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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Luck and load.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
So Michael Arry Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Well.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
We have just completed our every two years biennial legislative
session of one hundred and fifty days every two years.
We're not a full time state legislature. And you know
what happened out of that. The governor has called special
sessions to deal with several bills that will begin in
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about three weeks. One of the leaders in the House
who shot to prominence pretty early is a lawyer by
the name of Mitch Little who came to statewide fame
as one of the lawyers defending Ken Paxton in the
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impeachment hearing the impeachment case that was brought before the Senate.
After that he ran for state rep. He won against
all odds. Very sharp guy, very sharp mind, obviously, and
was welcomed by the grassroots in Austin as this is
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the kind of people we want to be attracting to
the state legislature. So we're going to talk to him
about what just happened. We're going to talk to him
about whether this being the first day after the end
of the finance filing date, when we're seeing candidates jumping
into these races with the Ken Paxton exit from the
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AG's race, whether he will be a candidate in that.
And third, he is the lawyer, which is what he
does in his day job, representing Kim Obad in a
case that has been brought against her. Really, when you
get down to it, by Rodney Ellis through Seawan Tier
the district attorney over the Jocelyn Nungerai case. But let's
start with the State Rep side of his life and
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the legislative session that just finished. Mitch having been a
freshman legislator being considered by pretty much every group that
measured who the stars of the especially the newcomers, as
being the star of this class, how was the legislative
session different than you expected from the outside.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Or Good morning, Michael Berry.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
I know it probably hurts you to say the nice
things about me I've done, but the legislation was I'm sorry,
the session was way more intense and chaotic than I
had imagined it to be. You know, we're only deciding
the future of things like PHC and Texas, and I
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mean it's happening in literally minutes, very very little debate.
It flies through committee, and you're making decisions that are
important for the state of Texas at one to two
in the morning. It's more chaotic, I think than even
it needs to be.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That was surprising to me.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And why do you think that is. Do you think
it's chaotic by design?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Absolutely, it's chaotic by design. I mean, how you know,
when you move four thousand bills through a legislature, it
is literally impossible for human beings who are you know,
going until two in the morning and then up again
the next morning on committee at eight am to process
all of that information. I mean, we have staff, but
even they can't do it. So there are things that
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move through the process that really shouldn't things like Biden
esque loan forgiveness for mental health professionals in Texas, bills
that come to the floor that are really democrat led
initiatives that really shouldn't have been heard and shouldn't have
been voted on.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's it is it's almost like.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Trying to find a needle in a stack of needles
when you're processing information that quickly, And it's I don't
think it's the best way to make decisions.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
What do you think, Well, I tell you what I
think happened, and I watched it more closely this session
than usual, but I have watched it in the past.
They take a lot of vacation at the beginning of
the session, and a lot of three day work weeks
and long weekends, and the goal is to flood the
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zone at the end because if you're doing something that's
not going to be popular with the base, because frankly,
Dustin Burroughs is there by virtue of the Democrats lockstep
and then a few Republicans and then once they have
their majority, then the other Republicans come aboard. But when
you're doing things that are not popular back home, you
have to rush those at the end so you don't
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give them a full fair hearing. In fact, that's what
we're seeing going on in Washington, DC right now with
the one big beautiful bill. And so it looked to me,
you tell me, like a lot of vacation. On the
front end. There was nothing being discussed, and maybe a
Beyonce bill ever so often. But Steve Toath was talking
a lot about it, Brian Harrison was talking a lot
about it, and I know you had to be frustrated
by it. And then at the very end you have
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this crush of bills that get pushed through, and initiatives
that people wanted that don't get passed, and it's, oh,
we ran out of time, just send us back again.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
There are absurd parallels between what goes on in Austin
what goes on in Washington. If you take what's going
on with the quote unquote big beautiful Bill, you've got
the Senate parliamentarian who's killing the Safe Act and basically
gutting the NFA so that we can get short berreld
rifle short barreled shotgun suppressors without an NFA tax. And
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the parliamentary practice is more of a distraction than it
probably needs to be. At the beginning of the legislative
session of the first sixty days, I was there, Michael,
I was telling my wife like, I I do not
belong here. This is ridiculous, Like I'm not doing anything
meaningful and we're not having committee hearings. It wasn't until
we started having committee hearings that I was like, oh,
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wait a second, I can use my tools to move
the needle here. And the problem is it's so late
that you end up stacking up good policy in certain bills.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
That we need to get passing on on the floor.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
So we have to come back July twenty first to
pass the things that really we should have passed the
first time.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
How much of the I don't belong here, and how.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Much of the it's a seniority game that takes forever
has informed and I don't know what the final decision is.
I've heard flirtation with it, your desire to run for
attorney general.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Yeah, So what I'm trying to figure out is what's
most compatible with my family life and my life at home.
So obviously it would be a great honor to serve
the state of Texas as it's attorney general. I think
Texas is going to need a lawyer who's confident, who's experienced,
who has practiced law meaningfully. I think we're woefully short
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on people in the race who have done that. And
if you look back historically before or when Kim Paxson
was running, Kim Paxton's not a trial lawyer, and he
was an excellent kind of guide of policy through the
AG's office, helped to slight.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
The Biden administration and all that.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
I think what we have coming here, Michael is is
going to be trying to find out who the ideological
leader of the party in Texas is and because truly
from a grassroots standpoint, that has been Ken Paxton. And
so if he goes off the Senate, it's going to
be a lot harder for him to lead that ideologically
going forward. And how do you how do you embrace
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his aggressiveness in the Attorney General's office and and still
find someone who is it is really the lawyer you
want to represent the state of Texas?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Is good?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
All I tea you what, I'll let you decide if
you're going to make an announcement coming up, Mitch littlest.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
May show Michael Lay.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Mitch Little represented Ken Paxton in the successful defense against impeachment.
That impeachment was led by the John Cornyan supporters, the
same folks who supported Nicki Haley and had an event
for her in Texas against Trump last year in the primary.
Never forget it's the same folks.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Read the list.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Those people wanted to knock Paxton out, not from being
attorney general. They had no problem with him as attorney general.
They didn't want him to run against Cornan because they
were sitting on polls that we now all have access
to that have Paxton beating Cornyn six sixty forty and worse,
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Cornyn can't win this race. He knows that, so they're
looking at recruiting another candidate.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Well.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
In the meantime, Ken Paxton leaving the Attorney General's Office
Occasions and opening, and there are three candidates who are
announced for that. Aaron Wrights, who's with the Department of
Justice now and previously worked for Paxton. I think it
was a US assistant US Attorney Joan Huffman, who is
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a state senator. And May's Middleton, who is a state senator.
Mitch Little, will you be joining that race?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I'm not in that race yet. There's a lot to
consider back home. I got a law firm and we
got one hundred people at our office to take care
of sixty of them lawyers. I'm sure they'd be upset
about that. And you know, I got three young kids
to fourteen, fourteen in eleven and they need their daddy.
So if I decide to get in that race, all
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of those things will miraculously have been resolved.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
How far do you live from Austin, good ways, It's
gonna take me probably three and a half to four
hours driving on a good day.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
What is the community where you live.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
I live in Lewisville, the southern part of Denton County.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
But aren't you from Houston originally?
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Yeah, I am, and i'm You know you mentioned me
representing kim aug and Michael I know. I mean most
of a lot of your listeners are in Houston. You
obviously live in Houston. You understand the hellscate that the
left has created in Houston, and people who do not
live there are not from there, don't They don't fully
grasp it. It's different from what's going on in Austin,
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it's different from what's going on in Dallas, and it's
an ideological turnover of order society.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
What did you just do?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
You just like took my question and then you flipped
it to what you wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
What just happened, Mitch Little? What did you just do?
What were you trying to get at?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Are you wanting to talk about the kim ok because
that's that's point number three.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
We're in right now.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
We can talk about whatever you want it. Just this
really bothers me. You know, you were talking about the
age race, and it's interesting that two of the candidates
are from the Houston area. What have those candidates have.
What have the Republicans representing Houston and all the billionaires
that are flooding money into Republican politics, what have they
done to stop the destruction of Houston from the inside out.
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It's very difficult for me to discern that, and I
think that's something that votes.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
That was the point voter trying to ask you needed
to make that point, because I didn't get that from
the first point.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But now I see what you were saying.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Well, let me handicap the race where I think it
is today on July first, twenty twenty five for a
primary next spring. I see a very very spirited race.
You've got Aaron Wright's who who has I think is
probably the most likely to get Trump's endorsement. I'm hearing
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he's going to get Paxton's endorsement. Those two would be
very strong in that primary. Not necessarily enough to win
even in Texas, but that would go a long way.
And and yeah, so that would be that he's never
been a candidate before, he's never run a campaign, but
those two things behind him would would make a big difference.
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Then you've got Joan Huffman. She's gonna have TLR. They're
gonna pour a lot of money into this race. But
we saw TLR support uh George P. Bush against Ken Paxton,
and the money wasn't enough. Of course, whoever ran, however
much they paid for the ad to have George p
on the four wheeler out on the canyon. Woo woo,
I'll be your attorney general. I woo boom on this
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four wheeler.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
That was dumb.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
The new Wrangler jeans dollan.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, they put money behind you it so so they're
not invincible. They do have deep pockets. I think they
really don't understand the base. I really really do, and
I will tell you I hate that we've lost them
from the base because I think those guys, especially Dick Weekly,
were a big part of turning Texas red in the
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nineties through tort reform, and somewhere along the way they
just decided they didn't want any part of the grassroots
because our people, uh, you.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Know, don't drive nice enough. I don't know what happened.
So okay, So you've got Aaron Rights.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
He's he's likely, although not certain, to have Paxton and
Trump's endorsement.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You've got Joan Huffman, She's gonna have.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Tlr's money and strategy, which is a mixed blessing in
the state of Texas, but you probably.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Rather have it than not.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
And and then you've got May's Middleton, who I believe
can probably self fund. I don't know how big that
family's fortune is, but I'm told it's big enough that
he can fully fund a primary. I think that him
supporting Louis Gohmert was to try to throw Paxton off
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is something he's going to pay for dearly. I think
that was a massive mustake and no amount of money
can get you out of that. If people know that.
My issue, my question would be, I like you. I
think you'd make a fantastic attorney general. I'd love for
you to be the attorney general, and I think if
you had the job, you'd be very good at it.
The challenge is, and I had this same challenge running
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for mayor. Everybody said you'd be a great mayor, but
can you win because Bill White had all the money.
So I guess that's what you have to You said
you've got to deal with whether you want to live
in Austin. I think that's probably less of a challenge
because your family would support you and need to be
a great experience and you're a public servant and they
get that, and it's a pay cut and all those
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things that go with that. Think is winning and it's
a big state that requires a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
You've got big.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Media markets, you've got a vast span, and you've got
some well funded, tough candidates.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
There's no way around that. What did I miss?
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Man?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I just don't. I just don't worry about things like that, Michael.
If the Lord tells me.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
To go and run, I'll go and run. What I
did for my current office.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yeah, and I was out of Yeah, and I was
like I was out funded two to one and knocked
out an incumbent. This is and it's easy to see
what God's plan was for my life now that I've
you know, lived it for.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
A couple of years.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
But if I mean, if I feel like it's the
right thing to do, run, I'm not going to worry
about all those play over it.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
And and I get it. I've been there.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
If if a guy is not if a public servant
is not fearless, and he's calculating, this is my problem
with Greg Abbott.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
That's not leadership.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It has to be a righteous sense that this is
the right thing to do, and God is directing me.
And if I lose, there was a purpose in me losing.
And that's how I've always felt. And when you get
to that point, But let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
If you choose not to.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Run, can you assure me that you will go back
to the legislature because you are an important part of
grassroots leadership, you can answer that.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Hold tight right there.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Hey, this is Tracy Bird, and I tip my hand
to the keeper the.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Star and disl.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Mitch Little is our guest. He is currently a state representative.
He was held by most as a.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Star on the rise.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
He was honored by multiple folks for his contribution as
an incoming freshman, not your typical incoming freshman. He had
been one of the lawyers along with Dan Cogdell and
Tony Busby, who represented Ken Paxton in the Senate impeachment hearing,
and he's practiced law for some number of years. It
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was an upset for him to win the state rep
seat in the first place. There is now an opening
in the Attorney General's office and he is considering a
run for that. I thought he might announce it today
there are three strong candidates in that race, Aaron Wright's,
May's Middleton and John Huffman strong for different reasons, funding, experience,
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endorsements and those sorts of things. But Mitch, I want
to be very clear in saying I wasn't suggesting that
you not run or trying to talk you out of it,
because a lot of people did that with me and
it pissed me off, and some of them I never
forgave for it, and people who've never put themselves in
the arena, as the old Teddy Roosevelt quote goes, don't
understand you don't always put your finger to the wind
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like Greg Abbott and see if you're going to be victorious,
if you're called, you do it. So I want to
make that clear. Let's talk about me, thank you. Let's
talk about the case against kim Ogg as brought by
Rodney Ellis through Sean Tier. You are representing her, Can
you first catch folks up on what they are alleging
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and then your defense.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
So there's a for those of you who aren't staying
up with the Jocelyn nunger Ay case, there's a gag
order that the court put in place September eleventh of
twenty twenty four, basically preventing the victims, their counsel the
DA's office from really speaking publicly in specifics other than
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generalities about the case. Ken is alleged to have been
in contempt of that order by talking to the media
about a few different things. It's apparently now pretty well
known that the two men who are charged with the crime,
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one of them may or may not have sexually assaulted
another woman in Costa Rica, and Mazague gave an interview
online or gave an interview about that, And Shawn Tier's
office is also complaining, and the Defense Council are also
complaining that it is now public knowledge that the two
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defendants are in the country illegally, and that there are
details about Jocelyn's murder that are publicly known, like where
she was found, the state in which she was found,
you know, the state of undress, et cetera. And everybody
just seems to be missing the part where the President
of the United States got up in front of thirty
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six million people in the state of the Union and
referred to the two defendants as you know, monster illegal
alien monsters from Venezuela. I mean, this is now extremely
publicly well known. So both the Defense Council and the
District Attorney's office are extremely worried that the general public
is going to be somewhow aware of the truth of
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the Jocelyn nungery case. And the question you should be
asking is why are they afraid of that?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Right? Yeah, why are they afraid of that?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That's not the basis of a mistrial that should have
been entered into evidence during the course of the trial anyway,
shouldn't it.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
The point of this, in my view, the point of
this is it is all part of the greater social
reimagining of Harris County in Houston, and this crime is
still extremely shocking, and you have generally an anti death
penalty party in control of politics in the city of
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Houston and the County of Harris, and I think that
the overarching goal is to ensure that these are not
death cases. That they're not they're not tried as capital
murder cases. And the more that the public knows about it,
the more outraged the public is about what happened to
this little girl, the more likely or the more pressure
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the District Attorney's office is going to be under to
make it to try it as a capital case.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
They don't want to.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I think you also cannot underestimate that Rodney Ellis has
a hatred of Kim Ogg for exposing the alleged crimes
he has committed as district attorney after he supported her
the African Art Museum, the Elevate Strategies case with Lena Hidalgo,
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some other things that she exposed. You know, she convened
a grand jury to hear his African Art museum or
his African Art case. And and he has said some
really that he does not like to be challenged. He
is boss hog of this community and he wants nobody
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to stand in his way. And that's why he replaced
her in that race.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
As you know, I will shout it from the mountaintops.
Houston is a fetid pool of corruption. And over the
last four to six years, while you know, statewide Republicans
were shouting about the Biden administration and Joe Biden, they
were ignoring what was going on right in front of
their faith in Houston. And it's not just the Art deal.
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The universal basic income program that that they've been pushing
in Houston is not about giving poor people money. It
is about turning out low propensity Democrat voters in Houston.
It is a data play because once they're in that system,
they have the ability to target them and go after
them to vote. It's about transforming the electorate in the county.
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It's not about giving poor people money.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I watched this happen in the first state where I
had an affiliate in Oregon, where there was enough vote
in Moltnomah County in Portland alone to swing a statewide election.
We've seen this in Louisiana, where you turn out the
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New Orleans vote. We've seen this in states. We're in Detroit,
where you get enough Philadelphia, you get enough fraud, and
you run up a big enough victory that you can
afford to lose the rural counties across the state. The
moment where statewide and national Republicans are going to start
giving a damn is when they can't win the state
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of Texas because you can't overcome the cheat in Houston.
And that's going to be the moment that they're now
all of a sudden going to wake up and say,
maybe we have to go in there and do something
about it, because they're abandoning the people of Houston, Harris County,
and that's the great frustration. I wish you the best
of your best of luck in this case against kim Ogg.
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I truly believe this is an axe that Rodney Ellis
has to grind against kim Ogg and defeating her in
the primary the way he did is not enough. He
wants to finish her offer if nothing else, calls her
a lot of hassle, and since he controls the district
attorney and he controls the courts, this was his last
opportunity to try.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
To stick it to her. I truly believe that's what's happened.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
There are still good lawyers out there that will fight
for truth and justice and it has nothing to do
with what party Kim is or isn't. A part of
this has to do with standing up for what's right.
And we all need to stop and think about the
fact that there was a little girl at the center
of this case and there's been this tug of war,
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a political tug of war over her, over the crime
that was committed against her. Democrats want to sweep it
under the rug. We just can't let that happen, Michael.
Not in an ordered society. We can't let that happen. No,
we cannot, Mitch Little. We look forward to hearing more
from you.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Thank you, sir. I'm getting repect us.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I'm getting reports that Jimmy Swaggert has died at ninety
The Michael Berry Show, Please clap, Please, lease clap was
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Jimmy Lee Swaggers past in ninety years old, Pentecostal televangelists,
gospel music artists.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Grammy nominee.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
He wrote over fifty Christian books, sold over fifteen million
records worldwide, preached revivals in over ten countries.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
The son of a sharecropper, fiddle player and Pentecostal preacher
named Leon, who was known as son so N.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
His mother's name was Minnie Minnie Bale.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
She was the housewife mother and also herself a daughter
of sharecropper. His extended family had so many cousins marrying
in it in this small town that it was described
by one biographer as cousins and in laws and other
relatives married each other until the klan was entwined like
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a big type ball of rubber bands. He had two
cousins that made the triumvirent, one being Jerry Lee Lewis.
Who passed two years ago, and the other being Mickey Gilly.
Mickey Gilly told us on the show at one point
that the best pianist of the and the one they
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thought as a kid would go on to greatness in music,
was Jimmy Swaggert, and he instead chose to.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Be a boxer.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
He was apparently quite the brawler when they were younger,
big and strong and tough. He went on to establish
a major, major televangelist presence in the eighties before a
lot of the modern folks. Everybody knows he had his problems,
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and those were played out very publicly, but I think
he had quite a ministry. Several times when I would
go home in the middle of the day between the
two shows and I'd flip on the channels just to
clear my mind for thirty minutes or so, there he
would be.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Waltzing through the aisle, Bible in hand, singing.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
He would go over to the piano and start to play,
and he would play and sing and pre and it
was powerful. I mean it was, It was truly, truly
very powerful. But I think on this day, as we
think of Jimmy Lee Swaggert and Jerry Lee Lewis and
our own beloved Mickey Gilly, the three cousins who grew
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up together in Faraday or Faraday as they say, Louisiana.
We are all reminded at this moment when Shirley cue
Lickor was on her way to visit her own relatives
in Fariday, Louisiana.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Thank you for Graham, India. If you are what's an essay?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Will you be leaving.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
From Orange, Texas?
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Orange?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And I need to go over at Ferdie, Louisama verdon
fra id a wire and it's me and my nineteen
children's and we need to leave Monday morning.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
You were leaving from Odessa, No Orange.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
You are a eight oh ra Ge Texas and my
sister and her husband staying thirday and uh, she wanted
us to come over there.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
She been wanting us to come over. We just hadn't
went cause of her auntitood's Frankly, that's the problem is
she just she won't ask wrong. I don't know why
she just get like that. But now she wanna make up,
so she'll say, well, y'all come on and with all
these children, I wanna make sure of the price before
I book it.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Okay, you don't book tickets. You go to the terminal
at least one hour prior to buy your tickets.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
How old are the children?
Speaker 8 (29:35):
Oh lord, listie?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The youngest sweat is fie. Oldest one about seventeen.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Okay, rising as an adult?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
The seventeen dude?
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Uh huh?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
And how about sixteen?
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Okay, ages two to eleven? Ride as children?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I think they're all under eleven?
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Okay, ages two to eleven?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Give me the pints on that, okay, and I might
bring my good friend while Tuster drinkings from Oh i's apart.
So check for two adult. Well, if you have a calculator,
what would the total be for nineteen children?
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Me?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And what Tista from urge to ferry to lose that
at bank?
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Okay? Well, I don't have a calculator with me.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Just approximated for me.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
Okay, y'all going round trip?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Uh huh? Yeah, I guess I unless something I'm wanna
stay with her. I don't care if they want to
stay in her house, that's fine, But I'm only buying
for round trip.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Okay, for two of those, round trip will be two
hundred and four dollars.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh lord, Okay, that's with the adult two adults.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
Uh huh okay with nineteen children round trip fifty one
dollars time nineteen.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Here's what and that's how much it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
How much is that? I don't know. I'm not being
to do it with math I don't have my glasses on.
How much would that be? For approximately nine.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Hundred and sixty?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Jee hell where.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I'm gonna have to call her and ask me what
she spit it with me again? Okay, And I don't need.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
To make it.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
That's first class of coach.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
It's no first class a coach in grayhound, it's first
conference or.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Oh okay, okay, thank you dog and have a good
week year. Tell you mommy in my Exsha dork Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
A Houston man arrested for impersonating a US Marshall immigration
officer during an attempted robbery of a liquor store owner
in southwest Houston. The liquor store owner's wife came out
and put some bullets in him. ABC thirteen with the
story Surveillance.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Video from the store shows exactly what happened. In mid June,
HBD says a man pretending to be an immigration officer
US Marshall approached the business off South Guster in southwest Houston.
The employee realized it wasn't an officer when the man
was attacked. The employee's wife was in the store and
saw what took place. She ran out with a gun
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and started to shoot the suspect took off. That's when
the employee who was being attacked opened fire as well.
The suspect was shot but got away. Officers later found
the injured suspect. The victim told us what happened after,
he says the man claimed he was an officer.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
They told me, I'm on copper, I'm the police.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
Get out on the floor and I say, I don't
do anything.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
As for the suspect, he was injured, but he managed
to crawl away to a getaway vehicle. We have ass
officers that if someone else would be charged, and so
far it is unclear this morning if there is anyone
else at facing charges connected to this case now. As
for Jonathan Prince, he is in the Harris County jail
scheduled to go before a judge in just about two
and a half hours. He's charged with agrib
It's that time, time, time, time.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Luck and load.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
So Michael Arry Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Well.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
We have just completed our every two years biennial legislative
session of one hundred and fifty days every two years.
We're not a full time state legislature. And you know
what happened out of that. The governor has called special
sessions to deal with several bills that will begin in
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about three weeks. One of the leaders in the House
who shot to prominence pretty early is a lawyer by
the name of Mitch Little who came to statewide fame
as one of the lawyers defending Ken Paxton in the
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impeachment hearing the impeachment case that was brought before the Senate.
After that he ran for state rep. He won against
all odds. Very sharp guy, very sharp mind, obviously, and
was welcomed by the grassroots in Austin as this is
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the kind of people we want to be attracting to
the state legislature. So we're going to talk to him
about what just happened. We're going to talk to him
about whether this being the first day after the end
of the finance filing date, when we're seeing candidates jumping
into these races with the Ken Paxton exit from the
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AG's race, whether he will be a candidate in that.
And third, he is the lawyer, which is what he
does in his day job, representing Kim Obad in a
case that has been brought against her. Really, when you
get down to it, by Rodney Ellis through Seawan Tier
the district attorney over the Jocelyn Nungerai case. But let's
start with the State Rep side of his life and
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the legislative session that just finished. Mitch having been a
freshman legislator being considered by pretty much every group that
measured who the stars of the especially the newcomers, as
being the star of this class, how was the legislative
session different than you expected from the outside.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Or Good morning, Michael Berry.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
I know it probably hurts you to say the nice
things about me I've done, but the legislation was I'm sorry,
the session was way more intense and chaotic than I
had imagined it to be. You know, we're only deciding
the future of things like PHC and Texas, and I
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mean it's happening in literally minutes, very very little debate.
It flies through committee, and you're making decisions that are
important for the state of Texas at one to two
in the morning. It's more chaotic, I think than even
it needs to be.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That was surprising to me.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And why do you think that is. Do you think
it's chaotic by design?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Absolutely, it's chaotic by design. I mean, how you know,
when you move four thousand bills through a legislature, it
is literally impossible for human beings who are you know,
going until two in the morning and then up again
the next morning on committee at eight am to process
all of that information. I mean, we have staff, but
even they can't do it. So there are things that
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move through the process that really shouldn't things like Biden
esque loan forgiveness for mental health professionals in Texas, bills
that come to the floor that are really democrat led
initiatives that really shouldn't have been heard and shouldn't have
been voted on.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's it is it's almost like.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Trying to find a needle in a stack of needles
when you're processing information that quickly, And it's I don't
think it's the best way to make decisions.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
What do you think, Well, I tell you what I
think happened, and I watched it more closely this session
than usual, but I have watched it in the past.
They take a lot of vacation at the beginning of
the session, and a lot of three day work weeks
and long weekends, and the goal is to flood the
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zone at the end because if you're doing something that's
not going to be popular with the base, because frankly,
Dustin Burroughs is there by virtue of the Democrats lockstep
and then a few Republicans and then once they have
their majority, then the other Republicans come aboard. But when
you're doing things that are not popular back home, you
have to rush those at the end so you don't
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give them a full fair hearing. In fact, that's what
we're seeing going on in Washington, DC right now with
the one big beautiful bill. And so it looked to me,
you tell me, like a lot of vacation. On the
front end. There was nothing being discussed, and maybe a
Beyonce bill ever so often. But Steve Toath was talking
a lot about it, Brian Harrison was talking a lot
about it, and I know you had to be frustrated
by it. And then at the very end you have
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this crush of bills that get pushed through, and initiatives
that people wanted that don't get passed, and it's, oh,
we ran out of time, just send us back again.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
There are absurd parallels between what goes on in Austin
what goes on in Washington. If you take what's going
on with the quote unquote big beautiful Bill, you've got
the Senate parliamentarian who's killing the Safe Act and basically
gutting the NFA so that we can get short berreld
rifle short barreled shotgun suppressors without an NFA tax. And
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the parliamentary practice is more of a distraction than it
probably needs to be. At the beginning of the legislative
session of the first sixty days, I was there, Michael,
I was telling my wife like, I I do not
belong here. This is ridiculous, Like I'm not doing anything
meaningful and we're not having committee hearings. It wasn't until
we started having committee hearings that I was like, oh,
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wait a second, I can use my tools to move
the needle here. And the problem is it's so late
that you end up stacking up good policy in certain bills.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
That we need to get passing on on the floor.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
So we have to come back July twenty first to
pass the things that really we should have passed the
first time.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
How much of the I don't belong here, and how.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Much of the it's a seniority game that takes forever
has informed and I don't know what the final decision is.
I've heard flirtation with it, your desire to run for
attorney general.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Yeah, So what I'm trying to figure out is what's
most compatible with my family life and my life at home.
So obviously it would be a great honor to serve
the state of Texas as it's attorney general. I think
Texas is going to need a lawyer who's confident, who's experienced,
who has practiced law meaningfully. I think we're woefully short
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on people in the race who have done that. And
if you look back historically before or when Kim Paxson
was running, Kim Paxton's not a trial lawyer, and he
was an excellent kind of guide of policy through the
AG's office, helped to slight.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
The Biden administration and all that.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
I think what we have coming here, Michael is is
going to be trying to find out who the ideological
leader of the party in Texas is and because truly
from a grassroots standpoint, that has been Ken Paxton. And
so if he goes off the Senate, it's going to
be a lot harder for him to lead that ideologically
going forward. And how do you how do you embrace
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his aggressiveness in the Attorney General's office and and still
find someone who is it is really the lawyer you
want to represent the state of Texas?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Is good?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
All I tea you what, I'll let you decide if
you're going to make an announcement coming up, Mitch littlest.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
May show Michael Lay.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Mitch Little represented Ken Paxton in the successful defense against impeachment.
That impeachment was led by the John Cornyan supporters, the
same folks who supported Nicki Haley and had an event
for her in Texas against Trump last year in the primary.
Never forget it's the same folks.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Read the list.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Those people wanted to knock Paxton out, not from being
attorney general. They had no problem with him as attorney general.
They didn't want him to run against Cornan because they
were sitting on polls that we now all have access
to that have Paxton beating Cornyn six sixty forty and worse,
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Cornyn can't win this race. He knows that, so they're
looking at recruiting another candidate.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Well.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
In the meantime, Ken Paxton leaving the Attorney General's Office
Occasions and opening, and there are three candidates who are
announced for that. Aaron Wrights, who's with the Department of
Justice now and previously worked for Paxton. I think it
was a US assistant US Attorney Joan Huffman, who is
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a state senator. And May's Middleton, who is a state senator.
Mitch Little, will you be joining that race?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I'm not in that race yet. There's a lot to
consider back home. I got a law firm and we
got one hundred people at our office to take care
of sixty of them lawyers. I'm sure they'd be upset
about that. And you know, I got three young kids
to fourteen, fourteen in eleven and they need their daddy.
So if I decide to get in that race, all
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of those things will miraculously have been resolved.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
How far do you live from Austin, good ways, It's
gonna take me probably three and a half to four
hours driving on a good day.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
What is the community where you live.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
I live in Lewisville, the southern part of Denton County.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
But aren't you from Houston originally?
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Yeah, I am, and i'm You know you mentioned me
representing kim aug and Michael I know. I mean most
of a lot of your listeners are in Houston. You
obviously live in Houston. You understand the hellscate that the
left has created in Houston, and people who do not
live there are not from there, don't They don't fully
grasp it. It's different from what's going on in Austin,
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it's different from what's going on in Dallas, and it's
an ideological turnover of order society.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
What did you just do?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
You just like took my question and then you flipped
it to what you wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
What just happened, Mitch Little? What did you just do?
What were you trying to get at?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Are you wanting to talk about the kim ok because
that's that's point number three.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
We're in right now.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
We can talk about whatever you want it. Just this
really bothers me. You know, you were talking about the
age race, and it's interesting that two of the candidates
are from the Houston area. What have those candidates have.
What have the Republicans representing Houston and all the billionaires
that are flooding money into Republican politics, what have they
done to stop the destruction of Houston from the inside out.
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It's very difficult for me to discern that, and I
think that's something that votes.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
That was the point voter trying to ask you needed
to make that point, because I didn't get that from
the first point.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But now I see what you were saying.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Well, let me handicap the race where I think it
is today on July first, twenty twenty five for a
primary next spring. I see a very very spirited race.
You've got Aaron Wright's who who has I think is
probably the most likely to get Trump's endorsement. I'm hearing
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he's going to get Paxton's endorsement. Those two would be
very strong in that primary. Not necessarily enough to win
even in Texas, but that would go a long way.
And and yeah, so that would be that he's never
been a candidate before, he's never run a campaign, but
those two things behind him would would make a big difference.
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Then you've got Joan Huffman. She's gonna have TLR. They're
gonna pour a lot of money into this race. But
we saw TLR support uh George P. Bush against Ken Paxton,
and the money wasn't enough. Of course, whoever ran, however
much they paid for the ad to have George p
on the four wheeler out on the canyon. Woo woo,
I'll be your attorney general. I woo boom on this
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four wheeler.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
That was dumb.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
The new Wrangler jeans dollan.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, they put money behind you it so so they're
not invincible. They do have deep pockets. I think they
really don't understand the base. I really really do, and
I will tell you I hate that we've lost them
from the base because I think those guys, especially Dick Weekly,
were a big part of turning Texas red in the
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nineties through tort reform, and somewhere along the way they
just decided they didn't want any part of the grassroots
because our people, uh, you.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Know, don't drive nice enough. I don't know what happened.
So okay, So you've got Aaron Rights.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
He's he's likely, although not certain, to have Paxton and
Trump's endorsement.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You've got Joan Huffman, She's gonna have.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Tlr's money and strategy, which is a mixed blessing in
the state of Texas, but you probably.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Rather have it than not.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
And and then you've got May's Middleton, who I believe
can probably self fund. I don't know how big that
family's fortune is, but I'm told it's big enough that
he can fully fund a primary. I think that him
supporting Louis Gohmert was to try to throw Paxton off
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is something he's going to pay for dearly. I think
that was a massive mustake and no amount of money
can get you out of that. If people know that.
My issue, my question would be, I like you. I
think you'd make a fantastic attorney general. I'd love for
you to be the attorney general, and I think if
you had the job, you'd be very good at it.
The challenge is, and I had this same challenge running
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for mayor. Everybody said you'd be a great mayor, but
can you win because Bill White had all the money.
So I guess that's what you have to You said
you've got to deal with whether you want to live
in Austin. I think that's probably less of a challenge
because your family would support you and need to be
a great experience and you're a public servant and they
get that, and it's a pay cut and all those
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things that go with that. Think is winning and it's
a big state that requires a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
You've got big.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Media markets, you've got a vast span, and you've got
some well funded, tough candidates.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
There's no way around that. What did I miss?
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Man?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
I just don't. I just don't worry about things like that, Michael.
If the Lord tells me.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
To go and run, I'll go and run. What I
did for my current office.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yeah, and I was out of Yeah, and I was
like I was out funded two to one and knocked
out an incumbent. This is and it's easy to see
what God's plan was for my life now that I've
you know, lived it for.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
A couple of years.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
But if I mean, if I feel like it's the
right thing to do, run, I'm not going to worry
about all those play over it.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
And and I get it. I've been there.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
If if a guy is not if a public servant
is not fearless, and he's calculating, this is my problem
with Greg Abbott.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
That's not leadership.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It has to be a righteous sense that this is
the right thing to do, and God is directing me.
And if I lose, there was a purpose in me losing.
And that's how I've always felt. And when you get
to that point, But let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
If you choose not to.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Run, can you assure me that you will go back
to the legislature because you are an important part of
grassroots leadership, you can answer that.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Hold tight right there.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Hey, this is Tracy Bird, and I tip my hand
to the keeper the.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Star and disl.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Mitch Little is our guest. He is currently a state representative.
He was held by most as a.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Star on the rise.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
He was honored by multiple folks for his contribution as
an incoming freshman, not your typical incoming freshman. He had
been one of the lawyers along with Dan Cogdell and
Tony Busby, who represented Ken Paxton in the Senate impeachment hearing,
and he's practiced law for some number of years. It
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was an upset for him to win the state rep
seat in the first place. There is now an opening
in the Attorney General's office and he is considering a
run for that. I thought he might announce it today
there are three strong candidates in that race, Aaron Wright's,
May's Middleton and John Huffman strong for different reasons, funding, experience,
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endorsements and those sorts of things. But Mitch, I want
to be very clear in saying I wasn't suggesting that
you not run or trying to talk you out of it,
because a lot of people did that with me and
it pissed me off, and some of them I never
forgave for it, and people who've never put themselves in
the arena, as the old Teddy Roosevelt quote goes, don't
understand you don't always put your finger to the wind
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like Greg Abbott and see if you're going to be victorious,
if you're called, you do it. So I want to
make that clear. Let's talk about me, thank you. Let's
talk about the case against kim Ogg as brought by
Rodney Ellis through Sean Tier. You are representing her, Can
you first catch folks up on what they are alleging
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and then your defense.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
So there's a for those of you who aren't staying
up with the Jocelyn nunger Ay case, there's a gag
order that the court put in place September eleventh of
twenty twenty four, basically preventing the victims, their counsel the
DA's office from really speaking publicly in specifics other than
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generalities about the case. Ken is alleged to have been
in contempt of that order by talking to the media
about a few different things. It's apparently now pretty well
known that the two men who are charged with the crime,
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one of them may or may not have sexually assaulted
another woman in Costa Rica, and Mazague gave an interview
online or gave an interview about that, And Shawn Tier's
office is also complaining, and the Defense Council are also
complaining that it is now public knowledge that the two
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defendants are in the country illegally, and that there are
details about Jocelyn's murder that are publicly known, like where
she was found, the state in which she was found,
you know, the state of undress, et cetera. And everybody
just seems to be missing the part where the President
of the United States got up in front of thirty
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six million people in the state of the Union and
referred to the two defendants as you know, monster illegal
alien monsters from Venezuela. I mean, this is now extremely
publicly well known. So both the Defense Council and the
District Attorney's office are extremely worried that the general public
is going to be somewhow aware of the truth of
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the Jocelyn nungery case. And the question you should be
asking is why are they afraid of that?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Right? Yeah, why are they afraid of that?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That's not the basis of a mistrial that should have
been entered into evidence during the course of the trial anyway,
shouldn't it.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
The point of this, in my view, the point of
this is it is all part of the greater social
reimagining of Harris County in Houston, and this crime is
still extremely shocking, and you have generally an anti death
penalty party in control of politics in the city of
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Houston and the County of Harris, and I think that
the overarching goal is to ensure that these are not
death cases. That they're not they're not tried as capital
murder cases. And the more that the public knows about it,
the more outraged the public is about what happened to
this little girl, the more likely or the more pressure
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the District Attorney's office is going to be under to
make it to try it as a capital case.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
They don't want to.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I think you also cannot underestimate that Rodney Ellis has
a hatred of Kim Ogg for exposing the alleged crimes
he has committed as district attorney after he supported her
the African Art Museum, the Elevate Strategies case with Lena Hidalgo,
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some other things that she exposed. You know, she convened
a grand jury to hear his African Art museum or
his African Art case. And and he has said some
really that he does not like to be challenged. He
is boss hog of this community and he wants nobody
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to stand in his way. And that's why he replaced
her in that race.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
As you know, I will shout it from the mountaintops.
Houston is a fetid pool of corruption. And over the
last four to six years, while you know, statewide Republicans
were shouting about the Biden administration and Joe Biden, they
were ignoring what was going on right in front of
their faith in Houston. And it's not just the Art deal.
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The universal basic income program that that they've been pushing
in Houston is not about giving poor people money. It
is about turning out low propensity Democrat voters in Houston.
It is a data play because once they're in that system,
they have the ability to target them and go after
them to vote. It's about transforming the electorate in the county.
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It's not about giving poor people money.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I watched this happen in the first state where I
had an affiliate in Oregon, where there was enough vote
in Moltnomah County in Portland alone to swing a statewide election.
We've seen this in Louisiana, where you turn out the
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New Orleans vote. We've seen this in states. We're in Detroit,
where you get enough Philadelphia, you get enough fraud, and
you run up a big enough victory that you can
afford to lose the rural counties across the state. The
moment where statewide and national Republicans are going to start
giving a damn is when they can't win the state
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of Texas because you can't overcome the cheat in Houston.
And that's going to be the moment that they're now
all of a sudden going to wake up and say,
maybe we have to go in there and do something
about it, because they're abandoning the people of Houston, Harris County,
and that's the great frustration. I wish you the best
of your best of luck in this case against kim Ogg.
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I truly believe this is an axe that Rodney Ellis
has to grind against kim Ogg and defeating her in
the primary the way he did is not enough. He
wants to finish her offer if nothing else, calls her
a lot of hassle, and since he controls the district
attorney and he controls the courts, this was his last
opportunity to try.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
To stick it to her. I truly believe that's what's happened.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
There are still good lawyers out there that will fight
for truth and justice and it has nothing to do
with what party Kim is or isn't. A part of
this has to do with standing up for what's right.
And we all need to stop and think about the
fact that there was a little girl at the center
of this case and there's been this tug of war,
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a political tug of war over her, over the crime
that was committed against her. Democrats want to sweep it
under the rug. We just can't let that happen, Michael.
Not in an ordered society. We can't let that happen. No,
we cannot, Mitch Little. We look forward to hearing more
from you.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Thank you, sir. I'm getting repect us.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I'm getting reports that Jimmy Swaggert has died at ninety
The Michael Berry Show, Please clap, Please, lease clap was
(25:36):
Jimmy Lee Swaggers past in ninety years old, Pentecostal televangelists,
gospel music artists.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Grammy nominee.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
He wrote over fifty Christian books, sold over fifteen million
records worldwide, preached revivals in over ten countries.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
The son of a sharecropper, fiddle player and Pentecostal preacher
named Leon, who was known as son so N.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
His mother's name was Minnie Minnie Bale.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
She was the housewife mother and also herself a daughter
of sharecropper. His extended family had so many cousins marrying
in it in this small town that it was described
by one biographer as cousins and in laws and other
relatives married each other until the klan was entwined like
(26:40):
a big type ball of rubber bands. He had two
cousins that made the triumvirent, one being Jerry Lee Lewis.
Who passed two years ago, and the other being Mickey Gilly.
Mickey Gilly told us on the show at one point
that the best pianist of the and the one they
(27:02):
thought as a kid would go on to greatness in music,
was Jimmy Swaggert, and he instead chose to.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Be a boxer.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
He was apparently quite the brawler when they were younger,
big and strong and tough. He went on to establish
a major, major televangelist presence in the eighties before a
lot of the modern folks. Everybody knows he had his problems,
(27:31):
and those were played out very publicly, but I think
he had quite a ministry. Several times when I would
go home in the middle of the day between the
two shows and I'd flip on the channels just to
clear my mind for thirty minutes or so, there he
would be.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Waltzing through the aisle, Bible in hand, singing.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
He would go over to the piano and start to play,
and he would play and sing and pre and it
was powerful. I mean it was, It was truly, truly
very powerful. But I think on this day, as we
think of Jimmy Lee Swaggert and Jerry Lee Lewis and
our own beloved Mickey Gilly, the three cousins who grew
(28:16):
up together in Faraday or Faraday as they say, Louisiana.
We are all reminded at this moment when Shirley cue
Lickor was on her way to visit her own relatives
in Fariday, Louisiana.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Thank you for Graham, India. If you are what's an essay?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Will you be leaving.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
From Orange, Texas?
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Orange?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And I need to go over at Ferdie, Louisama verdon
fra id a wire and it's me and my nineteen
children's and we need to leave Monday morning.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
You were leaving from Odessa, No Orange.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
You are a eight oh ra Ge Texas and my
sister and her husband staying thirday and uh, she wanted
us to come over there.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
She been wanting us to come over. We just hadn't
went cause of her auntitood's Frankly, that's the problem is
she just she won't ask wrong. I don't know why
she just get like that. But now she wanna make up,
so she'll say, well, y'all come on and with all
these children, I wanna make sure of the price before
I book it.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Okay, you don't book tickets. You go to the terminal
at least one hour prior to buy your tickets.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
How old are the children?
Speaker 8 (29:35):
Oh lord, listie?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The youngest sweat is fie. Oldest one about seventeen.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Okay, rising as an adult?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
The seventeen dude?
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Uh huh?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
And how about sixteen?
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Okay, ages two to eleven? Ride as children?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I think they're all under eleven?
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Okay, ages two to eleven?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Give me the pints on that, okay, and I might
bring my good friend while Tuster drinkings from Oh i's apart.
So check for two adult. Well, if you have a calculator,
what would the total be for nineteen children?
Speaker 6 (30:08):
Me?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And what Tista from urge to ferry to lose that
at bank?
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Okay? Well, I don't have a calculator with me.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Just approximated for me.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
Okay, y'all going round trip?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Uh huh? Yeah, I guess I unless something I'm wanna
stay with her. I don't care if they want to
stay in her house, that's fine, But I'm only buying
for round trip.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Okay, for two of those, round trip will be two
hundred and four dollars.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Oh lord, Okay, that's with the adult two adults.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
Uh huh okay with nineteen children round trip fifty one
dollars time nineteen.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Here's what and that's how much it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
How much is that? I don't know. I'm not being
to do it with math I don't have my glasses on.
How much would that be? For approximately nine.
Speaker 7 (30:59):
Hundred and sixty?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Jee hell where.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I'm gonna have to call her and ask me what
she spit it with me again? Okay, And I don't need.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
To make it.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
That's first class of coach.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
It's no first class a coach in grayhound, it's first
conference or.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Oh okay, okay, thank you dog and have a good
week year. Tell you mommy in my Exsha dork Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
A Houston man arrested for impersonating a US Marshall immigration
officer during an attempted robbery of a liquor store owner
in southwest Houston. The liquor store owner's wife came out
and put some bullets in him. ABC thirteen with the
story Surveillance.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Video from the store shows exactly what happened. In mid June,
HBD says a man pretending to be an immigration officer
US Marshall approached the business off South Guster in southwest Houston.
The employee realized it wasn't an officer when the man
was attacked. The employee's wife was in the store and
saw what took place. She ran out with a gun
(32:05):
and started to shoot the suspect took off. That's when
the employee who was being attacked opened fire as well.
The suspect was shot but got away. Officers later found
the injured suspect. The victim told us what happened after,
he says the man claimed he was an officer.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
They told me, I'm on copper, I'm the police.
Speaker 8 (32:25):
Get out on the floor and I say, I don't
do anything.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
As for the suspect, he was injured, but he managed
to crawl away to a getaway vehicle. We have ass
officers that if someone else would be charged, and so
far it is unclear this morning if there is anyone
else at facing charges connected to this case now. As
for Jonathan Prince, he is in the Harris County jail
scheduled to go before a judge in just about two
and a half hours. He's charged with agrib
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