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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael very show is.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
On the air that she oughts a couple of months old,
and if you want to really see.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Something that said, take a look at what happened along
to the thief.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Part of why I admire and support Joe Biden is
that his tone has been geared towards trying to bring
us together.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
The Republican Party today is dominated, driven and intimidated by
Donald Trump and the Maggie Republicans, and.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
That is a threat to this country.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Others are directly pointing the finger at President Biden, with
of course no evidence that he incited this.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
We told ourselves that American democracy is guaranteed, but it's not.
We have to defend it, protect it, for it, each
and every one of us.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We're all called by.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Duty and conscious to confront extreamists will put their own
pursuit of power above all else.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'd like to take it behind the gym. If we're
in high school. We're in high school. I take you
behind the gym and beat the hell out of.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
A lot of people have tried to draw similarities between
Mussolini and Hitler and the use of the terminology like
vermin and the drive that those men had towards autocracy
and dictatorship. All he cares about is selfish self promotion.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
That's the only philosophy he has.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
A vote for Donald Trump may mean the last election
that you ever get to vote in. And again, I
don't say that lightly, and I think is heartbreaking that
that's where we are. But people have to recognize that
that vote for Donald Trump is a vote against the Constitution.
Speaker 8 (01:51):
And then the biggest threat that official they're telling me
tonight is in the form of retaliatory violencing.
Speaker 9 (01:58):
Just sit back on the sidelines and say, oh, well,
don't worry, this will all work itself out.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
They're still going to have to go out and put
a bullet in Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (02:05):
And it is frankly unpatriotic at this moment to be
soaking the flames when we know that we are setting
on a cauldron attentions.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
The perission structure for violence.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
You've got polls about political violence Democrats don't think is
a good idea.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Only as.
Speaker 10 (02:26):
When was the last time an actor assassinator of the president?
Speaker 6 (02:30):
I have thought an all the lot about blowing up
in the wine house.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You have relieved the world land and you will pay
up ride.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
This is just a warning to you Trumpers, be careful,
walk likely, and for those of you who are soldiers,
make them pay.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I will go and take Trump out.
Speaker 11 (03:02):
To that for showing you this video on repeat, because
these events just happened. But we want to make clear
that this is something we are reporting to you as
a historic event as it unfolds. But we are very
mindful that this kind of event can inspire violence, it
can inspire retaliation, and we want no part of that.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Today.
Speaker 12 (03:31):
It was two years ago today in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
How quickly we forget.
Speaker 12 (03:38):
That the president was within an inch of dying at
the hands of an assassin. You want to know something fascinating.
I'll bet you know the name of the person who
shot Charlie Kirk, but you don't know the name of
the person who shot President Trump. The difference between those
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two shootings, fueled by the same mindset, was just an inch.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
It was just an inch. This would have been very different.
Speaker 12 (04:12):
We'll talk about the two year anniversary, which is what
today is of Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
What it meant, the failings of the.
Speaker 12 (04:19):
Secret Service and others to create a situation where our
president was to die.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I guess I can't.
Speaker 12 (04:26):
Say I'm not a conspiracy theorist because well, I don't
enjoy conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I think a lot of people do. They like to
just sit and think up what's the craziest thing could happen.
Speaker 12 (04:37):
I don't, but I do find it interesting how many
things that I start I thinking it seems like a
conspiracy theory end up being true. I lived through COVID.
COVID didn't kill people the crazy conspiracy theories did. I mean,
you ask us to believe that nobody died from the
flu that year, and the same number of people died
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from COVID as would have died from the flu, and
we paid for this thing that they told us started
in an open air, or the whole thing. I mean,
it strains credibility. But that was two years ago. We're
talking about that. But of course the big news one
one hundredth of the United States Senate died over the weekend,
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Lindsey Graham, and obviously Lindsey Graham, a four term senator
who was very likely to be re elected. The biggest
warmonger in the Senate, maybe the biggest warmonger of all time,
has passed his sister. I s today being tapped to
serve out his term until January. Third, of course, there'll
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be an election to determine who the nominee will be
in November, and then there will be a Republican nominee,
and we'll get into that in the coming days. I'm
not a big one for speculation or rushing these sorts
of things. I prefer things to happen and then to analyze.
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But what I want to do today is not going
to sit well with some of you, and I understand
that I do.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's not that I'm out here thinking I'm making you.
Speaker 12 (06:15):
Real happy and you're mad at me, okay, and that
I'm too stupid to know any better. I know that
the popular thing to do is to repeat the Trump
administration line and the media line, the Democrat center line
that Lindsey Graham was a good man and he's sort
of I don't believe that. I think Lindsay Graham did
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a lot of harm in our country. And I think
that a lot of our people died in wars where
they didn't need to be for as long as we
were there. And I think there are real consequences for
real people who don't have a platform to say those
sorts of things. I like this to be a safe
place for people to come and explore ideas that may
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not be mainstream or typical, or conventional, or or polite.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
And that's what we're going to do today.
Speaker 12 (07:05):
I know you don't want me to speak ill of
the dead, Okay, I will speak ill of Lindsey Graham's
service to the United States Senates in this country. I
think he cost a lot of American lives. I think
he's a representative of this want. I think he was
a terrible human being in that service, and I hope
his soul goes to heavy you drag.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And that's about as nice as I can be. We'll
take some costs coming up, crawl and listen to the
Tsar salt, my buddy, Michael Berry.
Speaker 12 (07:29):
Let's go straight to the calls, because I want to
get as many on as possible.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Kevin go.
Speaker 13 (07:35):
I think two things can exist at once. I mean,
I don't wish anybody dead. However, I don't think he
should be celebrated as any kind of champion for the
Republican Party. There was never a war that man never
wanted to get into. He always was pro war, quick
to send sons and daughters to die. He had none
to give. I think he's a problem with Washington, a
typical aristocracy who in front of the camera liked to
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champion all of these supposed Republican values he has. And
then probably behind closed doors, is smoking cigars, drinking cognac
with Pelosi and Schumer and the bunch. So yeah, I
don't get this. We have to celebrate these politicians like
their kings. I just don't. I don't get that at all.
Speaker 12 (08:16):
I don't know that cigars is what he's smoking. But
you know, he we thank you for the call.
Speaker 10 (08:24):
There.
Speaker 12 (08:25):
There is this thing in America that has been pushed
by the elected officials that they are the upper class,
they are the aristocracy. We must respect them and honor them.
And then they play the game to keep us engaged
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in their game. They play the sport of attacking each other.
And then you find out that they're all best friends, right,
and then and then the game continues, and then they die,
and then, oh my goodness, the whole nation must must mourn.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And this is our royalty. And that is a horrible, horrible.
Speaker 12 (09:08):
Way to conduct public policy, because at the end of
the day, and this is what gets forgotten. These are
not people to pay ten thousand dollars for a table
when the real point is you're getting a gripping grin
photo so you can put it up in your office
and when people come by, you're a rich and powerful
person because look at the connections you have, when really
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you're just shaking these people's hands and paying for their process.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But that's what people do. They worship these people.
Speaker 12 (09:35):
They get so angry at me for criticizing these people,
and then once they're dead, then they all coalesce and go, oh,
he was the greatest thing ever. You called him an
sob last week repeatedly, you which which one is real?
Why don't we admit there's a political class and they're
up there and we're down here.
Speaker 14 (09:57):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (09:58):
Codevilla was a author of the of the article that
Rush read that I think changed a lot of people's
minds about all of this once you understood it's not
left versus right, it's not republicans versus democrats. It's the
political process that the practitioners versus us and keeping us
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engaged and keeping us from revolution. And so no, I'm
not going to say he's a good guy. When, as
you said, he just wanted to send our boys off
to war. That's all he cared about. Joe, You're up,
go ahead, sir.
Speaker 10 (10:30):
Yeah, I want to echo what Kevin said. He's a
warmonger and it's sad that anybody dies, obviously, but yeah,
there's no worship things somebody.
Speaker 13 (10:44):
Like that that.
Speaker 10 (10:46):
It's all he wants to push is war, war, war,
So that's all I got to say. I have echo
what Kevin said, So.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Thank you brother.
Speaker 12 (10:58):
The fascination and for and constant advocacy of war.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Was disturbing on a.
Speaker 12 (11:07):
Level that we made fun of it as if that
was his porn.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
We're not the only ones to have done that. There
are a lot of other people to do that. You know.
Speaker 12 (11:21):
For the people who think that warmongers are somehow tough
or patriotic, spend a little time at Camp Hope.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You know who's tough and patriotic.
Speaker 12 (11:31):
The guy from Willis High School or Crosby High School
or w. B Ray High School or Klein High School
who signs up and goes off to war and suffers
through war and comes home. That's who's tough, right, And
you will find that those guys are buying large, not
warmongers anymore. And those guys did not respect the warmongers,
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Lindsey Graham being the worst among them. This guy wanted
us in constant wars all the time. When you study empires,
and we are a soft empire, there's no question about that.
Our cultural influence capitalism is how we have exerted dominance
over the world, not dominion through colonies the way the
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British did. But if you want to diminish and destroy
an empire, to quote Ben Franklin, then you extend that
empire through foreign wars, costly foreign wars.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
History is replete.
Speaker 12 (12:31):
With example after example after example of Alexander the Greater
Kubla Khan, or Genghis Khan, or the Romans or anyone
else who are King George who extend themselves too far
into wars they can't afford and deplete their treasury and
their greatness, and the empire collapses. And it could happen
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to us as well. Gay Dave, I'm gonna come back
to you, so just hang tight. I know you'll stay
with me. Scott, you're up.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
And Michael, repeat all the things everybody's saying, but to me,
be honest, that President Trump has been running with the
Graham's presidency. I mean, this has been an absolute disaster
and nobody will say it. Trump is this warn I
RAN's going to be his legacy. It is the Rubio heagseeth.
They're all part of the same cabal. Man. They all
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make money from the industrial military complex. This is just
one of many things that I mean, they were art
rivals in twenty sixteen. I left the Republican Party when
I moved to Texas and Ron Paul was my congressman.
I never voted for Republican until for president. Until twenty twenty,
I voted for Trump. I voted for again in twenty
four Man, I'm freaking out. I'm out. I'm hoping Tucker
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Carlson and those guys create something. We get Tonas Massey back.
The fact that Trump with all guns against Massey, with
the Lindsey Graham cabal. It's been disgusting, man, and I'm done.
I'm over it. I'm not voting for call Ico, but
I'm not voting for Paston here. I'm going third party.
I'm voting libertarian again. Never thought i'd say it, but
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I'm back in it. I'm disgusted. That's all I got
to say.
Speaker 12 (14:09):
Why do you think Lindsey Graham went after Thomas Massey?
Speaker 9 (14:15):
Because Thomas Massey didn't want more. He was against spending.
He had he had three major principles and that was
our debt. He didn't want any foreign wars. And then
he became against the Epstein files. He wanted those release
based on what Pam Bondi had said was in it.
And those three things got him the kaboot by the
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by Apak and the Paul Singer billionaires that made all
the money off the Venezuelan oil fields. So that's what
got Thomas Massey out. And I hope he runs for
president in twenty twenty eight. He's got my full support,
and I think he's got a movement behind him. I
think he's going to have Tucker. I think he's going
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to have a Joe rogand O Bonn, all those podcasters
that get millions and millions of listeners. And it's gonna
be the Fox. It's gonna be them against the Fox
News boomers. That's what it is.
Speaker 12 (15:13):
It's going to be interesting to see if he runs
for the Senate seat that Mitch McConnell after August third,
will will when his death is announced after August third,
and that seat becomes open because Massey.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I don't know that Massey can win that seat. Thank
you for the call. By the way, I don't know that.
Speaker 12 (15:37):
Massey can win that seat, but I know he can
have a very very disruptive force in who is chosen,
which will be quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Bill, you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 14 (15:50):
Go ahead, Michael, thanks for taking our calls. Lindy Graham,
it was a dirt bag war monitoring and Thai American zionists.
He's no more patriot than Bill Gates is a philanthropist,
and that's all I gotta say.
Speaker 12 (16:08):
Flesh those out, if you would, because for a lot
of people, that will be the first that's a view
that is held by a number of people.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
But flesh out what.
Speaker 12 (16:19):
That means to people, because one of the things I
think about the political discussion, and I'm not trying to
advocate for or against you, is that a lot of
sort of more passive observers of politics will find some
of these things to be very disturbing, very very menacing,
very mean spirited or maybe marginal views.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Explain your position to someone who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Know them well.
Speaker 14 (16:48):
The first one is that the two main wars that
we're in now or support now is Ukraine and whatever
Israel does. And first in Ukraine, he was in Ukraine
and what twenty four saying, you.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Know your war is our war?
Speaker 14 (17:03):
Uh And in essence it is because we're funding it.
And if it weren't for us, then that would have
been over a long time ago. And all we're doing
is supporting Zelensky so that they can still read money
from the what Chelsy Gabber calls the military industrial complex,
and so they can cover their tracks and all the
nefarious things that were going on before this thing started.
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And then secondly, you know, he's he's one of the
although there are many biggest Zionists in Congress and they
don't care what Israel does, you know, keep throwing money
at them, and they all got you know, every every
person in the House or the Senate has an Israel
lobbyists assigned to them. And you know, I'm not such
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a big fan of Matthew, but to his credit, he
was the only one that didn't from what I understand,
I don't know if that's accurate or not, but from
what I heard, he is so you know, they're there
are advocates of other countries in doing things that they
shouldn't be doing. He seems to always take Israel's interests
over ours because our interests sort of shuttle that stuff
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down to not fund wars in the Middle East and
not fund wars in Eastern Europe, and to stay home
support our own people. As George Washington said, we should
have little to do with other countries than commerce.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Why do you think that changed?
Speaker 12 (18:31):
And why do you think, as you say, that Israel
more than other countries. Oh, don't let me put works
in your mouth. I'm trying to be to restate what
I think.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I hear you.
Speaker 14 (18:45):
Saying there is no bigger lobby in the United States
government than the Israel's lobby.
Speaker 13 (18:52):
They should be.
Speaker 14 (18:54):
Designated as what they call them foreign you know, foreign
interests or what. I forget what the designation is, but
they should be required to register as a foreign influence.
But they're not because they're too powerful.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Very interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 12 (19:15):
And when you come to these conclusions, as a lot
of people have, what are your sources of information? Where
do you go to look for independent because these aren't
obviously quote unquote mainstream traditional legacy media positions. Or traditional
political positions. Where do you go for independent thought that
other people might.
Speaker 14 (19:36):
Want to I get a lot of things from from telegram,
which is unfiltered. Yeah, you can't find the truth on
any broadcast media because they're all paid to advocate the
same positions and they all say the same read the
same scripts. So you've got to go outside of that
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to find any real truth.
Speaker 12 (20:01):
So your views are not sort of the typical or
the conventional, though I think a lot of people hold them.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
When would you say you.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
Began holding divergent views from what? What?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Either party in the mainstream media? A spouse?
Speaker 14 (20:20):
Probably the last So what is this twenty six? Sometime
around or just probably just before COVID because.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
COVID was a joke.
Speaker 15 (20:31):
I mean I ran.
Speaker 14 (20:32):
A small business at the time. In my contribution to
the you know, two weeks or so, the spread was
instead opening at nine, we opened at noon and said, okay,
as our you know that's going to be our sacrifice
is we're going to sleep in because I thought the
whole thing was a joke. I've had an employees that
would put those little six foot stickers on the floor,
say what do you do that for?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
They wear masks, and what.
Speaker 13 (20:53):
Do you think for that's stupid?
Speaker 14 (20:55):
Well, they said, you know, well that's but it's stupid.
It feels I have good friends that still wear those
silly things, and just like what, you know, what kool
aid are you drinking? And you probably told drink water instead.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (21:08):
You know what's crazy about that, though, is you know
I was raised in a very traditional home, a Christian home,
Southern Baptist. My mom stayed at home to raise us kids.
My dad went to the plant, he was a maintenance worker.
We respected the police, still do. We respected the government,
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We respected the media. We believed that there were institutions
of respect, and we wanted to be a respectable family too.
You know, there were things you didn't do because you
wanted to be respected the way you respected these institutions.
But we believed that when we were told stuff by
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a doctor, a medical institution, the National Institute of Health,
and you know, these were the NIH My goodness, these
were experts and healers and doctors were so well respected.
And so there was this idea that if a Fauci
type person claimed something to be the case, then by golly,
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who am I to question He's thee.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And here's the word that.
Speaker 12 (22:17):
Gets us in trouble, expert, And so I don't care
if it's a priest or for that matter, there have
been plenty of preachers molesting a child and getting away
with it because of their position, or a teacher or
a coach, and all of those that I've just mentioned
were positions of great authority, great respect, and great trust.
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And so I think that what we saw was a
collapse of a lot of those as people who entered
an otherwise honorable position, not always profession position, abused that
power and we watched other people say, well, that's okay,
because we're going to fall back on the trust and
respect we have of that person.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And I think that.
Speaker 12 (23:03):
Has reduced the institutional trust of the American people in
most everything. And here's the thing. I've reached an age
and a point in my own growth that I think
that's a good thing. Question everything, and I consider that
a more enlightened state. Now you can't keep such an
open mind that your brain falls out, But I do
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think it's very healthy to question why is the news
media lockstep telling us to wear a mask or take
a shot, or and then coming back later and telling us.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Oh that was all very bad for you.
Speaker 12 (23:35):
Well what about the consequences to the people who took it,
to the businesses that closed, to all the other things.
You know that that's something to think about. Thank you
for your call. Thank you for being willing to share
your very private thoughts with us.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You clevel a cologne That one gets mess so crazy
it's almost like how could write it?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Girl and gay Dave. You are on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 12 (24:00):
The question is your thoughts on the passing of Lindsey Graham.
Speaker 15 (24:05):
Hey Michael, first happy birthday to Ramone.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yes, I passed along your messages by.
Speaker 15 (24:12):
The way, good so you know. I was Capitol police
for six years when when Lindsay was congressman. And on
a positive note, I want to say that in person,
Lindsey Graham was a very friendly person who had no
problems just talking to you. Though I was just you know,
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a cop up there. He would have a conversation with you,
joke around with you, even talk about politics with you
if you wanted.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And I thought that was kind of cool about him
when a lot of them treated you like furniture.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
And you don't think you.
Speaker 15 (24:50):
I I don't think so, because at the time, I
wasn't even out.
Speaker 12 (24:55):
But okay, with you half, I mean have to be
asked that question right about me? Well, no, I mean
maybe he had a very advanced gate on.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Oh and oh maybe maybe his gatar was working.
Speaker 15 (25:12):
I don't know, but like my mom didn't even know,
so neither no one in my life had any clue, honestly.
Speaker 12 (25:22):
But okay, well you know that that's Look, I'm not
trying to get people to call in and beat him up.
If you were a Capitol Police officer and on a
personal level you found him to be engaging and polite
and kind, you know, that's the exact opposite of Shila
Jackson Lee. So let's say so let's mark that in
his favor. All right, it sounded like there was a
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butt or a however or what. I'm not trying to
put words you mout, but go ahead.
Speaker 15 (25:48):
I even have a positive Shiela Jackson Lee story for you.
Sometimes you want.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Let's do Lindsey Grimm then come back to her.
Speaker 13 (25:55):
Okay.
Speaker 15 (25:57):
So the other thing I want to say in a
positive I mean it's sort of a positive way, maybe
a backhanded compliment is that at least you knew what
you were getting with Lindsay Graham. You knew he was
a warmoner. You knew that he believed, and I think
he really honestly believed, where a lot of them don't
believe that getting America to be the policeman of the
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world was the right thing to do. And I don't
know that.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I don't know that.
Speaker 15 (26:27):
I honestly don't agree with that stance. But at least
you knew what you were getting with Lindsay Graham, and
the people of South Carolina kept electing him because and
they knew what they had in him. So a lot
of politicians kind of tell you one thing and then
do the other. At least with Lindsay Graham, he told
you what he believed and he stuck by it, you know.
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And I also appreciate what he did during the you know,
the imputure and trial of Bill Clinton. I thought he
was maybe the smartest of the people who are prosecuting
that case. And I also thought that he.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Did, you know, a good job with the Brett Kavanaugh hearings.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
So I think that was his finest moment as a senator.
Speaker 15 (27:18):
Oh for sure, I agree, you know, go ahead.
Speaker 12 (27:24):
And you know that to be the case, you know,
that to be the case because Stephen Miller, who is
considered the brightest.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Guy in the in the uh uh.
Speaker 12 (27:40):
Trump administration, at least the real the real intellectual backbone
of the Trump administration. He's the one who said, uh,
you know, Lindsey Graham was our greatest advocate and all that,
and this was his finest moment. I think there is
an attempt to engender a lot of love for Lindsey Graham.
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He was he was a I don't want to say
he was loyal. I think he was a guy who
was doing whatever it took at the moment for himself.
This is a guy who on and off trash Trump
and praise Trump and trash pump Trump. But Trump is
very transactional on his relationships. It's what has enabled him
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to succeed for such a long time. He can be
your friend on Monday, your enemy on Tuesday, your friend
again on Wednesday. He can prop you up to help
you get reelected, and he can work very hard to
keep you from getting re elected and work for your
And that's you know, there are gonna be people who
are mad because I'm not. You know that They just
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need to hear me say Trump is Jesus, and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Going to do that. But he's very, very able to pivot.
Speaker 12 (28:55):
And this is his business background, because because some days
somebody's your friend and some days there your enemy. And
I think it's going to be very important to the
Trump administration to to parley the the untimely death of
Lindsey Graham into a what a great.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Guy he is and he loved me guy.
Speaker 12 (29:17):
And I think that they hold the Senate seat in
South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
The governor's very close to Trump. He's a big maga guy,
and he's.
Speaker 12 (29:25):
Expected to to to do the things necessary. And we'll
get to that maybe on tomorrow's show, the timeline of
how this whole thing is going to work out, because
it gets a little bit in the weeds. But but
I do think that that we hold onto that Senate seat.
You know, look at what we've done in Maine and
in Texas, how hard we're struggling to hold onto Senate
seats there. You know, any one Senate seat that you lose,
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whether a Democrat holds onto reelection or worse, a Republican
falls to a Democrat, you can't in today's Senate.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
You just you can't do that. Gay Dave. I don't
know if if I allowed you.
Speaker 12 (30:01):
To finish your comments on the policies and politics of
Lindsey Graham, but if I didn't go.
Speaker 15 (30:06):
Ahead, Well, he said something that you know, touchdong kind
of what I wanted to say, and that you know,
Lindsey went back and forth on praising and you know,
saying bad things about Trump.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And that goes ways by the way Trump. Trump did
the same right for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
And but when Trump does it, he doesn't at a
you know, because he's mad at a person, or you know,
he doesn't actually always think about what the meaning behind
it was. And I think with Lindsay Graham when he
was criticizing Trump, it was because he believed Trump was
doing something wrong, and it was more of a policy
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thing than it was a personal thing.
Speaker 15 (30:48):
With Trump, it gets very personal.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I think that's the difference with Lindsey Graham and he
and you might, you know, you might think he's inauthentic,
but I honestly don't think he is. I think I
think he was pretty concern with his belief and he
held pretty strongly to what he believed.
Speaker 15 (31:05):
And I don't agree with him. I wouldn't have voted
for him. I would have voted for you know that
guy that was from that businessman that ran ran against him.
I actually set the money, I think. But I think
that when you when you want to say something positive
about Lindsey, it's that out of all the senators out there,
I think he was more authentic than a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Okay, yeah, No.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
It makes for terrible radio when the post actually stops
to process what you're saying instead of thinking about what
he's going to say while you're talking.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I need to think this through.
Speaker 12 (31:47):
I did ask for people's opinions, and what I love
to do is ask for people's opinions and then debate them.
And I'll debate them whether they're for or against Lindsey
Graham or anything else. I enjoy the pros sas you know,
the give and take, the repartee. I need to think
of this that that's that's an interesting perspective that no
one has offered the whole of the day.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
So I need to process this.
Speaker 15 (32:11):
I'm glad I waited in the rain.
Speaker 12 (32:14):
Thank you for your in law enforcement on multiple levels.
I had forgotten you were a capital police officer, but
I remember your other service and thank you for that.
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael very show is.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
On the air that she oughts a couple of months old,
and if you want to really see.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Something that said, take a look at what happened along
to the thief.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Part of why I admire and support Joe Biden is
that his tone has been geared towards trying to bring
us together.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
The Republican Party today is dominated, driven and intimidated by
Donald Trump and the Maggie Republicans, and.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
That is a threat to this country.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Others are directly pointing the finger at President Biden, with
of course no evidence that he incited this.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
We told ourselves that American democracy is guaranteed, but it's not.
We have to defend it, protect it, for it, each
and every one of us.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We're all called by.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Duty and conscious to confront extreamists will put their own
pursuit of power above all else.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'd like to take it behind the gym. If we're
in high school. We're in high school. I take you
behind the gym and beat the hell out of.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
A lot of people have tried to draw similarities between
Mussolini and Hitler and the use of the terminology like
vermin and the drive that those men had towards autocracy
and dictatorship. All he cares about is selfish self promotion.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
That's the only philosophy he has.
Speaker 7 (01:37):
A vote for Donald Trump may mean the last election
that you ever get to vote in. And again, I
don't say that lightly, and I think is heartbreaking that
that's where we are. But people have to recognize that
that vote for Donald Trump is a vote against the Constitution.
Speaker 8 (01:51):
And then the biggest threat that official they're telling me
tonight is in the form of retaliatory violencing.
Speaker 9 (01:58):
Just sit back on the sidelines and say, oh, well,
don't worry, this will all work itself out.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
They're still going to have to go out and put
a bullet in Donald Trump.
Speaker 8 (02:05):
And it is frankly unpatriotic at this moment to be
soaking the flames when we know that we are setting
on a cauldron attentions.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
The perission structure for violence.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
You've got polls about political violence Democrats don't think is
a good idea.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Only as.
Speaker 10 (02:26):
When was the last time an actor assassinator of the president?
Speaker 6 (02:30):
I have thought an all the lot about blowing up
in the wine house.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You have relieved the world land and you will pay
up ride.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
This is just a warning to you Trumpers, be careful,
walk likely, and for those of you who are soldiers,
make them pay.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I will go and take Trump out.
Speaker 11 (03:02):
To that for showing you this video on repeat, because
these events just happened. But we want to make clear
that this is something we are reporting to you as
a historic event as it unfolds. But we are very
mindful that this kind of event can inspire violence, it
can inspire retaliation, and we want no part of that.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Today.
Speaker 12 (03:31):
It was two years ago today in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
How quickly we forget.
Speaker 12 (03:38):
That the president was within an inch of dying at
the hands of an assassin. You want to know something fascinating.
I'll bet you know the name of the person who
shot Charlie Kirk, but you don't know the name of
the person who shot President Trump. The difference between those
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two shootings, fueled by the same mindset, was just an inch.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
It was just an inch. This would have been very different.
Speaker 12 (04:12):
We'll talk about the two year anniversary, which is what
today is of Butler, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
What it meant, the failings of the.
Speaker 12 (04:19):
Secret Service and others to create a situation where our
president was to die.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I guess I can't.
Speaker 12 (04:26):
Say I'm not a conspiracy theorist because well, I don't
enjoy conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I think a lot of people do. They like to
just sit and think up what's the craziest thing could happen.
Speaker 12 (04:37):
I don't, but I do find it interesting how many
things that I start I thinking it seems like a
conspiracy theory end up being true. I lived through COVID.
COVID didn't kill people the crazy conspiracy theories did. I mean,
you ask us to believe that nobody died from the
flu that year, and the same number of people died
(04:59):
from COVID as would have died from the flu, and
we paid for this thing that they told us started
in an open air, or the whole thing. I mean,
it strains credibility. But that was two years ago. We're
talking about that. But of course the big news one
one hundredth of the United States Senate died over the weekend,
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Lindsey Graham, and obviously Lindsey Graham, a four term senator
who was very likely to be re elected. The biggest
warmonger in the Senate, maybe the biggest warmonger of all time,
has passed his sister. I s today being tapped to
serve out his term until January. Third, of course, there'll
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be an election to determine who the nominee will be
in November, and then there will be a Republican nominee,
and we'll get into that in the coming days. I'm
not a big one for speculation or rushing these sorts
of things. I prefer things to happen and then to analyze.
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But what I want to do today is not going
to sit well with some of you, and I understand
that I do.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's not that I'm out here thinking I'm making you.
Speaker 12 (06:15):
Real happy and you're mad at me, okay, and that
I'm too stupid to know any better. I know that
the popular thing to do is to repeat the Trump
administration line and the media line, the Democrat center line
that Lindsey Graham was a good man and he's sort
of I don't believe that. I think Lindsay Graham did
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a lot of harm in our country. And I think
that a lot of our people died in wars where
they didn't need to be for as long as we
were there. And I think there are real consequences for
real people who don't have a platform to say those
sorts of things. I like this to be a safe
place for people to come and explore ideas that may
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not be mainstream or typical, or conventional, or or polite.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
And that's what we're going to do today.
Speaker 12 (07:05):
I know you don't want me to speak ill of
the dead, Okay, I will speak ill of Lindsey Graham's
service to the United States Senates in this country. I
think he cost a lot of American lives. I think
he's a representative of this want. I think he was
a terrible human being in that service, and I hope
his soul goes to heavy you drag.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And that's about as nice as I can be. We'll
take some costs coming up, crawl and listen to the
Tsar salt, my buddy, Michael Berry.
Speaker 12 (07:29):
Let's go straight to the calls, because I want to
get as many on as possible.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Kevin go.
Speaker 13 (07:35):
I think two things can exist at once. I mean,
I don't wish anybody dead. However, I don't think he
should be celebrated as any kind of champion for the
Republican Party. There was never a war that man never
wanted to get into. He always was pro war, quick
to send sons and daughters to die. He had none
to give. I think he's a problem with Washington, a
typical aristocracy who in front of the camera liked to
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champion all of these supposed Republican values he has. And
then probably behind closed doors, is smoking cigars, drinking cognac
with Pelosi and Schumer and the bunch. So yeah, I
don't get this. We have to celebrate these politicians like
their kings. I just don't. I don't get that at all.
Speaker 12 (08:16):
I don't know that cigars is what he's smoking. But
you know, he we thank you for the call.
Speaker 10 (08:24):
There.
Speaker 12 (08:25):
There is this thing in America that has been pushed
by the elected officials that they are the upper class,
they are the aristocracy. We must respect them and honor them.
And then they play the game to keep us engaged
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in their game. They play the sport of attacking each other.
And then you find out that they're all best friends, right,
and then and then the game continues, and then they die,
and then, oh my goodness, the whole nation must must mourn.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And this is our royalty. And that is a horrible, horrible.
Speaker 12 (09:08):
Way to conduct public policy, because at the end of
the day, and this is what gets forgotten. These are
not people to pay ten thousand dollars for a table
when the real point is you're getting a gripping grin
photo so you can put it up in your office
and when people come by, you're a rich and powerful
person because look at the connections you have, when really
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you're just shaking these people's hands and paying for their process.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But that's what people do. They worship these people.
Speaker 12 (09:35):
They get so angry at me for criticizing these people,
and then once they're dead, then they all coalesce and go, oh,
he was the greatest thing ever. You called him an
sob last week repeatedly, you which which one is real?
Why don't we admit there's a political class and they're
up there and we're down here.
Speaker 14 (09:57):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (09:58):
Codevilla was a author of the of the article that
Rush read that I think changed a lot of people's
minds about all of this once you understood it's not
left versus right, it's not republicans versus democrats. It's the
political process that the practitioners versus us and keeping us
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engaged and keeping us from revolution. And so no, I'm
not going to say he's a good guy. When, as
you said, he just wanted to send our boys off
to war. That's all he cared about. Joe, You're up,
go ahead, sir.
Speaker 10 (10:30):
Yeah, I want to echo what Kevin said. He's a
warmonger and it's sad that anybody dies, obviously, but yeah,
there's no worship things somebody.
Speaker 13 (10:44):
Like that that.
Speaker 10 (10:46):
It's all he wants to push is war, war, war,
So that's all I got to say. I have echo
what Kevin said, So.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Thank you brother.
Speaker 12 (10:58):
The fascination and for and constant advocacy of war.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Was disturbing on a.
Speaker 12 (11:07):
Level that we made fun of it as if that
was his porn.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
We're not the only ones to have done that. There
are a lot of other people to do that. You know.
Speaker 12 (11:21):
For the people who think that warmongers are somehow tough
or patriotic, spend a little time at Camp Hope.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
You know who's tough and patriotic.
Speaker 12 (11:31):
The guy from Willis High School or Crosby High School
or w. B Ray High School or Klein High School
who signs up and goes off to war and suffers
through war and comes home. That's who's tough, right, And
you will find that those guys are buying large, not
warmongers anymore. And those guys did not respect the warmongers,
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Lindsey Graham being the worst among them. This guy wanted
us in constant wars all the time. When you study empires,
and we are a soft empire, there's no question about that.
Our cultural influence capitalism is how we have exerted dominance
over the world, not dominion through colonies the way the
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British did. But if you want to diminish and destroy
an empire, to quote Ben Franklin, then you extend that
empire through foreign wars, costly foreign wars.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
History is replete.
Speaker 12 (12:31):
With example after example after example of Alexander the Greater
Kubla Khan, or Genghis Khan, or the Romans or anyone
else who are King George who extend themselves too far
into wars they can't afford and deplete their treasury and
their greatness, and the empire collapses. And it could happen
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to us as well. Gay Dave, I'm gonna come back
to you, so just hang tight. I know you'll stay
with me. Scott, you're up.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
And Michael, repeat all the things everybody's saying, but to me,
be honest, that President Trump has been running with the
Graham's presidency. I mean, this has been an absolute disaster
and nobody will say it. Trump is this warn I
RAN's going to be his legacy. It is the Rubio heagseeth.
They're all part of the same cabal. Man. They all
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make money from the industrial military complex. This is just
one of many things that I mean, they were art
rivals in twenty sixteen. I left the Republican Party when
I moved to Texas and Ron Paul was my congressman.
I never voted for Republican until for president. Until twenty twenty,
I voted for Trump. I voted for again in twenty
four Man, I'm freaking out. I'm out. I'm hoping Tucker
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Carlson and those guys create something. We get Tonas Massey back.
The fact that Trump with all guns against Massey, with
the Lindsey Graham cabal. It's been disgusting, man, and I'm done.
I'm over it. I'm not voting for call Ico, but
I'm not voting for Paston here. I'm going third party.
I'm voting libertarian again. Never thought i'd say it, but
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I'm back in it. I'm disgusted. That's all I got
to say.
Speaker 12 (14:09):
Why do you think Lindsey Graham went after Thomas Massey?
Speaker 9 (14:15):
Because Thomas Massey didn't want more. He was against spending.
He had he had three major principles and that was
our debt. He didn't want any foreign wars. And then
he became against the Epstein files. He wanted those release
based on what Pam Bondi had said was in it.
And those three things got him the kaboot by the
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by Apak and the Paul Singer billionaires that made all
the money off the Venezuelan oil fields. So that's what
got Thomas Massey out. And I hope he runs for
president in twenty twenty eight. He's got my full support,
and I think he's got a movement behind him. I
think he's going to have Tucker. I think he's going
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to have a Joe rogand O Bonn, all those podcasters
that get millions and millions of listeners. And it's gonna
be the Fox. It's gonna be them against the Fox
News boomers. That's what it is.
Speaker 12 (15:13):
It's going to be interesting to see if he runs
for the Senate seat that Mitch McConnell after August third,
will will when his death is announced after August third,
and that seat becomes open because Massey.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I don't know that Massey can win that seat. Thank
you for the call. By the way, I don't know that.
Speaker 12 (15:37):
Massey can win that seat, but I know he can
have a very very disruptive force in who is chosen,
which will be quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Bill, you're on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 14 (15:50):
Go ahead, Michael, thanks for taking our calls. Lindy Graham,
it was a dirt bag war monitoring and Thai American zionists.
He's no more patriot than Bill Gates is a philanthropist,
and that's all I gotta say.
Speaker 12 (16:08):
Flesh those out, if you would, because for a lot
of people, that will be the first that's a view
that is held by a number of people.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
But flesh out what.
Speaker 12 (16:19):
That means to people, because one of the things I
think about the political discussion, and I'm not trying to
advocate for or against you, is that a lot of
sort of more passive observers of politics will find some
of these things to be very disturbing, very very menacing,
very mean spirited or maybe marginal views.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Explain your position to someone who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Know them well.
Speaker 14 (16:48):
The first one is that the two main wars that
we're in now or support now is Ukraine and whatever
Israel does. And first in Ukraine, he was in Ukraine
and what twenty four saying, you.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Know your war is our war?
Speaker 14 (17:03):
Uh And in essence it is because we're funding it.
And if it weren't for us, then that would have
been over a long time ago. And all we're doing
is supporting Zelensky so that they can still read money
from the what Chelsy Gabber calls the military industrial complex,
and so they can cover their tracks and all the
nefarious things that were going on before this thing started.
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And then secondly, you know, he's he's one of the
although there are many biggest Zionists in Congress and they
don't care what Israel does, you know, keep throwing money
at them, and they all got you know, every every
person in the House or the Senate has an Israel
lobbyists assigned to them. And you know, I'm not such
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a big fan of Matthew, but to his credit, he
was the only one that didn't from what I understand,
I don't know if that's accurate or not, but from
what I heard, he is so you know, they're there
are advocates of other countries in doing things that they
shouldn't be doing. He seems to always take Israel's interests
over ours because our interests sort of shuttle that stuff
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down to not fund wars in the Middle East and
not fund wars in Eastern Europe, and to stay home
support our own people. As George Washington said, we should
have little to do with other countries than commerce.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Why do you think that changed?
Speaker 12 (18:31):
And why do you think, as you say, that Israel
more than other countries. Oh, don't let me put works
in your mouth. I'm trying to be to restate what
I think.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I hear you.
Speaker 14 (18:45):
Saying there is no bigger lobby in the United States
government than the Israel's lobby.
Speaker 13 (18:52):
They should be.
Speaker 14 (18:54):
Designated as what they call them foreign you know, foreign
interests or what. I forget what the designation is, but
they should be required to register as a foreign influence.
But they're not because they're too powerful.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Very interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 12 (19:15):
And when you come to these conclusions, as a lot
of people have, what are your sources of information? Where
do you go to look for independent because these aren't
obviously quote unquote mainstream traditional legacy media positions. Or traditional
political positions. Where do you go for independent thought that
other people might.
Speaker 14 (19:36):
Want to I get a lot of things from from telegram,
which is unfiltered. Yeah, you can't find the truth on
any broadcast media because they're all paid to advocate the
same positions and they all say the same read the
same scripts. So you've got to go outside of that
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to find any real truth.
Speaker 12 (20:01):
So your views are not sort of the typical or
the conventional, though I think a lot of people hold them.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
When would you say you.
Speaker 12 (20:09):
Began holding divergent views from what? What?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Either party in the mainstream media? A spouse?
Speaker 14 (20:20):
Probably the last So what is this twenty six? Sometime
around or just probably just before COVID because.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
COVID was a joke.
Speaker 15 (20:31):
I mean I ran.
Speaker 14 (20:32):
A small business at the time. In my contribution to
the you know, two weeks or so, the spread was
instead opening at nine, we opened at noon and said, okay,
as our you know that's going to be our sacrifice
is we're going to sleep in because I thought the
whole thing was a joke. I've had an employees that
would put those little six foot stickers on the floor,
say what do you do that for?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
They wear masks, and what.
Speaker 13 (20:53):
Do you think for that's stupid?
Speaker 14 (20:55):
Well, they said, you know, well that's but it's stupid.
It feels I have good friends that still wear those
silly things, and just like what, you know, what kool
aid are you drinking? And you probably told drink water instead.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (21:08):
You know what's crazy about that, though, is you know
I was raised in a very traditional home, a Christian home,
Southern Baptist. My mom stayed at home to raise us kids.
My dad went to the plant, he was a maintenance worker.
We respected the police, still do. We respected the government,
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We respected the media. We believed that there were institutions
of respect, and we wanted to be a respectable family too.
You know, there were things you didn't do because you
wanted to be respected the way you respected these institutions.
But we believed that when we were told stuff by
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a doctor, a medical institution, the National Institute of Health,
and you know, these were the NIH My goodness, these
were experts and healers and doctors were so well respected.
And so there was this idea that if a Fauci
type person claimed something to be the case, then by golly,
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who am I to question He's thee.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And here's the word that.
Speaker 12 (22:17):
Gets us in trouble, expert, And so I don't care
if it's a priest or for that matter, there have
been plenty of preachers molesting a child and getting away
with it because of their position, or a teacher or
a coach, and all of those that I've just mentioned
were positions of great authority, great respect, and great trust.
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And so I think that what we saw was a
collapse of a lot of those as people who entered
an otherwise honorable position, not always profession position, abused that
power and we watched other people say, well, that's okay,
because we're going to fall back on the trust and
respect we have of that person.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And I think that.
Speaker 12 (23:03):
Has reduced the institutional trust of the American people in
most everything. And here's the thing. I've reached an age
and a point in my own growth that I think
that's a good thing. Question everything, and I consider that
a more enlightened state. Now you can't keep such an
open mind that your brain falls out, But I do
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think it's very healthy to question why is the news
media lockstep telling us to wear a mask or take
a shot, or and then coming back later and telling us.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Oh that was all very bad for you.
Speaker 12 (23:35):
Well what about the consequences to the people who took it,
to the businesses that closed, to all the other things.
You know that that's something to think about. Thank you
for your call. Thank you for being willing to share
your very private thoughts with us.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
You clevel a cologne That one gets mess so crazy
it's almost like how could write it?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Girl and gay Dave. You are on the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 12 (24:00):
The question is your thoughts on the passing of Lindsey Graham.
Speaker 15 (24:05):
Hey Michael, first happy birthday to Ramone.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yes, I passed along your messages by.
Speaker 15 (24:12):
The way, good so you know. I was Capitol police
for six years when when Lindsay was congressman. And on
a positive note, I want to say that in person,
Lindsey Graham was a very friendly person who had no
problems just talking to you. Though I was just you know,
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a cop up there. He would have a conversation with you,
joke around with you, even talk about politics with you
if you wanted.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And I thought that was kind of cool about him
when a lot of them treated you like furniture.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
And you don't think you.
Speaker 15 (24:50):
I I don't think so, because at the time, I
wasn't even out.
Speaker 12 (24:55):
But okay, with you half, I mean have to be
asked that question right about me? Well, no, I mean
maybe he had a very advanced gate on.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Oh and oh maybe maybe his gatar was working.
Speaker 15 (25:12):
I don't know, but like my mom didn't even know,
so neither no one in my life had any clue, honestly.
Speaker 12 (25:22):
But okay, well you know that that's Look, I'm not
trying to get people to call in and beat him up.
If you were a Capitol Police officer and on a
personal level you found him to be engaging and polite
and kind, you know, that's the exact opposite of Shila
Jackson Lee. So let's say so let's mark that in
his favor. All right, it sounded like there was a
(25:43):
butt or a however or what. I'm not trying to
put words you mout, but go ahead.
Speaker 15 (25:48):
I even have a positive Shiela Jackson Lee story for you.
Sometimes you want.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Let's do Lindsey Grimm then come back to her.
Speaker 13 (25:55):
Okay.
Speaker 15 (25:57):
So the other thing I want to say in a
positive I mean it's sort of a positive way, maybe
a backhanded compliment is that at least you knew what
you were getting with Lindsay Graham. You knew he was
a warmoner. You knew that he believed, and I think
he really honestly believed, where a lot of them don't
believe that getting America to be the policeman of the
(26:21):
world was the right thing to do. And I don't
know that.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I don't know that.
Speaker 15 (26:27):
I honestly don't agree with that stance. But at least
you knew what you were getting with Lindsay Graham, and
the people of South Carolina kept electing him because and
they knew what they had in him. So a lot
of politicians kind of tell you one thing and then
do the other. At least with Lindsay Graham, he told
you what he believed and he stuck by it, you know.
(26:51):
And I also appreciate what he did during the you know,
the imputure and trial of Bill Clinton. I thought he
was maybe the smartest of the people who are prosecuting
that case. And I also thought that he.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Did, you know, a good job with the Brett Kavanaugh hearings.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
So I think that was his finest moment as a senator.
Speaker 15 (27:18):
Oh for sure, I agree, you know, go ahead.
Speaker 12 (27:24):
And you know that to be the case, you know,
that to be the case because Stephen Miller, who is
considered the brightest.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Guy in the in the uh uh.
Speaker 12 (27:40):
Trump administration, at least the real the real intellectual backbone
of the Trump administration. He's the one who said, uh,
you know, Lindsey Graham was our greatest advocate and all that,
and this was his finest moment. I think there is
an attempt to engender a lot of love for Lindsey Graham.
(28:06):
He was he was a I don't want to say
he was loyal. I think he was a guy who
was doing whatever it took at the moment for himself.
This is a guy who on and off trash Trump
and praise Trump and trash pump Trump. But Trump is
very transactional on his relationships. It's what has enabled him
(28:28):
to succeed for such a long time. He can be
your friend on Monday, your enemy on Tuesday, your friend
again on Wednesday. He can prop you up to help
you get reelected, and he can work very hard to
keep you from getting re elected and work for your
And that's you know, there are gonna be people who
are mad because I'm not. You know that They just
(28:48):
need to hear me say Trump is Jesus, and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Going to do that. But he's very, very able to pivot.
Speaker 12 (28:55):
And this is his business background, because because some days
somebody's your friend and some days there your enemy. And
I think it's going to be very important to the
Trump administration to to parley the the untimely death of
Lindsey Graham into a what a great.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Guy he is and he loved me guy.
Speaker 12 (29:17):
And I think that they hold the Senate seat in
South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
The governor's very close to Trump. He's a big maga guy,
and he's.
Speaker 12 (29:25):
Expected to to to do the things necessary. And we'll
get to that maybe on tomorrow's show, the timeline of
how this whole thing is going to work out, because
it gets a little bit in the weeds. But but
I do think that that we hold onto that Senate seat.
You know, look at what we've done in Maine and
in Texas, how hard we're struggling to hold onto Senate
seats there. You know, any one Senate seat that you lose,
(29:49):
whether a Democrat holds onto reelection or worse, a Republican
falls to a Democrat, you can't in today's Senate.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
You just you can't do that. Gay Dave. I don't
know if if I allowed you.
Speaker 12 (30:01):
To finish your comments on the policies and politics of
Lindsey Graham, but if I didn't go.
Speaker 15 (30:06):
Ahead, Well, he said something that you know, touchdong kind
of what I wanted to say, and that you know,
Lindsey went back and forth on praising and you know,
saying bad things about Trump.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And that goes ways by the way Trump. Trump did
the same right for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
And but when Trump does it, he doesn't at a
you know, because he's mad at a person, or you know,
he doesn't actually always think about what the meaning behind
it was. And I think with Lindsay Graham when he
was criticizing Trump, it was because he believed Trump was
doing something wrong, and it was more of a policy
(30:46):
thing than it was a personal thing.
Speaker 15 (30:48):
With Trump, it gets very personal.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I think that's the difference with Lindsey Graham and he
and you might, you know, you might think he's inauthentic,
but I honestly don't think he is. I think I
think he was pretty concern with his belief and he
held pretty strongly to what he believed.
Speaker 15 (31:05):
And I don't agree with him. I wouldn't have voted
for him. I would have voted for you know that
guy that was from that businessman that ran ran against him.
I actually set the money, I think. But I think
that when you when you want to say something positive
about Lindsey, it's that out of all the senators out there,
I think he was more authentic than a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Okay, yeah, No.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
It makes for terrible radio when the post actually stops
to process what you're saying instead of thinking about what
he's going to say while you're talking.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I need to think this through.
Speaker 12 (31:47):
I did ask for people's opinions, and what I love
to do is ask for people's opinions and then debate them.
And I'll debate them whether they're for or against Lindsey
Graham or anything else. I enjoy the pros sas you know,
the give and take, the repartee. I need to think
of this that that's that's an interesting perspective that no
one has offered the whole of the day.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
So I need to process this.
Speaker 15 (32:11):
I'm glad I waited in the rain.
Speaker 12 (32:14):
Thank you for your in law enforcement on multiple levels.
I had forgotten you were a capital police officer, but
I remember your other service and thank you for that.
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