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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Michael Berry Joe a bit bold, May I say
to say some of the things you've said that you've
been credited with saying, calling Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson race.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hustlers, Indeed they are race hustlers in this case in particular,
you go back to Tajuana Brawley and anything else that
you might want to name. The theme has been the same.
And the fact of the matter is, Mike, if in
fact this shooter Zimmerman had been a black kid or
a black man, we would not know who Trayvon Martin is.
(00:34):
That's the hypocrisy in all of this.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
So why did this happen?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
This happened. The fanning of the flames of racial flames
is by design. There's a reason why Al Sharpton is
who he is, and Jesse Jackson and the host of characters,
the usual suspects are who they are. It is designed
to cause unrest. It is designed to cause a certain
(01:02):
amount of chaos and to bring the rest of our society,
our country, to fundamentally change it into something that government
now steps in and corrects. This is the grand design
that is being perpetrated up on America. And if we're
not successful in ousting this administration, ousting this president who
(01:25):
had a great opportunity to build bridges, but yet chooses
to throw in and insert himself and to a racially
charge activity like this or an event like this. It
shows us very clearly where the die has been cast
and where this is all heading.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Reverend C. L. Bryant as our guest. He's a former
NAACP leader and a pastor in Garland, Texas. You're still
actively a pastor there.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No I am one nation. Back to God is my
national movement. And of course our movie Runaway Slave will
premiere across the country in theaters in June of this year.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
What do you think to the extent that churches were
talking about the Trayvon Martin case over the weekend, particularly
Black churches across America, what was the message being imparted?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Unfortunately, the black pull pit in many cases, not all cases,
but in many cases has been hijacked by liberal by progressivism,
the far left progressivism, and also black liberation theology which
has to ben have a victim. And unfortunately, in this case,
(02:36):
this has stimulated the emotions of black people and it
has caused them to remember a time, particularly in the
South when this was a fear of young black people
of black men period. However, when we talk about twenty
(02:58):
twelve as well as I do, that there is not
an epidemic of white men killing black men. The greatest
danger to young black men is young black men. And
this is why I am so incensed about this, because
no one has said anything about that six year old
(03:19):
girl who was killed on her own steps in Chicago
just last weekend by two gangbangers who were shooting at
each other and they happened to kill her. She was black,
they were Latin. And the one thing you see in
this the trade, this Zimmerman is half Latino. But it's
very important that they don't present that. It's important that
they don't tell people that he has black members in
(03:41):
his own family. He has to remain white in order
for the formula and the chaos to work.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Reverend c Olbryant is our guest. The movie is at
Runaway Slaves dot.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Com, Uway slavemovie dot com, Runaway Slavemovie dot com.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Let me ask you this, to what extent are Al Sharpton,
Jesse Jackson, the New Black Panthers, and even President Obama
in his what you called his nebulous statement about if
I had a sonny look like Trayvon. To what extent
are they giving people what they want and delivering the
goods that are expected, And to what extent do they
(04:19):
have an opportunity that they could pull back? Is there
a ready made market for this that they are simply
stepping in and selling the hoodies that people are ready
to buy.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh? Absolutely, And that's an excellent question, because all those
that you have named, Sharpton, Obama, Jackson, they are pawns
of the liberal progressive left and they have been. I
was president INAACP back in the late eighties when it
was in the midst of being hijacked by the progressive left,
(04:50):
and doctor Benjamin Hooks was the national director at the time,
and one of the reasons I left it was over
the abortion issue. I would not have refused to speak
at an abortion of a pro choice rally, and so
our relationship, the nature of our relationship began to change.
And those names that we have mentioned here in fact
(05:14):
wanting to give let's just use this term, the unwashed
masses what they want. But in America we are indeed
a middle to middle right country. However, those who keep
up the greatest noise and the greatest ruckus seemed to
get the oil. As it says in the South, the
(05:35):
squeaky wheel does get it. And this is time. This
is a wake up call for conservatives to stop being
on the offensive or stop being on the defensive. It's
time for us now to take the offensive posture. And
I'm not talking about striking anyone or but it is
(05:56):
time for us to go on the march. It is
time for us to get some hit wind about us
and not be such a piniata.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You know, Reverend cl Brian as our guest. The movie
is Runaway slavemovie dot com. It's interesting. Kevin Jackson's a
friend of mine with the Black sphere, and and we've
had Alan West on the show a number of times.
And when you talk about one of the things I
hear black conservatives say often toward Anglo conservatives seems to
(06:27):
be and I say this all the time, grow a pair,
stand up. Stop waiting on someone black to say what
you already believed to be the truth, because it's valid
if they say it, and you're too scared to say it, and.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Stop apologizing for the views that you have. Okay, so
they're gonna call you a racist. They're gonna call me
and uncle Tom.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Oh, it's gonna be much worse for you. Oh, absolutely,
it's gonna be much worse for you.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
The circus is I gotta tell you, the circus is
in town right now after Drudge has put on the
report what he did. But that's okay because, as I
just stated to you, it's time for us as conservatives
to go on the offensive.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
At the end of the last hour, Reverend Bryant, you
made the point that what we need is more people
to step forward. I was talking about corporate cultures and
Southwest Airlines. I was talking to a Southwest Airline pilot
at a funeral in New Orleans yesterday, and we were
talking about mid level management and that that's really the
core of a company. It's not the guy who joined
(07:29):
the company yesterday, and it's not the CEO. And I
sort of compare that to what a lot of white
folks in America see as the quote unquote black community.
And I see these self appointed al Sharptons and Jesse
Jackson's who claim they're the leaders of all blacks, which
is not true. And then you get the people that'll
show up to rallies and hoot and holler and scream
(07:50):
and demand, and you know, they're sort of the peanut gallery,
and I sort of equate them as these people at
the bottom and then the people at the top in
this supposed totem pole. But then there's mid management. There
is the other ninety seven point eight percent of black folks.
And I guess my question is, how do we get
those folks who have a stake in America, who are
(08:11):
married to white people, who have whites in their families,
who are not racists, who are just trying to live
a life like the rest of us. They're postmen and
military officers and entrepreneurs, to be willing to speak out
because obviously you transcended that and you're going to be
called an uncle Tom and all the hateful things that
will be said about you. And I've always maintained that
(08:32):
blacks who speak out against black racism will be pilloried
far worse than any white guy ever could. How do
we empower how do we empower independent black folks in
their own way, in their workplace, in the schools, in
everywhere else to speak.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Out by promoting the message that we succeed as individuals
and not as groups. Black folks unfortunately have a certain
and I hope it is built in, but it's a
certain tribalism that is afforded to us as a group
of people in this country. And the one thing that
(09:10):
Al Sharpton's and the progressive left have been very successful
in doing is promoting that we village tribe type of mentality.
And of course being black. Now, of course I'm proud
to be black. I've always been black. I'm going to
(09:31):
be black until the day I die. But this is
the thing that we forget as black people. Our ancestors
did not survive. They did not go through what they
went through in this country so that we could be black.
They went through what they went through so that we
could be free. And that is to associate with who
(09:52):
we want to associate with, go where we want to go,
and of course say what we want to say. We're
the only group of people in this country that if
someone were to land on this planet today and they
were to run into a black person, they would say,
take me to your leaders. We're the only people in
(10:12):
the country who have leaders. We're the Irish leaders, We're
the Italian leaders. Black folks have to be led around,
and that's the image that we have. We're too stupid
to speak for ourselves. We need Al Sharpton to talk
for us. We need Jesse Jackson to talk for us.
We're too stupid to talk for ourselves. And that is,
even though it's not true, that is the image and
(10:35):
the stereotype that many blacks operate under when it comes
to a situation like this. So you're beginning at a handicap,
you know.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I look at people. There's a man in Houston named
Marvin Hamilton. I call him the Old Man at the Sea.
He's early seventies, black guy, going on about thirty five.
He decided it's seventy years old to go back and
finish the college degree he never finished. He's a straight
A student and a lot of people go to him
for advice. And we've talked a lot about race over
the years. But I look at his generation. I look
(11:05):
at black professionals in the sixties, fifties and sixties, and
then even early into the seventies, when the black nuclear
family was still very strong and an important thing to
be proud of, and when blacks didn't have the opportunity
it was basically clergy post office, military education, and then
these opportunities opened up, and it was as if those
values that had been that we were so proud of
(11:27):
and the black father figure, you know, it was almost
the stuff of nineteen fifties TV that all just sort
of seems to have evaporated, and these values of we
have to be better than white folks, we have to
be a stronger family, we have to be a more
faithful family, and it just seems like somewhere along about
a twenty five year period that just exploded, and now
we've replaced that with Louwayne and Kanye West.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Absolutely, And what happened was the seventies sitcoms. Not blaming
it totally on television, but this was the design when
Good Times, Archie Bunker and George Jefferson, the Jeffersons came along.
This was before Cosby. They actually instilled a stereotype of
(12:17):
a certain type of black person, and that's who black
folks were in the seventies, and black folks began to
do a good job of living up to JJ Evans
and living up to George Jefferson, the angry but successful
black man, but still angry. And then Archie Bunker was
the quintessential white redneck.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Why do you think it is that this Trayvon Martin
case lights such a fire. Do you think that that
is purely a case of a lot of people sitting
around waiting on a situation like this and they get
caught up in it. Do you think that a lot
of people that this is their anger and this gives
them a chance event? I mean, this seemed to be
(13:01):
a ready made script that the cast just stepped into.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
This is a ready made script, and it has been
being scripted for quite some time now. The progressive left
are mostly white people, and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson
have been co opted by the progressive left. The people
(13:26):
who want to see racial division and unrest in this
country are not conservatives. They are liberals because as long
as you can keep a person control over their emotions,
and that's what this is about, that's what the Trayvon
Martin thing is about. Because if this was just about
(13:48):
a young man being killed, we would be incensed about
something that goes on every day in Newark and Chicago
and Dallas and Miami, in places like that. We would
be incensed, and we'd be marching in all of these
cities but no, this stimulates something very emotional, and then
it is fanned by the tools of the progressive left.
(14:13):
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They are the tools of
the progressive left MSNBC and people like that. They are
their tools to keep this type of design and keep
this play scripted so that government will have And I
know this is ideological discussion that I'm about statement I'm
(14:34):
about to make. But then government, which is the design
of this Obama administration, is more able than to manipulate
a situation and control a population because they have captured
them emotionally over something that is contrived.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Please tell one friend, and if you're so inclined, write
a nice review of our podcast. Comments, suggestions, questions, and
interest in being a corporate sponsor and partner can be
communicated directly to the show at our email address, Michael
at Michael Berryshow dot com, or simply by clicking on
(15:20):
our website Michael Berryshow dot com. The Michael Berry Show
and Podcast is produced by Ramon Roeblis, the King of Ding.
Executive producer is Chad Knakanishi. Jim Mudd is the creative director.
(15:41):
Voices Jingles, Tomfoolery and Shenanigans are provided by Chance McLain.
Director of Research is Sandy Peterson. Emily Bull is our
assistant listener and superfan. Contributions are appreciated and often incorporated
into our production. Where possible, we give credit, where not,
(16:04):
we take all the credit for ourselves. God bless the
memory of Rush Limbaugh. Long live Elvis, be a simple
man like Leonard Skinnard told you, and God bless America. Finally,
if you know a veteran suffering from PTSD, call Camp
Hope at eight seven seven seven one seven PTSD and
(16:29):
a combat veteran will answer the phone to provide free counseling.
The Michael Berry Joe a bit bold, May I say
to say some of the things you've said that you've
been credited with saying, calling Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson race.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hustlers, Indeed they are race hustlers in this case in particular,
you go back to Tajuana Brawley and anything else that
you might want to name. The theme has been the same.
And the fact of the matter is, Mike, if in
fact this shooter Zimmerman had been a black kid or
a black man, we would not know who Trayvon Martin is.
(00:34):
That's the hypocrisy in all of this.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
So why did this happen?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
This happened. The fanning of the flames of racial flames
is by design. There's a reason why Al Sharpton is
who he is, and Jesse Jackson and the host of characters,
the usual suspects are who they are. It is designed
to cause unrest. It is designed to cause a certain
(01:02):
amount of chaos and to bring the rest of our society,
our country, to fundamentally change it into something that government
now steps in and corrects. This is the grand design
that is being perpetrated up on America. And if we're
not successful in ousting this administration, ousting this president who
(01:25):
had a great opportunity to build bridges, but yet chooses
to throw in and insert himself and to a racially
charge activity like this or an event like this. It
shows us very clearly where the die has been cast
and where this is all heading.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Reverend C. L. Bryant as our guest. He's a former
NAACP leader and a pastor in Garland, Texas. You're still
actively a pastor there.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No I am one nation. Back to God is my
national movement. And of course our movie Runaway Slave will
premiere across the country in theaters in June of this year.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
What do you think to the extent that churches were
talking about the Trayvon Martin case over the weekend, particularly
Black churches across America, what was the message being imparted?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Unfortunately, the black pull pit in many cases, not all cases,
but in many cases has been hijacked by liberal by progressivism,
the far left progressivism, and also black liberation theology which
has to ben have a victim. And unfortunately, in this case,
(02:36):
this has stimulated the emotions of black people and it
has caused them to remember a time, particularly in the
South when this was a fear of young black people
of black men period. However, when we talk about twenty
(02:58):
twelve as well as I do, that there is not
an epidemic of white men killing black men. The greatest
danger to young black men is young black men. And
this is why I am so incensed about this, because
no one has said anything about that six year old
(03:19):
girl who was killed on her own steps in Chicago
just last weekend by two gangbangers who were shooting at
each other and they happened to kill her. She was black,
they were Latin. And the one thing you see in
this the trade, this Zimmerman is half Latino. But it's
very important that they don't present that. It's important that
they don't tell people that he has black members in
(03:41):
his own family. He has to remain white in order
for the formula and the chaos to work.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Reverend c Olbryant is our guest. The movie is at
Runaway Slaves dot.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Com, Uway slavemovie dot com, Runaway Slavemovie dot com.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Let me ask you this, to what extent are Al Sharpton,
Jesse Jackson, the New Black Panthers, and even President Obama
in his what you called his nebulous statement about if
I had a sonny look like Trayvon. To what extent
are they giving people what they want and delivering the
goods that are expected, And to what extent do they
(04:19):
have an opportunity that they could pull back? Is there
a ready made market for this that they are simply
stepping in and selling the hoodies that people are ready
to buy.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh? Absolutely, And that's an excellent question, because all those
that you have named, Sharpton, Obama, Jackson, they are pawns
of the liberal progressive left and they have been. I
was president INAACP back in the late eighties when it
was in the midst of being hijacked by the progressive left,
(04:50):
and doctor Benjamin Hooks was the national director at the time,
and one of the reasons I left it was over
the abortion issue. I would not have refused to speak
at an abortion of a pro choice rally, and so
our relationship, the nature of our relationship began to change.
And those names that we have mentioned here in fact
(05:14):
wanting to give let's just use this term, the unwashed
masses what they want. But in America we are indeed
a middle to middle right country. However, those who keep
up the greatest noise and the greatest ruckus seemed to
get the oil. As it says in the South, the
(05:35):
squeaky wheel does get it. And this is time. This
is a wake up call for conservatives to stop being
on the offensive or stop being on the defensive. It's
time for us now to take the offensive posture. And
I'm not talking about striking anyone or but it is
(05:56):
time for us to go on the march. It is
time for us to get some hit wind about us
and not be such a piniata.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You know, Reverend cl Brian as our guest. The movie
is Runaway slavemovie dot com. It's interesting. Kevin Jackson's a
friend of mine with the Black sphere, and and we've
had Alan West on the show a number of times.
And when you talk about one of the things I
hear black conservatives say often toward Anglo conservatives seems to
(06:27):
be and I say this all the time, grow a pair,
stand up. Stop waiting on someone black to say what
you already believed to be the truth, because it's valid
if they say it, and you're too scared to say it, and.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Stop apologizing for the views that you have. Okay, so
they're gonna call you a racist. They're gonna call me
and uncle Tom.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Oh, it's gonna be much worse for you. Oh, absolutely,
it's gonna be much worse for you.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
The circus is I gotta tell you, the circus is
in town right now after Drudge has put on the
report what he did. But that's okay because, as I
just stated to you, it's time for us as conservatives
to go on the offensive.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
At the end of the last hour, Reverend Bryant, you
made the point that what we need is more people
to step forward. I was talking about corporate cultures and
Southwest Airlines. I was talking to a Southwest Airline pilot
at a funeral in New Orleans yesterday, and we were
talking about mid level management and that that's really the
core of a company. It's not the guy who joined
(07:29):
the company yesterday, and it's not the CEO. And I
sort of compare that to what a lot of white
folks in America see as the quote unquote black community.
And I see these self appointed al Sharptons and Jesse
Jackson's who claim they're the leaders of all blacks, which
is not true. And then you get the people that'll
show up to rallies and hoot and holler and scream
(07:50):
and demand, and you know, they're sort of the peanut gallery,
and I sort of equate them as these people at
the bottom and then the people at the top in
this supposed totem pole. But then there's mid management. There
is the other ninety seven point eight percent of black folks.
And I guess my question is, how do we get
those folks who have a stake in America, who are
(08:11):
married to white people, who have whites in their families,
who are not racists, who are just trying to live
a life like the rest of us. They're postmen and
military officers and entrepreneurs, to be willing to speak out
because obviously you transcended that and you're going to be
called an uncle Tom and all the hateful things that
will be said about you. And I've always maintained that
(08:32):
blacks who speak out against black racism will be pilloried
far worse than any white guy ever could. How do
we empower how do we empower independent black folks in
their own way, in their workplace, in the schools, in
everywhere else to speak.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Out by promoting the message that we succeed as individuals
and not as groups. Black folks unfortunately have a certain
and I hope it is built in, but it's a
certain tribalism that is afforded to us as a group
of people in this country. And the one thing that
(09:10):
Al Sharpton's and the progressive left have been very successful
in doing is promoting that we village tribe type of mentality.
And of course being black. Now, of course I'm proud
to be black. I've always been black. I'm going to
(09:31):
be black until the day I die. But this is
the thing that we forget as black people. Our ancestors
did not survive. They did not go through what they
went through in this country so that we could be black.
They went through what they went through so that we
could be free. And that is to associate with who
(09:52):
we want to associate with, go where we want to go,
and of course say what we want to say. We're
the only group of people in this country that if
someone were to land on this planet today and they
were to run into a black person, they would say,
take me to your leaders. We're the only people in
(10:12):
the country who have leaders. We're the Irish leaders, We're
the Italian leaders. Black folks have to be led around,
and that's the image that we have. We're too stupid
to speak for ourselves. We need Al Sharpton to talk
for us. We need Jesse Jackson to talk for us.
We're too stupid to talk for ourselves. And that is,
even though it's not true, that is the image and
(10:35):
the stereotype that many blacks operate under when it comes
to a situation like this. So you're beginning at a handicap,
you know.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I look at people. There's a man in Houston named
Marvin Hamilton. I call him the Old Man at the Sea.
He's early seventies, black guy, going on about thirty five.
He decided it's seventy years old to go back and
finish the college degree he never finished. He's a straight
A student and a lot of people go to him
for advice. And we've talked a lot about race over
the years. But I look at his generation. I look
(11:05):
at black professionals in the sixties, fifties and sixties, and
then even early into the seventies, when the black nuclear
family was still very strong and an important thing to
be proud of, and when blacks didn't have the opportunity
it was basically clergy post office, military education, and then
these opportunities opened up, and it was as if those
values that had been that we were so proud of
(11:27):
and the black father figure, you know, it was almost
the stuff of nineteen fifties TV that all just sort
of seems to have evaporated, and these values of we
have to be better than white folks, we have to
be a stronger family, we have to be a more
faithful family, and it just seems like somewhere along about
a twenty five year period that just exploded, and now
we've replaced that with Louwayne and Kanye West.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Absolutely, And what happened was the seventies sitcoms. Not blaming
it totally on television, but this was the design when
Good Times, Archie Bunker and George Jefferson, the Jeffersons came along.
This was before Cosby. They actually instilled a stereotype of
(12:17):
a certain type of black person, and that's who black
folks were in the seventies, and black folks began to
do a good job of living up to JJ Evans
and living up to George Jefferson, the angry but successful
black man, but still angry. And then Archie Bunker was
the quintessential white redneck.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Why do you think it is that this Trayvon Martin
case lights such a fire. Do you think that that
is purely a case of a lot of people sitting
around waiting on a situation like this and they get
caught up in it. Do you think that a lot
of people that this is their anger and this gives
them a chance event? I mean, this seemed to be
(13:01):
a ready made script that the cast just stepped into.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
This is a ready made script, and it has been
being scripted for quite some time now. The progressive left
are mostly white people, and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson
have been co opted by the progressive left. The people
(13:26):
who want to see racial division and unrest in this
country are not conservatives. They are liberals because as long
as you can keep a person control over their emotions,
and that's what this is about, that's what the Trayvon
Martin thing is about. Because if this was just about
(13:48):
a young man being killed, we would be incensed about
something that goes on every day in Newark and Chicago
and Dallas and Miami, in places like that. We would
be incensed, and we'd be marching in all of these
cities but no, this stimulates something very emotional, and then
it is fanned by the tools of the progressive left.
(14:13):
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They are the tools of
the progressive left MSNBC and people like that. They are
their tools to keep this type of design and keep
this play scripted so that government will have And I
know this is ideological discussion that I'm about statement I'm
(14:34):
about to make. But then government, which is the design
of this Obama administration, is more able than to manipulate
a situation and control a population because they have captured
them emotionally over something that is contrived.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Please tell one friend, and if you're so inclined, write
a nice review of our podcast. Comments, suggestions, questions, and
interest in being a corporate sponsor and partner can be
communicated directly to the show at our email address, Michael
at Michael Berryshow dot com, or simply by clicking on
(15:20):
our website Michael Berryshow dot com. The Michael Berry Show
and Podcast is produced by Ramon Roeblis, the King of Ding.
Executive producer is Chad Knakanishi. Jim Mudd is the creative director.
(15:41):
Voices Jingles, Tomfoolery and Shenanigans are provided by Chance McLain.
Director of Research is Sandy Peterson. Emily Bull is our
assistant listener and superfan. Contributions are appreciated and often incorporated
into our production. Where possible, we give credit, where not,
(16:04):
we take all the credit for ourselves. God bless the
memory of Rush Limbaugh. Long live Elvis, be a simple
man like Leonard Skinnard told you, and God bless America. Finally,
if you know a veteran suffering from PTSD, call Camp
Hope at eight seven seven seven one seven PTSD and
(16:29):
a combat veteran will answer the phone to provide free counseling.
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