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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Michael Barry Show. Welcome to our Saturday podcast. Whether
you're listening on Saturday or whenever it is you're getting
around to it, always a pleasure to get to talk
to you. This week is a fun one. Years ago,
we were doing a story about John McCain's stranglehold on
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Arizona politics, and it was about how they were controlling
the state House, the state Senate, the governor's mansion, who
would get into Congress in this kind of shadowy group
that was like the Republican establishment in DC. And I
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had a listener who we tracked down named Jesse Kelly,
and he had run for Congress against Gabby Gifford twice
and came within a whisker of beating her. And it
was about how the Republicans there didn't help him and
they worked with the Democrats to help her stay in office.
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And this happens, right, you've seen this. Look at how
many Republicans actually helped Kamala Harris against Donald Trump. You know,
the chenese Ken singer. Look at all these folks. So anyway,
I had Jesse Kelly on the air and it was
a wonderful interview and I told him he was very
entertaining and very smart. He was selling r vs. There's
nothing wrong with selling r v's, but this was a
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guy whose talents were not necessarily selling RV's. His talents
were processing and analyzing and commenting on cultural and political commentary.
So I began. I called him that night, and we
began a friendship, and I began kind of advising him.
And I advise a lot of people, and most people, frankly,
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don't take my advice. They asked for advice, but they
don't listen. They have their own headstrong ideas.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And he did.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And the more he listened, the more I wanted to help.
And he grew and grew and grew, and I'm so proud.
He does a TV show now, he has a nationally
syndicated video show, and he's just smart and a dear friend.
And it was the one year anniversary recently of his
book coming out, and they were launching the paperback and
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his producer said, hey, you know, Jesse does interviews all day.
We'd like to interview you. I mean, we'd like you
to interview him on his show.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Glad to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So I did, and here is that interview. I'll warn
you in advance. My mom passed away a few days
before his dad passed away, and so we were both
kind of going through that on our own.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
But we're both dudes.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Dudes, we don't talk about it, and this was really
the first chance that we've had to actually talk about it.
So there is a very very rare moment where Jesse
is Verklempt in the conversation, and you'll see it. He's
a marine, he's not an emotor and you will notice
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that as it's happening.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Hopefully, what you'll.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Also hear is two good friends having a good time.
So anyway, thanks for sharing our podcast with your friends
and family, and in this case, maybe your fellow Marines.
Drop Jesse an email on his website and tell him
you heard us talking about it, and now you're going
to give his show a listen. Although in some places
his show and our show airs at the same time,
so you can't be listening to him while we're on that.
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That would not be cool. You know, that's like stealing
your best friend's girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
But he is a dear friend, he's a great guy,
and you know what, there's enough to go around.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Enjoy.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
A long time ago, actually about six and a half
years ago, I was not doing this for a living.
I was selling RVs. This is back when I had
hair and a lot less gray and my beard. And
I got to know somebody, big shot, nationally syndicated radio host,
Michael Barry. Basically for me, he was someone I listened
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to on the radio. And he sends me a message
one day and says, hey, come on my show.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I need to go on the Michael Berry Show. And
I'm selling RV's.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I'm in the RV dealership and I go again, I'm
on Michael Berry Show. It was cool, but it was
twenty minutes and then I hung up and didn't think
about it again. And that night I'm in the Taco
Bell drive through and I get a phone call from
Michael Berry calling my cellphone, just a BS, just to
talk about things. And then we started hanging out. And
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guess why you get to watch yours truly here on
the first every single day because Michael Barry told me
you need to give it a shot, give a media
career a shot, and.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So here I am. Now you're stuck with me joining me.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Now, somebody who has not only pushed me into this,
has mentored me every step of the way. My good
friend Michael Barry. Michael, you have such an incredible eye
for talent.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I recognized the talent that was Jesse Kelly in our
first radio interview, and the rest.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
As they say, is.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
History.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
People call me by different names. Had a shirt, I
mean I had a cap made about this. Yes, and
today is a special day because, as I hope you've
told your viewers, this is the day that the Anti
Communist Manifesto hits the shelves in paperback form. So the
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production team and I thought would be a good idea
off instead of you talking to everybody, I interview.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
First of all, I write this book.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Why what?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Why write this book? Well?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I don't like to write, you know, I told you
that all the time, because you were always nagging to me,
I gotta write more, I gotta Why are you not
writing more?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Because you were.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Always on me about that you need to write an
article about this, you need to get your name out there.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
And those were good and and so you clearly have
a knack for writing.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah, it was for the it was for the Federalist
and I did do some things for town Hall, and
there's a couple other places I forgot. But I hate
to write. I've tried to explain this to people.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I tried to.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Whine to you about it all the time, and you
were nagging at me about it. I don't like to write.
Ab My wife did the same thing. She's like, you
need to write, you need to write. I hate writing.
I realize people enjoy the things that I write for
some reason, probably because I'm stupid and it's easy for
everyone to understand.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
But I don't like to write. I hate to write,
and I.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Never wanted to write a book and I don't ever
want to write another one.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
The idea of writing an.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Anti communist manifesto because of my hatred for communists was
appealing to me.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It was It's the only thing that was appealing to me.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Because Chris Balf, my good friend, business partner, Chris Balf,
begged me forever to write a book too, and I
just wouldn't. And finally he's the one who pitched me
on that idea, and I thought, you know, it was
like a light bulb came on a see said it.
I thought to myself, wow, that that's probably something I
could dig into But even that for me was insurmountable.
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As I told him in the open, Michael, that the
feeling most people get they when that have to speak
in front of people, and they get that feeling in
the pit of their stomach where you have a moment
where you think I'd rather die then get up in
front of people and speak.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
It's a very human thing. You know.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
You don't have that anymore, and I don't have that anymore,
but it's a very natural thing. That's what I feel
like if I have to write even a thousand words,
If you if we hung up here and you called
me and said you'd have to write something on the
border and get it turned into the Federalist, and you're
all over me about it, like I would feel borderline
physically sick.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
That's how much I hate writing.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
But this book meant the concept of this meant enough
to me, and I thought I could maybe do it well.
And I thought, well, screw it, you might as well
give it a shot. And so now I'm a world
famous author, Michael, world famous.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Indeed.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Question I thought that the reason for the book was
as a delivery mechanism for your burger recipe. I thought
it was really just a trojan horse, get the burger
recipe into as many hands as you possibly could. But
you know, on that subject, Rush Limbaugh used to say,
after he wrote his second book, he said there will
be no more books. He would ask for more books,
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and he said, I don't have an iron butt. And
I've always liked that line, because we sit, you know,
you sit and do television, you sit and do radio.
When we're done with that, we don't want to sit
and write more.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And it's hard.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
It's hard to imagine, you know, the brain power that
that requires, the tedium that that requires. Like Kerrol Markowitz,
our mutual friend, Kerrol mark Witz, I think she could
write in her sleep. It comes very naturally to her.
But I think for us we are communicators by voice
and expressive in this way verbally.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And not in the written form.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
So I look, although all came aside, hats off to
you for finishing.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
The damn thing, you know, isn't that Don't you find
what you just said kind of weird?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Or I find it kind of.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Weird people like Carol who can just sit down and
just hammer out subject and in fact they love it,
like they enjoy it. I don't get that at all.
But Carol Dave Marcus.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Is this way.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
These types just natural writers can sit down and it
just flows from them, like anyone who listens to your
radio show can hear, it just flows out of you.
It's effortless, right. I can't write like that. You know,
you asked me to sit in time for three hours.
I run my mouth for three hours. I'll talk about
cheeseburgers for three hours, but if you ask me to
write it down, I don't express myself in that way.
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And people who have that talent, I'm envious of it.
You know, people watch us through radio and TV and
think it's all fancy or whatnot. But I'm jealous of
the people who can write. If you can sit and write,
I wish I could do that, because that's in my opinion,
yes exactly. I was about to say, it's it's longer lasting.
You know, someone's long after I'm dead and gone, someone's
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gonna pick up the Anti Communist Manifesto. I'm not going
to download the Jesse Kelly Show podcast, j.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
L Roar book, and PJ is not around anymore, but
I can still laugh at his jokes. You know, songwriters
and great artists will say, I've seen them interviewed and
they will say that the greatest compliment they can give
to another song is that they hate the person who
wrote it because they wished they had written it. I
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have to tell you, doing what I do, and having
done it since long before you were doing it, when
you created the language around communism for what the left
is and started shoehorning it into that and giving kind
of a structure to you need to understand these people
aren't just out there in the ether operating. This is
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a redux of what we've seen before. They are communists.
That I hated you for that because why couldn't I
have thought of that, because it made it. It made
it much more under standable and accessible. And I hats
off to you for that.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Well, I study my enemy, right, I mean we always
we all know this, especially dudes know this, that you
study your enemy, what works and what doesn't work. We
have we had the Marines working with the chikoms in
before World War two to learn about jungle warfare. Right,
you study your enemy, how does he operate? And one
thing that really really hit me as I watched you know,
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you watch enough of the news and read enough crap,
and you're watching videos on social media, it really hits
you how purposeful the communist is with his language, so
incredibly purposeful discipline he demands the discipline of his fellow communists.
Go ahead and watch a CNN panel where you have
a bunch of Democrats on there, and watch even one
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of them call.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
An illegal and illegal. Well, in illegal, he.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Will be We've all seen it a million times, he
or she will be scolded by his fellow communists. Well,
but we don't say that word here. We'd like to
use the word undocumented. Why are they so purposeful about it?
Because language leads to mindset, you know, leads to mindset.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And mindset leads to performance.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So if you want the American people to be more
accepting of importing millions of foreign barbarians, you don't call
them illegals.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You call them undocumented.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And then it sounds like Lupe tripped over the border
to have eighteen kids here instead of impurposely invading the country,
which is what she did, to have all of her
kids become American citizens. So they are purposeful with how
they speak, And I didn't like how unpurposeful.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I'm sure that's not a word. You know, Michael, I
didn't go to college. I didn't like how.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Unpurposeful the right was because most of us, obviously it's
not universal, come from a place of honesty, right, You
want to be honest. We care about the truth and
facts and things like that. So we just speak, you know,
we just talk. But the communist is framing everything. He's
framing it, he's labeling it. He's branding everything, which is
something you're always riding me about his brain.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
He's branding we're being branded.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
As Nazis, as white supremacist, as this and that, because
he's focused with his language.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And I did not like our lack of focus and decided.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
To attempt, in my own small way to try to
focus things.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
That's why the Anti Communist Manifesto is out today in paperback,
the more affordable version with Jesse's famous burger recipe. At
the end, tell me what reaction you received from readers,
because you read your emails. We talked about this for
a long time, from your TV viewers, You read your
emails from your listeners. What was a reaction to the
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book that you received that surprised you or you at
least didn't expect.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Well, you know how we just talked about how I
don't like writing every single thing I ever wrote, you know,
a little article for the Federalists, every single thing I
ever wrote. When I was done writing it, I hated it.
I would read it several times and I would think,
this is slop. It's not intelligent, it's not entertaining. And
you know, what do you do. You send it to family,
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you know, you send it to your mom. I would,
I would send it to my mom. But what's your
mom gonna say, That's the greatest thing I've ever read
in my life? But even still, nothing, nothing cured the
fact that I hated it. When Nick Rizzuto and I
wrote this book, when it was finally done, we did
this long weekend meetup where we kind of ripped up
and rewrote this and I didn't like the wording here.
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So we're rewriting all this stuff, and we finally we
have the finishing touches on it, and I read through
the entire thing again when.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
It was done. I thought it sucked.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I really genuinely thought it sucked. I thought the stuff
that he did, you know, the research the facts was
so fascinating because I nerd out on that but I thought,
I really genuinely thought it sucked. And everyone knows I'm
not being fake humble. I'm the least humble person in
the world. I just don't think I write well. And
so I read the book and I thought, this is garbage.
It's garbage. It's going to be another one of those
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books that somebody something servative rights and it's published, but
then it disappears into the ether after a few days
because it really kind of freaking sucked. That really was
one hundred percent what I thought was going to happen.
And then boom, it just takes off and it's national
bestseller and it's.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
This people are email on the show. It's one of
the best books I've ever read. I bought five copies.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I'm handing it to friends and family, and I to
this day it's the most surprised I've ever been in
my six and a half years of doing media. The
most surprised by a mile I've ever been has been
the listener and viewer reaction to the book, how much
it was.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It was universal. I don't think I got one from
a listener that said that wasn't very good. They just
did backflips over the whole thing. I still don't get it.
I still think it sucks.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
They're talking about the perpetuity in which a book can
be kept, right. That was Ray Bradbury's fornhe Fahrenheit four
or five to one. He's burnt all the books, and
you burn all the knowledge because that's how we pass
from generation to generation. We can go back and read
him Away, we can go back and read Shakespeare, we
can go back into history and read the words of
people that we don't mean. But what's fascinating about a book?
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And I think that's why it was important you did this.
I think what makes it so amazing is you and
I and everybody watching you is part of a movement
to take back our country, to improve the lives of
our children and grandchildren, to make America great again. I
mean that really means something, right, That's why Reagan first
came up with it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But the idea of our.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Movement and how we communicate and educate and share.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
We have radio.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
You and I do radio every evening, and so that's
people while they're driving mostly or you know, they're.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
In their podcast ears.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Then we have television, and that's mostly when you're at
home and you can watch it on your TV. But
there is in a book, there is an opportunity to
reduce to writing a thought, a concept, the tenets of
the movement in this case, which is what you set out,
and to be able to share that with people, and
to be able to do that in a way that
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you can say, Jesse, it's your birthday. I bought this
book from this guy. Or Billy, it's your birthday. I
bought this book from this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Read it.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
It's great, and they may not be able to get
them to listen to your radio show or watch your
television show, but they will share that there's something kind
of cool about that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It's another part of the movement.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, it's like another tool in your tool belt. I
totally agree. And I've always loved quotes, you know, I've
just everyone does, right, Who doesn't love a great quote?
But I have, as uneducated and dam as I am.
I have all these endless quotes from various authors and
historical figures burned into my head because they were written down.
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I mean, who doesn't Who doesn't know the John Adams quote?
I study war and politics so my sons can study
mathematics and philosophy, like how profound and freaking awesome is
that it's a quote that's just like yeah, and when
it's written, it's more meaningful. And just talking about this,
think about this a lot. People will talk about Rush
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Limbaugh to this day the goat the greatest of all time.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I miss Rush, I miss Rush. Rush is the best,
and of course he was.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
And one of the wild things about it is you
could listen to Rush Limba for three hours a day
and you were entertained, and you were informed, and you
were all those things. All that stuff is true. But
when I see Rush Limbaugh quotes, people will still put
them up on Twitter or Facebook or something like that.
You'll you'll read a Rush Limbaugh quote and you'll think, man,
that is profound. That is as profound as any conservative
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writing I've ever read in my life.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I just didn't.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I guess it didn't make the same impact on me
because I was listening to it at the time, or
maybe I was half listening. You know how it is
with a radio audience, they're mostly half listening, and so
it didn't make an impact on me when I heard it.
But when I read it, I thought, man, that is
as deep and wonderful as anything that you can run
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writing it down, Yes, yes, ranging it.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
What do you.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Say, because it's been reduced to writing. When you reduce
something to writing, it gives it. It gives it a
gravi toss that having been spoken alone. So you mentioned
your mom, and you know that's what moms are for,
are they cheer for us? So a few months ago
I lost my mom and a matter of days later
you lost your dad. But your dad did get to
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see the hardback edition obviously that the paperback is out today.
What was your dad's reaction, because you and your dad
have a very interesting relationship.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
You know, first he texted the group family text the
day the book was published, so you know, as Simon
and Schuster, a big shot book publisher, they published the
book and I'm grateful they did it, and it becomes
this national bestseller.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
And he's not a big Texter, as you can imagine.
My old man was rough around.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
The edges and he texted the group chat and he said,
I can't believe he actually wrote a book after ailing
algebra three times in college.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
So he but that was his love.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Language, right, and other than that, he would he would
tell me he was proud of me. Occasionally, but most
of my stories from him I would get secondhand because
my dad was not it wasn't it wasn't the lovey
dovey type with me, so I wouldn't get as much
from him, but I would get all the time from
my mom and sister that he would brag the strangers,
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total strangers who didn't give a crap about me or
the book. He's telling them, Well, my son, yeah, he
wrote a book. It's big, it's national bestseller. You should
go buy it.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
He bullied perfect strangers into buying the book, completely.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Proud of the whole thing. Just didn't tell me that
much about it. And that was that was the way
he was.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
He was. He was something.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
You're a marine. You're a tough guy. Not as tough
as your dad, but tough like your dad. And he's
what made you tough, very very tough.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Man an into forest. We struggle as men to cope
with grief, right, and we're not as expressive as women.
It's a difficult it's a difficult thing. Let's talk about that.
So you get the news that your dad passed. If
we've had this conversation, you may be harder than you
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would have ever imagined.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
How did that change it? What advice do.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
You have for people who go through these because we're guys,
we don't grieve easily.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Or well, well, I'll tell you it's a process. It's
a process I'm still going through, so I certainly don't
want to pretend like I'm an expert on it. I
can only tell people what I've gone through. I'll have
For me, it comes in waves, you know, it comes
and it goes.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You know, I'll have I'll wake up one morning it
was this morning, and I feel great.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I feel great, you know, still miss him, but feel
great going through the workday, even talking about him right now, fine,
totally fine. So it's not like that fingers it or
something like that talking you're fine, everything's fine. But it
could be tomorrow morning. I may wake up and I
don't feel like it out of bed, and the grief
will come and it will go, and it will come
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and it will go. But the difference between, you know,
I'm sure this is a big men and women thing,
as you just alluded to, is the.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Talking about it. I have no problem you know, telling all.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I'm telling my wife when when I'm grieving, But oftentimes
I don't tell her. She could just tell She'll see
it right on my face when I walk home or whatever,
or walk home, when I walk in the door, or
when I wake up in the morning. She can see
it if I'm making breakfast, and then she'll always ask me,
because this is her way, do you want to talk
about it? And occasionally I have one or two, but
for the most part, no, The answer is no. I
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don't want to talk about it. And it's not that
I'm trying to bottle everything up. Sometimes men have to
grieve alone. You know, there's nothing I can say. There's
nothing I can say, There's no way I can convey
what I'm thinking or feeling, and frankly, I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Feel like it.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
And the best advice I could give to people if
they're going through any grief is that's okay. If you
want to talk about it, that's okay. You want to
guither with friends, that's okay. You want to go be
in a cabin by yourself in the woods for a
couple weeks by your grief, that's okay. Everyone grieves differently
in their own way, and it's totally fine. I don't
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pass judgment on how my friends and family are grieving,
they don't pass it on me. And that's the best
advice I can give. If I want to be alone,
I'll be alone. If I want to take the day
off of work, I will. If I want to go
home and have an extra whiskey, I might.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But grieve in your own way.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
So I preach, and I literally preach this almost daily,
that because I have known of people who lose a
loved one. My brother died three years ago, was fifty
four years old. It was an active duty police officer,
and I get the call and he's passed, and so
we didn't get that last conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
We literally talk every day, and I.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Tell people, you don't know when you walk out the
door and that door slams behind you and you you
throw that last zinger, hurt them as much as you can.
That may be the last thing you ever say to
that person. And I've known people for whom that was
the case. And I say, no matter what happens to
my wife and I have a rule, we do not
separate without I love you in a meaningful way, because
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if that's the last thing I ever say to her,
I don't want there to be any doubt that I
worry that she doubted you and your dad had a
special moment there the last time you talked, which is
almost I mean you talk about God's God's hand on us.
That was sort of a very unique moment. See if
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you're if you're good with it, I think people should
hear that story. I think they should see that side
of you.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
All Right, let's see if I can get through this.
So my dad, uh, it's it's just a Kelly's thing.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
I'm the exact same way. My dad did not stay
in other people's homes when he would visit out of town.
The Kellys don't do that. You don't stay in other
people's homes. Look, I'm not defending it. It was just
our way. You don't stay in other people's homes. You
go visit, you have your dinner, you go then if
you're out of town, you go to a hotel or
you go back home. You don't stay with other people.
And this included me is his son. You know, I
(25:22):
have a we have the two boys. He was the
best grandpa, just loved those boys. But he would come
down then you know, we'd have dinner and we dive
in there and then he'd go to a hotel with
my mom.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
They'd go, he wouldn't stay. So I have a theory.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I don't know this, but I have a theory that
my father knew he was dying.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I think I think a doctor told him. He's not
the type he would pass.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
That along, because the last time I saw him, he
came down to visit us in Texas for a week,
and he stayed.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
With us a week. My dad won't stay with you
for a night.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
There were instances where he would come in, fly in,
and they were gonna have to come stay at the
house to stay with the boys, and he would still
go to a hotel for one night and then get
up and come back with us. But for this week,
he said, I'm staying with you. Never happened. He brought
down a couple hunting knives for the boys. Never happens.
My dad doesn't do that sentimental stuff really, And we
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went out fishing. We went fishing, went fishing for red fish.
One morning, Saturday. It was Saturday morning. We went fishing
for red fish, got up me him, the boys, went
out fishing. Didn't catch much, but had a blast listening
to him yell at the boys, and everything was great.
We finished with that, we go eat a big cage
and meal found this cage in place. We love to eat.
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My Dad's just like me. We just love to eat.
Of course I got that from him. We made pigs
of ourselves. And that night it was playoff baseball. Dodgers
were playing somebody, forget who, maybe the padre is somebody.
Dodgers were playing somebody, and sitting there on the couch,
my dad had, of course taken over my recliner. He
comes in and takes over my recliner son sitting on
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the couch and we're watching the baseball games, me and him,
and I just turned to him and I told him
I loved him.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Right, That was I mean, it was something we.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Said but not often, not often, just out of the blue,
told him I loved him, turns to me, tells me
he loves me too. That was Saturday night. I hug him,
kiss him good night, say goodbye. I did not get
up in time to see him. The next morning, they
were leaving super early. He got up him, my mom
took off. He went home that night on Sunday night,
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told my mom that I had told him I loved him,
and how much that meant to him. And then went
to bed and died in his sleep that night.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
God is good.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
There is your reminder to each and every person that
we just don't know when that last moment is going.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
To occur, and live your life accordingly.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Yeah, I mean that's as beautiful as it gifts. How
much of the person you are politically? I know you're
a miniature version of him in the way you're grumpy
and you're not expressive, but you're tough and you're dutiful
and all that. How much of your politics looking back now,
because he's very much a self made man as you are,
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how much of your politics do you attribute to things
you heard him say or how you watched him live?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:29):
A lot of it. And what's funny is he wasn't political.
We were not a political family. I didn't grow up political.
The only political conversation I ever remember having with my parents,
and I'm not kidding, it is the only one I think.
I was in kindergarten, maybe the first grade.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
George H. W.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Bush was running for president, and in our class we
had a mock election, right, and there were Democrats and Republicans,
and you could you know, there was just grade school,
stupid grade school stuff, and.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I didn't even know what I was or what we were.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
So I went home that night and I asked my parents,
are we Democrats? Are Republicans? And I remember my dad
playing his day, turning in and saying, we're Republicans.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That was it. There was no explanation, you know, there
was no deep political philosophy around it.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
But then you know, you watch him bust his.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Butt and work that hard work.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
And he's a construction man. We're a construction family. His
dad work construction. That's what he does. You watch him
bust his butt no matter what. You watch the guy
go to work, no matter what, cold, hot, busting his
reran his whole life, hard work, toughness, no whining. And
you may not have been reading about Ronald Reagan and
Winston Churchill from your dad, But you grow up one
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day and you figure out, well, that was framing how
you view the world, you know, and his own way
framing how you view the world will take you to
where you need to be politically. If your dad's a worthless, loser,
freeloader and raises you to be that way, you're probably
going to be a Democrat believes in hard work and
success and in no whining, you're gonna fall somewhere on
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the right. Maybe you be a libertarian or a nationalist
or a conservative or something like that, but you're going
to be somewhere on the right.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
So there's that.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
And really what I have to politically, at least as
far as my career goes, to thank him for beyond
the lessons about hard work, it's being unapologetic.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
About who you were.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
He is, my sister said at his funeral, And it
was so true that she'd never met anybody in her
life as unapologetically who he was as my dad was.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And people will say things to me like, oh, man,
that was brave.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
I can't believe you said that. That took a lot
of courage, which I find to be ridiculous. It's not
courageous to say things on TV and radio. You know,
cops are courageous. Troops are courageous. But to whatever degree
you believe that, Wow, that really took guts, Well it's
not that it took guts. I really genuinely just don't
care if you're angry about it. It's not even that
I'm happy you're angry or sad you're angry. It means
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nothing to me whatsoever. This is how I feel, So
this is how I talk, and you can take it
or leave it. Really genuinely doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
To me at all. That's the Keliwey and that's really
one of the main things I learned from him. I'd say,
do you.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Know who famously said, imagine how much good you can
do in the world if you stop caring what other
people think about you?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Me?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
No, that's my It's on my way, the only one
I expect to be remembered for, if you'll keep saying
it years after I'm gone. I have said to you
jokingly over the years that you're dead inside, and it
is joking part. But I do think there is a
certain skill set to come back to the any anti
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communist manifesto, there is a skill set to taking back
our country. Because I hate that people think that Trump's
going to solve all our problems. He's doing his part.
We did our part to help them get elected. But
we're the heads of household, we're the heads of businesses,
we're the parents of of kids that are in schools.
We're out, we're serving on juries. We're going to have
to take this country back, and part of that means
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being a little dead inside to the emotions of other people.
We have to be as you it comes naturally to
you because you genuinely don't care what other people think.
We have been taught by mommies and school teachers who
are mommies at school for our entire lives that we
have to be nice to everyone.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, no, you've got to do the right thing.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
And that's what I like about the book that the
message is understand these best, Understand what you're dealing with,
Understand who they are, and you unapologetically call them that.
And now once you understand who they are, understand we're
in a war and how we're going to win.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
And I think that is the point.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
That that's the real takeaway from this book that I
think it has a chance to make a difference.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
With It's why I wrote the action items. Every single
chapter has a subject with history and everything else, but
at the back end of it it has action items.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Things you can do. Right. It's not just here's a problem.
That's a problem. That's problem.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
It's things you can do and the boldness to do
something is required.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And the reason it look it is a.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Great aid that I am that way that I was
raised that way. It is a great aid when fighting communists,
because communists are masterful at using your values and your
emotions against you.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
It's the you know they're banking on.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
When your liberal ant Peggy walks into your Super Bowl
party and she starts bragging about her fifteenth abortion and
talking about why we need all the foreign barbarians in
the country, the normal reaction from the right would be
something similar to what you would expect your wife to say.
She'd lean in, look at you and say, please don't
embarrass me. Why because she wants to maintain peace. Lets
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everything calm down, Let's just walk away from it. But
that is how the communist wins. That please don't embarrass
me attitude from us. That has turned him into the
only aggressor in every single social setting, and so he's
moved the culture his way because liberal and pagan's the
only one screaming no, no more, don't embarrass me, no more,
(34:10):
be nice about it, no more, roll your eyes and
go to the other room.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
No more of that. No, no, no, no no. You put that
kami hag.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Witch in her place right then and there and tell
her if she doesn't like it, she can pack up
her tampons and her cat.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Litter, and she can get back in her.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Subaru outback and never come back in the house again.
Start treating the Communists like the rat, demon vermin that
he is, and stop treating him like just some kind
of lost, naive child who will slowly come around if
you're just kind enough to him. That does not work
with communists, the religious Celts. They only understand fear and pain,
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and so you have to be the one to give
that to them.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
You said earlier, know you're enemy, and I think what
you do a great job in the book at is
explaining who these people are and understanding you can't wait
on them to stop you. You've got to fight back.
You can't roll over and hope they stop what they're doing.
And I love that as part of it, because we
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have what I call the nice neighbor problem. We all
want to be the nice neighbor, no matter how loud
the music gets, the gunshots get, the pit bull coming on.
I mean, at some point you have to push back
and say enough is enough. And that's probably my favorite
part is you explaining, and you kind of alluded to
it there that the communist is not things aren't just
(35:31):
random people who happen to share some ideas in both
the same way. This is a mindset which is a
replacement for religion. They are zellous, they are committed, and
when you understand what you're up against, then that's they're
fewer of them, but that's why they win so often.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah, Well, the problem is when it comes to you know,
people love that old saying it takes two to tango,
but that is not the case when it comes to war,
whether that be actual kinetic war or cultural wars or
political wars, it only.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Takes one side.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
And you're liberal and Peggy, she believes she's a warrior,
and she believes she's at war. So no matter what
you think about that, you're at war.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
She has already declared war. She is fighting a war.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
She's fighting it as if it's a war that she
must win. And so whether or not you like that
or agree with that means nothing whatsoever. One side has
decided there is going to be a war. So now
you have to fight it as if it is a war,
and she fights it as if she intends to win
it all in all the time, And that's something I
(36:32):
try to get through to people in the book, is
we can't be as lase fair about power as we
always have been. Oh sure, we'll show up and vote
for Donald Trump once every four years, but then local
school board election. I'm too busy. I got soccer practice tonight.
I can't be bothered with this. I can't be bothered
with that. That's exactly why you have these red cities
(36:53):
and red areas that are run by vicious little commie
monsters putting trannies in the public library to shake his
penis in front of your child. Because you abstain from
power and liberal and Peggy did not. She's not abstaining
from anything. She drives around like a freaking predator looking
for choke points of power to seize. And we have
to understand they're around us. They're seizing these choke points,
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and we have to take them back.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Your viewers are watching you mostly talk about national issues.
The President Trump the other day signed a bill that
said no more boys in women's sports. Turns out eighty percentage. Technically,
seventy nine percent of Americans do not want boys in
girls' sports. What we're talking about now are local, family,
(37:40):
community issues, not national issues. We talked to national issues
on national broadcasts. But at the end of the day,
and I will applaud you for this. You have said,
get and again the most important election that you will
participate in is not presidential.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
It is your local school board.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
You should participate all of them. And understanding that the
communist is most active where the rubber hits a road,
in the local school, at the local city garden. And
I think that is another important thing for those who
haven't read the book. That's a point you make again
and again. Get involved locally, not just where you see
the national stories.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Every single person has the ability and should get involved
in some way. If you are not doing any kind
of political activism, you are flat out wrong. And that
doesn't mean you have to run for Congress or state
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I went to I live in an extremely.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Read area of Texas, and I went to a school
board meeting.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
This is a few months back. It was a school
board forum.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
There were five school board seats, so we're talking about
control of the school board. And I show up probably
one hundred and fifty two hundred people there at this thing,
and I'm gabbing with one of the local elected leaders
in the back run of the Republicans.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
He knows who I am, and we're there.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I'm asking him about the demographics of the crowd or
their political meetings in the crowd, and he starts laughing
and he said, it's a school board meeting, probably ninety
five percent Democrats.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Here.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
We are blood red area, MAGA flags everywhere.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Trump is Trump that I love Trump, Go America.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Whoo. But the school board that's going to determine whether
Aid and Jaden and Braden learn that they're gay in
the fifth grade. That school board completely occupied by commis
and it's Commi's they're figuring out which commedy they want
on the school board while we sit at home church,
soccer work, ignoring the real choke points of power and
that we cannot do anymore. We have to go take
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back everything legally and locally.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Well.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
And that's the point of the any communist manifesto. That's
what I take away from it is understanding how committed
these people are. I really still think, and that's why
I hope people will read the book. I really still
think people are underestimating who these people are. Oh my sister,
we're just a little different. No, No, you have to understand,
(39:57):
you know, I'm a student of the Civil War, and
I know that's not of all the military activity you follow,
it is probably not your top one. It is for me,
and I am in constant shocked at how the Confederate forces, underfed, undertrained,
undermanned were able to fight so efficiently effectively against the
(40:19):
Union army that had better food, food, weaponry, training, the
whole thing because the Southern folks were much more committed.
It wasn't about slavery. It was about protecting their own community.
And we can argue over that all day, but you
study these things and it's like in Jericho in the Bible,
they are fighting with just a viciousness, and it mattered
on the battlefield these communists, and it might be our
(40:42):
sister law, it might be our kids teacher. They're fighting
with a viciousness. And you point that out. I think
too few people that do what we do either understand
it or are willing to say it in that way.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Well, when you say it, when you allow your mind
to go there, then what you do is is you've
accepted the fact that you're at war. And that's the
that's the real hold up for most people. They don't
want to live their life like that. They don't want
to live in constant conflict. They don't want to have
to get involved, even locally. They don't want to have
to get screamed at. They don't want to have to
(41:16):
They don't want to have to do these things. People
in America want to just and this is a very
natural human thing. I'm not dogging on Americans. We just
want to exist. Can't I just go to work? Why
do you have to? This stuff shouldn't even be in school.
Why do I have to fight this stuff in school?
Speaker 3 (41:32):
What I shouldn't have to? We shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
I shouldn't have It's a lot of that I shouldn't
have to. I should Yeah, you shouldn't have to. But
we sat back and laid back for so long. We
let the demons take over everything. Well, now you have to.
It's not an option to not be involved. But the
hesitancy to acknowledge that the pink haired freak in your
child's second grade class with the Black Lives Matter flag
(41:56):
up there, it's hard to just accept that that is
actually a child predator who is teaching your child for
the express purpose of shattering your child and breaking them
away from you.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
That's a fact Jesse.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Since I'm running the show today, your folks should tell
me we're out of time. I appreciate you, my man.
I love the book. Everybody buy it. It's out in
paperback today. I'm very proud of you moment.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Thank you, my brother. As always, thank you for everything.
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The Michael Barry Show. Welcome to our Saturday podcast. Whether
you're listening on Saturday or whenever it is you're getting
around to it, always a pleasure to get to talk
to you. This week is a fun one. Years ago,
we were doing a story about John McCain's stranglehold on
(00:21):
Arizona politics, and it was about how they were controlling
the state House, the state Senate, the governor's mansion, who
would get into Congress in this kind of shadowy group
that was like the Republican establishment in DC. And I
(00:41):
had a listener who we tracked down named Jesse Kelly,
and he had run for Congress against Gabby Gifford twice
and came within a whisker of beating her. And it
was about how the Republicans there didn't help him and
they worked with the Democrats to help her stay in office.
(01:02):
And this happens, right, you've seen this. Look at how
many Republicans actually helped Kamala Harris against Donald Trump. You know,
the chenese Ken singer. Look at all these folks. So anyway,
I had Jesse Kelly on the air and it was
a wonderful interview and I told him he was very
entertaining and very smart. He was selling r vs. There's
nothing wrong with selling r v's, but this was a
(01:24):
guy whose talents were not necessarily selling RV's. His talents
were processing and analyzing and commenting on cultural and political commentary.
So I began. I called him that night, and we
began a friendship, and I began kind of advising him.
And I advise a lot of people, and most people, frankly,
(01:45):
don't take my advice. They asked for advice, but they
don't listen. They have their own headstrong ideas.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And he did.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And the more he listened, the more I wanted to help.
And he grew and grew and grew, and I'm so proud.
He does a TV show now, he has a nationally
syndicated video show, and he's just smart and a dear friend.
And it was the one year anniversary recently of his
book coming out, and they were launching the paperback and
(02:13):
his producer said, hey, you know, Jesse does interviews all day.
We'd like to interview you. I mean, we'd like you
to interview him on his show.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Glad to do it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So I did, and here is that interview. I'll warn
you in advance. My mom passed away a few days
before his dad passed away, and so we were both
kind of going through that on our own.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
But we're both dudes.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Dudes, we don't talk about it, and this was really
the first chance that we've had to actually talk about it.
So there is a very very rare moment where Jesse
is Verklempt in the conversation, and you'll see it. He's
a marine, he's not an emotor and you will notice
(02:58):
that as it's happening.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Hopefully, what you'll.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Also hear is two good friends having a good time.
So anyway, thanks for sharing our podcast with your friends
and family, and in this case, maybe your fellow Marines.
Drop Jesse an email on his website and tell him
you heard us talking about it, and now you're going
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his show and our show airs at the same time,
so you can't be listening to him while we're on that.
(03:23):
That would not be cool. You know, that's like stealing
your best friend's girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
But he is a dear friend, he's a great guy,
and you know what, there's enough to go around.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Enjoy.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
A long time ago, actually about six and a half
years ago, I was not doing this for a living.
I was selling RVs. This is back when I had
hair and a lot less gray and my beard. And
I got to know somebody, big shot, nationally syndicated radio host,
Michael Barry. Basically for me, he was someone I listened
(03:55):
to on the radio. And he sends me a message
one day and says, hey, come on my show.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I need to go on the Michael Berry Show. And
I'm selling RV's.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
I'm in the RV dealership and I go again, I'm
on Michael Berry Show. It was cool, but it was
twenty minutes and then I hung up and didn't think
about it again. And that night I'm in the Taco
Bell drive through and I get a phone call from
Michael Berry calling my cellphone, just a BS, just to
talk about things. And then we started hanging out. And
(04:23):
guess why you get to watch yours truly here on
the first every single day because Michael Barry told me
you need to give it a shot, give a media
career a shot, and.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So here I am. Now you're stuck with me joining me.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Now, somebody who has not only pushed me into this,
has mentored me every step of the way. My good
friend Michael Barry. Michael, you have such an incredible eye
for talent.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I recognized the talent that was Jesse Kelly in our
first radio interview, and the rest.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
As they say, is.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
History.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
People call me by different names. Had a shirt, I
mean I had a cap made about this. Yes, and
today is a special day because, as I hope you've
told your viewers, this is the day that the Anti
Communist Manifesto hits the shelves in paperback form. So the
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production team and I thought would be a good idea
off instead of you talking to everybody, I interview.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
First of all, I write this book.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Why what?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Why write this book? Well?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I don't like to write, you know, I told you
that all the time, because you were always nagging to me,
I gotta write more, I gotta Why are you not
writing more?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Because you were.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Always on me about that you need to write an
article about this, you need to get your name out there.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
And those were good and and so you clearly have
a knack for writing.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah, it was for the it was for the Federalist
and I did do some things for town Hall, and
there's a couple other places I forgot. But I hate
to write. I've tried to explain this to people.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I tried to.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Whine to you about it all the time, and you
were nagging at me about it. I don't like to write.
Ab My wife did the same thing. She's like, you
need to write, you need to write. I hate writing.
I realize people enjoy the things that I write for
some reason, probably because I'm stupid and it's easy for
everyone to understand.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
But I don't like to write. I hate to write,
and I.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Never wanted to write a book and I don't ever
want to write another one.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
The idea of writing an.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Anti communist manifesto because of my hatred for communists was
appealing to me.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It was It's the only thing that was appealing to me.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Because Chris Balf, my good friend, business partner, Chris Balf,
begged me forever to write a book too, and I
just wouldn't. And finally he's the one who pitched me
on that idea, and I thought, you know, it was
like a light bulb came on a see said it.
I thought to myself, wow, that that's probably something I
could dig into But even that for me was insurmountable.
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As I told him in the open, Michael, that the
feeling most people get they when that have to speak
in front of people, and they get that feeling in
the pit of their stomach where you have a moment
where you think I'd rather die then get up in
front of people and speak.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
It's a very human thing. You know.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
You don't have that anymore, and I don't have that anymore,
but it's a very natural thing. That's what I feel
like if I have to write even a thousand words,
If you if we hung up here and you called
me and said you'd have to write something on the
border and get it turned into the Federalist, and you're
all over me about it, like I would feel borderline
physically sick.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
That's how much I hate writing.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
But this book meant the concept of this meant enough
to me, and I thought I could maybe do it well.
And I thought, well, screw it, you might as well
give it a shot. And so now I'm a world
famous author, Michael, world famous.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Indeed.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Question I thought that the reason for the book was
as a delivery mechanism for your burger recipe. I thought
it was really just a trojan horse, get the burger
recipe into as many hands as you possibly could. But
you know, on that subject, Rush Limbaugh used to say,
after he wrote his second book, he said there will
be no more books. He would ask for more books,
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and he said, I don't have an iron butt. And
I've always liked that line, because we sit, you know,
you sit and do television, you sit and do radio.
When we're done with that, we don't want to sit
and write more.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And it's hard.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
It's hard to imagine, you know, the brain power that
that requires, the tedium that that requires. Like Kerrol Markowitz,
our mutual friend, Kerrol mark Witz, I think she could
write in her sleep. It comes very naturally to her.
But I think for us we are communicators by voice
and expressive in this way verbally.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
And not in the written form.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
So I look, although all came aside, hats off to
you for finishing.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
The damn thing, you know, isn't that Don't you find
what you just said kind of weird?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Or I find it kind of.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Weird people like Carol who can just sit down and
just hammer out subject and in fact they love it,
like they enjoy it. I don't get that at all.
But Carol Dave Marcus.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Is this way.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
These types just natural writers can sit down and it
just flows from them, like anyone who listens to your
radio show can hear, it just flows out of you.
It's effortless, right. I can't write like that. You know,
you asked me to sit in time for three hours.
I run my mouth for three hours. I'll talk about
cheeseburgers for three hours, but if you ask me to
write it down, I don't express myself in that way.
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And people who have that talent, I'm envious of it.
You know, people watch us through radio and TV and
think it's all fancy or whatnot. But I'm jealous of
the people who can write. If you can sit and write,
I wish I could do that, because that's in my opinion,
yes exactly. I was about to say, it's it's longer lasting.
You know, someone's long after I'm dead and gone, someone's
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gonna pick up the Anti Communist Manifesto. I'm not going
to download the Jesse Kelly Show podcast, j.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
L Roar book, and PJ is not around anymore, but
I can still laugh at his jokes. You know, songwriters
and great artists will say, I've seen them interviewed and
they will say that the greatest compliment they can give
to another song is that they hate the person who
wrote it because they wished they had written it. I
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have to tell you, doing what I do, and having
done it since long before you were doing it, when
you created the language around communism for what the left
is and started shoehorning it into that and giving kind
of a structure to you need to understand these people
aren't just out there in the ether operating. This is
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a redux of what we've seen before. They are communists.
That I hated you for that because why couldn't I
have thought of that, because it made it. It made
it much more under standable and accessible. And I hats
off to you for that.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Well, I study my enemy, right, I mean we always
we all know this, especially dudes know this, that you
study your enemy, what works and what doesn't work. We
have we had the Marines working with the chikoms in
before World War two to learn about jungle warfare. Right,
you study your enemy, how does he operate? And one
thing that really really hit me as I watched you know,
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you watch enough of the news and read enough crap,
and you're watching videos on social media, it really hits
you how purposeful the communist is with his language, so
incredibly purposeful discipline he demands the discipline of his fellow communists.
Go ahead and watch a CNN panel where you have
a bunch of Democrats on there, and watch even one
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of them call.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
An illegal and illegal. Well, in illegal, he.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Will be We've all seen it a million times, he
or she will be scolded by his fellow communists. Well,
but we don't say that word here. We'd like to
use the word undocumented. Why are they so purposeful about it?
Because language leads to mindset, you know, leads to mindset.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And mindset leads to performance.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So if you want the American people to be more
accepting of importing millions of foreign barbarians, you don't call
them illegals.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You call them undocumented.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And then it sounds like Lupe tripped over the border
to have eighteen kids here instead of impurposely invading the country,
which is what she did, to have all of her
kids become American citizens. So they are purposeful with how
they speak, And I didn't like how unpurposeful.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I'm sure that's not a word. You know, Michael, I
didn't go to college. I didn't like how.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Unpurposeful the right was because most of us, obviously it's
not universal, come from a place of honesty, right, You
want to be honest. We care about the truth and
facts and things like that. So we just speak, you know,
we just talk. But the communist is framing everything. He's
framing it, he's labeling it. He's branding everything, which is
something you're always riding me about his brain.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
He's branding we're being branded.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
As Nazis, as white supremacist, as this and that, because
he's focused with his language.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And I did not like our lack of focus and decided.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
To attempt, in my own small way to try to
focus things.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
That's why the Anti Communist Manifesto is out today in paperback,
the more affordable version with Jesse's famous burger recipe. At
the end, tell me what reaction you received from readers,
because you read your emails. We talked about this for
a long time, from your TV viewers, You read your
emails from your listeners. What was a reaction to the
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book that you received that surprised you or you at
least didn't expect.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Well, you know how we just talked about how I
don't like writing every single thing I ever wrote, you know,
a little article for the Federalists, every single thing I
ever wrote. When I was done writing it, I hated it.
I would read it several times and I would think,
this is slop. It's not intelligent, it's not entertaining. And
you know, what do you do. You send it to family,
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you know, you send it to your mom. I would,
I would send it to my mom. But what's your
mom gonna say, That's the greatest thing I've ever read
in my life? But even still, nothing, nothing cured the
fact that I hated it. When Nick Rizzuto and I
wrote this book, when it was finally done, we did
this long weekend meetup where we kind of ripped up
and rewrote this and I didn't like the wording here.
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So we're rewriting all this stuff, and we finally we
have the finishing touches on it, and I read through
the entire thing again when.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
It was done. I thought it sucked.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I really genuinely thought it sucked. I thought the stuff
that he did, you know, the research the facts was
so fascinating because I nerd out on that but I thought,
I really genuinely thought it sucked. And everyone knows I'm
not being fake humble. I'm the least humble person in
the world. I just don't think I write well. And
so I read the book and I thought, this is garbage.
It's garbage. It's going to be another one of those
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books that somebody something servative rights and it's published, but
then it disappears into the ether after a few days
because it really kind of freaking sucked. That really was
one hundred percent what I thought was going to happen.
And then boom, it just takes off and it's national
bestseller and it's.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
This people are email on the show. It's one of
the best books I've ever read. I bought five copies.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I'm handing it to friends and family, and I to
this day it's the most surprised I've ever been in
my six and a half years of doing media. The
most surprised by a mile I've ever been has been
the listener and viewer reaction to the book, how much
it was.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It was universal. I don't think I got one from
a listener that said that wasn't very good. They just
did backflips over the whole thing. I still don't get it.
I still think it sucks.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
They're talking about the perpetuity in which a book can
be kept, right. That was Ray Bradbury's fornhe Fahrenheit four
or five to one. He's burnt all the books, and
you burn all the knowledge because that's how we pass
from generation to generation. We can go back and read
him Away, we can go back and read Shakespeare, we
can go back into history and read the words of
people that we don't mean. But what's fascinating about a book?
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And I think that's why it was important you did this.
I think what makes it so amazing is you and
I and everybody watching you is part of a movement
to take back our country, to improve the lives of
our children and grandchildren, to make America great again. I
mean that really means something, right, That's why Reagan first
came up with it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But the idea of our.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Movement and how we communicate and educate and share.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
We have radio.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
You and I do radio every evening, and so that's
people while they're driving mostly or you know, they're.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
In their podcast ears.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Then we have television, and that's mostly when you're at
home and you can watch it on your TV. But
there is in a book, there is an opportunity to
reduce to writing a thought, a concept, the tenets of
the movement in this case, which is what you set out,
and to be able to share that with people, and
to be able to do that in a way that
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you can say, Jesse, it's your birthday. I bought this
book from this guy. Or Billy, it's your birthday. I
bought this book from this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Read it.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
It's great, and they may not be able to get
them to listen to your radio show or watch your
television show, but they will share that there's something kind
of cool about that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It's another part of the movement.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, it's like another tool in your tool belt. I
totally agree. And I've always loved quotes, you know, I've
just everyone does, right, Who doesn't love a great quote?
But I have, as uneducated and dam as I am.
I have all these endless quotes from various authors and
historical figures burned into my head because they were written down.
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I mean, who doesn't Who doesn't know the John Adams quote?
I study war and politics so my sons can study
mathematics and philosophy, like how profound and freaking awesome is
that it's a quote that's just like yeah, and when
it's written, it's more meaningful. And just talking about this,
think about this a lot. People will talk about Rush
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Limbaugh to this day the goat the greatest of all time.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I miss Rush, I miss Rush. Rush is the best,
and of course he was.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
And one of the wild things about it is you
could listen to Rush Limba for three hours a day
and you were entertained, and you were informed, and you
were all those things. All that stuff is true. But
when I see Rush Limbaugh quotes, people will still put
them up on Twitter or Facebook or something like that.
You'll you'll read a Rush Limbaugh quote and you'll think, man,
that is profound. That is as profound as any conservative
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writing I've ever read in my life.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I just didn't.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I guess it didn't make the same impact on me
because I was listening to it at the time, or
maybe I was half listening. You know how it is
with a radio audience, they're mostly half listening, and so
it didn't make an impact on me when I heard it.
But when I read it, I thought, man, that is
as deep and wonderful as anything that you can run
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writing it down, Yes, yes, ranging it.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
What do you.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Say, because it's been reduced to writing. When you reduce
something to writing, it gives it. It gives it a
gravi toss that having been spoken alone. So you mentioned
your mom, and you know that's what moms are for,
are they cheer for us? So a few months ago
I lost my mom and a matter of days later
you lost your dad. But your dad did get to
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see the hardback edition obviously that the paperback is out today.
What was your dad's reaction, because you and your dad
have a very interesting relationship.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
You know, first he texted the group family text the
day the book was published, so you know, as Simon
and Schuster, a big shot book publisher, they published the
book and I'm grateful they did it, and it becomes
this national bestseller.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
And he's not a big Texter, as you can imagine.
My old man was rough around.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
The edges and he texted the group chat and he said,
I can't believe he actually wrote a book after ailing
algebra three times in college.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
So he but that was his love.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Language, right, and other than that, he would he would
tell me he was proud of me. Occasionally, but most
of my stories from him I would get secondhand because
my dad was not it wasn't it wasn't the lovey
dovey type with me, so I wouldn't get as much
from him, but I would get all the time from
my mom and sister that he would brag the strangers,
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total strangers who didn't give a crap about me or
the book. He's telling them, Well, my son, yeah, he
wrote a book. It's big, it's national bestseller. You should
go buy it.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
He bullied perfect strangers into buying the book, completely.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Proud of the whole thing. Just didn't tell me that
much about it. And that was that was the way
he was.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
He was. He was something.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
You're a marine. You're a tough guy. Not as tough
as your dad, but tough like your dad. And he's
what made you tough, very very tough.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Man an into forest. We struggle as men to cope
with grief, right, and we're not as expressive as women.
It's a difficult it's a difficult thing. Let's talk about that.
So you get the news that your dad passed. If
we've had this conversation, you may be harder than you
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would have ever imagined.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
How did that change it? What advice do.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
You have for people who go through these because we're guys,
we don't grieve easily.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Or well, well, I'll tell you it's a process. It's
a process I'm still going through, so I certainly don't
want to pretend like I'm an expert on it. I
can only tell people what I've gone through. I'll have
For me, it comes in waves, you know, it comes
and it goes.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You know, I'll have I'll wake up one morning it
was this morning, and I feel great.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I feel great, you know, still miss him, but feel
great going through the workday, even talking about him right now, fine,
totally fine. So it's not like that fingers it or
something like that talking you're fine, everything's fine. But it
could be tomorrow morning. I may wake up and I
don't feel like it out of bed, and the grief
will come and it will go, and it will come
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and it will go. But the difference between, you know,
I'm sure this is a big men and women thing,
as you just alluded to, is the.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Talking about it. I have no problem you know, telling all.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I'm telling my wife when when I'm grieving, But oftentimes
I don't tell her. She could just tell She'll see
it right on my face when I walk home or whatever,
or walk home, when I walk in the door, or
when I wake up in the morning. She can see
it if I'm making breakfast, and then she'll always ask me,
because this is her way, do you want to talk
about it? And occasionally I have one or two, but
for the most part, no, The answer is no. I
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don't want to talk about it. And it's not that
I'm trying to bottle everything up. Sometimes men have to
grieve alone. You know, there's nothing I can say. There's
nothing I can say, There's no way I can convey
what I'm thinking or feeling, and frankly, I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Feel like it.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
And the best advice I could give to people if
they're going through any grief is that's okay. If you
want to talk about it, that's okay. You want to
guither with friends, that's okay. You want to go be
in a cabin by yourself in the woods for a
couple weeks by your grief, that's okay. Everyone grieves differently
in their own way, and it's totally fine. I don't
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pass judgment on how my friends and family are grieving,
they don't pass it on me. And that's the best
advice I can give. If I want to be alone,
I'll be alone. If I want to take the day
off of work, I will. If I want to go
home and have an extra whiskey, I might.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But grieve in your own way.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
So I preach, and I literally preach this almost daily,
that because I have known of people who lose a
loved one. My brother died three years ago, was fifty
four years old. It was an active duty police officer,
and I get the call and he's passed, and so
we didn't get that last conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
We literally talk every day, and I.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Tell people, you don't know when you walk out the
door and that door slams behind you and you you
throw that last zinger, hurt them as much as you can.
That may be the last thing you ever say to
that person. And I've known people for whom that was
the case. And I say, no matter what happens to
my wife and I have a rule, we do not
separate without I love you in a meaningful way, because
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if that's the last thing I ever say to her,
I don't want there to be any doubt that I
worry that she doubted you and your dad had a
special moment there the last time you talked, which is
almost I mean you talk about God's God's hand on us.
That was sort of a very unique moment. See if
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you're if you're good with it, I think people should
hear that story. I think they should see that side
of you.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
All Right, let's see if I can get through this.
So my dad, uh, it's it's just a Kelly's thing.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
I'm the exact same way. My dad did not stay
in other people's homes when he would visit out of town.
The Kellys don't do that. You don't stay in other
people's homes. Look, I'm not defending it. It was just
our way. You don't stay in other people's homes. You
go visit, you have your dinner, you go then if
you're out of town, you go to a hotel or
you go back home. You don't stay with other people.
And this included me is his son. You know, I
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have a we have the two boys. He was the
best grandpa, just loved those boys. But he would come
down then you know, we'd have dinner and we dive
in there and then he'd go to a hotel with
my mom.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
They'd go, he wouldn't stay. So I have a theory.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I don't know this, but I have a theory that
my father knew he was dying.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I think I think a doctor told him. He's not
the type he would pass.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
That along, because the last time I saw him, he
came down to visit us in Texas for a week,
and he stayed.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
With us a week. My dad won't stay with you
for a night.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
There were instances where he would come in, fly in,
and they were gonna have to come stay at the
house to stay with the boys, and he would still
go to a hotel for one night and then get
up and come back with us. But for this week,
he said, I'm staying with you. Never happened. He brought
down a couple hunting knives for the boys. Never happens.
My dad doesn't do that sentimental stuff really, And we
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went out fishing. We went fishing, went fishing for red fish.
One morning, Saturday. It was Saturday morning. We went fishing
for red fish, got up me him, the boys, went
out fishing. Didn't catch much, but had a blast listening
to him yell at the boys, and everything was great.
We finished with that, we go eat a big cage
and meal found this cage in place. We love to eat.
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My Dad's just like me. We just love to eat.
Of course I got that from him. We made pigs
of ourselves. And that night it was playoff baseball. Dodgers
were playing somebody, forget who, maybe the padre is somebody.
Dodgers were playing somebody, and sitting there on the couch,
my dad had, of course taken over my recliner. He
comes in and takes over my recliner son sitting on
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the couch and we're watching the baseball games, me and him,
and I just turned to him and I told him
I loved him.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Right, That was I mean, it was something we.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Said but not often, not often, just out of the blue,
told him I loved him, turns to me, tells me
he loves me too. That was Saturday night. I hug him,
kiss him good night, say goodbye. I did not get
up in time to see him. The next morning, they
were leaving super early. He got up him, my mom
took off. He went home that night on Sunday night,
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told my mom that I had told him I loved him,
and how much that meant to him. And then went
to bed and died in his sleep that night.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
God is good.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
There is your reminder to each and every person that
we just don't know when that last moment is going.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
To occur, and live your life accordingly.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Yeah, I mean that's as beautiful as it gifts. How
much of the person you are politically? I know you're
a miniature version of him in the way you're grumpy
and you're not expressive, but you're tough and you're dutiful
and all that. How much of your politics looking back now,
because he's very much a self made man as you are,
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how much of your politics do you attribute to things
you heard him say or how you watched him live?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:29):
A lot of it. And what's funny is he wasn't political.
We were not a political family. I didn't grow up political.
The only political conversation I ever remember having with my parents,
and I'm not kidding, it is the only one I think.
I was in kindergarten, maybe the first grade.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
George H. W.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Bush was running for president, and in our class we
had a mock election, right, and there were Democrats and Republicans,
and you could you know, there was just grade school,
stupid grade school stuff, and.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I didn't even know what I was or what we were.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
So I went home that night and I asked my parents,
are we Democrats? Are Republicans? And I remember my dad
playing his day, turning in and saying, we're Republicans.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That was it. There was no explanation, you know, there
was no deep political philosophy around it.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
But then you know, you watch him bust his.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Butt and work that hard work.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
And he's a construction man. We're a construction family. His
dad work construction. That's what he does. You watch him
bust his butt no matter what. You watch the guy
go to work, no matter what, cold, hot, busting his
reran his whole life, hard work, toughness, no whining. And
you may not have been reading about Ronald Reagan and
Winston Churchill from your dad, But you grow up one
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day and you figure out, well, that was framing how
you view the world, you know, and his own way
framing how you view the world will take you to
where you need to be politically. If your dad's a worthless, loser,
freeloader and raises you to be that way, you're probably
going to be a Democrat believes in hard work and
success and in no whining, you're gonna fall somewhere on
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the right. Maybe you be a libertarian or a nationalist
or a conservative or something like that, but you're going
to be somewhere on the right.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
So there's that.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
And really what I have to politically, at least as
far as my career goes, to thank him for beyond
the lessons about hard work, it's being unapologetic.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
About who you were.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
He is, my sister said at his funeral, And it
was so true that she'd never met anybody in her
life as unapologetically who he was as my dad was.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And people will say things to me like, oh, man,
that was brave.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
I can't believe you said that. That took a lot
of courage, which I find to be ridiculous. It's not
courageous to say things on TV and radio. You know,
cops are courageous. Troops are courageous. But to whatever degree
you believe that, Wow, that really took guts, Well it's
not that it took guts. I really genuinely just don't
care if you're angry about it. It's not even that
I'm happy you're angry or sad you're angry. It means
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nothing to me whatsoever. This is how I feel, So
this is how I talk, and you can take it
or leave it. Really genuinely doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
To me at all. That's the Keliwey and that's really
one of the main things I learned from him. I'd say,
do you.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Know who famously said, imagine how much good you can
do in the world if you stop caring what other
people think about you?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Me?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
No, that's my It's on my way, the only one
I expect to be remembered for, if you'll keep saying
it years after I'm gone. I have said to you
jokingly over the years that you're dead inside, and it
is joking part. But I do think there is a
certain skill set to come back to the any anti
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communist manifesto, there is a skill set to taking back
our country. Because I hate that people think that Trump's
going to solve all our problems. He's doing his part.
We did our part to help them get elected. But
we're the heads of household, we're the heads of businesses,
we're the parents of of kids that are in schools.
We're out, we're serving on juries. We're going to have
to take this country back, and part of that means
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being a little dead inside to the emotions of other people.
We have to be as you it comes naturally to
you because you genuinely don't care what other people think.
We have been taught by mommies and school teachers who
are mommies at school for our entire lives that we
have to be nice to everyone.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
No, no, you've got to do the right thing.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
And that's what I like about the book that the
message is understand these best, Understand what you're dealing with,
Understand who they are, and you unapologetically call them that.
And now once you understand who they are, understand we're
in a war and how we're going to win.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
And I think that is the point.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
That that's the real takeaway from this book that I
think it has a chance to make a difference.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
With It's why I wrote the action items. Every single
chapter has a subject with history and everything else, but
at the back end of it it has action items.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Things you can do. Right. It's not just here's a problem.
That's a problem. That's problem.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
It's things you can do and the boldness to do
something is required.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
And the reason it look it is a.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Great aid that I am that way that I was
raised that way. It is a great aid when fighting communists,
because communists are masterful at using your values and your
emotions against you.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
It's the you know they're banking on.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
When your liberal ant Peggy walks into your Super Bowl
party and she starts bragging about her fifteenth abortion and
talking about why we need all the foreign barbarians in
the country, the normal reaction from the right would be
something similar to what you would expect your wife to say.
She'd lean in, look at you and say, please don't
embarrass me. Why because she wants to maintain peace. Lets
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everything calm down, Let's just walk away from it. But
that is how the communist wins. That please don't embarrass
me attitude from us. That has turned him into the
only aggressor in every single social setting, and so he's
moved the culture his way because liberal and pagan's the
only one screaming no, no more, don't embarrass me, no more,
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be nice about it, no more, roll your eyes and
go to the other room.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
No more of that. No, no, no, no no. You put that
kami hag.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Witch in her place right then and there and tell
her if she doesn't like it, she can pack up
her tampons and her cat.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Litter, and she can get back in her.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Subaru outback and never come back in the house again.
Start treating the Communists like the rat, demon vermin that
he is, and stop treating him like just some kind
of lost, naive child who will slowly come around if
you're just kind enough to him. That does not work
with communists, the religious Celts. They only understand fear and pain,
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and so you have to be the one to give
that to them.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
You said earlier, know you're enemy, and I think what
you do a great job in the book at is
explaining who these people are and understanding you can't wait
on them to stop you. You've got to fight back.
You can't roll over and hope they stop what they're doing.
And I love that as part of it, because we
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have what I call the nice neighbor problem. We all
want to be the nice neighbor, no matter how loud
the music gets, the gunshots get, the pit bull coming on.
I mean, at some point you have to push back
and say enough is enough. And that's probably my favorite
part is you explaining, and you kind of alluded to
it there that the communist is not things aren't just
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random people who happen to share some ideas in both
the same way. This is a mindset which is a
replacement for religion. They are zellous, they are committed, and
when you understand what you're up against, then that's they're
fewer of them, but that's why they win so often.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah, Well, the problem is when it comes to you know,
people love that old saying it takes two to tango,
but that is not the case when it comes to war,
whether that be actual kinetic war or cultural wars or
political wars, it only.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Takes one side.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
And you're liberal and Peggy, she believes she's a warrior,
and she believes she's at war. So no matter what
you think about that, you're at war.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
She has already declared war. She is fighting a war.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
She's fighting it as if it's a war that she
must win. And so whether or not you like that
or agree with that means nothing whatsoever. One side has
decided there is going to be a war. So now
you have to fight it as if it is a war,
and she fights it as if she intends to win
it all in all the time, And that's something I
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try to get through to people in the book, is
we can't be as lase fair about power as we
always have been. Oh sure, we'll show up and vote
for Donald Trump once every four years, but then local
school board election. I'm too busy. I got soccer practice tonight.
I can't be bothered with this. I can't be bothered
with that. That's exactly why you have these red cities
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and red areas that are run by vicious little commie
monsters putting trannies in the public library to shake his
penis in front of your child. Because you abstain from
power and liberal and Peggy did not. She's not abstaining
from anything. She drives around like a freaking predator looking
for choke points of power to seize. And we have
to understand they're around us. They're seizing these choke points,
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and we have to take them back.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Your viewers are watching you mostly talk about national issues.
The President Trump the other day signed a bill that
said no more boys in women's sports. Turns out eighty percentage. Technically,
seventy nine percent of Americans do not want boys in
girls' sports. What we're talking about now are local, family,
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community issues, not national issues. We talked to national issues
on national broadcasts. But at the end of the day,
and I will applaud you for this. You have said,
get and again the most important election that you will
participate in is not presidential.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
It is your local school board.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
You should participate all of them. And understanding that the
communist is most active where the rubber hits a road,
in the local school, at the local city garden. And
I think that is another important thing for those who
haven't read the book. That's a point you make again
and again. Get involved locally, not just where you see
the national stories.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Every single person has the ability and should get involved
in some way. If you are not doing any kind
of political activism, you are flat out wrong. And that
doesn't mean you have to run for Congress or state
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I went to I live in an extremely.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Read area of Texas, and I went to a school
board meeting.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
This is a few months back. It was a school
board forum.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
There were five school board seats, so we're talking about
control of the school board. And I show up probably
one hundred and fifty two hundred people there at this thing,
and I'm gabbing with one of the local elected leaders
in the back run of the Republicans.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
He knows who I am, and we're there.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I'm asking him about the demographics of the crowd or
their political meetings in the crowd, and he starts laughing
and he said, it's a school board meeting, probably ninety
five percent Democrats.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Here.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
We are blood red area, MAGA flags everywhere.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Trump is Trump that I love Trump, Go America.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Whoo. But the school board that's going to determine whether
Aid and Jaden and Braden learn that they're gay in
the fifth grade. That school board completely occupied by commis
and it's Commi's they're figuring out which commedy they want
on the school board while we sit at home church,
soccer work, ignoring the real choke points of power and
that we cannot do anymore. We have to go take
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back everything legally and locally.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Well.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
And that's the point of the any communist manifesto. That's
what I take away from it is understanding how committed
these people are. I really still think, and that's why
I hope people will read the book. I really still
think people are underestimating who these people are. Oh my sister,
we're just a little different. No, No, you have to understand,
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you know, I'm a student of the Civil War, and
I know that's not of all the military activity you follow,
it is probably not your top one. It is for me,
and I am in constant shocked at how the Confederate forces, underfed, undertrained,
undermanned were able to fight so efficiently effectively against the
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Union army that had better food, food, weaponry, training, the
whole thing because the Southern folks were much more committed.
It wasn't about slavery. It was about protecting their own community.
And we can argue over that all day, but you
study these things and it's like in Jericho in the Bible,
they are fighting with just a viciousness, and it mattered
on the battlefield these communists, and it might be our
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sister law, it might be our kids teacher. They're fighting
with a viciousness. And you point that out. I think
too few people that do what we do either understand
it or are willing to say it in that way.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Well, when you say it, when you allow your mind
to go there, then what you do is is you've
accepted the fact that you're at war. And that's the
that's the real hold up for most people. They don't
want to live their life like that. They don't want
to live in constant conflict. They don't want to have
to get involved, even locally. They don't want to have
to get screamed at. They don't want to have to
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They don't want to have to do these things. People
in America want to just and this is a very
natural human thing. I'm not dogging on Americans. We just
want to exist. Can't I just go to work? Why
do you have to? This stuff shouldn't even be in school.
Why do I have to fight this stuff in school?
Speaker 3 (41:32):
What I shouldn't have to? We shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
I shouldn't have It's a lot of that I shouldn't
have to. I should Yeah, you shouldn't have to. But
we sat back and laid back for so long. We
let the demons take over everything. Well, now you have to.
It's not an option to not be involved. But the
hesitancy to acknowledge that the pink haired freak in your
child's second grade class with the Black Lives Matter flag
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up there, it's hard to just accept that that is
actually a child predator who is teaching your child for
the express purpose of shattering your child and breaking them
away from you.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
That's a fact Jesse.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Since I'm running the show today, your folks should tell
me we're out of time. I appreciate you, my man.
I love the book. Everybody buy it. It's out in
paperback today. I'm very proud of you moment.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Thank you, my brother. As always, thank you for everything.
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