allies and support for friends around the world. And now
we find ourselves back at zero Week with another war.
You know, the straight or horror moves has closed, and
(38:39):
so you really really never know what kind of issues
are going to be coming up here. But it's a
great place to come in order to both help make
sure that the policy makers are educated and making sure
that the policymakers are learning from the industry, and it's
a two way street.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
You know. You bring up a good point, Chris, because
most people don't really think when an elected of visual
is elected, we could be electing a great ductor or
very agendas, maybe a landman. They don't necessarily have the exhortise.
They need to understand what is truly a very complicated
but yet dynamic energy system that you know, helps the globe.
(39:19):
And thank god, we have associations that are there to
kind of get them up to speed before they're trying
to implement policies. They need to understand health sects everybody.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
That's exactly right. Yeah, we we often you know, well
we talk about lobbying in DC like it's a four
letter or a book. Really, if it's not for the
education that happens of these members of Congress, how can
make informed decisions. And every member of Congress has just
a handful of young staffers who have to handle an
(39:50):
unlimited scope of issues, you know, and not every office
has an expert on LNG cargoes and shipping veins, or
on thane emission intensities, or on just understanding the way
molecules move around the United States infrastructure. And so if
we're not doing the job of showing up and helping
(40:11):
teach those policymakers what's important, then it's how can they
possibly make the right decisions for us when it comes
time to vote.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Absolutely well, you know, education is the key on anything,
especially if you're going to be making policy. So let's
talk about the primary mission of the Partnerships of Addressing
Global Admission, better known as Page and how do the
issues of energy permitting reform fit into that mission?
Speaker 7 (40:38):
Sure? Yeah, and Page where our members are dedicated to
responsibly producing natural gas, and that means not only providing
us reliable and affordable natural gas, but it also means
ever a cleaner natural gas. And so the Partnership to
Address Global Missions is based on one very simple and
fundamental truth of the United States energy system, which is
(41:02):
the vast majority of our emissions reductions in the energy space,
it simply came from natural gas replacing ple and around
the world every year we have more all that's burned
for electricity, for heat, for industrial processes. The greatest single
source of methane emissions are Chinese coal mines, and so
(41:26):
the same thing that has brought the United States its
greatest emissions reduction stimply fuel switching from VOLTA natural gas
is an opportunity, an endless opportunity around the world. To
the extent that the United States has massive natural gas reserves,
especially low methane intensity natural gas reserves from companies like
EQT and operators in the Marcellus, they can put that
(41:50):
gas on the water displaced coal, and as Toby Rice
often says, it could become the greatest decarbonization tool in
many See.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
That's what I'm talking about. It's the kind of stuff
that comes out of Sarah b It's just impressive. Let's
talk about or let's wit chears and talk about national security,
energy independence perspective. My show followers, the listeners, we talk
a lot about mingan reform. I caught up with Secretary
(42:25):
Wright at when Trump came to visit the Port of
Corpus Prestigia, and I asked him point point, how possible
in your mind, Secretary Energy, are we going to get
energy reformed? Now? We're going to do it? This is
the times. His answer was pretty much closed. That's a
very tricky subject. We hope to I don't know if
(42:47):
we can. It's a very complicated situation. But we know
we have to get avent and time. Time is a
essence absolutely. So that being said, you know how critical
is permani reform right now? An expansion of the American erity, uh,
you know, infrastructure and what are you all doing to
really help push just a long yeah, we all really
(43:09):
engage now.
Speaker 7 (43:09):
Really is as you said, the critical time for us, Well,
that was Secretary permitting reform, right and we're going to
do everything we can to make that decision as easy
as possible for him. When it comes to prioritizing and
pushing permitting reform. You know, we may not permitting reform,
may not be able to resolve the immediate energy crisis
(43:30):
caused by the closing the straight.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Up stability the climate.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
And it allows us and it allows us to avoid
that is your next time, you know, And so you
know there's a lot we can be doing now to help,
you know, on affordability pieces and to deal with the
energy crisis. But all roads lead back to permitting reform
and energy infrastructure. Because fundamentally prices are higher than they
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need to be. Energy security is less readily available than
it needs to be at times when the molecules and
electrons we produce cannot get to the markets where they're needed.
And it's really as simplest that and so per and
reform will allow us to get molecules and electrons from
the places they're produced effectively and efficiently to the places.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Where they're Chris, thank you for stopping by the Energy
Mixed Radio Show remotely year. I hope you're enjoying, Sarah Lee.
Speaker 7 (44:21):
I am, thank you, Kim. It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome back to the Energy Mix Radio Today we have
a true icon of American politics and energy policy joining.
We are delighted to welcome former US Senator Mary Lander.
During her three terms in Senate from nineteen ninety seven
to twenty fifteen, Senator Landrew was a tireless and often
bipartisan advocate for her home state of Louisiana and for
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a comprehensive national energy policy. Most notably, she served as
the chair the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, a
pivotal role that shaped much of her any legislation as
we see today, and I'm excited to do a deep
dive with her on her policy legacy and her current
perspective on energy and the.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Let's get started.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Welcome to the Energy Mixed Radio Shows.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Thank you, Kim.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You've been very busy these last few days, but of
course he wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
This is the sort of center.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Of the universe for energy in the world. That's gotten
to be one of the what largest conferences and most
influential Sarah Week right here in Houston, the energy capital.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Of the world.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, Senator, let me ask you a question on that
sings we're bringing up. Why we're here. I believe this
is a lot of future policy legislators, technologies being born.
This is where everything kind of comes together, where the
road meets the rubbery, you can pretty much understand where
the energy sector is going absolutely. I mean that's why
I've come every year for the last five years. And
(01:44):
I wish I would have come twenty years ago. I
honestly didn't know about or realize how significant Central Week was.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Dan Yerton started this, I think forty years ago, from
visionary a visionary There were one hundred people at the
first meeting.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Forty years of that.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Now there are over ten thousand, eighty five countries represented.
But it is its started as sort of oil and gas,
you know, discussions between CEOs and companies about you know,
the fuel, et cetera, and the energy of our country.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
But it is it's.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Expanded way beyond you know, our traditional and conventional resources
So we have our nuclear folks were here. We have fusion,
which is an exciting new technology. We have wind, we
have solar, we have advanced batteries. We have finance folks
here that are putting their money in their capital, you know,
(02:39):
behind the effort. It's really grown to be exactly what
you just said, if you are in the energy business.
And let me just say this, I hope it's getting
very clear to everyone. Whether you're in a restaurant, a
dry cleaner, of college, you know, whether you're in the
nonprofit sector or the political sector. We're in the energy
(03:00):
business because, like our's current secretary, Chris Wright.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Says, energy is life right, and he's really it's a
profound and simple statement, but it is absolutely true. No
one can have a modern life of food or security,
or comfort or shelter without an energy And so that
(03:26):
question now is before the minds of so many people
in America and around the world. That and that was
before the attack, you know, the war with Iran. So
we have a lot to talk about. But I wouldn't
be any place else. And I tell my friends, I said,
you're going back to Houston again.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I said, yes, I know.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I spend all week there learning as much as I can, meeting,
meeting people, and really so I can continue to help
shape the policies of this great country and the world
in something that's so important.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It is so important because one of our advisors, and
to me, I'm very grateful to have him a personal
advice or is Mike Howard. Howard Energy and all of
the stats reflect that there is a country on the
planet that is in energy poverty, that has a good outlook,
you know, in the way of they're not they're impoverished
or this is how this works. And so energy is
(04:17):
the light, like Secretary Energy said, of all of us.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Absolutely, and it is the base of foundation of every
strong economy in the world. That's why we're in a
competitive race with China right now. That's another subject. We'll
come back to it. But energy and people are sort
of not people generally. The population of the United States
is waking up. Why because they're noticing in some parts
(04:41):
of the country there are electricity bills going up. Now
that's not true in all parts of the country, but
in California, people we're playing very high electricity rates. In
parts of New England, particularly in the PGM territory, paying
high utility rates, and so people are thinking what is
going on, and they're realizing they know and one of
(05:02):
the reasons it is a combination of heavy regulation and
lack of access of different forms of energy. So the
Northeast doesn't have enough pipelines gas pipelines.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Senator, That is because by many by their choice, oh choice, choice,
we're gonna say, we could Oh well no, no, get line.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
No, you're correct.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I don't mean because the gas industry didn't want to
send the pipelines. The gas industry tried to build the pipelines,
and it was stopping for the political short side, and
same thing for the for California. Now, to be fair
to both sides, I'm a Democrat, as you know. But
you know, but President Trump just stopped offshore wind, so
neither side can take the high ground on this. Democrats
(05:45):
have unfortunately stopped some energy infrastructure by saying leave it
in the ground, we don't want it anymore.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
That was a mistake.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It drives up prices to consummers. And I hope the
Democratic Party will moderate and adjust, which I can see
they're already doing by listening to Cadby Hopeful from New
York By listening to the new Governor Spanberger from Virginia,
they're talking about energy, affordability, they're talking about all of
the above, and that is a very very good positive sign.
(06:18):
And I would hope that President Trump would consider that, Yes,
offshore wind made me expensive, but if capital has already
been invested, and if people are willing to put their
capital up, then new was the government to tell them
not to, So, you know, we need it. So my
philosophy as chair of the Energy Committee, as a member
for eighteen years, and I was taught by some of
(06:39):
the best guys in the Senate. Pete Diminici, who's a
great senator from New Mexico, he's deceased, Frank Murkowski, who's
still very much alive in Alaska, full of governor.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
He was a chair of my committee.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I learned so much from those two gentlemen. Alaska is
a very pro energy state, New Mexico, of course, Louisiana.
So I'm grateful and we have it's just a phenomenal
opportunity right now for America and your right.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Can we have.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Everything in the US. We have oil, we have gas,
we have hydro, we have winds, we have nuclear. Now
we need to advance our nuclear We have some of
the greatest labs in the world, you know, and under
Democratic and Republican administration, they've supported our national labs for innovation.
We have the finest capitalist system, you know. We invented
(07:29):
it practically, and we we executed pretty you know, very
professionally for the most part. So I am very beeg excited.
But I do see some storm clouds, you know, ahead
of course, there always are, but I think it's a
moment for natural gas particularly, it's a moment for all
of the above, with natural gas being a base that
(07:52):
you can count on the workforce of our energy economy.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I just love talking You're so informed, and you come
from the great state of Louisiana that was very energy
driven as well. But I want to switch gearson, talk
about something when you were in the Senate, the Gulf
of Mexico Energy Security Act, in which you were creditedly passing.
That was a landmark piece of legislation. What is the
current state of it and what role do you see
it's revenue sharing model plane in the future of the
(08:20):
federal energy policy discussion.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Kim, thank you so much. It's been literally a life
passion and a life work. To simply say to any company,
any state, and the nation, if you are extracting resources
from a certain place, out of a lake, out of
an ocean, out.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Of a forest.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
You know, if you were cutting trees, extracting resources, using
them for good purposes, why can't you share those profits
with the people that live in the forest, with the
people that live on the coast. Why can't you share
It's a very simple motivating concept. And so what's happened
(09:05):
is the federal government has for some reason failed to
adopt that policy when it comes to extracting oil and
gas out of the Gulf of Mexico the Golf of
America now many people call it, but for years, since
nineteen fifty, we've been drilling wells over forty thousand and
the federal government basically because it's federal waters, but it
(09:27):
can't see access without a stal cooperation. You understand that
you can't fly a helicopter from Washington, DC and land
in the middle of the shelf platform in the gulf.
You have to fly from Homa, Louisiana, or you have
to fly from Beaumont, Texas, or you.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Have to fly from.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, I mean yes, I mean all of the launching,
the staging, everything that supports our offshore wonderful, amazing high
tech offshore industry comes from the clos areas in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi,
and Alabama, but primarily Louisiana and Texas.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
We generate because.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Of that war billions of dollars roughly anywhere from two
to twelve billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
A year for the federal treasury.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And you would think that the federal government would say
thank you for sending us this money. I mean, it's
coming from the companies that pay severns and royalties. The
word should be thank you for sending this this money,
and let us share it with the parishes and the
counties in Texas so their kids can go to better schools,
they can build levies of these they don't flood while
(10:39):
they're building the platforms to help our country. So it's
been a passion of mine to get the federal government.
I've not been able to convince any president. I've spoken
to all of them, not Donald Trump yet, but I'm
playing to I've spoken to every vice president, I've talked
to every secretary of them, and they just look at
(10:59):
me with the blank stare like, what are you talking about.
I'm saying, I'm talking about revenue sharing, the same thing
you do with New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexico. Every
well drilled in New Mexico on land, which is federal
land and the XCO they share fifty to fifty, so
the state keeps fifty percent and the federal government percent.
(11:20):
That is what I would call a favre sharing. And
New Mexico uses its money for whatever it was. It
could provide free healthcare to everyone in New Mexico, it
could provide free college education to everyone in New Mexico.
I don't know how they spend their funding. If you
could look at it online, anyone could look it up
right now, and I'm sure it's on education, et.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Cetera, healthcare, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
So, after arguments and many many please, we finally got
gomesa pass, which is the first step. It's not enough,
but it is a sharing.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So I was successful.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I had to literally fight both parties and the bureau
proceed to get it done. But after Katrina, people understood
what I was saying. Anyone underwater and the levees broke,
and finally people in Washington said, oh that, you know,
crazy Marylander. She's been talking about this. We need we
should listen to her. So they passed gomeson my bill,
(12:19):
you know, with a lot of other people, but govern
Mexico intam security, but they capped us. They only give
us five hundred million a year. Now, that sounds like
a lot of money, but we split it because we
share better. Government might not, but we share. So we
give some of our money to Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama.
They give some of their money to the parishes and
(12:40):
their counties. So once it kind of divides up, it's
not a huge amount to anyone, but it's a health
and my goal before I die is to get that
cap lifted and to get a true fifty percent revenue
share for.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
The Gulf Coast.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
We have to take a quick breakcare listening to the
Energy Mixed radio show and we'll be right back. And
we're back. You're listening to the Energy Mixed radio show. Well,
let's let's talk about you co authored also the Restore Act,
which focuses on the Gulf Coast recovery. Since you mentioned
it earlier, how do you envision the intersection between domestic
(13:16):
energy production, environmental restoration, and you get on the axtainability
for these coastal regions today. They've been through a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
They've been through a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Well, this was another great, you know, part of my
legacy that I'm extremely proud of. And again I had
a lot of help from different members. But when the
bpospill happened, and I knew that the federal government was
going to levy a penalty on the companies that were responsible,
which is correct and which is right, Jallison, We've drilled
forty thousand wells and moved all from Mexico. Most have
(13:47):
blown off without a hitge. This was a horrible accident.
It was preventable. There were absolutely you know, and you
know you've watched.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
The movie, we've all read the book.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
There studies there was a human era, which makes me
good movie look at the artificially eligence and how we're
getting more efficient to remove this, to remove this, to
remove and yes, if we had artificial intelligence, maybe that
deep water horizon never whatever would have happened, it would
shut there. It would have shut down. You're correct about that.
So there's a great application for AI offshore. But anyway,
(14:20):
I knew the federal government was going to put on
a very big, huge penalty. So I went to the
leadership and said, if that penalty is assessed, the funding
should come back to the Gulf Coast where the injury occurred. Well, no, Mary,
that's not the way it works. And said, well what's
the way it works. I said, oh, well, the money
I'll just go to the general fund and we'll allocate
(14:40):
it the way we normally do. I said, well, no,
that's not going to work for us, you know, So
I got the you know, I organized the Golf Coast legislators, bipartisan.
We filed a bill called the RESTOAC. We passed it,
and that money came back to the Gulf of Mexico
and it's been distributed to the five states, including they
(15:00):
don't drill, but they were injured by of course, the
spill its their beaches. So we got all that money
back and over for the last fifteen years, it's been
about forty billion dollars that's come down in different changes
to Golf Coast states and communities, which has helped them
restore their their tourism, restore their infrastructure, hopefully make our
(15:24):
Golf Coast more resilient. I'm on the board of the
Golf Research Council. They received some funding six hundred million dollars.
They're investing it in building the muscle along the Gulf
Coast for resilient students and people who are educated and
trained in resiliency, so that we can help every community
(15:46):
large and small on the Golf Coast to just understand
their environment a little bit better, prepare for the storms, etc.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
That will come.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Building higher, stronger building codes, et cetera. But I'll tell
you I wanted to say one more thing about the
Gulf of Mexico. I mean, we are really a leader
in production of natural gas, and at this conference right now,
natural gas is having a huge moment because the demand
(16:16):
for electricity is growing in the United States exponentially, not
just because of AI but because of on shoring of manufacturing.
America is a relatively safe place to invest. You can
get a good return on your dollar. If you have disputes,
you can go to court and be treated fairly. We
(16:38):
are kind of the and of course in the war
now with the Mideast being really up in arms, this
is a great place for people to invest, and they
want to invest in natural gas. So it's on sharing
of manufacturing. It's the pool of AI. But our natural
gas infrastructure was not built for this, for this moment.
(17:01):
It was built in the sort of the nineteen fifties
and sixties and seventies just to sort of connect industrial
sites to each other, to not built to take on
the added responsibility of helping to generate the electricity that
all of these companies need. So that's why I'm here
(17:23):
to talk about, let's please in Washington, Democrats and Republicans
get together Hermit reform, get more oil and gas infrastructure
done all over the country, particularly in the West and
California in the northeast. But we needed everywhere build the
kind of natural gas infrastructure, and it's the more supply
(17:45):
of natural gas pipelines and storage.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Oh yeah, because you have to have that. You just
can't have the drilling of natural gas. Which is great.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
We found natural gas, look at North Dakota. You know,
we have in the Appalachian which is amazing, in Ohio
and West Virginia, the Hainesville, the Permian, everything, but you
need pipelines to move it, and you need natural gas
pipelines as well as oil. And there are different pipelines
and then so it's but I'm very I'm optimistic because Naturalillize,
(18:21):
which is a coalition that I'm here representing, I think
it has done an amazing job of taking this message
and speaking to Democratic leaders, members of the Democratic Party
who sometimes are anti fossil fuel, anti gas, was saying, hey,
gas is cleaner than coal, although we need our coal
(18:42):
resources too to some degree, but when you displace coal
with natural gas, lower emissions, you provide the energy that
our country needs to grow and expand our farney.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
And we're making progress.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I mean, I really think that we're breaking through with
our message and it's rewarding because it's not just to
represent the industry, it's to really advocate for a stronger
future for our nation, more secure and more prosperous.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Which we will be speaking with you later on this afternoon.
A fabulous that are joining us. I really wanted to
produce a show with you, specifically the case you really
truly have been a champ for a little how many things,
and I wanted to collaborate synerically so everyone knows the
work you're doing as a great humanitarian. We need more
elected officials in office that go in there to make
(19:37):
a difference in the world.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
We have to take a quick breakcare listening to the
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Speaker 2 (21:22):
And we're back. You're listening to the Energy Mixed radio show.
Let's talk about your work. Also, that include is from
American Energy Alliance out Everything considering right now, what is
the current geopolitical challenges and opportunities surrounding energy security and
how can legislative alliances alter the position of the US
and its murders. That's probably a lot of new.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Well it's a lot, but I tell you, I'll try
to make it short and kind of a fun story
because it's really truly like an amazing story. You know,
the country of Israel is right up against the sea.
They're surrounded by neighbors that don't like them very well,
although there are some neighbors that are viking them better,
(22:04):
like Jordan, but in Force Aaron, it's, oh, you know,
just horrible towards Israel.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
One of Israel's.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Biggest problems they had no source of energy. Now you
think about that, there's a joke this as Moses went
all over you know, the desert and ended up in
a place where there was no ear since forty years
he wandered but found no oil in Bath. It's kind
of a joke, but it's not funny because Israel had
no source of their own. Well, there was a geologist
(22:35):
that worked for Shell for many years and then he
went to Noble Energy and.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Discovered the one of the largest gas.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Finds in the Mediterranean, right off the coast of Israel.
When I was chair of the committee, when I heard
about this, I called them up and said, I want
to be so supportive. I want to do everything I
can to be helpful because this is a game changer
for Israel's national security. If they can have their own
source of energy, just think about it. They don't have
to depend on neighbors that are sometimes downright hostile and
(23:08):
so over the course, and this is all on public record,
it's all understood. It's the you know, Tomorrow Field, the
Levia than Field. Israel and its partners have developed two
of the greatest gas fields in the eastern Mediterranean. So
now Israel is one hundred percent completely energy independent, and
(23:28):
they're selling and sending their gas to Jordan. So it
helps Jordan to be if the relationship, the relationship, it builds,
you know, when you have energy and you're willing to
share it, which is a word I wish America could
understand more.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Share share.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's what we learn in kindergarten. We just don't do it.
So if they share their resources, it makes that whole region,
you know, more stable. Now there run's a whole other issue,
and I don't want to spend our time, at least
this morning, speaking about it. But I so I passed
this act that would set up a consortium. It was
(24:06):
only a few million dollars, but it would come from
the federal government to support ongoing work at the universities
in Israel and the universities in America. Tulane University stepped
up some of the universities in Israel to exchange and
help Israel to develop their gas resources. And the funniest
(24:28):
thing was when I traveled there and landed in Israel
and then flew out my helicopter to the to the platform.
All of my constituents were there. They were all from
home Louisiana, and they said, Senator, what are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I said, well, what are you guys doing here? They said, hell,
we're building.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
We're building out the field because that's people. That's what
people in Louisiana and Texas and offshore do. We go
all over the world and help everyone build their offshore rigs.
We know how to do it like great, build them safely.
So I really feel so special that Louisiana and I
don't think most people in Louisiana even know this, but
(25:06):
we helped Israel to become energy independent. And then they're
because they were using expensive, dirty oil from people who
were not their friends. Now they use clean gass of
their own, and they reduced emissions the equivalent of taking
like fourteen fourteen million cars off the road fourteen thousand
(25:29):
cars off the road every year. So Israel reduced its
emissions became a much more strategic partner and now has
a source of gas for themselves. But really, I'm very,
very proud of that. But you know, that's what the
oil and gas industry, even though they get battered and
beaten by some left wing you know, more liberal you
(25:52):
know voices. It's really a shame because the industry can
be not only helpful in helping to continue to provide
the energy for our economy. But most people at SARAH,
not everyone, but most, like ninety percent of these companies
are leaning into lower carbon technologies. You know, they want
to be part of a solution. They want to address
(26:14):
the climate challenges, but they want to do it in
a practical way that pays dividends and returns for the
capital that people have invested in their companies.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
That's our system.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
We are not a charity. We are a business and
you have to make let Chris Wright says, these things pencil.
So I just, you know, I just wish more people
in Washington could come here and spend some time. Many
administration folks come, even when it was Biden, they came,
when it was Obama, they came, when it's Trump, they came.
(26:47):
But more members of Congress could come and really walk
these halls and see the great innovation and goodwill and
and compromise in talking and dialogue that's going on here
between clean energy folks the traditional energy folks. How we
can move together and lead this world that is desperate
(27:09):
for good, honest leadership.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Absolutely, we have to take a quick break. You're listening
to the Energy Mixed Radio show, and we'll be right back.
And we're back. You're listening to the Energy Mixed Radio Show.
You know, every year that I've been here, there's always
the protesters out there, and I believe that in the
greatest country, the United States, and our right to protest peacefully.
(27:36):
But at the same time, these people wish they could
understand when you come and you want to do these things,
Understand these you know, poster warts, these signs, the technology
of talking to the media, these cameras. Everything is powered
in some way by the conference, your petitioning, and and
you know you drove, you're in a car, Senator, you
(27:58):
know you were wearing makeup and you're wearing you know,
any shoes that have rubber on them, and they just
seem to completely miss it. But that's another story. Since
you I've already covered since you've last left the Senate.
You are now serving on the board of uh ever Averagy.
We do the utility in Missouri, and well, I'm very excited.
(28:21):
I've been on several corporate boards and this is kind
of my favorite because it's it's such an exciting and
sometimes utilities in the past have been oh ho, boring, boring,
a very sexy, very sex very yet because that's what.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I was, you know, very attractive.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
You know, because utilities, whether it's energy in Louisiana or
Center Point in Texas or Evergy and Missouri and Wisconsin,
the data centers are coming to them and they're saying,
you know, we need land yes, and we need water yes,
but what we really need is power. Can you get
it to us? And so we're seeing the growth and
our particular company, which is a public company, beautifully run company.
(29:03):
Dave Campbell is our CEO and he is going to
be president of EEI, and so we're growing and expanding
and meeting the moment with wind solar assets. And this
isn't a more conservative area Kansas, Missouri, but our people there,
they are Republican states at the moment in the Senate understand.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
The need for solar, for wind, for gas.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You know, we're even exploring tentatively some maybe nuclear assets.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Down the road.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
But you know, we're meeting the moment. We've landed i
think five data centers in Missouri and the Kansas area,
which is going to help lift that's such an important
part of our heartland. So I've spent time on this
board at averagey. I'm also on the Gulf Coast Research Board,
(29:59):
which is out kating funding as I said, for resiliency
in the Gulf Coast.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
One of my favorite though.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Clients is again Natural Allies, which is a coalition that
I helped to form with the leadership of Alan Armstrong,
who today is getting a nod to be a new
United States Center. So Alan Armstrong the CEO of and
I'll announce it here. You know, the CEO, long standing
CEO of Williams and now the chairman of the Board
(30:28):
of Williams, was just tapped by Governor Stick and President Trump.
It's Governor Stick's appointment to be appointed to the United
States Senate to fill the unexpired term of Mark Wayne Mullin,
who was just voted out of the Senate last night,
to be the new Secretary of Homeland Security. So we
(30:49):
so everyone in Sarah we is so excited about Alan
Armstrong because everyone, I mean so many people know because
he was a great leader for the American Patrolier Council.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
He was here last year, absolutely, and he's.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Been such a great advocate for natural gas and all
of the above energy strategy for our nation. So he's
respected by.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
The right, the left, the center, and.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
He's knowledgeable and passionate. If you think you and I
are passionate, you should get Alan Lstrong, you know, one
year to talk about, you know, his vision for natural gas,
working with renewables to lead the way or in a
country moving forward.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
So that keeps me busy.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I'm a senior advisor for van Ness Felman, where a
you know, fairly large, you know, one hundred to one
hundred and twenty five lawyers, mostly in DC, Seattle, spread
across the country. We have many clients, many of them
are here, and we do advisory work on energy in
an environment. So when I left the Senate, Kim, I
(31:59):
didn't go are and I knew that this is the
work I wanted to do. And it's been a joy.
It's frustrating, but it's been a Jewels Act.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
But it's either I've noticed it's either in your luck
it's not. I've never worked today in it, but I
love reporting on it. They're talking about it to just
understand it better, I mean, and the people they need
all amazingly talented, educated, smart, really neating global. Yeah, just
get the whole picture. Well, Senator, I want to say
(32:30):
thank you very much for stopping in today giving us
some breaking news as well as just talking to us
about what it what might looks like after all grand
looking in while you Senate, great humanities period. Thank you
for your work and we are here as a resource.
Please for me to stop bing, and if it keeps
you back from this afternoon, we'd love.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
You having Thank you so much, it was a pleasure
and really appreciate you covering so many you know, I
appreciate the accomplishments that I was able to work with
so many others to accomplish in the Senate and then
continuing this good work again trying to help build the
great policy that our nation meets. My Energy said, thank
you so much.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
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Speaker 2 (36:12):
And Welcome back to the Energy Mix radio show. We
are live here at Sarah Wee. I'm excited to introduce
my next guest, Rich Trainer, who is the executive director
of the Partnerships to Address Global Admissions better known as
the HATE, an advocacy group dedicated to advancing sensible energy
and climate policy. He's here to discuss credible issues from
(36:32):
co reading reform, which we talked a lot about and
it's profound impact on America's energy future. Chris, Welcome back
to the show.
Speaker 7 (36:39):
Keim, thank you so much for having me. Happy to
be here.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, let's start with, we're both here, Sarah we I
don't know about you, but every year it's just packed
with stuff that like you bought you right headn't the
curved because you were here the year before, And then
you get here and you're like, oh heck, everything is
changed again, and now we have new technology, new things emerging,
like a been an interview and it was shocking to me.
This is we're going from O lithium battery and to
(37:04):
this UI on battery. So that was a lot on
my radar. And that's just why I love Sarah. So
how is your Sarah Week going?
Speaker 7 (37:13):
Again?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
We're only on day two.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
Totally on day two. It's hard to believe we're only
on day two. So much gets packed into every single day.
But so far it's been great. Seen many people. I
see more people here at Houston, at Sarah Weeg that
I work two blocks away from in Washington, d C.
Then I see them in d C. So it's always
great to be here in Houston. And it's a moment
when you know, the whole industry comes together in one
(37:36):
place and so a lot get done.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
So you're in d C, you come here? Is it more?
Do you come here? To give you a b or to
make those connections again and reconnect and once you haven't
been able to locate find and you're making the networking Warren,
is it really you come here to really see what
else is patting eggs that printwork into what your fundamental
mishou is.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
Yeah. Well, interestingly, I feel like there's been an ever
increasing role and involvement in policy makers at zero Week.
That probably was not the case, you know, five or
ten years ago. It really began, at least as I
saw it, with Russia's an invasion of Ukraine and the
way that the conversations here at zero really changed to
(38:18):
talk about the role that entergy plays and geopolitics. Geopolitics
had always been part of the conversation, but never before
had it been so real in terms of you know,
allies and support for friends around the world. And now
we find ourselves back at zero Week with another war.
You know, the straight or horror moves has closed, and
(38:39):
so you really really never know what kind of issues
are going to be coming up here. But it's a
great place to come in order to both help make
sure that the policy makers are educated and making sure
that the policymakers are learning from the industry, and it's
a two way street.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
You know. You bring up a good point, Chris, because
most people don't really think when an elected of visual
is elected, we could be electing a great ductor or
very agendas, maybe a landman. They don't necessarily have the exhortise.
They need to understand what is truly a very complicated
but yet dynamic energy system that you know, helps the globe.
(39:19):
And thank god, we have associations that are there to
kind of get them up to speed before they're trying
to implement policies. They need to understand health sects everybody.
Speaker 7 (39:30):
That's exactly right. Yeah, we we often you know, well
we talk about lobbying in DC like it's a four
letter or a book. Really, if it's not for the
education that happens of these members of Congress, how can
make informed decisions. And every member of Congress has just
a handful of young staffers who have to handle an
(39:50):
unlimited scope of issues, you know, and not every office
has an expert on LNG cargoes and shipping veins, or
on thane emission intensities, or on just understanding the way
molecules move around the United States infrastructure. And so if
we're not doing the job of showing up and helping
(40:11):
teach those policymakers what's important, then it's how can they
possibly make the right decisions for us when it comes
time to vote.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Absolutely well, you know, education is the key on anything,
especially if you're going to be making policy. So let's
talk about the primary mission of the Partnerships of Addressing
Global Admission, better known as Page and how do the
issues of energy permitting reform fit into that mission?
Speaker 7 (40:38):
Sure? Yeah, and Page where our members are dedicated to
responsibly producing natural gas, and that means not only providing
us reliable and affordable natural gas, but it also means
ever a cleaner natural gas. And so the Partnership to
Address Global Missions is based on one very simple and
fundamental truth of the United States energy system, which is
(41:02):
the vast majority of our emissions reductions in the energy space,
it simply came from natural gas replacing ple and around
the world every year we have more all that's burned
for electricity, for heat, for industrial processes. The greatest single
source of methane emissions are Chinese coal mines, and so
(41:26):
the same thing that has brought the United States its
greatest emissions reduction stimply fuel switching from VOLTA natural gas
is an opportunity, an endless opportunity around the world. To
the extent that the United States has massive natural gas reserves,
especially low methane intensity natural gas reserves from companies like
EQT and operators in the Marcellus, they can put that
(41:50):
gas on the water displaced coal, and as Toby Rice
often says, it could become the greatest decarbonization tool in
many See.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
That's what I'm talking about. It's the kind of stuff
that comes out of Sarah b It's just impressive. Let's
talk about or let's wit chears and talk about national security,
energy independence perspective. My show followers, the listeners, we talk
a lot about mingan reform. I caught up with Secretary
(42:25):
Wright at when Trump came to visit the Port of
Corpus Prestigia, and I asked him point point, how possible
in your mind, Secretary Energy, are we going to get
energy reformed? Now? We're going to do it? This is
the times. His answer was pretty much closed. That's a
very tricky subject. We hope to I don't know if
(42:47):
we can. It's a very complicated situation. But we know
we have to get avent and time. Time is a
essence absolutely. So that being said, you know how critical
is permani reform right now? An expansion of the American erity, uh,
you know, infrastructure and what are you all doing to
really help push just a long yeah, we all really
(43:09):
engage now.
Speaker 7 (43:09):
Really is as you said, the critical time for us, Well,
that was Secretary permitting reform, right and we're going to
do everything we can to make that decision as easy
as possible for him. When it comes to prioritizing and
pushing permitting reform. You know, we may not permitting reform,
may not be able to resolve the immediate energy crisis
(43:30):
caused by the closing the straight.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Up stability the climate.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
And it allows us and it allows us to avoid
that is your next time, you know, And so you
know there's a lot we can be doing now to help,
you know, on affordability pieces and to deal with the
energy crisis. But all roads lead back to permitting reform
and energy infrastructure. Because fundamentally prices are higher than they
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need to be. Energy security is less readily available than
it needs to be at times when the molecules and
electrons we produce cannot get to the markets where they're needed.
And it's really as simplest that and so per and
reform will allow us to get molecules and electrons from
the places they're produced effectively and efficiently to the places.
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