June 10, 2026 ⢠14 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Have a little treat for everybody. He lost you, doctor.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Cow how E in the morning.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi, yes, Hi, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm doing well? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I am great? Thank you. I'm sorry about the voicemail
I left for you yesterday. No problem when you got
the voicemail. To be honest, did you have any idea
who who we were?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I actually got a voice message in my email. Oh
then I know, so yeah, you know the modern technology.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yes, of course, of course, anyway we were. We were
talking about you yesterday. So we've we've had some very
very what's the word I'm looking for. You're a doctor
the like like we worked with doctor Brantley Hall at
the University of Maryland. I don't know if you know him,
but like he did that whole He.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Is upstairs too. Yeah, his celebrity is upstairs to mine.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
He must be a celebrity. The Hey, can I ask
you this? Did you do his study?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Oh? No, but you know I am aware of some
of the students.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, well you're talking to one we we farted
for science.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well you know friendly, Yeah, we've been qualege. He and
I are in the same department as.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well right now, But you're trying to he's just trying
to like get people to fart. We were. I was
talking about you yesterday, you were trying to like I mean,
it was pretty interesting you created like a whole anti
aging skin line or skincare line. But wasn't it born
out of trying to find like a cure treatment for progeria.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Correct. I was just focusing on studying progeria, which is
an accelerated human agent disease, right as a professor and
our research. So then I stepped upon an interesting mitochondria booster.
Because the mitochondria in progeria patients skin cells are broken,
(02:12):
they're swollen, they are not making enough for energy. So
I was thinking of if I can find a booster
for their metochondria, I may be able to help to alleviate,
maybe not to cure the disease, but help the children
feel better with progeria. Right. So then I did the
experiment by having a group of we call control cell lines.
(02:35):
Those are from healthy individuals in order to match progeria
A pen cell lines from normal donors, a healthy donors
from the age of twenty all the way to age
eighty plus. And then I have a couple of precious
skin cell lines from progeria patients. They are very rare.
We will have about two hundred patients worldwide. Then I
(02:59):
added that magic molecule. What my student actually was an undergraduate.
He came to my office the other day after like
a couple of days after the treatment. He said, Doctor Tall,
I have to tell you something. I think I might
have mixed up the cells. All the cells look fabulous.
(03:19):
I don't know what happened, including progeria and also including
all my control sale lines. Right then, I thought that
he must have done something like he just we call
cross contamination is just because everything is so small, you
sometimes you make a mistake, just mix up the healthy
ones and spilled over to the disease ones and eventually
(03:40):
they take over. So I asked him to do it again. Well,
we see the same thing. And then I asked my
senior most senior scientists in the lab, and she did it.
She was like, yes, I think the magic molecule mattine
brew helped all the cell lines and fortunately they are
(04:01):
all from human skin. That's the idea I initially it
can maybe I can create a skin uh abbreviation molecule
that can help everybody to like not only the two
hundred kids in the world, but everybody help for their
(04:21):
skin to glow, to be healthier.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, so for for exact Hey, so the the the
Well we'll get to that. They said, Well, two questions.
Two questions like how crazy is it that some undergrad
Not not that an undergrad kid isn't capable of doing that,
but that your first reaction, which I think would be right,
is Okay, what'd you mess up? Do it again? Yeah? Like,
(04:44):
obviously you mess something up, you got to do it again. Like,
how crazy is that? Like that that seems very I mean,
it just seems like a nuts story to me.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It's like penicillin.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You know, as a scientist, and especially as a CI
of a lab, we have A'm a graduated graduator, you know, scientist,
I want to be cautious, right, especially the first time
when we see something, we always think what did we
do wrong? Can we reproduce it again and again? Before
we see fact independently three times I start to believe it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's great. So what is your what is your Like?
I know that you said that that when you went
into this and still are trying to find a treatment
for progeria. Do you do you have a tie to
progeria or like what got you? Like, how did that
become your thing?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah? No, that was yeah a story. I was a
PhD at Hopkins and after that, you know, we do
a post off and I didn't have a geographic costume
because my husband has a job in DC and we
at that time, I have two very young kids, the
(06:03):
one actually about to have another one, so I was
hoping to find a lab locally. Then I saw an
advertisement in Science posted by doctor Francis Collins, and he
was looking for a post off for type two diabetes
in his lab. Right, you know, he just discovered that
was back in two thousand and four. He just sequenced
(06:26):
the human genome. So fascinated, so I submitted my application
to him and then he reviewed it because I was
trained as a cell biologist at Harkins. He then sent
back the email to me said I may have a
better project for you.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And then that's kind of and that's kind of where
it took off. You That is amazing to me, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And that was the first time I heard about progeria.
Then he sent it to me that I started reading
about it, so yep.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And so now the and so then you teamed up
with and forgive me, I don't remember ther your partner's name, Gaudy.
Maybe I'm just trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
The Jasmine L. Cardy.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, but you guys teamed up now to use this
methylene blue or methylene blue in order just back just
to treat so that everybody can use it.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yep. So we the first formula, I believe it or not,
it was formulated in my lab. At that time, I
still didn't have a company. I just want to make
sure it is soluble. It is all that before I
started a company and doing all the crazy stuff, right,
I didn't know the road map or anything in front
of me. That was back in twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen.
(07:48):
So then I teamed up after the initial success of
the little notion. We made it in the lab and
the cream. So I applied it to my self and
I feel it's pretty good. So I was teamed up
with Jasmine L. Cordy. So she is a very experienced
(08:12):
entrepreneur and she has led like very successful marketing strategies
for a st. Five hundred companies. And fortunately at the
time she just retired and she was looking for something
to do, so we did it together. So we started
with one cream in twenty nineteen commercially first on the
(08:34):
Amazon and on our own store. Then now we have
about twelve products as individual products, and we have different
like sites and combinations.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, is it does the company? Is the company doing well? Like?
Has it taken off and is doing well?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yep, I'm very proud. We are doing well and we
are Yeah, we are profitable. We are paying access to Maryland.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Well, I guess that's one way to look at it.
That's a big dog you got there in the background.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, listen, I'm so glad when we were talking about
you yesterday and I just thought I would leave a
dumb voicemail, but I'm glad that I'm glad you ended
up calling us back.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Oh well, my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I will. I will hold on. If you make any
more mistakes in the lab that you feel like we
need to know about, you'll let me know.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I will.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
All right, Yes, you do two things. I'm gonna put
you on hold. You're going to talk to Kristen, who,
by the way, did better than the rest of us
in doctor Hall's study. If you know what I mean,
so let me put you on there, let me get
your shirt or so. I'm not sure you're wear that
all over the place, doctor cow. I appreciate the time.
Thank you, thank you for having me absolutely, thank you, doctor,
(09:54):
Thank you. How awesome is that? The wait? Hold on second,
Hold on, doctor col yep, Hi, I'm back, Hey, real quick,
real quick. I did Maybe you didn't hear me. I
said I was going to give you a shirt. That's
where you should have said, like, oh, let me get
you some samples.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Oh well, you know I didn't know how the deal. Yeah,
so I did hear the sentence You're going to get
me your shirt?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
So yeah, I'm very happy to sending our balluling. It's
called a blue L E N E. Our blueling samposts
to you. You give me your address and you know
perfect give me a high.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, oh I will. I will listen. If it works
on me, it'll work on anybody. All right, very good?
Wait hold on one second. Hold thank you, yes, hold.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
On for everyone else. There is a Father's Day sale
on their website.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Hey, you're horrible at marketing, doctor, doctor horrible?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, I am, I am? Uh you know a scientist
by trending. But I have to say, well, you just
alounched that new serum based on my research. That is
uh a syrum for your hair regrowth, targeting the hair
follicle stem cells. We do have a big cell on
our website for that. We call it the Hair Density
(11:11):
renew And the way it works is very different from
the rest of the world. If it actually comes in
and targeting your stem cells in the hair follicles, so
that will make your stem cells healthier and your hair
follicles stronger, and the hair will regrow and less shedding
(11:35):
will happen.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, So this is like I mean, listen, I know
women can lose their hair also, but I feel like
if this is this is like a wonder drug for men.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I think it's gender neutral. Yeah. Women, yeah, we we
we do, especially going through like a talidbirth and you know, menopause,
et cetera. But you know it's not an open topic
for woman.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Sure. Yeah, no, no, I get that. I get that
all right, So there is what is the website, Tyler,
what is the website? Blue lean u e l E. Yeah,
we'll handle the marketing doctor literally, yeah, no, your plasing, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
So much stuff in my cart.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
All right, let's get those samples over. I'm not going bald.
I don't need that. All right, very good? Hold on
one second. Hold on for your shirt, Hold on one second.
Thank you. She's awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Use code Dad twenty at checkout.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I got a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
You should get the I cream Elliott.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I was just gonna ask if there's anything for my eyes.
I'm just gonna ask her. But I'm like, she probably
already thinks I'm a disgusting animal.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I plus an advanced treatment that will rejuvenate and brighten
the skin around the eye.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Isn't that crazy? Because some undergrad, some freshman was like that,
you know what, here, can I tell you where I
feel bad? When she was talking about how it was
like a miss not a mistake, but she thought it
was a cross contamination. What's the first thing you thought of?
What Reese's peanut buttercups. That's the first thing I have
(13:05):
asked her where the peanut butter and got into the
chocolate on accident, and it made a great thing. No
scientist thinks that was the first thing I thought of. Hers,
By the way, may help projery or make people anti aging,
or regrow hair but that's what I could compare it
to B l U E L E N E Blue.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Lean oh Man sagging neck skin, Yes, contours, the jawline,
lifts the cheeks, smooths the wrinkles, and crows feet. We
we may need a couple samples of each. I like her, though,
I like great, I loved her, and it's all it's
(13:49):
just all Maryland.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I tied the she's she's right down stairs from doctor Hall.
But don't you agree that she should have done the
fart study? After all of his press right not just
from us. He probably is much more known there than
he was before. Absolutely God, yes he was.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
In the Daily Mail and you didn't even mention doctor
Gary Coleman.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
The okay, I can't get back on. I can't get
back on
Have a little treat for everybody. He lost you, doctor.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Cow how E in the morning.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi, yes, Hi, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm doing well? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I am great? Thank you. I'm sorry about the voicemail
I left for you yesterday. No problem when you got
the voicemail. To be honest, did you have any idea
who who we were?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I actually got a voice message in my email. Oh
then I know, so yeah, you know the modern technology.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yes, of course, of course, anyway we were. We were
talking about you yesterday. So we've we've had some very
very what's the word I'm looking for. You're a doctor
the like like we worked with doctor Brantley Hall at
the University of Maryland. I don't know if you know him,
but like he did that whole He.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Is upstairs too. Yeah, his celebrity is upstairs to mine.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
He must be a celebrity. The Hey, can I ask
you this? Did you do his study?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Oh? No, but you know I am aware of some
of the students.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, well you're talking to one we we farted
for science.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well you know friendly, Yeah, we've been qualege. He and
I are in the same department as.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well right now, But you're trying to he's just trying
to like get people to fart. We were. I was
talking about you yesterday, you were trying to like I mean,
it was pretty interesting you created like a whole anti
aging skin line or skincare line. But wasn't it born
out of trying to find like a cure treatment for progeria.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Correct. I was just focusing on studying progeria, which is
an accelerated human agent disease, right as a professor and
our research. So then I stepped upon an interesting mitochondria booster.
Because the mitochondria in progeria patients skin cells are broken,
(02:12):
they're swollen, they are not making enough for energy. So
I was thinking of if I can find a booster
for their metochondria, I may be able to help to alleviate,
maybe not to cure the disease, but help the children
feel better with progeria. Right. So then I did the
experiment by having a group of we call control cell lines.
(02:35):
Those are from healthy individuals in order to match progeria
A pen cell lines from normal donors, a healthy donors
from the age of twenty all the way to age
eighty plus. And then I have a couple of precious
skin cell lines from progeria patients. They are very rare.
We will have about two hundred patients worldwide. Then I
(02:59):
added that magic molecule. What my student actually was an undergraduate.
He came to my office the other day after like
a couple of days after the treatment. He said, Doctor Tall,
I have to tell you something. I think I might
have mixed up the cells. All the cells look fabulous.
(03:19):
I don't know what happened, including progeria and also including
all my control sale lines. Right then, I thought that
he must have done something like he just we call
cross contamination is just because everything is so small, you
sometimes you make a mistake, just mix up the healthy
ones and spilled over to the disease ones and eventually
(03:40):
they take over. So I asked him to do it again. Well,
we see the same thing. And then I asked my
senior most senior scientists in the lab, and she did it.
She was like, yes, I think the magic molecule mattine
brew helped all the cell lines and fortunately they are
(04:01):
all from human skin. That's the idea I initially it
can maybe I can create a skin uh abbreviation molecule
that can help everybody to like not only the two
hundred kids in the world, but everybody help for their
(04:21):
skin to glow, to be healthier.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, so for for exact Hey, so the the the
Well we'll get to that. They said, Well, two questions.
Two questions like how crazy is it that some undergrad
Not not that an undergrad kid isn't capable of doing that,
but that your first reaction, which I think would be right,
is Okay, what'd you mess up? Do it again? Yeah? Like,
(04:44):
obviously you mess something up, you got to do it again. Like,
how crazy is that? Like that that seems very I mean,
it just seems like a nuts story to me.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It's like penicillin.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
You know, as a scientist, and especially as a CI
of a lab, we have A'm a graduated graduator, you know, scientist,
I want to be cautious, right, especially the first time
when we see something, we always think what did we
do wrong? Can we reproduce it again and again? Before
we see fact independently three times I start to believe it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
That's great. So what is your what is your Like?
I know that you said that that when you went
into this and still are trying to find a treatment
for progeria. Do you do you have a tie to
progeria or like what got you? Like, how did that
become your thing?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah? No, that was yeah a story. I was a
PhD at Hopkins and after that, you know, we do
a post off and I didn't have a geographic costume
because my husband has a job in DC and we
at that time, I have two very young kids, the
(06:03):
one actually about to have another one, so I was
hoping to find a lab locally. Then I saw an
advertisement in Science posted by doctor Francis Collins, and he
was looking for a post off for type two diabetes
in his lab. Right, you know, he just discovered that
was back in two thousand and four. He just sequenced
(06:26):
the human genome. So fascinated, so I submitted my application
to him and then he reviewed it because I was
trained as a cell biologist at Harkins. He then sent
back the email to me said I may have a
better project for you.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And then that's kind of and that's kind of where
it took off. You That is amazing to me, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
And that was the first time I heard about progeria.
Then he sent it to me that I started reading
about it, so yep.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And so now the and so then you teamed up
with and forgive me, I don't remember ther your partner's name, Gaudy.
Maybe I'm just trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
The Jasmine L. Cardy.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, but you guys teamed up now to use this
methylene blue or methylene blue in order just back just
to treat so that everybody can use it.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yep. So we the first formula, I believe it or not,
it was formulated in my lab. At that time, I
still didn't have a company. I just want to make
sure it is soluble. It is all that before I
started a company and doing all the crazy stuff, right,
I didn't know the road map or anything in front
of me. That was back in twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen.
(07:48):
So then I teamed up after the initial success of
the little notion. We made it in the lab and
the cream. So I applied it to my self and
I feel it's pretty good. So I was teamed up
with Jasmine L. Cordy. So she is a very experienced
(08:12):
entrepreneur and she has led like very successful marketing strategies
for a st. Five hundred companies. And fortunately at the
time she just retired and she was looking for something
to do, so we did it together. So we started
with one cream in twenty nineteen commercially first on the
(08:34):
Amazon and on our own store. Then now we have
about twelve products as individual products, and we have different
like sites and combinations.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, is it does the company? Is the company doing well? Like?
Has it taken off and is doing well?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yep, I'm very proud. We are doing well and we
are Yeah, we are profitable. We are paying access to Maryland.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Well, I guess that's one way to look at it.
That's a big dog you got there in the background.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, listen, I'm so glad when we were talking about
you yesterday and I just thought I would leave a
dumb voicemail, but I'm glad that I'm glad you ended
up calling us back.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Oh well, my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I will. I will hold on. If you make any
more mistakes in the lab that you feel like we
need to know about, you'll let me know.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I will.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
All right, Yes, you do two things. I'm gonna put
you on hold. You're going to talk to Kristen, who,
by the way, did better than the rest of us
in doctor Hall's study. If you know what I mean,
so let me put you on there, let me get
your shirt or so. I'm not sure you're wear that
all over the place, doctor cow. I appreciate the time.
Thank you, thank you for having me absolutely, thank you, doctor,
(09:54):
Thank you. How awesome is that? The wait? Hold on second,
Hold on, doctor col yep, Hi, I'm back, Hey, real quick,
real quick. I did Maybe you didn't hear me. I
said I was going to give you a shirt. That's
where you should have said, like, oh, let me get
you some samples.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Oh well, you know I didn't know how the deal. Yeah,
so I did hear the sentence You're going to get
me your shirt?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
So yeah, I'm very happy to sending our balluling. It's
called a blue L E N E. Our blueling samposts
to you. You give me your address and you know
perfect give me a high.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, oh I will. I will listen. If it works
on me, it'll work on anybody. All right, very good?
Wait hold on one second. Hold thank you, yes, hold.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
On for everyone else. There is a Father's Day sale
on their website.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Hey, you're horrible at marketing, doctor, doctor horrible?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, I am, I am? Uh you know a scientist
by trending. But I have to say, well, you just
alounched that new serum based on my research. That is
uh a syrum for your hair regrowth, targeting the hair
follicle stem cells. We do have a big cell on
our website for that. We call it the Hair Density
(11:11):
renew And the way it works is very different from
the rest of the world. If it actually comes in
and targeting your stem cells in the hair follicles, so
that will make your stem cells healthier and your hair
follicles stronger, and the hair will regrow and less shedding
(11:35):
will happen.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, So this is like I mean, listen, I know
women can lose their hair also, but I feel like
if this is this is like a wonder drug for men.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I think it's gender neutral. Yeah. Women, yeah, we we
we do, especially going through like a talidbirth and you know, menopause,
et cetera. But you know it's not an open topic
for woman.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Sure. Yeah, no, no, I get that. I get that
all right, So there is what is the website, Tyler,
what is the website? Blue lean u e l E. Yeah,
we'll handle the marketing doctor literally, yeah, no, your plasing, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
So much stuff in my cart.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
All right, let's get those samples over. I'm not going bald.
I don't need that. All right, very good? Hold on
one second. Hold on for your shirt, Hold on one second.
Thank you. She's awesome.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Use code Dad twenty at checkout.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I got a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
You should get the I cream Elliott.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I was just gonna ask if there's anything for my eyes.
I'm just gonna ask her. But I'm like, she probably
already thinks I'm a disgusting animal.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
I plus an advanced treatment that will rejuvenate and brighten
the skin around the eye.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Isn't that crazy? Because some undergrad, some freshman was like that,
you know what, here, can I tell you where I
feel bad? When she was talking about how it was
like a miss not a mistake, but she thought it
was a cross contamination. What's the first thing you thought of?
What Reese's peanut buttercups. That's the first thing I have
(13:05):
asked her where the peanut butter and got into the
chocolate on accident, and it made a great thing. No
scientist thinks that was the first thing I thought of. Hers,
By the way, may help projery or make people anti aging,
or regrow hair but that's what I could compare it
to B l U E L E N E Blue.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Lean oh Man sagging neck skin, Yes, contours, the jawline,
lifts the cheeks, smooths the wrinkles, and crows feet. We
we may need a couple samples of each. I like her, though,
I like great, I loved her, and it's all it's
(13:49):
just all Maryland.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I tied the she's she's right down stairs from doctor Hall.
But don't you agree that she should have done the
fart study? After all of his press right not just
from us. He probably is much more known there than
he was before. Absolutely God, yes he was.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
In the Daily Mail and you didn't even mention doctor
Gary Coleman.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
The okay, I can't get back on. I can't get
back on
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