PM Show Hr 1 | Brandon Creighton and the Transformation of Texas Tech

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's that time. Lock and load.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
The Michael Berry Show is on the air.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I have never been to Lubbock, Texas.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Odd, right?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Much as I love Mike Davis. I'd never been to
a Texas Tech home game. I was at the famous
Tech versus University of Texas game where Crabtree snatched that
pass out of the air and scored and brought Texas
Tech up to number two in the country. I was,

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like many people, the biggest fan in my own mind
of the Pirate there ever was. I've always watched Texas
Tech from a distance. We got an email years after
we started on the air from B.J. Simmons. A great
quarterback just went in there in their Hall of Fame
this past November. And I've had a lot of friends
from tech over the years. Grant Patterson, who's one of

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our top sellers, is a very proud tech alum. I've
told the story that the 2000 election, there was a
group of us that were on the strike force and
we got tickets to everything at the Bush inauguration in 2001.
And I remember it was a snowy, icy night, and
my wife and I were driving along at 10 miles
an hour, just scared to death we were going to
skid off the road. And when you walked into this

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big facility, the Texas room was the most exclusive group.
And that was the campaign's kind of inner circle. That's
where I told you I met Daryl Royal and Troy
Aikman and Tony Dorsey. It was amazing. Roger's talking about it.
But as you entered— The premier group that had bought
out kind of the lobby of the place was Texas Tech,
and they were guns up in it. And I realized

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these guys from Tech, they're serious. And I have watched
systematically the image of Texas Tech improve year after year
after year. And they're hungry for it. We saw it
on the football field this past year when John Sellers,
Cody Campbell, And my dear friend, Gary Peterson, the three

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of them combined to create the largest NIL account in
the country. They went and got good talent. They got
a great coach. This guy's fantastic. And the team was
just wonderful. They've got a beautiful new stadium. The student
experience is amazing. They've done it with basketball. They've done
it with girls softball. Gary Peterson and I watched last

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year the girls softball championship and They would have won it,
saving it, except for the fact that their star pitcher
had pitched too many innings and she just wore out.
But Texas Tech has been on an upward trajectory, I think,
faster than any university that I can think of. They
have also during that time. made very public statements about

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their political positions with regard to education. We are not
going to be a left-wing institution. We're going to be
an academic institution. And we're not going to teach the
nonsense political correctness. We're going to teach history and science
and mathematics the way it always has been. I would
argue Texas Tech is on an incredible, incredible run. They're

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raising a lot of money, insane amounts of money, and
not just for their sporting programs. They have the Mark Lanier,
who will be our guest next week, law school, the
fellow that won this massive lawsuit against Facebook and Google saying,
you bastards, what you're doing is hooking kids on social
media in a way you lied about that is very

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unhealthy and they're left unprotected and look at the results.
Mark Lanier is not the first big judgment he's ever made.
But he's a very proud Texas Tech alumnus. I think
they named the law school after him.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Ramon, is that right?

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah. Anyway, so a lot of momentum, amazing things. And
they brought in Brandon Creighton, who has been a friend
of the show for a number of years. He is
their new chancellor. And the momentum continues because this guy's
a doer. Keep your eye on Creighton. He's going to
be even bigger in the future. Welcome to the program, Chancellor.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's good to be with you, Michael. How's it going?

Speaker 1 (04:20):
It's fantastic. The bigger question is how it's going for you.
Let's start with, for instance, the kind of things that
we love to see. I was reading about a partnership
with NVIDIA that, what did I see? The only non-military
organization to have the most advanced chip in the nation.
How does Texas Tech land that deal? My understanding from

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an inside source is you were a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yes. I'd love to give a technical answer there, but
sometimes it just comes down to knocking on the door
and laying out a presentation that's a fit for a
collaborative effort with the private sector. Part of my first
100-day agenda was doing exactly that. I went to the

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number one market cap value company in the world and
talked to their co-founders. I had heard that they had
a heart for higher education, but they were frustrated with
their experiences in approaching the sort of northeastern academic elite
IVs with opportunities to collaborate. And I wanted to make

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sure that they understood Texas Tech was ready to work
with them and And we did exactly that. We now
have their GB300 new generation chips that scale forward to
soon to be the Vera Rubin release for their full
agentic AI. And as you mentioned, we have the fastest

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hyper-performance chips of any university in the world other than
the United States Naval Academy Postgraduate School at Monterey with
their defense contracts.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
And so what does that look like? Will you all
have the opportunity to monetize that? Or are you purely
the academic research side of that and NVIDIA takes that
and monetizes that? What does that look like from here?
How does it manifest itself?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's a great question. So we have the choice to
do both. NVIDIA normally with their new generation chips, you know, There's,
you know, A & M and UT and Florida, as examples,
they have the 100 and 200 series chips that do
not scale forward into the future. But what we have

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with the 300 series. And this new generation NVIDIA normally
keeps those close to the vest and they sell time
for the use of those fast modeling, you know, hyper
performance computation chips and that hardware to other companies. for
efficiencies you know six years worth of modeling on cancer

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research or dementia research or efficiencies for the texas electric
grid at six years worth of modeling could be done
in in 25 days and to to be first to
market on those accomplishments and directly with texas tech we
can do both we can hold a percentage of that

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capacity internal for our own research And we can generate
revenue by bringing in companies that we choose to do
business with that would like to purchase time for the
use of those fast hardware.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Let's go back to your original answer, and this is
the takeaway for universities across the country. Stop being creepy.
The private sector does not want to be dragged into left-wing,
highly political, goofy, weird, perverted causes. They want universities to
be universities, centers for research and innovation, places where people learn,

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places where information and analysis is developed. And young people
are growing to get their degrees and graduate students are
changing the world. And isn't it amazing? You just got
back to basics and look at the results you get.
Texas Tech Chancellor Brandon Creighton is our guest. More with
him coming up. I want to go back to why
these women are cheap. I think that there might be some.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh, because I got nothing going on down there, probably.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
You bet they love it. It's a nice town. I
have no idea. Very livable town. Nice size of town.
You know, a lot of people who will say, professional
football team. You haven't been to a tech game. But,
I mean, people who need a professional sports team, okay,

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they're going to go live in a New York, L.A.,
Houston find. But if you want a town to raise
your kids in but have everything you could ever want,
that's Lubbock. I mean, it is not– you've got plenty
of restaurants. You've got plenty of neat things. You've got
air travel. You've got a great university there. You've got

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a solid economy there. Former Senator, now Chancellor of Texas
Tech University, Brandon Creighton, with a lot of momentum, a
lot of wind in their sails, is our guest. You
released a policy memo to guide a phase-out of academic
programs that are centered on sexual orientation and gender identity.

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According to the memo, quote, the Texas Tech University system
will no longer offer academic credentials in these fields. Anyone
who's currently enrolled can complete their degree, but we are
not entering new students, matriculating new students to study sexual orientation.
and gender identity. Why do this and what has been

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the response?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Well, Michael, the response has been outstanding. And you and
I have been talking a long time through the years.
My time in the So much of my time there
on education and education reform, and when I left in

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November after 19 years in the Capitol, I had spent
the better part of a decade on higher education reforms
and funding reforms. And part of that was a culmination
of the Senate Bill 17, removing DEI and heavy enforcement provisions.
But the next generation of that was Senate Bill 37

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that I'm now finding myself enforcing on the front lines
from one of the most conservative universities in the country.
And what an opportunity to be able to do that,
where Senate Bill 37 is deals with curriculum, Senate Bill 17,
before it dealt with hiring. And this curriculum reform, and

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we plan to offer what we think will be guidance
and a model for the nation's universities, not just Texas universities.
It's about ensuring that every course we offer is rigorous,
it's relevant, it's directly tied to preparing students for a
21st century workforce. And you and I both know, and
you've talked about it, I mean, what is higher education

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going to look like in 60 months? Texas Tech plans
to be tip of the spear in directing that outcome,
not waiting to be on the menu.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
What are other ways that returning to normalcy affect, well,
let's talk about fundraising. You've got the three big donations
from Gary Peterson, who it should be noted, I think
in his career has given over $ 50 million to Texas Tech.
Cody Campbell obviously has has given an insane amount of money,

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and his partner, John Sellers. But what are you seeing
from donors from the past, obviously Mark Lanier, but donors
from the past who are now waking up and going, hey,
I love my school again, or hey, I want to
show I love my school again?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
You know, there's synergy and overlap tied to everything we're
talking about with the You know, those donors that have
the affluence and the ability to give at those levels.
But when we're working on reinforcing the integrity of our
curriculum that was already best in class and we're strengthening

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trust from the public, our families that are looking for
a higher education opportunity. We're maintaining the competitiveness we've always had,
but top rankings in law school and agriculture, the business school, engineering,
our research initiatives. Those donors, those alums, and really, I

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would say outside of the Red Raider family, what we're
seeing in support in academics and in athletics is record-setting,
and I believe it's sustainable.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
For people who would say, and I think a lot
of people do, and perhaps reasonably, that there's too much
emphasis on sports. And let's say that the Tech run
this year, arguably the greatest Tech team of all time.
And I've never seen the public so fired up, even
outside Tech Nation, for this team and how far they

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could go. How does that benefit the university beyond just
the sports program?

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, it's an incredible opportunity because it benefits student-athletes. And
when we talk about the evolution of sports, it was
controversial in the 1950s when full-ride scholarships were given for athletics.
It was said at that time that it would destroy
the locker room. It would destroy the integrity of the sport.

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And it was just inconceivable to allow that to happen.
Fast forward... to the last several years. I was the
author in the Senate in 21 and 2023 and in
2025 of the NIL legislation, as well as bringing the
academic reforms that we brought forward through the committee I

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was chairing in Senate Education. And I would say that
I approached that issue in With a heavy heart, you know,
I wanted to control the issue because I wanted Texas
to be an outlier in what I saw coming from
Alabama and other states that I thought was reckless on

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behalf of student athletes. But back to your question. How
is it affecting the landscape? I think first and foremost,
since the Supreme Court ruled years ago that student-athletes should
be compensated from the billions of dollars that these institutions
earn and quite certainly the networks and the money that

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they earn, it's changing the lives of these students that
weren't able to stay in sports, which you and I
both know is life-saving for them. for many of these
students in different ways that poured their hearts into it
for so many years, all the way to our most
elite athletes at the Olympic level that have had to

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sell their gold medals just to pay expenses. And how
could we as Americans even allow that to happen? So
I'm very big on college athletics across the board, men
and women's sports, and I think it's affected... our applications
on the academic side. I think the notoriety has been incredible,

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but if anything, it's just shown what we've always known,
which is Texas tech is where families want to send
their kids for the values and, and the work ethic
and the integrity that we have, what we produce in
a degree of value. And we're going to continue to
advance that.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
What I love is that Texas tech stands for something. Um,
You get the sense that this university knows who and
what it is, and it's unashamed of that. Can you
hang with us for just a moment?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Coming up, we will ask Brandon Creighton, who's a big
guy and a pretty healthy guy, if he were to
play one game for the Texas Tech Raiders this year,
what position would it be? We have all your formal
wear needs, from morning suits to coordinating accessories. Conroe native.
Former Senator Brandon Creighton is now the Chancellor of Texas

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Tech University. A really cool position and a really cool time.
There's a lot of momentum at that school right now.
Mark Lanier gave a lot of money to the law school.
The football team is a top five team at any
given time. They've got the money and the alumni who
care about it. Cody Campbell, John Sellers. Gary Peterson, and others.

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They're attracting great talent at a time where if you're
willing to go out and do that, Indiana proved that.
If you're willing to go out and get talent, then
you can compete. And in the old days, you just
couldn't do that. Mike Leach used to say that when
he played A & M Texas in Oklahoma, he was
playing with 22 players on each side, 11 players on
each side of the ball, 22 players, not one of

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whom had a scholarship offer from the school they were playing.
And often he would beat them And that's just a
tribute to the Pirate. Now they have the opportunity to
compete head-to-head with those teams, dollar for dollar. To me,
that creates a better parity in the sport and more
fun in the sport. I realize not everybody agrees with me.
Brandon Creighton, I'm going to ask you to give me

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the pitch. I took a tour of your great institution.
I saw you the day of the game with Gary Peterson,
who is as big a fan and tour guide as
you could get. He is a homer, as they would say,
for the local team. But tell folks and me a
little bit about your veterinary school, your law school, your

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medical school. The place is on fire, and a lot
of people won't know about that. Your business school?

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, I appreciate the opportunity to do that, Michael. The
veterinary school that you mentioned first, it is– not just
one of the newer veterinary schools in the nation, but
just over the past few years since it launched, it
now has the distinction of having the number one passage

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rates in the state of Texas and number two passage
rates in the nation, only to the state of Washington.
So what our School of Veterinary Medicine has done in
a very short period of time to reach national acclaim
has just been so exciting for the students that it

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started out there.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
You know this already, but in the past, I would
always ask veterinarians where they went to school, and it
was either Texas A & M or Auburn, which is fine,
but we had a shortage of veterinarians driving the cost up.
I think this is going to put veterinarians in smaller communities.
It's going to create more veterinarian specialties into different breeds
and horses and bovine and all of that. I think

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it's good for our state. It's good for the country.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
We absolutely needed it in Texas. We were way behind
on it. A & M had opposed the approval of
of it through the legislature for many years. And for
larger animal care and just the broad care that you're
talking about was so needed across the state.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I know that you were a rancher. Do you still
do any ranching?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yes, yeah. I have a place in Madisonville. I grew
up in, you know, I say Conroe, but it's cut
and shoot right outside Conroe. Most people haven't heard of it.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
What do you have on your ranch?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
On my place, I have gray brahmin cattle. And we
grew up in a family ranching right outside of Conroe
and in southern New Mexico, back and forth, my brothers
and I, running horses. And we also crossbred Santa Gertudis
and Hereford cattle on our New Mexico place. So long,

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long line of producers in my family.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Good for you. So we got the veterinary school that's
doing great. The law school?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
The law school has, four out of the last six years,
won the national championship at the ABA, American Bar Association,
national competitions across the board. Incredible. The bar passage rates
were just released for 2025. Last week, and I believe

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the top of the list for the top performance in
passage rates for the country was Stanford and Duke. I
believe Harvard was number four. Texas Tech was number 13
in the nation. So just an exceptional law school. You
mentioned Mark Lanier. What a great example. I mean, the
attorneys that I've practiced across the table from and on

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the same side of the equation over the years from
Texas Tech, always superior in application. and street smart and
just common sense and their ability to have the highest
level of confidence in the courtroom. Many law schools, as

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you know, teach law students how to be future law professors,
but very few of them teach how to apply what
they're learning. Texas Tech is the top of the list.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Well, and I will say my wife went to University
of Houston Law Center and South Texas College of Law,
long under the leadership of the late, great Gerald Treece,
were also very good at that. And now Tech has
that reputation. I know you went to UT undergrad and
then you went to Oklahoma for law school. Did they
actually give a law degree there? Is it more kind

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of a certificate?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
They give a degree there. Yes, it was Oklahoma City
University there. It's Oklahoma's SMU, their private method of school.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
And yes, they were.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
So you can still go to court. You're still an
officer of the court. Like you could still act like
a lawyer.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I can still act like a lawyer. That's right. And
there's no sooner tied to it.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
I did not realize that. OK, I did not. I
had you down as Oklahoma. You've got nursing. You've got medical.
What else is going on at Texas Tech? Tell me
about those.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Top 10 nursing program in the nation. We have two
different health sciences centers, both in Lubbock and in El Paso,
just leading in rural health care and access to care
across the state. What we offer in medicine is unmatched,
and I would just encourage every student out there that

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has aspirations to be in the medical field. To look
at our nursing school, to look at our health sciences center,
our cancer research and the Fox Cancer Center that's being
constructed now in El Paso. We got the John Wayne
Family Foundation away from Stanford because the Wayne family was
so tired of the typical politics and the typical academic life.

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underperformance of Stanford and just California as a whole. And
out of the entire nation, they chose Texas Tech to
work with for the rest of their time.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
That does not surprise me. His daughter lives in Nashville.
She's a lawyer. You probably know her. and sends me
emails about what I've talked about that day. And I
run around the house saying, I just got an email
from John Wayne's daughter, which is pretty cool. I have
to double back on something. Brandon Creighton is the chancellor
of Texas Tech University, which has a lot of momentum
right now. It's a great institution. If your kids haven't

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thought about it, or if you're listening and I got
to tell you, check out what they're doing. You're going
to be very, very impressed. Did you have you be honest?
Have you called Mark Lanier since he won the big
case against Facebook? Because let's be honest, he needs to
write another check.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
You know, I haven't yet, but it has come up.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
And, you know, he knows he's a tither.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
He's a pastor. He's a tither.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
He knows he needs to write a check.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
He's a wonderful guy, and he's been incredibly supportive, and yes,
we're going to hit him up. So without a doubt,
happy for him on this recent victory in court, many
of those under his belt. And Lanier has been an incredible... Well,
you don't.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Want to ask for too little, though. You know, because
that's the problem with an ask like that. You know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (25:16):
You don't want to let him off. We want to
come in heavy with Mark.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, he needs to come correct. We all saw it.
You're all over national TV. You know, save some back
for the church. You know, that's all good. You got
the big party every year, but you need to give
to the Mark Lanier Law School. More coming up with
Brandon Creighton, including what position he'd like to play. You
are listening to the Michael Berry Show. I'm not trying

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to put Brandon Creighton on the spot because he's just
getting his legs under him as chancellor at Texas Tech University.
But I have to tell you a quick story. A
friend of mine, his son wanted to work with him
in his plumbing business. His son was beginning his junior year.
And he said, Dad, I burned through my whole day.
I know I want to come and work at your

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plumbing company and take it over the way you did
with Dad. You didn't go to college. I don't want
to go to college. Smart kid, but he doesn't see
college as offering him. He's already doing everything he needs
to do to be a licensed plumber and everything that
goes with that. So he said, how about I just
do my online education and get my high school diploma

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and And so my friend, Aggie Plumbers family, he and
his wife, they start looking at ways to do that.
And the best program they found was through Texas Tech,
where Texas Tech actually you go through this some sort
of portal and you do. It's a self self-guided high
school curriculum. And if you take out all the nonsense

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of high school lunch, class changes, hair pulling, being called
to the principal because you're fidgeting, you take everything else out.
And it turns out. that you can get the actual
education portion done, the real transmission of information, engaging in
perspective and analysis in a couple hours a day. And
so that's what he started doing. And he had told

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me at the time they looked around and the best
program in the state was Texas Tech University. I don't
know how much you know about your online education this early.
I'm sure you do. But I got to tell you,
I thought, you know, as you know, you're a former
state senator. universities are funded. I used to be three
quarters from the taxpayer and only one quarter from tuition.

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So they have a responsibility to the people paying the taxes,
not just the students. And I thought, man, that's really
giving something back. That is something to be very proud of.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
The Texas Tech online program is best in class, Michael.
I mean, you're right. When I was chairing education in
the Senate, I was working with 34 four-year institutions and
50 community colleges. And over and over again, from a
peer category review and just from feedback from students and
the public, the Texas Tech online opportunities were great. we're

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always top of the list. So we're going to continue that.
We're going to continue to advance it and grow it forward.
It's obviously, as you mentioned, incredibly important for those that
are developing a trade in a skill. As I did,
I was a pipe fitter in a chemical plant when
I left my family ranch because I wanted to do

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something different. And I did that for a year before
I went to college. But we want all of our
You know, all of our students and adult learners that
are developing new trades and skills also understand that their
aspirations to own a company one day and to have
many employees and to grow the economy, that that could

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be enhanced with credentials from a university like Texas Tech.
And whether it's online or it's on campus, those opportunities,
those strengths that you would develop with what works and
the technical skills, the data literacy, the collaborative efforts, the adaptability,
all of that is included in those services.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, my view has always been that the university should
not stop at the gates of the buildings. They should
sort of bleed into the communities. And I think over
the years, Texas A & M had a great reputation
for that. Their role in the county extension agencies and
and their role with the Texas Transportation Institute and their
role in agricultural research and contributing to our economy. But

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Texas Tech has been very much, and I learned of
this in the last year, at the front of agricultural sciences,
not just for degrees and educations as an incubator for kids,
but contributing to the state. Would you speak to that?
I know that's your background.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yes. I mean, our School of Agriculture is not just
a top program in the state or the country. It's
a top program in the world. I mean, it's revered
by the leaders in agriculture, you know, across any different
discipline and highly acclaimed because of that. So we're very

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proud of Our College of Agriculture, it continues to grow.
As you mentioned earlier, our applications and our enrollment continue
to climb. There's a lot of notoriety with that because
of our excellence in athletics. But really, as an example,

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for our School of Agriculture, it is a top-tier program
that is being sought by the best students in the country.
And it's showing in the results for the research that's
involved there, for the producers and the businesses that are
launched out of it. And, you know, as an example,

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the Bauma family that developed them, the milk and dairy
programs across the country that are now in all the
HUBs in America, and they partner with Coca-Cola, and they
own Core Milk and all of these different products. I mean,
that was an example of now a family office that's

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valued in the billions that launched right out of just
being students at Texas Tech College of Agriculture. So thank
you for asking about it.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Well, let's double back. Texas Tech Chancellor Brandon Creighton, former
state senator originally from Conroe, cut and shoot, now leading
an institution with a lot of wind behind its sails.
So you get to play or have to play, however
you want to look at it, one game at what
position for your Red Raiders next year? What would that be?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Oh, man, that's a great question. In football, I would
say defensive back, you know, safety, just because I try
to be a nice guy every day, even though I'm
determined and accomplished. But I'd love to hit somebody on
the field, even though I'm 55. And you could ask
me the team that I'd like to play against. If

(32:11):
it was in basketball, I'd be the number two position,
the shooting guard. That Atwell on our basketball team was
so accomplished at, he's graduating and leaving us. But defensive
back in football or a number two position shooting guard
in basketball, I'd love either opportunity for a second that

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the coaches might let me out there before they yank
me from the game.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Well, you know, I think that you are uniquely suited
to be the chancellor of of that school. And you
are at a time where they have such momentum and
it is so exciting to see tech alumni. Now, when
I mention the good things that are going on at
Texas Tech, tech alumni will will reach out to me.

(32:59):
And there's so many people who are tech alumni that
I did not realize before. And and very proudly so
and been involved for for a long time. It's exciting
to see. You know, I think Texas Tech, I think
Texas A & M is at a moment of reckoning
where they're trying to decide, do they still want to
be the Earl Rudder kind of Texas A & M?

(33:23):
That George Patton bragged on, or do they want to
be Berkeley in College Station? And I think they have
to decide that. I think under their new leadership, the
University of Texas has restored some degree of sanity. And
I know the alumni are happy to see that. But
Texas Tech deserves it. And for every parent out there

(33:43):
looking at universities, make sure this is a university you
look at because whatever you've thought of tech in the past,
these are exciting times for this institution. Brandon Creighton, thanks
for making an hour for.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Us, buddy. And thank you, Michael. It's always great to
be on with you, and we'll get back together soon
for updates. God bless you, brother. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Ramon, would you like to make a donation to the university?
You've got two kids coming up, you know. It's never
too early to start thinking about that. July and Oliver,
they're going to have to get in somewhere. That's a
good school. And, you know, you can fly direct now
to Lubbock. You can fly to Lubbock faster than you
can drive to Austin. That's the kind of things you've

(34:22):
got to think about. You know what I'm saying? Lubbock's
a nice place.