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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. Michael
Very show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I don't know how many times I can say it,
Madam Chair, we did not fund gain a function research
to be conducted in the Wuhan Institute of our Ology.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Doctor Fauti this week just showed how you can use
the letter of the law while giving a big middle
finger to the system.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
He was forced to come in front of Congress under
subpoena because Senator Paul just has it in for him,
and he just pled the fifth to every question. And
I think he tried to embarrass him when they asked
him what day of the.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Week is it, what time of days it is? You
just pled the fifth And there was.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Almost like a moment of glee that he had, and
he's like, I understand how systems work. I was, you know,
I understand how science works. I understand how we get
things done in this country, and now I am going
to use this tool against all of you who have
broken these systems.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So thank you, doctor Fauci.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Thank you for standing up for science and for showing
us how you can actually stand up to the police.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Asar so Chad's prep there was a clip that I
wanted to get to it was. It was Robert F. Kennedy, No,
it's going to be number three on CNN, calling out
Dana Bash and her buddy Anthony Fauci for her behavior
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during the COVID scare, telling her there was absolute press malpractice.
Your job is a fierce skepticism toward authority, and you
weren't doing that. You were beating up on people who
were dissenting. And then he pressed her on her defense
of the clot shot for kids, many of whom died.
(02:07):
Robert F. Kennedy and Dana Bash on CNN, Well.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
During COVID, we completely dismantled our constitutional rights.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
We began censoring people in violation.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
But you're saying what not to do. I'm asking what
to do? But I but I want to talk.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
About that something to do, so that is the number
one priority. Well, you protect the constitution. The Constitution was right, give.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
Me, but you're just You're talking about rights and I'm
asking about a potential public health crisis that is that
is coming.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
But I do want to let's and one of.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
The bestages we made in the last time was suppressing
those rights so people weren't being heard. The doctors who
were saying you're doing it wrong for being marginalized and.
Speaker 7 (02:51):
Vilified, because because again I really want to move on.
But yeah, you were saying you are part of the problem.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
No, I wasn't talking about it was absolute press malpractice.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Weren't allowing your.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
It's your secretary, your job.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Your job is a fearish skepticism or authority, and you
aren't doing that.
Speaker 8 (03:12):
You I am.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
My job is also No. Okay, are you going to
you want to sit here and attack me or do
you want to have conversations attacking I'm not attacking you.
I'm asking questions about how to next question, and I'll
tell you that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
But I also don't want to use this interview to
allow you to say things that aren't entirely true.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
You're talking about therapeutics.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
Fine, it is also factually true that the COVID vaccine worked.
The COVID vaccine prevented deaths. There is data upon data
upon data. Let's talk about the measles please, because this
is something that is happenings as we speak.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
In the US, seeing protected children.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
I think that what I have talked to scientists and
doctors about Just give me.
Speaker 9 (04:01):
Look.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Can you show me one study.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yes, I can.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
It shows that, I can.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Children were protected by the COVID vaccine.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I can tell you that there are.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
More good than harm to children. Can you show me
one study.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
That shows I can tell you that when it comes
to the vaccine, there have been studies that show that
because of vaccine disinformation disinformation, there could have been one
hundred to two hundred thousand lives in the US saved.
But because people didn't get the vaccine. That's why I'm
not saying that it entirely you are saying.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
You are saying something that you cannot show them a
single study.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I am not saying nonsense. I am talking with excuse somebody.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I told you, excuse me and let me excite me.
Study what study?
Speaker 10 (04:47):
Study?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
No, what studies are you talking about.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
You're talking about studies that actually don't exist.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I want to talk about that.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
You're talking about it idy, excite me the study.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
This is not productive. I am not here to defend
all of the.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Pre You're talking nonsense. You're making assertions, you can't support it,
and then what I call you on them?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
There you're telling me I.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Okay, do you want to talk about. You want to
talk about assertions that you can't support. I'll get there
in a second. Let me just say for the record
that I am not saying that the entire way that
the COVID reaction was accurate.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
It was a scary time and people made mistakes.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Absolutely understaring people.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Why are you saying.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
That, because that was the job of CNN.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Okay, okay, how many people.
Speaker 11 (05:35):
Are we were trying to be We were listening to
the leaders in this country, including the President, who had
a daily press conference explaining what was going on, and
trying to listen.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I want to talk to the diesel Actually, were you reading.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Before Donald Trump that exchange would never happen. The meeting
would beat up on Republicans. They would tell anyone who
didn't support Obama that they were racist, anyone that didn't
support socialized medicine, that they were racist, that they hated
poor people, that they were awful, Wolf Blitzer, Jake Tapper,
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the whole crew of them, Dana Bash. What Trump taught
Republicans was fight back. These people will never be nice
to you. Stop begging them to like you, you country
club sissies. That's what Republicans did. They got knocked around.
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That's how the Republican establishment grew to be a captive
contained puppets of the establishment, of the powerful establis, iblishment, elite,
because they so desperately wanted to be said that they
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were nice. That's why when McCain died, they held this
Obama and all came out, what a great guy he was. Oh,
that's funny, because he was a racist, horrible person. That's
why the Bush name now amongst the Democrats. I wish Republicans.
I'm not a Republican, I'm a Democrat, but I wish
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Republicans would be civilized and polite like the Bushes. You
called a monsters met Romney. Oh, they devastated. They shredded
that poor sap and he sat there and took it.
What Trump taught them was the audience is at home.
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You're on the stage, which is what the television medium is.
They are not your friend. You talk over them, you
talk through them, you browbeat them, you push back, you
insult them, and the audience will you. And in the process,
their positives have been driven to the ground, their negatives
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have shot up. Nobody trust them. The Houston Chronicle joke
CNN joke. So when you go on there, you go
on with the singular purpose of calling out exactly what
Dana Bash did and making her account for it. And
they're not used to it. They the Bushes, none of
the establishment, the Romney's, they never made them pay like this.
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Let's go to Road Hunt an important leader in the
Democrat Congress. He's part of their higher echelon of lieutenants.
He's a California congressman and he was on Fox News.
He's explaining why Abdul l Sayid is winning his race
in Detroit. Free healthcare, no super packs, billionaires paying the
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same taxes as teachers and nurses. Three things all show
were all delivered like they're the most obvious ideas in
the world.
Speaker 12 (09:05):
Your party is grappling with accusations of anti Semitism from
statements from candidates. What is your message to American Jewish
voters about what they can expect from your party?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
First, I'll tell you all, ab Dolah's winning.
Speaker 13 (09:19):
He's winning because he's for free healthcare for Americans and
Medicare for all. He's winning because he doesn't believe in
money in politics and these super PACs that are spending
millions of dollars, and he's winning because he thinks that
billionaires in places like my district should be paying fair tax,
just like teachers and nurses.
Speaker 14 (09:37):
Peck.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Then there's Bernie Sanders. All he really wants is socialism.
He doesn't care if it's Idya Mean or Adolf Hitler
that brings it here. He is endorsing doctor Abdul l
said for the US Senate healthcare as a human right.
That means government would run it every other major country
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twice as much per capita, L said, is a doctor
who has seen the broken system. Medicare for all. You
know the rest, Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 15 (10:09):
Everybody in America understands that our current healthcare system is
totally broken. We got we spending unbelievable amounts of money
twice as much for capita as the people of any
other country. Eighty five million uninsured, underinsured, prices way high,
doctor L sayed, is somebody I need in the Senate
as he fights for Medicare fall. He's a doctor, he
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has seen the broken healthcare system. We need him to
make sure that every man, woman and child in this
country has healthcare as a human right, as is the
case in every other major country on Earth.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Former Democrat Senator and moderate Joe Manchin was on Face
the Nation when he was asked if he could ever
support a self described socialist candidate for president, and he
said absolutely not.
Speaker 16 (10:58):
Could you ever support a self described socialist candidate?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
No, no way, my god, no.
Speaker 9 (11:06):
Good.
Speaker 17 (11:07):
I support the good ideas, but how could you support
some of the crazy stuff. Therefore, have you seen their platform?
They're for just dismilling everything that we know, whether it
be whether it be the structure of government, Congress itself
or the Senate they want to get rid of. And
then they start talking about all the crazy things. No
police know this, no this, no that, are you crazy?
We want we want a crime free area. We have
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to have police for that. We want a strong defense,
and we want a strong border. But if Democrats can't
say that and they start lining up with the socialist
demands of how what you are to be a socialist?
The energy will be gone. There'll be no energy. Okay,
we have right now a tremendous amount of energy we're producing,
and the world depends more on us than ever before.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
We can do.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Then there is a woman named meylt Kiros. She's a
Democrat Socialist of America candidate running for office in Colorado.
She was asked, are you a communist? No? Then they
press her. Half the DSA leadership calls themselves communists. She said, well,
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some Democrats proudly proclaim themselves capitalists. It's a big tint,
you see. They've got communists and capitalists. So it's okay
that some of them are communists until a self proclaimed
communist actually wins an election. Until then, we're out here
screaming and hollering as we have been for a while,
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these people are communists. And they go no, no, no, no, no,
that's not fair. You're just throwing that. You're just saying that.
Now they're admitting it.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
First, are you a communist?
Speaker 8 (12:48):
Now I'm not a communist.
Speaker 18 (12:50):
How do you tackle the criticism that some members of
the DSA, including half of the DSA leadership, seem to
call themselves communist.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
Yeah, well, you know, some members of the Democratic Party
are proudly proclaiming themselves as capitalists, and it's a big tent, right.
But again, at the end of the day, it's up
to the voters, right until a self proclaimed communist actually
wins an election, then it's just noise.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
From the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And so what this is doing is putting Democrats in
a very, very tough position. You take Mark Kelly, a Democrat, astronaut,
he had a lot of things going for him. He
tried to say he wasn't with the left winging nuts.
He's a moderate Democrat, he's a common sense Democrat. Well,
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now his party's been taken over by the socialists and communists,
and he's having to answer for that because he's going
to vote with the Democrats, not the Republicans. And he
knows it, and Mansion knows it, and Fetterman knows it.
They all know what's happening here, and James Carvill knows it,
and Bill Maher knows it. But listen, listen to what's
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underneath this very carefully worded, delicately worded response from a
dude who's scared to death because he knows that he
is diffusing a bomb here.
Speaker 16 (14:16):
We looked at some recent Quinnipiac polling. It showed Democrats
have a twenty three two three percent approval rating, worse
than President Trump's approval.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
You've got a.
Speaker 16 (14:25):
Lot of headwinds. Republicans have an advantage in terms of
fund over Democrats in terms of funding. There's redistricting that
I know Democrats say disadvantages them, though they've also jerrymandered.
We see inner party fighting in Minnesota and in Michigan
with no real promise to unify Democrats over a common
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candidate here.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
How concern are.
Speaker 16 (14:48):
You that Democrats are going to lose this thing or
end up with this very very tight race.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Well, I think we have an opportunity here, despite the
Republican jerrymandering that started in the state of Texas, to
try to you know, rig the deck, so to say,
here and make it more challenging. That provides an advantage
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to that.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Let's go back to melt Kiros, the Democrat Socialist of
America candidate. She's a cute black girl from Africa. She's
well spoken, and she is at least a socialist, if
not an outright communist. And she says she can't think
of anything more American than socialism. Oh okay, it's the
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only economic philosophy that actually delivers on life, liberty and
the pursuit of happiness. So now the Declaration of Independence
is socialist. She's dead serious, And I wonder how many
young people understand that what she is saying, is complete bunk.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
I don't think there's anything more American than subscribe into
an economic philosophy that, as the evidence shows, is the
only one that's actually capable of delivering things like life,
liberty in the pursuit of happiness.
Speaker 18 (16:11):
I really keep socialism has proven to deliver on the
values of the Declaration of Independence more than capitalism.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I don't care somebody Deetter strikes you. You can't shoot.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Michael pass It's been refoke.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
We have not talked enough about Zora Mumdani, the Muslim
immigrant socialist mayor of New York. Let's go back to
twenty nineteen. Here he is describing his experience growing up
Muslim in New York. On September eleventh, before he even
knew what had happened, his teacher pulled him and a
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Muslim classmate out of class to warn them that they
might be bullied. Here is Zora and Mumdani talking about
how awful it's been for him growing up Muslim in
New York, and the subtle implication is you Christians and
Jews and white people, you're going to pay for this.
Speaker 19 (17:07):
There is still, you know, this illusion and it's partially
a result of settler colonialism, that all of us can
become New Yorkers, that all of us can settle into
the city. And yet there would be these moments where
I would be reminded by someone whose intent was to
tell me that you did not belong. And one of
those first moments was on nine to eleven, when before
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I knew what had happened, my teacher had pulled me
and a Muslim classmate of mine out of the class
and told us that something has happened and you may
be bullied, and I want you to tell me if
that happens. And frankly, I was lucky, because most Muslim
students in the city were not given that kind of
care from their teachers. And yet in that moment, I
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realized that I was not simply another classmate in a
middle school. I was distinct and there was a marker
of that distinction on me. And it was something that
I would be reminded of again and again. Is something
when we came back from a trip abroad, being pulled
aside a JFK by immigration agents in a double married room,
sitting me down on my own while my family was outside,
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and asking me if I had just attended a terrorist
training camp, and if I had intentions of attacking this country,
and if so, what were those plans. And it's something
that has continued in the time since, where a few
months ago, I went with a client of mine to
a bankruptcy court and as we're going into the court,
the security guard takes me aside and passed me down
with additional care and asked me multiple times if I
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have any weapons of mass destruction on me. And in
these moments, the sense of not knowing where home is,
you know, they're amplified by what I would see around me.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know this hearkens back to a Norm MacDonald Joe,
the late great Norm MacDonald. Norm McDonald had a joke
where he has a little wor comedian on and he
tells the joke as he would often do, that you
don't realize that you're the butt of the joke because
you're also the recipient of the joke. And he says
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that if a bunch of Muslims, I mean, if Muslims
were to bomb America and kill thousands or millions of Americans,
he's really worried that people will be mad at Muslims.
And she goes, yeah, that's right, and he proves the
absurdity of his point without ever needing to say, see,
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I told you so. Listen to this joke.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Well I can't.
Speaker 10 (19:34):
I can't say my friend's name. But he said his
biggest fear is that isis or some terrorist group like
that we get a hold of a dirty bomb and
exploded over a major city within the United States and
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kill tens of millions people, because then the blowback against
innocent Muslims would be absolutely terrible. Yes, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Let's do some jefe.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Then we've got this crazy woman, and she is certifiably crazy.
She's been locked up before, she's been in the nuthouse.
Her name is Francesca Holk. She's a Democrat, Socialist of
America sympathizer. She's running for governor of Wisconsin. Coming out
of nowhere. She ran a restaurant that she ran into
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the ground. Her parents had to pay off the thirty
thousand dollars debt. But all of a sudden she's going
to be governor. And a bunch of people who've been
convinced by their public school teachers that socialism is great
or going Yeah, socialism, check it out in Venezuela. Tell
a Cuban that a reporter, she says that that she
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wants the endorsement or she loves ilan Omar, that's her inspiration.
And a reporter asks why she wants the endorsement of
someone who's not from Wisconsin. Ilhan Omar is from Minnesota,
and she says, ilhan Omar shows what it looks like
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to lead with moral conviction and courage. Two strong women
of color fighting for everyone. But they're not fighting for everyone.
They're fighting for non white people against white people, and
white people better wake up.
Speaker 20 (21:39):
Talk about why it's important for you to have the
backing of such a polarizing figure, even though she's not
from your state. Why does this matter to you to
have her there and why is she important to your race?
Speaker 21 (21:52):
The congresswoman has done a phenomenal job of showing what
it looks like to lead with moral.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Conviction and cur I'm deeply.
Speaker 21 (22:02):
Inspired by the fact that the issues that she's championing,
for human rights, for childcare, for ensuring paid lead. These
are things that Americans care about all across the country,
and when people are polarizing, not the issues, but you know,
manufacturing lives about her. I think that it's important that
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our women and girls and kids all across the country
see two strong women of color come together fighting for
everyone's rights. Doesn't matter what your background, your zip code,
or what your faith may be.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And then Dana Perino asks Francesca Home why people should
take her at her word when she says defund the police, Like,
did you really mean it? She says, as a Democrat socialist,
what that means is putting working class people first. Francesca Home,
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Wisconsin gubernantroal candidate says, no money for the cops, which
means no police force. Do you mean that, yeah, put
in working people first. They just give her phrases. This
is exactly what they did with AOC. They just give
them phrases and they spout it out.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Why shouldn't people take you at your word when you
say that you want to defund the police and go
towards abolishing it.
Speaker 22 (23:24):
Dana, First of all, I have to say thank you
so much for featuring my home state in your novel.
And I believe that as a as a democratic socialist,
what that means is that I would like to put
working class people first over.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Now funding a police. Working class people First.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Chris rabb is a Democrat State rep from Pennsylvania. At
a Democrat Socialist of America conference in Chicago, the weekend
agenda was mass action to build a General strike, organizing
to abolish Ice, working to free Palestine, and the world
word comrade throughout.
Speaker 23 (24:02):
I noted that in Chicago this weekend, the program includes
the following using mass action to build a general strike,
organizing to abolish ice, working to free Palestine, and oppose Israel.
I also read use of the word comrade in the
agenda and wonder to myself, aren't you writing isn't DSA
essentially writing the GOP's scripts for commercials that we're going
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to see in the fall.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
I don't really care what the GOP has in mind.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
That is not my focus.
Speaker 20 (24:32):
My focus is to be accountable to the folks who
voted for me, and to earn the support of folks
in the general election.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
And I do have a challenger.
Speaker 14 (24:42):
He's an independent like you, and I take nothing for granted.
And I truly believe that yoga pants should only be
sold in single digit sizes. With the Michael Marry, I
don't mind a woman with a little meat owner bones,
but I don't want to see all the hail damage.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I told you story about professor Jake Gibson at Alcorn
State University and how he out technologied his students to
show that they were cheating, and how unfortunate. You know,
call me old fashioned, but you go to school to learn,
and more importantly, to learn to learn.
Speaker 14 (25:19):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I don't say that I went to law school or
got two law degrees because I have the degrees and
they hang on the wall. I don't know where the
degrees are. I don't practice law. It taught me to
think critically, analytically, that's what an education is about. And
anybody who doesn't understand that is wasting their time. Well,
the professor who did that is our guest. He's a
history professor at Alcorn State University, Professor Jake Gibson. Welcome
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to the program.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
Hey, how are you.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I'm good. I understand you got this idea from TikTok.
Tell me how that worked.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
Well, yes, and yes, I got the idea from TikTok.
Maybe it was a few months ago. I saw another
professor at another institution who did something very similar. And
the formal name for this technic is prompt injection. So
it was a summer course. This actually happened. This has
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been fairly quick. This happened about three weeks ago. The
summer setsion just ended, and just to update, the vast
majority of those students did end up passing the whole class.
So just a few weeks ago, I had just gotten
a little weary with reading AI work. My students. They
are well aware that of the ways that they can
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and cannot use artificial intelligence in my course, and they
were just generating response and I guess they were just
thinking that I wouldn't discover the generation. So I just said, look,
let me put something in here. Let me, you know,
just kind of throw a needle in a haystack, just
to show them that I am aware of what's going
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on here. So that's what kind of led to the prompt.
And I'm sure everybody has seen the response today.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Professor. It would be just as easy for you to
know in the back of your mind that at least
some of them. I know you were surprised at thirty
two out of thirty five, but at least some of
them are what I would consider cheating. It would be
perfectly acceptable for some people to just do it. They
turn in the work, you get your paycheck, and go home.
I get the sense that you care to create such
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an elaborate situation. You care. Did it bum you out
to know that they didn't care more than that than
did Just all right, here's what I got to do
to get a grade and move on.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
I will say I was disappointed. Now I will say
I can't say that I was fully surprised, just because
I've been a student before. I'm still, I guess, relatively young.
I'm the youngest professor of my department. I'm thirty four,
so I was just in college a few years ago,
and I was anthe in college. So considering that I
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get it. You know, we had early morning workouts. I
didn't get to study for every test that I had
to take. So this is why I take a relatively
empathetic approach. But like I tell my students all the time,
it's not it's not my expectation that you develop a
practice of cheating or using AI to generate entire responses.
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Like I said, they're fully aware of the ways that
I do implore them to use it, and there were
the ways that I do not and to generate entire assignments.
That's one of the ways that I do not encourage
them to use the software. So yes, I was a
little disappointed, but I was I was really excited to
see them recover and the vast majority of those students
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past the full course.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
What was their reaction when you said, hey, guys, thirty
two out of thirty five, did you give the extra
three some time off or a jolly rancher or pat
on the back or you know that. I remember where
the teachers would give us a jolly rancher when I
was growing up. That was big deal. I got. I'm
getting did you did you at least point out that, hey,
these three over here did it? Did it right?
Speaker 14 (29:07):
Well?
Speaker 9 (29:08):
I grew up with a pretty tough father who never
rewarded me for getting good grades because, as he would say,
you're supposed to get good grades. So unfortunately I developed
that mentality with even my students. Hey, you're supposed to
have you pay a lot of money to come to school,
so it's not there's no extra incentive for doing what
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you're supposed to do. However, they did. I went their
reaction to that. I did give the students an opportunity
to contest the grade. I sent them an email and
just basically said, hey, thirty two out of thirty five
of you, you failed this portion of the mid term
and this is why I sent them screenshots of where
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I highlighted it depicts, and I said, so, if you
had the word Madagascar in the way that didn't make
sense in your in your discussion post, then that hinting
to me that you copy and pasted this entire bump
and put it into.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
AI and just sure failed to proof reader, just.
Speaker 9 (30:07):
Put it back into the discussion for them. So when
I said that, I only had three out of that
thirty two to reach out and contest the grade, and
out of that three, only one was able to get
her grade changed because she did explain to me the
dark mold features that she used. Also, she was the
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one with the highest average of the course, so she
went to bed, she said organized and assure you, and
in lined up with the rest of her writing that
I had seen. But that indicated to me that the
rest of them was like, Okay, he got me. I'm
not gonna even reach out. I'm just take this li
chain and keep moving.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Forward as an athlete. I think you could appreciate that.
You know, I'm fifty five, so I'm a full generation
older than you. But we filled our answers out in
the blue book. So it was oh, I remember, right,
So there was there was not this is all so
new to me. But I have sons, one of whom
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is starting at the University of Texas UH in a
few weeks, and the oldest, who's a junior at the
University of Texas, and so this is all so new
to me. But when I would when they were at
home and I'd walk in, they'd be at the dining
room table and I'd sit down with them, and there
wouldn't be any books anywhere, and everything would be on
the computer. And I thought, my goodness, is it just
felt wrong. Now I know I'm out of date. Not them,
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That's the way. It was a sign. But they carry
around in a backpack their computer. That's all their books.
I don't know if you're old enough to have to
have been at the book generation at a young thirty four,
but we carried a jam sport backpack and that thing
was loaded down. When you got somewhere to eat or whatever,
you took it off and you dropped it down. It
was it. You loved that thing?
Speaker 9 (31:49):
It was heavy? It was heavy. Now I will say
I was. But this is largely due to my college major.
I'm a historian. It's social sciences, and undergrad I got
my master's in history with the focus in civil rights history.
So when I was in college and grad school, a
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lot of the tech oriented majors and business administration they
had migrated more to computer. Even though some of our
work had migrated to computer, I still had a lot
of reading to do. I remember my grad school semester
we had anywhere from ten to fifteen books to read
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per semester. So, yeah, I would see I.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Had the best of both worlds.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
I had.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
Yeah, I was in that digital computer Assignment assisiment generation.
But when it came to the books, I had to
read a lot of books and purchase them. For my
graduate school education.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
We used the phrase you got to hit the books.
It's it's exam time, you got to hit the books. Well, Professor,
I think what you've done is set off a national conversation.
I'm impressed. It's very clever. I think a lot of
people thought to themselves, man, this guy, he's kind of
outsmarted the kids. And for us older folks, we really
like that. But I think you've set off a conversation
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about authenticity and learning and ethics and all of that,
and relieved for you for that, Professor Jay Gibson at
Alcorn State University, Thanks for being with the fun.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Lady elegentlemen, Ellis look good.
Speaker 19 (33:22):
You may, thank you, and good night.
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. Michael
Very show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I don't know how many times I can say it,
Madam Chair, we did not fund gain a function research
to be conducted in the Wuhan Institute of our Ology.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Doctor Fauti this week just showed how you can use
the letter of the law while giving a big middle
finger to the system.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
He was forced to come in front of Congress under
subpoena because Senator Paul just has it in for him,
and he just pled the fifth to every question. And
I think he tried to embarrass him when they asked
him what day of the.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Week is it, what time of days it is? You
just pled the fifth And there was.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Almost like a moment of glee that he had, and
he's like, I understand how systems work. I was, you know,
I understand how science works. I understand how we get
things done in this country, and now I am going
to use this tool against all of you who have
broken these systems.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So thank you, doctor Fauci.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Thank you for standing up for science and for showing
us how you can actually stand up to the police.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Asar so Chad's prep there was a clip that I
wanted to get to it was. It was Robert F. Kennedy, No,
it's going to be number three on CNN, calling out
Dana Bash and her buddy Anthony Fauci for her behavior
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during the COVID scare, telling her there was absolute press malpractice.
Your job is a fierce skepticism toward authority, and you
weren't doing that. You were beating up on people who
were dissenting. And then he pressed her on her defense
of the clot shot for kids, many of whom died.
(02:07):
Robert F. Kennedy and Dana Bash on CNN, Well.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
During COVID, we completely dismantled our constitutional rights.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
We began censoring people in violation.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
But you're saying what not to do. I'm asking what
to do? But I but I want to talk.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
About that something to do, so that is the number
one priority. Well, you protect the constitution. The Constitution was right, give.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
Me, but you're just You're talking about rights and I'm
asking about a potential public health crisis that is that
is coming.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
But I do want to let's and one of.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
The bestages we made in the last time was suppressing
those rights so people weren't being heard. The doctors who
were saying you're doing it wrong for being marginalized and.
Speaker 7 (02:51):
Vilified, because because again I really want to move on.
But yeah, you were saying you are part of the problem.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
No, I wasn't talking about it was absolute press malpractice.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Weren't allowing your.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
It's your secretary, your job.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Your job is a fearish skepticism or authority, and you
aren't doing that.
Speaker 8 (03:12):
You I am.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
My job is also No. Okay, are you going to
you want to sit here and attack me or do
you want to have conversations attacking I'm not attacking you.
I'm asking questions about how to next question, and I'll
tell you that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
But I also don't want to use this interview to
allow you to say things that aren't entirely true.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
You're talking about therapeutics.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
Fine, it is also factually true that the COVID vaccine worked.
The COVID vaccine prevented deaths. There is data upon data
upon data. Let's talk about the measles please, because this
is something that is happenings as we speak.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
In the US, seeing protected children.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
I think that what I have talked to scientists and
doctors about Just give me.
Speaker 9 (04:01):
Look.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Can you show me one study.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yes, I can.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
It shows that, I can.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Children were protected by the COVID vaccine.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I can tell you that there are.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
More good than harm to children. Can you show me
one study.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
That shows I can tell you that when it comes
to the vaccine, there have been studies that show that
because of vaccine disinformation disinformation, there could have been one
hundred to two hundred thousand lives in the US saved.
But because people didn't get the vaccine. That's why I'm
not saying that it entirely you are saying.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
You are saying something that you cannot show them a
single study.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I am not saying nonsense. I am talking with excuse somebody.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I told you, excuse me and let me excite me.
Study what study?
Speaker 10 (04:47):
Study?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
No, what studies are you talking about.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
You're talking about studies that actually don't exist.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I want to talk about that.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
You're talking about it idy, excite me the study.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
This is not productive. I am not here to defend
all of the.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Pre You're talking nonsense. You're making assertions, you can't support it,
and then what I call you on them?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
There you're telling me I.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Okay, do you want to talk about. You want to
talk about assertions that you can't support. I'll get there
in a second. Let me just say for the record
that I am not saying that the entire way that
the COVID reaction was accurate.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
It was a scary time and people made mistakes.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Absolutely understaring people.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Why are you saying.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
That, because that was the job of CNN.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Okay, okay, how many people.
Speaker 11 (05:35):
Are we were trying to be We were listening to
the leaders in this country, including the President, who had
a daily press conference explaining what was going on, and
trying to listen.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I want to talk to the diesel Actually, were you reading.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Before Donald Trump that exchange would never happen. The meeting
would beat up on Republicans. They would tell anyone who
didn't support Obama that they were racist, anyone that didn't
support socialized medicine, that they were racist, that they hated
poor people, that they were awful, Wolf Blitzer, Jake Tapper,
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the whole crew of them, Dana Bash. What Trump taught
Republicans was fight back. These people will never be nice
to you. Stop begging them to like you, you country
club sissies. That's what Republicans did. They got knocked around.
(06:43):
That's how the Republican establishment grew to be a captive
contained puppets of the establishment, of the powerful establis, iblishment, elite,
because they so desperately wanted to be said that they
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were nice. That's why when McCain died, they held this
Obama and all came out, what a great guy he was. Oh,
that's funny, because he was a racist, horrible person. That's
why the Bush name now amongst the Democrats. I wish Republicans.
I'm not a Republican, I'm a Democrat, but I wish
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Republicans would be civilized and polite like the Bushes. You
called a monsters met Romney. Oh, they devastated. They shredded
that poor sap and he sat there and took it.
What Trump taught them was the audience is at home.
(07:45):
You're on the stage, which is what the television medium is.
They are not your friend. You talk over them, you
talk through them, you browbeat them, you push back, you
insult them, and the audience will you. And in the process,
their positives have been driven to the ground, their negatives
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have shot up. Nobody trust them. The Houston Chronicle joke
CNN joke. So when you go on there, you go
on with the singular purpose of calling out exactly what
Dana Bash did and making her account for it. And
they're not used to it. They the Bushes, none of
the establishment, the Romney's, they never made them pay like this.
(08:31):
Let's go to Road Hunt an important leader in the
Democrat Congress. He's part of their higher echelon of lieutenants.
He's a California congressman and he was on Fox News.
He's explaining why Abdul l Sayid is winning his race
in Detroit. Free healthcare, no super packs, billionaires paying the
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same taxes as teachers and nurses. Three things all show
were all delivered like they're the most obvious ideas in
the world.
Speaker 12 (09:05):
Your party is grappling with accusations of anti Semitism from
statements from candidates. What is your message to American Jewish
voters about what they can expect from your party?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
First, I'll tell you all, ab Dolah's winning.
Speaker 13 (09:19):
He's winning because he's for free healthcare for Americans and
Medicare for all. He's winning because he doesn't believe in
money in politics and these super PACs that are spending
millions of dollars, and he's winning because he thinks that
billionaires in places like my district should be paying fair tax,
just like teachers and nurses.
Speaker 14 (09:37):
Peck.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Then there's Bernie Sanders. All he really wants is socialism.
He doesn't care if it's Idya Mean or Adolf Hitler
that brings it here. He is endorsing doctor Abdul l
said for the US Senate healthcare as a human right.
That means government would run it every other major country
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twice as much per capita, L said, is a doctor
who has seen the broken system. Medicare for all. You
know the rest, Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 15 (10:09):
Everybody in America understands that our current healthcare system is
totally broken. We got we spending unbelievable amounts of money
twice as much for capita as the people of any
other country. Eighty five million uninsured, underinsured, prices way high,
doctor L sayed, is somebody I need in the Senate
as he fights for Medicare fall. He's a doctor, he
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has seen the broken healthcare system. We need him to
make sure that every man, woman and child in this
country has healthcare as a human right, as is the
case in every other major country on Earth.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Former Democrat Senator and moderate Joe Manchin was on Face
the Nation when he was asked if he could ever
support a self described socialist candidate for president, and he
said absolutely not.
Speaker 16 (10:58):
Could you ever support a self described socialist candidate?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
No, no way, my god, no.
Speaker 9 (11:06):
Good.
Speaker 17 (11:07):
I support the good ideas, but how could you support
some of the crazy stuff. Therefore, have you seen their platform?
They're for just dismilling everything that we know, whether it
be whether it be the structure of government, Congress itself
or the Senate they want to get rid of. And
then they start talking about all the crazy things. No
police know this, no this, no that, are you crazy?
We want we want a crime free area. We have
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to have police for that. We want a strong defense,
and we want a strong border. But if Democrats can't
say that and they start lining up with the socialist
demands of how what you are to be a socialist?
The energy will be gone. There'll be no energy. Okay,
we have right now a tremendous amount of energy we're producing,
and the world depends more on us than ever before.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
We can do.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Then there is a woman named meylt Kiros. She's a
Democrat Socialist of America candidate running for office in Colorado.
She was asked, are you a communist? No? Then they
press her. Half the DSA leadership calls themselves communists. She said, well,
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some Democrats proudly proclaim themselves capitalists. It's a big tint,
you see. They've got communists and capitalists. So it's okay
that some of them are communists until a self proclaimed
communist actually wins an election. Until then, we're out here
screaming and hollering as we have been for a while,
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these people are communists. And they go no, no, no, no, no,
that's not fair. You're just throwing that. You're just saying that.
Now they're admitting it.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
First, are you a communist?
Speaker 8 (12:48):
Now I'm not a communist.
Speaker 18 (12:50):
How do you tackle the criticism that some members of
the DSA, including half of the DSA leadership, seem to
call themselves communist.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
Yeah, well, you know, some members of the Democratic Party
are proudly proclaiming themselves as capitalists, and it's a big tent, right.
But again, at the end of the day, it's up
to the voters, right until a self proclaimed communist actually
wins an election, then it's just noise.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
From the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And so what this is doing is putting Democrats in
a very, very tough position. You take Mark Kelly, a Democrat, astronaut,
he had a lot of things going for him. He
tried to say he wasn't with the left winging nuts.
He's a moderate Democrat, he's a common sense Democrat. Well,
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now his party's been taken over by the socialists and communists,
and he's having to answer for that because he's going
to vote with the Democrats, not the Republicans. And he
knows it, and Mansion knows it, and Fetterman knows it.
They all know what's happening here, and James Carvill knows it,
and Bill Maher knows it. But listen, listen to what's
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underneath this very carefully worded, delicately worded response from a
dude who's scared to death because he knows that he
is diffusing a bomb here.
Speaker 16 (14:16):
We looked at some recent Quinnipiac polling. It showed Democrats
have a twenty three two three percent approval rating, worse
than President Trump's approval.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
You've got a.
Speaker 16 (14:25):
Lot of headwinds. Republicans have an advantage in terms of
fund over Democrats in terms of funding. There's redistricting that
I know Democrats say disadvantages them, though they've also jerrymandered.
We see inner party fighting in Minnesota and in Michigan
with no real promise to unify Democrats over a common
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candidate here.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
How concern are.
Speaker 16 (14:48):
You that Democrats are going to lose this thing or
end up with this very very tight race.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Well, I think we have an opportunity here, despite the
Republican jerrymandering that started in the state of Texas, to
try to you know, rig the deck, so to say,
here and make it more challenging. That provides an advantage
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to that.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Let's go back to melt Kiros, the Democrat Socialist of
America candidate. She's a cute black girl from Africa. She's
well spoken, and she is at least a socialist, if
not an outright communist. And she says she can't think
of anything more American than socialism. Oh okay, it's the
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only economic philosophy that actually delivers on life, liberty and
the pursuit of happiness. So now the Declaration of Independence
is socialist. She's dead serious, And I wonder how many
young people understand that what she is saying, is complete bunk.
Speaker 8 (15:57):
I don't think there's anything more American than subscribe into
an economic philosophy that, as the evidence shows, is the
only one that's actually capable of delivering things like life,
liberty in the pursuit of happiness.
Speaker 18 (16:11):
I really keep socialism has proven to deliver on the
values of the Declaration of Independence more than capitalism.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I don't care somebody Deetter strikes you. You can't shoot.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Michael pass It's been refoke.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
We have not talked enough about Zora Mumdani, the Muslim
immigrant socialist mayor of New York. Let's go back to
twenty nineteen. Here he is describing his experience growing up
Muslim in New York. On September eleventh, before he even
knew what had happened, his teacher pulled him and a
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Muslim classmate out of class to warn them that they
might be bullied. Here is Zora and Mumdani talking about
how awful it's been for him growing up Muslim in
New York, and the subtle implication is you Christians and
Jews and white people, you're going to pay for this.
Speaker 19 (17:07):
There is still, you know, this illusion and it's partially
a result of settler colonialism, that all of us can
become New Yorkers, that all of us can settle into
the city. And yet there would be these moments where
I would be reminded by someone whose intent was to
tell me that you did not belong. And one of
those first moments was on nine to eleven, when before
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I knew what had happened, my teacher had pulled me
and a Muslim classmate of mine out of the class
and told us that something has happened and you may
be bullied, and I want you to tell me if
that happens. And frankly, I was lucky, because most Muslim
students in the city were not given that kind of
care from their teachers. And yet in that moment, I
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realized that I was not simply another classmate in a
middle school. I was distinct and there was a marker
of that distinction on me. And it was something that
I would be reminded of again and again. Is something
when we came back from a trip abroad, being pulled
aside a JFK by immigration agents in a double married room,
sitting me down on my own while my family was outside,
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and asking me if I had just attended a terrorist
training camp, and if I had intentions of attacking this country,
and if so, what were those plans. And it's something
that has continued in the time since, where a few
months ago, I went with a client of mine to
a bankruptcy court and as we're going into the court,
the security guard takes me aside and passed me down
with additional care and asked me multiple times if I
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have any weapons of mass destruction on me. And in
these moments, the sense of not knowing where home is,
you know, they're amplified by what I would see around me.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know this hearkens back to a Norm MacDonald Joe,
the late great Norm MacDonald. Norm McDonald had a joke
where he has a little wor comedian on and he
tells the joke as he would often do, that you
don't realize that you're the butt of the joke because
you're also the recipient of the joke. And he says
(19:10):
that if a bunch of Muslims, I mean, if Muslims
were to bomb America and kill thousands or millions of Americans,
he's really worried that people will be mad at Muslims.
And she goes, yeah, that's right, and he proves the
absurdity of his point without ever needing to say, see,
(19:30):
I told you so. Listen to this joke.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Well I can't.
Speaker 10 (19:34):
I can't say my friend's name. But he said his
biggest fear is that isis or some terrorist group like
that we get a hold of a dirty bomb and
exploded over a major city within the United States and
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kill tens of millions people, because then the blowback against
innocent Muslims would be absolutely terrible. Yes, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Let's do some jefe.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Then we've got this crazy woman, and she is certifiably crazy.
She's been locked up before, she's been in the nuthouse.
Her name is Francesca Holk. She's a Democrat, Socialist of
America sympathizer. She's running for governor of Wisconsin. Coming out
of nowhere. She ran a restaurant that she ran into
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the ground. Her parents had to pay off the thirty
thousand dollars debt. But all of a sudden she's going
to be governor. And a bunch of people who've been
convinced by their public school teachers that socialism is great
or going Yeah, socialism, check it out in Venezuela. Tell
a Cuban that a reporter, she says that that she
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wants the endorsement or she loves ilan Omar, that's her inspiration.
And a reporter asks why she wants the endorsement of
someone who's not from Wisconsin. Ilhan Omar is from Minnesota,
and she says, ilhan Omar shows what it looks like
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to lead with moral conviction and courage. Two strong women
of color fighting for everyone. But they're not fighting for everyone.
They're fighting for non white people against white people, and
white people better wake up.
Speaker 20 (21:39):
Talk about why it's important for you to have the
backing of such a polarizing figure, even though she's not
from your state. Why does this matter to you to
have her there and why is she important to your race?
Speaker 21 (21:52):
The congresswoman has done a phenomenal job of showing what
it looks like to lead with moral.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Conviction and cur I'm deeply.
Speaker 21 (22:02):
Inspired by the fact that the issues that she's championing,
for human rights, for childcare, for ensuring paid lead. These
are things that Americans care about all across the country,
and when people are polarizing, not the issues, but you know,
manufacturing lives about her. I think that it's important that
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our women and girls and kids all across the country
see two strong women of color come together fighting for
everyone's rights. Doesn't matter what your background, your zip code,
or what your faith may be.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And then Dana Perino asks Francesca Home why people should
take her at her word when she says defund the police, Like,
did you really mean it? She says, as a Democrat socialist,
what that means is putting working class people first. Francesca Home,
(22:58):
Wisconsin gubernantroal candidate says, no money for the cops, which
means no police force. Do you mean that, yeah, put
in working people first. They just give her phrases. This
is exactly what they did with AOC. They just give
them phrases and they spout it out.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Why shouldn't people take you at your word when you
say that you want to defund the police and go
towards abolishing it.
Speaker 22 (23:24):
Dana, First of all, I have to say thank you
so much for featuring my home state in your novel.
And I believe that as a as a democratic socialist,
what that means is that I would like to put
working class people first over.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Now funding a police. Working class people First.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Chris rabb is a Democrat State rep from Pennsylvania. At
a Democrat Socialist of America conference in Chicago, the weekend
agenda was mass action to build a General strike, organizing
to abolish Ice, working to free Palestine, and the world
word comrade throughout.
Speaker 23 (24:02):
I noted that in Chicago this weekend, the program includes
the following using mass action to build a general strike,
organizing to abolish ice, working to free Palestine, and oppose Israel.
I also read use of the word comrade in the
agenda and wonder to myself, aren't you writing isn't DSA
essentially writing the GOP's scripts for commercials that we're going
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to see in the fall.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
I don't really care what the GOP has in mind.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
That is not my focus.
Speaker 20 (24:32):
My focus is to be accountable to the folks who
voted for me, and to earn the support of folks
in the general election.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
And I do have a challenger.
Speaker 14 (24:42):
He's an independent like you, and I take nothing for granted.
And I truly believe that yoga pants should only be
sold in single digit sizes. With the Michael Marry, I
don't mind a woman with a little meat owner bones,
but I don't want to see all the hail damage.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I told you story about professor Jake Gibson at Alcorn
State University and how he out technologied his students to
show that they were cheating, and how unfortunate. You know,
call me old fashioned, but you go to school to learn,
and more importantly, to learn to learn.
Speaker 14 (25:19):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I don't say that I went to law school or
got two law degrees because I have the degrees and
they hang on the wall. I don't know where the
degrees are. I don't practice law. It taught me to
think critically, analytically, that's what an education is about. And
anybody who doesn't understand that is wasting their time. Well,
the professor who did that is our guest. He's a
history professor at Alcorn State University, Professor Jake Gibson. Welcome
(25:42):
to the program.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
Hey, how are you.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I'm good. I understand you got this idea from TikTok.
Tell me how that worked.
Speaker 9 (25:54):
Well, yes, and yes, I got the idea from TikTok.
Maybe it was a few months ago. I saw another
professor at another institution who did something very similar. And
the formal name for this technic is prompt injection. So
it was a summer course. This actually happened. This has
(26:14):
been fairly quick. This happened about three weeks ago. The
summer setsion just ended, and just to update, the vast
majority of those students did end up passing the whole class.
So just a few weeks ago, I had just gotten
a little weary with reading AI work. My students. They
are well aware that of the ways that they can
(26:36):
and cannot use artificial intelligence in my course, and they
were just generating response and I guess they were just
thinking that I wouldn't discover the generation. So I just said, look,
let me put something in here. Let me, you know,
just kind of throw a needle in a haystack, just
to show them that I am aware of what's going
(26:57):
on here. So that's what kind of led to the prompt.
And I'm sure everybody has seen the response today.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Professor. It would be just as easy for you to
know in the back of your mind that at least
some of them. I know you were surprised at thirty
two out of thirty five, but at least some of
them are what I would consider cheating. It would be
perfectly acceptable for some people to just do it. They
turn in the work, you get your paycheck, and go home.
I get the sense that you care to create such
(27:25):
an elaborate situation. You care. Did it bum you out
to know that they didn't care more than that than
did Just all right, here's what I got to do
to get a grade and move on.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
I will say I was disappointed. Now I will say
I can't say that I was fully surprised, just because
I've been a student before. I'm still, I guess, relatively young.
I'm the youngest professor of my department. I'm thirty four,
so I was just in college a few years ago,
and I was anthe in college. So considering that I
(28:00):
get it. You know, we had early morning workouts. I
didn't get to study for every test that I had
to take. So this is why I take a relatively
empathetic approach. But like I tell my students all the time,
it's not it's not my expectation that you develop a
practice of cheating or using AI to generate entire responses.
(28:22):
Like I said, they're fully aware of the ways that
I do implore them to use it, and there were
the ways that I do not and to generate entire assignments.
That's one of the ways that I do not encourage
them to use the software. So yes, I was a
little disappointed, but I was I was really excited to
see them recover and the vast majority of those students
(28:43):
past the full course.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
What was their reaction when you said, hey, guys, thirty
two out of thirty five, did you give the extra
three some time off or a jolly rancher or pat
on the back or you know that. I remember where
the teachers would give us a jolly rancher when I
was growing up. That was big deal. I got. I'm
getting did you did you at least point out that, hey,
these three over here did it? Did it right?
Speaker 14 (29:07):
Well?
Speaker 9 (29:08):
I grew up with a pretty tough father who never
rewarded me for getting good grades because, as he would say,
you're supposed to get good grades. So unfortunately I developed
that mentality with even my students. Hey, you're supposed to
have you pay a lot of money to come to school,
so it's not there's no extra incentive for doing what
(29:28):
you're supposed to do. However, they did. I went their
reaction to that. I did give the students an opportunity
to contest the grade. I sent them an email and
just basically said, hey, thirty two out of thirty five
of you, you failed this portion of the mid term
and this is why I sent them screenshots of where
(29:50):
I highlighted it depicts, and I said, so, if you
had the word Madagascar in the way that didn't make
sense in your in your discussion post, then that hinting
to me that you copy and pasted this entire bump
and put it into.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
AI and just sure failed to proof reader, just.
Speaker 9 (30:07):
Put it back into the discussion for them. So when
I said that, I only had three out of that
thirty two to reach out and contest the grade, and
out of that three, only one was able to get
her grade changed because she did explain to me the
dark mold features that she used. Also, she was the
(30:29):
one with the highest average of the course, so she
went to bed, she said organized and assure you, and
in lined up with the rest of her writing that
I had seen. But that indicated to me that the
rest of them was like, Okay, he got me. I'm
not gonna even reach out. I'm just take this li
chain and keep moving.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Forward as an athlete. I think you could appreciate that.
You know, I'm fifty five, so I'm a full generation
older than you. But we filled our answers out in
the blue book. So it was oh, I remember, right,
So there was there was not this is all so
new to me. But I have sons, one of whom
(31:06):
is starting at the University of Texas UH in a
few weeks, and the oldest, who's a junior at the
University of Texas, and so this is all so new
to me. But when I would when they were at
home and I'd walk in, they'd be at the dining
room table and I'd sit down with them, and there
wouldn't be any books anywhere, and everything would be on
the computer. And I thought, my goodness, is it just
felt wrong. Now I know I'm out of date. Not them,
(31:29):
That's the way. It was a sign. But they carry
around in a backpack their computer. That's all their books.
I don't know if you're old enough to have to
have been at the book generation at a young thirty four,
but we carried a jam sport backpack and that thing
was loaded down. When you got somewhere to eat or whatever,
you took it off and you dropped it down. It
was it. You loved that thing?
Speaker 9 (31:49):
It was heavy? It was heavy. Now I will say
I was. But this is largely due to my college major.
I'm a historian. It's social sciences, and undergrad I got
my master's in history with the focus in civil rights history.
So when I was in college and grad school, a
(32:10):
lot of the tech oriented majors and business administration they
had migrated more to computer. Even though some of our
work had migrated to computer, I still had a lot
of reading to do. I remember my grad school semester
we had anywhere from ten to fifteen books to read
(32:30):
per semester. So, yeah, I would see I.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Had the best of both worlds.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
I had.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
Yeah, I was in that digital computer Assignment assisiment generation.
But when it came to the books, I had to
read a lot of books and purchase them. For my
graduate school education.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
We used the phrase you got to hit the books.
It's it's exam time, you got to hit the books. Well, Professor,
I think what you've done is set off a national conversation.
I'm impressed. It's very clever. I think a lot of
people thought to themselves, man, this guy, he's kind of
outsmarted the kids. And for us older folks, we really
like that. But I think you've set off a conversation
(33:08):
about authenticity and learning and ethics and all of that,
and relieved for you for that, Professor Jay Gibson at
Alcorn State University, Thanks for being with the fun.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Lady elegentlemen, Ellis look good.
Speaker 19 (33:22):
You may, thank you, and good night.
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