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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and loud Michael
Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
What we've got here is failure, Milky.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Most of the people covering that campaign were not particularly
knowledgeable about the past and didn't you know, may may
not have even known that. You know, America firsters pac
Madison Square Garden in nineteen thirty nine and a pro
Nazi Germany rally.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
You said over the weekend referring to it, there's a
direct parallel to a big rally that.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Happened in the mid nineteen thirties, that Madison Square Garden.
So I know what I saw, and I'll just leave
it at that. Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I do, Yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
The races, sex, is homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Only garbage I see floating down there is just supporters
is his demonizational scene is unconstable and America.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You could put half of Trump's supporters into what I
call the basket of deplorables.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
You know, that's a little bit old, that chart, that
charts a couple of months old.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And if you want to really see.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Something, that said, take a look at what happened. We
bleed the same blood, we share the same home, and
we salute the same great American flag. We are one people,
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one family, and one glorious nation under God. So Jews
and Muslims and Catholics and Evangelicals and Mormons, and they're
all joining our colors and large numbers larger than anyone
has ever seen in this country before, larger than they've ever.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Seen in any country.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
And the Republican Party has really become the Party of inclusion.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And that's something very nice about that.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Giver go on vacation, and if you don't take your
dog with you, they kind of they get antsy because
they remember that when the suitcases come out, they're going
to be left either in a kennel or somebody taking
care of them, or dropped off at your cousin or whatever.
(02:28):
Buying large dogs live in the moment, and it's always
funny with little kids. Before they can really communicate and process,
they don't realize that we're about to be on an
eighteen hour road trip, right They're just living in the moment.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I try not to just live in the moment.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Without processing the fact that, hey, this is Groundhog Day.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I've done the same thing every day, so I know that.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Right now we're focused on Lindsey Graham, and he's a
great man.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And he look what he did.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
He stood up for Brett Kavanav, for his peers, his buddies,
his pals.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
This was hard, I keep hearing.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
This was hard for him to criticize those Democrats because,
as he said, those were his friends. Well, that's a
problem to me, because he and his friends are destroying
this country. I know, I know, let's let's not criticize someone.
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It hurts the family's feelings, it's not nice to them.
I mean, we can criticize Hitler the day he died,
or Jeffrey Dahmer maybe, or the Ayatola or you know,
we celebrated the the Irani general who was headed the guard,
you know when when the president blew him up and
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all you had was a hand there and Trump, you know, celebrated.
We did that with with Osama ban in love. But
let's let's let's not do that toward other people. Well,
I don't understand how we went from Lindsey Grahamnesty is
the worst thing ever and he fantasizes over his fetish
of war, to now all of a sudden, he's a
(04:13):
great guy.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I mean, if that's how you feel, fine. I don't think.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
People come to our show to reaffirm what they already believe.
I think people come to our show to at least
explore an idea that might not have come to them naturally.
It's why we don't break news. We comment on the
news once it's happened. I find it odd. I find
it disturbing. So when Lindsey Graham called Donald Trump's xenophobic
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or a race bater or a religious bigot, when he
said he doesn't represent the GOP, when he called Trump
a jackass, when he called Trump a kook, when he
called him crazy, when he said he's unfit for office,
was that just at that moment and we're okay tomorrow, okay, Well,
(05:09):
here's what I don't understand if that's how we feel
about this. If it's like, you know, you know that
a criminal defense attorney, when he represents a murderer, he
doesn't believe that guy's innocent.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
He's paid to tell you he's not.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
And so is that what you're telling me, that, Lindsey Graham,
that none of these people mean what they say when
they say it. It's just that's you know, that's that's
the client they got today. Well, then maybe we should
never take them seriously. But I know that Ted Kennedy
was a dirty dog, and when he died, the Republicans
were telling me how great he was. There are people
running around telling you that Chay Guavara was a great man.
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He was a murder. He was an awful monster. They
lionized Mao Zedong in China. Do you know how many
million Chinese peasant farmers were massacred in his name? They
told us that John McCain look at the bipartisan Only
Trump wasn't at McCain's funeral. He sent John Bolton, who
since pled guilty to selling American secrets. That's who Trump
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sent as his emissary.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
How about LBJ. We were told what a great man
he was.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
He's the one who said we'll have the n words
voting democrat for one hundred years because of this Civil
Rights Act that set our country back.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
What are we doing here? If that's what you want to.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Do, fine, You know I studied this whole idea that
there's a Latin proverb that says, de mortweets Neil niss
Bonham of the dead say nothing but good okay, really, well,
then what about the other guys like Lindsey Grimm. Can
I criticize Mitch McConnell today for the all the awful
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things that he's done? Can I criticize Mitch McConnell today
for that? Well, what about tomorrow? If they admit that
he's dead today and then tomorrow they tell us he's
dead because now the Republicans can win that seat. I
can't criticize him tomorrow just today. He didn't change in
those twenty four day just his body temperature. Can I
criticize John Cornyan, who we just voted out in the
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Republican primary, who then said that he's practically going to
help the Democrats, who said he wanted a Trump Highway
until he didn't win the primary.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Now he says Trump's a trouble character. When is it
okay to criticize.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Lindsey Graham for the warmonger and the awful things he
did in twenty four years in the sin Let me.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Know the ern with Michael Berry.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Oh, I'm in.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Gif with Ice in the news and yet again with
another shooting. Someone who attacked an ICE agent is the
story in Maine?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
And who was shot? And I believe killed there. Luisa
Deeson is our guest. He's a former investigative reporter in
morning news anchor at Telemundo in Houston.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
She's from Mexico City.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
She's just written and published a book called A Reporter's
Journey Inside Media DHS and ICE.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Luisa, welcome to the program.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
How are you good?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
If I were to say to someone why to read
your book, what are they going to learn in this
book that they're not already.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Going to know?
Speaker 5 (08:19):
I think what they'll do it is it's going to
open people's eyes is to what the media, propaganda and
the machine that is churning out the misinformation and the
fact that in many cases we see incidents where reporters
are not doing factual investigation like we did in the past.
You accept, but the problem is that we believe everything
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that we read on social media. And of course, the
first thing reporters may do if they're being irresponsible is
not verify both sides of the story. They're just going
to air their opinion and whatever their rhetoric is or
whatever they're being told they need to say on the
air and that's really misinformation that is causing a lot
of harm within the communities.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
How much pressure did you feel at Telemundo to make
sure that the story was one way or another with
something of a slant that might appeal to the audience
or the higher ups or the narrative of a political party.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I didn't really feel that back then. We had to
tell the truth and we had to give the facts
on both sides. We never gave our opinion, and we
were told that this would be the angle that we
would cover. But there was times when I could say, well,
that's really not the angle now that I'm out on seen,
I'm doing the story. So what I see today, and
a prime example of it is having worked for both
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I INS and ICE also as a public affairs officer
alongside of what I did with Telemundo, is I see
stories air about imtegration issues and not all of them
are factual. A lot of them are propaganda or just
stealing this negative rhetoric without any factual information being disseminated out.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
How did you end up being born or raised in
Mexico City.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
What was the connection there?
Speaker 5 (10:06):
My mother's American, My father was born and raised in
Mexico City, and my sister and I were born and
raised in Mexico City, but we got here legally in
nineteen seventy nine. I was twelve when I arrived my mother. Yes,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
If you used the phrase some of my friends from
the Fay doing some don't. Well.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I am a Mexican American and of course now living
here we are. We make up about forty nine percent
of the vote, so it's important that we.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Get the word go to the World Cup in Mexico City.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
I did not. I did not.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Do you visit Mexico City often? Do you saw relatives there?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I have tons of relatives there. I haven't been there
in probably seven years. It's been a while, but my
father died about ten years ago, and unfortunately when we
would go more often, he was with us when he
was alive.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
So when you see, you know, we had the shooting
here in Houston, and the investigation is not complete where
the individual was shot by eyes, and nobody wants to
see that. I don't think anybody's cheering for that. The
question becomes, when you carry out these missions, is there
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going Are there going to be cases like this? And
I think with resistance and and everything else you are
going to get some number of these cases. What did
you think about the media coverage of this, which has
been I would argue pretty slanted, and the community activism
surrounding it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Based on your experience doing this.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Well, based on my own knowledge and experience, I can
tell you that what's happened is we've never seen a
news story cycle that for it's seventh or eighth day.
Number one. The rhetoric is incorrect, this feeling and blaming
the ICE agent to fire at his weapon. Hopefully we'll
find out soon with the FBI conclude, but people are
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jumping to conclusions. Local leadership, the Democratic Party that's spewing
these lies and not waiting for the actual federal investigation
to conclude, is just creating this environment of anger amongst
the communities. And if you look back towards you know
what we've seen in the past both times President Trump
has been in office, there have been many other shootings
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in of the Obama administration with ICE agents. And the
fact of the matter is the rhetoric needs to stop.
It's inciting violence. But you have to take in the
mind and keep in mind that what's happening and what
we're seeing today is we're seeing rhetoric that is hateful
these individuals that come in and legally or coached by
cartels or coached by the NGOs that are bringing them
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in there, coach by you know, many of the grass
road organizations that defend them, to come back, to fight,
to not open the door, to try to run them over,
to be violent, to push back, and so this is
what this creates. And you know, I know a lot
of the ICE agents that work in the Houston area,
and unfortunately, you know, I think they're very professional in
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what they do, but they're under about eight thousand percent
increases in death threats and of course about a thirteen
hundred percent increase in just the violence against them. And
when you look at the numbers of apprehensions they have.
I'm not trying to minimize the death that was tragic,
but it was one hundred percent preventable. And when you
look at the number of apprehensions that, what I can
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tell you is a lot of these groups that are
inciting these marches are groups that are propaganda that are
insightful to defending the criminal alien and not the rule
of law.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I think you're absolutely right and they are well funded
and well organized people.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't think could.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I think people would be shocked to realize how effectively
and strategically the logistics behind the reaction to these things.
It's as if they're is a swarm waiting for something
like this to happen. And and then there's the whole package.
You know, it's sort of like, you know, an all
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inclusive resort. Everything's taken care of you. It's like this,
this whole protest and the media and everything. The package
is just laid out and you just hit send, and
here it is. Here's what the media gets, Here's what
the activist gets. Here's how you organize your people, Here's
where you put them, here's the cash to be handed
off is. I find it to be extraordinarily disingenuous. It's
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not grassroots at all. It's not authentic, and I find
that very very frustrating. I got a few seconds before
we go to break, and then I'd like to keep
you on. Luisa Deson is our guest. The book actually
launches today on Amazon. You can buy it it is
It is entitled. It is entitled A Reporter, A Reporter's
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Journey Inside Media, DHS and Ice. Her name is Luisa
Desent d A S O N. I think I got
my clock wrong. I have a few more seconds, Luisa,
Can you hold with us for just a moment?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Sure? All right?
Speaker 4 (15:08):
And if you have a question that you would like
to ask Luisa, you can send that in by email
through the website Michael Berryshow dot com Michael at Michael
Berryshow dot com. I am, I am mindful. Folks that
you know Rico Mastriani who worked with us at Arcisi.
His son has gone min to Border. I mean, these
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are real people with a real job to do. Our
guest is Luisa Dison. She has an interesting perspective because
she worked at Telemundo as an investigative reporter and an anchor.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
She has also worked at ICE and I N S.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
She has written a book about the experience that actually
dropped today. Luisa, from your perspective and from your experience,
how would you say ICE is handling and the Trump administration?
But how would you say ICE especially is handling the
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negative publicity that's being.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Thrown at them? Should they be more Well, I'll leave
it there.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Well, I can tell you they're not happy about the
publicity because they're being called Nazis and fascists and all
kinds of things. Even the leftist saying that, and all
these people that support criminal aliens in this country support
the fact that you know, they they're saying that they
don't have the authorization to do what they're doing, and
they absolutely, one hundred percent and equivocally have the authorization
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to do what they're doing. Their job is to protect
the interior enforcement of this country national security, make sure
that any illegal alien they encounter is deported. I know
the priority at the beginning was probably the worst of
the worst, but you know that doesn't stop the fact
that if you are here in this country illegally, it
is a Title eight, Section thirteen twenty violations, it is
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a crime, and it renders you deportable. What's happening is
that the left has tried to blur the lines and
erase that legislation, and those statutes have been on the
books for forty years, and so there is better morale
today under President Trump's administration there was amongst them when
they were under the Biden administration. Because imagine being a
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seasoned and a careered law enforcement officer in the federal government.
For whether it's CBP border patrol, whether it's ice, HSI,
whatever the entity may be, to be stripped of your
rights to be able to do your job and do
it effectively. So, yes, the morale is much much better
now that we wouldn't have to be having these mass
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deportations of these maths sort of round up, so to speak,
if we hadn't had Biden to create the mess that
he created.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's interesting because it feels like they're on the losing
end of the public discussion. And I have felt for
years that generally it is the case that law enforcement
does a horrible job with this, and I think part
of that is because they feel righteous in their mission
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and thank God, because I don't want to go out
and do what they're doing. This is a dangerous job.
It's a thankless job. Nobody says, oh, way to go.
You know, everybody understands why they're doing this. We could
stop them doing this, we could change the law. But
everyone wants this done. But they want somebody else to
pick up the trash, not the rest of us. But
it feels like when they come under attack, they lock
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down and hide. And I've told people this for years.
There are times when you need to engage and you
need to shout from the rooftops. And this is where
I think Trump is particularly good, is that he takes
on issues like this and he says what people won't say,
and he defends himself and he gets the public back.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
On his side.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
And it just feels like you having been inside that
I don't know if you agree, but it feels like
they don't want to engage and when that happens, the
narrative gets painted by someone else well.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
And I have to agree, I think that there is
a lot more that can be said. I think a
lot of it is being controlled coming out of the
White House. Of course, you know Tom Holman is no
longer the acting director of ICE. He is now the
borders are so he is a White House person, And
of course I think the rhetoric needs to change. I
think ices needs to go out and defend themselves. But
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I think based on the situation that we're living at
this very moment, you know, they're not going to speak
about an open investigation the FBI as a lead. And
you know a lot of times I stand up and
I will correct their rhetoric. And I spend a lot
of time doing radio interviews and things of that nature,
just to defend them because now they're not perfect, but
you know what, they're hard workers and they are being
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dragged through the dirt by the left and by those
that don't agree that there is a law. And the
unfortunate thing is, you know, at what point do people
recognize that it's not just ICE that's out there, it's
atf it's the EA, it's FBI. They're all working in
conjunction with many of these ongoing investigations that they conduct.
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And the problem is the rhetoric is just a hatred
towards ICE. It's incredibly frustrating. But I think, you know,
there are there should be more coming out of ICE,
depending on the local But you know, I don't know.
I'm not there. I don't know what the communications directives
are coming out of those particular district offices.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Well, I look.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
At Trump's one of Trump's great skills. You know, Reagan
is known as a great communicator. He was a great
speech giver, that's true, but in terms of messaging strategy,
there's no one in my lifetime better than Trump, and
it's not even close.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
And I think of.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
How effectively he takes up issues and then advances and
and and advocates for that issue, and it feels like
this very important depart. It feels like they're they're letting
this thing turn the wrong direction, and the left is
staying on top of it, and it feels like we're
making this into another George Floyd situation. And a lot
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of a lot of sort of casual observers of the
news are going to see this steady drum beat, and
it's amazing how that can change public opinion. You mentioned
Tom Holman. I think Tom Holman litigates these cases better
on CNN and MSNBC better than anyone. And I think
his voice, in his tone is much more of what
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is needed now. So it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting
to see. I want to go back to your book.
Through the end of the segment, A Reporter's Journey Inside
Media DHS and ice By, we said, Decent, what do
you want people to take away from this? You know,
you've had many years of experience doing this.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
What do you want people to know that they didn't
already know?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I want people to open up their eyes and to
be resourceful enough to look at stories from different angles,
different resources, you know, ask more questions don't just take
everything at face value and don't believe everything that the
left is telling you, especially some of these fear mongering
reporters that are on CNN and other stations that don't
get the story accurately, that it's always slanted, and that
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you need to open up your eyes and be an
individual and do your own homework. You know, reporters in
some instances, not everybody. There's still a couple of very
professionals out there, such as yourself. But the thing is
that you just can't rely on one source of information.
You've got to rely on doing your own research and homework.
It'll open up your eyes. I've seen it. I've dealt
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with cases where reporters say one thing, and of course,
you know, an entirely different thing is that what's actually happened.
And we're going to see what comes out of this
investigation with the FBI, and I think people's eyes will
open up and realize that the fear mongering organizations that
are out there, they're like paid agitators. You know, don't
believe everything you see in here. You need to do
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your own homework.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
They are you know, nobody is surprised that a murder
an accused murderer's lawyer tells you he's a saint. You
understand he's paid to advocate on behalf of that guy
and make these arguments. He doesn't believe it, and I
think that's the important thing to understand that these people
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are paid to do a job.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
The book is a reporter's.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Journey inside Media, DHS and ICE by Luisa Deson. It
hits today. You can find it on Amazon or on
her site. Thanks for being with Uslisa. If you travel
to some countries, many countries and business owners are honest
with you. They'll tell you that they cheat on their taxes.
(24:03):
In most countries around the world, there is the idea
that the government is corrupt and so you just cheat
all you can. And unfortunately, people who were raised in
that culture when they come to this country, there is
no sense of, well, that's shameful to cheat. There is
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the sense that you're weak if you don't. At a
real estate company in the nineties, and I remember, we'd
be doing deals and if I was representing a seller
on a deal, and we'd get to the closing table
and the buyer would say they need to pay for this,
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this and this, and I would say no, no, no, no, no,
that wasn't the deal. I represented you, I negotiated the deal.
It's all in writing. Now that's what we're going to do.
We're going to walk awa where they gonna to walk away?
How can you live with yourself like that? That's not
an American ideal. And these people weren't from America. They
were from a Middle Eastern country. And it became clear
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to me that it was considered weak to do the
right thing. There's a case. There's a guy named Wayne Dolchafino.
He's an investigative reporter. He now works independently and out
of Houston. And here there's a town called Corpus Christi
south of Houston, and it's it's on the Bay there,
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and there are these two Indian guys who Doltravino's report
alleges that they've bought off the city council and the
mayor and and different people. And and I'm probably not
getting the story right, but the two guys are Indian,
and so there seems to be at least among these
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two guys, my wife's from India, there seems to be
a sense, at least that's the allegation that these guys
are just buying people's votes.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And I've seen this.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I have seen some Indian business owners who've come to
the unit of the United States or Pakistani who seem
to have the sense that everyone's for sale, and it
feels like it's a higher number of people, a higher
percentage of people than amongst your average American business owner.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Maybe it's not true.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Maybe I'm more sensitive to it because I want Indians
to do the right thing so that they look good
to other Americans because my wife's in it.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Maybe that's why some blacks are really hard on other blasts,
as they say, you fool, if you look bad, you
make me look bad. White people don't really think of
it that way. But there does seem to be a
sense of the Somalis who come here in a large percentage,
obviously not one hundred percent. Now, I don't ever want
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to say that because someone is from a country, they're
a bad person, even if ninety nine percent of them are,
because it's not fair to that person. I wouldn't want
you saying that about me. But I will say and
I understand that this is not the sorts of things
you're supposed to say that. It sure does seem like
there's a lot of Somali fraud.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
So a man who was a part of Minnesota's two
hundred and fifty million dollars fraud scheme, which was called
Feeding our Future. Oh, it's always for the nicest things.
We're going to take care of the poor people and
the hungry people and the disadvance, and it's always a fraud.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Always.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
So this guy who was part of this two hundred
fifty million dollars scheme has been added to the FBI's
Most Wanted Fraudsters list, and we're not looking for him
in the United States.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Let's be clear.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Fahad Mohammed Nir, we didn't have any Fahaed Mohammed Nur's
in my high school. Was charged in twenty twenty two
with wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering,
and federal prosecutors say he received more than five million
dollars in fraudulent federal funds that was supposed to feed
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children who were hungry. And where is he today, Well,
we don't know. He fled to the United States in
January in twenty twenty two when they were on him,
and they believe he's living in you'll never guess Somalia. Yeah, so,
if they're right, there's a guy living probably as a warlord,
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as a rich Somali in Somalia, who made his money
in the United States off taxpayer dollars, to the harm
of both the taxpayer and the children who supposedly need
to be fed.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You got to wonder.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
You know, you had the daycare fraud in Mogadishu, Minnesota,
where you had these Somalis who were setting up these
daycares and they were getting all these federal funds to
take care of children during the day and supposedly it
was Somali kids they were taken care of. Well, here's
what's odd about that. The Somali women who come here,
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by and large don't work outside the home. They have
traditional Muslim paternal roles where the mom stays home, the
dad goes out and commits fraud or whatever he does,
but the mom stays home. So why are we subsidizing
(29:49):
daycare for people whose mom is staying at home. Well
there's these immigrants. Well, these immigrant communities gotten very sophisticated.
They deliver the votes. I used to go to Indian
business events when I was running for office, and when
I was in office, and I would be the only
Republican there and Sheila Jackson Lee would be at every event,
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and she was largely supported by Indian politicians.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Well, I don't mind tell you. I think Sheila Jackson
Lee was a fraud.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I think Sheila Jackson Lee was probably conducting illegal operations.
That's my suspicion. I can't prove it. It's a sneaking,
supicion suspicion. I don't say it lightly. I think that
she I know that she was taking money from and
closely associating with people from foreign countries who ended up
(30:44):
fleeing this country, owing a lot of money in taxes
and fines and fees, and under investigation.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I could name their names if you wanted them.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
And I think there is more of this going on
than the average person knows because you don't know this
Somali man engaged in his behavior but for the fact
that he made it on a list that was then
covered by CBS News that I then read, you don't
know what's going on in Mogadishu, Minnesota, and neither do
(31:16):
I unless it is exposed. Guess who didn't expose it?
The State government that received the federal funds and handed
it to the frauds. Well, part of their responsibility as
a state government when they receive these federal block grants
is to do the job of accountability, to do the
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job of reviewing their finances, reviewing are they delivering the service? Well,
how many people haven't heard of the leering Center? What
were they leering at the leering center? We found this
with home health care. We found it with children.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So we have all.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
These billions of your tax dollars going to help the
children or the old people.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Are the sick or the hungry or the dying? Was
it really doing funding fraudsters?
Speaker 4 (32:11):
And the Democrats know it because the fraudsters deliver the
votes and the dollars to the Democrats to keep them
in power.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's like the mafia.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
It's an underground economy of circularity that they all benefit from.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And if you dare call it
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Out, they claim you're xenophobic and racist, call me whatever
you want, You're a fraud and a hit dog squeals first,
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and loud Michael
Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
What we've got here is failure, Milky.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Most of the people covering that campaign were not particularly
knowledgeable about the past and didn't you know, may may
not have even known that. You know, America firsters pac
Madison Square Garden in nineteen thirty nine and a pro
Nazi Germany rally.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
You said over the weekend referring to it, there's a
direct parallel to a big rally that.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Happened in the mid nineteen thirties, that Madison Square Garden.
So I know what I saw, and I'll just leave
it at that. Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I do, Yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
The races, sex, is homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Only garbage I see floating down there is just supporters
is his demonizational scene is unconstable and America.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You could put half of Trump's supporters into what I
call the basket of deplorables.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
You know, that's a little bit old, that chart, that
charts a couple of months old.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And if you want to really see.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Something, that said, take a look at what happened. We
bleed the same blood, we share the same home, and
we salute the same great American flag. We are one people,
(01:39):
one family, and one glorious nation under God. So Jews
and Muslims and Catholics and Evangelicals and Mormons, and they're
all joining our colors and large numbers larger than anyone
has ever seen in this country before, larger than they've ever.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Seen in any country.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
And the Republican Party has really become the Party of inclusion.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And that's something very nice about that.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Giver go on vacation, and if you don't take your
dog with you, they kind of they get antsy because
they remember that when the suitcases come out, they're going
to be left either in a kennel or somebody taking
care of them, or dropped off at your cousin or whatever.
(02:28):
Buying large dogs live in the moment, and it's always
funny with little kids. Before they can really communicate and process,
they don't realize that we're about to be on an
eighteen hour road trip, right They're just living in the moment.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I try not to just live in the moment.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Without processing the fact that, hey, this is Groundhog Day.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I've done the same thing every day, so I know that.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Right now we're focused on Lindsey Graham, and he's a
great man.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
And he look what he did.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
He stood up for Brett Kavanav, for his peers, his buddies,
his pals.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
This was hard, I keep hearing.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
This was hard for him to criticize those Democrats because,
as he said, those were his friends. Well, that's a
problem to me, because he and his friends are destroying
this country. I know, I know, let's let's not criticize someone.
(03:30):
It hurts the family's feelings, it's not nice to them.
I mean, we can criticize Hitler the day he died,
or Jeffrey Dahmer maybe, or the Ayatola or you know,
we celebrated the the Irani general who was headed the guard,
you know when when the president blew him up and
(03:51):
all you had was a hand there and Trump, you know, celebrated.
We did that with with Osama ban in love. But
let's let's let's not do that toward other people. Well,
I don't understand how we went from Lindsey Grahamnesty is
the worst thing ever and he fantasizes over his fetish
of war, to now all of a sudden, he's a
(04:13):
great guy.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I mean, if that's how you feel, fine. I don't think.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
People come to our show to reaffirm what they already believe.
I think people come to our show to at least
explore an idea that might not have come to them naturally.
It's why we don't break news. We comment on the
news once it's happened. I find it odd. I find
it disturbing. So when Lindsey Graham called Donald Trump's xenophobic
(04:45):
or a race bater or a religious bigot, when he
said he doesn't represent the GOP, when he called Trump
a jackass, when he called Trump a kook, when he
called him crazy, when he said he's unfit for office,
was that just at that moment and we're okay tomorrow, okay, Well,
(05:09):
here's what I don't understand if that's how we feel
about this. If it's like, you know, you know that
a criminal defense attorney, when he represents a murderer, he
doesn't believe that guy's innocent.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
He's paid to tell you he's not.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
And so is that what you're telling me, that, Lindsey Graham,
that none of these people mean what they say when
they say it. It's just that's you know, that's that's
the client they got today. Well, then maybe we should
never take them seriously. But I know that Ted Kennedy
was a dirty dog, and when he died, the Republicans
were telling me how great he was. There are people
running around telling you that Chay Guavara was a great man.
(05:43):
He was a murder. He was an awful monster. They
lionized Mao Zedong in China. Do you know how many
million Chinese peasant farmers were massacred in his name? They
told us that John McCain look at the bipartisan Only
Trump wasn't at McCain's funeral. He sent John Bolton, who
since pled guilty to selling American secrets. That's who Trump
(06:05):
sent as his emissary.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
How about LBJ. We were told what a great man
he was.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
He's the one who said we'll have the n words
voting democrat for one hundred years because of this Civil
Rights Act that set our country back.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
What are we doing here? If that's what you want to.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Do, fine, You know I studied this whole idea that
there's a Latin proverb that says, de mortweets Neil niss
Bonham of the dead say nothing but good okay, really, well,
then what about the other guys like Lindsey Grimm. Can
I criticize Mitch McConnell today for the all the awful
(06:46):
things that he's done? Can I criticize Mitch McConnell today
for that? Well, what about tomorrow? If they admit that
he's dead today and then tomorrow they tell us he's
dead because now the Republicans can win that seat. I
can't criticize him tomorrow just today. He didn't change in
those twenty four day just his body temperature. Can I
criticize John Cornyan, who we just voted out in the
(07:08):
Republican primary, who then said that he's practically going to
help the Democrats, who said he wanted a Trump Highway
until he didn't win the primary.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Now he says Trump's a trouble character. When is it
okay to criticize.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Lindsey Graham for the warmonger and the awful things he
did in twenty four years in the sin Let me.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Know the ern with Michael Berry.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Oh, I'm in.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Gif with Ice in the news and yet again with
another shooting. Someone who attacked an ICE agent is the
story in Maine?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
And who was shot? And I believe killed there. Luisa
Deeson is our guest. He's a former investigative reporter in
morning news anchor at Telemundo in Houston.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
She's from Mexico City.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
She's just written and published a book called A Reporter's
Journey Inside Media DHS and ICE.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Luisa, welcome to the program.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
How are you good?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
If I were to say to someone why to read
your book, what are they going to learn in this
book that they're not already.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Going to know?
Speaker 5 (08:19):
I think what they'll do it is it's going to
open people's eyes is to what the media, propaganda and
the machine that is churning out the misinformation and the
fact that in many cases we see incidents where reporters
are not doing factual investigation like we did in the past.
You accept, but the problem is that we believe everything
(08:41):
that we read on social media. And of course, the
first thing reporters may do if they're being irresponsible is
not verify both sides of the story. They're just going
to air their opinion and whatever their rhetoric is or
whatever they're being told they need to say on the
air and that's really misinformation that is causing a lot
of harm within the communities.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
How much pressure did you feel at Telemundo to make
sure that the story was one way or another with
something of a slant that might appeal to the audience
or the higher ups or the narrative of a political party.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I didn't really feel that back then. We had to
tell the truth and we had to give the facts
on both sides. We never gave our opinion, and we
were told that this would be the angle that we
would cover. But there was times when I could say, well,
that's really not the angle now that I'm out on seen,
I'm doing the story. So what I see today, and
a prime example of it is having worked for both
(09:38):
I INS and ICE also as a public affairs officer
alongside of what I did with Telemundo, is I see
stories air about imtegration issues and not all of them
are factual. A lot of them are propaganda or just
stealing this negative rhetoric without any factual information being disseminated out.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
How did you end up being born or raised in
Mexico City.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
What was the connection there?
Speaker 5 (10:06):
My mother's American, My father was born and raised in
Mexico City, and my sister and I were born and
raised in Mexico City, but we got here legally in
nineteen seventy nine. I was twelve when I arrived my mother. Yes,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
If you used the phrase some of my friends from
the Fay doing some don't. Well.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I am a Mexican American and of course now living
here we are. We make up about forty nine percent
of the vote, so it's important that we.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Get the word go to the World Cup in Mexico City.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
I did not. I did not.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Do you visit Mexico City often? Do you saw relatives there?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
I have tons of relatives there. I haven't been there
in probably seven years. It's been a while, but my
father died about ten years ago, and unfortunately when we
would go more often, he was with us when he
was alive.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
So when you see, you know, we had the shooting
here in Houston, and the investigation is not complete where
the individual was shot by eyes, and nobody wants to
see that. I don't think anybody's cheering for that. The
question becomes, when you carry out these missions, is there
(11:18):
going Are there going to be cases like this? And
I think with resistance and and everything else you are
going to get some number of these cases. What did
you think about the media coverage of this, which has
been I would argue pretty slanted, and the community activism
surrounding it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Based on your experience doing this.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Well, based on my own knowledge and experience, I can
tell you that what's happened is we've never seen a
news story cycle that for it's seventh or eighth day.
Number one. The rhetoric is incorrect, this feeling and blaming
the ICE agent to fire at his weapon. Hopefully we'll
find out soon with the FBI conclude, but people are
(12:01):
jumping to conclusions. Local leadership, the Democratic Party that's spewing
these lies and not waiting for the actual federal investigation
to conclude, is just creating this environment of anger amongst
the communities. And if you look back towards you know
what we've seen in the past both times President Trump
has been in office, there have been many other shootings
(12:22):
in of the Obama administration with ICE agents. And the
fact of the matter is the rhetoric needs to stop.
It's inciting violence. But you have to take in the
mind and keep in mind that what's happening and what
we're seeing today is we're seeing rhetoric that is hateful
these individuals that come in and legally or coached by
cartels or coached by the NGOs that are bringing them
(12:44):
in there, coach by you know, many of the grass
road organizations that defend them, to come back, to fight,
to not open the door, to try to run them over,
to be violent, to push back, and so this is
what this creates. And you know, I know a lot
of the ICE agents that work in the Houston area,
and unfortunately, you know, I think they're very professional in
(13:07):
what they do, but they're under about eight thousand percent
increases in death threats and of course about a thirteen
hundred percent increase in just the violence against them. And
when you look at the numbers of apprehensions they have.
I'm not trying to minimize the death that was tragic,
but it was one hundred percent preventable. And when you
look at the number of apprehensions that, what I can
(13:28):
tell you is a lot of these groups that are
inciting these marches are groups that are propaganda that are
insightful to defending the criminal alien and not the rule
of law.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I think you're absolutely right and they are well funded
and well organized people.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't think could.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I think people would be shocked to realize how effectively
and strategically the logistics behind the reaction to these things.
It's as if they're is a swarm waiting for something
like this to happen. And and then there's the whole package.
You know, it's sort of like, you know, an all
(14:11):
inclusive resort. Everything's taken care of you. It's like this,
this whole protest and the media and everything. The package
is just laid out and you just hit send, and
here it is. Here's what the media gets, Here's what
the activist gets. Here's how you organize your people, Here's
where you put them, here's the cash to be handed
off is. I find it to be extraordinarily disingenuous. It's
(14:31):
not grassroots at all. It's not authentic, and I find
that very very frustrating. I got a few seconds before
we go to break, and then I'd like to keep
you on. Luisa Deson is our guest. The book actually
launches today on Amazon. You can buy it it is
It is entitled. It is entitled A Reporter, A Reporter's
(14:54):
Journey Inside Media, DHS and Ice. Her name is Luisa
Desent d A S O N. I think I got
my clock wrong. I have a few more seconds, Luisa,
Can you hold with us for just a moment?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Sure? All right?
Speaker 4 (15:08):
And if you have a question that you would like
to ask Luisa, you can send that in by email
through the website Michael Berryshow dot com Michael at Michael
Berryshow dot com. I am, I am mindful. Folks that
you know Rico Mastriani who worked with us at Arcisi.
His son has gone min to Border. I mean, these
(15:31):
are real people with a real job to do. Our
guest is Luisa Dison. She has an interesting perspective because
she worked at Telemundo as an investigative reporter and an anchor.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
She has also worked at ICE and I N S.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
She has written a book about the experience that actually
dropped today. Luisa, from your perspective and from your experience,
how would you say ICE is handling and the Trump administration?
But how would you say ICE especially is handling the
(16:11):
negative publicity that's being.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Thrown at them? Should they be more Well, I'll leave
it there.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Well, I can tell you they're not happy about the
publicity because they're being called Nazis and fascists and all
kinds of things. Even the leftist saying that, and all
these people that support criminal aliens in this country support
the fact that you know, they they're saying that they
don't have the authorization to do what they're doing, and
they absolutely, one hundred percent and equivocally have the authorization
(16:40):
to do what they're doing. Their job is to protect
the interior enforcement of this country national security, make sure
that any illegal alien they encounter is deported. I know
the priority at the beginning was probably the worst of
the worst, but you know that doesn't stop the fact
that if you are here in this country illegally, it
is a Title eight, Section thirteen twenty violations, it is
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a crime, and it renders you deportable. What's happening is
that the left has tried to blur the lines and
erase that legislation, and those statutes have been on the
books for forty years, and so there is better morale
today under President Trump's administration there was amongst them when
they were under the Biden administration. Because imagine being a
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seasoned and a careered law enforcement officer in the federal government.
For whether it's CBP border patrol, whether it's ice, HSI,
whatever the entity may be, to be stripped of your
rights to be able to do your job and do
it effectively. So, yes, the morale is much much better
now that we wouldn't have to be having these mass
(17:42):
deportations of these maths sort of round up, so to speak,
if we hadn't had Biden to create the mess that
he created.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's interesting because it feels like they're on the losing
end of the public discussion. And I have felt for
years that generally it is the case that law enforcement
does a horrible job with this, and I think part
of that is because they feel righteous in their mission
(18:17):
and thank God, because I don't want to go out
and do what they're doing. This is a dangerous job.
It's a thankless job. Nobody says, oh, way to go.
You know, everybody understands why they're doing this. We could
stop them doing this, we could change the law. But
everyone wants this done. But they want somebody else to
pick up the trash, not the rest of us. But
it feels like when they come under attack, they lock
(18:41):
down and hide. And I've told people this for years.
There are times when you need to engage and you
need to shout from the rooftops. And this is where
I think Trump is particularly good, is that he takes
on issues like this and he says what people won't say,
and he defends himself and he gets the public back.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
On his side.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
And it just feels like you having been inside that
I don't know if you agree, but it feels like
they don't want to engage and when that happens, the
narrative gets painted by someone else well.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
And I have to agree, I think that there is
a lot more that can be said. I think a
lot of it is being controlled coming out of the
White House. Of course, you know Tom Holman is no
longer the acting director of ICE. He is now the
borders are so he is a White House person, And
of course I think the rhetoric needs to change. I
think ices needs to go out and defend themselves. But
(19:36):
I think based on the situation that we're living at
this very moment, you know, they're not going to speak
about an open investigation the FBI as a lead. And
you know a lot of times I stand up and
I will correct their rhetoric. And I spend a lot
of time doing radio interviews and things of that nature,
just to defend them because now they're not perfect, but
you know what, they're hard workers and they are being
(19:59):
dragged through the dirt by the left and by those
that don't agree that there is a law. And the
unfortunate thing is, you know, at what point do people
recognize that it's not just ICE that's out there, it's
atf it's the EA, it's FBI. They're all working in
conjunction with many of these ongoing investigations that they conduct.
(20:20):
And the problem is the rhetoric is just a hatred
towards ICE. It's incredibly frustrating. But I think, you know,
there are there should be more coming out of ICE,
depending on the local But you know, I don't know.
I'm not there. I don't know what the communications directives
are coming out of those particular district offices.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Well, I look.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
At Trump's one of Trump's great skills. You know, Reagan
is known as a great communicator. He was a great
speech giver, that's true, but in terms of messaging strategy,
there's no one in my lifetime better than Trump, and
it's not even close.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
And I think of.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
How effectively he takes up issues and then advances and
and and advocates for that issue, and it feels like
this very important depart. It feels like they're they're letting
this thing turn the wrong direction, and the left is
staying on top of it, and it feels like we're
making this into another George Floyd situation. And a lot
(21:24):
of a lot of sort of casual observers of the
news are going to see this steady drum beat, and
it's amazing how that can change public opinion. You mentioned
Tom Holman. I think Tom Holman litigates these cases better
on CNN and MSNBC better than anyone. And I think
his voice, in his tone is much more of what
(21:47):
is needed now. So it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting
to see. I want to go back to your book.
Through the end of the segment, A Reporter's Journey Inside
Media DHS and ice By, we said, Decent, what do
you want people to take away from this? You know,
you've had many years of experience doing this.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
What do you want people to know that they didn't
already know?
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I want people to open up their eyes and to
be resourceful enough to look at stories from different angles,
different resources, you know, ask more questions don't just take
everything at face value and don't believe everything that the
left is telling you, especially some of these fear mongering
reporters that are on CNN and other stations that don't
get the story accurately, that it's always slanted, and that
(22:33):
you need to open up your eyes and be an
individual and do your own homework. You know, reporters in
some instances, not everybody. There's still a couple of very
professionals out there, such as yourself. But the thing is
that you just can't rely on one source of information.
You've got to rely on doing your own research and homework.
It'll open up your eyes. I've seen it. I've dealt
(22:56):
with cases where reporters say one thing, and of course,
you know, an entirely different thing is that what's actually happened.
And we're going to see what comes out of this
investigation with the FBI, and I think people's eyes will
open up and realize that the fear mongering organizations that
are out there, they're like paid agitators. You know, don't
believe everything you see in here. You need to do
(23:17):
your own homework.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
They are you know, nobody is surprised that a murder
an accused murderer's lawyer tells you he's a saint. You
understand he's paid to advocate on behalf of that guy
and make these arguments. He doesn't believe it, and I
think that's the important thing to understand that these people
(23:40):
are paid to do a job.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
The book is a reporter's.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Journey inside Media, DHS and ICE by Luisa Deson. It
hits today. You can find it on Amazon or on
her site. Thanks for being with Uslisa. If you travel
to some countries, many countries and business owners are honest
with you. They'll tell you that they cheat on their taxes.
(24:03):
In most countries around the world, there is the idea
that the government is corrupt and so you just cheat
all you can. And unfortunately, people who were raised in
that culture when they come to this country, there is
no sense of, well, that's shameful to cheat. There is
(24:28):
the sense that you're weak if you don't. At a
real estate company in the nineties, and I remember, we'd
be doing deals and if I was representing a seller
on a deal, and we'd get to the closing table
and the buyer would say they need to pay for this,
(24:50):
this and this, and I would say no, no, no, no, no,
that wasn't the deal. I represented you, I negotiated the deal.
It's all in writing. Now that's what we're going to do.
We're going to walk awa where they gonna to walk away?
How can you live with yourself like that? That's not
an American ideal. And these people weren't from America. They
were from a Middle Eastern country. And it became clear
(25:14):
to me that it was considered weak to do the
right thing. There's a case. There's a guy named Wayne Dolchafino.
He's an investigative reporter. He now works independently and out
of Houston. And here there's a town called Corpus Christi
south of Houston, and it's it's on the Bay there,
(25:34):
and there are these two Indian guys who Doltravino's report
alleges that they've bought off the city council and the
mayor and and different people. And and I'm probably not
getting the story right, but the two guys are Indian,
and so there seems to be at least among these
(25:58):
two guys, my wife's from India, there seems to be
a sense, at least that's the allegation that these guys
are just buying people's votes.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And I've seen this.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I have seen some Indian business owners who've come to
the unit of the United States or Pakistani who seem
to have the sense that everyone's for sale, and it
feels like it's a higher number of people, a higher
percentage of people than amongst your average American business owner.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Maybe it's not true.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Maybe I'm more sensitive to it because I want Indians
to do the right thing so that they look good
to other Americans because my wife's in it.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Maybe that's why some blacks are really hard on other blasts,
as they say, you fool, if you look bad, you
make me look bad. White people don't really think of
it that way. But there does seem to be a
sense of the Somalis who come here in a large percentage,
obviously not one hundred percent. Now, I don't ever want
(27:03):
to say that because someone is from a country, they're
a bad person, even if ninety nine percent of them are,
because it's not fair to that person. I wouldn't want
you saying that about me. But I will say and
I understand that this is not the sorts of things
you're supposed to say that. It sure does seem like
there's a lot of Somali fraud.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
So a man who was a part of Minnesota's two
hundred and fifty million dollars fraud scheme, which was called
Feeding our Future. Oh, it's always for the nicest things.
We're going to take care of the poor people and
the hungry people and the disadvance, and it's always a fraud.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Always.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
So this guy who was part of this two hundred
fifty million dollars scheme has been added to the FBI's
Most Wanted Fraudsters list, and we're not looking for him
in the United States.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Let's be clear.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Fahad Mohammed Nir, we didn't have any Fahaed Mohammed Nur's
in my high school. Was charged in twenty twenty two
with wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering, and money laundering,
and federal prosecutors say he received more than five million
dollars in fraudulent federal funds that was supposed to feed
(28:24):
children who were hungry. And where is he today, Well,
we don't know. He fled to the United States in
January in twenty twenty two when they were on him,
and they believe he's living in you'll never guess Somalia. Yeah, so,
if they're right, there's a guy living probably as a warlord,
(28:47):
as a rich Somali in Somalia, who made his money
in the United States off taxpayer dollars, to the harm
of both the taxpayer and the children who supposedly need
to be fed.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
You got to wonder.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
You know, you had the daycare fraud in Mogadishu, Minnesota,
where you had these Somalis who were setting up these
daycares and they were getting all these federal funds to
take care of children during the day and supposedly it
was Somali kids they were taken care of. Well, here's
what's odd about that. The Somali women who come here,
(29:28):
by and large don't work outside the home. They have
traditional Muslim paternal roles where the mom stays home, the
dad goes out and commits fraud or whatever he does,
but the mom stays home. So why are we subsidizing
(29:49):
daycare for people whose mom is staying at home. Well
there's these immigrants. Well, these immigrant communities gotten very sophisticated.
They deliver the votes. I used to go to Indian
business events when I was running for office, and when
I was in office, and I would be the only
Republican there and Sheila Jackson Lee would be at every event,
(30:13):
and she was largely supported by Indian politicians.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Well, I don't mind tell you. I think Sheila Jackson
Lee was a fraud.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I think Sheila Jackson Lee was probably conducting illegal operations.
That's my suspicion. I can't prove it. It's a sneaking,
supicion suspicion. I don't say it lightly. I think that
she I know that she was taking money from and
closely associating with people from foreign countries who ended up
(30:44):
fleeing this country, owing a lot of money in taxes
and fines and fees, and under investigation.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I could name their names if you wanted them.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
And I think there is more of this going on
than the average person knows because you don't know this
Somali man engaged in his behavior but for the fact
that he made it on a list that was then
covered by CBS News that I then read, you don't
know what's going on in Mogadishu, Minnesota, and neither do
(31:16):
I unless it is exposed. Guess who didn't expose it?
The State government that received the federal funds and handed
it to the frauds. Well, part of their responsibility as
a state government when they receive these federal block grants
is to do the job of accountability, to do the
(31:41):
job of reviewing their finances, reviewing are they delivering the service? Well,
how many people haven't heard of the leering Center? What
were they leering at the leering center? We found this
with home health care. We found it with children.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So we have all.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
These billions of your tax dollars going to help the
children or the old people.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Are the sick or the hungry or the dying? Was
it really doing funding fraudsters?
Speaker 4 (32:11):
And the Democrats know it because the fraudsters deliver the
votes and the dollars to the Democrats to keep them
in power.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's like the mafia.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
It's an underground economy of circularity that they all benefit from.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And if you dare call it
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Out, they claim you're xenophobic and racist, call me whatever
you want, You're a fraud and a hit dog squeals first,
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