June 5, 2026 ⢠20 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Have you had perry many? Pause?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, all right, very good, very good.
I'm not saying that right, it's just regular many pause,
parah para many?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Are you saying many?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
What's the not many? I love that prefix has got concerned.
We're worried about you know the rest of it?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
No, no, no mena pause? Why am I saying many?
It's no? Yeah, no, I know, there I go. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Hey do you use many pauses a way to describe
how you talk?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Hey? Do you do?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
You?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Do you mind me asking how? How how young were
you when you went through menopause?
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Probably about fifty two?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Fifty two? Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Is sixty late? Is sixty late? How long does menopause last?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It depends?
Speaker 7 (00:53):
I don't know because I'm still currently there.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So oh sorry, almost twenty years.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
No, I didn't know it was twenty. I was gonna
say at I would imagine at least ten.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
I thought it was yeah, like maybe not twenty. I'm exaggerating,
but I've definitely seen literature about it being fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Where people are where people are hot flashing for fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
No way can unless you but is able to find
medications that help you or supplements or.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Fifteen is the extreme end?
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Okay, well extreme end might be like for decades and decades.
I understand there may be crazy. Yeah, yeah, I think
you ebb and flow.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Novelty case, novelty case, don't.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
You usually hear? And I don't know why Diane isn't
taking the reins on this one, but I'll speak as
a forty four year old male. Isn't it between five
and fifteen years on average?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I think that sounds right.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That's a big gap.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, no, I mean you can go through like I
went through a really bad stretch of it, and then
it kind of it fades out, fades out. Then every
once in a while, I'm like wet in my ass off.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And I shouldn't laugh. I shouldn't laugh. Does it do
honest question? Honest question? Does it do anything to jack
up your head?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Brain? Fog is one of the chiefs. But what is
that like? Oh, I forgot my keys?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I think it could be that. I mean, I'm I
don't remember anything anymore. Yeah, no offense, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I mean, that's been a long time though.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
He's saying that before I'm very.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Crush that right now.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
No, no, so I can you look up a story
because I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, I understand what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Sixty one year old woman blinded herself with a plastic
fork at a Connecticut hospital after menopause triggered severe mental illness.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Now she's ending up suing the hospital.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Because she felt like as though they didn't eat her
or take her seriously or.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
She literally gouged her eyes out with a with uh
plastic fork.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Good morning, lovely, But how how did menopause start?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I mean, I feel like you've heard people where maybe
not to this extreme, but it can really mess with
your emotions and you can have like extreme feelings of
anger or desperation or exasperation, you know, or especially I
think about fifteen years, you're gonna be like Jesus Christ,
(03:35):
when is this going to end?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Right?
Speaker 6 (03:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I get that like that, I get that's frustration, But.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I didn't mentioned the idea that maybe you can have
supplements or medication.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So you can take but you can take medication for menopause.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, there's like hormone replacement therapy is the biggie.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, no, but it's not like it's not like like
you take ozempic to lose weight, right, you take and
apparently stop cancer this week.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
My goodness, that's been a great week for him.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
You take vicant in for pain. Is there a pill
for menopause?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I mean they have, there's OTC stuff, there's you know,
hormone replacement therapy is the big one.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
What original tribal chief meant the count. But so when
we've talked about ies being gouged out the past, it's
usually someone who's really drugs, right, or chemicals that are
messing with what's going on. So when Diana brought those up,
(04:40):
I'm thinking, was it not the menopause? Was it something
used to try to manage the symptoms?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Oh? That I don't know. That's what I don't understand
the story.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
That's what it said when she was admitted to the
hospital is for an overdose of medication.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So did she overdose because of menopause?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
She was said to have experience decline in her mental
health around the same time she started menopause, which was
two years before she ended up in the hospital. But
now she's permanently blind.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, she literally took plastic forks and gouged her eyes out.
Oh my god, So I don't. I guess I don't.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I don't disrespect menopause. I but I probably don't respect
it enough.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Oh no, because you haven't experienced it and never will. Right,
you've got manopause shirts.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh that's right, the same thing with periods.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Daniel Deverel rights rain fog, night sweats, frozen hip. Oh,
I haven't heard of that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
How about shoulder? Do you know any women about frozen shoulder?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I heard a frozen hip?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Me neither. I'm worried. Wait, frozen hip, I've never heard of.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I haven't heard of that, donish, I'm back.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So wait, So Daniel Deverell has.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
What frozen rain, fog, night sweats, frozen hip.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well, the night sweats will kind of make it slipping
back there, that that dingle will fly.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Away from Aaron and Barlow. I've been in perimenopause for
four years.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Last night, last night at a hot she is forty eight.
That's maybe important for this. Last night at a five
K for work, I took my shirt off, cut the
neck and sleeves and carried on looking like white trash.
I'm on HRT, that's hormon but a hot flesh almost
(06:32):
took me out, damn. And then right below that, Hobie writes,
I think menopause is just made up.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
To have an excuse for being such a crab. I
thought I thought we were gonna get his usual. I
got my own proper.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
What is so is when when when you say HRTs? Right? Yeah,
what is that the hormone replacement?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
There? Yeah, it's it's medication.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But is that is that the medication you're talking about
that people will take? Right?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I mean it it's not called HRT. There's a bunch
of there's armor thyroid or NP thyroid. There's a bunch
of different ones.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Right, But is it? But does everybody take that? A
lot of people there?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
There have been in past years there was a concern
of it raising your chances to get breast cancer, but
that has since been.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So taking the hormone replace there was a big word.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I would say, like maybe like twenty or so years ago,
that was the concern about doing it, so a lot
of women wouldn't go that route. But then now I
guess with different medications and things evolving that they they
are saying, no, no, that's not yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No, I mean the last thing you want to do
is take something to help you from quoting a friend
being a crab.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
The GLP ones also, that's happened with lung cancer, breast cancer.
I don't know if that.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I don't know if if glp ones have any airing
on menopause symptoms, but I.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Bet they do. I mean it's helping everything else.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But I'm saying if there is a concern with the
therapy and cancer. On the other hand, I'm fighting it
and losing weight.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
You're sweaty, but not as sweaty because you dropped all
the pals.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I'm sweaty, but I'm skinty from Instagram. We barely know
anything about menopause because.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I feel like I know so much about menopause.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Like most things that only affect women, it's barely been study.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Here we go. What is the here we go? I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It's just something I say before I eat.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Here we Go.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Stephanie says, look up Melinda Gates announcement. We talked about
that in news. Yeah, she's given all that money to
menopause for her So that's a good thing for research.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
No, I think it's a great thing for research. Now
give something to us who men.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, we want under representation.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
We want the social system to evolve around us. Can
we get that? Does serve you?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Please? Just make it even? Where am I going? Line one? Hi?
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Elliott in the morning, Elliott's girl?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Oh hey, how are you.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Good? So I'm just gonna say it's kind of like
how postpartum depression can affect people in different ways, and
some people have it really bad, some people don't. That's
like menopause with because it's all about hormonal shift and
how that impacts mental health and what was saying about
certain things causing cancer. That's why they don't want you
just taking estrogen. You also need to take progesterone two.
(09:50):
That's what my obi said. But because otherwise it is
a cancer.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
That's the delay. Oh my god, thank you man, thank you,
thank you. By the way, you know what you know
what helped?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Is that fair? Like when she said postpartum.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That it can affect people in many different ways, is
that the same thing with the menopause?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It is like?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Is that is that a good comparison?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I like it when she's likening it to the variety
right of symptoms?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I don't know the science.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I just I meant it in the same way of
the severity, yeah, or lack of severity.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
So.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah that I kind of like, I'm not going to
study it. The little woman do it.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I got my own problem.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Where am I going lying to? I had another question,
but I don't remember it. Hi Elliot in the morning,
Good morning, pardon me, Yes, what can I do for you?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, I know, well whatever, it's Friday.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
I went into perimenopause at thirty eight. But then I
went on the golp ones and I lost forty pounds
and all my symptoms went away.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh wow, So.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
We were right get on the jab And did the
doctor totally relate the two he had to have or
she had to have?
Speaker 7 (11:18):
No, well, he just said the weight.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Loss really yeah, right? Well yeah, I mean, if you're.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
Not really helped the hormones, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Not saying this would be mean, but I mean, if
you lost forty pounds, you're in much better health, better shape,
and so that's got to be the healthier and shapier
you are.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
That that's good for you. That's good all around.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
But that's the other thing too, with her getting the
help with the golp ones. If you don't, I mean,
if you're trying to do the same stuff that you
did in your thirties in your forties to lose weight, right,
you're not going to Yeah, so get the jab. That's
another thing about menopause. You get fat the That's one
(12:00):
I was like, I would, I would sweat all day long.
But where did this come from?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
What is the is there no? Is there no consensus?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
If I lined up, like what doctor, I don't even
know what doctor you see when you have menopause.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Is that your general practitioner or your OBG gynecologists might
help out?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It runds.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
If I lined up ten obgyns and ten general practitioner
like women practitioner doctors, would I get twenty different answers
on what you should do?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I would think?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So really yeah, oh so it's all over the road.
It's not like you break your mind.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Doctor, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
My doctor was like, you could be impairmentopause for twenty
twenty years. He was like, this could last a really
long time, and then you can go into many menopause
and that could last another twenty years.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
So just buy fans essentially, fans.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
That's what he told me.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Interesting, interesting, all right, very good, very good, thank you.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I'm going to preface this by saying it was written
by a woman. Technically, menopause is only one day twelve
months after your last period. Then it's all post menopause.
I've been on the meds for fifteen years. Whenever I
try to go off, the symptoms return and my migraine's triple.
(13:24):
I'd caution Elliott to not verbally roll his eyes about
menopause when he's speaking to menopausal women.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I'm not rolling my eyes.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I'm chewing.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
No, I'm trying to learn. I'm educating my self.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Is that your version of the tummy and the top
of the head. You can't eat and roll your eyes
at the same time.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, No, I'm not rolling mine.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Maybe she was referencing a few moments ago when you
went on, oh.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well that's fastcious.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
From Instagram as well. Man.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
By the way, she's the one who started it's only
one day.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
No, but she's but then she said it's essentially the
rest your life. But she said if she went off
for medication, she'd be screwed.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Well, then don't get off your medication.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
There's that simple answer. We were all looking for. This
is another DM. Go after yourselves. If you think it's
unfair that menopause is now getting some attention it deserves.
You have options for your ed and your hair loss.
Who is she talking to men in general?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
By the way, By the way, I'm not I'm not
ignoring menopause.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Did we not talk about Melinda Gates?
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I think, well, no, clearly feel miss that right.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Well, that's on them. That's like tuning in in the
middle of the sentence and going, well, I didn't hear
the first part, but yes.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
As people join the conversation midway through, I think they're
catching just a glimpse of satire. I don't know, it's
it's not how you really feel, right, No, no, no, no, Well.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I don't know how to say it because everybody every
and he's getting all but hurts.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Is that a simping bay?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Why is Diane?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Diane can say like they're all sweaty and hot and everything,
but I can't, just.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Because you can hear people nodding.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yes, I know, and they like when Obie said their crabs.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
They were nodding, go ahead, I know. Danielle Deverell's got
frozen hip.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
This is from Ira. Yeah, there's more research into menopause
than women want to admit.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I don't want anybody to be mad. There's nothing to
be mad about. Or is it just we're always mad?
Don't be mad? Hi Ellie in the morning, Hi missus, Jennifer,
Hi Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
How are you.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
I'm good?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
How are you doing good? I feel like you're mad.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
I'm not mad at all. I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Oh, don't be nervous. What are you nervous about? Is
that from menopause?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, don't be nervous.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
No, nervous, just being on the radio. But I'm calling
in because it is an important subject and I have
I'm coming at it from two different places. One, I
am on hormone replacement therapy to help deal with the
symptoms of menopause. But also I work as a psychotherapist,
and in that realm, we see people sent to us
(16:34):
for things like depression and anxiety. And in the larger viewpoint,
now taking us what we call a biopsychosocial aspect to
anxiety and depression, it's now more important to start asking clients,
female clients where they are in their menopause journey, because
(16:54):
oftentimes something something like anxiety or depression that's normally treated
with medications for those issues can also be treated and
helped with hormone replacement therapy. So one of the questions
I start with is, hey, have you been to your kinecologist.
(17:15):
Have you started asking questions? Can you get your hormones
your levels tested, those kind of things, because in conjunction
with talk therapy and maybe some anti depressant, but also
getting on hormone replacement therapy, we can get a better
read and a better expectancy for people who are having
(17:35):
issues like depression, anxiety, aches and pains, brain fogs. You're
talking about frozen hips, there's also fun.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Danielle Deverrel's got that well. Tyler also has frozen shoulder,
two of them.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Yeah, his menopause journey is difficult.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's how I'm going every female caller moving forward.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm just gonna say, hey, can you get your can
you get your menzies in line.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
For your hormones? Hormones? Exactly? Exactly? Hey, but is it?
But so like when you hear that this woman.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Gouged her eyes out because of menopause, Like you hear
that and go, it's it's menopause. But it's the symptoms
of menopause, like you said, like whether it's depression or
whatever the case, it was the symptoms that drove her
to do it.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Actually, what I'm hearing from what you said was there
she was on taking something, so I don't know whether
it was something prescribed to her or something a supplement,
and I have you know, I draw issues with supplements
because they're not regulated, so depending on what you buy
and where you buy it from, you can't be guaranteed
(18:47):
of the quality of that supplement I got it, and
sometimes online there's some kind of I don't know, off
label use of things, so we don't know what she
was actually taking, and that could have caused a psychotic
event that urged her to do the behavior that she did.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah. No, she douged your eyes out with a plastic fork.
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
That's quite a behavior, right, Yeah, no, call. I think
of it more as what was she on that drove
her to the idea that that's what she needed to
do to bring relief to herself. And if that was
prescribed by the doctors that she's suing, that maybe the
line that you're looking down rather than the symptoms of
the menopause. What was she taking to alleviate those symptoms
(19:36):
that then gave her a psychosis?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Very good, very good. I appreciate it. They see there
was nothing to be nervous about. You did great.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
And the other thing I would point out something I
talked to younger clients about getting your hormone levels tested
at different stages, like in your twenties, thirties, and forties,
and keeping record of that because the more that we
learn about hormone replacement therapy, it will be I believe
it'll be used more and more in generations to come.
(20:04):
And if they have an idea of where their hormones
were at different stages of their maturation, that can be
used to help them level out when they go through
that's good.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
No, that's good. That's a good tip. That's a good tip.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
All right, very good, there throw it out, all right,
very good, Thank you, ma'am, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
She was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
She was great. She had a good command of language.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, And she said she was coming at it from
sort of two different sides, and.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I bet she has some dumb clients.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
So she was like, I can project on the internet
is loaded with different Like she was saying like supplements
that that will promise to help alleviate symptoms. If people
are like, oh, I don't want to take a medication,
but I'll take this supplement, this novel.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Where am I going
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Ye
Have you had perry many? Pause?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, all right, very good, very good.
I'm not saying that right, it's just regular many pause,
parah para many?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Are you saying many?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
What's the not many? I love that prefix has got concerned.
We're worried about you know the rest of it?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
No, no, no mena pause? Why am I saying many?
It's no? Yeah, no, I know, there I go. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Hey do you use many pauses a way to describe
how you talk?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Hey? Do you do?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
You?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Do you mind me asking how? How how young were
you when you went through menopause?
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Probably about fifty two?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Fifty two? Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Is sixty late? Is sixty late? How long does menopause last?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
It depends?
Speaker 7 (00:53):
I don't know because I'm still currently there.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So oh sorry, almost twenty years.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
No, I didn't know it was twenty. I was gonna
say at I would imagine at least ten.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
I thought it was yeah, like maybe not twenty. I'm exaggerating,
but I've definitely seen literature about it being fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Where people are where people are hot flashing for fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
No way can unless you but is able to find
medications that help you or supplements or.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Fifteen is the extreme end?
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Okay, well extreme end might be like for decades and decades.
I understand there may be crazy. Yeah, yeah, I think
you ebb and flow.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Novelty case, novelty case, don't.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
You usually hear? And I don't know why Diane isn't
taking the reins on this one, but I'll speak as
a forty four year old male. Isn't it between five
and fifteen years on average?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I think that sounds right.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That's a big gap.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, no, I mean you can go through like I
went through a really bad stretch of it, and then
it kind of it fades out, fades out. Then every
once in a while, I'm like wet in my ass off.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
And I shouldn't laugh. I shouldn't laugh. Does it do
honest question? Honest question? Does it do anything to jack
up your head?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Brain? Fog is one of the chiefs. But what is
that like? Oh, I forgot my keys?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I think it could be that. I mean, I'm I
don't remember anything anymore. Yeah, no offense, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I mean, that's been a long time though.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
He's saying that before I'm very.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Crush that right now.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
No, no, so I can you look up a story
because I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, I understand what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Sixty one year old woman blinded herself with a plastic
fork at a Connecticut hospital after menopause triggered severe mental illness.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Now she's ending up suing the hospital.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Because she felt like as though they didn't eat her
or take her seriously or.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
She literally gouged her eyes out with a with uh
plastic fork.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Good morning, lovely, But how how did menopause start?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I mean, I feel like you've heard people where maybe
not to this extreme, but it can really mess with
your emotions and you can have like extreme feelings of
anger or desperation or exasperation, you know, or especially I
think about fifteen years, you're gonna be like Jesus Christ,
(03:35):
when is this going to end?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Right?
Speaker 6 (03:36):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I get that like that, I get that's frustration, But.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I didn't mentioned the idea that maybe you can have
supplements or medication.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So you can take but you can take medication for menopause.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, there's like hormone replacement therapy is the biggie.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, no, but it's not like it's not like like
you take ozempic to lose weight, right, you take and
apparently stop cancer this week.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
My goodness, that's been a great week for him.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
You take vicant in for pain. Is there a pill
for menopause?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I mean they have, there's OTC stuff, there's you know,
hormone replacement therapy is the big one.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
What original tribal chief meant the count. But so when
we've talked about ies being gouged out the past, it's
usually someone who's really drugs, right, or chemicals that are
messing with what's going on. So when Diana brought those up,
(04:40):
I'm thinking, was it not the menopause? Was it something
used to try to manage the symptoms?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Oh? That I don't know. That's what I don't understand
the story.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
That's what it said when she was admitted to the
hospital is for an overdose of medication.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So did she overdose because of menopause?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
She was said to have experience decline in her mental
health around the same time she started menopause, which was
two years before she ended up in the hospital. But
now she's permanently blind.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, she literally took plastic forks and gouged her eyes out.
Oh my god, So I don't. I guess I don't.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I don't disrespect menopause. I but I probably don't respect
it enough.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Oh no, because you haven't experienced it and never will. Right,
you've got manopause shirts.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Oh that's right, the same thing with periods.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Daniel Deverel rights rain fog, night sweats, frozen hip. Oh,
I haven't heard of that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
How about shoulder? Do you know any women about frozen shoulder?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I heard a frozen hip?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Me neither. I'm worried. Wait, frozen hip, I've never heard of.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I haven't heard of that, donish, I'm back.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So wait, So Daniel Deverell has.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
What frozen rain, fog, night sweats, frozen hip.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well, the night sweats will kind of make it slipping
back there, that that dingle will fly.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Away from Aaron and Barlow. I've been in perimenopause for
four years.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Last night, last night at a hot she is forty eight.
That's maybe important for this. Last night at a five
K for work, I took my shirt off, cut the
neck and sleeves and carried on looking like white trash.
I'm on HRT, that's hormon but a hot flesh almost
(06:32):
took me out, damn. And then right below that, Hobie writes,
I think menopause is just made up.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
To have an excuse for being such a crab. I
thought I thought we were gonna get his usual. I
got my own proper.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
What is so is when when when you say HRTs? Right? Yeah,
what is that the hormone replacement?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
There? Yeah, it's it's medication.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But is that is that the medication you're talking about
that people will take? Right?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I mean it it's not called HRT. There's a bunch
of there's armor thyroid or NP thyroid. There's a bunch
of different ones.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Right, But is it? But does everybody take that? A
lot of people there?
Speaker 3 (07:20):
There have been in past years there was a concern
of it raising your chances to get breast cancer, but
that has since been.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So taking the hormone replace there was a big word.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I would say, like maybe like twenty or so years ago,
that was the concern about doing it, so a lot
of women wouldn't go that route. But then now I
guess with different medications and things evolving that they they
are saying, no, no, that's not yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No, I mean the last thing you want to do
is take something to help you from quoting a friend
being a crab.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
The GLP ones also, that's happened with lung cancer, breast cancer.
I don't know if that.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I don't know if if glp ones have any airing
on menopause symptoms, but I.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Bet they do. I mean it's helping everything else.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But I'm saying if there is a concern with the
therapy and cancer. On the other hand, I'm fighting it
and losing weight.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
You're sweaty, but not as sweaty because you dropped all
the pals.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I'm sweaty, but I'm skinty from Instagram. We barely know
anything about menopause because.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I feel like I know so much about menopause.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Like most things that only affect women, it's barely been study.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Here we go. What is the here we go? I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
It's just something I say before I eat.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Here we Go.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Stephanie says, look up Melinda Gates announcement. We talked about
that in news. Yeah, she's given all that money to
menopause for her So that's a good thing for research.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
No, I think it's a great thing for research. Now
give something to us who men.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, we want under representation.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
We want the social system to evolve around us. Can
we get that? Does serve you?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Please? Just make it even? Where am I going? Line one? Hi?
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Elliott in the morning, Elliott's girl?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Oh hey, how are you.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Good? So I'm just gonna say it's kind of like
how postpartum depression can affect people in different ways, and
some people have it really bad, some people don't. That's
like menopause with because it's all about hormonal shift and
how that impacts mental health and what was saying about
certain things causing cancer. That's why they don't want you
just taking estrogen. You also need to take progesterone two.
(09:50):
That's what my obi said. But because otherwise it is
a cancer.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
That's the delay. Oh my god, thank you man, thank you,
thank you. By the way, you know what you know
what helped?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Is that fair? Like when she said postpartum.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That it can affect people in many different ways, is
that the same thing with the menopause?
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It is like?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Is that is that a good comparison?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I like it when she's likening it to the variety
right of symptoms?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
I don't know the science.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I just I meant it in the same way of
the severity, yeah, or lack of severity.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
So.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah that I kind of like, I'm not going to
study it. The little woman do it.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I got my own problem.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Where am I going lying to? I had another question,
but I don't remember it. Hi Elliot in the morning,
Good morning, pardon me, Yes, what can I do for you?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, I know, well whatever, it's Friday.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
I went into perimenopause at thirty eight. But then I
went on the golp ones and I lost forty pounds
and all my symptoms went away.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh wow, So.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
We were right get on the jab And did the
doctor totally relate the two he had to have or
she had to have?
Speaker 7 (11:18):
No, well, he just said the weight.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Loss really yeah, right? Well yeah, I mean, if you're.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
Not really helped the hormones, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Not saying this would be mean, but I mean, if
you lost forty pounds, you're in much better health, better shape,
and so that's got to be the healthier and shapier
you are.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
That that's good for you. That's good all around.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
But that's the other thing too, with her getting the
help with the golp ones. If you don't, I mean,
if you're trying to do the same stuff that you
did in your thirties in your forties to lose weight, right,
you're not going to Yeah, so get the jab. That's
another thing about menopause. You get fat the That's one
(12:00):
I was like, I would, I would sweat all day long.
But where did this come from?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
What is the is there no? Is there no consensus?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
If I lined up, like what doctor, I don't even
know what doctor you see when you have menopause.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Is that your general practitioner or your OBG gynecologists might
help out?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It runds.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
If I lined up ten obgyns and ten general practitioner
like women practitioner doctors, would I get twenty different answers
on what you should do?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I would think?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So really yeah, oh so it's all over the road.
It's not like you break your mind.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Doctor, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
My doctor was like, you could be impairmentopause for twenty
twenty years. He was like, this could last a really
long time, and then you can go into many menopause
and that could last another twenty years.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
So just buy fans essentially, fans.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
That's what he told me.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Interesting, interesting, all right, very good, very good, thank you.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I'm going to preface this by saying it was written
by a woman. Technically, menopause is only one day twelve
months after your last period. Then it's all post menopause.
I've been on the meds for fifteen years. Whenever I
try to go off, the symptoms return and my migraine's triple.
(13:24):
I'd caution Elliott to not verbally roll his eyes about
menopause when he's speaking to menopausal women.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I'm not rolling my eyes.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I'm chewing.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
No, I'm trying to learn. I'm educating my self.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Is that your version of the tummy and the top
of the head. You can't eat and roll your eyes
at the same time.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, No, I'm not rolling mine.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Maybe she was referencing a few moments ago when you
went on, oh.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well that's fastcious.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
From Instagram as well. Man.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
By the way, she's the one who started it's only
one day.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
No, but she's but then she said it's essentially the
rest your life. But she said if she went off
for medication, she'd be screwed.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Well, then don't get off your medication.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
There's that simple answer. We were all looking for. This
is another DM. Go after yourselves. If you think it's
unfair that menopause is now getting some attention it deserves.
You have options for your ed and your hair loss.
Who is she talking to men in general?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
By the way, By the way, I'm not I'm not
ignoring menopause.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Did we not talk about Melinda Gates?
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I think, well, no, clearly feel miss that right.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Well, that's on them. That's like tuning in in the
middle of the sentence and going, well, I didn't hear
the first part, but yes.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
As people join the conversation midway through, I think they're
catching just a glimpse of satire. I don't know, it's
it's not how you really feel, right, No, no, no, no, Well.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I don't know how to say it because everybody every
and he's getting all but hurts.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Is that a simping bay?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Why is Diane?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Diane can say like they're all sweaty and hot and everything,
but I can't, just.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Because you can hear people nodding.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yes, I know, and they like when Obie said their crabs.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
They were nodding, go ahead, I know. Danielle Deverell's got
frozen hip.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
This is from Ira. Yeah, there's more research into menopause
than women want to admit.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I don't want anybody to be mad. There's nothing to
be mad about. Or is it just we're always mad?
Don't be mad? Hi Ellie in the morning, Hi missus, Jennifer,
Hi Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
How are you.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
I'm good?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
How are you doing good? I feel like you're mad.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
I'm not mad at all. I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Oh, don't be nervous. What are you nervous about? Is
that from menopause?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, don't be nervous.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
No, nervous, just being on the radio. But I'm calling
in because it is an important subject and I have
I'm coming at it from two different places. One, I
am on hormone replacement therapy to help deal with the
symptoms of menopause. But also I work as a psychotherapist,
and in that realm, we see people sent to us
(16:34):
for things like depression and anxiety. And in the larger viewpoint,
now taking us what we call a biopsychosocial aspect to
anxiety and depression, it's now more important to start asking clients,
female clients where they are in their menopause journey, because
(16:54):
oftentimes something something like anxiety or depression that's normally treated
with medications for those issues can also be treated and
helped with hormone replacement therapy. So one of the questions
I start with is, hey, have you been to your kinecologist.
(17:15):
Have you started asking questions? Can you get your hormones
your levels tested, those kind of things, because in conjunction
with talk therapy and maybe some anti depressant, but also
getting on hormone replacement therapy, we can get a better
read and a better expectancy for people who are having
(17:35):
issues like depression, anxiety, aches and pains, brain fogs. You're
talking about frozen hips, there's also fun.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Danielle Deverrel's got that well. Tyler also has frozen shoulder,
two of them.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Yeah, his menopause journey is difficult.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's how I'm going every female caller moving forward.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm just gonna say, hey, can you get your can
you get your menzies in line.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
For your hormones? Hormones? Exactly? Exactly? Hey, but is it?
But so like when you hear that this woman.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Gouged her eyes out because of menopause, Like you hear
that and go, it's it's menopause. But it's the symptoms
of menopause, like you said, like whether it's depression or
whatever the case, it was the symptoms that drove her
to do it.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Actually, what I'm hearing from what you said was there
she was on taking something, so I don't know whether
it was something prescribed to her or something a supplement,
and I have you know, I draw issues with supplements
because they're not regulated, so depending on what you buy
and where you buy it from, you can't be guaranteed
(18:47):
of the quality of that supplement I got it, and
sometimes online there's some kind of I don't know, off
label use of things, so we don't know what she
was actually taking, and that could have caused a psychotic
event that urged her to do the behavior that she did.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah. No, she douged your eyes out with a plastic fork.
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
That's quite a behavior, right, Yeah, no, call. I think
of it more as what was she on that drove
her to the idea that that's what she needed to
do to bring relief to herself. And if that was
prescribed by the doctors that she's suing, that maybe the
line that you're looking down rather than the symptoms of
the menopause. What was she taking to alleviate those symptoms
(19:36):
that then gave her a psychosis?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Very good, very good. I appreciate it. They see there
was nothing to be nervous about. You did great.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
And the other thing I would point out something I
talked to younger clients about getting your hormone levels tested
at different stages, like in your twenties, thirties, and forties,
and keeping record of that because the more that we
learn about hormone replacement therapy, it will be I believe
it'll be used more and more in generations to come.
(20:04):
And if they have an idea of where their hormones
were at different stages of their maturation, that can be
used to help them level out when they go through
that's good.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
No, that's good. That's a good tip. That's a good tip.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
All right, very good, there throw it out, all right,
very good, Thank you, ma'am, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
She was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
She was great. She had a good command of language.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, And she said she was coming at it from
sort of two different sides, and.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I bet she has some dumb clients.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
So she was like, I can project on the internet
is loaded with different Like she was saying like supplements
that that will promise to help alleviate symptoms. If people
are like, oh, I don't want to take a medication,
but I'll take this supplement, this novel.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Where am I going
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Ye
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