January 20, 2026 • 34 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When is the last time you donated to somebody's like
GoFundMe or something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Probably in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right, so sometime last year you donated to a
go fundme or some kind of like crowdfunding site something
like that. Right, yes, do you trust them?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I don't trust the fact that they won't sell my
information and I'll be emailed incessantly.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
But you still gave.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, even though you don't trust.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Them, Sometimes you gotta do what your heart tells you
to do.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Amen, I always I follow mine or were you facing
a public sham? Sometimes?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You know what? That's fair, that's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
That is a fair point where you you do kind
of get stuck where you have to you have to give.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Now, I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I don't give because I have to. I give because
I want, and.
Speaker 7 (01:04):
You may you're one of the anonymous kickers.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
I've heard some people find themselves corner.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
No, that is true. No, No, I think that does
happen to a lot of people. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, but
not this person. No, not this well.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
No, because I don't want somebody to think because I
gave that I felt forced to do it.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I I like Danny, I lead from the heart.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I lead from the heart, even if even if I
don't necessarily trust all of the of the of the
of the the site.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yes, you lead from the heart.
Speaker 7 (01:36):
Well, that's kind of in the back of your mind
in certain cases, because you hear about fake gofundmes being
set up for well known tragedies.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
By the way, like for example, when you say well
known like that's so I started reading about the stupid
Mickey Rourke one that was going around, and he still
comes out and goes, I have nothing to do with that.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Is it still like a publicist's assistant. Who that's what
they're saying.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, that's what they're saying, that somebody set it up
and that he was evicted. But he's come out and said,
I don't I don't want money, Please do not do this.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
What can't say that, Well he did, I Well, I know,
but that would have gotten Domini.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
No, No, you could say that, you cannot Yeah that
you could say, okay, don't dump that Josh. But he
was like, there's no way. I don't want money. I
don't want I don't want people to.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Give me money.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
So it turns out a lot of people gave him money. Now,
they did reach out to go fund me, and I
believe all of those donors are being refunded.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Yeah, but didn't the manager say what Mickey's saying is
not true?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Yeah, but he just refused.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
He just doesn't want he just doesn't want the money. Yes,
but yes, the manager is like.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
He's in trouble. He got evicted. But leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Do you know what percentage of people Americans donated to
a they keep saying crowd funded?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
But can we just call it a gofund me? Wait,
what's wrong?
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Sorry, I'm getting a lot of row heated apparel ads.
Oh you were saying.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So they keep calling it like crowdfunding and crowdfunding and crowdfunding.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
Yeah, well you go fund me is the big one,
but there's others.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Well that's what I was gonna say. Can we just
say gofund me?
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
What percentage of American adults Americans donated to a gofund.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Me last year?
Speaker 7 (03:44):
I'll say thirty five.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm sorry, it just says donated to a crowdfunding site
thirty five percent.
Speaker 7 (03:52):
Yeah, I think that's a good amount.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
You're a little high, You're a little high.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It's twenty percent twenty percent, which I don't know if
I think that that's higher. I mean, I have you have,
you have you have? So we're one hundred percent in here.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
For as ubiquitous as crowdfunding is, one in five does
seem low?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Oh really because the numbers of people that don't trust
at all, yeah, is astronomical.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Well, half the reporting on these fundraisers are the scammers.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Yeah right, Oh, police don't fall for this, right, Okay, but.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yes, but for for all good, there's evil.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But it does make you believe that for all the
reports you hear of like it's a scam or don't
do that, like those are those are those are just scams?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Those are just flat out scams.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But even donating to somebody or a situation that you
may know, people are still like, I don't trust it.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Really, Oh they think the person is scamming. So it's not.
It is actually going to the organizer, correct, But the
entirety of the campaign is a scam.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I don't like scam. I don't like scam. The belief
is well number one. Here's the other thing. Do you
know only ten percent of gofundmes even hit.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Their goal, but go fundme still pays out even if
it doesn't hit goal.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Oh yeah, I mean you still get Like if you
were asking for one hundred thousand dollars and it raised
a ten thousand, you'd still get the ten thousands.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Or how much does go fundme hold on to well
processing costs or whatever that, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They are a for profit, they'll remind you. Sure, I
am a for profit company. So there are service fees
which people don't like. People don't like that, but you
know what they hate more and this I don't give
regularly enough. I don't give regularly enough to know that
(06:04):
this is an issue. Did you know that go fund
me encourages tipping?
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Well, sometimes who tipping? Yeah? But who gets the tip? Now?
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Is it a tip tip? Or is it saying like
when you are asked to pay like an extra five
bucks for like credit card processing or something like that,
or is it a legit tip?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
They what I was reading, and I didn't know this,
but they were.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
They said that people don't like that they encourage tipping,
And in my head I was like, why am I tipping?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Just donate?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
But I guess they encourage tipping of seventeen point five percent?
Is that a field and it's going directly to go
fund me. Yes, So people are like, they don't like
that GoFundMe has a service fee, which listen they're doing
import Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I'll be very honest, I don't even remember how much
of my of my donation ends up going to goes
up to the sort Krista, will you find me somebody
who's familiar with GoFundMe, either on the having had one
set up or donating to one. But again, I don't
donate enough. I'm more of a direct to person. What
(07:21):
is I didn't there's tipping, and they said that it is.
It is like a forced.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Step, yeah, which I don't understand.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Not mandatory.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, tipping is never mandatory, but but you're so accustomed.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
To tipping, right, So I don't even know. I don't
even know that I knew that you could tip.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's a donation. Christian, will you find me somebody who's
knowledgeable please? Eight six six to Elliott eight six six
two three five five.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Four six eight.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
So I wonder if is there a little info button
under the tip field that explains exactly why you should
be giving money to the platform in order when they're
taking money out of the fund.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
So that's where I would go.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It's something if they said, hey, listen, we have to
take a service fee. We handle all the transactions, we
handle all the money, we get all the interests, but
we handle all of these things and the service and
the support.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And all that. I would go, listen, I get it.
I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Somebody somebody's doing the administrative work and paying people. That's
how they make their I don't know are their ads
on GoFundMe.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I don't recall what imagine.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Let's see if one for.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
So I would I would understand that. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I don't remember what the service fee is, but I
would understand if you needed the fees to keep GoFundMe going.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
And they are for profit, so that's okay. I understand that.
But the tipping thing is crazy.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
I don't think I've ever noticed that.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
No, not at all.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Now Here they have fundraising tips, but it's just a
guide to raising the most.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Raising the money.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So a couple of things in this study that I
was surprised to find. They asked Americans adults to agree confidently,
somewhat or not confident at all about how they feel
using GoFundMe. What is your confidence level that the crowdfunders
(09:39):
really need the money? Now you know, only thirteen percent
said I'm confident. I'm like, I'm very confident they need it.
Why would you do a gofund me if you don't
need the money?
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Because some are set up by third parties and that's
where there could I think be I don't want to
say suspicion, but wonder, or just because somebody may be
in the news and it's like, oh, they went viral
because they got stiffed. Say back to tips, they got stiffed.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
At a ball or something, right, and the.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Patron yelled at them. Again, they someone sets up and
go fund me for them. You don't know what that
person's financial situation is, so you you it's hard to
be extremely confident because there are situations they go viral
that lead to fundraising and you you don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
But can I can I ask this.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's easy to point to the viral one, but ninety
nine percent of them don't go viral.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
No, I'm talking about the ones that are that are
born out of viral situation.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Okay, yeah, but ninety nine percent or.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Not, how many are they're actively hosting the website, like
how many campaigns are on there any times?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Millions?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Oh, it is in the millions, that's my guess.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, I may set one up for what I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Let's see if they have a number on that.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Forty percent of people believe most crowdfunders don't need.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
The money, but then don't donate it to it.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
But you get pressured, but you gave us a scale, right,
was that the somewhat confident?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
No, thirteen percent?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Extremely confident they need the money, which I feel like
the only ones I've ever donated to I am confident
they need the money. Somewhat confident is forty five percent?
Not confident at all? Forty percent?
Speaker 6 (11:33):
And does go fund me the other big one when
these first came out of the same as Kickstarter does
does go fund me still do project based?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Oh, like I'm trying, I'm trying to invent a new
tire and I just need money?
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Or has that guy? I think it's shifted all the
way over to just kickstarter and the what was the
other one, like crowd indeed yo, go yeah, god yeah,
go go go de go go yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
What percentage of people think that the users don't use
the money responsibly.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Oh so if they've gotten a lot more, maybe.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
That's or just Danny, that's another biggie. That's another biggie.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
If you see they've met their goal, will you hesitate
for a moment because I know you still in the end,
will donate.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Yeah, I mean they have enough, but then they can
go back in and jack up the goal.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And I get like some of them, I get right
if it's if it's something bad and they're like, oh,
I think about.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
Some people who lose everything in a house fire, you know,
and ask.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
For ten grand, like you know, seriously, you know it
costs more than that, right, you know, if you're if
you like, we see house fires all the time this
time of year.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Right, I'm always happy to help.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
The but when you see somebody's like their whole house,
family of four, they have no place to live.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Our goal is eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Well, that's on the organizer. Is that the house selling approach?
Speaker 6 (13:04):
What do you mean you don't want to put the
goal so high because I'd rather ask.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
For a million and get nine hundred thousand than ask
for eight thousand to get ten thousand.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
But you know how agents will tell you got to
price this in a way that we don't have to
publicly bring the price down because everyone.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Will write you rather have a bidding.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
So if you see only one thousand dollars has been
donated to Elliott's million dollar.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Goal, I'm also not donating.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
People may think Elliott is a scam like this, Why
aren't people donating?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Nobody thought he was going to get a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
But if the donation is like, we need ten thousand
dollars and you're at like eleven, somebody else needs, I'm
looking at them. No, that's no, that's uncomfortable because now
it's like now you're encouraging them not to spend responsibly.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Is there a button on a fund me that can
essentially just transport you on the website to a mystery campaign?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Don't know that.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I do know there's an x in the top right
hand corner that you can click. Yeah, well, don't take
me to some mystery go fund me. I was trying
to help Jim who lost his house.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
I mean they stopped, sure, yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Coing no, because they already got what they wanted.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Will sell you you personally stopped.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
If you go if you're going to somebody's wedding and
you go to their registry and it says we need
five measuring cups and they're all purchased, and you.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Go, nope, they're getting six. No.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
No.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Then you're like, then you're then you're just you're just
getting them stuff they don't need. So if they ask
for ten and they're already out eleven, I don't want
to be the moron that gave them more than they need.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Some people do stick to the original goal and donate
the excess. You can't you saying you can't count on that?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That's the is that I don't know if I trust
that responsibly. Listen, if I if I asked for a
million and I got one point one million, I ain't
donating that.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's me. Line six. Hi ell yea in the morning.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Hey, good morning.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Hey, who's this?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hey? This is Michael from Baltimore. Yes, sir, my sister
had pretty bad cancer and her husband set up with
GoFundMe for twenty grand and they ended up raising like
just over twenty to pay for medical bills, but he
used it to buy a hot tub instead.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
For her recovery.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
No for him, Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
See you hate to hear that, now, do you did
they put in the description any money over our goal
will go towards a hot tub.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
No, he failed to leave that part out.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Were people pissed?
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
He died in twenty sixteen, and there are many friends
and family who still don't talk to him because of it.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yes, that's that's bad. That's bad. Like that you I would,
I would never do.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And I will tell you this, like if there were
somebody like a lot of times, like a lot of
times a gofundmeal go through an office or like a
like a group of people, Dude, if there were if
there was somebody here, like if it were like I don't,
I don't know what Dustin would need a GoFundMe.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
For more hot sauce?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
The no no.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But if like if there was one for Dustin, like
he needed like medicine or something, and then like he
bought a hot tub, Not only would I never talk
to him again, I would publicly shame him to everybody
I knew for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Did that happen? Did that happen in your family?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It did?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I had some family members who posted all over Facebook,
sent sent a letter to his boss at his work
at his employment.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Okay, that's not the We're gonna go to somebody's boss.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Somebody's bosss money was supposed to go help a woman
who is battling cancer.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And you I understand all of that, but you're gonna
call that person's boss and go, hey, just so you
know what, your employee.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
Just send an anonymous Facebook the publicly shaming.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
It's gonna get around they again, is.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
The boss thing to private?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
No, but there's no connection there.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
No, they're really because the boss and his coworkers all
donated to the gofundment.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Okay, I'm glad I paid for your hotu.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Okay, well you didn't say that they were involved in
the gimmick. No, no, then then it's okay. Then it's
thank you, thank you sir. That's a dick move.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
But if the employer tip on top of that.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
If the employer hasn't donated, then you think it's bad.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yes, like if it were if it were all away
from work. It was just like in a neighborhood, right,
and the person did bought hot tub, I don't know that.
You call their boss and go, hey, just so, let
me tell you what one of your employees, because what's
the boss supposed to do with You can't fire someone
for that if they weren't probably can't if they if
(18:13):
they weren't asked to be involved in it. I'm gonna
go fire you because you're you're you're a piece of
garbage with go fund me funds.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I can't fire you for that.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
But if it's a small company that's local in the community,
is engaged quite a bit with it, and it could
expect that, Yes.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Thank you for bringing this to our intention, we are
working on.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It, and you've got a file the Yeah, no, maybe
you start looking to get rid.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Of that person.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
If that person screws up in the least way the
or you could probably prove and say, look at all
the damage that's been done to our reputation.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But if they're a great employee, he's always relaxed, always
makes budget, sales are through the roof. As a matter
of fact, he's he's one of the reasons that we're afloat.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Yeah, a good point. Stuff does get over looked quite
a bit.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I can't fire you for that. I can't fire you
for that. I can't fire you for not leading with
the heart Oh, also, we didn't find out what is
the people's people say that the fees that GoFundMe charges
are way too unreasonable.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
But I don't know what the fee is.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
But that doesn't go to the donating person. It's the
person getting the funds. They take a cut of.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
They take a cut out of that, right, But is
it too high? I don't know because I don't know
what it is. I also don't like the tipping idea.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Hi, elliot in the morning.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Hi, this is Nicole.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's why I'm a huge fan of the meal train. Yes, Hi,
who is this? Yes? What can I do for you?
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Hi, good morning.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I started to go fund me page two weeks ago
for my dad. He is in Maine and U first
time in jail. Fun fact MANE did not have bail bondsmen,
and so I tried to start a gofund me and
I started off with fifty dollars. It charged me eight
(20:12):
seventy five and then I started hearing from all my
other friends how much they were being charged, so I
shut the go fund me down. They just couldn't see it.
They charged me. It's at the end, so I had
collected one seventy five. Every sixty dollars is eight seventy five.
(20:37):
I can't do the match right now because I'm driving.
Moral of the story is when I cash out to
go fund me to return the money to everybody, it
was like one hundred and thirty four dollars, so they
had charged on top of that. So they charged people
to funds and then charged me to get the money.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Why why were you why did you show it down
and start?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Oh, because people were having to pay exormin fees. Yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Almost ten dollars to donate fifty dollars And I'm trying
to get a criminal defense attorney for my dad to jail.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Can I ask why why is your old man in jail?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Honestly, it's reckless, in danger, meant with a firearm.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And the the.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
The And I understand you're trying to get him an attorney,
and you know everybody, everybody's entitled to a to a
to a fair trial of their peers. Isn't that a
weird thing to ask? Like do you think he was
wrongly accused or something?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I actually don't know all of the details. I just
know that the state of Maine is one of three
in the United States that does not have bail bondsmen.
And when you start like getting more and more int
cases and stuff like that, you learn like how they
charge their bail with fifty thousand dollars cash, right.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
True, Yeah, no, I understand. I understand what you're saying
about there.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Not being bail bondsman. That is a but that like,
that's a weird one to ask. Maybe it's just me,
And listen, I'm not I'm not down on your dad.
I really don't know anything about him. The but that's
a weird GoFundMe.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Right, I was really hesitant to point it out.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
But I also was.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Trying to get money for the attorney as well. So
fifty thousand dollars in bail and then up to twenty
five thousand dollars for a criminal defense attorney because the
state itself doesn't have enough criminal defense attorneys.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Gotcha, gotcha, But you ended up having to shut it down.
And even if you shut it down, though, they keep
the money. Well, they're gonna say, we're still doing our work.
So is it essentially, thank you, ma'am, good luck? Is
it essentially twenty percent of the donation goes to fees?
Speaker 6 (23:02):
No, they say that's why I'm so surprised by those numbers,
don't they say it's like around three percent, that's automatic.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
If you were twenty percent, nobody would do that. That'd
be way too high.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
I don't know what's going on there, but you do
see people trying to raise funds for legal fees quite
a bit on Goo Fundming.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Legal fees is one thing getting out of jail. That's
the weird. You should have just said legal fees.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Oh so she like baby, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
No, no, you know what I mean. Like, if I'll
just use.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Dustin again, Right, Dustin's in jail for reckless endangerment with
a firearm and he needs he needs money. Yeah, if
he were saying I'm raising money for legal fees, listen,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I still don't think I'm donating.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But it's different if I'm bailing him out versus bailing
him out and paying for his legal fees.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
And you threw in the wrench of the accusation maybe
having been wrongful. Yeah, sure, there's a lot that could
go into why you need money.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's just a that's a weird one like it. That's
just say a girlfriend of mine has cancer.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
They don't trust these.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, I don't know what to do. I don't know
what to do.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
I get nervous. You're here a lot. Now, forget We're
all familiar with scammers setting up sites when they see
stories in the news, things like that, of course, but
how about when they copy your campaign word for word, photos, updates.
Everything looks the same, So it becomes hard to figure
(24:42):
out is this the right one or is this the
right one?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Right? So is it for Elliott Siegel with two tea's
or one teh It's just a duplicate and it's gotten
people's scam.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
That's a horrible thing to do.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Well, it's just yeah, so is setting up one on
behalf of the family when the family has no idea
what's been set up.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Absolutely, that's bad to do. It's also bad to buy
the hot tub.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
That's when you hope that karma works well.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Mike Jones did chime in on that as a member
of the hot Tub Club, I cannot blame the guy
for what he did. You only live once.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Line six, Hi Elliott in the morning. Hello, Hi, who's
this Hi?
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Kristin?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yes, Kristin, what can I do for you?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So we had a gofund me set up.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
For my husband and I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And they take a percentage of transaction fees, which is
two point nine percent plus thirty cents per donation, and
they say it covers the cost of credit cards safely
delivering donations and to offer new ways to donate.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So wait, so it's it's it's a three percent of
what however much is raised plus thirty cents per transaction
per donation?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Oh, per donation per donation.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Yes, so that's their fees they take on top of
anything else.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
If you do the tipping, please tell me nobody that
donated to you is tipped.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I highly doubt they would knowing half the people.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But no, no, don't be upset with them for being cheap.
That's the time to be cheap. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Never tip when I send donations because it goes straight
to the platform and not to the people.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Have you seen that though, Like I don't recall seeing it.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
But is it, like is it a four screen that
pops up like after you hit submit on your donation?
Speaker 8 (26:37):
It is?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
And do most people just.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Think like, oh, here's like an additional I donated fifty,
but here's like an additional you know, three, four or
five dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, and it goes straight to them to help them
keep their platform running.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Now, I will ask do most of the people, what
did you if you don't mind, what did you set
up your gofund for?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
My husband is a US marshall and he got injured
in the line of duty of Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
And the the the I feel like that's legit. I
feel like that's legit.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
The verification process was insane once it reached a certain
amount that.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I had to do fight through who go fund me.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
To ensure that it was like really our family and
going to us.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Well, I kind of like that, do what's the threshold
where you have to where you have to commit.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Like you have to?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I think we just had a lot coming in at
once that they were like, well, hold on, we need
to verify. And if they couldn't verify, they said they're refunded.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
Everybody, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Hope, I hope your husband's doing okay, Oh yeah he's
good now good good good?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And hey, can I ask you this? Do you do
you like or dislike the anonymous donation.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
So I can actually see who the people were.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Whoa, whoa, whoa?
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Wait, you know that.
Speaker 8 (28:01):
Whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Wait no, no, no, no, no, no, no anybody No,
this is by the way, this.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Is the biggest light bulb moment. Wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
You you're in anybody who says it's anonymous, you can
see who donated.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Ye, no, no, no, anonymous means you could.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Go lower anonymous.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
God damn it.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
So the receiver knows who. So if I said I'm
gonna keep my name anonymous, you see that it's from me.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, so you're just anonymous publicly on the website that
since I no, I can see.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
God, damn it. Oh that's the worst thing ever. Oh,
I don't like that. I know that changes things.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
And you attached yourself to a lot of anonymous donation
remember DC publics that math fun? Yeah, could they see
who actually gave that money?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yes, if it's true, Oh my god, that's what.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Well. Wow, No, Now I feel bad because there was
somebody where I was like, I feel like I should
donate more, but everybody else is donating that. I don't
want to be that guy. So I'll just do anonymous.
I'll do it, and now they know.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Damn it. Oh, I'm so glad you called. Thank you
thank you.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Now that's bad. No, you know why and I don't.
I'll tell you why I don't like that. I'll tell
you why I don't like that. Not cool, GoFundMe, totally
not cool.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
And do they like where's the FAQ that tells you that?
Which I've never read?
Speaker 6 (29:43):
But no, you know why I don't like that because
you scroll through all the amounts and hope someone's done
ninety nine dollars and people will assume that's Elliott with
his Gretzky donation.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
No, no, but you know what, you know what? Can
I tell you why I don't like that?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Because there are some time First of all, first of all,
I do encourage everybody if they if they learn of
a donation through us, to hashtag em right. But there
are sometimes where people people like to be generous and help,
but they don't want any recognition for it, right right.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I mean I may or.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
May not be one of those people, but that's irrelevant.
But let's say let's say like DC Public Schools.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Was twenty million dollars anonymously.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Well, let's say let's say somebody is like, I really
want to make a donation, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I don't want any I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
It's not that I don't want the family to know,
like they'll know I'm anonymous, but don't.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Know there are people like that.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Absolutely, Well this screws that, it really does.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
Ooh, that's bad because then somebody's gonna talk.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Because you're telling me it's anonymous.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
It's like the person who puts the rare coin in
the South Alban Army bottom. I don't understand why that's
an eye that was audible. In many of those cases,
it's it's done that way to be anonymous.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I know, I know, I know, I know, I.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
See that's Yeah, that's anod school way to do that.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yeah, I know, but nobody does.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
That's like when when the the Jerry telethon, they would
do that.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
I just I don't understand. So in that case, you
you just gave a passionate defense of staying anonymous, but
you think that those people shouldn't do.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
It that because you don't know where that coin ends up.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Oh, you don't trust it's going to be spent in
any way pocket.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Well also, you know, by the way, it's not worth
anything the rear coin as you hold it isn't worth
whatever I'm filling the Salivation Army thing for.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
It's not worth anything.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So they either got to go sell it or hawk
it or whatever they're doing.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
You actually created.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
Work for them.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
From this past December, Miss three donor drops gold coin
worth forty one hundred dollars in a Salvation Army donation bucket.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
All right, well you know what, let me let me
put that in my pocket and keep it safe for now.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
You risked too much.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
The staff did have to get in a praise.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
See, well they're lucky that the person turned it in.
It was a I would turn it in, but there
are people that would.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Go, I just found a gold coin.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
It was a tape shut dollar bill with the gold
coin hidden inside.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
That's cool. But it was done anonymously.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yes, m.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Wow, that is the biggest eye opener. I hate that you're.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Gonna be bothered by that all day.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, because I'm thinking of one person right now, and
what if that person is like.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, I kind of thought Elliot would give a little more.
But are we? And I was like, well, they won't
know I'm anonymous.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
Oh they know, they know?
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Are we just sounding dumb? Does everyone know that? No?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Because and nobody would. Nobody would donate anonymously. Did you
know that? No?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
And that's why when you see somebody balling, you're like, oh,
look at that kiss ass.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Oh you mean when it's an amount and their name
is a test? Yeah, I thought you've been balling, like crying.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
What do you what are you writing down?
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Remember we mocked him, but it.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Was for a different reason.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yes, but still you're like, oh, okay, we'll show off.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, you know what the whole family knows. May as
well let everybody know. No more anonymous donations.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Wow, is that eye opening? That's really eye opening. That
bothers me, who.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Noe to self. That's why I don't trust gofund me anymore.
All my donations that I did just to be, just
to be what is that?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
What is that called benevolent and philanthropic?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Silently? Nope, not so silent.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
I'm sticking to give butter dot com.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
That's one.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
When you see that name, you're like, how is that
even a real website?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
But give it to me. I'll take butter. I'll take
my house burned. I need new butter. He's at his gold,
He's at his gold. That's the other one. Move it up,
When is the last time you donated to somebody's like
GoFundMe or something like that.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Probably in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right, so sometime last year you donated to a
go fundme or some kind of like crowdfunding site something
like that. Right, yes, do you trust them?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I don't trust the fact that they won't sell my
information and I'll be emailed incessantly.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
But you still gave.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, even though you don't trust.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Them, Sometimes you gotta do what your heart tells you
to do.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Amen, I always I follow mine or were you facing
a public sham? Sometimes?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You know what? That's fair, that's a fair point.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
That is a fair point where you you do kind
of get stuck where you have to you have to give.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Now, I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I don't give because I have to. I give because
I want, and.
Speaker 7 (01:04):
You may you're one of the anonymous kickers.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
I've heard some people find themselves corner.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
No, that is true. No, No, I think that does
happen to a lot of people. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, but
not this person. No, not this well.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
No, because I don't want somebody to think because I
gave that I felt forced to do it.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I I like Danny, I lead from the heart.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I lead from the heart, even if even if I
don't necessarily trust all of the of the of the
of the the site.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yes, you lead from the heart.
Speaker 7 (01:36):
Well, that's kind of in the back of your mind
in certain cases, because you hear about fake gofundmes being
set up for well known tragedies.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
By the way, like for example, when you say well
known like that's so I started reading about the stupid
Mickey Rourke one that was going around, and he still
comes out and goes, I have nothing to do with that.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Is it still like a publicist's assistant. Who that's what
they're saying.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, that's what they're saying, that somebody set it up
and that he was evicted. But he's come out and said,
I don't I don't want money, Please do not do this.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
What can't say that, Well he did, I Well, I know,
but that would have gotten Domini.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
No, No, you could say that, you cannot Yeah that
you could say, okay, don't dump that Josh. But he
was like, there's no way. I don't want money. I
don't want I don't want people to.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Give me money.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
So it turns out a lot of people gave him money. Now,
they did reach out to go fund me, and I
believe all of those donors are being refunded.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Yeah, but didn't the manager say what Mickey's saying is
not true?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Yeah, but he just refused.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
He just doesn't want he just doesn't want the money. Yes,
but yes, the manager is like.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
He's in trouble. He got evicted. But leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Do you know what percentage of people Americans donated to
a they keep saying crowd funded?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
But can we just call it a gofund me? Wait,
what's wrong?
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Sorry, I'm getting a lot of row heated apparel ads.
Oh you were saying.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So they keep calling it like crowdfunding and crowdfunding and crowdfunding.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
Yeah, well you go fund me is the big one,
but there's others.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Well that's what I was gonna say. Can we just
say gofund me?
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
What percentage of American adults Americans donated to a gofund.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Me last year?
Speaker 7 (03:44):
I'll say thirty five.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm sorry, it just says donated to a crowdfunding site
thirty five percent.
Speaker 7 (03:52):
Yeah, I think that's a good amount.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
You're a little high, You're a little high.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It's twenty percent twenty percent, which I don't know if
I think that that's higher. I mean, I have you have,
you have you have? So we're one hundred percent in here.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
For as ubiquitous as crowdfunding is, one in five does
seem low?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Oh really because the numbers of people that don't trust
at all, yeah, is astronomical.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Well, half the reporting on these fundraisers are the scammers.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Yeah right, Oh, police don't fall for this, right, Okay, but.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yes, but for for all good, there's evil.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But it does make you believe that for all the
reports you hear of like it's a scam or don't
do that, like those are those are those are just scams?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Right?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Those are just flat out scams.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But even donating to somebody or a situation that you
may know, people are still like, I don't trust it.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Really, Oh they think the person is scamming. So it's not.
It is actually going to the organizer, correct, But the
entirety of the campaign is a scam.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I don't like scam. I don't like scam. The belief
is well number one. Here's the other thing. Do you
know only ten percent of gofundmes even hit.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Their goal, but go fundme still pays out even if
it doesn't hit goal.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Oh yeah, I mean you still get Like if you
were asking for one hundred thousand dollars and it raised
a ten thousand, you'd still get the ten thousands.
Speaker 7 (05:36):
Or how much does go fundme hold on to well
processing costs or whatever that, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They are a for profit, they'll remind you. Sure, I
am a for profit company. So there are service fees
which people don't like. People don't like that, but you
know what they hate more and this I don't give
regularly enough. I don't give regularly enough to know that
(06:04):
this is an issue. Did you know that go fund
me encourages tipping?
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Well, sometimes who tipping? Yeah? But who gets the tip? Now?
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Is it a tip tip? Or is it saying like
when you are asked to pay like an extra five
bucks for like credit card processing or something like that,
or is it a legit tip?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
They what I was reading, and I didn't know this,
but they were.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
They said that people don't like that they encourage tipping,
And in my head I was like, why am I tipping?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Just donate?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
But I guess they encourage tipping of seventeen point five percent?
Is that a field and it's going directly to go
fund me. Yes, So people are like, they don't like
that GoFundMe has a service fee, which listen they're doing
import Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I'll be very honest, I don't even remember how much
of my of my donation ends up going to goes
up to the sort Krista, will you find me somebody
who's familiar with GoFundMe, either on the having had one
set up or donating to one. But again, I don't
donate enough. I'm more of a direct to person. What
(07:21):
is I didn't there's tipping, and they said that it is.
It is like a forced.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Step, yeah, which I don't understand.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Not mandatory.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, tipping is never mandatory, but but you're so accustomed.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
To tipping, right, So I don't even know. I don't
even know that I knew that you could tip.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's a donation. Christian, will you find me somebody who's
knowledgeable please? Eight six six to Elliott eight six six
two three five five.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Four six eight.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
So I wonder if is there a little info button
under the tip field that explains exactly why you should
be giving money to the platform in order when they're
taking money out of the fund.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
So that's where I would go.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It's something if they said, hey, listen, we have to
take a service fee. We handle all the transactions, we
handle all the money, we get all the interests, but
we handle all of these things and the service and
the support.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And all that. I would go, listen, I get it.
I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Somebody somebody's doing the administrative work and paying people. That's
how they make their I don't know are their ads
on GoFundMe.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I don't recall what imagine.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Let's see if one for.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
So I would I would understand that. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I don't remember what the service fee is, but I
would understand if you needed the fees to keep GoFundMe going.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
And they are for profit, so that's okay. I understand that.
But the tipping thing is crazy.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
I don't think I've ever noticed that.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
No, not at all.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Now Here they have fundraising tips, but it's just a
guide to raising the most.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Raising the money.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So a couple of things in this study that I
was surprised to find. They asked Americans adults to agree confidently,
somewhat or not confident at all about how they feel
using GoFundMe. What is your confidence level that the crowdfunders
(09:39):
really need the money? Now you know, only thirteen percent
said I'm confident. I'm like, I'm very confident they need it.
Why would you do a gofund me if you don't
need the money?
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Because some are set up by third parties and that's
where there could I think be I don't want to
say suspicion, but wonder, or just because somebody may be
in the news and it's like, oh, they went viral
because they got stiffed. Say back to tips, they got stiffed.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
At a ball or something, right, and the.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Patron yelled at them. Again, they someone sets up and
go fund me for them. You don't know what that
person's financial situation is, so you you it's hard to
be extremely confident because there are situations they go viral
that lead to fundraising and you you don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
But can I can I ask this.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's easy to point to the viral one, but ninety
nine percent of them don't go viral.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
No, I'm talking about the ones that are that are
born out of viral situation.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Okay, yeah, but ninety nine percent or.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Not, how many are they're actively hosting the website, like
how many campaigns are on there any times?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Millions?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Oh, it is in the millions, that's my guess.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, I may set one up for what I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Let's see if they have a number on that.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Forty percent of people believe most crowdfunders don't need.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
The money, but then don't donate it to it.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
But you get pressured, but you gave us a scale, right,
was that the somewhat confident?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
No, thirteen percent?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Extremely confident they need the money, which I feel like
the only ones I've ever donated to I am confident
they need the money. Somewhat confident is forty five percent?
Not confident at all? Forty percent?
Speaker 6 (11:33):
And does go fund me the other big one when
these first came out of the same as Kickstarter does
does go fund me still do project based?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Oh, like I'm trying, I'm trying to invent a new
tire and I just need money?
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Or has that guy? I think it's shifted all the
way over to just kickstarter and the what was the
other one, like crowd indeed yo, go yeah, god yeah,
go go go de go go yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
What percentage of people think that the users don't use
the money responsibly.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Oh so if they've gotten a lot more, maybe.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
That's or just Danny, that's another biggie. That's another biggie.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
If you see they've met their goal, will you hesitate
for a moment because I know you still in the end,
will donate.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Yeah, I mean they have enough, but then they can
go back in and jack up the goal.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And I get like some of them, I get right
if it's if it's something bad and they're like, oh,
I think about.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
Some people who lose everything in a house fire, you know,
and ask.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
For ten grand, like you know, seriously, you know it
costs more than that, right, you know, if you're if
you like, we see house fires all the time this
time of year.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Right, I'm always happy to help.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
The but when you see somebody's like their whole house,
family of four, they have no place to live.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Our goal is eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Well, that's on the organizer. Is that the house selling approach?
Speaker 6 (13:04):
What do you mean you don't want to put the
goal so high because I'd rather ask.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
For a million and get nine hundred thousand than ask
for eight thousand to get ten thousand.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
But you know how agents will tell you got to
price this in a way that we don't have to
publicly bring the price down because everyone.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Will write you rather have a bidding.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
So if you see only one thousand dollars has been
donated to Elliott's million dollar.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Goal, I'm also not donating.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
People may think Elliott is a scam like this, Why
aren't people donating?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Nobody thought he was going to get a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
But if the donation is like, we need ten thousand
dollars and you're at like eleven, somebody else needs, I'm
looking at them. No, that's no, that's uncomfortable because now
it's like now you're encouraging them not to spend responsibly.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Is there a button on a fund me that can
essentially just transport you on the website to a mystery campaign?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Don't know that.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I do know there's an x in the top right
hand corner that you can click. Yeah, well, don't take
me to some mystery go fund me. I was trying
to help Jim who lost his house.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
I mean they stopped, sure, yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Coing no, because they already got what they wanted.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Will sell you you personally stopped.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
If you go if you're going to somebody's wedding and
you go to their registry and it says we need
five measuring cups and they're all purchased, and you.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Go, nope, they're getting six. No.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
No.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Then you're like, then you're then you're just you're just
getting them stuff they don't need. So if they ask
for ten and they're already out eleven, I don't want
to be the moron that gave them more than they need.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Some people do stick to the original goal and donate
the excess. You can't you saying you can't count on that?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
That's the is that I don't know if I trust
that responsibly. Listen, if I if I asked for a
million and I got one point one million, I ain't
donating that.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's me. Line six. Hi ell yea in the morning.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Hey, good morning.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Hey, who's this?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hey? This is Michael from Baltimore. Yes, sir, my sister
had pretty bad cancer and her husband set up with
GoFundMe for twenty grand and they ended up raising like
just over twenty to pay for medical bills, but he
used it to buy a hot tub instead.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
For her recovery.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
No for him, Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
See you hate to hear that, now, do you did
they put in the description any money over our goal
will go towards a hot tub.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
No, he failed to leave that part out.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Man.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Were people pissed?
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
He died in twenty sixteen, and there are many friends
and family who still don't talk to him because of it.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yes, that's that's bad. That's bad. Like that you I would,
I would never do.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And I will tell you this, like if there were
somebody like a lot of times, like a lot of
times a gofundmeal go through an office or like a
like a group of people, Dude, if there were if
there was somebody here, like if it were like I don't,
I don't know what Dustin would need a GoFundMe.
Speaker 7 (16:32):
For more hot sauce?
Speaker 4 (16:34):
The no no.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But if like if there was one for Dustin, like
he needed like medicine or something, and then like he
bought a hot tub, Not only would I never talk
to him again, I would publicly shame him to everybody
I knew for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Did that happen? Did that happen in your family?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It did?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I had some family members who posted all over Facebook,
sent sent a letter to his boss at his work
at his employment.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Okay, that's not the We're gonna go to somebody's boss.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Somebody's bosss money was supposed to go help a woman
who is battling cancer.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And you I understand all of that, but you're gonna
call that person's boss and go, hey, just so you
know what, your employee.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
Just send an anonymous Facebook the publicly shaming.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
It's gonna get around they again, is.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
The boss thing to private?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
No, but there's no connection there.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
No, they're really because the boss and his coworkers all
donated to the gofundment.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Okay, I'm glad I paid for your hotu.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Okay, well you didn't say that they were involved in
the gimmick. No, no, then then it's okay. Then it's
thank you, thank you sir. That's a dick move.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
But if the employer tip on top of that.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
If the employer hasn't donated, then you think it's bad.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yes, like if it were if it were all away
from work. It was just like in a neighborhood, right,
and the person did bought hot tub, I don't know that.
You call their boss and go, hey, just so, let
me tell you what one of your employees, because what's
the boss supposed to do with You can't fire someone
for that if they weren't probably can't if they if
(18:13):
they weren't asked to be involved in it. I'm gonna
go fire you because you're you're you're a piece of
garbage with go fund me funds.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
I can't fire you for that.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
But if it's a small company that's local in the community,
is engaged quite a bit with it, and it could
expect that, Yes.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Thank you for bringing this to our intention, we are
working on.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It, and you've got a file the Yeah, no, maybe
you start looking to get rid.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Of that person.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
If that person screws up in the least way the
or you could probably prove and say, look at all
the damage that's been done to our reputation.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But if they're a great employee, he's always relaxed, always
makes budget, sales are through the roof. As a matter
of fact, he's he's one of the reasons that we're afloat.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Yeah, a good point. Stuff does get over looked quite
a bit.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I can't fire you for that. I can't fire you
for that. I can't fire you for not leading with
the heart Oh, also, we didn't find out what is
the people's people say that the fees that GoFundMe charges
are way too unreasonable.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
But I don't know what the fee is.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
But that doesn't go to the donating person. It's the
person getting the funds. They take a cut of.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
They take a cut out of that, right, But is
it too high? I don't know because I don't know
what it is. I also don't like the tipping idea.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Hi, elliot in the morning.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Hi, this is Nicole.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's why I'm a huge fan of the meal train. Yes, Hi,
who is this? Yes? What can I do for you?
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Hi, good morning.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I started to go fund me page two weeks ago
for my dad. He is in Maine and U first
time in jail. Fun fact MANE did not have bail bondsmen,
and so I tried to start a gofund me and
I started off with fifty dollars. It charged me eight
(20:12):
seventy five and then I started hearing from all my
other friends how much they were being charged, so I
shut the go fund me down. They just couldn't see it.
They charged me. It's at the end, so I had
collected one seventy five. Every sixty dollars is eight seventy five.
(20:37):
I can't do the match right now because I'm driving.
Moral of the story is when I cash out to
go fund me to return the money to everybody, it
was like one hundred and thirty four dollars, so they
had charged on top of that. So they charged people
to funds and then charged me to get the money.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Why why were you why did you show it down
and start?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Oh, because people were having to pay exormin fees. Yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Almost ten dollars to donate fifty dollars And I'm trying
to get a criminal defense attorney for my dad to jail.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Can I ask why why is your old man in jail?
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Honestly, it's reckless, in danger, meant with a firearm.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And the the.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
The And I understand you're trying to get him an attorney,
and you know everybody, everybody's entitled to a to a
to a fair trial of their peers. Isn't that a
weird thing to ask? Like do you think he was
wrongly accused or something?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I actually don't know all of the details. I just
know that the state of Maine is one of three
in the United States that does not have bail bondsmen.
And when you start like getting more and more int
cases and stuff like that, you learn like how they
charge their bail with fifty thousand dollars cash, right.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
True, Yeah, no, I understand. I understand what you're saying
about there.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Not being bail bondsman. That is a but that like,
that's a weird one to ask. Maybe it's just me,
And listen, I'm not I'm not down on your dad.
I really don't know anything about him. The but that's
a weird GoFundMe.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Right, I was really hesitant to point it out.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
But I also was.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Trying to get money for the attorney as well. So
fifty thousand dollars in bail and then up to twenty
five thousand dollars for a criminal defense attorney because the
state itself doesn't have enough criminal defense attorneys.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Gotcha, gotcha, But you ended up having to shut it down.
And even if you shut it down, though, they keep
the money. Well, they're gonna say, we're still doing our work.
So is it essentially, thank you, ma'am, good luck? Is
it essentially twenty percent of the donation goes to fees?
Speaker 6 (23:02):
No, they say that's why I'm so surprised by those numbers,
don't they say it's like around three percent, that's automatic.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
If you were twenty percent, nobody would do that. That'd
be way too high.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
I don't know what's going on there, but you do
see people trying to raise funds for legal fees quite
a bit on Goo Fundming.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Legal fees is one thing getting out of jail. That's
the weird. You should have just said legal fees.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Oh so she like baby, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
No, no, you know what I mean. Like, if I'll
just use.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Dustin again, Right, Dustin's in jail for reckless endangerment with
a firearm and he needs he needs money. Yeah, if
he were saying I'm raising money for legal fees, listen,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I still don't think I'm donating.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
But it's different if I'm bailing him out versus bailing
him out and paying for his legal fees.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
And you threw in the wrench of the accusation maybe
having been wrongful. Yeah, sure, there's a lot that could
go into why you need money.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's just a that's a weird one like it. That's
just say a girlfriend of mine has cancer.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
They don't trust these.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, I don't know what to do. I don't know
what to do.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
I get nervous. You're here a lot. Now, forget We're
all familiar with scammers setting up sites when they see
stories in the news, things like that, of course, but
how about when they copy your campaign word for word, photos, updates.
Everything looks the same, So it becomes hard to figure
(24:42):
out is this the right one or is this the
right one?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Right? So is it for Elliott Siegel with two tea's
or one teh It's just a duplicate and it's gotten
people's scam.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
That's a horrible thing to do.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Well, it's just yeah, so is setting up one on
behalf of the family when the family has no idea
what's been set up.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Absolutely, that's bad to do. It's also bad to buy
the hot tub.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
That's when you hope that karma works well.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Mike Jones did chime in on that as a member
of the hot Tub Club, I cannot blame the guy
for what he did. You only live once.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Line six, Hi Elliott in the morning. Hello, Hi, who's
this Hi?
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Kristin?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yes, Kristin, what can I do for you?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So we had a gofund me set up.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
For my husband and I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And they take a percentage of transaction fees, which is
two point nine percent plus thirty cents per donation, and
they say it covers the cost of credit cards safely
delivering donations and to offer new ways to donate.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So wait, so it's it's it's a three percent of
what however much is raised plus thirty cents per transaction
per donation?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Oh, per donation per donation.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Yes, so that's their fees they take on top of
anything else.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
If you do the tipping, please tell me nobody that
donated to you is tipped.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I highly doubt they would knowing half the people.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But no, no, don't be upset with them for being cheap.
That's the time to be cheap. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Never tip when I send donations because it goes straight
to the platform and not to the people.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Have you seen that though, Like I don't recall seeing it.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
But is it, like is it a four screen that
pops up like after you hit submit on your donation?
Speaker 8 (26:37):
It is?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
And do most people just.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Think like, oh, here's like an additional I donated fifty,
but here's like an additional you know, three, four or
five dollars.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, and it goes straight to them to help them
keep their platform running.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Now, I will ask do most of the people, what
did you if you don't mind, what did you set
up your gofund for?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
My husband is a US marshall and he got injured
in the line of duty of Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
And the the the I feel like that's legit. I
feel like that's legit.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
The verification process was insane once it reached a certain
amount that.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I had to do fight through who go fund me.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
To ensure that it was like really our family and
going to us.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Well, I kind of like that, do what's the threshold
where you have to where you have to commit.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Like you have to?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I think we just had a lot coming in at
once that they were like, well, hold on, we need
to verify. And if they couldn't verify, they said they're refunded.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
Everybody, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Hope, I hope your husband's doing okay, Oh yeah he's
good now good good good?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And hey, can I ask you this? Do you do
you like or dislike the anonymous donation.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
So I can actually see who the people were.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Whoa, whoa, whoa?
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Wait, you know that.
Speaker 8 (28:01):
Whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Wait no, no, no, no, no, no, no anybody No,
this is by the way, this.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Is the biggest light bulb moment. Wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
You you're in anybody who says it's anonymous, you can
see who donated.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Ye, no, no, no, anonymous means you could.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Go lower anonymous.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
God damn it.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
So the receiver knows who. So if I said I'm
gonna keep my name anonymous, you see that it's from me.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, so you're just anonymous publicly on the website that
since I no, I can see.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
God, damn it. Oh that's the worst thing ever. Oh,
I don't like that. I know that changes things.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
And you attached yourself to a lot of anonymous donation
remember DC publics that math fun? Yeah, could they see
who actually gave that money?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yes, if it's true, Oh my god, that's what.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Well. Wow, No, Now I feel bad because there was
somebody where I was like, I feel like I should
donate more, but everybody else is donating that. I don't
want to be that guy. So I'll just do anonymous.
I'll do it, and now they know.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Damn it. Oh, I'm so glad you called. Thank you
thank you.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Now that's bad. No, you know why and I don't.
I'll tell you why I don't like that. I'll tell
you why I don't like that. Not cool, GoFundMe, totally
not cool.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
And do they like where's the FAQ that tells you that?
Which I've never read?
Speaker 6 (29:43):
But no, you know why I don't like that because
you scroll through all the amounts and hope someone's done
ninety nine dollars and people will assume that's Elliott with
his Gretzky donation.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
No, no, but you know what, you know what? Can
I tell you why I don't like that?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Because there are some time First of all, first of all,
I do encourage everybody if they if they learn of
a donation through us, to hashtag em right. But there
are sometimes where people people like to be generous and help,
but they don't want any recognition for it, right right.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I mean I may or.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
May not be one of those people, but that's irrelevant.
But let's say let's say like DC Public Schools.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
Was twenty million dollars anonymously.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Well, let's say let's say somebody is like, I really
want to make a donation, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I don't want any I don't.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
It's not that I don't want the family to know,
like they'll know I'm anonymous, but don't.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Know there are people like that.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Absolutely, Well this screws that, it really does.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
Ooh, that's bad because then somebody's gonna talk.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Because you're telling me it's anonymous.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
It's like the person who puts the rare coin in
the South Alban Army bottom. I don't understand why that's
an eye that was audible. In many of those cases,
it's it's done that way to be anonymous.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I know, I know, I know, I know, I.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
See that's Yeah, that's anod school way to do that.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yeah, I know, but nobody does.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
That's like when when the the Jerry telethon, they would
do that.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
I just I don't understand. So in that case, you
you just gave a passionate defense of staying anonymous, but
you think that those people shouldn't do.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
It that because you don't know where that coin ends up.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Oh, you don't trust it's going to be spent in
any way pocket.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Well also, you know, by the way, it's not worth
anything the rear coin as you hold it isn't worth
whatever I'm filling the Salivation Army thing for.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
It's not worth anything.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So they either got to go sell it or hawk
it or whatever they're doing.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
You actually created.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
Work for them.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
From this past December, Miss three donor drops gold coin
worth forty one hundred dollars in a Salvation Army donation bucket.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
All right, well you know what, let me let me
put that in my pocket and keep it safe for now.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
You risked too much.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
The staff did have to get in a praise.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
See, well they're lucky that the person turned it in.
It was a I would turn it in, but there
are people that would.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Go, I just found a gold coin.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
It was a tape shut dollar bill with the gold
coin hidden inside.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
That's cool. But it was done anonymously.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yes, m.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Wow, that is the biggest eye opener. I hate that you're.
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Gonna be bothered by that all day.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, because I'm thinking of one person right now, and
what if that person is like.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah, I kind of thought Elliot would give a little more.
But are we? And I was like, well, they won't
know I'm anonymous.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
Oh they know, they know?
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Are we just sounding dumb? Does everyone know that? No?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Because and nobody would. Nobody would donate anonymously. Did you
know that? No?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
And that's why when you see somebody balling, you're like, oh,
look at that kiss ass.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Oh you mean when it's an amount and their name
is a test? Yeah, I thought you've been balling, like crying.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
What do you what are you writing down?
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Remember we mocked him, but it.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Was for a different reason.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yes, but still you're like, oh, okay, we'll show off.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, you know what the whole family knows. May as
well let everybody know. No more anonymous donations.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Wow, is that eye opening? That's really eye opening. That
bothers me, who.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Noe to self. That's why I don't trust gofund me anymore.
All my donations that I did just to be, just
to be what is that?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
What is that called benevolent and philanthropic?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Silently? Nope, not so silent.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
I'm sticking to give butter dot com.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
That's one.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
When you see that name, you're like, how is that
even a real website?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
But give it to me. I'll take butter. I'll take
my house burned. I need new butter. He's at his gold,
He's at his gold. That's the other one. Move it up,
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