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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
So Michael Verie Show is on.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The air, and I made my notes.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I made two columns and I wrote it down incorrectly.
Alejandra Selenas is not one of the good guys. Alejandra
Selenas is one of the three idiots on city Council
that doesn't want the Houston Police Department to hand over
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illegal aliens to ICE when they apprehend them. And I'm
going to tell you this, Pollard, Caymans and Salinas, one
of these son of a bitches is going to do
something horrible and an HPD officer will have not handed
them over to ICE. And I am going to hound
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you daily about it because it's your fault because you
don't want the law enforced because you want to play
little political games. And I hope to God, God hope
it to be the case that the next illegal alien
that commits a murder it be someone you know, I
don't wish for them to commit murders.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I wonder if you do.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I don't wish for them to commit murders, but we
know it's going to happen. We know that they're not
sending their best, we know that we're getting the trash
of third world countries, and we know we're getting the
pedophiles and human traffickers and sex traffickers and drug traffickers
and murderers and assassins and frauds, and you people have
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been allowed to get away with it for too long.
So when it happens, just know when it happened. But
you play your little political games you play. I understand it.
You've got to play your little political games. I'm not
mad at.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You for that. I get it.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That's what your party is all about. And you don't
have the leadership to step outside that. You do what
you're told. So none of these people, none of them
know what they stand for, what they believe, or why
they believe it. They're told what the party line is
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and they toe it because they just want to be
an elected office. They want to have people that work
for them to pick up the dry cleaning and drive
them around. They want to be called counsel money or
the honorable. They want to be invited. They want to
get the seats at all the events. They want to
get the rodeo passes, to get free tickets to the rodeo.
That's all they want. They don't care about anything. They
don't know about any of these stuff. These are not
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intellectually curious people people. These are not highly successful people.
Look at their backgrounds before they go onto city council.
Not a one of them has ever done anything. Back
to Baby Jessica, so headline was baby Jessica arrested for
domestic abuse. Domestic violence so she'd beaten up her man,
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apparently reminder. Jessica McClure now Morales born March twenty sixth,
nineteen eighty six, widely known as Baby Jessica, eighteen months
later when she fell into a well in her aunt's
backyard in Midland, Texas, on October fourteenth, nineteen eighty seven,
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at the age of eighteen months. Over the next fifty
eight hours, rescuers worked to free her from the eight
inch well casing.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's a little bit of well casing.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I mean, she would like a stuffed sausage sliding down
that thing, but gravity, I mean she had to work
to get in there, about twenty two feet below grade.
The story garnered national attention, with the Big three television
networks broadcasting her rescue live. A nineteen eighty nine ABC
television movie was made about the events Everybody's Baby, the
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rescue of Jessica McClure. The incident occurred in Midland, Texas,
where fireman and Popo developed a plan to drill a
parallel shaft to the well where Jessica was lodged and
drill another horizontal cross tunnel to rescue her. I don't
think that came from the cops and firefighters. I think
that came from somebody in the oil and gas business
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who said, Hey, here's what we'll do in a situation
like this, just like we're trying to pull, you know,
all from a well or water, We'll use horizon, a
horizontal line, will drill down, parallel shaft, drill over, pull
her over to the shaft that's big enough we can
get her out.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
If you're you're right, If you're going to all into
a hole and need to get rescued like this, you
don't want that to be in Vermont. You want that
to be in Midland, Texas. You call up some dude
named Skeeter or Red. Hey, we got a we got
this officer John here down to middle of the police department.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, what's going on? We got a little girl?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
She fell into an eight inch wide wellcasing, and she's
twenty two feet down.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
She's eighteen months old.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
We're trying to figure out how to get her out.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Call Bobby and Tommy probably ought to bring Tony in
on this. Tell them we're gonna drill a horizontal well
two feet wide. We'll get down twenty four feet, stand up,
and we'll do a horizontal well. I'll be there in
a minute. And Honey, put my food back in the microwave.
I got to go save this little girl. That's how
that happened. Enlisting the help of local oil drillers, officials
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hope to free mc flu her quickly, but they then
discovered that the well was surrounded by rock. The rescuers
jackhammers were also inadequate, as they were designed for downward
rather than horizontal drilling. A mining engineer eventually arrived to
help supervise and coordinate the rescue effort, and a relatively
new technology, water jet cutting, was.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Used to cut through the rock.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Because of course you got to punch through the rock
into the well casing, but not hit her, So I
guess you probably go in above her right. Forty five
hours After Jessica fell into the well, the adjacent shaft
and cross tunnel were complete. During the drilling, rescuers could
hear Jessica singing Winnie the Pooh. Now, if that doesn't
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hit you, A roofing contractor Ron Short volunteered to go
down the shaft. He had been born without collarbones. Finally
that came into play. Who will we putting down the shaft? Well,
nobody because you're collarboning? Hold on, I was born without
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a collarbone. I mean that's a real skill le like
not having a gag reflex. He could collapse his shoulders
to work in tight confines. The team considered his offer,
but ultimately emt. Paramedic Robert O'Donnell was the one who
descended the shaft, inching his way into the tunnel and
resting Jessica free from her position. Pendings out of the
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well with one leg above her forehead. You got to
figure that dude's like, this is the one chance I
had to be famous from not having collar bones, and
y'all send O'Donnell down there. He's going to get down
there and get stuck. Well, it turns out that one
of her feet was above her head and caused all
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sorts of problems. They thought they were going to have
to take off the entire foot, but they only had
to remove one toe.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
She's now been arrested for domestic violence.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
That story that you need a feel good story like that, right,
you need a good feel good. She's been arrested for
domestic violence with the same fallow morales once before, and
now she's been arrested for beating the snot out of
him again. When asked about the charges, she said, oh, well,
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you're listening.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
To Michael Barry.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Shoud Lifeless Eyes, Black Eyes Like.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
A Dolls, recorded by Ernest Tubb in nineteen forty one.
Critic David Vinipaul called Walking the Floor Over You the
first honky tonk song that launched the musical genre itself.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
He would later record the song.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
In nineteen seventy nine with Merle Haggard and Charlie Daniels.
You know, for all the people who quote Hank Senior
as the godfather of the grandfather of country music, a
lot of people only say that because they've heard other
people say it. So that's how you issue your credentials,
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That's how you display your credentials. As you say Hank
Senior was the greatest, but they don't really know. They
don't know what came before him. They haven't studied what
was happening at that time. They haven't studied the influence
he had. They just heard people say it, and so
it becomes kind of one of those things that people
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just repeat and it makes it true. Et had at
least at least as much influence on country music as
we know it, or came to know it years later,
not the country music we know today. He had at
least as much influence as as Hank Senior. And there
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are a few more. If we're on the subject, sort
of a sad story. It's amazing how often you find
these sad stories out of something like this when you
dig into it.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
How often a lottery winner ends up broke, For.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Instance, a hero's fame leads to tragedy, helping to pull
little Jessica McClure from a Texas well made firefighter, Robert
O'Donnell a star, but the limelight soon turned to darkness.
Story by Jesse Katz, May twenty fourth, nineteen ninety five. Midland, Texas,
slumped in front of the TV, Robert O'Donnell watched the
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images flash by, like his own life on rapid rewind.
Weary firefighters, wounded babies, a harrowing race against the clock.
The scene happened to be in Oklahoma City, but it
was all too familiar, a traumatic reminder of the starring
role O'Donnell once played in another rescue that touched the
nation's heart.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Seven years earlier.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
In what remains one of the top rated news events
in television history, the slender paramedic wriggled down an underground shaft,
freeing tiny Jessica McClure after fifty eight fret ffe hours
in a West Texas well overnight, he went from small
town firemen to American hero. The White House saluted him,
Hollywood besieged him. I've saved other people's lives before, he
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told People magazine. But there'll never be nothing like this again.
For O'Donnell, there wasn't. When the media's restless eye moved on,
his life appeared to freeze in time. Family members and
friends say his identity forever cemented by the fifteen minutes
of fame that branded him as baby Jessica's rescuer. Long
before the footage of Oklahoma City brought it all back.
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O'Donnell had come to see the limelight as a curse
and not a blessing, a blinding glare that undermined his marriage,
crippled him with migraines, and hastened his departure from the
Midland Fire Department amid allegations of prescription drug abuse. When
those rescuers are through, they're going to need lots of help,
he told his mother as they watched search crews hunt
for survivors in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. I
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don't mean for a couple of days or weeks, but
for years. On April twenty third, four days after the bombing,
o'donald drove across the darkened prairie of his family's ranch
and stuck a shotgun to his head. He was thirty
seven and the father of two boys, ages ten and fourteen.
I'm sorry to check out this way, he scrawled on
a on a paper found in his pickup truck.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
But life sucks.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It may be that o'donnald's death is nothing more than
a sad PostScript to an otherwise inspiring story, one still
commemorated with the Midland Community Spirit Award. Bestowed each year
by the Chamber of Commerce to a US city that
rallies against hardship. But the downward spiral that o'donnald traveled
is also a cautionary tale, an anatomy of the pressure
is faced by all emergency workers, especially when their efforts
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capture the fancy of a public.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Hungry for real life heroes.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
What seems clear, according to those close to o'donnelld, is
that he suffered from some form of post traumatic stress disorder,
usually associated with combat veterans, but increasingly a concern in
times of disaster. Anyway, the story is about how he
struggled after that with prescription pain pills. I just finished
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yesterday a podcast I mentioned several weeks ago, but I
had moved to some other things in between, called Hooked,
and I highly recommend it to you. It's an Apple podcast.
It's a fellow named Josh Dean. I don't think we
vote for the same presidential candidates. I can just tell
by his storytelling style. It's produced by a group called
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Campside Media, and it's about a guy named Anthony Hathaway maybe.
And Anthony Hathaway is a twenty two year Boeing employee.
He started as a as a designer, and they elevated
him to a position, an engineering position. He was making
really good money, had a wife and two kids. And
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he's playing hockey out in the parking lot and falls
and hurts his back. He's prescribed oxy cotton. Before you
know it, he's hooked on oxy cotton, which, before you judge,
is a very easy thing to do and a very
common thing to do. I've known people who were very stable,
good decision makers, veterans, leaders, successful people, marathoners. They got
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prescribed oxy cotton, and it is a battle. And when
he couldn't get more oxy cotton counting, he turned to heroin.
When the heroin became too expensive, which it does pretty fast,
and he couldn't pay them by the heroin on his
Boeing salary.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
He lost be first, he lost his job. No he didn't.
He didn't lose a job.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
He starts robbing banks to get more money to buy
more heroin. He robs thirty banks, never gets caught, doesn't
use a gun, but that doesn't make it okay, and
his life spirals and it's the parallel story is the
story of the Sackler family and oxy cont and heroin
addiction and a number of deaths from overdose and the
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trail of tears behind that drug. It's it's really tragic
because I've watched good people get hooked.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
America.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Maybe Jessica Jessica McClure.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
In two thousand and six, she married Daniel Morales at
the Church of Christ in No Trees, Texas. That's funny name,
About forty miles from Midland. They met at a daycare
center where she worked with his sister. They have two children,
a son born and o seven and a daughter born
in nine. When she turned twenty five on March twenty sixth,
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two thousand and eleven, she received a trust fund, initially
composed of some one point two million dollars in donations
during her infancy. She discussed using the funds for her
children's college and to purchase her home. In other words,
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she bought heroin. Well that's usually what I'm gonna use
this for my children so they can have a nice
future and some good stuff. Cameras are off three minutes later,
hitting heroin too many times, too many times. It is
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I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I don't have no reason to believe that's the case.
I hope that's not the case.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But she did note that the fund lost much of
its most lost much of its value during the two
thousand and eight financial crisis. Well, yes, while that's true,
unless you were yanking the money out, you still own
that number of shares. Doubt you were invested in Lehman Brothers.
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And if you write, if you let that thing ride
for a while, those shares did come back, that's a
that's an odd thing to say. Twenty two years before
the financial crisis of eight, you had twenty two years
for that thing to run. I called my friends over
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at stefel My Financial Advisors and asked them using October first,
nineteen eighty seven through March first, twenty eleven, using a
beginning value of one point two million, that's how much
was put into the fund.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
If they rolled three month.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
T bills with an average return of four point two percent,
the ending value would be three point one million. So
the most conservative investment she should have ended up with
three point one million dollars in in what did I say?
Twenty eleven? If someone put that trust fund entire Corpus
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into the S and P five hundred at an average
return of nine percent, the ending value would be nine
point two million. That's a little aggressive, but you figure
she had something between three million and nine point two million,
even taking into account the two thousand and eight financial crisis.
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I mean, I don't know about you, bless that's a
pretty good chunk of change to be handed when you're
twenty five for having fallen in a hole twenty four
years ago. I mean, I'm just saying she didn't do anything.
Strikes me that the fundraiser should have been for the firefighter, right,
He's the one suffered through all this. He's the one
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risked his life. She didn't risk her life. She had
a little baby, she didn't know any better. God bless her.
But it made people feel good to contribute. And I
don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think that's
a wonderful thing. And I hope she stopped beating up
her husband. She stops beating up her husband, because that's
probably not gonna that's probably gonna cut into whatever was
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left of the fund. When do you think, so, yeah,
that's probably not good. It's amazing when you study these things,
how often bad things end up coming to someone like that.
Life ends up being a lot harder for that part.
Or maybe bad things just come to people period. Maybe
life's just tough. Hugo Kintonia. You're on the Michael Berry Show.
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Go ahead, hey man, good morning, Yes sir, how you
doing good?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
How are you gonna commend something about these people don't
support eyes what we don't want to attend. They illegal?
I don't get it. I watched illegal tool fifty years
ago when I got here. Hey, nobody giving me anything.
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I work on my life. That's my duty, work and
make this country great. Follow the rule. Don't do something
you're gonna regret all your life in the stay inside
the law. That was my third and I work forty
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five years on a company till I retire. And I
don't get it why people never complain about bid them
didn't do nothing for four years, and they complained about
our president every day for the last year in the half.
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I don't get it, Mike. I use don't get it.
I'm used kind of. I think all dinosaur, you know,
but I just wanna say thank you to you God.
They do and keep doing what you're doing in forminos
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was right and what's wrong. That's that's my call, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Hugo Ramon tells me you called us a year ago?
Is that right? Yes?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yes, I think I remember, well, I remember. Probably you don't.
You have many people talking to you. But you know,
I'm one kind of man that I never been on
a boat room. I never been on a concert. I
don't know how to play pool. I was working all
my life till I retire.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
What did you do.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Well working on a paper box company name International Paper?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
And what did you do for them?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Uh? Well, I started sweeping the floor a long time ago.
Then I moved all the way to the office see
as a plan, as a scheduler. But I don't like that,
because you gotta be you things you.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Don't believe on it.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
So I say, no, man, give me my job back,
which is run this machine.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
They put me back on my machine and I until
I retire. I used, don't lie that you gotta do
things go against your beliefs just because you know you
don't wanna be from all to something. I just don't
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believe that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Where are you from.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Them?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
On the way? Okay, how did you come here?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I come here because I got married and I got
to work. No. Used to be on the school in
Mexico under lower school. I got to and I hat
used to become a liar when I get you come
here to the USA.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Hold on a second, gogle, can you hold with me? Yeah, okay, hold.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
On, I sort slop Michael Berry show.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
So the boys over Stifel ran the numbers from me
on if Baby Jessica got one point two million after
she was pulled from the hole in eighty seven, and
she collected on it on her twenty fifth birthday in
March twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But they ran the stock.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
They sent the S and P five hundred return year
by year. And I know you know this, but I
don't like when people use vernacular in terms that I
don't necessarily know what it means, and and it leaves
me out of the conversation. Like when gear guys, you
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know that was a straight six four forty two, you
know whatever else run out of terminology, but they use
engine sizes or gun calibers or whatever else, and you
have the basics down, but you don't have any idea
what they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Planes. There's all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
The SNP is the standard and pores and that is
the five hundred stocks that are kind of the most
widely traded.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So this is the index kind of the.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
The market itself, all right, So this is year end
stock market returns, so you get a little sense of
the volatility here. For October first, through the end of
that year, it was down twenty two percent, so that
one point two million was worth less when it was
dropped in than on January first. Then in nineteen sixty
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eight it was up sixteen point sixty percent, so it
almost completely recovered. But then in nineteen eighty nine it
was up thirty one percent. Nineteen ninety eight just dropped
three percent, and then it goes on a run nineteen
eighty one thirty percent, ninety two seven and a half percent,
ninety three ten percent, ninety four one percent, ninety five
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thirty eight percent, ninety six twenty three percent, ninety seven
thirty four percent, thirty three percent, ninety eight twenty nine percent,
ninety nine twenty one percent. Her investment was way up
by nineteen ninety nine. Of course, she's not twenty five yet,
she can't pull it out. Then in two thousand it
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lost nine percent, two thousand and one twelve percent, two
thousand and two twenty two percent. Starting two thousand and three,
it goes back up again twenty nine percent, eleven percent,
five percent, sixteen percent, six five percent, and then down
thirty seven percent in O eight, So she lost presumably
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a third assuming she was in treasuries. If she was
invested in the market, she lost a third. But in
two thousand and nine it's up twenty six percent, twenty ten,
it's up fifteen percent, twenty eleven. By March the three
month first three months up five and a half percent.
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So I don't think two thousand and eight is the
reason she doesn't have anything left of her investment fund.
You're trying to make an excuse there. It strikes me
the S and P value if she if that money
during that time, would be eight point four million.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
The treasury bill.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Value, probably the safest thing you could do, would be
three million, two point nine seventy nine. So the S
and P five hundred advantage during that period of time
was five point five million. So just gives you a
a a bit of an idea of stock market versus
Treasury bill during that particular run, you would have invested
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in port bellies because you could eat them if nothing else.
Y'all don't say anything to him, but it being my
wife's birthday. There's several of us families that are on
a group chat, and the ladies started sending around, Hey,
it's not Nita's birthday. We got to take her to
do this, We got take her to do this, We
take her to do this. And my wife said, why
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don't we get the families together and have dinner tonight,
and because all the ladies work out, maybe we could
do something physical if nothing else, will go for a
walk around Memorial Park.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Basically saying, all you lazy dads.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
You know, that's the minimal physical thing she figured would
be willing to do, and then we'd have dinner. And
a friend of mine, Stephanie Cockrell, said, of her husband,
Ernie can't join.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He's on crutches. Oh he's on crutches. What's wrong?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
So in about two minutes, he's wishing she had never
brought this up because he knows this is going to
bring ridicule for me. She says, he tore his hamstring,
and my wife said, Michael Torre's hamstring twenty years ago,
and he won't stop talking about it, to which I
reminded the group in case they didn't know. So the
worst hamstring I've ever heard of. I'm just glad it
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happened to me because it would have taken out lesser men. Yeah.
So apparently Ernie Cockrel is on crutches over a hamstring pull.
I won't tell y'all what I'm going to tell him
when I get hold of him, but there will be
grief to be shared. If anybody else needs to share
it with him, You're welcome, hugo.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So when you came here from Mona, Ray want that right?
Did you come with your parents? How did you actually
arrive in the United States?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Are you guys? He would by my saf Then my
father said my wife back on nineteen seventy seven from
pilingclin in a plane with no papers. Mic Oh wow,
Well my father used to know a lot of people
around there, immigration officers.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
And how and why did you come to Houston.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Because I got some relatives here, but not on my brothers.
Yousters father and mother they go to live in Mexico.
I had some cousins.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And did you eventually apply for citizenship?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Did you get did you get a green car, residency, citizenship,
all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yes, I got it through the omnisty back on nineteen
eighty or nineteen ninety something like that. I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I think it was eighty two. But did you did you?
Did you?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
So you applied at that time? How long was it
before you got your citizenship?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Years? But I got here in nineteen seventy seven, Okay.
I got here when they were building the six stent Mike.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Stop, Oh yeah, yeah, okay, is that the year they
built it? Okay? Did you work on that project?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
No? No, no, man, I I you know I got
a little education. I wasn't. It's no easy, respect to nobody.
So I was looking for something stable, right. I don't
want to be here to be million.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Now.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
You want something to feed my family and give me
good benefits?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
And I find that on that company international paper.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I didn't know if you went to work there immediately
and your wife came here with you from Mexico.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Yes, he was eighteen.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I was twenty two, and that was fifty years ago,
so you're seventy.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Two, yeah, close to okay? And kids? You have children?
I got too too many to me? And what are
their names?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
It's Rockie and Cuba Junior.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And what do they do?
Speaker 5 (31:09):
They stay at home? Man? They don't want to work,
they just want to be playing. Well, I want to
chase this with you. With you see I was working
too much right that I told you. And I never
pay attention to my kids when they were growing up.
And when our fathers don't take care of his kids,
kids are gonna do whatever they want to do. Don't
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say in their bad kids. You know they good kids,
but they they use see me and say, we don't
want to be like human
It's that time time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
So Michael Verie Show is on.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
The air, and I made my notes.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I made two columns and I wrote it down incorrectly.
Alejandra Selenas is not one of the good guys. Alejandra
Selenas is one of the three idiots on city Council
that doesn't want the Houston Police Department to hand over
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illegal aliens to ICE when they apprehend them. And I'm
going to tell you this, Pollard, Caymans and Salinas, one
of these son of a bitches is going to do
something horrible and an HPD officer will have not handed
them over to ICE. And I am going to hound
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you daily about it because it's your fault because you
don't want the law enforced because you want to play
little political games. And I hope to God, God hope
it to be the case that the next illegal alien
that commits a murder it be someone you know, I
don't wish for them to commit murders.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I wonder if you do.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I don't wish for them to commit murders, but we
know it's going to happen. We know that they're not
sending their best, we know that we're getting the trash
of third world countries, and we know we're getting the
pedophiles and human traffickers and sex traffickers and drug traffickers
and murderers and assassins and frauds, and you people have
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been allowed to get away with it for too long.
So when it happens, just know when it happened. But
you play your little political games you play. I understand it.
You've got to play your little political games. I'm not
mad at.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You for that. I get it.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That's what your party is all about. And you don't
have the leadership to step outside that. You do what
you're told. So none of these people, none of them
know what they stand for, what they believe, or why
they believe it. They're told what the party line is
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and they toe it because they just want to be
an elected office. They want to have people that work
for them to pick up the dry cleaning and drive
them around. They want to be called counsel money or
the honorable. They want to be invited. They want to
get the seats at all the events. They want to
get the rodeo passes, to get free tickets to the rodeo.
That's all they want. They don't care about anything. They
don't know about any of these stuff. These are not
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intellectually curious people people. These are not highly successful people.
Look at their backgrounds before they go onto city council.
Not a one of them has ever done anything. Back
to Baby Jessica, so headline was baby Jessica arrested for
domestic abuse. Domestic violence so she'd beaten up her man,
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apparently reminder. Jessica McClure now Morales born March twenty sixth,
nineteen eighty six, widely known as Baby Jessica, eighteen months
later when she fell into a well in her aunt's
backyard in Midland, Texas, on October fourteenth, nineteen eighty seven,
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at the age of eighteen months. Over the next fifty
eight hours, rescuers worked to free her from the eight
inch well casing.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's a little bit of well casing.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I mean, she would like a stuffed sausage sliding down
that thing, but gravity, I mean she had to work
to get in there, about twenty two feet below grade.
The story garnered national attention, with the Big three television
networks broadcasting her rescue live. A nineteen eighty nine ABC
television movie was made about the events Everybody's Baby, the
(04:15):
rescue of Jessica McClure. The incident occurred in Midland, Texas,
where fireman and Popo developed a plan to drill a
parallel shaft to the well where Jessica was lodged and
drill another horizontal cross tunnel to rescue her. I don't
think that came from the cops and firefighters. I think
that came from somebody in the oil and gas business
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who said, Hey, here's what we'll do in a situation
like this, just like we're trying to pull, you know,
all from a well or water, We'll use horizon, a
horizontal line, will drill down, parallel shaft, drill over, pull
her over to the shaft that's big enough we can
get her out.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
If you're you're right, If you're going to all into
a hole and need to get rescued like this, you
don't want that to be in Vermont. You want that
to be in Midland, Texas. You call up some dude
named Skeeter or Red. Hey, we got a we got
this officer John here down to middle of the police department.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, what's going on? We got a little girl?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
She fell into an eight inch wide wellcasing, and she's
twenty two feet down.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
She's eighteen months old.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
We're trying to figure out how to get her out.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Call Bobby and Tommy probably ought to bring Tony in
on this. Tell them we're gonna drill a horizontal well
two feet wide. We'll get down twenty four feet, stand up,
and we'll do a horizontal well. I'll be there in
a minute. And Honey, put my food back in the microwave.
I got to go save this little girl. That's how
that happened. Enlisting the help of local oil drillers, officials
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hope to free mc flu her quickly, but they then
discovered that the well was surrounded by rock. The rescuers
jackhammers were also inadequate, as they were designed for downward
rather than horizontal drilling. A mining engineer eventually arrived to
help supervise and coordinate the rescue effort, and a relatively
new technology, water jet cutting, was.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Used to cut through the rock.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Because of course you got to punch through the rock
into the well casing, but not hit her, So I
guess you probably go in above her right. Forty five
hours After Jessica fell into the well, the adjacent shaft
and cross tunnel were complete. During the drilling, rescuers could
hear Jessica singing Winnie the Pooh. Now, if that doesn't
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hit you, A roofing contractor Ron Short volunteered to go
down the shaft. He had been born without collarbones. Finally
that came into play. Who will we putting down the shaft? Well,
nobody because you're collarboning? Hold on, I was born without
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a collarbone. I mean that's a real skill le like
not having a gag reflex. He could collapse his shoulders
to work in tight confines. The team considered his offer,
but ultimately emt. Paramedic Robert O'Donnell was the one who
descended the shaft, inching his way into the tunnel and
resting Jessica free from her position. Pendings out of the
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well with one leg above her forehead. You got to
figure that dude's like, this is the one chance I
had to be famous from not having collar bones, and
y'all send O'Donnell down there. He's going to get down
there and get stuck. Well, it turns out that one
of her feet was above her head and caused all
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sorts of problems. They thought they were going to have
to take off the entire foot, but they only had
to remove one toe.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
She's now been arrested for domestic violence.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
That story that you need a feel good story like that, right,
you need a good feel good. She's been arrested for
domestic violence with the same fallow morales once before, and
now she's been arrested for beating the snot out of
him again. When asked about the charges, she said, oh, well,
(08:20):
you're listening.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
To Michael Barry.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Shoud Lifeless Eyes, Black Eyes Like.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
A Dolls, recorded by Ernest Tubb in nineteen forty one.
Critic David Vinipaul called Walking the Floor Over You the
first honky tonk song that launched the musical genre itself.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
He would later record the song.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
In nineteen seventy nine with Merle Haggard and Charlie Daniels.
You know, for all the people who quote Hank Senior
as the godfather of the grandfather of country music, a
lot of people only say that because they've heard other
people say it. So that's how you issue your credentials,
(09:07):
That's how you display your credentials. As you say Hank
Senior was the greatest, but they don't really know. They
don't know what came before him. They haven't studied what
was happening at that time. They haven't studied the influence
he had. They just heard people say it, and so
it becomes kind of one of those things that people
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just repeat and it makes it true. Et had at
least at least as much influence on country music as
we know it, or came to know it years later,
not the country music we know today. He had at
least as much influence as as Hank Senior. And there
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are a few more. If we're on the subject, sort
of a sad story. It's amazing how often you find
these sad stories out of something like this when you
dig into it.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
How often a lottery winner ends up broke, For.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Instance, a hero's fame leads to tragedy, helping to pull
little Jessica McClure from a Texas well made firefighter, Robert
O'Donnell a star, but the limelight soon turned to darkness.
Story by Jesse Katz, May twenty fourth, nineteen ninety five. Midland, Texas,
slumped in front of the TV, Robert O'Donnell watched the
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images flash by, like his own life on rapid rewind.
Weary firefighters, wounded babies, a harrowing race against the clock.
The scene happened to be in Oklahoma City, but it
was all too familiar, a traumatic reminder of the starring
role O'Donnell once played in another rescue that touched the
nation's heart.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Seven years earlier.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
In what remains one of the top rated news events
in television history, the slender paramedic wriggled down an underground shaft,
freeing tiny Jessica McClure after fifty eight fret ffe hours
in a West Texas well overnight, he went from small
town firemen to American hero. The White House saluted him,
Hollywood besieged him. I've saved other people's lives before, he
(11:12):
told People magazine. But there'll never be nothing like this again.
For O'Donnell, there wasn't. When the media's restless eye moved on,
his life appeared to freeze in time. Family members and
friends say his identity forever cemented by the fifteen minutes
of fame that branded him as baby Jessica's rescuer. Long
before the footage of Oklahoma City brought it all back.
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O'Donnell had come to see the limelight as a curse
and not a blessing, a blinding glare that undermined his marriage,
crippled him with migraines, and hastened his departure from the
Midland Fire Department amid allegations of prescription drug abuse. When
those rescuers are through, they're going to need lots of help,
he told his mother as they watched search crews hunt
for survivors in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. I
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don't mean for a couple of days or weeks, but
for years. On April twenty third, four days after the bombing,
o'donald drove across the darkened prairie of his family's ranch
and stuck a shotgun to his head. He was thirty
seven and the father of two boys, ages ten and fourteen.
I'm sorry to check out this way, he scrawled on
a on a paper found in his pickup truck.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
But life sucks.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It may be that o'donnald's death is nothing more than
a sad PostScript to an otherwise inspiring story, one still
commemorated with the Midland Community Spirit Award. Bestowed each year
by the Chamber of Commerce to a US city that
rallies against hardship. But the downward spiral that o'donnald traveled
is also a cautionary tale, an anatomy of the pressure
is faced by all emergency workers, especially when their efforts
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capture the fancy of a public.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Hungry for real life heroes.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
What seems clear, according to those close to o'donnelld, is
that he suffered from some form of post traumatic stress disorder,
usually associated with combat veterans, but increasingly a concern in
times of disaster. Anyway, the story is about how he
struggled after that with prescription pain pills. I just finished
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yesterday a podcast I mentioned several weeks ago, but I
had moved to some other things in between, called Hooked,
and I highly recommend it to you. It's an Apple podcast.
It's a fellow named Josh Dean. I don't think we
vote for the same presidential candidates. I can just tell
by his storytelling style. It's produced by a group called
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Campside Media, and it's about a guy named Anthony Hathaway maybe.
And Anthony Hathaway is a twenty two year Boeing employee.
He started as a as a designer, and they elevated
him to a position, an engineering position. He was making
really good money, had a wife and two kids. And
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he's playing hockey out in the parking lot and falls
and hurts his back. He's prescribed oxy cotton. Before you
know it, he's hooked on oxy cotton, which, before you judge,
is a very easy thing to do and a very
common thing to do. I've known people who were very stable,
good decision makers, veterans, leaders, successful people, marathoners. They got
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prescribed oxy cotton, and it is a battle. And when
he couldn't get more oxy cotton counting, he turned to heroin.
When the heroin became too expensive, which it does pretty fast,
and he couldn't pay them by the heroin on his
Boeing salary.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
He lost be first, he lost his job. No he didn't.
He didn't lose a job.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
He starts robbing banks to get more money to buy
more heroin. He robs thirty banks, never gets caught, doesn't
use a gun, but that doesn't make it okay, and
his life spirals and it's the parallel story is the
story of the Sackler family and oxy cont and heroin
addiction and a number of deaths from overdose and the
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trail of tears behind that drug. It's it's really tragic
because I've watched good people get hooked.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
America.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Maybe Jessica Jessica McClure.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
In two thousand and six, she married Daniel Morales at
the Church of Christ in No Trees, Texas. That's funny name,
About forty miles from Midland. They met at a daycare
center where she worked with his sister. They have two children,
a son born and o seven and a daughter born
in nine. When she turned twenty five on March twenty sixth,
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two thousand and eleven, she received a trust fund, initially
composed of some one point two million dollars in donations
during her infancy. She discussed using the funds for her
children's college and to purchase her home. In other words,
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she bought heroin. Well that's usually what I'm gonna use
this for my children so they can have a nice
future and some good stuff. Cameras are off three minutes later,
hitting heroin too many times, too many times. It is
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I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I don't have no reason to believe that's the case.
I hope that's not the case.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But she did note that the fund lost much of
its most lost much of its value during the two
thousand and eight financial crisis. Well, yes, while that's true,
unless you were yanking the money out, you still own
that number of shares. Doubt you were invested in Lehman Brothers.
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And if you write, if you let that thing ride
for a while, those shares did come back, that's a
that's an odd thing to say. Twenty two years before
the financial crisis of eight, you had twenty two years
for that thing to run. I called my friends over
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at stefel My Financial Advisors and asked them using October first,
nineteen eighty seven through March first, twenty eleven, using a
beginning value of one point two million, that's how much
was put into the fund.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
If they rolled three month.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
T bills with an average return of four point two percent,
the ending value would be three point one million. So
the most conservative investment she should have ended up with
three point one million dollars in in what did I say?
Twenty eleven? If someone put that trust fund entire Corpus
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into the S and P five hundred at an average
return of nine percent, the ending value would be nine
point two million. That's a little aggressive, but you figure
she had something between three million and nine point two million,
even taking into account the two thousand and eight financial crisis.
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I mean, I don't know about you, bless that's a
pretty good chunk of change to be handed when you're
twenty five for having fallen in a hole twenty four
years ago. I mean, I'm just saying she didn't do anything.
Strikes me that the fundraiser should have been for the firefighter, right,
He's the one suffered through all this. He's the one
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risked his life. She didn't risk her life. She had
a little baby, she didn't know any better. God bless her.
But it made people feel good to contribute. And I
don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think that's
a wonderful thing. And I hope she stopped beating up
her husband. She stops beating up her husband, because that's
probably not gonna that's probably gonna cut into whatever was
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left of the fund. When do you think, so, yeah,
that's probably not good. It's amazing when you study these things,
how often bad things end up coming to someone like that.
Life ends up being a lot harder for that part.
Or maybe bad things just come to people period. Maybe
life's just tough. Hugo Kintonia. You're on the Michael Berry Show.
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Go ahead, hey man, good morning, Yes sir, how you
doing good?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
How are you gonna commend something about these people don't
support eyes what we don't want to attend. They illegal?
I don't get it. I watched illegal tool fifty years
ago when I got here. Hey, nobody giving me anything.
(19:55):
I work on my life. That's my duty, work and
make this country great. Follow the rule. Don't do something
you're gonna regret all your life in the stay inside
the law. That was my third and I work forty
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five years on a company till I retire. And I
don't get it why people never complain about bid them
didn't do nothing for four years, and they complained about
our president every day for the last year in the half.
(20:41):
I don't get it, Mike. I use don't get it.
I'm used kind of. I think all dinosaur, you know,
but I just wanna say thank you to you God.
They do and keep doing what you're doing in forminos
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was right and what's wrong. That's that's my call, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Hugo Ramon tells me you called us a year ago?
Is that right? Yes?
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yes, I think I remember, well, I remember. Probably you don't.
You have many people talking to you. But you know,
I'm one kind of man that I never been on
a boat room. I never been on a concert. I
don't know how to play pool. I was working all
my life till I retire.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
What did you do.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Well working on a paper box company name International Paper?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
And what did you do for them?
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Uh? Well, I started sweeping the floor a long time ago.
Then I moved all the way to the office see
as a plan, as a scheduler. But I don't like that,
because you gotta be you things you.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Don't believe on it.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
So I say, no, man, give me my job back,
which is run this machine.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
They put me back on my machine and I until
I retire. I used, don't lie that you gotta do
things go against your beliefs just because you know you
don't wanna be from all to something. I just don't
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believe that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Where are you from.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Them?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
On the way? Okay, how did you come here?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I come here because I got married and I got
to work. No. Used to be on the school in
Mexico under lower school. I got to and I hat
used to become a liar when I get you come
here to the USA.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Hold on a second, gogle, can you hold with me? Yeah, okay, hold.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
On, I sort slop Michael Berry show.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
So the boys over Stifel ran the numbers from me
on if Baby Jessica got one point two million after
she was pulled from the hole in eighty seven, and
she collected on it on her twenty fifth birthday in
March twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But they ran the stock.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
They sent the S and P five hundred return year
by year. And I know you know this, but I
don't like when people use vernacular in terms that I
don't necessarily know what it means, and and it leaves
me out of the conversation. Like when gear guys, you
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know that was a straight six four forty two, you
know whatever else run out of terminology, but they use
engine sizes or gun calibers or whatever else, and you
have the basics down, but you don't have any idea
what they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Planes. There's all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
The SNP is the standard and pores and that is
the five hundred stocks that are kind of the most
widely traded.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
So this is the index kind of the.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
The market itself, all right, So this is year end
stock market returns, so you get a little sense of
the volatility here. For October first, through the end of
that year, it was down twenty two percent, so that
one point two million was worth less when it was
dropped in than on January first. Then in nineteen sixty
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eight it was up sixteen point sixty percent, so it
almost completely recovered. But then in nineteen eighty nine it
was up thirty one percent. Nineteen ninety eight just dropped
three percent, and then it goes on a run nineteen
eighty one thirty percent, ninety two seven and a half percent,
ninety three ten percent, ninety four one percent, ninety five
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thirty eight percent, ninety six twenty three percent, ninety seven
thirty four percent, thirty three percent, ninety eight twenty nine percent,
ninety nine twenty one percent. Her investment was way up
by nineteen ninety nine. Of course, she's not twenty five yet,
she can't pull it out. Then in two thousand it
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lost nine percent, two thousand and one twelve percent, two
thousand and two twenty two percent. Starting two thousand and three,
it goes back up again twenty nine percent, eleven percent,
five percent, sixteen percent, six five percent, and then down
thirty seven percent in O eight, So she lost presumably
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a third assuming she was in treasuries. If she was
invested in the market, she lost a third. But in
two thousand and nine it's up twenty six percent, twenty ten,
it's up fifteen percent, twenty eleven. By March the three
month first three months up five and a half percent.
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So I don't think two thousand and eight is the
reason she doesn't have anything left of her investment fund.
You're trying to make an excuse there. It strikes me
the S and P value if she if that money
during that time, would be eight point four million.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
The treasury bill.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Value, probably the safest thing you could do, would be
three million, two point nine seventy nine. So the S
and P five hundred advantage during that period of time
was five point five million. So just gives you a
a a bit of an idea of stock market versus
Treasury bill during that particular run, you would have invested
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in port bellies because you could eat them if nothing else.
Y'all don't say anything to him, but it being my
wife's birthday. There's several of us families that are on
a group chat, and the ladies started sending around, Hey,
it's not Nita's birthday. We got to take her to
do this, We got take her to do this, We
take her to do this. And my wife said, why
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don't we get the families together and have dinner tonight,
and because all the ladies work out, maybe we could
do something physical if nothing else, will go for a
walk around Memorial Park.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Basically saying, all you lazy dads.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
You know, that's the minimal physical thing she figured would
be willing to do, and then we'd have dinner. And
a friend of mine, Stephanie Cockrell, said, of her husband,
Ernie can't join.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He's on crutches. Oh he's on crutches. What's wrong?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
So in about two minutes, he's wishing she had never
brought this up because he knows this is going to
bring ridicule for me. She says, he tore his hamstring,
and my wife said, Michael Torre's hamstring twenty years ago,
and he won't stop talking about it, to which I
reminded the group in case they didn't know. So the
worst hamstring I've ever heard of. I'm just glad it
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happened to me because it would have taken out lesser men. Yeah.
So apparently Ernie Cockrel is on crutches over a hamstring pull.
I won't tell y'all what I'm going to tell him
when I get hold of him, but there will be
grief to be shared. If anybody else needs to share
it with him, You're welcome, hugo.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So when you came here from Mona, Ray want that right?
Did you come with your parents? How did you actually
arrive in the United States?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Are you guys? He would by my saf Then my
father said my wife back on nineteen seventy seven from
pilingclin in a plane with no papers. Mic Oh wow,
Well my father used to know a lot of people
around there, immigration officers.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
And how and why did you come to Houston.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Because I got some relatives here, but not on my brothers.
Yousters father and mother they go to live in Mexico.
I had some cousins.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And did you eventually apply for citizenship?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Did you get did you get a green car, residency, citizenship,
all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yes, I got it through the omnisty back on nineteen
eighty or nineteen ninety something like that. I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I think it was eighty two. But did you did you?
Did you?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
So you applied at that time? How long was it
before you got your citizenship?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Years? But I got here in nineteen seventy seven, Okay.
I got here when they were building the six stent Mike.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Stop, Oh yeah, yeah, okay, is that the year they
built it? Okay? Did you work on that project?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
No? No, no, man, I I you know I got
a little education. I wasn't. It's no easy, respect to nobody.
So I was looking for something stable, right. I don't
want to be here to be million.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Now.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
You want something to feed my family and give me
good benefits?
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
And I find that on that company international paper.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I didn't know if you went to work there immediately
and your wife came here with you from Mexico.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Yes, he was eighteen.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I was twenty two, and that was fifty years ago,
so you're seventy.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Two, yeah, close to okay? And kids? You have children?
I got too too many to me? And what are
their names?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
It's Rockie and Cuba Junior.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And what do they do?
Speaker 5 (31:09):
They stay at home? Man? They don't want to work,
they just want to be playing. Well, I want to
chase this with you. With you see I was working
too much right that I told you. And I never
pay attention to my kids when they were growing up.
And when our fathers don't take care of his kids,
kids are gonna do whatever they want to do. Don't
(31:31):
say in their bad kids. You know they good kids,
but they they use see me and say, we don't
want to be like human
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