Saturday Bonus Podcast - The Czar Discusses Non Lethal Weapons With Byrna Technologies Josh Schirard
February 28, 2026 • 17 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Michael Barry Show a story earlier a few days
ago about what was described as a ding dong ditch
situation where folks run up and knock on the door
and run away, except in this case, it was an
eleven year old who did it, and as he was
(00:23):
fleeing the home, the homeowners shot and killed him. Now,
there's a lot of discussion about what is the proper
proportionate response to such a thing, and there will be
much made of the fact that he was running away
(00:44):
instead of toward. There are many officer involved shootings where,
for instance, someone runs at a cop with a knife,
cop draws and he turns back. There's a lot that
goes into this training. Adrenaline is pumping. You've got to
(01:05):
rely on your training. But even the best Tom Brady
threw interceptions. He skipped balls to receivers. No matter how
many passes you've thrown, with people pulling all over you,
it's still a very intense moment. Now, let me offer
as a side note, I don't believe all of these
(01:25):
are truly knock and run because there were a lot
of videos that they take themselves and post little idiots
where they go up and kick on the door, and
if it opens, they run in and steal everything they can.
If it doesn't open, they run off. So that way
when they're caught, Oh, we're just playing ding dong ditch ah,
(01:46):
you crazy kids, y'all don't do that anymore. That's not
actually what they were doing. And the media is all
too ready to make a George Floyd situation. But I
reached out to my folks, Berna, because one of the
things I am a believer in is your own self protection.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
My brother was a cop. You know this. I love cops,
big supporter of cops.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
They're not all perfect, but neither is Congress, neither is
your company, neither is the clergy. Most of them are
doing a good job for the right reasons and making
a difference. In fact, almost all of them, I would
say that about everybody has a bad day, including ramon
most days. Actually, So I reached out to them because
I am a believer and used the burner. I use
(02:33):
the compact launcher, and I saw this as an opportunity
to talk about how as the burner folks say, you
could have saved two lives, the boy and the homeowner,
because his life is forever changed and could be bad.
It is not always necessary to use lethal force and
(02:54):
burna is known as the less lethal option b whyr
in a dot com so I asked them for an
expert on the issue and they offered to me local
as it would happen. A former captain with the Galveston
Police Department and also an active Remax skydiving team member.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, you a skydived. I would never.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
My son went on his senior trip and he promises
he wouldn't skydive, and he did. He performs at Wingsover
Houston and other aero air shows as part of a
skydiving team. He is now with Berna while continuing to
fly and skydive, and he's a spokesman for national media outlets.
(03:35):
You may have seen him or heard him talking about
active shooter topics and the occasions where a less lethal
option could save not only that of the person that's killed,
but the person who pulls the trigger. John Scherard, Welcome
to the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Hi, thanks for having me. That's quite the introduction. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Would you like me to go on with the other
more things you'd like me to offer?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
No, not at all that dead?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Is there anything about you that would surprise me, Like
do you have a tattoo on your face?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Do you have an eerie I do not.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
No, I try to, you know, maintain a clear and appearance.
Twenty years in law enforce, and I'll do that to you.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So, did you set the record at Ball High School
for the forty yard dash for a white boy?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Tell me something about you? It's interesting that I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I did not. I'm a I'm also a corporate jet pilot,
so part of my part time gig is.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So we made it fifty seven seconds before you told
us he was a pilot. Usually would normally gets in
there within that first minute normal.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Are you from somewhere? No, I'm actually from the Metroplex areas,
so actually from Dallas, and I moved down to start
working down in Galveston, PD back in two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
What brought you to Galveson PD?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
A job more than anything, really was?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It was Wiley the chief then? Who was the chief
back then?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
No, that was Kenneth mac. Kenneth Mack was a chief
back then, a great chief. Loved to working for him.
He hired me and gave me an opportunity and you know,
try to make him proud of every day.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
How long were you Galveston PD.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I was untill twenty twenty. I actually left in twenty
twenty and then that's when I took over or actually
was hired by Burnet to create the law Enforcement division
over there with a couple other guys.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So I met the Burna guys because they were in
they were on the border. Now Sheriff then Constable Jimmy
Fullen was taking PTO and going down to the border
and working from the border, and he and they connected
(05:34):
and they said, Hey, do you know a guy that's
down there we're talking. We want to have him as
one of our national spokesmen. And his name is Michael Berry.
And he Michael Berry's is very different. I know him
extraordinarily well protected his family over the years. So I've
known Jimmy a very long time. Tell me, do you
live on the island now?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I'm actually up in League City. So about a tasway
between the island and Houston.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And you're not gonna hear and Hault. You're gonna pick
one and one leone, one and one only. You get
one meal today. You haven't eaten all day. It's seven pm.
Where are you eating in gas?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Jugis them every time? August best selection, great atmosphere, loved owners, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
They They have been a sponsor of the show, just
kind of seasonally when they have events coming up, and
I don't do.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Less than a year.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I don't agree to that because then there's too much
cycle and I think confused listeners. Oh sure, but I've
made probably three exceptions in twenty years, and they are
one of them.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Because I think they do such a good job. I
think they're so good.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
They're they're great for Galison, but they're really good for
the strand they bring a lot of energy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, and there's they do a lot of philansprey down
Galiston as well. I mean they're heavily involved in the
community and that just you know, just really have that
Galveston vibe down there.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Are eighteen and nineteen now, so we don't get to
do it as much. But we wore that La Kings
or a lot of Kings, however you pronounce it across
the street.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
We wore that place out when they were kids.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
We go in and watch that big guy that looks
like the guy in One Flew Over the cuckoo's nest,
the big Indian guy that makes the taffy.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh that was a free all right.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
We'll talk to John Cherrard about Berna and leslethal force
in the case of the ding Dong ditch where the
kid had to be killed recently.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Coming up.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Your photo, Josh, are you a Haink junior fan?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Absolutely, I'm from Texas Ketaby.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, you know you say that there's a lot of
these Yankees that have moved in from Dallas.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Very true. I I originally when I moved down to Houston,
they called me a Yankee because I was in north
of North of Iten.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So that's exactly how we view it. Yes, of course.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, you gotta be careful these people in the woodlands
moving in and trying to change everything. So so you
know the ding Dong Ditch story, they were told me,
They told me you the Berna folks told me you
were perfectly well aware of the case and everything related
to it. How is that How is the result different
in that situation if the fella has an option other
(08:12):
than his firearm.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You know a lot of people when we look at
shootings throughout the country and This is on the civilian side.
It's also on the law enforcement side as well. When
we really dive down into these shootings, a lot of
it comes down to the fact that that was the
person's only option. They felt that that was the only
tool that they had, the only option they had for response,
and so it was either do that or do nothing.
(08:36):
And unfortunately, a lot of times we see these decisions
like in this case, you know that that decision is
extraordinarily flawed because they feel that, well, this is the
only tool I have, so this is the response that
I'm going to have, and then we get into a
situation like this, So you know, that's where it's so
important to have those options and to have you know,
when it comes to force options. Once again, on the
(08:58):
civilian and law enforcement side, it's not a one size
fits all, you know, if it's not just it's either
you know, zero or ten, you have to have you know,
those options in the middle in order to respond appropriately,
because when it comes down to it, your response has
to be reasonable, regardless of the decision you make of
why you used it, it has to be reasonable. Now
(09:19):
in this case, you know, we're looking at at why
he may have used it, and you brought up a
very good point in the beginning of the show, and that's,
you know, he doesn't know what's going on. He doesn't
know that they're he may not know that they're playing
a game of ding Dong ditch, you know, and he
may err on the side of caution. But once again,
even if he did, that response still has to be reasonable,
(09:39):
and I think we can all agree that in this
particular case, it was not not reasonable.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I'm not sure if I'm a juror that I agree
with that, and I'm not sure that I wouldn't love
to take up the case as his defense attorney. And
siddlely read off for thirty minutes the current crime reports
of you young men attacking people.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But I agree with you that if the fella had
it all to.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Do over again, I can guarantee you he'd rather if
Josherard were handing him a burn a pistol, or a
burna launcher or a Smith and Wesson, he'd shoot the burner.
I feel certain of that fact that and that I
understand you're you're a career law enforcement offster. If I
(10:25):
was having this conversation with my late brother who was
as well, he would have taken your position as well.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You deal with it all day every day.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I don't what do you say to folks who say,
I don't. I can't put two weapons in my hand
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
How am I going to know which to choose?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Really, it comes down to the numbers and and you know,
and in any situation comes down to to the seconds
and being in that situation. So you know, not some
Monday morning quarterback anything, but you know you will have
to make that decision if it ever presents itself to you.
But I'm a numbers guy. I'm a data guy. And
when we look at the numbers of situations that you're
likely to encounter, and once again, I'm a cop. I
(11:07):
carried a gun every day in my life for the
last twenty years. But I've also carried burna, you know,
for the last five But when we look at the numbers,
you know, when we look at justifiable homicides throughout the US.
In twenty twenty three numbers, there are about four hundred
and seventy justifiable homicides in self defense across the US.
That's it, over the course of the year. So your chance,
your chance of having to use deadly force to protect
(11:29):
yourself to actually kill somebody is about one in seven
hundred thousand. That's the chance. Now, when we looked at
victimization or violent crime, victimization rates throughout the US in
the same year, your chance of being a victim of
violent crime is about one in two hundred and seventy.
So your chance of having to defend yourself in some
other way aside from the use of lethal force is
(11:54):
orders of magnitude greater than your chance of actually having
to kill someone in order to defend yourself. Now, I
do not want people to think that I'm here to
replace a gun. I'm a staunch for supporter of this
econd ofment. Like I said, carry gun every day. I'm
definitely I'd rather have it, not need and it need
not have guy. But with that being said, we have
(12:15):
to take a look at most likely scenarios. You know,
I was a swat guy for a long time and
we would always look at scenarios in two different ways.
What's the worst case scenario, what do I need to
be prepared for worst case? But then also what's the
most likely scenario to happen, And let's make sure we're
prepared for that too. So that we're not just you know,
overlooking the obvious out in front of us, and this
(12:35):
is no different. We want to be prepared for that
worst case scenario, but we really have to take a
hard look at what's most likely to happen and what
can I have and how can I prepare myself for
what's going to happen on a day to day basis
and what I know historically is more likely to happen.
So once again, in this case, having that option, having
that burn a you know, maybe he does make a mistake,
(12:57):
maybe it was just a game, and you know, there's
some harsh words exchange, but everybody's okay in the end,
and that's a much better outcome than sure than what
we're seeing today.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Well, and you know, I've presented option one, which is
a guy has has choices between the two. I think
it's maybe not the largest group, but the most number
of people who have responded to me that they bought
a burner.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Was because of the legal in all fifty states.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Because we speak for burner across the country, so I
hear from people across the country where they can't buy
a gun, but they can buy this, and it is
a less lethal self defense, and that's important, especially for women,
but for both and the other two things are no
background check, no license required. I believe that we overcriminalize
(13:46):
drug possession and underpenalize violent crime, and we have been
left with a situation where everybody's got a black mark,
which means there is no real ostracization to being a
anymore if everybody is a criminal, by which I mean
the number of listeners I get who say thanks for
the advice on Laburna. I haven't been able to carry
(14:09):
for X number of years, and now I have a
form of self defense I feel comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That is a shockingly high number of people.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
That is an absolute market section for us. And I've
had the same experience talking to so many people who
have told me the same thing. Hey man, I screwed
up twenty thirty years ago. You know, I was with
a group of kids. We stole a car. You know,
joy rided for a bit. But you know, thirty years later,
I've got a family, but I still have a felony
on my record, and I still cannot protect myself with
(14:40):
a gun, even in a state like Texas, where obviously
that's you know, in the vast majority of people. So
you know, it's really it's really interesting to and really
motivating for me to be able to say, hey, we
have a way for everyone out there, regardless of you
know your background, or regardless of your belief system, to
be able to get out. They protect themselves, protect.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Their family by r in a I am a big believer.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Josh Shard. Ramon said, I called you John Sharad. I
don't believe that's true. Josh Shirard, thank you for your
service in law enforcement, and thank you for informing people
by this. I think this is important. Thanks for being
agreeing to be our guest.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You're excited.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
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Speaker 2 (17:00):
Three
The Michael Barry Show a story earlier a few days
ago about what was described as a ding dong ditch
situation where folks run up and knock on the door
and run away, except in this case, it was an
eleven year old who did it, and as he was
(00:23):
fleeing the home, the homeowners shot and killed him. Now,
there's a lot of discussion about what is the proper
proportionate response to such a thing, and there will be
much made of the fact that he was running away
(00:44):
instead of toward. There are many officer involved shootings where,
for instance, someone runs at a cop with a knife,
cop draws and he turns back. There's a lot that
goes into this training. Adrenaline is pumping. You've got to
(01:05):
rely on your training. But even the best Tom Brady
threw interceptions. He skipped balls to receivers. No matter how
many passes you've thrown, with people pulling all over you,
it's still a very intense moment. Now, let me offer
as a side note, I don't believe all of these
(01:25):
are truly knock and run because there were a lot
of videos that they take themselves and post little idiots
where they go up and kick on the door, and
if it opens, they run in and steal everything they can.
If it doesn't open, they run off. So that way
when they're caught, Oh, we're just playing ding dong ditch ah,
(01:46):
you crazy kids, y'all don't do that anymore. That's not
actually what they were doing. And the media is all
too ready to make a George Floyd situation. But I
reached out to my folks, Berna, because one of the
things I am a believer in is your own self protection.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
My brother was a cop. You know this. I love cops,
big supporter of cops.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
They're not all perfect, but neither is Congress, neither is
your company, neither is the clergy. Most of them are
doing a good job for the right reasons and making
a difference. In fact, almost all of them, I would
say that about everybody has a bad day, including ramon
most days. Actually, So I reached out to them because
I am a believer and used the burner. I use
(02:33):
the compact launcher, and I saw this as an opportunity
to talk about how as the burner folks say, you
could have saved two lives, the boy and the homeowner,
because his life is forever changed and could be bad.
It is not always necessary to use lethal force and
(02:54):
burna is known as the less lethal option b whyr
in a dot com so I asked them for an
expert on the issue and they offered to me local
as it would happen. A former captain with the Galveston
Police Department and also an active Remax skydiving team member.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, you a skydived. I would never.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
My son went on his senior trip and he promises
he wouldn't skydive, and he did. He performs at Wingsover
Houston and other aero air shows as part of a
skydiving team. He is now with Berna while continuing to
fly and skydive, and he's a spokesman for national media outlets.
(03:35):
You may have seen him or heard him talking about
active shooter topics and the occasions where a less lethal
option could save not only that of the person that's killed,
but the person who pulls the trigger. John Scherard, Welcome
to the Michael Berry Show.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Hi, thanks for having me. That's quite the introduction. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Would you like me to go on with the other
more things you'd like me to offer?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
No, not at all that dead?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Is there anything about you that would surprise me, Like
do you have a tattoo on your face?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Do you have an eerie I do not.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
No, I try to, you know, maintain a clear and appearance.
Twenty years in law enforce, and I'll do that to you.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So, did you set the record at Ball High School
for the forty yard dash for a white boy?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Tell me something about you? It's interesting that I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I did not. I'm a I'm also a corporate jet pilot,
so part of my part time gig is.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So we made it fifty seven seconds before you told
us he was a pilot. Usually would normally gets in
there within that first minute normal.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Are you from somewhere? No, I'm actually from the Metroplex areas,
so actually from Dallas, and I moved down to start
working down in Galveston, PD back in two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
What brought you to Galveson PD?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
A job more than anything, really was?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It was Wiley the chief then? Who was the chief
back then?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
No, that was Kenneth mac. Kenneth Mack was a chief
back then, a great chief. Loved to working for him.
He hired me and gave me an opportunity and you know,
try to make him proud of every day.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
How long were you Galveston PD.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I was untill twenty twenty. I actually left in twenty
twenty and then that's when I took over or actually
was hired by Burnet to create the law Enforcement division
over there with a couple other guys.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So I met the Burna guys because they were in
they were on the border. Now Sheriff then Constable Jimmy
Fullen was taking PTO and going down to the border
and working from the border, and he and they connected
(05:34):
and they said, Hey, do you know a guy that's
down there we're talking. We want to have him as
one of our national spokesmen. And his name is Michael Berry.
And he Michael Berry's is very different. I know him
extraordinarily well protected his family over the years. So I've
known Jimmy a very long time. Tell me, do you
live on the island now?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I'm actually up in League City. So about a tasway
between the island and Houston.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And you're not gonna hear and Hault. You're gonna pick
one and one leone, one and one only. You get
one meal today. You haven't eaten all day. It's seven pm.
Where are you eating in gas?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Jugis them every time? August best selection, great atmosphere, loved owners, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
They They have been a sponsor of the show, just
kind of seasonally when they have events coming up, and
I don't do.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Less than a year.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I don't agree to that because then there's too much
cycle and I think confused listeners. Oh sure, but I've
made probably three exceptions in twenty years, and they are
one of them.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Because I think they do such a good job. I
think they're so good.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
They're they're great for Galison, but they're really good for
the strand they bring a lot of energy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, and there's they do a lot of philansprey down
Galiston as well. I mean they're heavily involved in the
community and that just you know, just really have that
Galveston vibe down there.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Are eighteen and nineteen now, so we don't get to
do it as much. But we wore that La Kings
or a lot of Kings, however you pronounce it across
the street.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
We wore that place out when they were kids.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
We go in and watch that big guy that looks
like the guy in One Flew Over the cuckoo's nest,
the big Indian guy that makes the taffy.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh that was a free all right.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
We'll talk to John Cherrard about Berna and leslethal force
in the case of the ding Dong ditch where the
kid had to be killed recently.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Coming up.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Your photo, Josh, are you a Haink junior fan?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Absolutely, I'm from Texas Ketaby.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, you know you say that there's a lot of
these Yankees that have moved in from Dallas.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Very true. I I originally when I moved down to Houston,
they called me a Yankee because I was in north
of North of Iten.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So that's exactly how we view it. Yes, of course.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, you gotta be careful these people in the woodlands
moving in and trying to change everything. So so you
know the ding Dong Ditch story, they were told me,
They told me you the Berna folks told me you
were perfectly well aware of the case and everything related
to it. How is that How is the result different
in that situation if the fella has an option other
(08:12):
than his firearm.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
You know a lot of people when we look at
shootings throughout the country and This is on the civilian side.
It's also on the law enforcement side as well. When
we really dive down into these shootings, a lot of
it comes down to the fact that that was the
person's only option. They felt that that was the only
tool that they had, the only option they had for response,
and so it was either do that or do nothing.
(08:36):
And unfortunately, a lot of times we see these decisions
like in this case, you know that that decision is
extraordinarily flawed because they feel that, well, this is the
only tool I have, so this is the response that
I'm going to have, and then we get into a
situation like this, So you know, that's where it's so
important to have those options and to have you know,
when it comes to force options. Once again, on the
(08:58):
civilian and law enforcement side, it's not a one size
fits all, you know, if it's not just it's either
you know, zero or ten, you have to have you know,
those options in the middle in order to respond appropriately,
because when it comes down to it, your response has
to be reasonable, regardless of the decision you make of
why you used it, it has to be reasonable. Now
(09:19):
in this case, you know, we're looking at at why
he may have used it, and you brought up a
very good point in the beginning of the show, and that's,
you know, he doesn't know what's going on. He doesn't
know that they're he may not know that they're playing
a game of ding Dong ditch, you know, and he
may err on the side of caution. But once again,
even if he did, that response still has to be reasonable,
(09:39):
and I think we can all agree that in this
particular case, it was not not reasonable.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I'm not sure if I'm a juror that I agree
with that, and I'm not sure that I wouldn't love
to take up the case as his defense attorney. And
siddlely read off for thirty minutes the current crime reports
of you young men attacking people.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But I agree with you that if the fella had
it all to.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Do over again, I can guarantee you he'd rather if
Josherard were handing him a burn a pistol, or a
burna launcher or a Smith and Wesson, he'd shoot the burner.
I feel certain of that fact that and that I
understand you're you're a career law enforcement offster. If I
(10:25):
was having this conversation with my late brother who was
as well, he would have taken your position as well.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You deal with it all day every day.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I don't what do you say to folks who say,
I don't. I can't put two weapons in my hand
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
How am I going to know which to choose?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Really, it comes down to the numbers and and you know,
and in any situation comes down to to the seconds
and being in that situation. So you know, not some
Monday morning quarterback anything, but you know you will have
to make that decision if it ever presents itself to you.
But I'm a numbers guy. I'm a data guy. And
when we look at the numbers of situations that you're
likely to encounter, and once again, I'm a cop. I
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carried a gun every day in my life for the
last twenty years. But I've also carried burna, you know,
for the last five But when we look at the numbers,
you know, when we look at justifiable homicides throughout the US.
In twenty twenty three numbers, there are about four hundred
and seventy justifiable homicides in self defense across the US.
That's it, over the course of the year. So your chance,
your chance of having to use deadly force to protect
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yourself to actually kill somebody is about one in seven
hundred thousand. That's the chance. Now, when we looked at
victimization or violent crime, victimization rates throughout the US in
the same year, your chance of being a victim of
violent crime is about one in two hundred and seventy.
So your chance of having to defend yourself in some
other way aside from the use of lethal force is
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orders of magnitude greater than your chance of actually having
to kill someone in order to defend yourself. Now, I
do not want people to think that I'm here to
replace a gun. I'm a staunch for supporter of this
econd ofment. Like I said, carry gun every day. I'm
definitely I'd rather have it, not need and it need
not have guy. But with that being said, we have
(12:15):
to take a look at most likely scenarios. You know,
I was a swat guy for a long time and
we would always look at scenarios in two different ways.
What's the worst case scenario, what do I need to
be prepared for worst case? But then also what's the
most likely scenario to happen, And let's make sure we're
prepared for that too. So that we're not just you know,
overlooking the obvious out in front of us, and this
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is no different. We want to be prepared for that
worst case scenario, but we really have to take a
hard look at what's most likely to happen and what
can I have and how can I prepare myself for
what's going to happen on a day to day basis
and what I know historically is more likely to happen.
So once again, in this case, having that option, having
that burn a you know, maybe he does make a mistake,
(12:57):
maybe it was just a game, and you know, there's
some harsh words exchange, but everybody's okay in the end,
and that's a much better outcome than sure than what
we're seeing today.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Well, and you know, I've presented option one, which is
a guy has has choices between the two. I think
it's maybe not the largest group, but the most number
of people who have responded to me that they bought
a burner.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Was because of the legal in all fifty states.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Because we speak for burner across the country, so I
hear from people across the country where they can't buy
a gun, but they can buy this, and it is
a less lethal self defense, and that's important, especially for women,
but for both and the other two things are no
background check, no license required. I believe that we overcriminalize
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drug possession and underpenalize violent crime, and we have been
left with a situation where everybody's got a black mark,
which means there is no real ostracization to being a
anymore if everybody is a criminal, by which I mean
the number of listeners I get who say thanks for
the advice on Laburna. I haven't been able to carry
(14:09):
for X number of years, and now I have a
form of self defense I feel comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
That is a shockingly high number of people.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
That is an absolute market section for us. And I've
had the same experience talking to so many people who
have told me the same thing. Hey man, I screwed
up twenty thirty years ago. You know, I was with
a group of kids. We stole a car. You know,
joy rided for a bit. But you know, thirty years later,
I've got a family, but I still have a felony
on my record, and I still cannot protect myself with
(14:40):
a gun, even in a state like Texas, where obviously
that's you know, in the vast majority of people. So
you know, it's really it's really interesting to and really
motivating for me to be able to say, hey, we
have a way for everyone out there, regardless of you
know your background, or regardless of your belief system, to
be able to get out. They protect themselves, protect.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Their family by r in a I am a big believer.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Josh Shard. Ramon said, I called you John Sharad. I
don't believe that's true. Josh Shirard, thank you for your
service in law enforcement, and thank you for informing people
by this. I think this is important. Thanks for being
agreeing to be our guest.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You're excited.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
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