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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, luck and load. So Michael
Verie Show is on the air. The case of Vanessa
(00:25):
Savage has received national attention. A lot of eyes on
this case and her story and what she did. I
wonder how many people would have done what she did,
how many people didn't do what she did? How many
people look the other way? That's typically what happens. All
it takes for evil to thrive is for good men
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to do nothing. She didn't do nothing. She has said,
God wrote this story. He asked me to walk down
this path, and I walked. That is a very humble
way of dismissing the bravery that she engaged in. And
it's incredible and that's why this story has received such attention.
(01:09):
Vanessa Savitch is our guest. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thank you, Michael, thank you so much for.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Having me today.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Is it weird for people to talk about you as
a hero, You know, that's.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
A funny question. It is a little strange to see
myself on the news and on radio broadcast like this one,
because I really never anticipated or planned this.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
This was not in my career plan, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I did not plan on blowing the whistle at the
nation's largest children's hospital. Did not plan on being a
collaborative force with the government to bring this settlement forward.
This I was just a nurse trying to do my
very best in a job that I deeply loved and
with patients that I deeply cared about. When all of
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a sudden, I just started to see things that I
couldn't dismiss, couldn't ignore. I saw children being systematically harmed.
I text the children's hospital, and so a couple of
years ago, I blew the whistle.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And I'm very grateful that the settlement announced last week
is a direct Now I can talk about that directly
as a part of what I did to blow the whistle.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, I'm glad because I think the sunlight is the
best disinfectant. Let's open the blinds and look into what happened,
because I think a lot of people are I think
a lot of people just assume things like this can't happen,
and they do. They do, and you saw it. But
let's rewind from Vanessa. Where were you born, born and
raised here in Houston with the hospital.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Well, I was born and I was born.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And raised in kind of the sugar Land area, okay,
and your parents, what did they do?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, my dad was a pastor for many years.
My mom's a teacher, and they homeschooled me. I had
a great Christian education growing up. Something that I really
credit as one of the foundational pieces into why I
was able to do.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
What I did is I had a.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Very strong foundation for my faith. And I'm grateful for
my parents. I have amazing parents.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Or all those people who worry whether their children will
turn out okay if they homeschool them, here is exhibit a.
Yes you will. You can if you choose, you can
raise a child of conscience and conviction. And obviously your parents,
I hope they're both still alive. They should be very
very proud of what you have done and their role
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in that, because the fruit doesn't fall very far from
the tree.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yes they are.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
They are very very proud, very grateful. So you.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Go to college where.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I went to the University of Texas Health Science Center
in the medical Center. So I stayed in Houston. I
graduated from nursing school in twenty fifteen, and it was
in twenty eighteen that I accepted this position at Texas
Children's which at the time thought it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Was going to be my dream job. As you know,
Texas Children's is.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The jewel of Houston. It is globally renowned and very prestigious,
and so for anyone a nurse accepting a position in
this in this hospital, it's a dream come true. And
that's how I felt for a really long time until
twenty twenty one when I accepted a different position within
that same hospital, and I started to notice a fully
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functioning gender clinic operating on the premises of my workplace,
something I didn't know when I accepted the job. And
so week after week I watched as girls struggling with
for depression and mental health issues and a host of
you know issues with their you know past of sexual
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abuse and just medical issues as a whole went just
kind of swept.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Under the rug. Because they were struggling with their gender identity.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
These doctors would convince parents that this was the right
thing to do. They would put them on a cross
sex foremone, and week after week, girls would start to
look less like girls, and they would start to develop
masculine features, and they'd start to essentially erase the god
given identity they were born with. And that was devastating
to me, not just as a nurse who believed in
biological truth, but as a Christian who believes in biblical truths,
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that there is male and there's female, That there is
no such thing as a transgender child. That there are
deeply confused children who need help and healing and mental health,
but there's no such thing as a transgender child. And
so I battled for a long time on what to do.
I tried to leave, I tried to find a different job,
and now I know why none of that worked out.
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Of course, that there was a divine purpose to me
staying there and to me seeing the things that I did.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
But as I don't know what you have planned professionally,
but it would be a huge favor to me if
I could just step away from this show and you
take it over from here on out. You you are amazing,
You're you're just You're You're incredible, not only what you've done,
but your ability to articulate, to explain, to help us
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understand what you did and who you are. It was
a relatively succinct answer for years of a very deep
and emotionally fraught time for you. I can't imagine when
when you witnessed what was going on with these children?
Did you have somebody you were confiding with, what were
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you doing away from work? And were you talking to
you when at work about it?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You know, I wish we had all the time in
the world for me to answer that, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Do I just I honestly, I'd rather you just I'll
let me go do something else. And you finished the
show to every day. I'm not joking, You're incredible. They
We'll have to give you a better radio name because Sivage,
the way it's pronounced is not and just be the
Vanessa Show.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Let me try to answer that very succinctly for you,
but for your listeners who are listening this morning, I
would encourage them to listen to the interview that was
Jess posted on X with Catherine Harridge a couple of
days ago. She posted a twenty minute interview in which
we filmed my first exclusive interview in which I talk
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about a lot of this and I full disclosure for
your audience, it's the most emotional and raw interview I've
ever given, I've ever done. I was visibly emotional because
for the last two years I haven't been able to
talk about any of this. Haven't been able to share
this with my closest family or friends, haven't been able
to reveal the fact that I was a collaborative government
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witness in this false claimed Act investigation, the first of
its time in the United States of America, in which
now as a result.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Of describe, can you help with me just move by
the way. I have not seen the interview, but I
was scrolling and I saw it, and that's why we
reached out to you in the first place. But just
one moment Michael Berry Show continues. All Vanessa Savage is
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the whistleblower who exposed the fact that Texas Children's Hospital
was this premier medical institution, was transitioning children across the
sex from their god assigned to another sex and everything
that went with it. Vanessa, can you it's graphic, but
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can can you walk us through, because most of us
know about this from a distance, can you walk us
through what that looks like? Is the child there for
depression or they? How does how does that patient? How
did you begin your contact with that patient?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Great question, Yeah, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah. So, usually what happens is a child will be
referred to the gender clinic through a pediatrician, and then
the transgender provider will start to see this patient week
after week and consistently start increasing the dosage of either
testosterone or estrogen. You cross sex hormones given to a male,
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estrogen to a male, or testosterone to a female. And
a week after week, girls start to develop facial hair,
they start to develop beers, they start to develop and
I am zapple. Their voices start to change into a
masculine voice, their breaths are decreased in size, Their secondary
sexual characteristics also a change in that in that time period,
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leading and culminating to the moment with enough dosage, with
the high high dotage of this drug, in which a
girl's period stops and her ovaries shrink, and eventually she
can she stops ovulating. Eventually she will not be able
to conceive or have children. That is the most devastating
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effect of all of course, which is just something that
I got, uh the unfortunate I had just the unfortunate
role to see this up close, and it was devastating
for me for my faith, for my belief that there
is two sexes, beautifully made and God damage and to
watch them systematically, UH be be kind of ushered into
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this pathway of a rasure and tremendous physical and psychological
harm under the guise of compassion and care was devastating
to me, and so I knew I had to speak
out about it. But I'm one.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Person in a hospital, as you.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Said, a prestigious, premier hospital institution of more than twenty
thousand employees bringing in billions of dollars in annual revenue.
How is one person supposed to achieve or to expose
what is going on in a way that would change things,
in a way that would stop the harm that is
being done? And I think that really, this is a
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story that only God could write, because only He could
achieve this victory on my behalf ultimately. And I'm super grateful,
super grateful for the very small role that I'd played
in this.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I appreciate your humility, but I think not only is
it an outsized role, it is a role that had
you not played it, would people know what was going on?
I mean, was there a was there something that was
a duplicative whistleblower?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, thankfully many of your listeners know the story. But thankfully,
doctors on time was the reason why I came forward
in the first place, right, He blew the whistle. He
was a surgeon at Texas Children's and blew the whistle
before me. And that is when I had, you know,
I built up the courage to come forward myself because
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I realized that someone else within this hospital institution actually
also shared my same concerns that children were being harmed.
And so courage is contagious. I know that's something cheesy
we like to say the times, but it's true because
once I saw what he was willing to put on
the line, what he was willing to risk, I decided
to come forward myself.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And how did you come forward?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, So in May of twenty twenty three, I came
forward anonymously, first with Christopher Ruffo, who's an amazing journalist,
came forward anonymously. And although I kind of blew the
whistle at that time with my testimony of what was
going on inside of the gender clinic with them transitioning
kids in secrets, never thought anything would come of that.
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I was perfectly content to let that be the end
of my involvement until two months later, As you know,
the FBI visited my home in July of twenty twenty three,
they said that they knew of my views and they
threatened me if I did not collaborate with their investigation,
they couldn't protect me, and they of course threatened my
career and my safety. And that was the most terrifying
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thing I think we've ever been through. But what it
did was it set me up on a path where
I could no longer ignore what I was saying, and
so I didn't respond very kindly to that threat I
did not know. I did not go away into a
hole as they wanted and just shut up about what
I knew, which is what they had asked me to do.
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But instead I did the opposite, and I came forward
publicly the next year. So in June of twenty twenty four,
for the second time, I blew the whistle publicly, and
this time I revealed that not only had the hospital
transition children a secret, that they were building Texas Medicaid
for their sex rejecting treatments and hormones. That is illegal,
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it is fraudulent, it's federal fraud, and it's state fraud.
And so under the false claim that we were able
to bring this lawsuit forward and thanks to a collaborate
effort between the Trump Department of Justice and Attorney General
can tax in the amazing team the State of Texas
Attorney General in my attorneys. The settlement was finally brought
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to the lights about a week.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Ago, and ten million dollars. Good for you. I'm glad
it's a big number because it's going to get a
lot of attention, and it should get a lot of attention.
Do you ever think to yourself, I mean, it's evil,
but do you ever think we were there other people
there who probably shared your views, maybe not as deeply,
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and maybe they may not have even been Bible based,
but they knew in their hearts this was wrong and
they simply didn't want to be the squeaky wiel. Do
you think there were other people who do you know
there were other people who felt that way? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
No, there absolutely are other people, you know. But the
ironic thing is that you work with you know, I
worked with my coworkers for six years, right, they all
knew who I was. When I blew the whistle. I
did not get a single and this is not a
surprise to anyone, But I'm not a single person reached
out right, And I'm not saying that to, you know,
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in any kind of way. But I'm just saying, you know,
people people really and I was this person. I don't
blame them for this, but these are just the facts, right.
It's it can be very difficult to confront the possibility
of losing everything you've worked for, to lose your salary,
your lifestyle, the career that you've worked so hard to build,
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the relationships you fostered within the hospital system, your retirement,
your benefits, all of those things are on the line,
right and so I had to weigh those risks very
carefully myself, and I know that it's the same for
other people. So I have compassion on those people who
don't necessarily want to sign up for what I did.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Right after that, Yeah, it You know, we talked about bravery.
Most people are not brave. Most people would rather hope
that Vanessa Savitch will take Can you hold with us
for just a moment, luboy Shop. Vanessa Savitch is our guest.
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She was the nurse at Texas Children's Hospital who was
part of the whistleblowing effort to expose what Texas Children's
Hospital was doing in violation of the law to these children,
mutilating them is what it's called. It's not healthcare, it's mutilation.
And these are children who wouldn't let you put tattoos
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on them, We wouldn't let you send them to war,
we wouldn't let them smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol. But
under the guise of supposed medicine, they took scalpels to
their bodies and filled them full of very, very dangerous hormones. Vanessa,
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did these kids ever come back and express doubts or
concerns because this is a pretty big change in their body,
you know, that's.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
A great question.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, not yet. In fact, I've gotten messages to the
opposite effect. Have gotten several messages from former patients of
the Gender Clinic at Texas Children who are absolutely attacking
and slandering me for what I've done. They say that
you know that you know they were about to commit
suicide until they started gender treatments, and are absolutely using
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the most colorful and vulgar language you could imagine in
these in these messages to me. And so here's what
I would say, is, you know, for a time they
might feel that way, They might feel like, you know,
like these changes are something that they've wanted in their body,
and they are also again remember they're surrounded by an
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affirming community, the affirming transgender community, that tells them that
there is peace on the other side of taking these
hormones and blockers, that they will feel finally fulfilled and
at peace with themselves if they move on in the
transition pathway. Of course, we know that that is a lie, right,
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and that is that could not be more false, But
they're you know, with social media, with this community. Sometimes
they have parents who are fully in alignment with this,
and so I think that for a time, they're deceived,
and so I'm praying for them. There's not a day
that goes by that I don't pray that these former
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patients is a clinic that I was working at, that
they'll wake up one day and they'll they'll realize what
was done to them, that they were deceived, they were
manipulated by doctors who believed they were doing the right thing,
and that they'll wake up and now they actually have
an opportunity to come to the nation, to the world's
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first the transition clinic at the very same hospital that
once sanctioned their harm and their mutilation, which is just
an unrivaled story. Again, a story that only God could write.
And if they do wake up one day and they
regret what was done to them, now there's an opportunity
for their health, for their for their healing, at zero
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cost to them for the first five years.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You deserve, rightfully to be extraordinarily proud that this has happened. This,
this is a career accomplishment, and you have so much
ahead of you. You're a very young woman, and you
have accomplished this out of out of conviction. It doesn't
always end well or whistleblowers. In fact, typically it does not.
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It typically goes the other way and they go off
into obscurity and lick their wounds for the rest of
their lives. You you have, you have had a grand
victory for yourself and a lot of other people, and
on behalf of speaking out. And this, this is, this
is the result we could only hope for. Do you
trust that they will develop this clinic in good faith
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and that they will do what they've said because they
have in the past done horrible things.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You know, that's a great question one that I've already
I've been asked before. And here's what I'll say to
that is, we'll be watching and waiting. You know, I
can't I can't predict the future. But what we can
do is we can publicly, we publicly shame the behavior
that is evil and unrighteous. As a society and as
a culture, we shame that behavior. Right, And when there's
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behavior that does a complete one eighty, when it seeks
to undo the wrongs of the past, when it seeks
to affirm biological realities, when it seeks to protect and
help children instead of harm them, then we publicly honor
that behavior that change that we see. I think that's
very powerful. I think public shaming, as we've done in
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the last five to ten years, since the transgender movement
has kind of come up more so into the spotlight,
has been incredibly effective. Right, It's kind of been retreat now,
But what I would say is that we're now entering
phase two. We're entering phase two because we're not going
to allow the institutions and the doctors, both of them
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who have knowingly participated in the insects projecting procedures for years.
They've done this. In fact, my settlement showed that the
hospital had started to do these procedures and to build
falsely since twenty two and I brought evidence forwards starting
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in twenty twenty. I didn't even know that this had
been going on for years before I came forward. But
now we know, and what we're going to do now
as a society is we're not going to let these
hospitals and doctors off the books. We're not going to
just say, well, we've we've defeated the trans movement. We're
just going to move on and let them live their
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lives in peace. No, now we go back and we
strip them of their medical licenses so they they can't
practice medicine. Now we actually hold hospitals accountable who build
medicaid falsely or who deceive the public, and we force
them into settlements in which they admit what they've done,
which is exactly what has happened here. So when we
talk about accountability moving forward, this is what we're talking about.
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We're talking about holding institutions and doctors accountable for the
years and years of harm that they facilitated.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I don't know if you're familiar with the case of
Mary Tally Boden, but she had her privileges that a
Methodist revoked, and she had the Texas Medical Board uh
come after her and they've tried to destroy her. That
is also one tough, tough lady. But now every everything
she said has been proven true. And Fauci and the
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the establishment have been made out to be worse than
fools and knaves. They are criminals and uh and and
you know that sunlight's the best disinfectant. We are seeing
the truth come out nowhere. Where does Vanessa Sivich go?
Where do you go from here?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Well, you know, hopefully I won't need a lifetime therapy,
but you know, no, it's a joke. I'm just very
deeply grateful.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Will you be a nurse again?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
You know, I don't know that has that remains to
be seen. We have one more negotiation settlement that be
that will be. We will kind of come to that
here in the next couple of weeks. I don't want
to say too much about that, but one more settlement.
But uh, you know, I'm going to go on vacation.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I'm going to enjoy my time with my husband and
we're going to try to get.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Our life back. In the meantime, I lead I lead
Protecting Texas Children, which is a state advocacy nonprofit dedicated
towards advancing pro child policies in Texas, and so that
keeps me very busy.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Just a little bit. I want to I want to
hear about that rub against to break. If you can
hold for just one more segment, I want to hear
about that. I want to hear about your work going
forward and see how we can help you in those efforts.
I admire what you have done, and I know there
are big things ahead. Vanessa Sivich live with They're all duncans,
and do you know duncan means yo yo. Vanessa Savitch
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is our guest. She is a nurse who has become
nationally famous for speaking out about what she saw at
Texas Children Hospital when they did what they said they
weren't doing, when they broke the law, when they mutilated children,
making boys into girls and girls into boys, or trying
physically anyway. That interview with Catherine Herridge that you did.
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First of all, I have a lot of respect for
Catherine Herridge. She's been an expert for years or a
journalist covering national security. I'm glad to see her branching
out to do more than just military stories because she's
hard hitting and tough and fair. She's somebody that the
Obama administration came after like Cheryl Atkinson and did her wrong.
But let's talk about your future. Vanessa Sivitch, you've You've
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started an organization and the intention is advocacy for children.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yes, yeah, I'm the founder and president of Protecting Texas Children.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But encourage our audience to check out our website and
our work. We exist to send children from radical gender ideology,
not just in medicine, because as you know, that takes
lots of forms. It's a met Yeah, it's in our entertainment,
it's in our school system, it's in curriculum, it's in
library books that are accessible to children, and so we
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exist to send children from that radical and destructive ideology
in all of its forms. We also work with lawmakers
in the state of Texas to advance pro child and
pro family policies. So that is a deeply fulfilling work
that I'm just so privileged to be a part of,
and I continue to doing that well.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I will be sending a thousand bus when we finish,
and I would encourage a lot of other people, anyone
who is able to send whatever you can send, if
it's five bucks, to show our support for what you're doing.
It looks like there's a legislative side to this, So
presumably you're going to be working to pass laws to
protect children. What do you foresee? What kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well, one of the most important things I'll briefly touch
on that I'm very excited about, is a law that
will allow the transitioners in the state of Texts to
hold their providers accountable to sue them right now. If
you can believe what is happening right now, in the
state of Texas, D transitioners only have a window of
two years to sue there is about you know, we
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know this from studies that have been done, but it
takes D transitioners an average of five to ten years
on average to realize what was done to them, the
harm that was done to them. When they wake up
one day and they realize, oh, my goodness, my breasts
were removed. Now I can't ever nurse my children. Things
like that which happened to sore and Aldocco, one of
my good friends, a D transitioner here in Texas. We
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have lawmakers in Austin who are putting together legislation as
we speak to extend that Statute of limitations so that
d transitioners can sue their doctors and hold them accountable.
And so that's something that's a policy that protecting Texas
children will be championing, and we will be working together
as closely as we can with lawmakers in the House
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and Senate to make sure that that makes it across
the finish line on to the governor's desks so he
can signed into law.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, you know, it's it's amazing. It's taking lemons and
making lemonade. Uh, sometimes we have to be we have
to go through something because I mean, you're you're minimizing
it or or kind of glossing over it. But this
would have been a difficult thing for you to understand
that this career that you it's hard to become a nurse.
It takes a lot of preparation, education, admission, you know,
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all these things, and to realize that doing this was
going to jeopardize your career. Uh, it wasn't going to
get you a pat on the back. That was a
you know, there were a lot of things that play here.
In addition to just what you were witnessing. There were
a lot of things at play. Let me go back
to you talk about getting reassigned or getting a different job,
and that's where you ended up in this particular situation.
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Was that a promotion? What was the job to which
you were assigned?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It was not a promotion, It was a lateral news.
What it was was a very practical moved.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
We wanted to move to the suburbs. I didn't want
to commute into the downtown medical center every day. So
we moved through the suburbs and I took a job
at a multi specialty satellite clinic of Texas Children's And
that's where all of this kind of went down, is
kind of in a suburb clinic. And so that's kind
of when I started to see what I've described previously
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with children being transitioned, with providers billing medicaid fraudulently, culminating
in the ten million dollars settlement that was announced last week.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
When you talk about billing Medicare medicaid or Medicare Medicaid
Medicaid fraudulently, do you think they knew? Do you think
everyone up and down the chain knew that they were
committing fraud.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's a great question. I can say for absolute certainty,
got one of the doctors that I blew the whistle
on which I cannot say his name, but I can
tell you for certain that one of them admitted he
perjured himself, and he admitted when he sued the state
of Texas after SB fourteen was passed two years ago,
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which is the law that made these treatments illegal, he
admitted that his patients were on Medicaid. And so that's
public record, and so I can tell you for certain
that one of them did know that his uh that
excuse me, that the doctor's patients were on many of
them were on Medicaid, and so I can't I can't
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speak to the other ones. But this really is a
watershed moment for for this type of fraud case, this
False Claims Act case. The Department of Justice has announced
and has said in the past, that this will be
the model that they use for all other pending litigation
in other states. What what I've always wanted and what
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my hope has been is that this serves as the
blueprint that other hospitals because of what is you know,
the example that Texas drink. This is setting here. The
precedent that's being set is that other hospitals will now
be compelled to also open the transition centers of their
own at zero cost. And so what a what a remarkable,
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redeeming story this is. I just want to say that, yes,
never could I have imagined that this would have been
the outcome that I'm hopeful that this will just be
one clinic, you know, in a long series of future
clinics that will open as a result of this watershed moment.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, because there are a lot of kids, you know,
there are a lot of kids. This it's a trend.
I mean, I hate to I hate to use such
a seemingly dismissive term, but it is a trend. These things.
This was not traditional, This was not historic. There is
not a legacy of this. This was This was a
political trend. It's not medicine. And there are going to
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be children who were terribly terribly harmed out of this,
like solidimide or or are taking the clock shot. Vanessa Savic,
you are wonderful, You're fantastic. Please keep up this fight.
It's important and we need you, our children need you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Thank you. Thanks for your donation. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Got it. I will post a link to her site
and if you can give, don't don't ever think that
because I can only give ten, I can only give twenty,
or I can only give fifty, whatever that is. Be
surprised that we raised I mean, how much money we
raise off you not being fat anymore. It wasn't six million,
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It was over fifty thousand dollars. I got that list
around here somewhere. There are a lot of people who
came up big on that thing, about a thousand dollars
It's that time, time, time, luck and load. So Michael
Verie Show is on the air. The case of Vanessa
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Savage has received national attention. A lot of eyes on
this case and her story and what she did. I
wonder how many people would have done what she did,
how many people didn't do what she did? How many
people look the other way? That's typically what happens. All
it takes for evil to thrive is for good men
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to do nothing. She didn't do nothing. She has said,
God wrote this story. He asked me to walk down
this path, and I walked. That is a very humble
way of dismissing the bravery that she engaged in. And
it's incredible and that's why this story has received such attention.
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Vanessa Savitch is our guest. Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thank you, Michael, thank you so much for.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Having me today.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Is it weird for people to talk about you as
a hero, You know, that's.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
A funny question. It is a little strange to see
myself on the news and on radio broadcast like this one,
because I really never anticipated or planned this.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
This was not in my career plan, believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I did not plan on blowing the whistle at the
nation's largest children's hospital. Did not plan on being a
collaborative force with the government to bring this settlement forward.
This I was just a nurse trying to do my
very best in a job that I deeply loved and
with patients that I deeply cared about. When all of
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a sudden, I just started to see things that I
couldn't dismiss, couldn't ignore. I saw children being systematically harmed.
I text the children's hospital, and so a couple of
years ago, I blew the whistle.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And I'm very grateful that the settlement announced last week
is a direct Now I can talk about that directly
as a part of what I did to blow the whistle.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, I'm glad because I think the sunlight is the
best disinfectant. Let's open the blinds and look into what happened,
because I think a lot of people are I think
a lot of people just assume things like this can't happen,
and they do. They do, and you saw it. But
let's rewind from Vanessa. Where were you born, born and
raised here in Houston with the hospital.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Well, I was born and I was born.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And raised in kind of the sugar Land area, okay,
and your parents, what did they do?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, my dad was a pastor for many years.
My mom's a teacher, and they homeschooled me. I had
a great Christian education growing up. Something that I really
credit as one of the foundational pieces into why I
was able to do.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
What I did is I had a.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Very strong foundation for my faith. And I'm grateful for
my parents. I have amazing parents.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Or all those people who worry whether their children will
turn out okay if they homeschool them, here is exhibit a.
Yes you will. You can if you choose, you can
raise a child of conscience and conviction. And obviously your parents,
I hope they're both still alive. They should be very
very proud of what you have done and their role
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in that, because the fruit doesn't fall very far from
the tree.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yes they are.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
They are very very proud, very grateful. So you.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Go to college where.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I went to the University of Texas Health Science Center
in the medical Center. So I stayed in Houston. I
graduated from nursing school in twenty fifteen, and it was
in twenty eighteen that I accepted this position at Texas
Children's which at the time thought it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Was going to be my dream job. As you know,
Texas Children's is.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
The jewel of Houston. It is globally renowned and very prestigious,
and so for anyone a nurse accepting a position in
this in this hospital, it's a dream come true. And
that's how I felt for a really long time until
twenty twenty one when I accepted a different position within
that same hospital, and I started to notice a fully
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functioning gender clinic operating on the premises of my workplace,
something I didn't know when I accepted the job. And
so week after week I watched as girls struggling with
for depression and mental health issues and a host of
you know issues with their you know past of sexual
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abuse and just medical issues as a whole went just
kind of swept.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Under the rug. Because they were struggling with their gender identity.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
These doctors would convince parents that this was the right
thing to do. They would put them on a cross
sex foremone, and week after week, girls would start to
look less like girls, and they would start to develop
masculine features, and they'd start to essentially erase the god
given identity they were born with. And that was devastating
to me, not just as a nurse who believed in
biological truth, but as a Christian who believes in biblical truths,
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that there is male and there's female, That there is
no such thing as a transgender child. That there are
deeply confused children who need help and healing and mental health,
but there's no such thing as a transgender child. And
so I battled for a long time on what to do.
I tried to leave, I tried to find a different job,
and now I know why none of that worked out.
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Of course, that there was a divine purpose to me
staying there and to me seeing the things that I did.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
But as I don't know what you have planned professionally,
but it would be a huge favor to me if
I could just step away from this show and you
take it over from here on out. You you are amazing,
You're you're just You're You're incredible, not only what you've done,
but your ability to articulate, to explain, to help us
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understand what you did and who you are. It was
a relatively succinct answer for years of a very deep
and emotionally fraught time for you. I can't imagine when
when you witnessed what was going on with these children?
Did you have somebody you were confiding with, what were
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you doing away from work? And were you talking to
you when at work about it?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You know, I wish we had all the time in
the world for me to answer that, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Do I just I honestly, I'd rather you just I'll
let me go do something else. And you finished the
show to every day. I'm not joking, You're incredible. They
We'll have to give you a better radio name because Sivage,
the way it's pronounced is not and just be the
Vanessa Show.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Let me try to answer that very succinctly for you,
but for your listeners who are listening this morning, I
would encourage them to listen to the interview that was
Jess posted on X with Catherine Harridge a couple of
days ago. She posted a twenty minute interview in which
we filmed my first exclusive interview in which I talk
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about a lot of this and I full disclosure for
your audience, it's the most emotional and raw interview I've
ever given, I've ever done. I was visibly emotional because
for the last two years I haven't been able to
talk about any of this. Haven't been able to share
this with my closest family or friends, haven't been able
to reveal the fact that I was a collaborative government
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witness in this false claimed Act investigation, the first of
its time in the United States of America, in which
now as a result.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Of describe, can you help with me just move by
the way. I have not seen the interview, but I
was scrolling and I saw it, and that's why we
reached out to you in the first place. But just
one moment Michael Berry Show continues. All Vanessa Savage is
(08:30):
the whistleblower who exposed the fact that Texas Children's Hospital
was this premier medical institution, was transitioning children across the
sex from their god assigned to another sex and everything
that went with it. Vanessa, can you it's graphic, but
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can can you walk us through, because most of us
know about this from a distance, can you walk us
through what that looks like? Is the child there for
depression or they? How does how does that patient? How
did you begin your contact with that patient?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Great question, Yeah, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah. So, usually what happens is a child will be
referred to the gender clinic through a pediatrician, and then
the transgender provider will start to see this patient week
after week and consistently start increasing the dosage of either
testosterone or estrogen. You cross sex hormones given to a male,
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estrogen to a male, or testosterone to a female. And
a week after week, girls start to develop facial hair,
they start to develop beers, they start to develop and
I am zapple. Their voices start to change into a
masculine voice, their breaths are decreased in size, Their secondary
sexual characteristics also a change in that in that time period,
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leading and culminating to the moment with enough dosage, with
the high high dotage of this drug, in which a
girl's period stops and her ovaries shrink, and eventually she
can she stops ovulating. Eventually she will not be able
to conceive or have children. That is the most devastating
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effect of all of course, which is just something that
I got, uh the unfortunate I had just the unfortunate
role to see this up close, and it was devastating
for me for my faith, for my belief that there
is two sexes, beautifully made and God damage and to
watch them systematically, UH be be kind of ushered into
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this pathway of a rasure and tremendous physical and psychological
harm under the guise of compassion and care was devastating
to me, and so I knew I had to speak
out about it. But I'm one.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Person in a hospital, as you.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Said, a prestigious, premier hospital institution of more than twenty
thousand employees bringing in billions of dollars in annual revenue.
How is one person supposed to achieve or to expose
what is going on in a way that would change things,
in a way that would stop the harm that is
being done? And I think that really, this is a
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story that only God could write, because only He could
achieve this victory on my behalf ultimately. And I'm super grateful,
super grateful for the very small role that I'd played
in this.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I appreciate your humility, but I think not only is
it an outsized role, it is a role that had
you not played it, would people know what was going on?
I mean, was there a was there something that was
a duplicative whistleblower?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, thankfully many of your listeners know the story. But thankfully,
doctors on time was the reason why I came forward
in the first place, right, He blew the whistle. He
was a surgeon at Texas Children's and blew the whistle
before me. And that is when I had, you know,
I built up the courage to come forward myself because
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I realized that someone else within this hospital institution actually
also shared my same concerns that children were being harmed.
And so courage is contagious. I know that's something cheesy
we like to say the times, but it's true because
once I saw what he was willing to put on
the line, what he was willing to risk, I decided
to come forward myself.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And how did you come forward?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, So in May of twenty twenty three, I came
forward anonymously, first with Christopher Ruffo, who's an amazing journalist,
came forward anonymously. And although I kind of blew the
whistle at that time with my testimony of what was
going on inside of the gender clinic with them transitioning
kids in secrets, never thought anything would come of that.
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I was perfectly content to let that be the end
of my involvement until two months later, As you know,
the FBI visited my home in July of twenty twenty three,
they said that they knew of my views and they
threatened me if I did not collaborate with their investigation,
they couldn't protect me, and they of course threatened my
career and my safety. And that was the most terrifying
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thing I think we've ever been through. But what it
did was it set me up on a path where
I could no longer ignore what I was saying, and
so I didn't respond very kindly to that threat I
did not know. I did not go away into a
hole as they wanted and just shut up about what
I knew, which is what they had asked me to do.
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But instead I did the opposite, and I came forward
publicly the next year. So in June of twenty twenty four,
for the second time, I blew the whistle publicly, and
this time I revealed that not only had the hospital
transition children a secret, that they were building Texas Medicaid
for their sex rejecting treatments and hormones. That is illegal,
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it is fraudulent, it's federal fraud, and it's state fraud.
And so under the false claim that we were able
to bring this lawsuit forward and thanks to a collaborate
effort between the Trump Department of Justice and Attorney General
can tax in the amazing team the State of Texas
Attorney General in my attorneys. The settlement was finally brought
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to the lights about a week.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Ago, and ten million dollars. Good for you. I'm glad
it's a big number because it's going to get a
lot of attention, and it should get a lot of attention.
Do you ever think to yourself, I mean, it's evil,
but do you ever think we were there other people
there who probably shared your views, maybe not as deeply,
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and maybe they may not have even been Bible based,
but they knew in their hearts this was wrong and
they simply didn't want to be the squeaky wiel. Do
you think there were other people who do you know
there were other people who felt that way? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
No, there absolutely are other people, you know. But the
ironic thing is that you work with you know, I
worked with my coworkers for six years, right, they all
knew who I was. When I blew the whistle. I
did not get a single and this is not a
surprise to anyone, But I'm not a single person reached
out right, And I'm not saying that to, you know,
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in any kind of way. But I'm just saying, you know,
people people really and I was this person. I don't
blame them for this, but these are just the facts, right.
It's it can be very difficult to confront the possibility
of losing everything you've worked for, to lose your salary,
your lifestyle, the career that you've worked so hard to build,
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the relationships you fostered within the hospital system, your retirement,
your benefits, all of those things are on the line,
right and so I had to weigh those risks very
carefully myself, and I know that it's the same for
other people. So I have compassion on those people who
don't necessarily want to sign up for what I did.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Right after that, Yeah, it You know, we talked about bravery.
Most people are not brave. Most people would rather hope
that Vanessa Savitch will take Can you hold with us
for just a moment, luboy Shop. Vanessa Savitch is our guest.
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She was the nurse at Texas Children's Hospital who was
part of the whistleblowing effort to expose what Texas Children's
Hospital was doing in violation of the law to these children,
mutilating them is what it's called. It's not healthcare, it's mutilation.
And these are children who wouldn't let you put tattoos
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on them, We wouldn't let you send them to war,
we wouldn't let them smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol. But
under the guise of supposed medicine, they took scalpels to
their bodies and filled them full of very, very dangerous hormones. Vanessa,
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did these kids ever come back and express doubts or
concerns because this is a pretty big change in their body,
you know, that's.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
A great question.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, not yet. In fact, I've gotten messages to the
opposite effect. Have gotten several messages from former patients of
the Gender Clinic at Texas Children who are absolutely attacking
and slandering me for what I've done. They say that
you know that you know they were about to commit
suicide until they started gender treatments, and are absolutely using
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the most colorful and vulgar language you could imagine in
these in these messages to me. And so here's what
I would say, is, you know, for a time they
might feel that way, They might feel like, you know,
like these changes are something that they've wanted in their body,
and they are also again remember they're surrounded by an
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affirming community, the affirming transgender community, that tells them that
there is peace on the other side of taking these
hormones and blockers, that they will feel finally fulfilled and
at peace with themselves if they move on in the
transition pathway. Of course, we know that that is a lie, right,
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and that is that could not be more false, But
they're you know, with social media, with this community. Sometimes
they have parents who are fully in alignment with this,
and so I think that for a time, they're deceived,
and so I'm praying for them. There's not a day
that goes by that I don't pray that these former
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patients is a clinic that I was working at, that
they'll wake up one day and they'll they'll realize what
was done to them, that they were deceived, they were
manipulated by doctors who believed they were doing the right thing,
and that they'll wake up and now they actually have
an opportunity to come to the nation, to the world's
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first the transition clinic at the very same hospital that
once sanctioned their harm and their mutilation, which is just
an unrivaled story. Again, a story that only God could write.
And if they do wake up one day and they
regret what was done to them, now there's an opportunity
for their health, for their for their healing, at zero
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cost to them for the first five years.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You deserve, rightfully to be extraordinarily proud that this has happened. This,
this is a career accomplishment, and you have so much
ahead of you. You're a very young woman, and you
have accomplished this out of out of conviction. It doesn't
always end well or whistleblowers. In fact, typically it does not.
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It typically goes the other way and they go off
into obscurity and lick their wounds for the rest of
their lives. You you have, you have had a grand
victory for yourself and a lot of other people, and
on behalf of speaking out. And this, this is, this
is the result we could only hope for. Do you
trust that they will develop this clinic in good faith
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and that they will do what they've said because they
have in the past done horrible things.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You know, that's a great question one that I've already
I've been asked before. And here's what I'll say to
that is, we'll be watching and waiting. You know, I
can't I can't predict the future. But what we can
do is we can publicly, we publicly shame the behavior
that is evil and unrighteous. As a society and as
a culture, we shame that behavior. Right, And when there's
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behavior that does a complete one eighty, when it seeks
to undo the wrongs of the past, when it seeks
to affirm biological realities, when it seeks to protect and
help children instead of harm them, then we publicly honor
that behavior that change that we see. I think that's
very powerful. I think public shaming, as we've done in
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the last five to ten years, since the transgender movement
has kind of come up more so into the spotlight,
has been incredibly effective. Right, It's kind of been retreat now,
But what I would say is that we're now entering
phase two. We're entering phase two because we're not going
to allow the institutions and the doctors, both of them
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who have knowingly participated in the insects projecting procedures for years.
They've done this. In fact, my settlement showed that the
hospital had started to do these procedures and to build
falsely since twenty two and I brought evidence forwards starting
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in twenty twenty. I didn't even know that this had
been going on for years before I came forward. But
now we know, and what we're going to do now
as a society is we're not going to let these
hospitals and doctors off the books. We're not going to
just say, well, we've we've defeated the trans movement. We're
just going to move on and let them live their
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lives in peace. No, now we go back and we
strip them of their medical licenses so they they can't
practice medicine. Now we actually hold hospitals accountable who build
medicaid falsely or who deceive the public, and we force
them into settlements in which they admit what they've done,
which is exactly what has happened here. So when we
talk about accountability moving forward, this is what we're talking about.
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We're talking about holding institutions and doctors accountable for the
years and years of harm that they facilitated.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I don't know if you're familiar with the case of
Mary Tally Boden, but she had her privileges that a
Methodist revoked, and she had the Texas Medical Board uh
come after her and they've tried to destroy her. That
is also one tough, tough lady. But now every everything
she said has been proven true. And Fauci and the
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the establishment have been made out to be worse than
fools and knaves. They are criminals and uh and and
you know that sunlight's the best disinfectant. We are seeing
the truth come out nowhere. Where does Vanessa Sivich go?
Where do you go from here?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Well, you know, hopefully I won't need a lifetime therapy,
but you know, no, it's a joke. I'm just very
deeply grateful.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Will you be a nurse again?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
You know, I don't know that has that remains to
be seen. We have one more negotiation settlement that be
that will be. We will kind of come to that
here in the next couple of weeks. I don't want
to say too much about that, but one more settlement.
But uh, you know, I'm going to go on vacation.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I'm going to enjoy my time with my husband and
we're going to try to get.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Our life back. In the meantime, I lead I lead
Protecting Texas Children, which is a state advocacy nonprofit dedicated
towards advancing pro child policies in Texas, and so that
keeps me very busy.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Just a little bit. I want to I want to
hear about that rub against to break. If you can
hold for just one more segment, I want to hear
about that. I want to hear about your work going
forward and see how we can help you in those efforts.
I admire what you have done, and I know there
are big things ahead. Vanessa Sivich live with They're all duncans,
and do you know duncan means yo yo. Vanessa Savitch
(24:53):
is our guest. She is a nurse who has become
nationally famous for speaking out about what she saw at
Texas Children Hospital when they did what they said they
weren't doing, when they broke the law, when they mutilated children,
making boys into girls and girls into boys, or trying
physically anyway. That interview with Catherine Herridge that you did.
(25:16):
First of all, I have a lot of respect for
Catherine Herridge. She's been an expert for years or a
journalist covering national security. I'm glad to see her branching
out to do more than just military stories because she's
hard hitting and tough and fair. She's somebody that the
Obama administration came after like Cheryl Atkinson and did her wrong.
But let's talk about your future. Vanessa Sivitch, you've You've
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started an organization and the intention is advocacy for children.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yes, yeah, I'm the founder and president of Protecting Texas Children.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
But encourage our audience to check out our website and
our work. We exist to send children from radical gender ideology,
not just in medicine, because as you know, that takes
lots of forms. It's a met Yeah, it's in our entertainment,
it's in our school system, it's in curriculum, it's in
library books that are accessible to children, and so we
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exist to send children from that radical and destructive ideology
in all of its forms. We also work with lawmakers
in the state of Texas to advance pro child and
pro family policies. So that is a deeply fulfilling work
that I'm just so privileged to be a part of,
and I continue to doing that well.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I will be sending a thousand bus when we finish,
and I would encourage a lot of other people, anyone
who is able to send whatever you can send, if
it's five bucks, to show our support for what you're doing.
It looks like there's a legislative side to this, So
presumably you're going to be working to pass laws to
protect children. What do you foresee? What kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well, one of the most important things I'll briefly touch
on that I'm very excited about, is a law that
will allow the transitioners in the state of Texts to
hold their providers accountable to sue them right now. If
you can believe what is happening right now, in the
state of Texas, D transitioners only have a window of
two years to sue there is about you know, we
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know this from studies that have been done, but it
takes D transitioners an average of five to ten years
on average to realize what was done to them, the
harm that was done to them. When they wake up
one day and they realize, oh, my goodness, my breasts
were removed. Now I can't ever nurse my children. Things
like that which happened to sore and Aldocco, one of
my good friends, a D transitioner here in Texas. We
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have lawmakers in Austin who are putting together legislation as
we speak to extend that Statute of limitations so that
d transitioners can sue their doctors and hold them accountable.
And so that's something that's a policy that protecting Texas
children will be championing, and we will be working together
as closely as we can with lawmakers in the House
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and Senate to make sure that that makes it across
the finish line on to the governor's desks so he
can signed into law.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, you know, it's it's amazing. It's taking lemons and
making lemonade. Uh, sometimes we have to be we have
to go through something because I mean, you're you're minimizing
it or or kind of glossing over it. But this
would have been a difficult thing for you to understand
that this career that you it's hard to become a nurse.
It takes a lot of preparation, education, admission, you know,
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all these things, and to realize that doing this was
going to jeopardize your career. Uh, it wasn't going to
get you a pat on the back. That was a
you know, there were a lot of things that play here.
In addition to just what you were witnessing. There were
a lot of things at play. Let me go back
to you talk about getting reassigned or getting a different job,
and that's where you ended up in this particular situation.
(28:52):
Was that a promotion? What was the job to which
you were assigned?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It was not a promotion, It was a lateral news.
What it was was a very practical moved.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
We wanted to move to the suburbs. I didn't want
to commute into the downtown medical center every day. So
we moved through the suburbs and I took a job
at a multi specialty satellite clinic of Texas Children's And
that's where all of this kind of went down, is
kind of in a suburb clinic. And so that's kind
of when I started to see what I've described previously
(29:22):
with children being transitioned, with providers billing medicaid fraudulently, culminating
in the ten million dollars settlement that was announced last week.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
When you talk about billing Medicare medicaid or Medicare Medicaid
Medicaid fraudulently, do you think they knew? Do you think
everyone up and down the chain knew that they were
committing fraud.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's a great question. I can say for absolute certainty,
got one of the doctors that I blew the whistle
on which I cannot say his name, but I can
tell you for certain that one of them admitted he
perjured himself, and he admitted when he sued the state
of Texas after SB fourteen was passed two years ago,
(30:09):
which is the law that made these treatments illegal, he
admitted that his patients were on Medicaid. And so that's
public record, and so I can tell you for certain
that one of them did know that his uh that
excuse me, that the doctor's patients were on many of
them were on Medicaid, and so I can't I can't
(30:30):
speak to the other ones. But this really is a
watershed moment for for this type of fraud case, this
False Claims Act case. The Department of Justice has announced
and has said in the past, that this will be
the model that they use for all other pending litigation
in other states. What what I've always wanted and what
(30:51):
my hope has been is that this serves as the
blueprint that other hospitals because of what is you know,
the example that Texas drink. This is setting here. The
precedent that's being set is that other hospitals will now
be compelled to also open the transition centers of their
own at zero cost. And so what a what a remarkable,
(31:14):
redeeming story this is. I just want to say that, yes,
never could I have imagined that this would have been
the outcome that I'm hopeful that this will just be
one clinic, you know, in a long series of future
clinics that will open as a result of this watershed moment.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, because there are a lot of kids, you know,
there are a lot of kids. This it's a trend.
I mean, I hate to I hate to use such
a seemingly dismissive term, but it is a trend. These things.
This was not traditional, This was not historic. There is
not a legacy of this. This was This was a
political trend. It's not medicine. And there are going to
(31:54):
be children who were terribly terribly harmed out of this,
like solidimide or or are taking the clock shot. Vanessa Savic,
you are wonderful, You're fantastic. Please keep up this fight.
It's important and we need you, our children need you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Thank you. Thanks for your donation. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Got it. I will post a link to her site
and if you can give, don't don't ever think that
because I can only give ten, I can only give twenty,
or I can only give fifty, whatever that is. Be
surprised that we raised I mean, how much money we
raise off you not being fat anymore. It wasn't six million,
(32:35):
It was over fifty thousand dollars. I got that list
around here somewhere. There are a lot of people who
came up big on that thing, about a thousand dollars
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