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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Chad Orfield as our guest. He's the CEO of rigzone
dot com and if you go to the website you'll
see that in addition to be a marketplace from the industry,
not the outside press that tends to hate energy, the
greeny weenies and the left wingers. It is from within
the industry. It is information about the energy industry. And
(00:21):
it's also the largest job placement within the industry for
all sorts of jobs, and they're hiring, and that was
the real reason we reached out to Chadnorville of rigzone
dot com as part of our business Leader Insight series
from NetSuite by Oracle, and you, as a CFO can
get their free guide to machine learning and AI and
(00:43):
how you can use it in your own company at
NetSuite dot com. Forward slash Berry my last name. I mean,
technically you'd not put my last name in there, but
you make me look good if you do, and I
appreciate it. NetSuite dot com Forward slash Berry. So you
were talking about AI and the role of AI, and
you don't see that replacing a lot of jobs in
the short run. You see it more as something that
(01:06):
employees will just have to use as a tool. Is
that what I'm hearing you say?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Absolutely? And I can give you an example.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Last month, I was at the Saudi Aramco Gala for
the fiftieth anniversary of Iranco America's in Houston.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It was a fantastic event.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I met a gentleman there who leads their data services,
brilliant guy double master's double PHC from MIT.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
He leads data sciences there.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
We're just fascinating fellow talking to him talking to some
other folks at a data science event actually last year,
and they're using AI for some really interesting purposes. One
of them I can tell you that I thought was
interesting is they're using it looking at machines to predict
when they were going to break down.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You know, it's cash is king.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You need your you need to be producing, and so
pump's big machinery that they leverage out in the old field.
Being able to tell when those things need you know,
the appropriate time to service them, what when the general
times that they break down under what conditions and what
oil fields and you know what environment.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
These AI models that they're developing can more accurately do
that and it creates more efficiency. So you hear everyone
say you know, we don't have as many rigs, but
they operate more efficiently. This is part of why they're
operating more efficiently.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know. You hear that and you don't know what
it means. This is what it means.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
They're bringing AI to bear and that doesn't mean it's
doing it on its own and a robot is bringing it.
Back to leadership, there are engineers and managers out in
the field that they're help using AI modeling to optimize wells,
and they're responsible for a group or a field of wells.
They're able to more efficiently and effectively look at all
of that data, make decisions, look at suggestions, look at
(02:41):
past experience, and those models can look at all of
this data significantly more effectively than a person could and
find patterns, find trends. This is what AI is bringing
to the industry.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Just just one example.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
They're using AI to uh, you know, for safety mech
you know, processors looking to see if people are.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Not wearing hard hats. You know, I mean, it's as
simple as that.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
There's a lot of really interesting things that AI is
actually doing. Everyone sees AI or here's it and thinks terminator, No, no, no,
you know, We're far from there. I'm not saying we're
not going to get there, but you know, right now,
they're really interesting tools that we can use to our advantage.
I use chat GPT to brainstorm, and as you ask
(03:24):
for an assistant, I'll need one because I have these
AI tools now to create frameworks for code whenever I
need it.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Give me a project you were working on where you
did that. Because I'm not I'm not a big tech person,
but I understand how it can be. Give me a
real life example of when you used it recently.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So just writing queries, I can tell it what the
data structures look like and give them, you know, the
information that shows them what data I'm dealing with, tell
them what's there, and you know, the more experience you
have with them, and the more detailed and the better
the question if you will to the AI, the better
sponsor you're going to get. So a very detailed set
(04:03):
of information with guidelines or rules. I gave it that,
and it was able to write a query that might
have taken me forty five minutes of you know, ironing
and ironing out and tweaking.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It was able to do almost instantaneous.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Now I've not got one piece of code or anything
back from any of the big aips and I use
the Big three eye tools from Google, Tragedy too and profit.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I'm not getting anything that's not wrong on the first go.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You have to look at it, you have to supervise
the work, and I have to change something on every piece.
But it's giving me the head start. It's doing, you know,
forty percent minimum of the foundation of the core code,
the framework, and I ask it for framework more than anything,
and then I'll fill in the you know, the pieces
that that I know it's not going to do because
(04:47):
it doesn't have experience, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Know that data like I do.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But those that's just one example, you know, just brainstorming anything,
any types of ideas out you know, I was talking
about AI on you rigsone. You know, we're looking at
putting ending pages together.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
They're around that to show people, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I said, salary, Well, people can't go and think on
their own. Let's asked, well, we'll prevent will present them
a bunch of salary information. Culture recruiters that are using
our site, are using our recruitment services and for our
candidates just to get an idea of kind of what
are ranges looking like for this type of role?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
What does entry level? What does experience? Mid level or senior?
You know, we'll generate all of that and create it
for them.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So I was looking at categories, you know, I had
my idea of what they could be. Hey, what are
some other ones I may be overlooking?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Right again? As a brainstorming tool, it's it's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well, I don't want to sound like a shameless shield
for the folks who love our business series at Oracle,
but as you know, that's what NetSuite does is a
CFO needs information and making sense of data. And so
I'm not a person who uses that, but I am
a person who has people who use that. When I
ask my CPA at Deroch Partners, hey can you tell
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me what I should be paying this employee for this level?
They can pull data in a much faster that is,
actual data from real data sets and make some sense
of it in so many different ways for me to
make better decisions. And so I think that's what people.
You know, I was originally afraid of AI because you know,
there's all the robot movies, but it's gonna happen one
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way or another. And it's a question of using it
as a tool. I mean, I don't know how old
you are. I'm fifty four. When I was a kid,
we were so afraid of technology because technology was going
to be awful. But in most cases, technology has made
my life easier.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
We bitch about cell phones, but I can call my
wife while I'm driving home and say, honey, I'll be
home in twenty minutes, and she says, oh great, I
can put the cornbread in, whereas I don't have to
wait to get there. And I mean it's little things,
but it.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Matters, right, Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's what Bill Gates said right when it's talking about
the Internet in his early landmark book. You know, it's
like it's going to wash over the world like a wave,
and it has all technology. Does that like what the
iPhone is, like what social media has done? You know,
not always sometimes it is to the detriment, but in
general it makes data accessible and data is the big
difference you talked about, NetSuite. I can tell you just
(07:03):
talking to the folks that are AKO and others that
are leveraging AI for you know, field operations for optimization
out in the field and wells and drilling and you know,
geophysical where are we going to drill.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
All of these types of things.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
One thing that's really important that data scientists are doing
is they're not spending as much time on the modeling.
They're spending more time on the data that's going into
a terabytes, massive exobites, massive amounts of data that's going
in cleaning that data to where it's actually usable. That's
where they're spending a good portion of their time and
expertise is taking all this data that these tools out
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in the field spin out and putting it in a
format to where it's actually usable. You know, in the
in tech they have of saying garbage in garbage out right,
You've got to give it the right things. It's the
same as a question to an AI, you know tool
a large language model. You've got to ask it the
right questions and frame it properly, and then you're going
to get some pretty interesting things out of it, and
it'll really be useful.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Americans a nation that can be defined in a single world.
I was gonna foot him at number.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Not only was it authentic frontier jibbery, an expressed.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Their courage scene of this day and the Michael Berry
show Chat Norville is our guest. He is the CEO
of rigzone dot com, which is a marketplace of information, news,
insight analysis on energy jobs so drilling, refining, downhol downstream, upstream,
midstream investment, and the largest job placement for people in
(08:31):
the energy industry. Which is so your website, rigzone dot
com says seven hundred and twenty thousand industry professionals can't
be wrong. Is that how many people accume your site
or what does that number represent?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, it's actually small when you consider it from that term.
Seven hundred thousand plus is how many just receive our
daily newsletter every day and we have well over one
hundred and twenty thousand that open it every day. It's
not the same that are opening it every day. We
have six to seven hundred thousand different and industry professionals
that get impressions.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
From rig zone every day.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Outside of that, so across emails, the website, all of
our social channels and digital marketing mechanisms.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's broad. It's vast that you know, we have.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We touched a lot of parts of the industry, you know,
across all of our jobs, news events.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Uh, yeah, it's vast, to say the least.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It's uh, it's just incredible how little information bleeds out
that's truthful and useful to the general public. When this is,
you know, energy, people forget energy. People think of it
as just jobs, or just oil or gasoline. Etchy. Energy
is at the core of everything we do, not just
heating and cooling, every product that we use. I mean,
(09:41):
it's just incredible. By the way, I don't know what
the stock market's done today. I haven't checked, but energy
is at the heart of your stock portfolio, which when
you retire, your four oh one K is going The
bedrock of most four oh one K plans today is
those safe blue chip inner g stocks, and you know
the greeny winnies want to attack them. You better hope
(10:04):
those companies that are called evil and their profits continue
to be profitable because that's what's holding up your stock
price for school teachers and plumbers and everybody else. And
that that is easy to forget. Chad, I wanted you
to finish that sentence if you remember what you were
saying before I filibustered you, And then I want to
ask for your advice for people wanting to into the industry.
Do you remember what you were saying or did I
(10:24):
did I throw you off?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, well let me ask you this. You were talking
about who's hiring. Let's start with entry level. Let's say
I get a lot of emails from people who've just
gotten out of the military, and they say, what should
I do? Where should I go? Who's hiring? They want
a career, not just a job, right, So they don't
want to go do fast food. They want to start
in a career. And I tell people find a job
(10:49):
in energy because the upsides are crazy. What do you
say to that guy, he just got out of the Marines.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, So, first and foremost, the very explicit oil and
guys roles and in training and education is going to
be there for a long time as long as someone
at that point would be able to fulfill a career
with it. So, whether that's patrol engineering or mechanical engineering
focus on oil and gas, geology, chemical engineering, and electional
(11:16):
engineering focusing on oil and gas, those things are going
to be there for the foreseeable future. I mean for
the next to twenty fifty I would guess at least,
you know, like I said, emerging markets are coming online
We're not going to see a significant change in at
least the demand side of oil and gas for a
good while.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So I think they could still fulfill a strong career.
And here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Some people might be reticent to go get a patrol
engineer degree, so there's gonna be less competition. There's a
lot of people with a lot of experience.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
They're going to be.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Retiring, right the boomers and all of them have already
started to. But there's going to be openings and opportunities there.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
For those folks.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You know, there's a lot of opportunities still in those fields.
So I would tell them you probably have more opportunity
because this can be more demand for you because it'll.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Be year of you.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Aside from that, if you are concerned and you're wanting
something more transferable.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
We talked earlier about the tech roles. Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
You know, electrical and instrumentation are massive and you don't
have to get a full batch first degree to do that.
You could get an associates or certification. So for electrical, Uh,
there's electrical engineering technology, power distribution technicians are in massive demand.
Huge old services companies I know right now, are you
know jumping at the bits to get power distribution folks,
(12:31):
power plant technology, energy systems, uh, industrial maintenance technology, so
you can be a maintenance tech. They're massive demand and
they're transferable skills.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Uh. Those are associates degree certifications. There's a.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
SEE certify, there's a power systems tech electrical power distributions certifications.
I know those are out there industrial electricians.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You could do any of those things, right.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
That could be as little as three or six months
on those certifications, and you could at a job. There
are those roles out there for those folks, and they'd
love to train you up. And like I said, it's transferable.
You could do a lot of different things. A lot
of industries you know, require those skills. On the instrumentation
and you know you talked earlier about valves automatically changing
and whatnot. That's PLC programming right, it's uh, the programmable
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programmable logic controllers.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
These automation and control technologies same thing.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You can get a socius degree and instrumentation or controls automation. Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
They have robotics technology which is cool that goes into
a ROV. We have huge companies we work with that
just focus on that oceaneering is huge in that space.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Uh, there's a few other companies we work with that
do that as well.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Obviously, electrical engineering you don't have to have a double E.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's a fantastic degree. I would encourage you to get
it if you have the time and the means.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But you can get an electrical Engineering Technology Associates. Uh,
that's your maintenance placing here too, and instrumentation and automate
automation roles. So uh those as sociates degree, spend two
years user Uh, you know your grant from the military
and go do that. You need to work and you
want to do something shorter term. The certifications and automation
and instrumentation too.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
There's control systems.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Tech certifications, there's automation professionals. You can get a PLC
Programming certification. Those exist for someone coming in. Those are
really highly transferable skills and things that aren't massively time
consuming to go get a certification or associate's.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Degree on the government that you've earned and you know,
we appreciate you and please take advantage of it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I would say that for that person from the military
looking into it, those are you know, good skills that
are going to be there no matter what happens at
set your mind at ease. If you were concerned about
the industry, which I'm not. You mentioned certifications earlier, if
you have worked in the old patch at all, or
you have some kind of experience.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Around certain things.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
API American Patrol Institute, which is a massive partner of ours.
They have really great certification programs, so they do a
lot of inspection different certifications, so piping, pressure vessels, tank inspectors,
you know, HSC related things and inspections always going to
be really highly needed and sought after.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
So those are really good certifications to get Q one
and Q too.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
This is more of a senior professional type of role,
but those are great certifications at API as well, you know,
designing implementing quality management systems kind of in line with
the ISO.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
And so do you go to API to get that certification?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yes, yeah, you reach out to them and they have
folks on staff and'd be more than happy to talk
to you about what your experience has been and you
know what might fit starting from scratch. I don't know
that those would necessarily be useful, you'd probably be more
Those are folks probably that have been around it or
have a little more experience. But again you could talk
to them. I don't know from the ground up what
you know. They all have available, like I said, the
other associates and certifications or things I know a bit
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more about where I think they could get right in
without any experience in any of those technologies.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Chad Norville is the CEO of rigzone dot com and
they have job hostings there in the energy industry. I
get a lot of emails from you folks out there
looking for a job, have just come out of the military,
and this is where I'll send you more with Chadnorville
rig zone dot com coming.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
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(17:20):
ask you an operational question. Do you say Norville or
do you say Norville?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Everyone says Norville. My grandfather told me it was Norville.
I'll respond to either.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Where are you from?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm from Houston.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Where'd you go? Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Deer Park?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Where'd you go to high school?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Park? High School?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Did you know Andy Pettitt?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
No, I've been around him. He was a little before me.
I'm mid forty, so he was a little older. But yeah,
so I'm a church you know, my cousins, my in
law's go to his church, and so you know, I'd
see them all around a lot. But you know, we
weren't friends, friends or anything of that nature.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Did you ever find yourself stopping and marveling at how
high he kicked his right leg when he would throw
those big looping curveballs.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Oh yeah, amazing? Right, So you know who else did
that ramon?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
You might know? Are you a baseball fan, Chad?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Oh of course, huge fan.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So uh, there was a picture for the Oakland A's
named Barry he had he was a lefty. He also
what Zeno Berry Zito he also had that you never
see right handed pitchers do this. They have that pitch
that feels like, I mean, it looks to me when
you see the ball coming in, it looks like the
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ball came from behind their head, like in the in
the ball of your neck. And it's just just big, looping,
off speed pitch that gives batters fits. And Pettitt had it,
and Barry Zito had it. And by the way, for
anybody out there listening, I have a number of mutual
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friends with Andy Pettitt who have politely explained to him
that I would like to be his best friend. And
it hasn't worked out yet, and so I don't know
how to do that without it being weird. Just hold on, Chad,
this is very important. But since you're from Deer Park,
I need to get somebody out there is going to
be close friends with Andy and he's going to say, oh,
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I'll put y'all together and then it's just going to
happen and he can work on my pitching mechanics. Did
you play baseball?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I did?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Did soccer in high school if you went on to
play college.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Well, yeah, of course, but like everyone, you play all
the sports and you kind of end up sticking.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
With what you're best at.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
So I was pretty fast and pretty good at soccer,
so the rest went away.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
You know, what was your in high school? What did
you graduate at?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I was just sort of sick foot and probably won
seventy five.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Ramon says, if you say just under six foot, you
were actually five to ten broll. You don't know him
enough to say.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
That, I'll at least five to eleven. Okay, guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
What was your forty time? Would you guess?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I think at my peak i'd probably touch four or
five in the four fives for six four seven was easy.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Hold on, you think you ran a forty in high
school at four or five?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Well, that probably right after high school when I.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Went to college.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That's human for a white boy. That's fast.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I mean, okay, I think I probably hit a high
four or five at some point. I never did, but
I'm assuming I probably could have at some point at my.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Peak fitness level. I'm projecting. I'll admit, don't have proof
from that. I know.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
If you know, look, if you were fast. You know
you were fast. I mean, I don't think a guy's
going to say there were four or five. If you
know they played O line, you know for Nebraska, that
means you were fast. I'm not doubting it. I'm saying
I'm I'm putting a marker on this moment so that
I think about it later that that I'm putting a
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ribbon on it. That's a big deal. Okay. So then
you go off to Iowa to en Sioux City at
the little school you wouldn't hardly give me the name of.
And then where did you go from there?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah? So it had some Japanese affiliation.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
In the nineties they had a great depression basically, so
started pulling out money and had accreditation issues.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You know, I was making pretty good, good grades. I
didn't want to stick around for that, so I.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Transferred by U of H got into programming. Like I said,
I was doing a joint program on chemical plant operations.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
So I fum one credit, shy of having an associate
screen and that I was going to program SCATA and
do that for the plants.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
It was kind of the thinking at the time, But
then I started really liking the computer programming, and uh
so I kind of let that go and ended up
finishing my bachelor science degree and information systems and then
I got an.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
MBA where did you get your.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Hula?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And then were you working at the time?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I was.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I was going to score at night for AT and T,
which was an amazing experience because the space program was
the Shuttle program was still going in full force. So
my mentors were double PhDs, you know, directors of the
International Space Station before it was called Space Station Freedom.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Uh that was one of my mentors. So it was
really interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I got to do that and talk to those folks,
and then I got to you know, at AT and T.
I developed some code and programs that kind of got
some attention and ended up uh meeting some of the
C suite folks who kind of took me under their wing.
And Karen Jennings, who was time twenty five most influential women,
helped me out a bit. And you know, just to
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get manage of different opportunities when there was that's the
whole thing, right, It's about you know, it's about playing
ball whenever.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Of course the time time, of course, what did your
dad do.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Construction?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So your interest in computer programming. And I asked this
because I had no interest in computers or certainly not
making it figuring out how one worked. What do you
think sparked the interesting computer program because I my nephew
does it, and I think it's a great field. By
the way, Oh, by the way, Chad, I don't know
(23:34):
if you're hiring or not, but my nephew needs a job.
He just graduated from Lamar with like a three to eight.
It's my brother, my late brother's son, and he's starting
to work on his NBA. And if you were to
hire him as part of this interview, that'd be great.
When it ramoned, Ramone said that'd be great. I'm just
kidding you, but I am looking for him a job.
No pressure, Yeah, yeah, no pressure at all. You don't
(23:55):
have to make the decision right now. I'll send you
the his resume during the break. But here's what's weird.
And I tell him his name is Braiden. Braiden, what
made you want to be a computer programmer? Our family
is cops and oil fill workers and one guy who
talks on the radio. You literally have nobody in our
family who can do anything more than turn a computer
(24:17):
on and that's a big deal. Like why it's just
so odd to me that people have that interest. I
guess just because it doesn't come naturally to me. Maybe
that's the reason we're talking to Chad Norville or Norville
of rigzone dot com and we will continue our conversation
with him coming up.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Story Kung on Michael Bay Good Shoga on dog Lump.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Rigzone dot com is the site of where the energy
industry goes to find jobs, to post jobs, to get
inside information, to talk about what oil prices are, what
futures are doing, who's buying, who's selling, what the trends are.
Rigzone dot com. They are not a sponsor Ramon an
(25:06):
answer your question, but they one day will be because
it's a perfect partnership. But that's not why he's our guest.
He's our guest because I've been wanting to talk energy
for a while. So for folks that are simply saying, hey,
I don't have any special skills, I go back to
my marine that just got out. Because this comes up
a lot. Is there a company I get I might
get you in trouble if you pick one, But is
there a company that you are a mean? Can they
(25:28):
go to rigzone and put their information on there, and
they're gonna because nobody wants to do monster or any
of that anymore. Somebody wants to get hired right now.
They're willing, willing to work hard, and they're willing to
travel as far as Midland, not further. Well, they'll go
Midland to the west and Homa to the east. Are
they going to Is there a job waiting for them
right now?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah? Potentially, I think.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
You know, Unfortunately, everything is technology based now, so it's
kind of you know, entry paid entry.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Right. You have to have a CV or resume of some.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Sorts and you need to upload it for our website.
You upload it to rig zone, activate your your account,
your CV, do some searching, do some applying.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
We have AI mechanisms in there that will do what
it can to help you. It will look at what
your qualifications are, It will look at what job titles
you've had previously, or what your experiences are. It will
keep an eye out on those. As long as you have,
for instance, emails activated, it will look at those things,
and as jobs become available that you qualify for, it
will send you those and it's tiered, so it's going
to give you the most optimal job for your experiences
(26:23):
and what you're looking for right then, and then it'll
tear down and say, okay, let's step out a little
more broadly and see if there's anything in the space
maybe that you know might work for you. And then
it'll go even more general. So not everything is going
to be on the nose, but it's looking all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So dismiss the ones.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
That aren't that you don't think work. Keep an eye
out because when the ones do. When the market does
start picking up, and like I said earlier, we are
a lot of folks are expecting that to start happening.
As you know, all of these unleashed American energy policies
start really taking hold. In one of those you know,
I talked about some of the policy for the regulations
and the red tape being removed.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He gave them thirty days.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
To do this, so some of us might start happening
pretty quick, and the industry is, you know, anxious for it.
They'll start happening and popping on the website. We start
sending emails to those folks. As I told you, we
send thirty million emails a month.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's not spam. Those are people that wanted to be
on our website. If someone's getting emails because they asked
to on our website.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
If someone has a job on our website one of
our recruiters, it's because that does an active job that
they want on our website. We don't discourge them each
stuff there. Like all of these other generalists and other competitors,
those are people we work with. If you see people
on our website, we talk to those companies. Most of
them we talked to you for a long time and
pretty consistently, so you know, we're doing our best for
the candidates to really try to help them find those
(27:39):
roles on the website. We have job fairs. Go to
our events and look at what job fairs are coming
up and you can go and talk to those folks
on site. Almost every event will have someone that they're
looking to train up and give you know, entry level
without experience, and it's broad right. There's a lot of
different types of roles that they'll take in and they'll
train you up. Some of them are a little harder.
(28:02):
You have to have certifications for some kind of training
in order to do it. Like electricity, there's liability issues
I can't just take anywhere. But there are a lot
of other types rules, you know, floral and decands. A
lot of people make a lot of money in this
industry that started kind of at the bottom.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And worked their way up.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
And you can do it quickly, you know, in some instances,
so they're still offshore. There's floating production. There's engineering and
procurement in construction, right, they call them PPC.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Companies, ministry pipelines.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
There's welding, massive you know, mechanics or fruly high demands,
like very high demand, actually engineering and designs. There's just
so many ultra equipment cranes, operators, you know, heavy machinery operators.
Last year, I saw that job at our job fairs
as much as any job probably if you just you know,
(28:51):
operate a hydro machinery, you have experience doing that in
the military.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Imagine are out there, Yeah, and hey those are the
real toys, right. If you can drive a tank and
veer away from IED's under fire air and ground assault,
then yeah, I think you can operate this piece of
equipment for one of the rig Zone dot Com sponsors,
(29:14):
one of the companies out in the offield. I didn't
think about that, but I mean talk about an experience.
But a lot of guys in your industry tell me
that they consciously look for veterans because these are guys
that work on a team, that make sacrifice, that are disciplined,
that are tough, and it's something that is an ideal
set of talents, particularly for that field.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, so look for our industry and every industry says this,
but you know they say communication. It's almost a cliche, right, communications,
and you know, the intangibles, those are off the charts
for these folks, right, They're they're like the best of
the best when it comes to those skills, those off
the paper skills, if you will. So they absolutely, you know,
(29:57):
want those those types of candidates. When we we did
one in San Antonio last year, I believe this last year.
We do them every year, they're pretty much but we
did one out there and they focus on Eagle Forward.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
But we had the there's.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
A lot of military influence at San Antonio, right, they
have bases out there, and the NSA has people out
there that work with the UTSA. My son's actually studying
cybersecurity at UTSA. It's about to be a senior So
that's why because they're one of the few institutions in
the United States that has a relationship with the NESSA. Uh,
but they have a lot of military personnel there. So
(30:32):
for the job fair, we reached out to all those
organizations and said, look, these companies.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Would love to talk to you. Please come out and
have a conversation with them and see if there's something
there for you. Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
You know, I would encourage our military and ex military
to always come to our job fair as I talk
to those folks because they are wanted, they're highly regarded,
and they're you know, strong employees that I think most
of our companies would absolutely, you know, love to have.
And like I said, there are there's a lot of
things that you can do in the military. It's not
just like infantry in the front.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
There's you know, people do communications, that do technology, they
do heavy.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Machinery, and those were all heavily required skills and roles
in our industry. You know, like I said, I I
can say without a doubt, I in tech and heavy machinery,
operator and operators and other types of machinery. Those are
For the last twelve months, I've seen those out the
job fairs, probably more than any of the other roles.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
That's interesting, and you foresee that continuing for some time.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, would it would even more so, right the quantity
of them.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
You would have other roles that would be equally needed.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
As things start kicking off again, whenever Trump's policies really
start taking hold, I would see more of the other
types of roles in addition to those. But those wouldn't
be falling back, right, the others would just be gaining
in quantity. So yeah, that's not going to change. It's
still those needs are going to be there out in
the wherever. Maybe maybe on our old field or maybe
(31:56):
on a it could be. There's a lot of different variants,
like I said, prayings and you know, all kinds of
different machinery.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It is. It's so interesting because the energy industry being
such a critical part of our economy. You know, you
think of healthcare, you think of energy, think of agriculture.
I mean, these are the big ones, and it affects
every aspect of our lives, from the gas we put
in our car to every product on your desk, every plastic,
(32:24):
every implant, every you know, fluid. It all comes from
the energy industry, and then it underpins your four oh
one K, your retirement, your investments. But it's also of
critical importance, and particularly to me, because if you don't
have a job, then politics matters a lot less to
you than putting food on the table. And that's why
(32:45):
I wanted to talk to rigzone dot com. Chad Noorville,
you are a great guest. I appreciate you devoting so
much time to us. Let's talk again, and next time
you're having a job fair here in Houston, if you'll
shoot me an email, I will gladly promote it on
the air because that helps our people.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So we do Houston at least at least three times
a year, sometimes four.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So we have one there March fifth.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
All right, as we get closer, I will Is it
free to somebody to the to the interviewee, to the.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Prospect, Yeah, our candidates and professionals, it's absolutely free. We
recommend you sign up, you know, create an account on
the rig Zone, upload your CV, you know, set that.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Up, and then you know sign.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Up register for the event because you know we'll get
you right in whenever you say, because they're busy Houston especially.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yes, and I'd love to hear that, so Chad I'm
up against a break. Thank you for being our guest.
Thank you for doing on a short notice. Chadnoorville, rigzone
dot com
Chad Orfield as our guest. He's the CEO of rigzone
dot com and if you go to the website you'll
see that in addition to be a marketplace from the industry,
not the outside press that tends to hate energy, the
greeny weenies and the left wingers. It is from within
the industry. It is information about the energy industry. And
(00:21):
it's also the largest job placement within the industry for
all sorts of jobs, and they're hiring, and that was
the real reason we reached out to Chadnorville of rigzone
dot com as part of our business Leader Insight series
from NetSuite by Oracle, and you, as a CFO can
get their free guide to machine learning and AI and
(00:43):
how you can use it in your own company at
NetSuite dot com. Forward slash Berry my last name. I mean,
technically you'd not put my last name in there, but
you make me look good if you do, and I
appreciate it. NetSuite dot com Forward slash Berry. So you
were talking about AI and the role of AI, and
you don't see that replacing a lot of jobs in
the short run. You see it more as something that
(01:06):
employees will just have to use as a tool. Is
that what I'm hearing you say?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Absolutely? And I can give you an example.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Last month, I was at the Saudi Aramco Gala for
the fiftieth anniversary of Iranco America's in Houston.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It was a fantastic event.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I met a gentleman there who leads their data services,
brilliant guy double master's double PHC from MIT.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
He leads data sciences there.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
We're just fascinating fellow talking to him talking to some
other folks at a data science event actually last year,
and they're using AI for some really interesting purposes. One
of them I can tell you that I thought was
interesting is they're using it looking at machines to predict
when they were going to break down.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You know, it's cash is king.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You need your you need to be producing, and so
pump's big machinery that they leverage out in the old field.
Being able to tell when those things need you know,
the appropriate time to service them, what when the general
times that they break down under what conditions and what
oil fields and you know what environment.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
These AI models that they're developing can more accurately do
that and it creates more efficiency. So you hear everyone
say you know, we don't have as many rigs, but
they operate more efficiently. This is part of why they're
operating more efficiently.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
You know. You hear that and you don't know what
it means. This is what it means.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
They're bringing AI to bear and that doesn't mean it's
doing it on its own and a robot is bringing it.
Back to leadership, there are engineers and managers out in
the field that they're help using AI modeling to optimize wells,
and they're responsible for a group or a field of wells.
They're able to more efficiently and effectively look at all
of that data, make decisions, look at suggestions, look at
(02:41):
past experience, and those models can look at all of
this data significantly more effectively than a person could and
find patterns, find trends. This is what AI is bringing
to the industry.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Just just one example.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
They're using AI to uh, you know, for safety mech
you know, processors looking to see if people are.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Not wearing hard hats. You know, I mean, it's as
simple as that.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
There's a lot of really interesting things that AI is
actually doing. Everyone sees AI or here's it and thinks terminator, No, no, no,
you know, We're far from there. I'm not saying we're
not going to get there, but you know, right now,
they're really interesting tools that we can use to our advantage.
I use chat GPT to brainstorm, and as you ask
(03:24):
for an assistant, I'll need one because I have these
AI tools now to create frameworks for code whenever I
need it.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Give me a project you were working on where you
did that. Because I'm not I'm not a big tech person,
but I understand how it can be. Give me a
real life example of when you used it recently.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So just writing queries, I can tell it what the
data structures look like and give them, you know, the
information that shows them what data I'm dealing with, tell
them what's there, and you know, the more experience you
have with them, and the more detailed and the better
the question if you will to the AI, the better
sponsor you're going to get. So a very detailed set
(04:03):
of information with guidelines or rules. I gave it that,
and it was able to write a query that might
have taken me forty five minutes of you know, ironing
and ironing out and tweaking.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
It was able to do almost instantaneous.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Now I've not got one piece of code or anything
back from any of the big aips and I use
the Big three eye tools from Google, Tragedy too and profit.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I'm not getting anything that's not wrong on the first go.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You have to look at it, you have to supervise
the work, and I have to change something on every piece.
But it's giving me the head start. It's doing, you know,
forty percent minimum of the foundation of the core code,
the framework, and I ask it for framework more than anything,
and then I'll fill in the you know, the pieces
that that I know it's not going to do because
(04:47):
it doesn't have experience, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Know that data like I do.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But those that's just one example, you know, just brainstorming anything,
any types of ideas out you know, I was talking
about AI on you rigsone. You know, we're looking at
putting ending pages together.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
They're around that to show people, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I said, salary, Well, people can't go and think on
their own. Let's asked, well, we'll prevent will present them
a bunch of salary information. Culture recruiters that are using
our site, are using our recruitment services and for our
candidates just to get an idea of kind of what
are ranges looking like for this type of role?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
What does entry level? What does experience? Mid level or senior?
You know, we'll generate all of that and create it
for them.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So I was looking at categories, you know, I had
my idea of what they could be. Hey, what are
some other ones I may be overlooking?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Right again? As a brainstorming tool, it's it's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well, I don't want to sound like a shameless shield
for the folks who love our business series at Oracle,
but as you know, that's what NetSuite does is a
CFO needs information and making sense of data. And so
I'm not a person who uses that, but I am
a person who has people who use that. When I
ask my CPA at Deroch Partners, hey can you tell
(05:55):
me what I should be paying this employee for this level?
They can pull data in a much faster that is,
actual data from real data sets and make some sense
of it in so many different ways for me to
make better decisions. And so I think that's what people.
You know, I was originally afraid of AI because you know,
there's all the robot movies, but it's gonna happen one
(06:15):
way or another. And it's a question of using it
as a tool. I mean, I don't know how old
you are. I'm fifty four. When I was a kid,
we were so afraid of technology because technology was going
to be awful. But in most cases, technology has made
my life easier.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
We bitch about cell phones, but I can call my
wife while I'm driving home and say, honey, I'll be
home in twenty minutes, and she says, oh great, I
can put the cornbread in, whereas I don't have to
wait to get there. And I mean it's little things,
but it.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Matters, right, Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's what Bill Gates said right when it's talking about
the Internet in his early landmark book. You know, it's
like it's going to wash over the world like a wave,
and it has all technology. Does that like what the
iPhone is, like what social media has done? You know,
not always sometimes it is to the detriment, but in
general it makes data accessible and data is the big
difference you talked about, NetSuite. I can tell you just
(07:03):
talking to the folks that are AKO and others that
are leveraging AI for you know, field operations for optimization
out in the field and wells and drilling and you know,
geophysical where are we going to drill.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
All of these types of things.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
One thing that's really important that data scientists are doing
is they're not spending as much time on the modeling.
They're spending more time on the data that's going into
a terabytes, massive exobites, massive amounts of data that's going
in cleaning that data to where it's actually usable. That's
where they're spending a good portion of their time and
expertise is taking all this data that these tools out
(07:36):
in the field spin out and putting it in a
format to where it's actually usable. You know, in the
in tech they have of saying garbage in garbage out right,
You've got to give it the right things. It's the
same as a question to an AI, you know tool
a large language model. You've got to ask it the
right questions and frame it properly, and then you're going
to get some pretty interesting things out of it, and
it'll really be useful.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Americans a nation that can be defined in a single world.
I was gonna foot him at number.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Not only was it authentic frontier jibbery, an expressed.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Their courage scene of this day and the Michael Berry
show Chat Norville is our guest. He is the CEO
of rigzone dot com, which is a marketplace of information, news,
insight analysis on energy jobs so drilling, refining, downhol downstream, upstream,
midstream investment, and the largest job placement for people in
(08:31):
the energy industry. Which is so your website, rigzone dot
com says seven hundred and twenty thousand industry professionals can't
be wrong. Is that how many people accume your site
or what does that number represent?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, it's actually small when you consider it from that term.
Seven hundred thousand plus is how many just receive our
daily newsletter every day and we have well over one
hundred and twenty thousand that open it every day. It's
not the same that are opening it every day. We
have six to seven hundred thousand different and industry professionals
that get impressions.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
From rig zone every day.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Outside of that, so across emails, the website, all of
our social channels and digital marketing mechanisms.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's broad. It's vast that you know, we have.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We touched a lot of parts of the industry, you know,
across all of our jobs, news events.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Uh, yeah, it's vast, to say the least.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It's uh, it's just incredible how little information bleeds out
that's truthful and useful to the general public. When this is,
you know, energy, people forget energy. People think of it
as just jobs, or just oil or gasoline. Etchy. Energy
is at the core of everything we do, not just
heating and cooling, every product that we use. I mean,
(09:41):
it's just incredible. By the way, I don't know what
the stock market's done today. I haven't checked, but energy
is at the heart of your stock portfolio, which when
you retire, your four oh one K is going The
bedrock of most four oh one K plans today is
those safe blue chip inner g stocks, and you know
the greeny winnies want to attack them. You better hope
(10:04):
those companies that are called evil and their profits continue
to be profitable because that's what's holding up your stock
price for school teachers and plumbers and everybody else. And
that that is easy to forget. Chad, I wanted you
to finish that sentence if you remember what you were
saying before I filibustered you, And then I want to
ask for your advice for people wanting to into the industry.
Do you remember what you were saying or did I
(10:24):
did I throw you off?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, well let me ask you this. You were talking
about who's hiring. Let's start with entry level. Let's say
I get a lot of emails from people who've just
gotten out of the military, and they say, what should
I do? Where should I go? Who's hiring? They want
a career, not just a job, right, So they don't
want to go do fast food. They want to start
in a career. And I tell people find a job
(10:49):
in energy because the upsides are crazy. What do you
say to that guy, he just got out of the Marines.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, So, first and foremost, the very explicit oil and
guys roles and in training and education is going to
be there for a long time as long as someone
at that point would be able to fulfill a career
with it. So, whether that's patrol engineering or mechanical engineering
focus on oil and gas, geology, chemical engineering, and electional
(11:16):
engineering focusing on oil and gas, those things are going
to be there for the foreseeable future. I mean for
the next to twenty fifty I would guess at least,
you know, like I said, emerging markets are coming online
We're not going to see a significant change in at
least the demand side of oil and gas for a
good while.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So I think they could still fulfill a strong career.
And here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Some people might be reticent to go get a patrol
engineer degree, so there's gonna be less competition. There's a
lot of people with a lot of experience.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
They're going to be.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Retiring, right the boomers and all of them have already
started to. But there's going to be openings and opportunities there.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
For those folks.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You know, there's a lot of opportunities still in those fields.
So I would tell them you probably have more opportunity
because this can be more demand for you because it'll.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Be year of you.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Aside from that, if you are concerned and you're wanting
something more transferable.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
We talked earlier about the tech roles. Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
You know, electrical and instrumentation are massive and you don't
have to get a full batch first degree to do that.
You could get an associates or certification. So for electrical, Uh,
there's electrical engineering technology, power distribution technicians are in massive demand.
Huge old services companies I know right now, are you
know jumping at the bits to get power distribution folks,
(12:31):
power plant technology, energy systems, uh, industrial maintenance technology, so
you can be a maintenance tech. They're massive demand and
they're transferable skills.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Uh. Those are associates degree certifications. There's a.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
SEE certify, there's a power systems tech electrical power distributions certifications.
I know those are out there industrial electricians.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You could do any of those things, right.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
That could be as little as three or six months
on those certifications, and you could at a job. There
are those roles out there for those folks, and they'd
love to train you up. And like I said, it's transferable.
You could do a lot of different things. A lot
of industries you know, require those skills. On the instrumentation
and you know you talked earlier about valves automatically changing
and whatnot. That's PLC programming right, it's uh, the programmable
(13:19):
programmable logic controllers.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
These automation and control technologies same thing.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
You can get a socius degree and instrumentation or controls automation. Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
They have robotics technology which is cool that goes into
a ROV. We have huge companies we work with that
just focus on that oceaneering is huge in that space.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Uh, there's a few other companies we work with that
do that as well.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Obviously, electrical engineering you don't have to have a double E.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's a fantastic degree. I would encourage you to get
it if you have the time and the means.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
But you can get an electrical Engineering Technology Associates. Uh,
that's your maintenance placing here too, and instrumentation and automate
automation roles. So uh those as sociates degree, spend two
years user Uh, you know your grant from the military
and go do that. You need to work and you
want to do something shorter term. The certifications and automation
and instrumentation too.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
There's control systems.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Tech certifications, there's automation professionals. You can get a PLC
Programming certification. Those exist for someone coming in. Those are
really highly transferable skills and things that aren't massively time
consuming to go get a certification or associate's.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Degree on the government that you've earned and you know,
we appreciate you and please take advantage of it.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I would say that for that person from the military
looking into it, those are you know, good skills that
are going to be there no matter what happens at
set your mind at ease. If you were concerned about
the industry, which I'm not. You mentioned certifications earlier, if
you have worked in the old patch at all, or
you have some kind of experience.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Around certain things.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
API American Patrol Institute, which is a massive partner of ours.
They have really great certification programs, so they do a
lot of inspection different certifications, so piping, pressure vessels, tank inspectors,
you know, HSC related things and inspections always going to
be really highly needed and sought after.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
So those are really good certifications to get Q one
and Q too.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
This is more of a senior professional type of role,
but those are great certifications at API as well, you know,
designing implementing quality management systems kind of in line with
the ISO.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
And so do you go to API to get that certification?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yes, yeah, you reach out to them and they have
folks on staff and'd be more than happy to talk
to you about what your experience has been and you
know what might fit starting from scratch. I don't know
that those would necessarily be useful, you'd probably be more
Those are folks probably that have been around it or
have a little more experience. But again you could talk
to them. I don't know from the ground up what
you know. They all have available, like I said, the
other associates and certifications or things I know a bit
(15:48):
more about where I think they could get right in
without any experience in any of those technologies.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Chad Norville is the CEO of rigzone dot com and
they have job hostings there in the energy industry. I
get a lot of emails from you folks out there
looking for a job, have just come out of the military,
and this is where I'll send you more with Chadnorville
rig zone dot com coming.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
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Speaker 1 (16:34):
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Especially if you're a CFO looking for more help assessing, understanding,
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(17:20):
ask you an operational question. Do you say Norville or
do you say Norville?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Everyone says Norville. My grandfather told me it was Norville.
I'll respond to either.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Where are you from?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm from Houston.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Where'd you go? Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Deer Park?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Where'd you go to high school?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Park? High School?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Did you know Andy Pettitt?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
No, I've been around him. He was a little before me.
I'm mid forty, so he was a little older. But yeah,
so I'm a church you know, my cousins, my in
law's go to his church, and so you know, I'd
see them all around a lot. But you know, we
weren't friends, friends or anything of that nature.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Did you ever find yourself stopping and marveling at how
high he kicked his right leg when he would throw
those big looping curveballs.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Oh yeah, amazing? Right, So you know who else did
that ramon?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
You might know? Are you a baseball fan, Chad?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Oh of course, huge fan.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So uh, there was a picture for the Oakland A's
named Barry he had he was a lefty. He also
what Zeno Berry Zito he also had that you never
see right handed pitchers do this. They have that pitch
that feels like, I mean, it looks to me when
you see the ball coming in, it looks like the
(18:46):
ball came from behind their head, like in the in
the ball of your neck. And it's just just big, looping,
off speed pitch that gives batters fits. And Pettitt had it,
and Barry Zito had it. And by the way, for
anybody out there listening, I have a number of mutual
(19:07):
friends with Andy Pettitt who have politely explained to him
that I would like to be his best friend. And
it hasn't worked out yet, and so I don't know
how to do that without it being weird. Just hold on, Chad,
this is very important. But since you're from Deer Park,
I need to get somebody out there is going to
be close friends with Andy and he's going to say, oh,
(19:29):
I'll put y'all together and then it's just going to
happen and he can work on my pitching mechanics. Did
you play baseball?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I did?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Did soccer in high school if you went on to
play college.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Well, yeah, of course, but like everyone, you play all
the sports and you kind of end up sticking.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
With what you're best at.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
So I was pretty fast and pretty good at soccer,
so the rest went away.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
You know, what was your in high school? What did
you graduate at?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I was just sort of sick foot and probably won
seventy five.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Ramon says, if you say just under six foot, you
were actually five to ten broll. You don't know him
enough to say.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
That, I'll at least five to eleven. Okay, guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
What was your forty time? Would you guess?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I think at my peak i'd probably touch four or
five in the four fives for six four seven was easy.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Hold on, you think you ran a forty in high
school at four or five?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Well, that probably right after high school when I.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Went to college.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That's human for a white boy. That's fast.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I mean, okay, I think I probably hit a high
four or five at some point. I never did, but
I'm assuming I probably could have at some point at my.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Peak fitness level. I'm projecting. I'll admit, don't have proof
from that. I know.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
If you know, look, if you were fast. You know
you were fast. I mean, I don't think a guy's
going to say there were four or five. If you
know they played O line, you know for Nebraska, that
means you were fast. I'm not doubting it. I'm saying
I'm I'm putting a marker on this moment so that
I think about it later that that I'm putting a
(21:20):
ribbon on it. That's a big deal. Okay. So then
you go off to Iowa to en Sioux City at
the little school you wouldn't hardly give me the name of.
And then where did you go from there?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah? So it had some Japanese affiliation.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
In the nineties they had a great depression basically, so
started pulling out money and had accreditation issues.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You know, I was making pretty good, good grades. I
didn't want to stick around for that, so I.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Transferred by U of H got into programming. Like I said,
I was doing a joint program on chemical plant operations.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
So I fum one credit, shy of having an associate
screen and that I was going to program SCATA and
do that for the plants.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
It was kind of the thinking at the time, But
then I started really liking the computer programming, and uh
so I kind of let that go and ended up
finishing my bachelor science degree and information systems and then
I got an.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
MBA where did you get your.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Hula?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And then were you working at the time?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I was.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I was going to score at night for AT and T,
which was an amazing experience because the space program was
the Shuttle program was still going in full force. So
my mentors were double PhDs, you know, directors of the
International Space Station before it was called Space Station Freedom.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Uh that was one of my mentors. So it was
really interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
I got to do that and talk to those folks,
and then I got to you know, at AT and T.
I developed some code and programs that kind of got
some attention and ended up uh meeting some of the
C suite folks who kind of took me under their wing.
And Karen Jennings, who was time twenty five most influential women,
helped me out a bit. And you know, just to
(22:59):
get manage of different opportunities when there was that's the
whole thing, right, It's about you know, it's about playing
ball whenever.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Of course the time time, of course, what did your
dad do.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Construction?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So your interest in computer programming. And I asked this
because I had no interest in computers or certainly not
making it figuring out how one worked. What do you
think sparked the interesting computer program because I my nephew
does it, and I think it's a great field. By
the way, Oh, by the way, Chad, I don't know
(23:34):
if you're hiring or not, but my nephew needs a job.
He just graduated from Lamar with like a three to eight.
It's my brother, my late brother's son, and he's starting
to work on his NBA. And if you were to
hire him as part of this interview, that'd be great.
When it ramoned, Ramone said that'd be great. I'm just
kidding you, but I am looking for him a job.
No pressure, Yeah, yeah, no pressure at all. You don't
(23:55):
have to make the decision right now. I'll send you
the his resume during the break. But here's what's weird.
And I tell him his name is Braiden. Braiden, what
made you want to be a computer programmer? Our family
is cops and oil fill workers and one guy who
talks on the radio. You literally have nobody in our
family who can do anything more than turn a computer
(24:17):
on and that's a big deal. Like why it's just
so odd to me that people have that interest. I
guess just because it doesn't come naturally to me. Maybe
that's the reason we're talking to Chad Norville or Norville
of rigzone dot com and we will continue our conversation
with him coming up.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Story Kung on Michael Bay Good Shoga on dog Lump.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Rigzone dot com is the site of where the energy
industry goes to find jobs, to post jobs, to get
inside information, to talk about what oil prices are, what
futures are doing, who's buying, who's selling, what the trends are.
Rigzone dot com. They are not a sponsor Ramon an
(25:06):
answer your question, but they one day will be because
it's a perfect partnership. But that's not why he's our guest.
He's our guest because I've been wanting to talk energy
for a while. So for folks that are simply saying, hey,
I don't have any special skills, I go back to
my marine that just got out. Because this comes up
a lot. Is there a company I get I might
get you in trouble if you pick one, But is
there a company that you are a mean? Can they
(25:28):
go to rigzone and put their information on there, and
they're gonna because nobody wants to do monster or any
of that anymore. Somebody wants to get hired right now.
They're willing, willing to work hard, and they're willing to
travel as far as Midland, not further. Well, they'll go
Midland to the west and Homa to the east. Are
they going to Is there a job waiting for them
right now?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah? Potentially, I think.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
You know, Unfortunately, everything is technology based now, so it's
kind of you know, entry paid entry.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Right. You have to have a CV or resume of some.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Sorts and you need to upload it for our website.
You upload it to rig zone, activate your your account,
your CV, do some searching, do some applying.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
We have AI mechanisms in there that will do what
it can to help you. It will look at what
your qualifications are, It will look at what job titles
you've had previously, or what your experiences are. It will
keep an eye out on those. As long as you have,
for instance, emails activated, it will look at those things,
and as jobs become available that you qualify for, it
will send you those and it's tiered, so it's going
to give you the most optimal job for your experiences
(26:23):
and what you're looking for right then, and then it'll
tear down and say, okay, let's step out a little
more broadly and see if there's anything in the space
maybe that you know might work for you. And then
it'll go even more general. So not everything is going
to be on the nose, but it's looking all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So dismiss the ones.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
That aren't that you don't think work. Keep an eye
out because when the ones do. When the market does
start picking up, and like I said earlier, we are
a lot of folks are expecting that to start happening.
As you know, all of these unleashed American energy policies
start really taking hold. In one of those you know,
I talked about some of the policy for the regulations
and the red tape being removed.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He gave them thirty days.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
To do this, so some of us might start happening
pretty quick, and the industry is, you know, anxious for it.
They'll start happening and popping on the website. We start
sending emails to those folks. As I told you, we
send thirty million emails a month.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
That's not spam. Those are people that wanted to be
on our website. If someone's getting emails because they asked
to on our website.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
If someone has a job on our website one of
our recruiters, it's because that does an active job that
they want on our website. We don't discourge them each
stuff there. Like all of these other generalists and other competitors,
those are people we work with. If you see people
on our website, we talk to those companies. Most of
them we talked to you for a long time and
pretty consistently, so you know, we're doing our best for
the candidates to really try to help them find those
(27:39):
roles on the website. We have job fairs. Go to
our events and look at what job fairs are coming
up and you can go and talk to those folks
on site. Almost every event will have someone that they're
looking to train up and give you know, entry level
without experience, and it's broad right. There's a lot of
different types of roles that they'll take in and they'll
train you up. Some of them are a little harder.
(28:02):
You have to have certifications for some kind of training
in order to do it. Like electricity, there's liability issues
I can't just take anywhere. But there are a lot
of other types rules, you know, floral and decands. A
lot of people make a lot of money in this
industry that started kind of at the bottom.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And worked their way up.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
And you can do it quickly, you know, in some instances,
so they're still offshore. There's floating production. There's engineering and
procurement in construction, right, they call them PPC.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Companies, ministry pipelines.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
There's welding, massive you know, mechanics or fruly high demands,
like very high demand, actually engineering and designs. There's just
so many ultra equipment cranes, operators, you know, heavy machinery operators.
Last year, I saw that job at our job fairs
as much as any job probably if you just you know,
(28:51):
operate a hydro machinery, you have experience doing that in
the military.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Imagine are out there, Yeah, and hey those are the
real toys, right. If you can drive a tank and
veer away from IED's under fire air and ground assault,
then yeah, I think you can operate this piece of
equipment for one of the rig Zone dot Com sponsors,
(29:14):
one of the companies out in the offield. I didn't
think about that, but I mean talk about an experience.
But a lot of guys in your industry tell me
that they consciously look for veterans because these are guys
that work on a team, that make sacrifice, that are disciplined,
that are tough, and it's something that is an ideal
set of talents, particularly for that field.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, so look for our industry and every industry says this,
but you know they say communication. It's almost a cliche, right, communications,
and you know, the intangibles, those are off the charts
for these folks, right, They're they're like the best of
the best when it comes to those skills, those off
the paper skills, if you will. So they absolutely, you know,
(29:57):
want those those types of candidates. When we we did
one in San Antonio last year, I believe this last year.
We do them every year, they're pretty much but we
did one out there and they focus on Eagle Forward.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
But we had the there's.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
A lot of military influence at San Antonio, right, they
have bases out there, and the NSA has people out
there that work with the UTSA. My son's actually studying
cybersecurity at UTSA. It's about to be a senior So
that's why because they're one of the few institutions in
the United States that has a relationship with the NESSA. Uh,
but they have a lot of military personnel there. So
(30:32):
for the job fair, we reached out to all those
organizations and said, look, these companies.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Would love to talk to you. Please come out and
have a conversation with them and see if there's something
there for you. Uh.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
You know, I would encourage our military and ex military
to always come to our job fair as I talk
to those folks because they are wanted, they're highly regarded,
and they're you know, strong employees that I think most
of our companies would absolutely, you know, love to have.
And like I said, there are there's a lot of
things that you can do in the military. It's not
just like infantry in the front.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
There's you know, people do communications, that do technology, they
do heavy.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Machinery, and those were all heavily required skills and roles
in our industry. You know, like I said, I I
can say without a doubt, I in tech and heavy machinery,
operator and operators and other types of machinery. Those are
For the last twelve months, I've seen those out the
job fairs, probably more than any of the other roles.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
That's interesting, and you foresee that continuing for some time.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, would it would even more so, right the quantity
of them.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
You would have other roles that would be equally needed.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
As things start kicking off again, whenever Trump's policies really
start taking hold, I would see more of the other
types of roles in addition to those. But those wouldn't
be falling back, right, the others would just be gaining
in quantity. So yeah, that's not going to change. It's
still those needs are going to be there out in
the wherever. Maybe maybe on our old field or maybe
(31:56):
on a it could be. There's a lot of different variants,
like I said, prayings and you know, all kinds of
different machinery.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It is. It's so interesting because the energy industry being
such a critical part of our economy. You know, you
think of healthcare, you think of energy, think of agriculture.
I mean, these are the big ones, and it affects
every aspect of our lives, from the gas we put
in our car to every product on your desk, every plastic,
(32:24):
every implant, every you know, fluid. It all comes from
the energy industry, and then it underpins your four oh
one K, your retirement, your investments. But it's also of
critical importance, and particularly to me, because if you don't
have a job, then politics matters a lot less to
you than putting food on the table. And that's why
(32:45):
I wanted to talk to rigzone dot com. Chad Noorville,
you are a great guest. I appreciate you devoting so
much time to us. Let's talk again, and next time
you're having a job fair here in Houston, if you'll
shoot me an email, I will gladly promote it on
the air because that helps our people.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So we do Houston at least at least three times
a year, sometimes four.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So we have one there March fifth.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
All right, as we get closer, I will Is it
free to somebody to the to the interviewee, to the.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Prospect, Yeah, our candidates and professionals, it's absolutely free. We
recommend you sign up, you know, create an account on
the rig Zone, upload your CV, you know, set that.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Up, and then you know sign.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Up register for the event because you know we'll get
you right in whenever you say, because they're busy Houston especially.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yes, and I'd love to hear that, so Chad I'm
up against a break. Thank you for being our guest.
Thank you for doing on a short notice. Chadnoorville, rigzone
dot com
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