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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time time, time, Luck and load. The
Michael Arry Show is on the air. Republican Brandon gil

(00:28):
is the youngest sitting Republican congressman currently in the United States.
Card there are a couple that are young with their
standing Ramon, they're standing out sitting. Yes, a kind of
a pretty boy. Actually have you seen him? You know,
Anthony Asso, that that that that worked on the paston trial,
kind of like that kind of like kind of disturbingly

(00:50):
good looking. You know, you're like, oh, I gotta keep
an eye on that. That makes me nervous. He might
be spending too much time on his hair and nails,
you know what I mean, Just a little too good
looking makes me uncomfortable, makes me look ugly.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
You like the guy when he makes statements like it's
still not illegal to be white.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
When he's being called islamophobic by Zorin Mamdani, Meidi Hassan
and the likes, you know that he's on the right track.
It's what a church will say if you want to know.
If you want to know about a guy, look at
who his enemies are. Look at the people saying really
nasty things about him. That's how you know he's doing

(01:30):
something right. That's how you know he's on the right track.
If a congressman is not being criticized, he is not
doing his job. It is just that simple. He was
recently on our friend On with our friends Clay and
Buck last week, and this was the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
The last people that I want to buy peace for
are the people who broke our laws and shouldn't be
here to begin with. I want to buy peace for
the Americans whose jobs have been taken by illegal aliens,
whose wages have been suppressed by piece for the mothers
whose children who have been slaughtered by fentanyl because we've
had open borders for many years. Those are the people
we ought to be focused on. And we ran an

(02:09):
election last cycle on a platform of mass deportations. And
remember there was nothing subtle about it. We were holding
up mass deportation signs at the RNC as we all remember,
that's how we want.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
That's how we got a trifecta.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
And the president got won the popular vote. So to
turn around and start pushing an amnesty bill, and that's
what this is. This is amnesty plane and simple. The
Digna God Act is a bill that would allow twelve
million illegal aliens who are currently in the United States
and subject to deportation to be given legal status and
stay here. It would hamstering the president's ability to deport

(02:46):
more illegal aliens on top of that, and.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
It would allow illegal aliens who.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Were previously deported under Trump's first administration to come back
into the United States if they meet certain criteria. So
this is a growth esk betrayal of everything we ran on.
I'm kind of shocked we're even talking about it.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
But here we are.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
And that's why I've been fighting so hard to kill
this bill.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Isn't it interesting everything we run on, everything you went on.
Then Republicans immediately when they get in office, the establishment
who opposed that in the first place, said, oh, you
don't want to do that. Do this. Congressman Brandon Gill,
welcome to the first but won't be the last, visit
to our show.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Hey, Michael, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
This dignid odd ad Act, the Dignity Act. Explain to
folks if you would, what exactly that is.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
It is a mass migration bill, it's an amnesty bill.
So what it would do is it would immediately give
amnesty to twelve million illegal aliens who are currently in
the United States. It would also handicap President's ability to
support more illegal aliens, and it would allow some illegal
aliens to pre been deported to come back into the
United States. On top of that, it massively increases legal

(04:06):
immigration by about fifty five percent over the next ten
years and massively increases work visus so we can bring
in more foreign workers who are replacing American jobs. So
this is most at a very fundamental level, a mass
migration bill. It's a build. It has been pushed by
one of my colleagues in the House on the Republican side,

(04:26):
Maria Salazar, who I have had some discussions with and
have been going back and forth with. But this is
exactly the type of thing that we ran against last cycle.
This is everything we railed against, and that's why I've
been so focused on making sure that this bill does
not come up for a vote on the House floor,

(04:47):
does not even make it its way into committee, because
it needs to die.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Why do you think it's who is behind this? Who
are the real forces? Not the face of the congressman,
Who are the real forces behind this?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
The real forces? I think there are a few. One
of them is the cheap labor lobby, which is quite strong,
especially in Washington, d C. You know, you'll hear people talk, well,
the business community wants this bill, the business lobbyists want
this bill. And I say, of course they do. Of
course they want infinity illegal immigration in our into our

(05:23):
country and then to give amnesty to those illegal aliens,
because that is a massive horde of cheap labor. The
more workers are in this country, the less each worker
gets paid, which mean means less labor margin for businesses
and more profits for that. I mean, it's it's really
really simple there. And that that lobbyist is strong in Washington.
I mean that there's an army armies of K Street,

(05:47):
which is the street in Washington where all the lobbyists
tend to congregate of K Street lobbyists who come to
Washington and lobby for this stuff all the time. I think,
on top of that, though, this is a leftists dream.
I mean, the entire political strategy of the left for
the past several decades has been import as many foreigners

(06:10):
as you possibly can through illegal immigration, use those foreigners,
weaponize them to impact congressional apportionment, which is how many congressmen.
Each state gets, which benefits Blue states at the expensive
Red states have unsecure elections so that those illegal aliens
can vote in the meantime, and that creates a political

(06:32):
environment that is much more conducive to Democrats winning elections.
And that's something that Democrats have talked pretty openly about
for a long time. You know, demographics destiny that those
kind of slogans we've heard for a long time that
I think that they're also the big winners. And so
it's a mixture of you know, it's kind of a
bargain between the cheap labor lobby and leftists.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Who would like to see our country socially transformed.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
I'm old enough to give you some advice because you're
a lot younger than me, and you're relatively new, at
least to elected office. You've been doing some things before this,
but I want to commend you and encourage you to continue.
In the middle of your point, you said the K
Street lobbyists, and then you paused and you explained what
that was. I know what that is. You know what
that is, and twenty five percent of our audience knows

(07:21):
what that is. But average everyday workers, housewives, school teacher,
small business owners. They may have they've heard that term,
but they don't know what it means. I think one
of the great disadvantages people have the longer they stay
in public life, and you've only been there a little
over a year as an elected official anyway, is that
they use a vernacular and a code and a jargon

(07:43):
that's a barrier to entry for the average person to
understand and for you to recognize. If I'm going to
make these points and keep the audience with me, I've
got to make sure we're all you know, I have
to step back and go that guy's falling back a little.
Let me bring him up, let me catch him up
with the lange which in what these terms mean. Because
you've already seen in one year enough to blow the

(08:05):
mind of every voter that thinks they know from watching
Fox News or Newsmax, and the extent to which you
can explain that to people is going to make you
very effective. One moment. Brandon Gill is our guest, the

(08:28):
first time Congressman Brandon Gill is our guest. He's only
been in Congress for a year, and he's already making
quite the waves, doing all the right things. Opposing the
efforts of the left. I want to be clear on
what he's saying here. The Democrats are saying, we can't
stop Trump from deporting, then what we'll do is we'll
limit the number of people who are deported. Courage from

(08:51):
Brandon Gill, name names if you like, or give speak
generally if you feel more comfortable. That's up to you
who put pressure on you not to speak out because
you've been a big voice against.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
This, you know, And and that's the that's the interesting thing,
you know. I've there are a handful of Republicans who
support the Dignidad Act, and by the way, that some
of those overlap with the same Republicans who signed a
discharge petition, which a discharge petition is a bill that
would buy it basically forces a vote on the House

(09:23):
floor for a piece of legislation bypassing the speaker, which
we're going to vote on I believe this afternoon and
tomorrow to give effectively give amnesty to Haitian people who
came into the country illegally. It's sort of the same
group there. You know.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
One thing that I will say that I think is.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Encouraging is that a lot most of my colleagues on
the Republican side agree with me on this. The vast
majority of them do. The vast majority of Republican members
of Congress recognize that that immigration it was the single
biggest issue of the last election cycle, more than anything else,
and that to give amnesty to Haitians or to a

(10:04):
categorklely to give amnesty to Haitians, which is crazy, or.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
To do this dignid dot Act.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Would be to spit in the faces of the voters
who elected us. So I've gotten some pushback from a
few of the members who have supported this. You know,
I talked to Maria Salazar on the floor yesterday. I
talked to Mike Lawler, both of them their colleagues. They're friends.
We just vehemently disagree on this issue. But but I'm
going to keep you know, I think that the American

(10:31):
people are with me on this. They don't want amnesty,
they haven't for decades now, and they've been begging Washington
to listen to them, listen to them whenever they say,
we want secure borders, we want our country back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
And I think the problem is, and you've either seen
it or will and I'm sure you have, is a
lot of people will go out and campaign John Cornyn
style that you know, you gotta go, we gotta do this,
we gotta do this. In a minute, they get there,
they didn't mean it, and it's almost laughable to them.
I know you're a member of the Freedom Caucus. You
know that even amongst the Republican elected officials, I think

(11:08):
there's a very small group of people that are actual
true believers in what everybody is out campaigning on.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean in some ways that
if you boil it down, being a good member of
Congress just comes down to doing what you said you
would do on the campaign trail, doing everything you can
to fulfill promises and do what the people want.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
And if you do that, you're going to do a
good job.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's something that my sort of a good friend, Jim Jordan,
always says I that I agree with. But you're right.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
I mean, you brought up a Senator Cornyan.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I mean, he's been a longtime supporter of amnesty. He
you know, focused on that in two thousand and three
and twenty eighteen, and he said that if he's reelected
that amnesty for doctor recipients would be one of his
policy goals. Again, that's something that I think that the
American people simply do not want it. And that's why
that they that's why they elected Republicans last night. Well

(12:07):
gave President Trump the popular vote and gave Republicans a
trifecta and the legislature and then the presidency. But you know,
immigration is the one issue that, more than almost anything else,
touches all parts of American life. Whenever you think about
you know, you go to the hospital and you wait
in a really long line, that's partly because of illegal immigration.

(12:30):
And then you get this insane bill. Well, that's partly
because you're subsidizing healthcare for illegal aliens. Where you think
of the financial viability of social programs in the US,
they're less viable because of illegal immigration. Your roads are
less safe, your schools have more fentanyl in them. I
mean on and I mean I could talk all day
about it. This is an issue we cannot back down on.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
You are absolutely right the hidden costs of illegal immigration.
You know, I'll just add a few to what you said.
You said the emergency rooms in the wait times there
and the cost there. You know, I give you great
example when I was on Houston City Council, the cost
of an ambulance ride was three hundred and fifty dollars,
and people were shocked at the cost at how that

(13:13):
number had kept increasing. And the reason was because something
like eighty five percent of people never paid for their
ambulance ride. So it wasn't the hard cost, the actual
delivery cost. It was that you're paying for the free riders.
And illegal aliens are in large part free riders to
almost everything, every service that is given, they take more
than they give. So you're absolutely right that what we're

(13:34):
doing is subsidizing cheap labor for the US Chamber of Commerce.
And you started your answer in our first segment with
that's the folks that want this, the cheap labor crowd.
It's important to note is not all Democrats. A lot
of these folks, for folks that are John Corn supporters,
a lot of these folks are Mitch McConnell supporters. A
lot of these folks will claim their Republican pro business,
but what they are is cheap labor and big business

(13:57):
and squeezing out the American worker, which is why the
America worker has come over to vote for Trump.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
That's exactly right. I mean, you think about you hear
them talk a lot about we need to be a
big tent party, and in a sense that's right. We
do need to be a big tent party. We need
to welcome the working class into the Republican Party. We
talk all the time about how the Republican Party is
the party of the working class, and it is and
it should be. But do not say that we're the
party of the working class and then turn around and

(14:25):
support amnesty, which, by the way, we'll take American jobs.
We're at a suppress American wages for our workers. If
we're going to be the party of the working class
like we should be, immigration has to be a core
part of the Republican conservative agenda because that is probably,
again the single biggest thing we can do to help

(14:45):
America's working class.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
You know, it's interesting. Brandon gill as our guest. He's
a first term congressman from Texas who is making quite
a splash in Washington, DC, in hearings and in comments
and in statements. What's interesting is none of what you say,
while it is described as being so controversial, is out
of line with what most voters believe. When Daniel Penny

(15:08):
was acquitted in Austin when the mob came after him,
and you said, it's still not a crime to be
white in America. That's the kind of thing I say
every day and people don't even blink. But to hear
where the United States congressmen say that was a bit reassuring,
because it's the sort of thing you simply don't when
you called for ilhan Omar to be deported over illegal
activities and anti American activities. That's the sort of thing

(15:31):
that I think the average American is not surprised by.
But in DC, boy, that's quite shocking.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
And that's the problem, is that there's a disconnect between
what happens in Washington, d C. And what the rest
of the country believes. And that is a disconnect that
we need to fit. So it's our job to fix.
You know, Washington, d C. Is its own sort of
ecosystem here. It's very different from the rest of the

(15:58):
world in the rest of the country. But if we
would just listen to our voters, listen to the people
in the country are saying, is I'm tired of anti
white racism being codified in DEI policies at colleges or
in businesses or anywhere else. I'm tired of my not
getting a raise for eight years because illegal aliens keep

(16:22):
coming into the workforce and they're suppressing the wages. You know.
I'm tired of seeing my tax dollars brand and the
immigration Texas congressman keep up the good work.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Like Lacoberry shop.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yesterday we told the story that baby Jessica had been
arrested for domestic violence. It's the second time that we
know of. I haven't pulled her criminal record, but I'll
bet you there's there's going to be some more things
on that record. And she belittled the money that she
received through no real effort of her own. Nineteen eighty seven,

(17:08):
she crawls down down a well casing and the hero
is the firefighter O'Donnell, who goes down to get her,
you know, crammed into this tight container to get down
in there. He could have died as well. And he
gets her out, and he doesn't get money raised for him.

(17:28):
They raised the money for the little girl, which is
kind of crazy. He ends up taking his own life
because the stress of the I guess the adrenaline rush
the PTSD related to that whole experience you know, when
someone goes from average everyday guy to overnight rockstar. I

(17:52):
think that's very traumatic on them. But many times there
is a special kind of I don't want to use
a word trauma. I don't want to overuse word trauma.
There is a difficulty that is experienced by going back
to average, everyday life. I believe, in fact, I've been
told by a number of veterans that one of the

(18:16):
factors that plays into PTSD is like a drug addiction.
You sign up for action. You want to go kick
some Irani ass and go kick Osam bin Lan's ass.
So you go over into the desert into a world

(18:37):
that is unlike anything you've ever entered. And it's not
that anything goes, but you're very alert and alive, and
you're going into war with these guys that you didn't
know before. But y'all share the mission. You have a
shared desire to survive and to take out your enemy.

(18:57):
Imagine how alive you feel, you Imagine imagine how alive
you feel at that moment. They talk about the smells.
You can smell death, you can smell gunpowder, you can
smell things that you can smell danger. They talk about
your hearing, and then they talk about how your hearing

(19:20):
will go completely silent, the intensity of colors. That's a drug.
It's a drug from within your own body that is released,
an adrenaline of the highest order that none of us
will ever see unless we're attacked by a bear maybe.

(19:42):
And then they come home and they struggle with what
used to be the normal, everyday tasks of life, going
to the grocery store, waiting in line, the lady in
front is complaining that the person in front of her
has eleven items and the ten item in their mind,
or the person who's screaming and hollering over someone cutting

(20:03):
them off in traffic. Now, all of a sudden, you
can't just dismiss that anymore. Your mind has changed, you
have physically changed as a result of that. It's a
fascinating phenomenon, really fascinating phenomenon. So yesterday we told you

(20:25):
the story about baby Jessica beating up her husband again,
getting arrested again, and I received an email from one
of my favorite listener emails and he says, are, first
of all, you glossed right over baby Jessica missing a
toe and didn't even mention Uncle Jerry's pinky toe. I

(20:49):
thought for sure that was going to make an appearance. Well,
I did kind of mention it, but her foot, apparently,
I'm not sure how she was in there, but apparently
her foot. They thought she was going to have to
lose her entire foot, but they were able to use
a cutting edge treatment at the time such that they

(21:10):
were able to save the foot and only remove one toe.
And that is true. I did not get too deep
into that conversation. I've since read about it. I still
don't understand what was happening with the foot and what
had happened, how that happened. Something about the foot was

(21:30):
up above the head, so I guess the blood drained
out of it. I don't know. But they were happy
that they only had to remove the foot, the toe
and not the foot. So that is true, And that
is a good mention of Uncle Jerry's pinky toe. And
for anyone wondering, Uncle Jerry is healthier than he's been
for those of you who've known him in probably seven years.

(21:51):
He can stand on his feet much longer than he could.
He had so many problems. He had a bone spur
under the bottom of his foot that was pushing through
and it would open up to a wound, and he
was in a boot. In saw Uncle Jerry for the
last three almost five years, knew he was always in
a boot and it drove him crazy. Now he's back
in regular shoes. He's doing great, and I am delighted

(22:17):
by that. This listener, Jay, who continues my cousin's lived
in Midland at the time this happened, talking about Baby Jessica,
and they said that the movie was changed to portray
Baby Jessica's dad being at work on a construction site
when they gave him the news about his daughter, but

(22:39):
in reality, he was in the Midland County lockup. Apparently
the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Well that's
quite a different story now, isn't it. You're making the
movie and you want her to be as sympathetic as possible,

(23:00):
So we have to account for where the parents are
that weren't watching her when she crawled into the hole
that required the nation to come to her aid, where's
her dad? Why is okay? Mom's got an excuse? Why
isn't dad drafted in? Well, Dad's in jail. So now

(23:22):
Baby Jessica has grown up. It maybe not as stable
as circumstances as we would like. She's burned through all
the cash, the millions of dollars. Daddy was a convict,
and now we find out that she beats her men badly.
It appears that falling down that well left her with
deep scars. And I don't just mean the physical kind, now, Jessica,

(23:44):
I swear I was gonna do the fishes. I just
got hold of it. That's thinkful. Plates look like a
deep dark well. I panicked I needed light. A plate shifted.
I heard it whisper my name, baby, Jessica, did you say, late,
don't whisper?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
That's what they want you to think, it said Jessica
returned to the darkness, and I said, not today's ceramic demon.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
So your solution is what domestic violence?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I panicked.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
The darkness was rising. My goodness, baby, Jessica, could you say,
I'm just saying. We have seventeen night lights. The house
looks like a runway at an airport. They only make
this shadows stronger. So you grabbed a baseball bat. He
swung at me like I owed you money. You do
owe me forty seven unwashed sports.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
This whole house is just one big dish waiting to
be cleaned.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
What is that even mean? It means rinse your soul? Greg,
I'm over all of it. You're well done, sake always
asking for beef Wellington jezuro I even closed the encounter
as well, fargo.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
To the men. They're all duncans, and you know duncan
means your yo.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
They never seen that movie where Michael Berry played this
year for Nottingham and his wife. I think she pleaded
that woman called Lady Goodyfer. Come to think of it,
I'm not sure that was a movie. I think I
had dreamed that girl.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
You stupid? What medication you are? None of your business?

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Democrats have been meddling in Houston city politics, so much
so that they made the City of Houston ineligible for
funds related to carrying out HPD's many functions because they
refuse by voter city Council, which will be reconsidered on Friday,

(26:00):
to issue to hand over illegals with a detainer on
them to ice. Talk about a threat to democracy, refusing
to enforce federal laws. And by the way, they're not
refusing to enforce federal laws on any sort of principle.
These are bad guys to start with. But now Rodney ellis,

(26:22):
who I suspect is one putting all these folks up
to that wants the county to do exactly the same.
Surprise Surprise says he will bring it up on Commissioner's
Court at Commissioner's Court tomorrow, and his way to force
them to adhere to this policy, because the sheriff is
independently elected, his way to force them to adhere to

(26:44):
the policy. Rumor is that he would push to defund
the Sheriff's Department, which while the sheriff is independently elected,
the department is funded by the county government. And so
he would have his little puppet, his little stooge, Lena
hid All Go, and he and he would only need

(27:05):
one of the remaining three votes. Ramsey wouldn't do it.
Ramsey's our stalwart on County Commission's Court, but Brioni's who
he put there, probably get Brioni's to do that. Adrian
Garcia would probably be too wise not to do that.
He's not a complete idiot. He'd probably be too smart
to vote for that. But Rodney owns Lena hid Allgo,

(27:28):
and he could probably talk Leslie Brioni's into it, since
he's the one who put her there. You know, it's
it's an interesting thing that's happening. You're going to notice
it happening. The the mayoral election will occur faster than
you can then you would expect, and that will be
next calendar year, So that election will begin in earnest

(27:51):
this fall and early the next spring, so about the
time we're voting in the mid terms, the campaigns for
city council and mayoral campaigns will be in full swing.
Used to you couldn't raise money until February twenty second,

(28:11):
I think of the year of the election, so early February,
so they will have all their donors lined up to
write the checks on day one, so you immediately have
cash and in the campaign account if you don't have
anything to roll over. But really that campaign has begun already.
Ed Pollard wants to be the next mayor, and so

(28:33):
everything they are doing is to undercut Whitmyar in next
year's election because Whitmar's running for reelection. That's not that interesting.
I was a city councilor who ran against who was
running for mayor. While I was on city Council's that's atypical.
Orlando Sanchez did that, Chris Bell did that. We've seen

(28:54):
that a number of times. What we hadn't seen is
what's going on behind the scenes. And this is to
help you understand what's happening. You have to rewind a
few decades. John Whitmyer was elected to the State House
in I think seventy two, maybe seventy four, but I
think seventy two. Is a very young man, very young man.

(29:16):
I think he might have been twenty one or twenty
when he was elected as a state rep And he
served in the House for a number of years, and
then he served in the Senate, and he was always
very proud to tell people he was the Dean of
the Senate. So that even though he was a Democrat
by the nineties, even though he was a Democrat in
a Republican state legislature and a Republican government, he was

(29:40):
well respected because of his seniority and because he wasn't
a flamethrowing Democrat, and the Democrats always wanted to drag
him over to the progressive side, but his natural inclination
was to do business with the Republicans. Let's make good
laws criminal. He was the criminal justice guy and common

(30:00):
sense laws related to criminal justice. Well, Rodney Ellis comes in,
and Ellis's background was he came up through the Mickey
Leland tree and so Rodney Ellis was part of that
group and when and that was the group that was

(30:23):
very involved in kind of this black community power structure,
and that structure is very very exclusive. They handpicked the
next generation Christian Menifie came out of this. Al Green

(30:43):
was actually part of this back in the day. And
they there will be black candidates and even some elected
officials who will go against that power structure, and when
they do, it's a battle royale. But the power structure
always wins. They've got the money, and they've got the

(31:05):
elected officials, and they've got the precinct chairman, and they
know they know how to cheat the vote, and so
that group always wins. Rodney comes into the State Senate
and he doesn't want to be a minority party senator
working on laws. He wants to do bond deals as

(31:27):
a lawyer, travel to Africa and collect art quote unquote
and build a power base. But he also wanted some
national statures. So he wears a wire and a camera
for PBS national public radio or public broadcasting system, and
he walks the floor of the State Senate and he

(31:48):
gets people to cut deals with him as part of
an undercover television show of how bad the State Senate is.
But Rodney doesn't implicate himself in any of those deals
he could have, but of course he doesn't, so like
any good informant, he makes everybody else look bad. That
interview destroyed his relationship with the State Senators, and that

(32:13):
interview was was partly designed to cause harm to Whitmire.
He did other things behind the scenes to bring harm
to Whitmire. Whitmire hates Rodney Ellis. When I tell you
he hates him, I don't mean like you don't like
the guy who works the same shift as you, and
you know you alter your lunch by ten minutes, so

(32:33):
yelln't I mean if given a chance, either of them
would push the other one over the cliff if they
were sure they wouldn't be caught. So Rodney Ellis is.
Rodney Ellis worked very hard to get Sheila Jackson Lee
elected mayor and did some very dirty things that never
made it to the news or the public's attention. That

(32:55):
Whitmyer knows about, and I know about, and other people
inside the process know about, and this whole thing, this
whole issue of splitting the Whitmire knows this is a
terrible thing. This not cooperating with Ice, but dragging him
into a vote and making him vote for it, because
if he didn't, they'd say, oh, he's a Republican. Now

(33:16):
that's Ellis's criticism of Whitmyer. But Ellis is sitting over
at the county all day, running the county, scheming the county,
and scheming the election to defeat Whitmire. So everything and Pollard,
he doesn't have any allegiance to Poller's just a useful
idiot for him to run against Whitmire. But just watch
and see every issue they push is designed to beat Whitmyer,

(33:39):
and it all comes from Rodney Ellis
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