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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I think about the practice of medicine and how it's
changed in the course of my life. My childhood doctor
was Raleigh Allen. He married his nurse who had the
biggest crush on, named Barbara, and he sold his practice.
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He delivered me, he sold his practice. He was my
doctor for my first few years, and he sold his
practice to a doctor Rutledge. And he was my childhood doctor.
He was our family doctor. And he was over on Park,
just all off of sixteenth for those of you who
remember the old little medical, low slung medical offices, probably
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built in about the mid or late fifties, early sixties. Anyway,
just a prince of a man. And as I got older,
or as my dad got older, he continued to be
our doctor. He continued to be my parents doctor. So
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I had to call him because we were having some
treatments done in Houston for my dad and we needed
his files and we needed the doctor to explain his
condition because my dad's had diabetes for sixty six years,
and you just don't find very many diabetics who were
eighty six who've had diabetes that long, because it took
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their vision, their fingers, and their life. But my dad
was very still, very very disciplined in what he ate
and how he took care of his body. It's just
amazing what he did. But I think to myself, I
had called doctor Relig's office and I gave mysel phone
number and asked if somebody from his office could call
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because I needed I needed them to sign off on
something that I had a doctor performing for my dad
here as his primary, as his longtime primary. And I
got a text back and it said, Michael, this is Marty.
I'm available all evening. And I honestly had no idea
who Marty was. And it was a four nine number.
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And I said, sweetheart, who would have texted me from Orange?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
She said? Didn't you call your doctor?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I hadn't talked to doctor Retlige at this point in
forty years. I said, oh my god, he's Martin Rutledge.
He just called himself Marty to me. So I texted
back and I said, doctor Rutlidge, come please, I've text Please,
never call yourself Marty in my presence again. You are
and will always be doctor Rutledge, right, I can't imagine
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calling my childhood pastor, the only pastor I ever knew
at my home church, brother Bobby Spross, Brother Spross. I
can't imagine calling him Bobby. Later in life, he would
see my parents and he would tell my parents how
proud he was of me, and I just can't imagine
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calling him by his first name. I can't imagine calling
my teachers Miss Hardy will always be Miss Hardy. She
can't be June to me. Miss Martin will always be
Miss Martin, she can't be Alice. It's crazy, right anyway.
I just think of the respect I had have for
doctor Rutliche and the respect I have had for doctors now.
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My mother worshiped doctors, and I used to tell her,
you know, just she said, doctor says I have to
do this. Doctor doesn't get to tell you anything. You
were in control of your body. But you know, these
doctors doing things like this at Texas Children is so
disturbing to me. My children went to Texas Children. You know,
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when you are born in a foreign country, you were
exposed to different things that American children weren't exposed to. So,
especially if you're born in Africa, you were exposed to
things that you have to be you have to be
mindful of. And we went to a doctor whose specialty
was children born in Africa, and so you you you
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watch out for for, you know, things gut health. You
know you could be exposed if you drank the water,
you could be exposed to things that American children aren't
exposed to us. You have to be on the lookout
for that and how you're going to treat that, and
a lot of things like that. But I just think
of the respect I have.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I've got.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
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Speaker 3 (05:14):
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He reduced a number of treatments I had to do,
He worked me in I didn't have to go into
the medical center.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I could and he.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Really cares about me as a person. That's a good feeling, right.
That's how it's supposed to That's how your relationship with
your doctor is supposed to be. We have a concierg's doctor,
John Cottingham, who you know, now you don't have to
call and get an appointment and go in and you know,
go in and sit there for hours and fill out
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more forms and all that.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You do one work.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Up, He does your blood, he does your tests, He
you know, talks to you about what conditions you've had.
And after that you don't even know need to go
to the office. In almost every case, you text him
and call him. That's the relationship I have with my doctors.
That's the concierge model. And we've had a number of
concierge doctors. Will Davis, who's a friend of mine. He
transitioned his practice to a concierge practice. And he's not
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my doctor and he's not a show sponsor, but he
treats a lot of my friends who are mutual friends
of ours. And he talks about how his practice changed
once he became a concierge doctor because now he doesn't
he's not stuck in the office having to see seventy
patients a day.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's a horrible model.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
You know, a doctor cannot give you the care and
treatment you need if they can't communicate with you. Because
it's not a question of going in and the doctor
look sit you and says, yep, this is what you have.
It's a process of elimination. Well, let's look at what
your body has done in the past, Let's look at
at your comorbidities, let's look at your genetic history. It's
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possible that you've got this, Let's try to treat it
with this, and and then you work through that. And
it's a collaborative process between you and the doctor. And
and I wanted a Coincierra's doctor for years and we
finally found one. And I'm glad because I'm able to
send him a lot of patients and I get really,
really nice reviews back.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But this is how you should be with your doctor.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
When when people email me and say hey, I'm going
to see wits it, and I always say, I want
to hear your feedback. I want to know how it
went for you. And they don't just say, hey, I
went to Wits it. I got my eye surgery. I
don't have cataracts anymore, and I can see.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, no, that was it.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
They they talk about it as if they've just won
the lottery.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I mean, it is.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Their whole world has changed. And in that sense, Winsond
is like a god man to them, because before they
knew him, they couldn't see, they couldn't drive at night
the lights on, and now all of a sudden, here's
this guy that has just changed. That's how doctors should be,
that's what they should be doing for their patients.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
A lot of these women are chief Michael Mary.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
I think that there might because I got nothing going
on down there.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Probably so.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I saw a post by fellow named Ward Davis. That
name sounds familiar, But we had so many musicians play
at the RCC that the Justin's and Jeremy's and Josh's
and Jacob's and Cooper's and Connors and Cadence they run together.
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And that's my fault, not theirs. That people when I
say that, they think I'm in some way minimizing them.
I don't know if he ever played with us or not,
but he posted something I thought was kind of interesting
with it being so hot, he said. My least favorite
part of mowing is waiting for the morning dew to
evaporate while the air gets hot and thick. I can
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already see the bugs stuck to the sweat on my
arm apprehension of bounds, as I speculate on how many
red whelps I will endure upon completion. In expressing this publicly,
I realized how mundane and ordinary this must all sound
to people who only know me for my music. And
while you might find a little may find little to
know entertainment value in my lamenting the first world inconveniences.
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At least, I'm not burdening you with my views on
politics or my opinions. When I hear the same, we'll say,
crappy music you hear I don't brew trouble.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I might stir it here and there, but never a brewer.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
If this sort of post doesn't suit you, move along,
or may God stick little mean bugs to your arm
on hot days for all the remaining years of your life.
That's a nice, little, nice little thing. We haven't done
this in years, but it was so much fun when
we did years ago, and I would like to do
it again now. And that is some of you are
out in the heat right now, while the rest of
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us enjoy soaking up the air conditioning. Some of you
get up every morning year round. Our winters aren't so bad.
I tell you what, I find extreme cold worse than
the extreme hot. But some of you go out there
and you climb up on a roof. It's hot up there.
Some of you are My buddy, the Aggie plumber is
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up and he's up in attics because he does plumbing,
and they do some ac work, but mostly it's plumbing
out in the country, out in the College Station area.
He don't like to come into Houston and work, but
he's I asked him the other day, I said, how
are things, because he'd been on vacation for a few
days and they've gone up I think they went Colorado,
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drove up through Blue Sky Country. And he said, well,
I'm in an attic right now, and this was in July,
a min an attic, and it's July in College Station.
You do the math, and I said, oh, yes, I'm
not sure I can count that high. It sounds awful.
He said, it's worse than awful. It's vulgar. That you know,
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when you are reaching for the word vulgar to describe
how angry the heat is making you, how thick that
air is, how awful, just untenable it is.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
So here is my question.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
If you work out in the heat, I would like
to hear your trick for how you make it, if
not bearable, survivable. It's amazing to me how necessity is
the mother of invention and people who do things. How
you do something, you do it all.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Day every day.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You get pretty smart about it, right, You start learning
some little tricks, little tricks of the trade. Maybe somebody
at work teaches you this, and you go, wow, that's
a you know, like the first time you learned that
you can cut the tag out of your shirt and
it doesn't have to dig at the back of your neck.
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First time you do that, and all of a sudden,
you don't have you don't have that damn thing back
there scratching on you. That's a good feeling. That's a
real mighty fine feeling right there. So seven one three
nine nine nine one thousand, what do you do.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
To beat the heat?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
A little A little trick that the rest of us
might not know? Seven one three nine one thousand. You know,
there's the line Robert Old King's Robert oil Kenes front
Port song that he and Lyle did about his landlord
when he'd he'd pull up and ask him to come
pull skinny cows out of the mud, and his landlord
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would would roll the window down jeezed enough that he
could hear you, and mostly you could hear him, but
not enough that the air conditioning would go out of
his truck. Anybody that's lived in Texas understands that phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You've all done it, right. Was it Ray Boyet? What
was his name? My landlord Jack?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Was it Jack Boyett? I can't remember it right now,
But anyway, the idea of pulling up and lowering the
window just enough to hear, but I don't want to
let the air condition out of here, because that's that's
the difference between happiness and misery.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
And you knew.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
We used to spend the summers in Portland when the
kids were younger, and we would rent a house every summer.
And the crazy thing was most of the houses didn't
have air conditioning. They didn't need it, or they didn't
think they did. Man, I'm texting, I need air conditioning,
no matter what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm used to it. My wife makes jokes about that book. Anyway.
Seven three, nine, nine, one thousand, Paul, you're up. What
do you do?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Hey, I'm a gardener, so I'm out in the yellard
a lot. The key I found is you get out early.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's what fairly cool.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And it's the boiled frog syndrome.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You don't hardly notice.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
The increase in heat, right the second one. And this
is when I was younger. I hung gutters, so I
was on the roof all day long, and I would
make sure your t shirt was wet, yeah, and it
was almost cold. Then you'd almost be chilled because it
was evaporating so much that it would show your body.
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And I used to weigh one hundred and fifty five
pounds in the summer, one hundred and sixty five in
the winter. And now I'm up to one eighty five.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, so in the heat, I'm five to ten.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Ok, I'm six feet regardless of what Ramom says. And
I'm at one eighty two right now. And I will
tell you I'm a lot less mad at this heat
at one eight two than when I was two thirty nine.
Because the lighter you are, it makes the more pounds
you're carrying in the summer heat difference. Of course, somebody
across from me, it's two hundred and twelve right now.
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I'm very excited about it.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Bobby, What do you do?
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Oh, I'm a mechanical guy out in the field all
the time.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Okay, what do you do to beat the heat?
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Wear a T shirt under a long sleeve shirt. Once
you get sweaty and stuff, it keeps you cooling most
of the day.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
You know what's crazy about that? Years ago, not so
many years ago, I was well into adulthood. I remember
noticing that guys that work outside wear thin, breatheable, long
sleeve shirts. And I remember thinking, well, that's that's counterintuitive.
But and I don't know the engineering behind it, but
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people are the physics behind it. But people who work
out in the sun Rufer's gardeners, they tell me that
it in the long run, you will stay cooler with that.
You don't want to wear a thick a thick shirt,
but a long sleeve shirt is better than no shirt.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And it just defies common sense to me.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
But apparently it works, which is I mean, it just
doesn't seem to make sense, But all right, seven one.
Email me through the website Michael Berry's Show dot com.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
It's Michael Berry's Formal Aware. We have all your formal
ware needs, from morning suits to coordinating accessories.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Bobby writes, you know what's worse than working in an
attic in the summer, sitting in an unnecessary meeting in
an air in an air conditioned conference room. You know,
Joe Ladd sent me that song a few years ago.
He said, Hey, Mark just recorded a new song. And
by and large, I don't want to hear when anybody
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is just recorded. I want to hear the stuff that
you know I've been listening to for thirty years. And
it's it's called hat. It's about how the summer heat.
I said, sounds terrible say that, but I thought, thanks Joe,
all right, go ahead send it along.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
He's sent it. That's dale good song, Joe, thanks for
sitting that all right, So the phone lines we go.
Let's start with Keith. What do you do? What do
you do Keith to beat the summer heat?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Well, well, Michael, I don't have to beat the summer
heat now on mom business. So I work inside in
my house. But growing up, I grew up in central
Texas about halfway between San Antonio and Houston. My dad
did and my uncle did custom hey bailing for people.
So I was out in the fields from twelve to
I was twenty one, and the tricks that they taught
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me were exactly some of the stuff some of these
other people are saying. But when it started getting hot,
we'd go to the cooler. That was when the coolers
had the little spigots on them. Yeah, so you pulled
the little stigott out, you put your cap, you put
your you put your long sleeve shirt under it. Doubts
it with the cold water you put it on, it's
gonna keep it cool. So yeah, that's that's how you
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got through that stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
You know, the old they're usually kind of an orangish
or yellow. I think Igloo makes them. And you see
lawn Cruise. You see those guys. They all they dropped
the bed and they got that uh they got those
those deals and they fill them up with ice and
fill it up with water and that gets them through
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the That is the difference between living and dying right there.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I mean that is huge. Let's go to.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
What's going on with the phones right here we go
James you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
What do you do to beat the heat?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Good morning?
Speaker 7 (18:34):
So I don't do this, but my father did, and
my grandparents did. All the old timers did, and maybe
your parents as well. But in the afternoon, when they
take a break worgan the a sometimes construction, I'd go
to get some water that they didn't. They went and
got a cup of coffee every time.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
It's crazy, they cooled them down. Go figure, Ah, that's yeah.
My parents didn't drink. My dad drank little miller like
pony beers, little little bottles.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
That don't make them anymore. That's those were such. Those
weren't around by the time I started drinking. I wish
they were because they're perfect. I drink the little diet cokes,
you know, the little whatever three inch tall diet cokes.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I don't know how many ounce as that is, but those.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Little beers would be perfect because you don't always want
a full beer now as you just want a little
something to wet your whistle. And that would have been perfect.
But my parents, so my dad quit that and smoking
when I was probably ten years old, and they did
so they didn't drink alcohol as long west and they didn'
drink alcohol, uh, and but coffee, and they drink coffee
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all day long. And then as my mom got older,
she just switch over from leaded to unletted. She'd do
the decaf starting at about two. She drank coffee till
nine ten o'clock at ninety crazy Jason, what about you.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Yes, sir, from being in the army for ten years,
seven of it and they'll pass it at four bliss.
You have to wear the long sleeves because the body's
natural defence to the heat is sweating, and if you
wear short sleeves, the sweat evaporates and it doesn't cool
your body down.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Okay, work that out so so so you still sweat.
But it explained to me what's happening when the shirt
went the long shirt.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
The sweat's cooling your body down. It's not evaporating because
of the sun or the wind, so it cools you down.
But if you have a short sleeve shirt, the sweat
just goes away like it's not even there.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, okay, so you want the sweat to stay there.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Yeah, so that's why it was where you're long. Like
I used to hate, roll your sleeves up. No, because
it's cooler when I rolled my sleeves down, you know,
in your BDUs, I like my sleeves down, Yeah, because
it's cooler that way.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
How long did you serve?
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Ten years?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Thank you for your service? And where were you where?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
They said to you my first duty station, which is ironic.
I took German in high school. I was in Germany
from I'm an old man from ninety five to ninety seven,
and I was at Fort Bliss for like I said,
seven years. I went to Korea, into Saudi and Iraq.
Those are places I wore long sleeve shirts in all
of those places.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You know Johnny Cash, I think he was in the
Air Force, but Johnny Cash was stationed in Germany. They
also decoded using the Enigma a message from Stalin. That's
a great story. I think Tom T. Hall was in
Germany because he's got a couple of songs where he
references that.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
What do you do now, Jason, I'm honorably retired Harris
County Deputy. I was famous twelve years ago. Do you
remember the canine guy that got hit on the boatway?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yes? And that was me. Yeah. We've had you on before,
haven't we. Yes, sir, you're Hispanic, aren't you.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
No, I'm a white boy from Georgia.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You sound Hispanic. You got a little touch of having
a mama that made you tortillas.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
I lived in Texas for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Are you married to a Mextine girl?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Not anymore?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Okay? So you were, yes, sir, that's where you got it, Okay,
all right? What part of the time you live in.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
I live in Hockey right, not too far from the
show go Driving theater. Before they sold it, I could
watch it from my backyard.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I know exactly where you are.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
You like it out there, yes, sir, good for you,
except when people ride horses on boweries and get off
the road.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, right on the grass that little two lane road.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That road needs to be experiened. There's a lot of
rooftops going in in that area. My goodness. If it
wasn't so far from me, I would I would buy
the twenty nine to twenty roadhouse because the work Kelly
Burmester has done, there's no place around town that's built
out as well as that twenty nine to twenty roadhouse.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
He has spared no expense.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
He came over Darcy c and looked at what we
did and he said, I'm gonna do the same thing
out northwest. I said, everybody says that, but he's overbuilt it.
I mean, it's glorious. He's a good operator. Don you're
up what you got everyone?
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Michael, Yes, seventy one years old. I have a outdoorsman
fisherman and was in the ac and hez for a
number of years. And as a young kid, would you know,
go fishing and if you were covered, it would be
a T shirt and a ball cap. And coincidentally, I
just had a dermatologist visit today every three months for
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me and still getting stuff taken care of that I
neglected as a young man and got too much fun.
So that's number one for me. But for me, it's hydrate, hydrate, hydrate,
and cover every inch of skin, long sleeves, you know,
wind pants, uh, you know, waiting pants, something light airy
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and a big flopped hat and maybe a neck eater
if you're so inclined. But if I found that, if
I can keep the sun from beating down on my skin,
I'm not Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
No fisherman. You said you were fisherman. The fisherman learned
that rule? All right?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Phone lines are open seven one, three, nine, one thousand,
seven three nine one thousand.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Listening to The Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Man, I'm gonna tell you, if I'm at Borol's funeral
and they play that, it's gonna be like a black funeral.
I'm gonna go run and jump on the casket. You're
gonna have to pull me off there. That's how my
East Texas family are. My mom would say, I'm not
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gonna say the real names of the people. My mom
would say, if I'm trying to think, If if it
ain't Olive runs up there and jumps on his casket,
you and your brother are gonna have to pull her off.
And my brother, I'm not pulling her off. Well, somebody
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gonna get get her off there. We're not gonna have that.
She'll get up on there, and she won't. She'll try
to crawl in that casket with him. This would be
how that conversation would go. My brother say, well, then
she can get in there with him. I'm not I'm not,
I'm not gonna pull her off. Well, you know that's
what she's gonna do. I'm gonna get up there and
start wailing. She's gonna try to get in that casket
with him.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I missed those conversations.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
That's real conversations, because that really happens anyway. That's how
i'd be with Merle. You know, I think to myself,
what we lived through. If I make it twenty years,
I'm gonna look back and go, man, y'all won't believe this,
But I met Merle Hackard, I got to spend time with.
I towered over Merrile Hackard. He walked up the rent
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that I ordered built in the green room g r
U E n E for green Hall.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
In the back.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
He looked up at a painting that Ken Prigen made
of him that was life site that was about ten
feet tall, and Merle was about five five Liberty fella,
and he looked up at him and said, wow, that's
really cool. And I thought, you're trying to steal my
painting and I ain't giving it to you. I remember
Chris Christofferson looking up at his just being moved by
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the whole thing. We lived through the most amazing period
in music, oh man, the seventies. To think you know
how good it is? So so this guy, Andrew Pope
is a podcast. I'll get to the calls heng on.
He has a podcast and he emailed me, or he
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texted me a few months ago. He said, Hey, I
know you and Chestnut are buddies. I can't get Chestnut
to sit for a interview and I hate to ask,
but I know you're a fan of my podcast. Would
you mind putting him on? So I called him, and
Chestnut's fun to have a conversation with because he doesn't
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talk like how he sings. I've bore you up to
That's how it answered, Hey Bo, what you know? Good?
Hey Mark, I got a favor. I hate to ask.
I know everybody's got a favor, but this guy, Andrew
Pope has got a really good podcast video podcast on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I watch it. I love it. That's behind I know. Yeah,
they asked my people.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I don't want to do it. I do your show.
I'm have to do your show, but I don't do
all that. I'm too old for that. You have a
bunch of questions. You know, what do you regret? And
I don't talk out of that. I'm too old for that.
What am I going to do? You know, I'm trying
to book no more show? Why would I do that?
I know, Mark, it's a favor to me, that important
to you so he has him on and they talked
(27:23):
for about two hours, and the only thing missing from
that podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
A reference to me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Now, I understand when I say that I'm not an idiot.
I understand there's a certain number of people in our audience,
mostly men, who will say, Man, you're the worst dude.
Why does everybody have to talk about you all the time?
And why is your name? It's important to me. It's
important to a lot of people, but they won't admit it.
I'll just tell you it's important to me. I like
(27:52):
to hear my name said. I like to hear someone say, hey,
I want to thank Michael Berry for putting us together
because I pulled a big favor to do this, and
Chestnut do want to do it. And he wasn't glad
he did it because he said the way he was sitting,
he was scrunched up on the couch and he looks
fat and he does, and he wasn't happy about it.
So I burned a favor. Okay, So I told I
sent Andrew. I don't know him, but I texted him.
(28:13):
I said, hey, man, I watched the interview. The only
thing was missing was a reference to me, setting a
damn thing up. He said, Oh, we talked about you
a lot, but it was before we started filming. I said,
that's convenient, all right. Fast forward six weeks ago, a
month ago, he sends me a message. Hey, man, I
hear you and John Conley are tight. I want to
(28:35):
have him on the pot. I did a show about him,
but I want to do an interview with him. And
he won't do the interview. I said, oh, that's okay.
I wouldn't want you to forget to mention me again.
And then I get mad at you. I'd rather just
be a fan than a friend. He said, Man, I'm
so sorry about that. That was terrible. I'll fix that.
I will will, We'll fix that. Okay, all right, I'm mad,
but I want to do it. Put my pride aside
(28:56):
because I'm a big man. So I called John uh
and he has the most mallifluous, malifluous voice.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
His voice is silk man.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
It is smooth and it's enjoyable to talk to him,
and he's almost eighty and it's just smooth and beautiful
and wonderful, and we're talking and you get you get
lulled into just listening to him talk because he still
has it. He still has that beautiful voice that you
hear on backside of thirty or a rose colored glass,
and actually it's deeper in his register when he talks.
(29:28):
So he doesn't want to do it. It's the same thing, man,
I don't I don't want to do interview. They ask you,
but because what happens is everybody wants to ask the
question you know you ever, you know what are you
most regret? They want to get into the bad stuff
because they think that's balanced anyway. So they do the interview,
and so he sends me a text, Hey, interview is
going to hit tomorrow. Pope does it was really good
(29:49):
and so, but he doesn't say I'm in it. I
thought that son of a bitch, he's forgotten to put
me in there. So I fast forward through the opening
because he does this little stupid opening thing where he
talks about he plays little tune himself, and nobody wants
to hear that. So I fast forward two minutes in
and I watched a list of the whole thing is
an hour and for a minute I said, hey, you
forgot to mention me again.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Y'all must have done that before you started.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Recording and he sent back timestamp, timestamp one Dash twenty one,
and I went back.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
This was the very beginning and he mentioned me, and
so I was happy. So Uncle Jerry's going to reopen.
It's not gonna be called the RCC. It's not gonna
be the RCC. It's gonna be a lot smaller. It's
gonna be less music focused, be more of a social club.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
But I can assure you that John Conley and Mark
Chestnut are going to be early, early folks to come
and play because I just love their music.
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Verie Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I think about the practice of medicine and how it's
changed in the course of my life. My childhood doctor
was Raleigh Allen. He married his nurse who had the
biggest crush on, named Barbara, and he sold his practice.
(00:46):
He delivered me, he sold his practice. He was my
doctor for my first few years, and he sold his
practice to a doctor Rutledge. And he was my childhood doctor.
He was our family doctor. And he was over on Park,
just all off of sixteenth for those of you who
remember the old little medical, low slung medical offices, probably
(01:07):
built in about the mid or late fifties, early sixties. Anyway,
just a prince of a man. And as I got older,
or as my dad got older, he continued to be
our doctor. He continued to be my parents doctor. So
(01:28):
I had to call him because we were having some
treatments done in Houston for my dad and we needed
his files and we needed the doctor to explain his
condition because my dad's had diabetes for sixty six years,
and you just don't find very many diabetics who were
eighty six who've had diabetes that long, because it took
(01:49):
their vision, their fingers, and their life. But my dad
was very still, very very disciplined in what he ate
and how he took care of his body. It's just
amazing what he did. But I think to myself, I
had called doctor Relig's office and I gave mysel phone
number and asked if somebody from his office could call
(02:11):
because I needed I needed them to sign off on
something that I had a doctor performing for my dad
here as his primary, as his longtime primary. And I
got a text back and it said, Michael, this is Marty.
I'm available all evening. And I honestly had no idea
who Marty was. And it was a four nine number.
(02:36):
And I said, sweetheart, who would have texted me from Orange?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Like?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
She said? Didn't you call your doctor?
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I hadn't talked to doctor Retlige at this point in
forty years. I said, oh my god, he's Martin Rutledge.
He just called himself Marty to me. So I texted
back and I said, doctor Rutlidge, come please, I've text Please,
never call yourself Marty in my presence again. You are
and will always be doctor Rutledge, right, I can't imagine
(03:08):
calling my childhood pastor, the only pastor I ever knew
at my home church, brother Bobby Spross, Brother Spross. I
can't imagine calling him Bobby. Later in life, he would
see my parents and he would tell my parents how
proud he was of me, and I just can't imagine
(03:29):
calling him by his first name. I can't imagine calling
my teachers Miss Hardy will always be Miss Hardy. She
can't be June to me. Miss Martin will always be
Miss Martin, she can't be Alice. It's crazy, right anyway.
I just think of the respect I had have for
doctor Rutliche and the respect I have had for doctors now.
(03:52):
My mother worshiped doctors, and I used to tell her,
you know, just she said, doctor says I have to
do this. Doctor doesn't get to tell you anything. You
were in control of your body. But you know, these
doctors doing things like this at Texas Children is so
disturbing to me. My children went to Texas Children. You know,
(04:17):
when you are born in a foreign country, you were
exposed to different things that American children weren't exposed to. So,
especially if you're born in Africa, you were exposed to
things that you have to be you have to be
mindful of. And we went to a doctor whose specialty
was children born in Africa, and so you you you
(04:39):
watch out for for, you know, things gut health. You
know you could be exposed if you drank the water,
you could be exposed to things that American children aren't
exposed to us. You have to be on the lookout
for that and how you're going to treat that, and
a lot of things like that. But I just think
of the respect I have.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I've got.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I've got a show sponsor, doctor Kirk Kennedy from Greater
Houston Radiation Oncology. And I've said this, You've heard me
say this before. But the good news is I have
a place to send people when they have.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Prostate cancer.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Now the bad news is every day I hear from
somebody that has prostate cancer, and I just think there's
a lot of people in need out there. But it
makes me so happy that I'm going to get a
note back from that person who says, Wow, your prostate
cancer doc really cared about me. He took care of me.
(05:35):
He reduced a number of treatments I had to do,
He worked me in I didn't have to go into
the medical center.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I could and he.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Really cares about me as a person. That's a good feeling, right.
That's how it's supposed to That's how your relationship with
your doctor is supposed to be. We have a concierg's doctor,
John Cottingham, who you know, now you don't have to
call and get an appointment and go in and you know,
go in and sit there for hours and fill out
(06:03):
more forms and all that.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You do one work.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Up, He does your blood, he does your tests, He
you know, talks to you about what conditions you've had.
And after that you don't even know need to go
to the office. In almost every case, you text him
and call him. That's the relationship I have with my doctors.
That's the concierge model. And we've had a number of
concierge doctors. Will Davis, who's a friend of mine. He
transitioned his practice to a concierge practice. And he's not
(06:31):
my doctor and he's not a show sponsor, but he
treats a lot of my friends who are mutual friends
of ours. And he talks about how his practice changed
once he became a concierge doctor because now he doesn't
he's not stuck in the office having to see seventy
patients a day.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's a horrible model.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
You know, a doctor cannot give you the care and
treatment you need if they can't communicate with you. Because
it's not a question of going in and the doctor
look sit you and says, yep, this is what you have.
It's a process of elimination. Well, let's look at what
your body has done in the past, Let's look at
at your comorbidities, let's look at your genetic history. It's
(07:14):
possible that you've got this, Let's try to treat it
with this, and and then you work through that. And
it's a collaborative process between you and the doctor. And
and I wanted a Coincierra's doctor for years and we
finally found one. And I'm glad because I'm able to
send him a lot of patients and I get really,
really nice reviews back.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
But this is how you should be with your doctor.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
When when people email me and say hey, I'm going
to see wits it, and I always say, I want
to hear your feedback. I want to know how it
went for you. And they don't just say, hey, I
went to Wits it. I got my eye surgery. I
don't have cataracts anymore, and I can see.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, no, that was it.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
They they talk about it as if they've just won
the lottery.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I mean, it is.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Their whole world has changed. And in that sense, Winsond
is like a god man to them, because before they
knew him, they couldn't see, they couldn't drive at night
the lights on, and now all of a sudden, here's
this guy that has just changed. That's how doctors should be,
that's what they should be doing for their patients.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
A lot of these women are chief Michael Mary.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
I think that there might because I got nothing going
on down there.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
Probably so.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I saw a post by fellow named Ward Davis. That
name sounds familiar, But we had so many musicians play
at the RCC that the Justin's and Jeremy's and Josh's
and Jacob's and Cooper's and Connors and Cadence they run together.
(08:54):
And that's my fault, not theirs. That people when I
say that, they think I'm in some way minimizing them.
I don't know if he ever played with us or not,
but he posted something I thought was kind of interesting
with it being so hot, he said. My least favorite
part of mowing is waiting for the morning dew to
evaporate while the air gets hot and thick. I can
(09:17):
already see the bugs stuck to the sweat on my
arm apprehension of bounds, as I speculate on how many
red whelps I will endure upon completion. In expressing this publicly,
I realized how mundane and ordinary this must all sound
to people who only know me for my music. And
while you might find a little may find little to
know entertainment value in my lamenting the first world inconveniences.
(09:41):
At least, I'm not burdening you with my views on
politics or my opinions. When I hear the same, we'll say,
crappy music you hear I don't brew trouble.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I might stir it here and there, but never a brewer.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
If this sort of post doesn't suit you, move along,
or may God stick little mean bugs to your arm
on hot days for all the remaining years of your life.
That's a nice, little, nice little thing. We haven't done
this in years, but it was so much fun when
we did years ago, and I would like to do
it again now. And that is some of you are
out in the heat right now, while the rest of
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us enjoy soaking up the air conditioning. Some of you
get up every morning year round. Our winters aren't so bad.
I tell you what, I find extreme cold worse than
the extreme hot. But some of you go out there
and you climb up on a roof. It's hot up there.
Some of you are My buddy, the Aggie plumber is
(10:38):
up and he's up in attics because he does plumbing,
and they do some ac work, but mostly it's plumbing
out in the country, out in the College Station area.
He don't like to come into Houston and work, but
he's I asked him the other day, I said, how
are things, because he'd been on vacation for a few
days and they've gone up I think they went Colorado,
(11:01):
drove up through Blue Sky Country. And he said, well,
I'm in an attic right now, and this was in July,
a min an attic, and it's July in College Station.
You do the math, and I said, oh, yes, I'm
not sure I can count that high. It sounds awful.
He said, it's worse than awful. It's vulgar. That you know,
(11:22):
when you are reaching for the word vulgar to describe
how angry the heat is making you, how thick that
air is, how awful, just untenable it is.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
So here is my question.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
If you work out in the heat, I would like
to hear your trick for how you make it, if
not bearable, survivable. It's amazing to me how necessity is
the mother of invention and people who do things. How
you do something, you do it all.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Day every day.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You get pretty smart about it, right, You start learning
some little tricks, little tricks of the trade. Maybe somebody
at work teaches you this, and you go, wow, that's
a you know, like the first time you learned that
you can cut the tag out of your shirt and
it doesn't have to dig at the back of your neck.
(12:15):
First time you do that, and all of a sudden,
you don't have you don't have that damn thing back
there scratching on you. That's a good feeling. That's a
real mighty fine feeling right there. So seven one three
nine nine nine one thousand, what do you do.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
To beat the heat?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
A little A little trick that the rest of us
might not know? Seven one three nine one thousand. You know,
there's the line Robert Old King's Robert oil Kenes front
Port song that he and Lyle did about his landlord
when he'd he'd pull up and ask him to come
pull skinny cows out of the mud, and his landlord
(12:53):
would would roll the window down jeezed enough that he
could hear you, and mostly you could hear him, but
not enough that the air conditioning would go out of
his truck. Anybody that's lived in Texas understands that phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You've all done it, right. Was it Ray Boyet? What
was his name? My landlord Jack?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Was it Jack Boyett? I can't remember it right now,
But anyway, the idea of pulling up and lowering the
window just enough to hear, but I don't want to
let the air condition out of here, because that's that's
the difference between happiness and misery.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
And you knew.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
We used to spend the summers in Portland when the
kids were younger, and we would rent a house every summer.
And the crazy thing was most of the houses didn't
have air conditioning. They didn't need it, or they didn't
think they did. Man, I'm texting, I need air conditioning,
no matter what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm used to it. My wife makes jokes about that book. Anyway.
Seven three, nine, nine, one thousand, Paul, you're up. What
do you do?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Hey, I'm a gardener, so I'm out in the yellard
a lot. The key I found is you get out early.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
That's what fairly cool.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And it's the boiled frog syndrome.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You don't hardly notice.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
The increase in heat, right the second one. And this
is when I was younger. I hung gutters, so I
was on the roof all day long, and I would
make sure your t shirt was wet, yeah, and it
was almost cold. Then you'd almost be chilled because it
was evaporating so much that it would show your body.
(14:27):
And I used to weigh one hundred and fifty five
pounds in the summer, one hundred and sixty five in
the winter. And now I'm up to one eighty five.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, so in the heat, I'm five to ten.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Ok, I'm six feet regardless of what Ramom says. And
I'm at one eighty two right now. And I will
tell you I'm a lot less mad at this heat
at one eight two than when I was two thirty nine.
Because the lighter you are, it makes the more pounds
you're carrying in the summer heat difference. Of course, somebody
across from me, it's two hundred and twelve right now.
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I'm very excited about it.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Bobby, What do you do?
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Oh, I'm a mechanical guy out in the field all
the time.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Okay, what do you do to beat the heat?
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Wear a T shirt under a long sleeve shirt. Once
you get sweaty and stuff, it keeps you cooling most
of the day.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
You know what's crazy about that? Years ago, not so
many years ago, I was well into adulthood. I remember
noticing that guys that work outside wear thin, breatheable, long
sleeve shirts. And I remember thinking, well, that's that's counterintuitive.
But and I don't know the engineering behind it, but
(15:40):
people are the physics behind it. But people who work
out in the sun Rufer's gardeners, they tell me that
it in the long run, you will stay cooler with that.
You don't want to wear a thick a thick shirt,
but a long sleeve shirt is better than no shirt.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And it just defies common sense to me.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
But apparently it works, which is I mean, it just
doesn't seem to make sense, But all right, seven one.
Email me through the website Michael Berry's Show dot com.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
It's Michael Berry's Formal Aware. We have all your formal
ware needs, from morning suits to coordinating accessories.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Bobby writes, you know what's worse than working in an
attic in the summer, sitting in an unnecessary meeting in
an air in an air conditioned conference room. You know,
Joe Ladd sent me that song a few years ago.
He said, Hey, Mark just recorded a new song. And
by and large, I don't want to hear when anybody
(16:47):
is just recorded. I want to hear the stuff that
you know I've been listening to for thirty years. And
it's it's called hat. It's about how the summer heat.
I said, sounds terrible say that, but I thought, thanks Joe,
all right, go ahead send it along.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
He's sent it. That's dale good song, Joe, thanks for
sitting that all right, So the phone lines we go.
Let's start with Keith. What do you do? What do
you do Keith to beat the summer heat?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Well, well, Michael, I don't have to beat the summer
heat now on mom business. So I work inside in
my house. But growing up, I grew up in central
Texas about halfway between San Antonio and Houston. My dad
did and my uncle did custom hey bailing for people.
So I was out in the fields from twelve to
I was twenty one, and the tricks that they taught
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me were exactly some of the stuff some of these
other people are saying. But when it started getting hot,
we'd go to the cooler. That was when the coolers
had the little spigots on them. Yeah, so you pulled
the little stigott out, you put your cap, you put
your you put your long sleeve shirt under it. Doubts
it with the cold water you put it on, it's
gonna keep it cool. So yeah, that's that's how you
(17:57):
got through that stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
You know, the old they're usually kind of an orangish
or yellow. I think Igloo makes them. And you see
lawn Cruise. You see those guys. They all they dropped
the bed and they got that uh they got those
those deals and they fill them up with ice and
fill it up with water and that gets them through
(18:18):
the That is the difference between living and dying right there.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I mean that is huge. Let's go to.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
What's going on with the phones right here we go
James you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
What do you do to beat the heat?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Good morning?
Speaker 7 (18:34):
So I don't do this, but my father did, and
my grandparents did. All the old timers did, and maybe
your parents as well. But in the afternoon, when they
take a break worgan the a sometimes construction, I'd go
to get some water that they didn't. They went and
got a cup of coffee every time.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
It's crazy, they cooled them down. Go figure, Ah, that's yeah.
My parents didn't drink. My dad drank little miller like
pony beers, little little bottles.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
That don't make them anymore. That's those were such. Those
weren't around by the time I started drinking. I wish
they were because they're perfect. I drink the little diet cokes,
you know, the little whatever three inch tall diet cokes.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I don't know how many ounce as that is, but those.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Little beers would be perfect because you don't always want
a full beer now as you just want a little
something to wet your whistle. And that would have been perfect.
But my parents, so my dad quit that and smoking
when I was probably ten years old, and they did
so they didn't drink alcohol as long west and they didn'
drink alcohol, uh, and but coffee, and they drink coffee
(19:42):
all day long. And then as my mom got older,
she just switch over from leaded to unletted. She'd do
the decaf starting at about two. She drank coffee till
nine ten o'clock at ninety crazy Jason, what about you.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Yes, sir, from being in the army for ten years,
seven of it and they'll pass it at four bliss.
You have to wear the long sleeves because the body's
natural defence to the heat is sweating, and if you
wear short sleeves, the sweat evaporates and it doesn't cool
your body down.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Okay, work that out so so so you still sweat.
But it explained to me what's happening when the shirt
went the long shirt.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
The sweat's cooling your body down. It's not evaporating because
of the sun or the wind, so it cools you down.
But if you have a short sleeve shirt, the sweat
just goes away like it's not even there.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, okay, so you want the sweat to stay there.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Yeah, so that's why it was where you're long. Like
I used to hate, roll your sleeves up. No, because
it's cooler when I rolled my sleeves down, you know,
in your BDUs, I like my sleeves down, Yeah, because
it's cooler that way.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
How long did you serve?
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Ten years?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Thank you for your service? And where were you where?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
They said to you my first duty station, which is ironic.
I took German in high school. I was in Germany
from I'm an old man from ninety five to ninety seven,
and I was at Fort Bliss for like I said,
seven years. I went to Korea, into Saudi and Iraq.
Those are places I wore long sleeve shirts in all
of those places.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You know Johnny Cash, I think he was in the
Air Force, but Johnny Cash was stationed in Germany. They
also decoded using the Enigma a message from Stalin. That's
a great story. I think Tom T. Hall was in
Germany because he's got a couple of songs where he
references that.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
What do you do now, Jason, I'm honorably retired Harris
County Deputy. I was famous twelve years ago. Do you
remember the canine guy that got hit on the boatway?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yes? And that was me. Yeah. We've had you on before,
haven't we. Yes, sir, you're Hispanic, aren't you.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
No, I'm a white boy from Georgia.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You sound Hispanic. You got a little touch of having
a mama that made you tortillas.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
I lived in Texas for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Are you married to a Mextine girl?
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Not anymore?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Okay? So you were, yes, sir, that's where you got it, Okay,
all right? What part of the time you live in.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
I live in Hockey right, not too far from the
show go Driving theater. Before they sold it, I could
watch it from my backyard.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I know exactly where you are.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
You like it out there, yes, sir, good for you,
except when people ride horses on boweries and get off
the road.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, right on the grass that little two lane road.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That road needs to be experiened. There's a lot of
rooftops going in in that area. My goodness. If it
wasn't so far from me, I would I would buy
the twenty nine to twenty roadhouse because the work Kelly
Burmester has done, there's no place around town that's built
out as well as that twenty nine to twenty roadhouse.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
He has spared no expense.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
He came over Darcy c and looked at what we
did and he said, I'm gonna do the same thing
out northwest. I said, everybody says that, but he's overbuilt it.
I mean, it's glorious. He's a good operator. Don you're
up what you got everyone?
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Michael, Yes, seventy one years old. I have a outdoorsman
fisherman and was in the ac and hez for a
number of years. And as a young kid, would you know,
go fishing and if you were covered, it would be
a T shirt and a ball cap. And coincidentally, I
just had a dermatologist visit today every three months for
(23:10):
me and still getting stuff taken care of that I
neglected as a young man and got too much fun.
So that's number one for me. But for me, it's hydrate, hydrate, hydrate,
and cover every inch of skin, long sleeves, you know,
wind pants, uh, you know, waiting pants, something light airy
(23:32):
and a big flopped hat and maybe a neck eater
if you're so inclined. But if I found that, if
I can keep the sun from beating down on my skin,
I'm not Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
No fisherman. You said you were fisherman. The fisherman learned
that rule? All right?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Phone lines are open seven one, three, nine, one thousand,
seven three nine one thousand.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Listening to The Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Man, I'm gonna tell you, if I'm at Borol's funeral
and they play that, it's gonna be like a black funeral.
I'm gonna go run and jump on the casket. You're
gonna have to pull me off there. That's how my
East Texas family are. My mom would say, I'm not
(24:22):
gonna say the real names of the people. My mom
would say, if I'm trying to think, If if it
ain't Olive runs up there and jumps on his casket,
you and your brother are gonna have to pull her off.
And my brother, I'm not pulling her off. Well, somebody
(24:44):
gonna get get her off there. We're not gonna have that.
She'll get up on there, and she won't. She'll try
to crawl in that casket with him. This would be
how that conversation would go. My brother say, well, then
she can get in there with him. I'm not I'm not,
I'm not gonna pull her off. Well, you know that's
what she's gonna do. I'm gonna get up there and
start wailing. She's gonna try to get in that casket
with him.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I missed those conversations.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
That's real conversations, because that really happens anyway. That's how
i'd be with Merle. You know, I think to myself,
what we lived through. If I make it twenty years,
I'm gonna look back and go, man, y'all won't believe this,
But I met Merle Hackard, I got to spend time with.
I towered over Merrile Hackard. He walked up the rent
(25:28):
that I ordered built in the green room g r
U E n E for green Hall.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
In the back.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
He looked up at a painting that Ken Prigen made
of him that was life site that was about ten
feet tall, and Merle was about five five Liberty fella,
and he looked up at him and said, wow, that's
really cool. And I thought, you're trying to steal my
painting and I ain't giving it to you. I remember
Chris Christofferson looking up at his just being moved by
(25:59):
the whole thing. We lived through the most amazing period
in music, oh man, the seventies. To think you know
how good it is? So so this guy, Andrew Pope
is a podcast. I'll get to the calls heng on.
He has a podcast and he emailed me, or he
(26:23):
texted me a few months ago. He said, Hey, I
know you and Chestnut are buddies. I can't get Chestnut
to sit for a interview and I hate to ask,
but I know you're a fan of my podcast. Would
you mind putting him on? So I called him, and
Chestnut's fun to have a conversation with because he doesn't
(26:44):
talk like how he sings. I've bore you up to
That's how it answered, Hey Bo, what you know? Good?
Hey Mark, I got a favor. I hate to ask.
I know everybody's got a favor, but this guy, Andrew
Pope has got a really good podcast video podcast on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I watch it. I love it. That's behind I know. Yeah,
they asked my people.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I don't want to do it. I do your show.
I'm have to do your show, but I don't do
all that. I'm too old for that. You have a
bunch of questions. You know, what do you regret? And
I don't talk out of that. I'm too old for that.
What am I going to do? You know, I'm trying
to book no more show? Why would I do that?
I know, Mark, it's a favor to me, that important
to you so he has him on and they talked
(27:23):
for about two hours, and the only thing missing from
that podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
A reference to me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Now, I understand when I say that I'm not an idiot.
I understand there's a certain number of people in our audience,
mostly men, who will say, Man, you're the worst dude.
Why does everybody have to talk about you all the time?
And why is your name? It's important to me. It's
important to a lot of people, but they won't admit it.
I'll just tell you it's important to me. I like
(27:52):
to hear my name said. I like to hear someone say, hey,
I want to thank Michael Berry for putting us together
because I pulled a big favor to do this, and
Chestnut do want to do it. And he wasn't glad
he did it because he said the way he was sitting,
he was scrunched up on the couch and he looks
fat and he does, and he wasn't happy about it.
So I burned a favor. Okay, So I told I
sent Andrew. I don't know him, but I texted him.
(28:13):
I said, hey, man, I watched the interview. The only
thing was missing was a reference to me, setting a
damn thing up. He said, Oh, we talked about you
a lot, but it was before we started filming. I said,
that's convenient, all right. Fast forward six weeks ago, a
month ago, he sends me a message. Hey, man, I
hear you and John Conley are tight. I want to
(28:35):
have him on the pot. I did a show about him,
but I want to do an interview with him. And
he won't do the interview. I said, oh, that's okay.
I wouldn't want you to forget to mention me again.
And then I get mad at you. I'd rather just
be a fan than a friend. He said, Man, I'm
so sorry about that. That was terrible. I'll fix that.
I will will, We'll fix that. Okay, all right, I'm mad,
but I want to do it. Put my pride aside
(28:56):
because I'm a big man. So I called John uh
and he has the most mallifluous, malifluous voice.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
His voice is silk man.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
It is smooth and it's enjoyable to talk to him,
and he's almost eighty and it's just smooth and beautiful
and wonderful, and we're talking and you get you get
lulled into just listening to him talk because he still
has it. He still has that beautiful voice that you
hear on backside of thirty or a rose colored glass,
and actually it's deeper in his register when he talks.
(29:28):
So he doesn't want to do it. It's the same thing, man,
I don't I don't want to do interview. They ask you,
but because what happens is everybody wants to ask the
question you know you ever, you know what are you
most regret? They want to get into the bad stuff
because they think that's balanced anyway. So they do the interview,
and so he sends me a text, Hey, interview is
going to hit tomorrow. Pope does it was really good
(29:49):
and so, but he doesn't say I'm in it. I
thought that son of a bitch, he's forgotten to put
me in there. So I fast forward through the opening
because he does this little stupid opening thing where he
talks about he plays little tune himself, and nobody wants
to hear that. So I fast forward two minutes in
and I watched a list of the whole thing is
an hour and for a minute I said, hey, you
forgot to mention me again.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Y'all must have done that before you started.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Recording and he sent back timestamp, timestamp one Dash twenty one,
and I went back.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
This was the very beginning and he mentioned me, and
so I was happy. So Uncle Jerry's going to reopen.
It's not gonna be called the RCC. It's not gonna
be the RCC. It's gonna be a lot smaller. It's
gonna be less music focused, be more of a social club.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
But I can assure you that John Conley and Mark
Chestnut are going to be early, early folks to come
and play because I just love their music.
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