June 26, 2026 • 20 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Diane, I can't ask you this question because you don't
have a dog, and I don't know. One of the
things I wondered is is it true also for cats?
But I don't know because it only addresses dogs. Okay,
and you don't have dogs. Christian with Over, Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Be nice. It's his birthday?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
No, I know the how just like Dustin earlier this
week and new it was Josh's dog's birthday from Instagram. Diane,
how do you know it's Kristen's dog's big day?
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Because when we were in the studio earlier before the
show started, I was like, today's the twenty sixth, right,
and she said, yes.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's Over's birthday.
Speaker 6 (00:36):
Oh and she's wearing an Over T shirt.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I gave her that.
Speaker 6 (00:40):
Oh whoops.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Anyway, Christian with Over do you ever and let me
finish my sentence.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Do you hug Over every day? You put your arms
around him and give him a great big hug. So
you hug Over? Okay? Tyler with Meadow? Yeah, do you
hug Meadow more than hug?
Speaker 7 (01:06):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
The yeah, So you wrap your arms around and give Meadow.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
A hug like roll around on the ground. She's a
lot tinier than over right, but still a pitbull. I
don't care how much hair she gets all over me. Right,
it's a mess, but it's a it's a cuddly, lovable mess.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
With my two dogs, vez Vezzie Vezna. I'll definitely hug Clancy. No, okay,
you know what, Like, Clancy is a very snugly dog,
but I won't. I won't hug Clancy. I don't know
if it's because she's small, but I won't. I won't
hug her like Vezzie's part.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
Great day the.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
How much does Clancy way?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Clancy probably weighs thirty pounds twenty five thirty.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Pounds, but Venzie's like seventy five.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
Metaways twenty pounds.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Whops, so yesterday, experts, I don't even know how or
why I ended up here. Expert explains, hugging your dog
is doing more harm than good to you or to
the dog, to you, not no, not me, to the dog,
(02:20):
to the dog. Okay, Kristen has already dismissed the experts.
They say, you're actually doing more harm than good.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
To the dog.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, why because you're making them soft?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
No, no, you're not making your dog a pussy because
you're I mean.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
But you've seen dogs who aren't aggressive, and you see
other ones who who aren't.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I wonder if that plays into it.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
It does not, it does not. So hugging we wet humans.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
We look at hugging as a as a as a
love or affectionate.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Right, but not I don't want I don't. I don't mean.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Loving an affectionate like like like sex. I just mean
like if you if you have a boyfriend or a
girlfriend or whatever, if you hug them, it's a sign
of affection or comfort or it's there's something pleasurable.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
It comes from a good place. Right.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
It can be also be compassionate.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Compassionate, I'll take that. That's another good word.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And so when a when a human does that to
a human, the receiving human understands where it comes from.
Right Like yesterday, yesterday when we were leaving Omega Studio,
I'm a hugger.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
We were leaving Omega Studios. I hug Kathy.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
I hugged Jim.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
But Kathy knew as I went in for the hug
that I.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Wasn't trying to hit on her or her husband was there.
And it wasn't, it wasn't. It was just very like,
I'm a hugger, so I gave her a hug. But
it comes from and but somebody on receiving end. And
even if Kathy was like, god, I wish you wouldn't
touch me, she knew.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
What it was. Dogs don't know that.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Dogs don't know that it's compassionate, affectionate, like they.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Don't they don't know what those words mean. Right now.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
They know when you pat them or like when you're
when you're doing stuff that you're you're happy with them. Yeah,
and they want to be there for you. But dogs
don't like to be constricted. Dogs like to be free mm.
So what you're really doing is you're putting them in
a position where now they may freeze and just kind
(04:40):
of let you do it and like the where and
it's like and they know you and they trust you,
but it was like, okay, just let o on me, please,
let owe me, please, and then once you let go,
then they're back to being themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well what do they do? They give you the gentle
nudge like okay.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Oh, well they may do several things, Kristen.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
The answer is yes, oph has never once come to
you and said, hug me. Now I know you hug
him close, and if over could talk, he would say, uh,
let go, let go.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh, here she comes.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
They said, like, so if you pay attention to your
dog while you're hugging your dog, you may notice their eyes.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Get a little bit big, like they're fearful.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Right, you ever get that, Christian, where the eyes get
a little bit big and in your mind you're like, oh,
they're like perked up. No, that's the dog's sign of distress.
Does Opher when you hug him, do his ears kind
of go back a little bit? Right?
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Yeah? How about Meadows? Do her ears go back a
little bit?
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I unlike Kristen, who is upset by this study, this
is no surprise to me. I know there are times
when it's not consensual between the two of us.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Right, But like, but Christian just said Opher's ears go back? Yes,
you know what, that's a sign of distress.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
List all of these signs. I have seen them all.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
The one that I haven't seen, They said, Like a
lot of times a dog that is being hugged will
start to lick its lips.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Oh, but I get there first. I lick her nose
all the time. That's not an exaggeration. It's like we're
playing tongue to I always.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Win, but the but I don't think that I've never
paid attention to. Or they'll like raise a paw to
kind of push you a little bit. Yep, yeah, oh
does Opher do that? You know what that is, Kristen,
sign a distress.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Even if you miss all the signs, the second you
let go and they run away, you know that they
probably didn't want to be there, That is true, But.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
I wanted to be there, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
The and the one thing that I read yesterday that
actually made me happy.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
And like I said, I don't know why. I don't
know why I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Hug Clancy, but listen, Clancy will and don't confuse this
with they say, don't confuse this if you're sitting on it,
if you're sitting on the sofa, the bed, like wherever
your dog's place is, your dog may come up and
snuggle right up next to you and curl up and
lean on you. And the whole thing. Pardon me, the
wow McDonald's went through me quick. Next one is gonna
(07:25):
be solid. The but the dog may the dog.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
May curl up next to you.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
No, it ain't.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
But the dog may curl up next to you. Yeah,
but that's the dog choosing to do it. Oh, but
that's what I was gonna say. Clancy will come snuggle
up next to me, but I don't hug Clancy.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
And I was actually glad.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Rescue dogs or dogs with limited early socialization may be
more sensitive to close contact handling because they've not learned
that it's safe and predictable. So they do say, you
gotta be careful with rescue dogs. Now, both my dogs
are rescue dogs. But the but I wasn't doing it
(08:06):
for that reason. But I would have never thought of that.
But that does make sense. That does make sense.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Us.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
I love when Meadow jumps up on the couch and
then wants to go under the blanket next to me.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
But it's not enough gonna cost you a couple of
hogs and a kiss.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
It's a transactional relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
The but all the things that everybody's doing. And by
the way, now everybody is on hold, and here it comes,
mad hey man, my dog loves it. No, And all
of these experts said, your dog tolerates it. If your dog,
(08:48):
if your dog doesn't push you away, your dog tolerates it.
Doesn't like it, and you know what they equate it to.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
They're putting up for fas no.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
No, no, back up for a step.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Dogs don't like when they're on a leash and they're
pulling and you're pulling because they feel restricted. You don't
want that. You don't want that pull on the leash
because the dog is like, let me go. Same thing
when Kristen wraps her arms around over let me go,
(09:21):
but tolerates it because she's not gonna let go.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
How about that again, it's not a surprise. I recognize
the signs and I and I see it every single day.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And also if your dog, when you hug him becomes
very still, like okay, like almost like he's letting you
do it.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
No, you know what, that's a sign of distress.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
See, I have jokes. I've joked with Meadow mannequin challenge
because she does. She just turns stiff.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah, doesn't like it, doesn't like like it. Where am
I going? Kristen? Line two? Hi, Elliot in the.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Morning, what's ups?
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Hey? What's going on? Dude?
Speaker 8 (10:08):
I gotta combat this whole thing. I got a Kanye
Corso and she hugged me. She start she jumps up
puts her balls on my shoulder and you know, like
leaves in.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Like a on That is them coming to you.
Speaker 8 (10:22):
Yeah, but not. But even when I she gets all
excited and you know, once more and all that stuff.
But now I'm like Tyler. I rolled around with her.
I kiss her every day on the kissing spot and
hugger and everything. She's not everything that they're saying.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
She does the total opposite.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
By the way, give him a kiss on the kissing spot.
Totally fine. But the second you wrap your arms around
that dog, that Kanye Corso is number one in distress
and number two just tolerating you.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
Yeah, I said, Diane Pitchers of it. Probably uh sometime
last year when I first got her, and now she's shoots.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Beautiful dogs, by the way, beautiful dogs.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
Very good, Thank you.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
You got a brother moved into the Kathy folder.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Tom was concerned that no one woul dogs would still
be listening because of the last segment.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Oh now they didn't, Diane, they didn't say anything about cats.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
No, I don't know what. I don't know what the
feeling is there with cats.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
I don't think I've ever seen anyone hug a cat
every day as aggressive as we're describing with our dogs.
I mean, are you rolling around on the ground with
your cats?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Oh, no, Juny. I will pick up and like hug
like a baby. Lucy doesn't tolerate it.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Can I ask a Juny question? Real quick? This story
goes back about two weeks.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Did anybody see the story of the Amazon delivery driver
who stole a cat off somebody's front porch?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And wasn't the cat named Juni? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And then when they called the cops, they were like, oh,
I thought it was my cat that got loose and
was on the thing.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Yeah, the cat's name was Juny. Made me laugh, made
me laugh. I'm sorry? Where am I going? Kristen Line four?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Bobby is more aggressive than with me than I am
with him.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
So Bobby throws you on the ground, now ugs you?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
No, he and I look distressed. No, he's the one
who's always up on me, like he won't leave me alone.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
There's Diane licking her lips again. Hi Elliott the morning,
Hi Elliott. Hi, Yes, who's this.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
My name's Andrea.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
I actually talked to you last week. I'm the nerd
with the Harry Potter pop socket.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Oh yeah, what's up? Nerd?
Speaker 8 (12:35):
I have to argue.
Speaker 9 (12:37):
My dog loves being hugged.
Speaker 10 (12:40):
My husband will hold and hug her and she falls asleep.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Can I speak on behalf of your dog?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
She's playing dead.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
I'm tolerating it. I'm tolerating it. You feed me.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I'm talking, yes, yes, I yes, way, I'm tolerating it.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
I'm in dis d.
Speaker 9 (13:02):
Is.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
She's asleep, in stress.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
She's just playing still so that you will leave her alone. Listen.
Speaker 9 (13:11):
I don't listen.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I love dogs more than anybody, but you have to
listen to thank you.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
You have to listen to the dogs.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Kristen.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Are you upset with me that I didn't see your
seventeen photo Instagram post of what over for the birthday?
And she did it three hours ago, so it was
up before we start talking dogs?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Is it all pictures of her hugging over and over
in distress?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
The blurry ones. I don't know what's going on there,
not that it's censored. Wait, oh, trying to like lick you?
Speaker 7 (13:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Or it was his rocket out Elliott? What? No, I
don't know. I mean Molton's rocket used to be out
all the time.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
God, over is so bit? How much is overweight?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Ninety five damn Hi, elliot in the morning.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Is this me?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Hi?
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Who's this?
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Hey? This is Chris.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Hey.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Where are you calling me from?
Speaker 8 (14:06):
I'm calling you from Ashburn?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Oh? Very good?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (14:08):
What can I do for you? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (14:10):
My dog hugs me. You know I would. All I
gotta do is go up to her.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
And just pat on my chest and she puts her
paws up and she hugs me.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yes, yeah, you know what that's called training. You've trained
your dog. You've trained your dog to hop up on you. Listen,
when I get home, I can do the same thing.
I stand there, Clancy comes up to me, and I
go like this, and Clancy hops right up.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I've trained her, and as you have done.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
With your dog, your dog's not like, oh, Daddy's home.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
And goes running up to hug you. You've trained her.
Speaker 10 (14:48):
Well, yeah, I guess I've trained her to do what
I want her to do.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Exactly, exactly. And here's what I can tell you, based
on all the experts. When you hug your dog, your
dog does not lie. It's distressing your dog. Well it
comforts me, no, and that's fine, And give you give
that dog a big kiss on the kissing spot, right, absolutely, absolutely,
(15:16):
all right, very good, Thank you sir.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, I mean it is man's best friend, but relationships
can be complicated.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Line five, Hi Ellie in the morning.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
Hey it's the same, Yeah, Hi.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Who's this Hi?
Speaker 11 (15:36):
This is Kelly, Yes, Kelly.
Speaker 9 (15:38):
So I have ten townships.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
Who who is really just toddally in terms of what
she feels like to me? And so a couple times
a day we go through what I call the struggle
snuggle because she absolutely hates it. But I will just
grab her and maul her a day and hugger. Okay,
but you with her, and she defends up, and she
(16:02):
turns her face away from me. And if I try
to kiss her, she acts like I'm trying to set
her on top.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
By the way, if I did that to you, you
would be like, get off of me.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
If you did that to me, I would call the police.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah no, but I'm saying I would be putting you
in distress.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
This is why we can't give our dogs a pet phone.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
No, no, but you're putting the dog in distress. What
just pet the dog, Let it curl up next to you.
But you're rolling all around with the thing.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
It's for me, not for her.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
And that's I tell her, I mean, yeah, and you
know the way, you're no different than Christy.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You know what you buy the food exactly exactly.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Also, I'm the one that called about I was going
to do the animal Communicator with the cat and the dog.
That's the other what and I got it.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Whatever happened to her? I had been emailing her. What
was her name?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Was it?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Carla?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Yes, chef?
Speaker 9 (16:58):
No, that was the one they did the article about
in the post.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Yeah, no, but I had the other one. I think
it's Carla Hall it is. Why is that name? No,
Carla Hall's from.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
The chew The definitely was the peck Communication.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
No, but I even sent her pictures of Vessie and
Clancy and we were gonna set.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Up a time. I've never heard from her.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Oh she's the one that called in your Yeah, yeah,
it was going to take an hour.
Speaker 9 (17:24):
I'm still with the cat and the dog. Right two
dollars later.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
The but isn't the but isn't the but like with
the little ten pounder, like that dog doesn't have a
kissing spot.
Speaker 9 (17:37):
Where is the kissing spot by.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
The way, right here, right here?
Speaker 9 (17:41):
Oh okay, yeah, that's where it is.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But yeah, below the tail that that.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Yeah, a little ten pounder doesn't have a kissing spot.
It does, but it's like that. It's like this big.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I kiss all over Meadow's body.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
I do. I kiss everywhere pause below the tail.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
I mean not within reasons only.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
If we're trying to express her anal glass. I have
my limits, but I do. I guess, and I get
so much hair in my mouth, but I don't care.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Line three, I gotta go quick. Hi Elliot in the morning, Me, Yeah, Hi,
who's this?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
It's Steve. I grew up out of my ass is
listening to you. But now I'm down in Stotsylvania.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Oh the radio still works there.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Oh it does every morning. I listened to you around
for work. Very good.
Speaker 11 (18:36):
I appreciate it worked as a Yeah, I worked as
a dog trainer since my early twenties. About the hugging thing.
You are spot on everyone I run into that comes
in for training. They're always up on their dogs, and
those dogs look like they're about to freak out. They
can't see the face from they're hugging on them.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
They have no idea. I can see the face.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The eyes get wide, the ears go back, they get
that stare to them.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Yeah, they're in distress.
Speaker 11 (19:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and they tense up. You can
see him tense up immediately.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Now a lot of people are saying they're just bracing
themselves for my embrace.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
For real.
Speaker 11 (19:21):
I've had one exception to that rule, and I fully
believe it was learned behavior. But it was a Golden
Retriever that would run.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Up to my ex girlfriend.
Speaker 11 (19:30):
And would actually hug on her and put his head
over his shoulder and wanted that embrace. Yeah, but it's
it's gotta be like I mean, but that's learned behavior.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
So that means how much stress did he go through
to learn this is? Okay?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Right, No, that's what they say. Dogs will tolerate it.
They'll tolerate it, but they don't love it. All right, dude,
I appreciate it, thank you. Yes, it's like walks for
the humans. I don't want to go out that tolerated exactly.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I'll tolerated
Diane, I can't ask you this question because you don't
have a dog, and I don't know. One of the
things I wondered is is it true also for cats?
But I don't know because it only addresses dogs. Okay,
and you don't have dogs. Christian with Over, Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Be nice. It's his birthday?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
No, I know the how just like Dustin earlier this
week and new it was Josh's dog's birthday from Instagram. Diane,
how do you know it's Kristen's dog's big day?
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Because when we were in the studio earlier before the
show started, I was like, today's the twenty sixth, right,
and she said, yes.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's Over's birthday.
Speaker 6 (00:36):
Oh and she's wearing an Over T shirt.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I gave her that.
Speaker 6 (00:40):
Oh whoops.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Anyway, Christian with Over do you ever and let me
finish my sentence.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Do you hug Over every day? You put your arms
around him and give him a great big hug. So
you hug Over? Okay? Tyler with Meadow? Yeah, do you
hug Meadow more than hug?
Speaker 7 (01:06):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
The yeah, So you wrap your arms around and give Meadow.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
A hug like roll around on the ground. She's a
lot tinier than over right, but still a pitbull. I
don't care how much hair she gets all over me. Right,
it's a mess, but it's a it's a cuddly, lovable mess.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
With my two dogs, vez Vezzie Vezna. I'll definitely hug Clancy. No, okay,
you know what, Like, Clancy is a very snugly dog,
but I won't. I won't hug Clancy. I don't know
if it's because she's small, but I won't. I won't
hug her like Vezzie's part.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
Great day the.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
How much does Clancy way?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Clancy probably weighs thirty pounds twenty five thirty.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
Pounds, but Venzie's like seventy five.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
Metaways twenty pounds.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Whops, so yesterday, experts, I don't even know how or
why I ended up here. Expert explains, hugging your dog
is doing more harm than good to you or to
the dog, to you, not no, not me, to the dog,
(02:20):
to the dog. Okay, Kristen has already dismissed the experts.
They say, you're actually doing more harm than good.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
To the dog.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, why because you're making them soft?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
No, no, you're not making your dog a pussy because
you're I mean.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
But you've seen dogs who aren't aggressive, and you see
other ones who who aren't.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I wonder if that plays into it.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
It does not, it does not. So hugging we wet humans.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
We look at hugging as a as a as a
love or affectionate.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Right, but not I don't want I don't. I don't mean.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Loving an affectionate like like like sex. I just mean
like if you if you have a boyfriend or a
girlfriend or whatever, if you hug them, it's a sign
of affection or comfort or it's there's something pleasurable.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
It comes from a good place. Right.
Speaker 7 (03:18):
It can be also be compassionate.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
Compassionate, I'll take that. That's another good word.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And so when a when a human does that to
a human, the receiving human understands where it comes from.
Right Like yesterday, yesterday when we were leaving Omega Studio,
I'm a hugger.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
We were leaving Omega Studios. I hug Kathy.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
I hugged Jim.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
But Kathy knew as I went in for the hug
that I.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Wasn't trying to hit on her or her husband was there.
And it wasn't, it wasn't. It was just very like,
I'm a hugger, so I gave her a hug. But
it comes from and but somebody on receiving end. And
even if Kathy was like, god, I wish you wouldn't
touch me, she knew.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
What it was. Dogs don't know that.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Dogs don't know that it's compassionate, affectionate, like they.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Don't they don't know what those words mean. Right now.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
They know when you pat them or like when you're
when you're doing stuff that you're you're happy with them. Yeah,
and they want to be there for you. But dogs
don't like to be constricted. Dogs like to be free mm.
So what you're really doing is you're putting them in
a position where now they may freeze and just kind
(04:40):
of let you do it and like the where and
it's like and they know you and they trust you,
but it was like, okay, just let o on me, please,
let owe me, please, and then once you let go,
then they're back to being themselves.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well what do they do? They give you the gentle
nudge like okay.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Oh, well they may do several things, Kristen.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
The answer is yes, oph has never once come to
you and said, hug me. Now I know you hug
him close, and if over could talk, he would say, uh,
let go, let go.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Oh, here she comes.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
They said, like, so if you pay attention to your
dog while you're hugging your dog, you may notice their eyes.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Get a little bit big, like they're fearful.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Right, you ever get that, Christian, where the eyes get
a little bit big and in your mind you're like, oh,
they're like perked up. No, that's the dog's sign of distress.
Does Opher when you hug him, do his ears kind
of go back a little bit? Right?
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Yeah? How about Meadows? Do her ears go back a
little bit?
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Listen?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I unlike Kristen, who is upset by this study, this
is no surprise to me. I know there are times
when it's not consensual between the two of us.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Right, But like, but Christian just said Opher's ears go back? Yes,
you know what, that's a sign of distress.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
List all of these signs. I have seen them all.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
The one that I haven't seen, They said, Like a
lot of times a dog that is being hugged will
start to lick its lips.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Oh, but I get there first. I lick her nose
all the time. That's not an exaggeration. It's like we're
playing tongue to I always.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Win, but the but I don't think that I've never
paid attention to. Or they'll like raise a paw to
kind of push you a little bit. Yep, yeah, oh
does Opher do that? You know what that is, Kristen,
sign a distress.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Even if you miss all the signs, the second you
let go and they run away, you know that they
probably didn't want to be there, That is true, But.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
I wanted to be there, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
The and the one thing that I read yesterday that
actually made me happy.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
And like I said, I don't know why. I don't
know why I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Hug Clancy, but listen, Clancy will and don't confuse this
with they say, don't confuse this if you're sitting on it,
if you're sitting on the sofa, the bed, like wherever
your dog's place is, your dog may come up and
snuggle right up next to you and curl up and
lean on you. And the whole thing. Pardon me, the
wow McDonald's went through me quick. Next one is gonna
(07:25):
be solid. The but the dog may the dog.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
May curl up next to you.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
No, it ain't.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
But the dog may curl up next to you. Yeah,
but that's the dog choosing to do it. Oh, but
that's what I was gonna say. Clancy will come snuggle
up next to me, but I don't hug Clancy.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
And I was actually glad.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Rescue dogs or dogs with limited early socialization may be
more sensitive to close contact handling because they've not learned
that it's safe and predictable. So they do say, you
gotta be careful with rescue dogs. Now, both my dogs
are rescue dogs. But the but I wasn't doing it
(08:06):
for that reason. But I would have never thought of that.
But that does make sense. That does make sense.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Us.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
I love when Meadow jumps up on the couch and
then wants to go under the blanket next to me.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
But it's not enough gonna cost you a couple of
hogs and a kiss.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
It's a transactional relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
The but all the things that everybody's doing. And by
the way, now everybody is on hold, and here it comes,
mad hey man, my dog loves it. No, And all
of these experts said, your dog tolerates it. If your dog,
(08:48):
if your dog doesn't push you away, your dog tolerates it.
Doesn't like it, and you know what they equate it to.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
They're putting up for fas no.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
No, no, back up for a step.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Dogs don't like when they're on a leash and they're
pulling and you're pulling because they feel restricted. You don't
want that. You don't want that pull on the leash
because the dog is like, let me go. Same thing
when Kristen wraps her arms around over let me go,
(09:21):
but tolerates it because she's not gonna let go.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
How about that again, it's not a surprise. I recognize
the signs and I and I see it every single day.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And also if your dog, when you hug him becomes
very still, like okay, like almost like he's letting you
do it.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
No, you know what, that's a sign of distress.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
See, I have jokes. I've joked with Meadow mannequin challenge
because she does. She just turns stiff.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah, doesn't like it, doesn't like like it. Where am
I going? Kristen? Line two? Hi, Elliot in the.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Morning, what's ups?
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Hey? What's going on? Dude?
Speaker 8 (10:08):
I gotta combat this whole thing. I got a Kanye
Corso and she hugged me. She start she jumps up
puts her balls on my shoulder and you know, like
leaves in.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
Like a on That is them coming to you.
Speaker 8 (10:22):
Yeah, but not. But even when I she gets all
excited and you know, once more and all that stuff.
But now I'm like Tyler. I rolled around with her.
I kiss her every day on the kissing spot and
hugger and everything. She's not everything that they're saying.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
She does the total opposite.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
By the way, give him a kiss on the kissing spot.
Totally fine. But the second you wrap your arms around
that dog, that Kanye Corso is number one in distress
and number two just tolerating you.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
Yeah, I said, Diane Pitchers of it. Probably uh sometime
last year when I first got her, and now she's shoots.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Beautiful dogs, by the way, beautiful dogs.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
Very good, Thank you.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
You got a brother moved into the Kathy folder.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Tom was concerned that no one woul dogs would still
be listening because of the last segment.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Oh now they didn't, Diane, they didn't say anything about cats.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
No, I don't know what. I don't know what the
feeling is there with cats.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
I don't think I've ever seen anyone hug a cat
every day as aggressive as we're describing with our dogs.
I mean, are you rolling around on the ground with
your cats?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Oh, no, Juny. I will pick up and like hug
like a baby. Lucy doesn't tolerate it.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Can I ask a Juny question? Real quick? This story
goes back about two weeks.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Did anybody see the story of the Amazon delivery driver
who stole a cat off somebody's front porch?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And wasn't the cat named Juni? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And then when they called the cops, they were like, oh,
I thought it was my cat that got loose and
was on the thing.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Yeah, the cat's name was Juny. Made me laugh, made
me laugh. I'm sorry? Where am I going? Kristen Line four?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Bobby is more aggressive than with me than I am
with him.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
So Bobby throws you on the ground, now ugs you?
Speaker 5 (12:11):
No, he and I look distressed. No, he's the one
who's always up on me, like he won't leave me alone.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
There's Diane licking her lips again. Hi Elliott the morning,
Hi Elliott. Hi, Yes, who's this.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
My name's Andrea.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
I actually talked to you last week. I'm the nerd
with the Harry Potter pop socket.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Oh yeah, what's up? Nerd?
Speaker 8 (12:35):
I have to argue.
Speaker 9 (12:37):
My dog loves being hugged.
Speaker 10 (12:40):
My husband will hold and hug her and she falls asleep.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
Can I speak on behalf of your dog?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
She's playing dead.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
I'm tolerating it. I'm tolerating it. You feed me.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I'm talking, yes, yes, I yes, way, I'm tolerating it.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
I'm in dis d.
Speaker 9 (13:02):
Is.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
She's asleep, in stress.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
She's just playing still so that you will leave her alone. Listen.
Speaker 9 (13:11):
I don't listen.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I love dogs more than anybody, but you have to
listen to thank you.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
You have to listen to the dogs.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Kristen.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Are you upset with me that I didn't see your
seventeen photo Instagram post of what over for the birthday?
And she did it three hours ago, so it was
up before we start talking dogs?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Is it all pictures of her hugging over and over
in distress?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
The blurry ones. I don't know what's going on there,
not that it's censored. Wait, oh, trying to like lick you?
Speaker 7 (13:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Or it was his rocket out Elliott? What? No, I
don't know. I mean Molton's rocket used to be out
all the time.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
God, over is so bit? How much is overweight?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Ninety five damn Hi, elliot in the morning.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Is this me?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Hi?
Speaker 6 (14:01):
Who's this?
Speaker 8 (14:02):
Hey? This is Chris.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Hey.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Where are you calling me from?
Speaker 8 (14:06):
I'm calling you from Ashburn?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Oh? Very good?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (14:08):
What can I do for you? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (14:10):
My dog hugs me. You know I would. All I
gotta do is go up to her.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
And just pat on my chest and she puts her
paws up and she hugs me.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yes, yeah, you know what that's called training. You've trained
your dog. You've trained your dog to hop up on you. Listen,
when I get home, I can do the same thing.
I stand there, Clancy comes up to me, and I
go like this, and Clancy hops right up.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I've trained her, and as you have done.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
With your dog, your dog's not like, oh, Daddy's home.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
And goes running up to hug you. You've trained her.
Speaker 10 (14:48):
Well, yeah, I guess I've trained her to do what
I want her to do.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Exactly, exactly. And here's what I can tell you, based
on all the experts. When you hug your dog, your
dog does not lie. It's distressing your dog. Well it
comforts me, no, and that's fine, And give you give
that dog a big kiss on the kissing spot, right, absolutely, absolutely,
(15:16):
all right, very good, Thank you sir.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, I mean it is man's best friend, but relationships
can be complicated.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Line five, Hi Ellie in the morning.
Speaker 9 (15:33):
Hey it's the same, Yeah, Hi.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Who's this Hi?
Speaker 11 (15:36):
This is Kelly, Yes, Kelly.
Speaker 9 (15:38):
So I have ten townships.
Speaker 10 (15:40):
Who who is really just toddally in terms of what
she feels like to me? And so a couple times
a day we go through what I call the struggle
snuggle because she absolutely hates it. But I will just
grab her and maul her a day and hugger. Okay,
but you with her, and she defends up, and she
(16:02):
turns her face away from me. And if I try
to kiss her, she acts like I'm trying to set
her on top.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
By the way, if I did that to you, you
would be like, get off of me.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
If you did that to me, I would call the police.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah no, but I'm saying I would be putting you
in distress.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
This is why we can't give our dogs a pet phone.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
No, no, but you're putting the dog in distress. What
just pet the dog, Let it curl up next to you.
But you're rolling all around with the thing.
Speaker 9 (16:30):
It's for me, not for her.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
And that's I tell her, I mean, yeah, and you
know the way, you're no different than Christy.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You know what you buy the food exactly exactly.
Speaker 9 (16:41):
Also, I'm the one that called about I was going
to do the animal Communicator with the cat and the dog.
That's the other what and I got it.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Whatever happened to her? I had been emailing her. What
was her name?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Was it?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Carla?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Yes, chef?
Speaker 9 (16:58):
No, that was the one they did the article about
in the post.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Yeah, no, but I had the other one. I think
it's Carla Hall it is. Why is that name? No,
Carla Hall's from.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
The chew The definitely was the peck Communication.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
No, but I even sent her pictures of Vessie and
Clancy and we were gonna set.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Up a time. I've never heard from her.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Oh she's the one that called in your Yeah, yeah,
it was going to take an hour.
Speaker 9 (17:24):
I'm still with the cat and the dog. Right two
dollars later.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
The but isn't the but isn't the but like with
the little ten pounder, like that dog doesn't have a
kissing spot.
Speaker 9 (17:37):
Where is the kissing spot by.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
The way, right here, right here?
Speaker 9 (17:41):
Oh okay, yeah, that's where it is.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But yeah, below the tail that that.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Yeah, a little ten pounder doesn't have a kissing spot.
It does, but it's like that. It's like this big.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I kiss all over Meadow's body.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
I do. I kiss everywhere pause below the tail.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
I mean not within reasons only.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
If we're trying to express her anal glass. I have
my limits, but I do. I guess, and I get
so much hair in my mouth, but I don't care.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Line three, I gotta go quick. Hi Elliot in the morning, Me, Yeah, Hi,
who's this?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
It's Steve. I grew up out of my ass is
listening to you. But now I'm down in Stotsylvania.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Oh the radio still works there.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Oh it does every morning. I listened to you around
for work. Very good.
Speaker 11 (18:36):
I appreciate it worked as a Yeah, I worked as
a dog trainer since my early twenties. About the hugging thing.
You are spot on everyone I run into that comes
in for training. They're always up on their dogs, and
those dogs look like they're about to freak out. They
can't see the face from they're hugging on them.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
They have no idea. I can see the face.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The eyes get wide, the ears go back, they get
that stare to them.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Yeah, they're in distress.
Speaker 11 (19:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and they tense up. You can
see him tense up immediately.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Now a lot of people are saying they're just bracing
themselves for my embrace.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
For real.
Speaker 11 (19:21):
I've had one exception to that rule, and I fully
believe it was learned behavior. But it was a Golden
Retriever that would run.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Up to my ex girlfriend.
Speaker 11 (19:30):
And would actually hug on her and put his head
over his shoulder and wanted that embrace. Yeah, but it's
it's gotta be like I mean, but that's learned behavior.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
So that means how much stress did he go through
to learn this is? Okay?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Right, No, that's what they say. Dogs will tolerate it.
They'll tolerate it, but they don't love it. All right, dude,
I appreciate it, thank you. Yes, it's like walks for
the humans. I don't want to go out that tolerated exactly.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I'll tolerated
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