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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It was reported that you continue to meet with him
over several years, and that, in other words, a number
of meetings.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
What did you do when you found out about his
back line?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Well, you know, I've said I regretted having those dinners,
and there's nothing, absolutely nothing new on that.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
This has been the most it looks like at least
the most significant of the releases of Epstein files. I
want to talk about Bill Gates first because emails from
Jeffrey Epstein himself claimed that the Microsoft founder contracted a
sexually transmitted disease even tried to secretly give his then
wife Melinda antibiotics.
Speaker 6 (00:55):
This morning, new questions are swirling around the state of
Bill and Melinda Gates his marriage leading up to last
week's divorce announcement. Last week, the multi billionaires announced in
a joint statement they were ending their twenty five year
marriage because we no longer believe we can grow together
as a couple. One source of concern for Melinda, a
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global advocate for women and girls, was Bill's dealings with
convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
According to documents, obtained by the journal.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Melinda and her advisors held a number of calls with
divorce lawyers in October twenty nineteen. The same month, The
New York Times first reported that Bill met with Epstein
on numerous occasions starting in twenty eleven, after Epstein had
served time for soliciting prostitution.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
The emails in the files suggest that Bill Gates had
additional affairs, and that he.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Tried to get medication to treat a sexually transmitted infection.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I wonder what your dominant emotion is when you read.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
These news articles with these details.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Sad, just unbelievable sadness. I left my marriage. I had
to leave my marriage. I wanted to leave my marriage.
Speaker 7 (02:02):
I had to leave.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
The I felt I needed to eventually leave the foundation.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
So it's just sad.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
That's the truth, right, And and it's.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Kind of like, at least for me, I've been able
to new voll in my.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Bill Gates is turning his focus from software to hardware.
The Microsoft founder is giving a one hundred thousand dollars
grant to whomever can build a better condom. It's part
of his Grand Challenges initiative. The goal is to make
a condom that feels good enough for men around the
world to want to wear it and to therefore, very
importantly to prevent disease and un wanting to.
Speaker 8 (02:37):
The Washington Post has slashed thirty percent of their workforce
three hundred jobs, eliminating their sports section, their books coverage,
and gutting their foreign and local reporting, and.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Some are.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
Decrying this as the end of democracy. It is not
the end of democracy. Let me start by saying, no
matter how much I hate what The Washington Post has
stood for, I do not delight in watching someone lose
their job. I believe the free market should be such
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that they should lose their jobs.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
If what they.
Speaker 8 (03:26):
Do is repugnant to their audience, and I think it
is and has been. I don't delight in the economic
misery of people. But I also don't hope they financially
succeed when I believe that what they're doing is contrary
to our country being as great as it should be,
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nor when I think they hate most Americans, particularly Middle America, geographically, financially, economically, socially.
I don't mind them failing in that sense. I don't
mind their investment failing to perform. I want good things
to prosper and bad things to fail. So while it's unfortunate,
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the marketplace works, but that would be a little koy
of me to say my own company, in every media
company has laid off people for the last consistently for
the last twenty years. And let me try to explain
the business model of media for a moment. I'll give
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you the side that I'm on, which is radio and podcast.
When I started in radio and podcasts twenty years ago
in the news talk format, the news talk format was
not a dominant format. Back then, news talk was really news.
In fact, the station I worked for was kJ H
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News Radio. There was no talk in the format you
would have back then was radio news, almost competing with
print news, and print for a long time had been
the dominant news force and source the daily newspaper. I
grew up geeking out over the daily newspaper. I would
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pride myself on knowing the name of the paper of
record in every major city in this country. Who didn't
love to say the New Orleans pick I un? I mean,
come on, who doesn't know the paper that exposed Gary
Hart on the risky monkey business. Who doesn't remember the
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girl that he was with I know you do. Who
doesn't know the names of the papers in New York
or Baltimore or Chicago, or who carried Mike Royko or
Los Angeles or Houston's Post and Chronicle back when we
had two major papers, of course Dallas Morning News. I mean,
these are names that were legendary, right, But the business
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of media changed. And that's not all a repudiation of
the Washington Post in New York Times and everything they
stood for, but it is largely because the means of
production and distribution were prohibitive to competition. It wasn't so
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long ago that Joe Rogan couldn't compete with the Washington
Post or New York Times, but he can today. For influence,
he can, as can a lot of people. If you
didn't have a distribution outlet that was owned by a
major corporation, you could not have an influence over the
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direction of this country.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Today that has changed.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
You can literally have a phone and an Internet connection,
and if the power of what you have to say
is good enough, you can have a YouTube channel. You
can start a podcast tomorrow. When podcasting really started picking
up about sixteen seventeen years ago, I went to a
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radio convention, and they were very worried. And podcasting is evil.
Podcasting is awful. And I remember saying to people at
the time, if a guy with a day job can
do this at night and beat you, which is what
you're scared of, then you're not.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Very good at what you do.
Speaker 8 (07:35):
That's along on the subject of the Washington Post slaying
off thirty percent of their staff and cutting entire departments.
I see a lot of people who make comments about
the business of media who don't seem to know what
they're talking about, many of them from within or formerly
within the media business. First of all, you need to
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understand this, whether it's it's TV, radio or newspapers. Anybody
who is retired from media believes that corporations are idiots
and they don't know how to run media outlets. They
are certain of it, and they're so sour and cynical
that they will be glad to tell you and anyone
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else that whatever industry they're in has gone to hell.
They knew everything, and nobody else knew anything, and all
the greats have been let go and the industry went
to hell. And that's pretty much true of every person
as they age that cynicism creeps in. Nothing's good anymore.
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You know, you ask your average person as their age,
and nothing's good anymore. Roller Coasters aren't good like they
used to be. TV's not good like it used to be.
Music's not good like it used to be. Food's not
good like it used to be. A good poop's not
good like it used to be. Sexy and good the
way it used to be. Girls aren't pretty the way
they used to be. They're not fun, They're not this,
they're not that. Cars aren't good like they used to be.
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Air travel is not good like everything used to be good.
Now it's all bad. That's been happening since the beginning
of time. That's why there's the phrase of good old days.
The good old days are the times that never were,
but we remember them to be. So if you ask
anyone in media who is on the backside of their
career are gone, they'll tell you that their industry's gone
to hell, when in fact, what happened was their industry,
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like everything else, evolved and it evolved differently for the
people within the industry than it did for the consumer,
and it did for the investor. First of all, most
industries became more competitive because you no longer had silos
where one company had a dominant influence.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
New York Times had the run of the nation.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
They were kind of the nation's paper of record for
a very long time, and the only competitor of that
was the Washington Post, and really only on politics. New
York Times had an outsized influence. And that's not a
good idea, that's not a healthy thing. And then over
a period of time, the rise of certain personalities was witnessed,
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Rush Limball being the greatest example, but there are plenty
of others where alternate forms of distribution meant that content
could be sent to a broader path, a broader swash
of people, for less money and make it and put
a business behind it to make it monetizable. So the
news stations that existed up till about ninety Rush went
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national on August first, nineteen eighty eight, with fifty five,
let's see fifty six stations. But that wasn't the Rush
Limball show you would see within just a few short years,
and there wasn't really a business model for it per se.
Most of what are now news talk stations are really
more conservative talk stations with some news and most of
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those stations back then that called themselves news stations. You
couldn't monetize or really deliver a news product twenty four
hours a day. It's impossible. I mean, you're ask how
many reporters you'd have to have, how many anchors? So
what they did is they started selling time brokering, time
block timing, block programming, and they would sell it to
the kinds of people who were already news listeners on
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the radio, which is older white people.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
What do those people love? Home improvement, gardening.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
You might throw some Tom Martino consumer affairs, but Martino
was hard to put on the air because he was
constantly going after businesses for what he considered bad practices,
and eventually he's going after one of your businesses, that's
your best advertiser, and then they're not going to advertise anymore.
So the station stopped carrying Martino, so you were left
with home improvement and gardening, and that's what most stations,
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including my flagship in Houston, were far later than you
would remember. And then Rush really changed everything with talk
that had had a core listenership, and they did something
very smart. Did ABC who first started syndicating him, and
that was they didn't put him in morning drive or
evening drive. That's when stations are at their most competitive,
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their morning guy and their evening guy, or their morning
show and their evening show. That's why if you listen
to an FM station, the big personality is going to
be first and foremost the morning guy, and then the
secondary is going to be the evening drive time guy.
And the middle of the day was dead radio. Some
stations didn't have an anchor or a personality on they
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were running. And so Rush had the big fish in
the small pond opportunity in every new market to run
Central eleven to two or noon to three Easter, and
of course nine to noon Western, And in relatively short
order he caught fire and programmers started recognizing and station ownership,
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which was largely independent station ownership station state by state.
Now it's more of a conglomerate. But back then they
start looking at saying, hey, we can attract a lot
of people, and then you know, sell the advertising for that,
and so the few thousand we're getting off broken time
is not nearly as valuable as putting Rush on. And
in short order the syndicator came in and said, hey,
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if we got this listener from eleven to two that
isn't listening to the rest of the day. Let's give
them a continuation of conservative talk from two to five Central.
So that's when Hannity was brought in, and then you
ended up with Beck before that, And in time, the
industry has evolved, and that's where we are today, and
it continues to evolve. But the reason the Wall Street Journal, sorry,
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the reason Washington Post is laying off people is they're
not making more than they're spending, and people aren't advertising
or paying for subscriptions with them. And I think part
of that is they've alienated a lot of their audience.
But I also I think it's being run more as
a business. It's not Catherine Graham's newspaper anymore. It's not
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Ben Bradley's newspaper anymore. It's not Woodward and Woodward and Bernstein,
for better or for worse, it's not that. And the
audience of newspaper viewers, the liberal audience is already so
super served by ABC, CBS, NBC late night television that
they don't feel they need to go anywhere for a
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liberal paper to read. They're already being super served everywhere
they are right. So conservatives feel that they're not being
served by late night TV. Although Gutfell's doing well. Conservatives
are more likely to aggressively actively go out and pursue
reading an outlet that they feel will give them the
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truth in a manner that they want to see that's
more honest.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
And that's not the Washington Post.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
And so when you don't have the people there, and
when you don't have the companies putting their name behind it,
you don't have money. You can't afford the payroll. They're
changing people. Advertising has gone to different outlets now, and
that's not the Washington Post. This is how the market works,
and it's a good thing if you almost have a
gift on living credit. First, he somehow got himself canceled
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by his own people. He is a gay, black liberal.
How do you cancel that guy? He checks all the
intersectional boxes. They want to keep him around. I mean,
you got to really work to get fired if you're
a gay, black liberal journalist gets fired from CNN.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Career essentially over. But hold on. He saw an opportunity
and he sees it being broken.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Hungry is a power, powerful motivator. I'm going to join
these protesters. I'm gonna go trespass over private property. I'm
going to storm a church. I'll create a firestorm.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I'll be in the news again. She's like Jess Smilab
my hero.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
Well, that did get him publicity alone with being arrested,
but I don't think he really minded because added to
the publicity and then people reported. You know, these people
have to stay in the news. Podcasters they have to
stay in the news. Actors they have to stay in
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the news. They have to be remembered, top of mind.
Sometimes you got to do stupid stuff to stay in
the news, and then you had to cackling hens from
the View. I'm never really sure who the audience of
the View is. I don't know anybody who watches the View.
I just know a lot of people who are mad
about the stupid stuff the View says. There is a
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programming strategy. It's now an accepted fact that you understand
that nobody is watching your program. Your job is to
say things and then shoot it to the other side
so that they'll talk about it, and that way you
will get eyes on your website and you'll get some
people who will grudge watch. And that's what happens. So,
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as far as the view is concerned, Don Lemon, he's
just a journalist who embedded himself in the story.
Speaker 9 (17:32):
I think people need to remember that journalists embed themselves
in protests, embed themselves with the government, and bet themselves
and campaigns and bet themselves in police activity all the time.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
That is the practice of journalisms.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
So the fact that he was at a protest embedded
in it life is perfectly normal. It is not a
crime to be a journalist. No, but even if he
was protesting, it is guaranteed by the.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Under the First Amendment. Yeah, how's it right? He wasfering it.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
They don't know what the trauma. They don't know what
the First Amendment is. If we're understanding what the First
Amendment means, so let's just allow these journalists to help
commit violent crimes while we're at it, because they're journalists
after all. After all, they're just embedding themselves in the story.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
Goodie me Barren Steele reporting for KMBS or an exclusive
look at Today's rise in violent crime. I've embedded myself
with a group of local robbers to better understand their process.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Right now, I'm in the Ghetaway book.
Speaker 10 (18:39):
The suspects are reviewing what they're calling the plan, which
appears to be a.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Bunch of masks and a double back.
Speaker 10 (18:46):
Now for journalistic integrity, I am also wearing a ski mask,
purely observation.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
Now they've handed me a shotgun. I believe this is
for perspective for approaching the bacon now and I must
say tensions are high. The robbers say they're feeling locked in.
One describes the vibe as go time. We're inside down.
Customers are lying on the floor to avoid influencing the story.
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Ah yeah, Grandma, give me all the money, shots of
a Drindal and fill the room. I'm gonna die.
Speaker 10 (19:17):
Suspect has asked me to grab the money. I want
to be clear, this is not participation. This is immersive reporting.
The bag is surprisingly heavy, mostly twenties. Now the police
are on their way, which the group calls Nazis. We're
running now.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
To capture the full experience.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Whoo, what a rush boys in conclusion.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Experts say this first hand approach provides valuable context and
possibly twenty five years reporting live from the backseat of
a getaway car. I'm baron steel for Kobs.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
Black History Month doesn't seem to be anything anybody cares
about it anymore. I think the white protesters in Minneapolis
took all that away. But we made it a policy
for several years to every day or two during February
to offer counterpoints to the prevailing narrative, mostly offered by
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white liberals, of what blackness is in this country, the
cultural appropriation of what blackness is by white liberals.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
In my response to that is.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
I have a better idea of what black should be
and shouldn't how to be successful than the white liberals do.
But to that end we have we have made it
a practice to play for you bits of audio and
share perspectives of people who have a different view of blackness.
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Morgan Freeman is an interesting case because Morgan Freeman will
come out sometimes and say something and make you think
he's just a piss off old black dude who hates
white people.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
And maybe he does.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
But like Bill Cosby used to do, and again you
say Bill Cosby and people giggle Bill Cosby, the merit
of his words were worthwhile. He did some really dumb things,
some really awful things, apparently I don't know, but would
appear that he did. But he had some things to
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say that were useful, and the merit of your words
should stand alone aside from what you said. Karl Marx,
for instance, a hero to the left was a vile,
degenerate of an individual who lived off of rich women
who liked having him around like a little toy they
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could carry around on a leash at their parties, and
he would spout things that the ladies, uh, the the
ladies of royalty of Europe would be so impressed by.
But years ago, Morgan Friedman sat down with Mike Wallace
and Redman had been an open critic of the concept
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of Black History Month, and Wallace asked him why, and
he said, this Black History Month?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
You find ridiculous. What You're going to relegate my history
to my month? Oh? Come, what do you do with yours?
Which month is White History Month?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Come on tell me, well, I'm Jewish?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Okay, which month is Jewish History Month? There isn't one.
Oh oh, why not? Do you want one?
Speaker 11 (22:52):
No? No, no, I don't either. I don't want a
Black History month. Black is the American history. How are
we going to get rid of racism?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
And stopped talking about it? I'm going to stop calling
you a white.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
Man, and I'm going to ask you to stop calling.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Me a black man. I know you as Mike lawtas
you know me as Morman family. So that's smart, ALKI.
Speaker 12 (23:23):
Michael Berry, a Detroit Lion season ticket holder who was
grabbed and nearly punched Steelers wide receiver DK Metcalf after
exchanging words, has filed one hundred million dollar lawsuit because
multiple media outlets claimed he said the in word despite
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zero witnesses, along with no video or audio evidence supporting
the claim.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
In the suit, he names Shannon Sharp and Chad Johnson,
among others. His attorney says, quote, the in word is
the most offensive and inflamma toy racial slur in the
English language. No other word expresses so much hatred and bigotry.
Falseley accusing someone of using that word hurts not only
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the person falsely accused, but hurts every true victim of
racial hatred and bigotry.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Oh that's a lie. Well, okay, Fox two with the story.
Speaker 13 (24:23):
They will detail this one hundred million dollar lawsuit and
exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
What led up to this.
Speaker 13 (24:32):
It does claim defamation of character following that altercation in
the stands here at Ford Field during that Steelers game
back in December, and that altercation between Ryan Kennedy and
Steelers stand out DK Metcalf. It did make national headlines
and it was played over and over again. It does
allege that Kennedy made racial and derogatory slurs at that time,
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something that he is adamantly denied, setting off Metcalf, that
and allegedly leading to an assault. Those claims that they
were repeated and published by some major media outlets and
even overheard on a popular podcast featuring NFL legend Chad
Ocho Cinco Johnson. Now a number of people now listed
in that one hundred million dollar lawsuit. We did speak
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with the local attorney who has no connection to this
case but is offering some insight.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Here's what he had to.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Say partying Ford being soup. We talked a little bit
about that before we came on, Ford would have had
to foresee that there was going to be this assault.
You're not gonna be able to prove that Ford knew
that that was going to happen or was negligent in
some way.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's my opinion, still upon the law.
Speaker 13 (25:41):
Now, Kennedy says that he has received hate mail that
he's gotten on death threats and that the situation has
damaged his business reputation.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
There's a lot to unpack right there, but let me
try real quick.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So to start with.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Players and fans interacting and fighting, I think that ninety
nine percent of the time there is a fan player
interaction to fan is at fault. To start with, the
player is not drunk. The fan usually is number one.
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Number two. Fans seem to think that because they've paid
money for a ticket, good money, a lot of money,
and then overpaid for a beer and maybe a hot
dogs some other things, and because they're a really big fan,
you see, because I'm a really big fan, I can
do whatever I want. Hey, guy, we're arresting you for
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peeing in public on the field and throwing your jersey
and calling women nasty names.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But I'm a big fan of the team. Yeah that's
not a defense. But I'm your biggest fan. No, that's
not a defense. You're out, You're never coming back.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
So, to start with, there is the fans side of this,
and that is how many fans think that a professional
sporting event is the place to act out, to cuss
people out, to harass people, to want to fight. It's not,
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and it shouldn't be. But what's going on on the field.
Let's be honest. Let's take a football game. What's going
on on the field, grown men smashing into each other
would be felonies if it was happening in the streets.
It is a controlled environment of violence. You remember what
Vince Lombardi said about that. Someone said, Someone said to
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Lombardi that football is a contact sport. He said, no,
ballroom dancing is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.
There are people who become paralyzed. There are people who
can't walk well for the rest of their lives. It's
a violent sport. You couldn't do that in a bar,
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couldn't do that outside there and a lot of folks
up in the fans, up in the stands get fired up.
Plus is the inflamed passion. They hate their wife, they
hate their kids, they hate their job, they're bad about politics,
and this is the one place they can go and
scream and holler and act a fool. A couple that
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were drinking a lot of beers, and they make mad decisions,
often related to players who they think are there as
props to take their nonsense.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I don't think they are.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
When when Vernon Maxwell Mad Max went up in the
stands because a fan made a very nasty comment about
Vernon Maxwell's child, I wish Vernon Maxwell would have shattered
the guy's face bones. I don't believe that's an appropriate
thing to do. Run our test crazy as he can be.
I don't believe you should be taunting a guy like that.
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I don't believe you paid for that, right people think
they do. I don't we disagree? Well, if you played
pro sports, you signed up for that.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
No you didn't.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
By the way, I also don't think the ups should
have to listen to you say the awful things you say.
And most of those guys are pretty hooked up. I
like to see a couple of them come up in
the stands and show a guy you wouldn't want somebody
talking to your brother, sister, father, mother that way? What
makes you think you? Oh, but I'm a big fan,
you know, I get really into the game. Who said
that's okay? Why don't you talk to politicians that way?
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Try that with a politician, See how fast it turns
on you. But the other thing is the racial side.
They accuse him of saying the in word, and he didn't.
So the part that bothers me about all of this
is they're arguing, so, first of it's a false claim
of the in word, But how'd the in word get
to be so powerful? How is it worse to insult
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a black person than anybody else? That doesn't make any sense,
But everybody thinks that's okay, that's dumb, and you've taught
black people that they should be so offended by it,
and that's why they run around using it. Is just
it is just sapid of any value. The whole concept
of this in word, inWORD inward is so stupid. It's
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a sign of a stupid culture that we spend so
much time on the damn thing, and then when you
make it the thing that you can't say, you make
people want to say it.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
It's just so stupid.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
The whole thing is so stupid. It reminds me that
John Mulaney bit.
Speaker 14 (30:31):
It's wrong to make fun of people, you know, but
it's so fun sometimes. I've written for some TV shows,
and you know, on a major TV show, you have
to be careful about what you say about people because
a lot of people can get offended.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Or so it has been explained to me. I was once.
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 14 (30:46):
I was writing for an awards show once and I
got into some trouble. I wrote a joke for this
awards show that had the word midget in it, and
someone from the network came down to our offices and
he said to me, hey, you can't put the word
midget on TV. And I said, I sure would like to,
and he said, no, midget is as bad as the
N word. First off, no, no it's not. Do you
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know how I know it's not, I said to him,
is because we're saying the word midget and we're not
even saying what the N word is. If you're comparing
the badness of two words and you won't even say
one of them, that's the worst word. Also, I don't
mean the gloss over, but like little people have been
through in this country, but you cannot compare the plight
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of midgets to African Americans.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
That is outrageous.
Speaker 14 (31:38):
Midgets were never enslaved, unless you count the walka factory.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
So we get into this argument. We're going back and forth.
Speaker 14 (31:47):
He goes, you can't put that word on TV, and
I said I want to, and he goes, if you
put that word on TV there could be a protest
of midgets on this building, and I said, promise me.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Alice has saved good thank you, and good night.
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It was reported that you continue to meet with him
over several years, and that, in other words, a number
of meetings.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
What did you do when you found out about his
back line?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Well, you know, I've said I regretted having those dinners,
and there's nothing, absolutely nothing new on that.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
This has been the most it looks like at least
the most significant of the releases of Epstein files. I
want to talk about Bill Gates first because emails from
Jeffrey Epstein himself claimed that the Microsoft founder contracted a
sexually transmitted disease even tried to secretly give his then
wife Melinda antibiotics.
Speaker 6 (00:55):
This morning, new questions are swirling around the state of
Bill and Melinda Gates his marriage leading up to last
week's divorce announcement. Last week, the multi billionaires announced in
a joint statement they were ending their twenty five year
marriage because we no longer believe we can grow together
as a couple. One source of concern for Melinda, a
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global advocate for women and girls, was Bill's dealings with
convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
According to documents, obtained by the journal.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Melinda and her advisors held a number of calls with
divorce lawyers in October twenty nineteen. The same month, The
New York Times first reported that Bill met with Epstein
on numerous occasions starting in twenty eleven, after Epstein had
served time for soliciting prostitution.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
The emails in the files suggest that Bill Gates had
additional affairs, and that he.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Tried to get medication to treat a sexually transmitted infection.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I wonder what your dominant emotion is when you read.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
These news articles with these details.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Sad, just unbelievable sadness. I left my marriage. I had
to leave my marriage. I wanted to leave my marriage.
Speaker 7 (02:02):
I had to leave.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
The I felt I needed to eventually leave the foundation.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
So it's just sad.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
That's the truth, right, And and it's.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Kind of like, at least for me, I've been able
to new voll in my.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Bill Gates is turning his focus from software to hardware.
The Microsoft founder is giving a one hundred thousand dollars
grant to whomever can build a better condom. It's part
of his Grand Challenges initiative. The goal is to make
a condom that feels good enough for men around the
world to want to wear it and to therefore, very
importantly to prevent disease and un wanting to.
Speaker 8 (02:37):
The Washington Post has slashed thirty percent of their workforce
three hundred jobs, eliminating their sports section, their books coverage,
and gutting their foreign and local reporting, and.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Some are.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
Decrying this as the end of democracy. It is not
the end of democracy. Let me start by saying, no
matter how much I hate what The Washington Post has
stood for, I do not delight in watching someone lose
their job. I believe the free market should be such
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that they should lose their jobs.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
If what they.
Speaker 8 (03:26):
Do is repugnant to their audience, and I think it
is and has been. I don't delight in the economic
misery of people. But I also don't hope they financially
succeed when I believe that what they're doing is contrary
to our country being as great as it should be,
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nor when I think they hate most Americans, particularly Middle America, geographically, financially, economically, socially.
I don't mind them failing in that sense. I don't
mind their investment failing to perform. I want good things
to prosper and bad things to fail. So while it's unfortunate,
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the marketplace works, but that would be a little koy
of me to say my own company, in every media
company has laid off people for the last consistently for
the last twenty years. And let me try to explain
the business model of media for a moment. I'll give
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you the side that I'm on, which is radio and podcast.
When I started in radio and podcasts twenty years ago
in the news talk format, the news talk format was
not a dominant format. Back then, news talk was really news.
In fact, the station I worked for was kJ H
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News Radio. There was no talk in the format you
would have back then was radio news, almost competing with
print news, and print for a long time had been
the dominant news force and source the daily newspaper. I
grew up geeking out over the daily newspaper. I would
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pride myself on knowing the name of the paper of
record in every major city in this country. Who didn't
love to say the New Orleans pick I un? I mean,
come on, who doesn't know the paper that exposed Gary
Hart on the risky monkey business. Who doesn't remember the
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girl that he was with I know you do. Who
doesn't know the names of the papers in New York
or Baltimore or Chicago, or who carried Mike Royko or
Los Angeles or Houston's Post and Chronicle back when we
had two major papers, of course Dallas Morning News. I mean,
these are names that were legendary, right, But the business
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of media changed. And that's not all a repudiation of
the Washington Post in New York Times and everything they
stood for, but it is largely because the means of
production and distribution were prohibitive to competition. It wasn't so
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long ago that Joe Rogan couldn't compete with the Washington
Post or New York Times, but he can today. For influence,
he can, as can a lot of people. If you
didn't have a distribution outlet that was owned by a
major corporation, you could not have an influence over the
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direction of this country.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Today that has changed.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
You can literally have a phone and an Internet connection,
and if the power of what you have to say
is good enough, you can have a YouTube channel. You
can start a podcast tomorrow. When podcasting really started picking
up about sixteen seventeen years ago, I went to a
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radio convention, and they were very worried. And podcasting is evil.
Podcasting is awful. And I remember saying to people at
the time, if a guy with a day job can
do this at night and beat you, which is what
you're scared of, then you're not.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Very good at what you do.
Speaker 8 (07:35):
That's along on the subject of the Washington Post slaying
off thirty percent of their staff and cutting entire departments.
I see a lot of people who make comments about
the business of media who don't seem to know what
they're talking about, many of them from within or formerly
within the media business. First of all, you need to
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understand this, whether it's it's TV, radio or newspapers. Anybody
who is retired from media believes that corporations are idiots
and they don't know how to run media outlets. They
are certain of it, and they're so sour and cynical
that they will be glad to tell you and anyone
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else that whatever industry they're in has gone to hell.
They knew everything, and nobody else knew anything, and all
the greats have been let go and the industry went
to hell. And that's pretty much true of every person
as they age that cynicism creeps in. Nothing's good anymore.
(08:40):
You know, you ask your average person as their age,
and nothing's good anymore. Roller Coasters aren't good like they
used to be. TV's not good like it used to be.
Music's not good like it used to be. Food's not
good like it used to be. A good poop's not
good like it used to be. Sexy and good the
way it used to be. Girls aren't pretty the way
they used to be. They're not fun, They're not this,
they're not that. Cars aren't good like they used to be.
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Air travel is not good like everything used to be good.
Now it's all bad. That's been happening since the beginning
of time. That's why there's the phrase of good old days.
The good old days are the times that never were,
but we remember them to be. So if you ask
anyone in media who is on the backside of their
career are gone, they'll tell you that their industry's gone
to hell, when in fact, what happened was their industry,
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like everything else, evolved and it evolved differently for the
people within the industry than it did for the consumer,
and it did for the investor. First of all, most
industries became more competitive because you no longer had silos
where one company had a dominant influence.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
New York Times had the run of the nation.
Speaker 8 (09:45):
They were kind of the nation's paper of record for
a very long time, and the only competitor of that
was the Washington Post, and really only on politics. New
York Times had an outsized influence. And that's not a
good idea, that's not a healthy thing. And then over
a period of time, the rise of certain personalities was witnessed,
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Rush Limball being the greatest example, but there are plenty
of others where alternate forms of distribution meant that content
could be sent to a broader path, a broader swash
of people, for less money and make it and put
a business behind it to make it monetizable. So the
news stations that existed up till about ninety Rush went
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national on August first, nineteen eighty eight, with fifty five,
let's see fifty six stations. But that wasn't the Rush
Limball show you would see within just a few short years,
and there wasn't really a business model for it per se.
Most of what are now news talk stations are really
more conservative talk stations with some news and most of
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those stations back then that called themselves news stations. You
couldn't monetize or really deliver a news product twenty four
hours a day. It's impossible. I mean, you're ask how
many reporters you'd have to have, how many anchors? So
what they did is they started selling time brokering, time
block timing, block programming, and they would sell it to
the kinds of people who were already news listeners on
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the radio, which is older white people.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
What do those people love? Home improvement, gardening.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
You might throw some Tom Martino consumer affairs, but Martino
was hard to put on the air because he was
constantly going after businesses for what he considered bad practices,
and eventually he's going after one of your businesses, that's
your best advertiser, and then they're not going to advertise anymore.
So the station stopped carrying Martino, so you were left
with home improvement and gardening, and that's what most stations,
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including my flagship in Houston, were far later than you
would remember. And then Rush really changed everything with talk
that had had a core listenership, and they did something
very smart. Did ABC who first started syndicating him, and
that was they didn't put him in morning drive or
evening drive. That's when stations are at their most competitive,
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their morning guy and their evening guy, or their morning
show and their evening show. That's why if you listen
to an FM station, the big personality is going to
be first and foremost the morning guy, and then the
secondary is going to be the evening drive time guy.
And the middle of the day was dead radio. Some
stations didn't have an anchor or a personality on they
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were running. And so Rush had the big fish in
the small pond opportunity in every new market to run
Central eleven to two or noon to three Easter, and
of course nine to noon Western, And in relatively short
order he caught fire and programmers started recognizing and station ownership,
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which was largely independent station ownership station state by state.
Now it's more of a conglomerate. But back then they
start looking at saying, hey, we can attract a lot
of people, and then you know, sell the advertising for that,
and so the few thousand we're getting off broken time
is not nearly as valuable as putting Rush on. And
in short order the syndicator came in and said, hey,
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if we got this listener from eleven to two that
isn't listening to the rest of the day. Let's give
them a continuation of conservative talk from two to five Central.
So that's when Hannity was brought in, and then you
ended up with Beck before that, And in time, the
industry has evolved, and that's where we are today, and
it continues to evolve. But the reason the Wall Street Journal, sorry,
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the reason Washington Post is laying off people is they're
not making more than they're spending, and people aren't advertising
or paying for subscriptions with them. And I think part
of that is they've alienated a lot of their audience.
But I also I think it's being run more as
a business. It's not Catherine Graham's newspaper anymore. It's not
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Ben Bradley's newspaper anymore. It's not Woodward and Woodward and Bernstein,
for better or for worse, it's not that. And the
audience of newspaper viewers, the liberal audience is already so
super served by ABC, CBS, NBC late night television that
they don't feel they need to go anywhere for a
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liberal paper to read. They're already being super served everywhere
they are right. So conservatives feel that they're not being
served by late night TV. Although Gutfell's doing well. Conservatives
are more likely to aggressively actively go out and pursue
reading an outlet that they feel will give them the
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truth in a manner that they want to see that's
more honest.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
And that's not the Washington Post.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
And so when you don't have the people there, and
when you don't have the companies putting their name behind it,
you don't have money. You can't afford the payroll. They're
changing people. Advertising has gone to different outlets now, and
that's not the Washington Post. This is how the market works,
and it's a good thing if you almost have a
gift on living credit. First, he somehow got himself canceled
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by his own people. He is a gay, black liberal.
How do you cancel that guy? He checks all the
intersectional boxes. They want to keep him around. I mean,
you got to really work to get fired if you're
a gay, black liberal journalist gets fired from CNN.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Career essentially over. But hold on. He saw an opportunity
and he sees it being broken.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Hungry is a power, powerful motivator. I'm going to join
these protesters. I'm gonna go trespass over private property. I'm
going to storm a church. I'll create a firestorm.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I'll be in the news again. She's like Jess Smilab
my hero.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
Well, that did get him publicity alone with being arrested,
but I don't think he really minded because added to
the publicity and then people reported. You know, these people
have to stay in the news. Podcasters they have to
stay in the news. Actors they have to stay in
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the news. They have to be remembered, top of mind.
Sometimes you got to do stupid stuff to stay in
the news, and then you had to cackling hens from
the View. I'm never really sure who the audience of
the View is. I don't know anybody who watches the View.
I just know a lot of people who are mad
about the stupid stuff the View says. There is a
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programming strategy. It's now an accepted fact that you understand
that nobody is watching your program. Your job is to
say things and then shoot it to the other side
so that they'll talk about it, and that way you
will get eyes on your website and you'll get some
people who will grudge watch. And that's what happens. So,
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as far as the view is concerned, Don Lemon, he's
just a journalist who embedded himself in the story.
Speaker 9 (17:32):
I think people need to remember that journalists embed themselves
in protests, embed themselves with the government, and bet themselves
and campaigns and bet themselves in police activity all the time.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
That is the practice of journalisms.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
So the fact that he was at a protest embedded
in it life is perfectly normal. It is not a
crime to be a journalist. No, but even if he
was protesting, it is guaranteed by the.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Under the First Amendment. Yeah, how's it right? He wasfering it.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
They don't know what the trauma. They don't know what
the First Amendment is. If we're understanding what the First
Amendment means, so let's just allow these journalists to help
commit violent crimes while we're at it, because they're journalists
after all. After all, they're just embedding themselves in the story.
Speaker 10 (18:26):
Goodie me Barren Steele reporting for KMBS or an exclusive
look at Today's rise in violent crime. I've embedded myself
with a group of local robbers to better understand their process.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Right now, I'm in the Ghetaway book.
Speaker 10 (18:39):
The suspects are reviewing what they're calling the plan, which
appears to be a.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Bunch of masks and a double back.
Speaker 10 (18:46):
Now for journalistic integrity, I am also wearing a ski mask,
purely observation.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
Now they've handed me a shotgun. I believe this is
for perspective for approaching the bacon now and I must
say tensions are high. The robbers say they're feeling locked in.
One describes the vibe as go time. We're inside down.
Customers are lying on the floor to avoid influencing the story.
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Ah yeah, Grandma, give me all the money, shots of
a Drindal and fill the room. I'm gonna die.
Speaker 10 (19:17):
Suspect has asked me to grab the money. I want
to be clear, this is not participation. This is immersive reporting.
The bag is surprisingly heavy, mostly twenties. Now the police
are on their way, which the group calls Nazis. We're
running now.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
To capture the full experience.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Whoo, what a rush boys in conclusion.
Speaker 10 (19:42):
Experts say this first hand approach provides valuable context and
possibly twenty five years reporting live from the backseat of
a getaway car. I'm baron steel for Kobs.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
Black History Month doesn't seem to be anything anybody cares
about it anymore. I think the white protesters in Minneapolis
took all that away. But we made it a policy
for several years to every day or two during February
to offer counterpoints to the prevailing narrative, mostly offered by
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white liberals, of what blackness is in this country, the
cultural appropriation of what blackness is by white liberals.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
In my response to that is.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
I have a better idea of what black should be
and shouldn't how to be successful than the white liberals do.
But to that end we have we have made it
a practice to play for you bits of audio and
share perspectives of people who have a different view of blackness.
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Morgan Freeman is an interesting case because Morgan Freeman will
come out sometimes and say something and make you think
he's just a piss off old black dude who hates
white people.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
And maybe he does.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
But like Bill Cosby used to do, and again you
say Bill Cosby and people giggle Bill Cosby, the merit
of his words were worthwhile. He did some really dumb things,
some really awful things, apparently I don't know, but would
appear that he did. But he had some things to
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say that were useful, and the merit of your words
should stand alone aside from what you said. Karl Marx,
for instance, a hero to the left was a vile,
degenerate of an individual who lived off of rich women
who liked having him around like a little toy they
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could carry around on a leash at their parties, and
he would spout things that the ladies, uh, the the
ladies of royalty of Europe would be so impressed by.
But years ago, Morgan Friedman sat down with Mike Wallace
and Redman had been an open critic of the concept
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of Black History Month, and Wallace asked him why, and
he said, this Black History Month?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
You find ridiculous. What You're going to relegate my history
to my month? Oh? Come, what do you do with yours?
Which month is White History Month?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Come on tell me, well, I'm Jewish?
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Okay, which month is Jewish History Month? There isn't one.
Oh oh, why not? Do you want one?
Speaker 11 (22:52):
No? No, no, I don't either. I don't want a
Black History month. Black is the American history. How are
we going to get rid of racism?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
And stopped talking about it? I'm going to stop calling
you a white.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
Man, and I'm going to ask you to stop calling.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Me a black man. I know you as Mike lawtas
you know me as Morman family. So that's smart, ALKI.
Speaker 12 (23:23):
Michael Berry, a Detroit Lion season ticket holder who was
grabbed and nearly punched Steelers wide receiver DK Metcalf after
exchanging words, has filed one hundred million dollar lawsuit because
multiple media outlets claimed he said the in word despite
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zero witnesses, along with no video or audio evidence supporting
the claim.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
In the suit, he names Shannon Sharp and Chad Johnson,
among others. His attorney says, quote, the in word is
the most offensive and inflamma toy racial slur in the
English language. No other word expresses so much hatred and bigotry.
Falseley accusing someone of using that word hurts not only
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the person falsely accused, but hurts every true victim of
racial hatred and bigotry.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Oh that's a lie. Well, okay, Fox two with the story.
Speaker 13 (24:23):
They will detail this one hundred million dollar lawsuit and
exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
What led up to this.
Speaker 13 (24:32):
It does claim defamation of character following that altercation in
the stands here at Ford Field during that Steelers game
back in December, and that altercation between Ryan Kennedy and
Steelers stand out DK Metcalf. It did make national headlines
and it was played over and over again. It does
allege that Kennedy made racial and derogatory slurs at that time,
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something that he is adamantly denied, setting off Metcalf, that
and allegedly leading to an assault. Those claims that they
were repeated and published by some major media outlets and
even overheard on a popular podcast featuring NFL legend Chad
Ocho Cinco Johnson. Now a number of people now listed
in that one hundred million dollar lawsuit. We did speak
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with the local attorney who has no connection to this
case but is offering some insight.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Here's what he had to.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Say partying Ford being soup. We talked a little bit
about that before we came on, Ford would have had
to foresee that there was going to be this assault.
You're not gonna be able to prove that Ford knew
that that was going to happen or was negligent in
some way.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That's my opinion, still upon the law.
Speaker 13 (25:41):
Now, Kennedy says that he has received hate mail that
he's gotten on death threats and that the situation has
damaged his business reputation.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
There's a lot to unpack right there, but let me
try real quick.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
So to start with.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Players and fans interacting and fighting, I think that ninety
nine percent of the time there is a fan player
interaction to fan is at fault. To start with, the
player is not drunk. The fan usually is number one.
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Number two. Fans seem to think that because they've paid
money for a ticket, good money, a lot of money,
and then overpaid for a beer and maybe a hot
dogs some other things, and because they're a really big fan,
you see, because I'm a really big fan, I can
do whatever I want. Hey, guy, we're arresting you for
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peeing in public on the field and throwing your jersey
and calling women nasty names.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But I'm a big fan of the team. Yeah that's
not a defense. But I'm your biggest fan. No, that's
not a defense. You're out, You're never coming back.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
So, to start with, there is the fans side of this,
and that is how many fans think that a professional
sporting event is the place to act out, to cuss
people out, to harass people, to want to fight. It's not,
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and it shouldn't be. But what's going on on the field.
Let's be honest. Let's take a football game. What's going
on on the field, grown men smashing into each other
would be felonies if it was happening in the streets.
It is a controlled environment of violence. You remember what
Vince Lombardi said about that. Someone said, Someone said to
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Lombardi that football is a contact sport. He said, no,
ballroom dancing is a contact sport. Football is a collision sport.
There are people who become paralyzed. There are people who
can't walk well for the rest of their lives. It's
a violent sport. You couldn't do that in a bar,
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couldn't do that outside there and a lot of folks
up in the fans, up in the stands get fired up.
Plus is the inflamed passion. They hate their wife, they
hate their kids, they hate their job, they're bad about politics,
and this is the one place they can go and
scream and holler and act a fool. A couple that
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were drinking a lot of beers, and they make mad decisions,
often related to players who they think are there as
props to take their nonsense.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I don't think they are.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
When when Vernon Maxwell Mad Max went up in the
stands because a fan made a very nasty comment about
Vernon Maxwell's child, I wish Vernon Maxwell would have shattered
the guy's face bones. I don't believe that's an appropriate
thing to do. Run our test crazy as he can be.
I don't believe you should be taunting a guy like that.
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I don't believe you paid for that, right people think
they do. I don't we disagree? Well, if you played
pro sports, you signed up for that.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
No you didn't.
Speaker 8 (29:10):
By the way, I also don't think the ups should
have to listen to you say the awful things you say.
And most of those guys are pretty hooked up. I
like to see a couple of them come up in
the stands and show a guy you wouldn't want somebody
talking to your brother, sister, father, mother that way? What
makes you think you? Oh, but I'm a big fan,
you know, I get really into the game. Who said
that's okay? Why don't you talk to politicians that way?
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Try that with a politician, See how fast it turns
on you. But the other thing is the racial side.
They accuse him of saying the in word, and he didn't.
So the part that bothers me about all of this
is they're arguing, so, first of it's a false claim
of the in word, But how'd the in word get
to be so powerful? How is it worse to insult
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a black person than anybody else? That doesn't make any sense,
But everybody thinks that's okay, that's dumb, and you've taught
black people that they should be so offended by it,
and that's why they run around using it. Is just
it is just sapid of any value. The whole concept
of this in word, inWORD inward is so stupid. It's
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a sign of a stupid culture that we spend so
much time on the damn thing, and then when you
make it the thing that you can't say, you make
people want to say it.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
It's just so stupid.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
The whole thing is so stupid. It reminds me that
John Mulaney bit.
Speaker 14 (30:31):
It's wrong to make fun of people, you know, but
it's so fun sometimes. I've written for some TV shows,
and you know, on a major TV show, you have
to be careful about what you say about people because
a lot of people can get offended.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Or so it has been explained to me. I was once.
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 14 (30:46):
I was writing for an awards show once and I
got into some trouble. I wrote a joke for this
awards show that had the word midget in it, and
someone from the network came down to our offices and
he said to me, hey, you can't put the word
midget on TV. And I said, I sure would like to,
and he said, no, midget is as bad as the
N word. First off, no, no it's not. Do you
(31:13):
know how I know it's not, I said to him,
is because we're saying the word midget and we're not
even saying what the N word is. If you're comparing
the badness of two words and you won't even say
one of them, that's the worst word. Also, I don't
mean the gloss over, but like little people have been
through in this country, but you cannot compare the plight
(31:35):
of midgets to African Americans.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
That is outrageous.
Speaker 14 (31:38):
Midgets were never enslaved, unless you count the walka factory.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
So we get into this argument. We're going back and forth.
Speaker 14 (31:47):
He goes, you can't put that word on TV, and
I said I want to, and he goes, if you
put that word on TV there could be a protest
of midgets on this building, and I said, promise me.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Alice has saved good thank you, and good night.
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