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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
On the air.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
On Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
The fellow named Michael Foolweber posted to Twitter he got
life in prison and I don't have the tweet in
front of me, but I'm sure, pretty sure it was
just that five word tweet. I knew what it meant,
but I wonder how many others did.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It was.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I suppose a bittersweet moment. Murder, most foul, awful, A
life cut short by the choice of another human being,
an accident that's.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Tough, that's tough to swallow. But the wilful.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Choosing of the taking of a life that's maddening. And
I don't mean angering, I mean make you crazy. Michael Fullwell,
Michael fool Weber is our guest. Michael, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Thank you, Michael. I appreciate you having me on this morning.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So let's start with the premise. I know the circumstances
because you and I have been communicating for a little while.
But let's start with the let's set the scene for
people who know nothing, if you would explain the whole situation,
and then we'll take it from there through the court
proceedings all the way up to the sentence.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, it's you know, it's a very unfortunate situation. You know,
Cameron was a guy that I went to high school with.
He was a few years older than me. But about
ten years ago he happened to move next door and
you know, we rekindled our friendship, became great friends. You know,
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we barbecue, we did everything together. In fact, he worked
for me a little bit, but ironically his son became
my lead tech. And you know, I don't know what happened.
He's always had anger issues, but I would I would
argue somewhat controllable, and you know, one day he just
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snapped and ended up stabbing a canine police dog, Nate,
who Nate has a huge following. Now, went to jail,
was released on a very low bond, and you know,
we had people at our house at Saturday night. He
did that Saturday morning, and people were at our house
Saturday night. We were saying, do not let him out,
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but Cameron was you know, it's his son. So you know,
got him out on a very low bond and next thing,
you know, Cameron's missing. We can't find him. Ryan's missing.
He missed his court date, and you know a few
days later we find his body hidden in the garage
and long to hold life in prison. So that's a
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thirty thousand foot view. We can go a.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Lot deeper, but yeah, let's dig into that shocking. So
when Ryan Smith, who is the man who's been given
a life sentence, who would kill his father, who was
your next door neighbor and good friend him, when he
was arrested for stabbing the CA nine and he was
given a low bond, what actually happened in the case
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where the K nine was necessary.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So what happened Ryan? He was not acting right and
police tried to arrest him or at least get a
mental evaluation on him that Friday, and unfortunately, the you know,
the police said hey, there's there's no beds available, and
he was released to his mother, which is that's an
injustice right there, in my opinion. He ended up staying
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at his mother's house that night, and for whatever reason,
he left her house and stole a phone charger from HB.
So now the police are looking for him. And then
he tried to carjack a doctor out of Chicago I
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think he's from Chicago, beat him up pretty good where
he had some vision problems and could not get into
his car. The guy had the keys in his pocket
and the car was not running, so he took off.
Police are on him. He ended up jumping from one
parking garage to another an apartment complex. It wasn't a
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very far jump, but the police are on him, and
as they got down to the ground level, I heard
one officer around on the corner and Ryan who had
the butcher knife in the air and was stabbing him.
And how the cops did not shoot him as beyond me.
But that's initially what started and triggered everything on this
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unfortunate set of events.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
My friend Matt Bryce at Federal American Grill hosted a
big event I don't know, six months or so ago.
And you sponsor a dog. I think it's thirty five
hundred dollars for HPD and that covers the expenses that
are not covered by HPD for the guys and their dog,
and you get to a quote unquote adopt a dog
and you pick which one and they show you the
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photos those guys I've talked to it. My brother had
a K nine. In fact, we took her. Her name
was Babe. When she was done with her useful life,
and my wife wanted to take her in and my
brother said, oh no, no, she's a working dog.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
She's a.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Drug and cadaver dog. You know, she can't be a
family dog. But we made her family dog anyway. The
attachment those guys have and across the for you know,
when an officer when a canine dies, the emotion these
guys have. I am just shocked, as you said that
they didn't blast this guy if he's stabbing this dog.
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I am I'm shocked. And they would have. They would
have done us all a favor if they had. But
so then it goes before Josh Hill, Judge Josh Hill,
and he gives a very low bond. Do you know
what the amount of that bond was?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
You know, I don't remember, but you know, let's assume
I don't know what is a bond. You come up
with ten percent? I think they you know, five to
eight thousand dollars is what the family had to come
out of pocket.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Okay, so probably a fifty thousand dollar Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Okay, you would think so. But you know, attempted murder
on let's call it a police officer. That's way too low.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
No, I I one hundred percent agree. And we've got
a guy who's having mental health episodes and and that's
that's a very very dangerous, volatile situation. That guy does
not need to be back out on the streets. So
he gets the bond and are you aware? So he
ends up at his father's house. Who's your next door neighbor.
(07:11):
Did you know that he was there at the time.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, So Cam was at my house and he said, look,
I'm bringing Ryan home. Apparently they went to you know,
Ryan's mother's house. They're divorced, and they were trying to
figure out what to do. Cam brought him home next door.
This was Sunday, and you know, Ryan supposedly went upstairs,
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went to bed, and Cam was all worried about him
and said, you know, we need to call the police
again for what's called an EDIO warrant. I don't know
anything about that, but apparently that's a mental health evaluation.
And so it must have been about ten o'clock. They
show up and we tell them, hey, stop short, don't
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go in front of Kim's house. You stop in front
of our house. Is not to spook this kid, right,
And we're talking to them and and Cameron's like, you know,
just go upstairs talk to him, but you know, don't
hurt him. He's a good kid. And they said, Okay,
what room is the end? All right?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Hold hold up, hold up their money. You know, these
cases of people.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
With mental health problems and the police having it's every
day and it's so tough.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Make Macoberry show in in dispose, in disguise is no
way rules businesses.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
When I was running for City council and serving on
City Council, I went and met with directors of departments
every department at the City of Houston, and I would
go to other departments.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I would talk to experts, professors.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Folks that had done studies, folks that had made it
their life, retired directors of departments, and I felt like
I had a pretty good understanding on how bonds should
be issued, how roads, how road maintenance should be handled,
how road construction should be let contracts for those trash pickup, sanitation,
(09:25):
water quality, policing, fire, all of that, and pretty good
understanding of it as much as you can without ever
doing it. But I felt very confident. The one issue
that I struggled with is homelessness because Homelessness is not
about a lack of structures to put people in that
they can afford or somebody can buy for them. And
(09:46):
that's how it's always addressed, so that government can get
more money to spend with friends of theirs. It's not
about people without a home. It's about people somewhere on
a spectrum of mental health degradation that they cannot will
not live in the traditional manner as the rest of us.
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And the drugs are usually used as the reason for
their problem.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
But I don't believe the drugs are the problem.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I believe the drugs are for them their solution, you know,
questionable as that is, as a solution. You're talking about
people with extreme mental health problems. And this sounds like
a case of just that. Michael ful Webber, who's our guest,
lived next door to his friend Cam Smith. Cam's son,
Ryan was out on bond from Judge Josh Hill when
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the son murdered the father. So Michael, let's go back
to him being released. How did you feel about knowing
that a guy was released even though your buddy was
your next door neighbor and it was his son. Understanding
that this guy was clearly a danger I mean he
stabbed a police CA nine and in the middle in
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the miss.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Of a robbery.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Well, you know, obviously it's it's extremely concerning, but there's
there's two sides to that coin. You know. Ryan was
also my lead tech for my company, so you know
I had a relationship with him as well, and I
didn't know what was going on. And I said this
as well in court. It's like, I'm not a doctor,
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you know, I don't know if he's having a mental
health breakdown. I don't know if this is years of
anger piling up on itself, or a drug that was
prescribed to him, or a narcotic that he took that
was I mean, I don't I don't know. So him
being released I thought was premature, just because there was
too many unknowns. You know, there has to the brutal
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attack on a police officer. Can't I nate with a
butcher knife and he's going to come home within just
I guess he spent overnight in jail. That's unacceptable. That's
a danger to our society.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I guess Judge Josh Hill is following orders. So then
how long is it between that period of time and
you all discover your neighbor Cam Smith murdered by his son,
your employee.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
So that was Sunday night. I stayed up to moving
into Monday morning in my driveway up to about, I
don't know, two thirty or three in the morning. I
promised Tim, I said, look, I'll watch that window. I'll
make sure he doesn't jump out. Cam said he would
stay awake in his house. We just wanted to make
sure the kid was safe because he had court on
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Monday to answer for what he did on Saturday with
the canine. And you know, I started falling asleep, so
I went to bed. My ring camera went off. I
jumped out of bed. I see some flashlights, but I
think I'm dreaming. I don't know what's going on. I
go back to bed. The next morning, he misses his
court date. Cam's phone is on. I think it was
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in the kitchen or in the nightstand. I'm not sure.
So now it's what's going on? You know, did did
Cam and Ryan go to the deer leaves and want to,
you know, just talk father son and then we'll figure
out about you know, going in front of the judge.
I don't know what's going on, but he had bludgeoned
Cam in the in the garage. I would think Monday
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morning at about four am, if I had to guess,
that's just that's just me guessing. We didn't find him
till Tuesday. He had wrapped him up in a carpet
and cleaned the scene because Michael, you know, I have
a crime scene cleaning company and he's my lead text.
So he was able to clean up the scene to
where I couldn't find the body. The police officers multiple
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times could not find his body, and so it took
us a while. But what happened was he came back
and as the homicide detectives were leaving, cana is still
in the garage. As they're leaving, they see Ryan down
the street and Cameron's truck and then the chase was
on goes to Memorial Park. They're searching for him. They
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find the murder weapon in the back of Cameron's truck.
He somehow evades police, he evades canine, and he evades
the drones. He hops on a train and they catch him.
I think Waller County using my company credit card. So
it's just it's a bizarre event that could have been solved,
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you know, after the canine none of this. I mean,
it's unfortunate that happened to canine Nate, But have him
sit there on a higher bond, and let's figure this out.
That's the problem with that low bond.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Do you have any I did the circumstances behind it?
As he said anything about I think it's a dumbbell
that he used to bludgeon his father to death. How
that came about, how it came.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Down, Yeah, I kind of once we found Caim or
knew where he was, I feorized that, Hey, they went
out into the garage and opened up the freezer. Cam
went to open up the freezer because I guarantee Ryan
said hey, dad, you know, let's take out some hamburger meat,
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el whatever. And as Caim bent down, that's where Ryan
attacked him. His back was turned. And then I think
that later came out in court that that was the truth.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Well, I want to hold just a moment because I
want to hold you over to explain your role in
this trial and how the trial ended up. And you're
in flats on how.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
That ended up.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
But quickly before we get to that, I think I read,
let's see in the chronicle story said he believed his
father was no longer human and he wanted to escape
Texas for safety in westward States. That's a pretty bad
mental health episode.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Something was happening, you know. And again I kept saying
to the to the defense, I'm not a doctor, but
you know that clearly odd behavior.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
All right, we'll talk about that trial. The verdict came
out on Friday, coming up.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
To go, and the girls all get pretty at closing
time when you're listening to the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Quite a sordid affair.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Michael full Weber is our guest. He owns a company
that does hazardous material hazardous waste cleanup, like after someone's
been murdered. And his next door neighbor, Cam has a
son named Ryan, who works for our guest Michael as
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his lead or did as his lead technician at the
hazard at the blood splatter clean up company. The son
Ryan murdered his father and we're to the point of
the trial now, bludgeoned him to death with a dumbbell
because Judge Josh Hill released him on a low bond
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so that he could go home and kill his father.
Michael full Weber as our guest, Michael, you and I
spoke on Friday. You were delighted with the life in
prison sentence and you felt that it was the right sentence.
But there was an important point in the trial. And
let's go back and let me set this up. The son, Ryan,
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because you were his boss and you live next door,
called you after the murder and y'all had conversations.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Tell about that.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
We had multiple conversations. He called me in jail and
I would take his call. I mean, he at the
end of the day, he's still a human being. If
he's you know, in a Mani state, non Mani state,
you know, I don't know. You know, he we still
have a history there, you know. And to be honest
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with you, when I took his calls for me, I
wanted to have more investigative role. I wanted to know
what's going on. I wanted to know, you know, what
is going through his mind. Now we both know that
these calls are going to be recorded and they can
be used in a court of law. I knew that
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all along, which is fine. Ryan held his cards pretty
close to his vest and never really gave up much
as far as the trial, as far as what he
was feeling, you know, with regards to his father, the circumstances,
et cetera. And I know there was one call that
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was played in court when I was on the stand.
This is after he was found guilty. This is now
the sentencing part where you know, he said he was
praying for me and for circumstances, and I said, I
was praying for him. And you know, it was just
a normal conversation, Michael, like you and I are having
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right now. You know, it's it was again more of
a fact finding mission for me. And so they played
this in court, which that's fine, and they said, is
that the Ryan you know? I said, yeah, you know,
you know, he also showed signs of anger, but that's
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certainly a side that I've seen of Ryan. And they
looked at me just so pleased the defense and said, well,
how many years do you think Ryan needs in jail?
And I looked right back at him and I said
ninety nine. And that took him back. They said, how
in the world can you be so nice, have great
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conversations with this guy that won him away for the
rest of his life. And I stopped him. I said, look,
I'm an encourager. He's still a human being. He can
still have a ministry in prison. There's still life for
Ryan in prison. And to be honest with you, if
he had a low sentence, I think I'd be terrified
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for my life if he got out. And when they
were pushing five to ten years, that scared me legitimately
me legitimately made me nervous if he was going to
get out in five to ten with three years already
served in county jail.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
He did get life in prison. That's where we are now.
Let me rewind for a moment, Michael. This guy worked
for you and ends up bludgeoning his dad to death.
You know, it's one thing to shoot somebody, that's the
pulling of a trigger. But to you know, you're probably
talking about multiple blows, You're talking about blood, You're talking
about force and the persnumony. I mean, it's this is
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a very involved murder. Did you ever have a sense,
I mean that this guy was capable of this? Did
you have problems with him in the past.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I had seen anger issue issues in the past, Uh
where I was like, Ryan, that's not normal, man, you
cannot get that angry over x y or z one
was on the golf course and I thought it was
totally bizarre. But then on the other hand, he can
be a normal, nice kid. So yes, I've seen it,
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and I've seen both sides of it. Now again, did
everything come to a head? Did he have such rage
that everything came to a head and did something accelerate
that was their drugs involved? You know, I don't know,
but it got so severe he murdered Cam.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
How long did he work for you that, you know?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I think he worked for me for about four years,
and that's a guess, but I believe it was about
four years.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So did you notice during that four years a decline?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Never it never decline until maybe a few months before,
But it wasn't very noticeable the week prior. Yes there
was a decline, but it was always walk on eggshells
with Ryan. You know, if something is a miss on
a job site, meaning it goes out of protocol, we
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need to think out of the box. He would get
very agitated. But it did seem, obviously to come to
a head that week, and that's why we were just
so concerned. It's what in the world is going on
with this kid?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It was just it was surreal, even looking back now
and reliving it in my mind, and I'm sure others
that were involved in the neighborhood just reliving it. It's surreal,
it's not real. It seems like a fairy tale, somewhat
a nightmare of a fairy tale.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
When you and I were talking on Friday, you were
very angry that the defense brought up your late son's
passing as part of their defense.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Why was that? Yeah, so my son passed away ten
months ago yesterday. He was our only son, only son fifteen. Oh,
you're gonna get me choked up, Michael. So I think
they wanted to play that in that phone call I mentioned,
to pull out an emotion of empathy from me, to
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soften me. So their leading question after that was how
many years does Ryan need after talking about my son
on that phone call? And it was a tactic, and
it backfired because I looked right back at him and
I said, ninety nine years. Don't you ever bring my
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son into this court again.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I don't know if you remember, but Jackson passed on
the evening of the day we gathered you and I
and others and Dennis Rodman for fried catfish at Federal
American Grill.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
That's how I remember that day.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
That's right. And then I sent you an email that
weekend and you sent me a nice email back condolences
of course. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I don't know that words could do justice to what
you're going through when when your son passes.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
But that is uh, that is rough. Michael.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Thank you for sharing this story. There's there's no happy
ending here, alas, but but it is a revelation into
a system and into life. I mean, look, mental health
problems are real and and they're serious.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And they're hard to deal with. This is this is
just an ugly situation.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
There's no way out, and you're listening to this thes
are Radio.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Michael Berry, Governor.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
You previously oppose an assault weapons ban, but it's only
later in your political career did you change your position.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Why.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I've become friends with school shooters.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
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I become friends with school shooters.
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There.
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I become friends with school shooters.
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There.
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There, I've become friends with school shooters.
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There.
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I become friends with school shooters.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
There.
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I've become friends with school shooters.
Speaker 10 (26:48):
There.
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I've become friends with school shooters.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It's coming out.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
As the vice presidentidential candidate for Kamala Harris. He was
going to get the straight mail vote, you know, working
class Joe's six pack. That's to imagine that the Democrats
thought that this is what will appeal to Bubba Tim Waltz.
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That tells you everything you need to know about their
understanding of real America. Outside their bubble. They have no clue.
But Tim Watson has kind of enjoying the moment. He's
he's enjoying the attention and he's decided, Hey, I can
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monetize this. Stay in the spotlight.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Hollo over here.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
He's loving this. He said last week that if he's
asked to run for president, he he will run for president.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
He just will.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
In the last couple of weeks, here's what he's been
up to. First, he said he celebrates when Tesla's stock
value declines. Tesla is now the automobile with the most parts.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Made in America.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Now, I'm not saying it's General Motors, Forward or Dodge,
it's not. But it is an American company. And even
though I'm a Chevy man, I don't relish any company
American company with American workers and American investors suffering.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
But he does, saying on.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
My phone, I don't some of you know this on
the iPhone. They've got that little stock app. I added
Tesla tode to give me a little boost during.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
The day two twenty five and dropping.
Speaker 10 (28:54):
So if you own one, if you own one, we're
not blaming you.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
You can you can take dental.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
Floss and pull the Tesla thing off, you know, and
take out of just telling you.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, then it turns out that his state's pension fund
owns Tesla's stock, so you're rooting for the stock to
go down, which hurts your state's pension fund. So he
had to crawl fish.
Speaker 10 (29:22):
This guy bugs me in a way that is probably unhealthy.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
And but but.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
I I have to be careful about being a smart ass.
I was making a joke. These people have no sense
of humor. They are the most literal people, most little people.
But but my point was they're all mad and I,
you know, said something I didn't you know, probably shouldn't
have about a company. He is agree, agreed, So I
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make the case.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
I make the case.
Speaker 10 (29:56):
They're all they're all butt hurt about the Tesla thing,
but they don't care the disrespect they have shown to
employees at the Minneapolis VA who care for our veterans,
and they fire them.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
They don't care.
Speaker 10 (30:10):
So we will have the conversation about efficiency and government
and about doing that. But none of us believe for
a second they're thinking about this. Oh, we fired everybody
that's dealing with the Bola. And then he went into
the Oval office wearing a hat.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I don't want to hear any Then he goes on
to Gavin Newsom's podcast where he says he's going to
kick the asses of Republicans.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
He's going to fist fight Republicans.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
You got to respect people you disagree with, even you
can't just dismiss people this.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Well, this notion geck most of their ass.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I do.
Speaker 10 (30:47):
I know if I can run them, But I don't
know if we're going to fall into that place where
we want to Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
We change so then so then he he didn't count
on former WWE superstar Glenn Jacobs, answering the call.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Glenn Jacobs the Knox County mayor and folks, he knows
the thing of two about wrestling. In the WWE twenty
seven years he wrestled as Cain, the Undertaker's brother, and
he is a WWE Hall of Famer. Jacob's posting this
saying everyone is always asking me if I have one
last match left. I think I've found my final victim,
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I mean opponent. The mayor of Knox County, Glenn Jacobs,
joins us now here on news Line. Great to see you,
Mayor Jacobs.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
You know, I think Newsom was really uncomfortable. I don't
know Tim Waltz his aspirations for twenty twenty eight. I mean,
he had trouble even shooting a gun and now he
wants to take on a cage match.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Is he for real?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I know he's not for real, and that's the issue.
Speaker 9 (31:53):
I think there's a memo that's gone out among the
Democrat party that we have to appear tough, and we
have to appear mask.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Cain would go on to say that he challenges Waltz
if he wants the match, and we were just thinking
what the promo would sound like.
Speaker 11 (32:09):
Oh right, folks, if you're just joining us, we have
some huge news. WWE superstar and Hall of Famer Kane
has just challenged Minnesota Governor Tim Walls to a match
at WrestleMania in what will be the final of his career.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Oh that's right, we're talking WrestleMania. But wood Walls even
want to show face here? Would he show up?
Speaker 10 (32:34):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (32:36):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 11 (32:37):
You know that music, Harry comes, it's all Timmy Wall.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
I don't believe it. I absolutely have seen it all.
Here he comes in his think ones. He grinning here
to here, blushing like a little schoolgirl. Oh, I don't
believe it, man, I don't believe it. Play this Timmy
(33:04):
has no regard for man Kite because he's waving his
jazz hands through the crowd, fall away to the ring.
Speaker 11 (33:13):
It's raining now, Well let's send it on down to
the ring and see what old Timmy Walls has to
say for himself.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Go, oh, that's a longer walkome you think?
Speaker 12 (33:25):
All right, Caine, you said you wouldn't hear from me.
Well I'm right here, buckaroo, and I accept your little challenge,
and you're gonna rude the day because let me tell
you something, mister, you don't want to mess with this
old ball coach, just as my former players they'll tell
you roll that beautiful thing, foot.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Man coach walts. If we weren't hitting the whole hard,
and
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I mean hitting that whole hard,
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
On the air.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
On Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
The fellow named Michael Foolweber posted to Twitter he got
life in prison and I don't have the tweet in
front of me, but I'm sure, pretty sure it was
just that five word tweet. I knew what it meant,
but I wonder how many others did.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It was.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I suppose a bittersweet moment. Murder, most foul, awful, A
life cut short by the choice of another human being,
an accident that's.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Tough, that's tough to swallow. But the wilful.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Choosing of the taking of a life that's maddening. And
I don't mean angering, I mean make you crazy. Michael Fullwell,
Michael fool Weber is our guest. Michael, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Thank you, Michael. I appreciate you having me on this morning.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
So let's start with the premise. I know the circumstances
because you and I have been communicating for a little while.
But let's start with the let's set the scene for
people who know nothing, if you would explain the whole situation,
and then we'll take it from there through the court
proceedings all the way up to the sentence.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, it's you know, it's a very unfortunate situation. You know,
Cameron was a guy that I went to high school with.
He was a few years older than me. But about
ten years ago he happened to move next door and
you know, we rekindled our friendship, became great friends. You know,
(02:14):
we barbecue, we did everything together. In fact, he worked
for me a little bit, but ironically his son became
my lead tech. And you know, I don't know what happened.
He's always had anger issues, but I would I would
argue somewhat controllable, and you know, one day he just
(02:37):
snapped and ended up stabbing a canine police dog, Nate,
who Nate has a huge following. Now, went to jail,
was released on a very low bond, and you know,
we had people at our house at Saturday night. He
did that Saturday morning, and people were at our house
Saturday night. We were saying, do not let him out,
(02:59):
but Cameron was you know, it's his son. So you know,
got him out on a very low bond and next thing,
you know, Cameron's missing. We can't find him. Ryan's missing.
He missed his court date, and you know a few
days later we find his body hidden in the garage
and long to hold life in prison. So that's a
(03:23):
thirty thousand foot view. We can go a.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Lot deeper, but yeah, let's dig into that shocking. So
when Ryan Smith, who is the man who's been given
a life sentence, who would kill his father, who was
your next door neighbor and good friend him, when he
was arrested for stabbing the CA nine and he was
given a low bond, what actually happened in the case
(03:46):
where the K nine was necessary.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So what happened Ryan? He was not acting right and
police tried to arrest him or at least get a
mental evaluation on him that Friday, and unfortunately, the you know,
the police said hey, there's there's no beds available, and
he was released to his mother, which is that's an
injustice right there, in my opinion. He ended up staying
(04:13):
at his mother's house that night, and for whatever reason,
he left her house and stole a phone charger from HB.
So now the police are looking for him. And then
he tried to carjack a doctor out of Chicago I
(04:33):
think he's from Chicago, beat him up pretty good where
he had some vision problems and could not get into
his car. The guy had the keys in his pocket
and the car was not running, so he took off.
Police are on him. He ended up jumping from one
parking garage to another an apartment complex. It wasn't a
(04:54):
very far jump, but the police are on him, and
as they got down to the ground level, I heard
one officer around on the corner and Ryan who had
the butcher knife in the air and was stabbing him.
And how the cops did not shoot him as beyond me.
But that's initially what started and triggered everything on this
(05:14):
unfortunate set of events.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
My friend Matt Bryce at Federal American Grill hosted a
big event I don't know, six months or so ago.
And you sponsor a dog. I think it's thirty five
hundred dollars for HPD and that covers the expenses that
are not covered by HPD for the guys and their dog,
and you get to a quote unquote adopt a dog
and you pick which one and they show you the
(05:37):
photos those guys I've talked to it. My brother had
a K nine. In fact, we took her. Her name
was Babe. When she was done with her useful life,
and my wife wanted to take her in and my
brother said, oh no, no, she's a working dog.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
She's a.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Drug and cadaver dog. You know, she can't be a
family dog. But we made her family dog anyway. The
attachment those guys have and across the for you know,
when an officer when a canine dies, the emotion these
guys have. I am just shocked, as you said that
they didn't blast this guy if he's stabbing this dog.
(06:12):
I am I'm shocked. And they would have. They would
have done us all a favor if they had. But
so then it goes before Josh Hill, Judge Josh Hill,
and he gives a very low bond. Do you know
what the amount of that bond was?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
You know, I don't remember, but you know, let's assume
I don't know what is a bond. You come up
with ten percent? I think they you know, five to
eight thousand dollars is what the family had to come
out of pocket.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Okay, so probably a fifty thousand dollar Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Okay, you would think so. But you know, attempted murder
on let's call it a police officer. That's way too low.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
No, I I one hundred percent agree. And we've got
a guy who's having mental health episodes and and that's
that's a very very dangerous, volatile situation. That guy does
not need to be back out on the streets. So
he gets the bond and are you aware? So he
ends up at his father's house. Who's your next door neighbor.
(07:11):
Did you know that he was there at the time.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, So Cam was at my house and he said, look,
I'm bringing Ryan home. Apparently they went to you know,
Ryan's mother's house. They're divorced, and they were trying to
figure out what to do. Cam brought him home next door.
This was Sunday, and you know, Ryan supposedly went upstairs,
(07:35):
went to bed, and Cam was all worried about him
and said, you know, we need to call the police
again for what's called an EDIO warrant. I don't know
anything about that, but apparently that's a mental health evaluation.
And so it must have been about ten o'clock. They
show up and we tell them, hey, stop short, don't
(07:56):
go in front of Kim's house. You stop in front
of our house. Is not to spook this kid, right,
And we're talking to them and and Cameron's like, you know,
just go upstairs talk to him, but you know, don't
hurt him. He's a good kid. And they said, Okay,
what room is the end? All right?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Hold hold up, hold up their money. You know, these
cases of people.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
With mental health problems and the police having it's every
day and it's so tough.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Make Macoberry show in in dispose, in disguise is no
way rules businesses.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
When I was running for City council and serving on
City Council, I went and met with directors of departments
every department at the City of Houston, and I would
go to other departments.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I would talk to experts, professors.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Folks that had done studies, folks that had made it
their life, retired directors of departments, and I felt like
I had a pretty good understanding on how bonds should
be issued, how roads, how road maintenance should be handled,
how road construction should be let contracts for those trash pickup, sanitation,
(09:25):
water quality, policing, fire, all of that, and pretty good
understanding of it as much as you can without ever
doing it. But I felt very confident. The one issue
that I struggled with is homelessness because Homelessness is not
about a lack of structures to put people in that
they can afford or somebody can buy for them. And
(09:46):
that's how it's always addressed, so that government can get
more money to spend with friends of theirs. It's not
about people without a home. It's about people somewhere on
a spectrum of mental health degradation that they cannot will
not live in the traditional manner as the rest of us.
(10:08):
And the drugs are usually used as the reason for
their problem.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
But I don't believe the drugs are the problem.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I believe the drugs are for them their solution, you know,
questionable as that is, as a solution. You're talking about
people with extreme mental health problems. And this sounds like
a case of just that. Michael ful Webber, who's our guest,
lived next door to his friend Cam Smith. Cam's son,
Ryan was out on bond from Judge Josh Hill when
(10:38):
the son murdered the father. So Michael, let's go back
to him being released. How did you feel about knowing
that a guy was released even though your buddy was
your next door neighbor and it was his son. Understanding
that this guy was clearly a danger I mean he
stabbed a police CA nine and in the middle in
(10:59):
the miss.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Of a robbery.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Well, you know, obviously it's it's extremely concerning, but there's
there's two sides to that coin. You know. Ryan was
also my lead tech for my company, so you know
I had a relationship with him as well, and I
didn't know what was going on. And I said this
as well in court. It's like, I'm not a doctor,
(11:26):
you know, I don't know if he's having a mental
health breakdown. I don't know if this is years of
anger piling up on itself, or a drug that was
prescribed to him, or a narcotic that he took that
was I mean, I don't I don't know. So him
being released I thought was premature, just because there was
too many unknowns. You know, there has to the brutal
(11:51):
attack on a police officer. Can't I nate with a
butcher knife and he's going to come home within just
I guess he spent overnight in jail. That's unacceptable. That's
a danger to our society.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I guess Judge Josh Hill is following orders. So then
how long is it between that period of time and
you all discover your neighbor Cam Smith murdered by his son,
your employee.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
So that was Sunday night. I stayed up to moving
into Monday morning in my driveway up to about, I
don't know, two thirty or three in the morning. I
promised Tim, I said, look, I'll watch that window. I'll
make sure he doesn't jump out. Cam said he would
stay awake in his house. We just wanted to make
sure the kid was safe because he had court on
(12:41):
Monday to answer for what he did on Saturday with
the canine. And you know, I started falling asleep, so
I went to bed. My ring camera went off. I
jumped out of bed. I see some flashlights, but I
think I'm dreaming. I don't know what's going on. I
go back to bed. The next morning, he misses his
court date. Cam's phone is on. I think it was
(13:05):
in the kitchen or in the nightstand. I'm not sure.
So now it's what's going on? You know, did did
Cam and Ryan go to the deer leaves and want to,
you know, just talk father son and then we'll figure
out about you know, going in front of the judge.
I don't know what's going on, but he had bludgeoned
Cam in the in the garage. I would think Monday
(13:30):
morning at about four am, if I had to guess,
that's just that's just me guessing. We didn't find him
till Tuesday. He had wrapped him up in a carpet
and cleaned the scene because Michael, you know, I have
a crime scene cleaning company and he's my lead text.
So he was able to clean up the scene to
where I couldn't find the body. The police officers multiple
(13:51):
times could not find his body, and so it took
us a while. But what happened was he came back
and as the homicide detectives were leaving, cana is still
in the garage. As they're leaving, they see Ryan down
the street and Cameron's truck and then the chase was
on goes to Memorial Park. They're searching for him. They
(14:16):
find the murder weapon in the back of Cameron's truck.
He somehow evades police, he evades canine, and he evades
the drones. He hops on a train and they catch him.
I think Waller County using my company credit card. So
it's just it's a bizarre event that could have been solved,
(14:41):
you know, after the canine none of this. I mean,
it's unfortunate that happened to canine Nate, But have him
sit there on a higher bond, and let's figure this out.
That's the problem with that low bond.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Do you have any I did the circumstances behind it?
As he said anything about I think it's a dumbbell
that he used to bludgeon his father to death. How
that came about, how it came.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Down, Yeah, I kind of once we found Caim or
knew where he was, I feorized that, Hey, they went
out into the garage and opened up the freezer. Cam
went to open up the freezer because I guarantee Ryan
said hey, dad, you know, let's take out some hamburger meat,
(15:34):
el whatever. And as Caim bent down, that's where Ryan
attacked him. His back was turned. And then I think
that later came out in court that that was the truth.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Well, I want to hold just a moment because I
want to hold you over to explain your role in
this trial and how the trial ended up. And you're
in flats on how.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
That ended up.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
But quickly before we get to that, I think I read,
let's see in the chronicle story said he believed his
father was no longer human and he wanted to escape
Texas for safety in westward States. That's a pretty bad
mental health episode.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Something was happening, you know. And again I kept saying
to the to the defense, I'm not a doctor, but
you know that clearly odd behavior.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
All right, we'll talk about that trial. The verdict came
out on Friday, coming up.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
To go, and the girls all get pretty at closing
time when you're listening to the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Quite a sordid affair.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Michael full Weber is our guest. He owns a company
that does hazardous material hazardous waste cleanup, like after someone's
been murdered. And his next door neighbor, Cam has a
son named Ryan, who works for our guest Michael as
(17:21):
his lead or did as his lead technician at the
hazard at the blood splatter clean up company. The son
Ryan murdered his father and we're to the point of
the trial now, bludgeoned him to death with a dumbbell
because Judge Josh Hill released him on a low bond
(17:41):
so that he could go home and kill his father.
Michael full Weber as our guest, Michael, you and I
spoke on Friday. You were delighted with the life in
prison sentence and you felt that it was the right sentence.
But there was an important point in the trial. And
let's go back and let me set this up. The son, Ryan,
(18:04):
because you were his boss and you live next door,
called you after the murder and y'all had conversations.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Tell about that.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
We had multiple conversations. He called me in jail and
I would take his call. I mean, he at the
end of the day, he's still a human being. If
he's you know, in a Mani state, non Mani state,
you know, I don't know. You know, he we still
have a history there, you know. And to be honest
(18:35):
with you, when I took his calls for me, I
wanted to have more investigative role. I wanted to know
what's going on. I wanted to know, you know, what
is going through his mind. Now we both know that
these calls are going to be recorded and they can
be used in a court of law. I knew that
(18:57):
all along, which is fine. Ryan held his cards pretty
close to his vest and never really gave up much
as far as the trial, as far as what he
was feeling, you know, with regards to his father, the circumstances,
et cetera. And I know there was one call that
(19:19):
was played in court when I was on the stand.
This is after he was found guilty. This is now
the sentencing part where you know, he said he was
praying for me and for circumstances, and I said, I
was praying for him. And you know, it was just
a normal conversation, Michael, like you and I are having
(19:39):
right now. You know, it's it was again more of
a fact finding mission for me. And so they played
this in court, which that's fine, and they said, is
that the Ryan you know? I said, yeah, you know,
you know, he also showed signs of anger, but that's
(20:00):
certainly a side that I've seen of Ryan. And they
looked at me just so pleased the defense and said, well,
how many years do you think Ryan needs in jail?
And I looked right back at him and I said
ninety nine. And that took him back. They said, how
in the world can you be so nice, have great
(20:21):
conversations with this guy that won him away for the
rest of his life. And I stopped him. I said, look,
I'm an encourager. He's still a human being. He can
still have a ministry in prison. There's still life for
Ryan in prison. And to be honest with you, if
he had a low sentence, I think I'd be terrified
(20:42):
for my life if he got out. And when they
were pushing five to ten years, that scared me legitimately
me legitimately made me nervous if he was going to
get out in five to ten with three years already
served in county jail.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
He did get life in prison. That's where we are now.
Let me rewind for a moment, Michael. This guy worked
for you and ends up bludgeoning his dad to death.
You know, it's one thing to shoot somebody, that's the
pulling of a trigger. But to you know, you're probably
talking about multiple blows, You're talking about blood, You're talking
about force and the persnumony. I mean, it's this is
(21:22):
a very involved murder. Did you ever have a sense,
I mean that this guy was capable of this? Did
you have problems with him in the past.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I had seen anger issue issues in the past, Uh
where I was like, Ryan, that's not normal, man, you
cannot get that angry over x y or z one
was on the golf course and I thought it was
totally bizarre. But then on the other hand, he can
be a normal, nice kid. So yes, I've seen it,
(21:59):
and I've seen both sides of it. Now again, did
everything come to a head? Did he have such rage
that everything came to a head and did something accelerate
that was their drugs involved? You know, I don't know,
but it got so severe he murdered Cam.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
How long did he work for you that, you know?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I think he worked for me for about four years,
and that's a guess, but I believe it was about
four years.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So did you notice during that four years a decline?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Never it never decline until maybe a few months before,
But it wasn't very noticeable the week prior. Yes there
was a decline, but it was always walk on eggshells
with Ryan. You know, if something is a miss on
a job site, meaning it goes out of protocol, we
(23:00):
need to think out of the box. He would get
very agitated. But it did seem, obviously to come to
a head that week, and that's why we were just
so concerned. It's what in the world is going on
with this kid?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You know?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It was just it was surreal, even looking back now
and reliving it in my mind, and I'm sure others
that were involved in the neighborhood just reliving it. It's surreal,
it's not real. It seems like a fairy tale, somewhat
a nightmare of a fairy tale.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
When you and I were talking on Friday, you were
very angry that the defense brought up your late son's
passing as part of their defense.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Why was that? Yeah, so my son passed away ten
months ago yesterday. He was our only son, only son fifteen. Oh,
you're gonna get me choked up, Michael. So I think
they wanted to play that in that phone call I mentioned,
to pull out an emotion of empathy from me, to
(24:16):
soften me. So their leading question after that was how
many years does Ryan need after talking about my son
on that phone call? And it was a tactic, and
it backfired because I looked right back at him and
I said, ninety nine years. Don't you ever bring my
(24:36):
son into this court again.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I don't know if you remember, but Jackson passed on
the evening of the day we gathered you and I
and others and Dennis Rodman for fried catfish at Federal
American Grill.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
That's how I remember that day.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
That's right. And then I sent you an email that
weekend and you sent me a nice email back condolences
of course. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I don't know that words could do justice to what
you're going through when when your son passes.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
But that is uh, that is rough. Michael.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Thank you for sharing this story. There's there's no happy
ending here, alas, but but it is a revelation into
a system and into life. I mean, look, mental health
problems are real and and they're serious.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
And they're hard to deal with. This is this is
just an ugly situation.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
There's no way out, and you're listening to this thes
are Radio.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Michael Berry, Governor.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
You previously oppose an assault weapons ban, but it's only
later in your political career did you change your position.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
Why.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I've become friends with school shooters.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Oh, my god, be there.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I become friends with school shooters.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
There.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I become friends with school shooters.
Speaker 9 (26:18):
There.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
There, I've become friends with school shooters.
Speaker 9 (26:31):
There.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I become friends with school shooters.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
There.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I've become friends with school shooters.
Speaker 10 (26:48):
There.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I've become friends with school shooters.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It's coming out.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
As the vice presidentidential candidate for Kamala Harris. He was
going to get the straight mail vote, you know, working
class Joe's six pack. That's to imagine that the Democrats
thought that this is what will appeal to Bubba Tim Waltz.
(27:22):
That tells you everything you need to know about their
understanding of real America. Outside their bubble. They have no clue.
But Tim Watson has kind of enjoying the moment. He's
he's enjoying the attention and he's decided, Hey, I can
(27:44):
monetize this. Stay in the spotlight.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Hollo over here.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
He's loving this. He said last week that if he's
asked to run for president, he he will run for president.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
He just will.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
In the last couple of weeks, here's what he's been
up to. First, he said he celebrates when Tesla's stock
value declines. Tesla is now the automobile with the most parts.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Made in America.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Now, I'm not saying it's General Motors, Forward or Dodge,
it's not. But it is an American company. And even
though I'm a Chevy man, I don't relish any company
American company with American workers and American investors suffering.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
But he does, saying on.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
My phone, I don't some of you know this on
the iPhone. They've got that little stock app. I added
Tesla tode to give me a little boost during.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
The day two twenty five and dropping.
Speaker 10 (28:54):
So if you own one, if you own one, we're
not blaming you.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
You can you can take dental.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
Floss and pull the Tesla thing off, you know, and
take out of just telling you.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well, then it turns out that his state's pension fund
owns Tesla's stock, so you're rooting for the stock to
go down, which hurts your state's pension fund. So he
had to crawl fish.
Speaker 10 (29:22):
This guy bugs me in a way that is probably unhealthy.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
And but but.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
I I have to be careful about being a smart ass.
I was making a joke. These people have no sense
of humor. They are the most literal people, most little people.
But but my point was they're all mad and I,
you know, said something I didn't you know, probably shouldn't
have about a company. He is agree, agreed, So I
(29:53):
make the case.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
I make the case.
Speaker 10 (29:56):
They're all they're all butt hurt about the Tesla thing,
but they don't care the disrespect they have shown to
employees at the Minneapolis VA who care for our veterans,
and they fire them.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
They don't care.
Speaker 10 (30:10):
So we will have the conversation about efficiency and government
and about doing that. But none of us believe for
a second they're thinking about this. Oh, we fired everybody
that's dealing with the Bola. And then he went into
the Oval office wearing a hat.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I don't want to hear any Then he goes on
to Gavin Newsom's podcast where he says he's going to
kick the asses of Republicans.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
He's going to fist fight Republicans.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
You got to respect people you disagree with, even you
can't just dismiss people this.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Well, this notion geck most of their ass.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
I do.
Speaker 10 (30:47):
I know if I can run them, But I don't
know if we're going to fall into that place where
we want to Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
We change so then so then he he didn't count
on former WWE superstar Glenn Jacobs, answering the call.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Glenn Jacobs the Knox County mayor and folks, he knows
the thing of two about wrestling. In the WWE twenty
seven years he wrestled as Cain, the Undertaker's brother, and
he is a WWE Hall of Famer. Jacob's posting this
saying everyone is always asking me if I have one
last match left. I think I've found my final victim,
(31:25):
I mean opponent. The mayor of Knox County, Glenn Jacobs,
joins us now here on news Line. Great to see you,
Mayor Jacobs.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
You know, I think Newsom was really uncomfortable. I don't
know Tim Waltz his aspirations for twenty twenty eight. I mean,
he had trouble even shooting a gun and now he
wants to take on a cage match.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Is he for real?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I know he's not for real, and that's the issue.
Speaker 9 (31:53):
I think there's a memo that's gone out among the
Democrat party that we have to appear tough, and we
have to appear mask.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Cain would go on to say that he challenges Waltz
if he wants the match, and we were just thinking
what the promo would sound like.
Speaker 11 (32:09):
Oh right, folks, if you're just joining us, we have
some huge news. WWE superstar and Hall of Famer Kane
has just challenged Minnesota Governor Tim Walls to a match
at WrestleMania in what will be the final of his career.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Oh that's right, we're talking WrestleMania. But wood Walls even
want to show face here? Would he show up?
Speaker 10 (32:34):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (32:36):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 11 (32:37):
You know that music, Harry comes, it's all Timmy Wall.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
I don't believe it. I absolutely have seen it all.
Here he comes in his think ones. He grinning here
to here, blushing like a little schoolgirl. Oh, I don't
believe it, man, I don't believe it. Play this Timmy
(33:04):
has no regard for man Kite because he's waving his
jazz hands through the crowd, fall away to the ring.
Speaker 11 (33:13):
It's raining now, Well let's send it on down to
the ring and see what old Timmy Walls has to
say for himself.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Go, oh, that's a longer walkome you think?
Speaker 12 (33:25):
All right, Caine, you said you wouldn't hear from me.
Well I'm right here, buckaroo, and I accept your little challenge,
and you're gonna rude the day because let me tell
you something, mister, you don't want to mess with this
old ball coach, just as my former players they'll tell
you roll that beautiful thing, foot.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Man coach walts. If we weren't hitting the whole hard,
and
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I mean hitting that whole hard,
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