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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
The Michael Verie Show is on the air.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Workers have been told that they need to be back
at work tomorrow morning, ending the longest government shutdown in
US history.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
In Mastler, I didn't want this shutdown. I wanted to
end but not at any cost. And of course I
wish that there was a path to saving this democracy
and saving people's healthcare that didn't involve pain. This shutdown hurt,
it did, But unfortunately, I don't think there is a

(00:46):
way to save this country, to save our democracy without
there being some difficult, hard moments.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
So the bottom line is that Democrats went into this
after a blue wave out of the American people saying
we do want the opposition. We the working people want
the Democratic Party to fight for them, and now they
just cave and surrender.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
I think Chuck Schumer his days are over and.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
He cannot put that and he cannot keep pockets together.
If he cannot keep this clockets together, he needs to go.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
I didn't fully understand how damn I served.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
Him Houston City Council twenty five years ago. And when
I came into office, we had a mayor who was
famously and absurdly stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
He called himself doctor Lee P. Brown. He had a PhD.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
And it was some mamby pamby flim flam flimsy PhD
in something that you know, you just hang around long enough,
maybe sit through a few zoom classes, you get a PhD,
and you want to be called doctor. He can't prescribe
a damn thing, So Lee Pee Brown he called himself.

(02:01):
He had a career of falling upward. You see these guys,
they're not all minorities, but this one was. And sometimes
this will happen with minorities. You see somebody who just
keeps getting promoted because they go, hey, we got to
have a black guy to be first sheriff black sheriff
of Portland. Well let's put Lee P. Brown in there. Well,
based on that, Hey, you got to have a black

(02:22):
guy to be the first police chief in Atlanta, all right,
he'll do for that. Have a black guy to be
the first police chief in Houston, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
We got this guy.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
He's been the police chief and wherever he went, he
didn't do anything. The guy was famous for doing nothing.
He's lazy. But then again, he was doing exactly what
he was elected to do be black. That was his
job qualification. That's why he was hired. He knew it too.

(02:51):
So then he goes to New York where, uh oh,
now you got a real job, and they have the
Crown Heights incident where you had Hasidic Jews and blacks
battling it out. And unlike a lot of other groups,
the Hasidic Jews were not going to sit idly by.
They're going to fire back, and they're not waiting on

(03:14):
the cobs. So you ended up with a very brutal
situation on hand.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
And Lee P. Brown nowhere to be found. Out of town.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
Brown he was known as because wherever he was, he
was never actually there. He was always on vacation. But look,
his job was to be the face on the website
and be black, and he did that. Why you keep
bothering him to want to actually work for a living.
Then he goes to d C for the ultimate, the
ultimate do nothing job. He was the drugs are so

(03:43):
nobody even knows, he doesn't have to show up anytime.
Then he comes back to Houston to be Houston's first
black mayor, and boy was he ever a mess. I
mean just horrible. And when I get elected, you could
do three two year terms, so my first two year
term was his last two year term them, and he
was engaged in all sorts of tomfoolery and chicanery and corruption.

(04:07):
He announced that he was going to make one hundred
black millionaires in Houston, and I know maybe he did.
He basically handed the money to do contracts for things
that many of them weren't even in the business to do.
We ended up with major sinkholes on Anderson Road where
people are driving along and then a massive hole occurs
because it hadn't there had been no slip liner put

(04:30):
in the pipe that went underneath the road. So now
there's a huge I mean it's out of a movie
or something. There are consequences to voting what there are
consequences to voting in this manner. And so anyway, the
city was in financial peril. So I get elected and

(04:51):
I decide that I'm going to be calling for a
cut to every non essential service, every single thing that
is not essential. We're going to cut till we get
the city's budget back in line. Oh, the children will die.
All the libraries will be closed, yes, there will. Oh
the parks will be closed. That's fine. People will take
care of the parks when the government stops taking care

(05:13):
of it. What else do you need to do? Why
aren't we spending so much on parks? And I went
through everything that we were doing. We're wasting a lot
of money after school programs. We don't need that. Leave
that to the churches, Leave that to the families, leave
it to the communities, leave it to the millionaires. Philanthropy
can step in, step in and do this. So anyway,
I declared that I was going to not take a

(05:34):
salary for my first year of elected office. It was
forty eight thousand. Wasn't forty eight million, but it was something,
and it meant I didn't make any money. And that
ended up biting me because it turns out that if
you served on city council for six years you could
get a pension. It wasn't a lot, but you get
a pension for the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
But you had.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
It wasn't serving, It was getting paid seventy to say
yes seventy two pages. Well, I only had sixty paychecks
because I didn't take a salary my first year. So
boy did that ever come back and bite me. But
it was worth it. All of that to say, I
made the announcement that if I was going to ask
everyone else to tighten their belts, I was going to
suffer as well.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
My wife and I. That hurt. We needed that money.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
It was a pay cut to go to city council
in the first place. Now I was making nothing, so
and I was young, and you know we were in debt.
So when I think about this, I think about this.
You know these politicians saying, oh, the shutdown hurt, how
much did it hurt? You still got paid. There were

(06:39):
several attempts to say, if the government is shut down
and other people aren't getting paid, then you don't get paid.
Why should they get paid. See, we've got a situation
where they don't make any law that causes them any harm.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Do you know they exist did themselves from Obamacare.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
They imposed Obamacare on America but exempted themselves.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
That just tells you everything doesn't activate. To Michael Arry Show, well,
I suppose it's today to celebrate. Take a deep breath.
We made it.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
The American dream is once again a possibility for all
because the well oiled machine we call our government.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Is back open for business. This, by God, the government
is open. Hold your breath. We can all.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Resume to function as a society, and our planet will
again sit properly on its.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Axis of hope.

Speaker 7 (07:50):
Here mind, you can now continue to wake up each
morning cant of your a cup of coffee so the
kids to school, and think how could that ever happen
without our big giant government.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Sports are now back to being sports. Johnson's step back.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Look where it's.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Back.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yes, the government is back to being the government. Mail
will be slow, and getting a passport will be as
fun as a colonoscopy.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Buying a stamp will be like.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Passing a kidney stuff everynewing your license, well, it's hard
to imagine how much fun we can have. The government
is back, baby, and we know the excitement.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Is in the air, sir.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I know you've been parked out here for days, just
waiting for the government to be open.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
How great does this feel?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Hey man?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
I was actually looking get a McRib.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, I was waiting on the McRib right there on
McDonald's right there, right by the courthouse.

Speaker 6 (08:55):
Here there's a nest one into the.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Other news.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
Jasmine Crockett is growing increasingly to look like Shila Jackson Lee.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
She's doing the the I don't know what you.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
We called it a triple crown weave for Shila Jackson Lee.
We've gone from single to double crown weave for Jasmine Crockett,
and then a whole tuft of it, a Rapunzel type
thing coming down the shoulder on the other side. I mean,
if she was to drop that off the balcony, you
could scale up it. You probably several fellows. I mean
it's thick, it's twisted steel. I mean it's something. It's

(09:49):
got to be heavy on her on her neck to
be hauling that damn thing around. I can't even imagine
what that's like. Well, the shutdown, this is the numbers
they've released. It doesn't make it true. I don't trust anything.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
They say.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
Forty two million lost snap benefits, Well, I'm okay with that.
I honestly believe let's zero based budget the whole of
government operations. If you actually get in there and start
rooting around, you'd find out there are people who've been
getting food stamps for decades that they've been dead, and

(10:27):
you're still paying for it. There doesn't seem to be
any concept by anybody that this is real money that's.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Being taken from you.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
The idea is where there's just so much it just
doesn't matter, like a billionaire's home, where there's magazines laying everywhere,
and you go, nobody's even reading these things. They're just
stacking up. What does it matter, We'll never spend all
of it. But the problem is we are spending all
of it, and we're borrowing all of it. And that's

(10:57):
what bothers me, because my kids didn't sign up for this,
and neither did yours. I'll tell you the thing that
I think bothered people. The most, five point two million
airline passengers were affected. Now I don't know if affected
means they had a flight delay or they lost their flight,
but I know folks who went to the airport waited

(11:21):
around four or five six hours and then the flight
was canceled.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Now that makes you pretty darn mad right there.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
And so Trump understands you've got to channel that anger
and constantly.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Tell the story that was the Democrats who did that.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
That was a Republicans have had a tendency to try
to take the high ground. Republicans have an assumption that
people know what's going on and they will understand it.
Democrats get down in the dirt and they scrap and
they will claim, they'll claim this was shut down. They

(12:01):
absolutely will. And that's why you have to keep fighting them.
You have to keep telling the story. That's why Trump
stays on message. So darn well. Speaker Mike Johnson took
the House for before the vote to reopen the government
and accurately predicted that there would still be some Democrats
who would once again vote against the American people.

Speaker 8 (12:24):
D four days ago when we had that vote September nineteenth,
and since that time, Senate Democrats have voted fourteen times
to close the government. Republicans voted to collect it fifteen
times to open the government for the people, and the
Democrats voted that many times to close it. And then
they admitted, many of them, and we could name them here,
but I'm not going to take the time. They admitted

(12:44):
that they were using the American people as leverage in
this political game.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
They knew that.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
Johnson went on to say that Chuck Schumer, the leader
of the Democrats and the Senate, and Hakim Jeffery is
the leader of the Democrats in the House, we're trying
to get him to make a backroom deal.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
You do not make backroom deals with these people. If
you haven't learned yet, learn it now. They will always
burn you.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
The biggest objection that I had to Chuck Schumer and
Hakim Jeffries we're playing political games with people's lives when
they shut the government down, was Chuck Schimer came out
and said the quiet part out loud. I don't think
he realized he has no self awareness, but he came
and cried to all of you that I would not
agree to go into a back room and make a
four corners agreement on these issues, that just he and

(13:34):
I and Kim Jeffers and Leader Thune would go in
a room and make this decision for the entire population
of America and block out all of our colleagues as
if they had no voice in it. That is why
Washington is broken. That's why Congress hasn't worked well for people.
That's why they don't have a lot of faith in
what goes on here. And I'm committed to trying to
restore that faith. And one way we do that as
we get back to regular order and we allow all

(13:55):
the duly elected members of this body to have their
voices heard. I'm not playing games in Chuck Shehimer. I'm
not going in a back room with you and making
a four corners deal on anything, and I hope you
understand that.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Thank y'all, we got the government open. Let's celebrate tonight.

Speaker 6 (14:08):
You know, if you're a police officer, you know in
a big city, you know that you're going to wake.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Up and go have to deal with badass today. It's
part of what you do. You expect it.

Speaker 6 (14:21):
You realize that in America we're going to have to
wake up every day for the rest of our lives,
and we're going to have to ensure that the waste,
to fraud, the corruption is punished and ended at every turn.
It is so much deeper. The tentacles are dug so

(14:44):
far in. There are more people, there is more power,
there is more money associated with it. And it's not
just the poor people getting it. They're actually the byproduct
of all of this. It's the people administering. It's the
programs getting it. It's the number of people who are

(15:09):
staffers for congressmen who then go into starting their own
organization and they give to this organization their brothers over
here and their sisters in Congress.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
You've got cornpop was a bad Dude, the Michael Berry
Show is whatever you're talking to people about at the
water cooler earlier today, or whatever you're talking about the
dining room table tonight.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
Are those things that you decided you would talk about
today or are they things that you are reacting to
because you have this odd desperate need to put your
hand in the snake pit and get bit again and
again and again and come out of there and say

(15:58):
that's a snake in there, by which I mean people
sending me emails asking me why I'm not talking about
this or that Democrat talking point to criticize Trump, because
I decide what I'm going to talk about.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
If you're letting news.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
Directors decide what you're going to talk about, then they're
controlling the game. Our side doesn't play that game the
way they do. We should be on offense every time
they call a play, ignore it.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Or ridicule it.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
But that is why many of the things that they
hurl at Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I never actually address.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
Jazzy Jasmine Crockett with her double crown weave. She is
morphing into Sila Jackson Leeke. Dear God, I hope the
breath in is bad because Sheila had the worst breath. Oh,
it was legendarily bad, like a dragon. Oh, and she'd
liked she was a close talker. You know, the close
talker types. They'd like to get right up on you

(17:14):
when they talk to something about it. I don't know
if they think it's a power thing or whatever. They
like to get right up in your face, which I
don't like. You know, my space invaded to begin with.
But she had the most awful breath. It smelled like
ass terrible. I'm just terrible. And I don't know if
Jasmine Crockett has that or not. I'm not saying she does.

(17:37):
I'm saying if she's morphing into Sheila Jackson Lee, I
hope she's not taking up that habit as well. She
said she was angry with federal workers who continued to
draw paychecks during the shutdown, but she's not angry with

(17:57):
everyone because she's one of.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Them, y'all.

Speaker 9 (18:02):
I'm having to do this by myself because I'm in
the airport, so I am hoping that my staff tells
me that we are all good because I want to
jump on as my flight has been delayed yet again.
But it's all good. I am not mad at air

(18:23):
traffic controllers, whatsoever. I am very happy, all right, Zach says,
We're good. I'm not mad at air traffic controllers. I'm
not mad at any federal workers except for the ones
that have continued to get paid, which means it's like
me and my coworkers. But that's all other issue. I'm

(18:44):
obviously not mad at myself either.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
What a joke. The fact that she's in Congress. What
a joke.

Speaker 6 (18:55):
Next Friday, November is National Adoption Month, and we always
just pick a day and make it our annual adoption special.
It's very important to us here at to Michael Berry Show.

Speaker 7 (19:07):
And.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
We always enjoy hearing your stories. It's amazing. The newest
member of our team, Darryl Koonda, is himself adopted, and
he will speak about that for the first time next Friday,
and you might want to share your story as well.
Rather than leaving it to chance that you will get

(19:31):
in on the line on the day of which is unlikely,
we are opening the phone lines and they will go
straight to the voicemail because we're not taking calls tonight.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
But if you want to call.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
Now or anytime today, well tomorrow, we'll be on the
air again. Live, but we have sent the phone lines
directly to voicemail, and you can quickly tell your adoption
story and we will pick some of those to play
as mean as we can to play next Friday, and
that might just be. This is Sam in Birmingham, Alabama.

(20:08):
I was adopted at four years old. My parents died
in a car crash in the family who adopted me
is wonderful and I love them and I'm so grateful
for him and or whatever, or I gave up my
child for adoption, or we were parents and adopted a child,
and how we had two of our own already and

(20:30):
then we adopted two more. Whatever your story is, just
take a minute or two or so and get right
to it. Tell your name and where you're from and
your story. And I do think there is value in
this undertaking because somebody out there, and you might never
predict how it's going to happen, but somebody out there

(20:53):
we'll hear your story and will say, Wow, that inspires me,
or wow, somebody else suffered through that, or wow, that's unique.
I kind of went through that, and that guy seemed
like he turned out okay, And so we do think
there is real value to that and so yeah, President

(21:14):
Trump says he will have an alternative plan to Obamacare.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
See this is the problem.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
Democrats create schemes and Republicans are just left going no, no,
we don't need a new scheme, which we don't. And
then people who are not very smart go, well, what's
your plan, and we never have a plan. So President
Trump says, here's my alternative plan. We're going to send
the money to the American people to help them pay

(21:42):
for their own health care costs. You know, there is
a new model of healthcare called concierge care, and doctors
are getting into this where you pay, you pay up front,
so it's not free. Anybody said, oh, call clue, more money. Okay,
if you want whatever you got now, stick with that,

(22:06):
but maybe cut back on some other things and pay
for this. And these doctors see five patients today instead
of seventy five. It's a much more rewarding way for
them to handle that. If we get insurance out of
the way and people start paying for their health care
the way they pay for food and housing, it would
be much more efficient and much more effective.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Here's what President Trump said.

Speaker 10 (22:29):
The biggest increase of any of healthcare in any country.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
It's a disaster.

Speaker 10 (22:34):
And I'm calling today for insurance companies not to be
paid but for the money, this massive amount of money,
to be paid directly to the people of our country
so that they can buy their own health care, which
will be far better and far less expensive than the
disaster known as Obamacare. And I've had I think great support,

(22:57):
I've given that Democrat support. So we want the money
that would be going to the insurance company, which is
hundreds of billions of dollars. You know, their stop prices
have gone up by a thousand percent in many cases
a thousand percent over a short period of time because
our country stupidly pays them so much money with this

(23:18):
Obamacare scandal. So I want the money to go directly
to you, the people, and you go out and you'll
buy your own health insurance and you'll negotiate different plans
and you'll get much better insurance, and you will be
an entrepreneur for yourself. So I'm always willing to work
with anyone, including the other party. We'll work on something

(23:39):
having to do with healthcare. We can do a lot better,
we can do great. So much money is involved, and
we're willing to pay so much money to the people.
So we're going to pay a lot of money to
the people. They're going to go out and buy their
own healthcare and we're going to forget this Obamacare. Manness,
you're at five.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Rosen putting on a stake the Michael very Koe Jello
brand pudding pops made with the goodness of real Jello puddies.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
If in fact the story turns out to be true,
holy hell is it destroyed. Prosecutors in Milan, Italy are
investigating whether wealthy Italians traveled to Sarajevo in the nineties.
Remember the Balkan Wars were going on to kill people

(24:28):
in human safari. They're called human Safari trips. It is
even being alleged that extra money was paid to get
to shoot kids. The investigative writer who uncovered these allegations
says there were no political or religious motivations. They were

(24:48):
rich people who went there for fun and personal satisfaction.
They just wanted to kill random people. Fox twenty four
News with the story.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Milan's secutor's office has opened this investigation to these claims
that there are Italians who traveled to Bosnia. As you
mentioned in the early nineteen nineties essentially to be sniper tourists.
I mean, they allegedly paid huge sums of money to
the Bosnian Serb army in order to kill Bosnian civilians

(25:19):
for kicks, is what we're finding out.

Speaker 9 (25:22):
Now.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
This happened between nineteen ninety two and nineteen ninety six.
There was that four year siege of Sarajevo. Some eleven
thousand people died in that siege, and this is because
of a complaint that was filed by Milan based journalist
and writer Etzio gavat Zeni. Now, he essentially put together

(25:43):
this report and he says that wealthy people who had
a passion for weapons essentially paid money to kill defenseless civilians.
That's what he said. And the reports are saying that
basically these people here initially traveled to the northern Italian
city of Trieste. From there they made their way to
Belgrade during that period, and then from there to the

(26:07):
hills surrounding Sarajevo where they carried out this sniper action. Now,
the reports include lots of testimony that he's put together
as well as evidence gathering, including testimony from a Bosnian
military intelligence officer who is said to have informed this
information to the Italian military intelligence at the time. Now

(26:30):
all this evidence that he's put together is being examined
by an Italian counter terrorism prosecutor and they aim to
want to identify the Italians that are involved on charges
of murder aggravated by cruelty and abject motives. So really
some very cruel actions that have been presented in this evidence,

(26:54):
and so the Milan Prosecutor's office clearly feel that it
warrants an investigation.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
How do these people.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
How do they find somebody willing to do.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
This for them?

Speaker 6 (27:15):
Like which came first, the business concept or the customer?
Did the customer think? Was there a person out there
who thought, man, you know what I'd really like to do?
Since they got a war going on over there already,

(27:35):
I like to go over there and if they'll set
me up a nice sniper's nest to make sure I
can't get shot back here. I just like to shoot
innocent people in a country I've never been to that
I have no beef with.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Is there anyone that can do that for me? Is
that how it works?

Speaker 6 (27:52):
Or does someone go I got an idea, I need
a proof of concept.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
So maybe y'all will come on my first trip. But
what do y'all think?

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Think about this? Like, how does that work? Like is
there a commercial for that?

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(28:50):
Warning there is no statute of limitations from murder, meaning
it could be prosecuted at any time if the crime
is committed.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I'll get your unrescue. What does it.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
Say about human nature? Is it all of human nature
or just a small select group closer to home. I
truly believe that liberals are by their nature angry, bitter, resentful,

(29:28):
and I think that the loop, the feedback loop they're in,
causes the rage to amp up. And that's where you
get Donald Trump shot in the head. That's where you
get Charlie Kirk murdered, assassinated. People on our side don't
do that. But it's not just a difference of what

(29:51):
party you vote for, Like a different color shirt you wear,
it's a different outlook, it's a different viewpoint. It's an
entirely different set of values that make up who and
what you are. It's whether you value life. To snuff
out the life of a person who's done you no
harm and pay for the thrill I guess of doing it,

(30:17):
You've got to be a dark, dark soul, a dark, sick,
twisted soul, not only to do that to that person
and to those around them, they're loved ones, but it
speaks volumes about your view of life. It has troubled
me for years that and I'm not the one who
came up with the term. It's been around that the

(30:39):
Democrats are a death cult. They're obsessed with death. Killing
a baby before it's born. It is this idea of
human life is nothing more than a disposable trash bag.
And I think that those are the traits of a

(31:02):
civilization in decline. The passionate view of life as sacred
is the sign of an advanced, enlightened society. And it
is important, even when the days look dark, that we continue,
too passionately, passionately fight for this principle and remind ourselves

(31:32):
this story might have been in Sarajevo involving Italians. If
it turns out to be true, we don't know, but
remind ourselves that there is darkness all around us.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
The devil is very busy.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
And that means that our work is cut out that
we cannot rest. I think about the people who never
saw it coming. Lives were cut short for no reason,
not even the stupidity of a war, so someone else
could enjoy watching them die. My mind, I'm just trying

(32:17):
to process how low a spot you'd have to be.
But what kind of creature, what kind of cretan would
you have to be to want to do

Speaker 2 (32:26):
That and then to do it
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