June 4, 2026 ⢠33 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't know the last time that I was in
the courtroom during a like a trial taking place, like
as a juror or as a defendant or as a prosecutor.
Maybe I was brought in as a professional witness. But anyway,
is anybody familiar.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
With wait, what is it called? Hold on? Hold on?
Voice writing? Voice writing?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
So you're not how there's like a court stenographer who
types and makes everything, like is keeping track of everything
that's said? And it's not like you or I typing
on a keyboard, Like.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Isn't a lot of it? Like short? I mean they
are fast as hell.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, well it's not a regular keyboard.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, it's like shorthand or whatever. Okay, Diane, I don't
know what they're doing there.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Performative and it is.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, well there are two requirements.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
You have to type fast and sit like you've never
been less comfortable.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
But anyway, it looks like there's this new thing, pardon me,
there's this new thing called why can't I remember? Voice riding?
And it's almost like so there's there's a woman called
Cat on the record and she does this, I believe,
in courtrooms and it's almost like a coupler that she
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puts over her mouth.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
But a coupler.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Imagine if you will, like a more professional like, you know,
if you're on an airplane and the thing comes down
to breathe into the mass the mask. Yeah, but that
may be bad because now that's all you're going to imagine.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
But it goes over your mouth with the yellow part
and then the bag.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yes, the yellow part is the coupler. So it goes
over your mouth. We're not doing this because we can't breathe.
I'm just trying to get you into something you put
over your mouth, A coupler.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I didn't know that was called a coupler. Yeah, I
didn't either, A coupler.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Anyway, it goes over your mouth like this, and she
talks into it as as dictation while the judges talking.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh this is instead of typing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I think so that's a skill.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So while the judge is talking, or the defendant is talking,
or the witnesses talking, or the lawyers are talking, she's talking.
But I don't know if she's saying like every word
or if it's like it's it's it's it's hard to
I don't want to say it's hard to listen to.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
But you're talking in anything, you probably can't hear her.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Yeah, well that would be disrept isn't that why they
have a mask on so it muffles. The microphone picks
up what they're saying, but no one else can hear.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Right, but it's not a mask.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
A cup coupler, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well you're never you got to use the word you
know now. But yeah, so the the microphone is in
the coupler.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So she's talking maybe.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
At the same time she's listening.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, yes, but you can obviously talk faster than you get.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Oh, he's doing it, he's doing Oh but you're not
putting in putting a punctuation.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Situation now, yeah, I am. When I stop, it's a period.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I bet you have to speak the punctuation.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
The punctuation period.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
No no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
But you wouldn't be able to say a period because
period can be a word that comes up in regular conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
What do I say? That's me asking?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I bet you, I bet you. They have shorthand for that.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Oh p E r iod.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Well that's not.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Twice as long.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Q U E S T I O and mr question question.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
The the Internet says that voice writing has been around
since the nineteen forties. No way are you saying that
it's becoming more common to see in courtrooms though, Now.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
That's what this woman made it look like. I've never
seen it. The number of times I've been in a courtroom,
I've never seen that. Once you look over and think,
what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah? Does she need oxygen?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
We can use our phones like that would be my
first thought. The yeah, no, but it does. It looks
like she's on an oxygen machine. But it's more it
looks more like we're It's like you think of an
oxygen machine.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You think of like the guys.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
On the sidelines who are breathed like yeah, like the
fat lineman who just ran ninety yards. But it almost
looks like it's a It almost looks like it's almost
like one headphone.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
So how fast in terms of WPMS? Do you need
to speak to be a court voice writer?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
This woman is fast?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I don't know what the I don't know what the
job qualifications.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Are like, is this a certification you need to achieve?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I don't think the average person could do it. I don't.
I mean, you'd have to.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
There's probably a class you gotta go to. I mean, hell,
you got it to be a court stenographer. There's got
to be a class. Well, first, how fast does the
average person speak?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I speak fast? The average personality slower than me. Okay,
I don't know. I get this. This ends with you
being the perfect voice writing.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Diane's got the most experienced.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Diane talks to her phone all the time, not to somebody.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Hell yeah, talk to text. People usually speak at a
rate of about are you going to do it?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
For this?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
People speak of one hundred and twenty to one hundred
and fifty words permitted minute period.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Telling.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Actually, let me look up with voice writing?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, what's how do I say? Period?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Period?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
And then well, what does Diane say when you're going
to send a text to dot dot dot?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And then he and then he strangled her dot dot
dot line one, Hi Elliott in the morning.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
Good morning?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Is this me?
Speaker 8 (05:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Who's that?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Hi?
Speaker 7 (05:54):
This is Juliet. I'm a voice writer.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
No you're not.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Yeah I am. It's actually really in the DMV.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Wait are you do you do it in courtrooms?
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Yeah? I'm on my way to a deposition right now.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So hey, so how does it How does it work?
Speaker 7 (06:12):
So it does use stenography software, and it's a microphone,
and the microphone is modeled after old like pilot microphones,
where it's like, you know, it blocks out the external sounds.
So and you you whisper and you dictate, so no
one should be able to hear you, and uh yeah,
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you just dictate and then it does real time translation
on the computer like a stenographer, but.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You're talking while everybody else in like the judge talks,
and then the lawyer talks, and then the witness answers
and then but you're you're you're doing all of that.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Yes, and it uses shorthand, just like a stenographer. So
for a stenographer, when the judge talks, you depress all
of the keys. And then for a voice writer, I
would say corko, and then that creates the news speaker,
which is the court.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I'm sorry, you say what corko? Corko, corko, corko, corko.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
What do you elliot?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I would I want to hear what it sounds like,
like the level that she's talking about read something?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, what is she in terms of her speed?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
What do you have to be at if you're a
court writer, what's your words per minute?
Speaker 7 (07:27):
To certify for either voice or Steno, you need to
have a minimum of two hundred twenty words per minute.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Holy well, I don't even speak to twenty. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
If Diane reads something, can you can you do her? Uh?
Speaker 7 (07:43):
Yeah? I mean yeah, I don't. I couldn't do it
on the phone, though, But I mean, yeah, why.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Couldn't you do it on the phone? You're You're all
you're doing is is saying it? What are you gonna say?
Cork co say Diane Coe? Who brings up?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
She brings up a great point. When you're in the
courtrum setting, there are multiple parties, so you have to
be very good in your dictation.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Arla, hey girl, welcome to the better.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I'm sorry, yes, of.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Making sure that in this transcription, which I didn't know
if someone went back and typed up what you were saying,
or if it just happened automatically. No shorthand steena, which
does sounds like at some point I might cut out
the middleman, but you then have to keep identifying who's saying.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Oh you must hate like if a lawyer is getting
into it with a with somebody else, and then the
judge jumps in.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Back and forth, and then you're like cork co lawyer
co Diane co.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Like you're all You're like, oh, that's a pain of
Do you ever stop and go?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Excuse me? I can't keep up?
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Yeah, sometimes I have to. I mean you're not supposed to,
but sometimes you have to.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Oh I was kidding. Oh, I bet the judge gets hot.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
No, they're usually on your side because they want to
make sure the record is clear because the record is
so important because you might have to go back to.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
It instead.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
The game. But here's here's what I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You said that that you can't do Diane, but what.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You if you don't see me in person versus the phone.
It's kind of the same thing. And that was your
leading toward, right.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, I just don't why Why wouldn't you be able
to do Diane on the phone, Like are you not
comfortable unless you have your your coupler?
Speaker 7 (09:32):
No, I could do it. I just I don't know.
I don't know if you could hear me whispery, I
mean I could do it well.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Whisper Elliott when he tried to do it well, whisper loud.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Enough that I can hear you.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
What is it like, say, say Elliott in the morning,
the way you would first steno, go ahead, Elliott, the
more okay, I can hear that clear as day.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, clear as day. He doesn't have a coupler.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
The that's okay.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
That's her shortcut for period.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Oh, how do you say period?
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Here?
Speaker 9 (09:58):
P e r k.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Like Neil peart peerk o peer Okay.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
If it's the end of the sentence, you don't really
have to do it because, like if someone's doing a
question and answer back and forth, I say key can cack.
So if somebody finishes a sentence and then it goes
into the next question, I just say keith. I don't
have to say a period because the.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Two members of that band the keek and cack.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
What is keek? Question? Period?
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Yeah? Yeah, question mark?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Question mark kek kek? Hey want to go to the store?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Kirk k? What am I saying? Mark? How do you learn?
How do you learn those words?
Speaker 7 (10:45):
I mean you can theoretically do whatever you want, like
for a while. So you you want to avoid conflicts, right,
you don't want to say a word that might be spoken.
So when I do a parenthetical, for like when an
exhibit is introduced, remarks, I say charmanders because I know
no one's ever gonna say charmander on the record. So
when I say that, it produces the blurb for the
exhibit is marked on the record.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, but don't whoever's gonna go back.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So let's say I appeal the case and I gotta
go back, and they're gonna go like, oh, charmander.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Isn't somebody gonna go.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
On the transcription?
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Now that's just her populates.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It's generating it for her with that shortcut.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
What you design your own shortcuts?
Speaker 7 (11:28):
Yeah, yeah, you can pull whatever you want in your dictionary.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So if I you you say charter Armander, Charmander, I
could say bagoon and that would be my that would
be my parentheses.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yes there, Coupler's not up to your mouth. And we
keep hearing the stenographers bagoon.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And then they showed the pictures of the room bagoon,
bloody walls, bagoon.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Kirk kirk pier kirk peer, kirk peer, kert peer.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
What kind of course does she say to?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Where do I learn this? Kerk?
Speaker 7 (12:04):
I took a class called Real Time Voice Academy. I
actually did go to steto school, but it's so hard
to certify in that, and I was pretty good at voice,
so I just stuck with that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But but you have a pretty voice. You have a
pretty voice.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
My gosh, thank you?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yeah the so does the computer tell you Thatmander?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Wait? Are you still there? Hello?
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh your coupler cut out?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Okay, Diane, uh huh, find something to read and Charmander?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Are you ready to are you ready to voice rite? Diane? Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I wish you were Frenshaw v. The Outback.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I know, I wish you were.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
A little more excited about it. I feel like you're
kind of like not into it.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Nobody ever hears me. It's like people don't even know
that court reporters there. Usually you're just kind of like
hit in.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
A couple of times that I've been in a courtroom,
I like not on trial, but like having to like
testify and stuff, I always look over at the court reporter,
Hey do you have to you know how Sometimes they'll
go approach well, you probably say it approach the do
you do you bring your because a lot of times
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the court reporter.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Has to go up or theography machinery.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, and you have to go up when the when
the when the judge is just talking to council, do
you have to.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Go up with your coupler?
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Yeah? Yeah for a sidebar.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That sucks.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
All right, here we go, Here we go, and we're
gonna start when that whenever Diane starts reading, you do
your thing.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
What speed is I think conn be reading at normal?
Oh so this is gonna be easy peasy right, yeah ready.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Actor shil Lah buff was sentenced to probation Wednesday after
pleading guilty to punching three people outside of New Orleans
bar during Mardi Krossard.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I heard her, not star wars jar jar.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Oh that was good. That was good.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
You heard me?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yes, but do it right into the phone.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
I am used to do it. Well, I don't know.
You dictate quietly, so I'm not like.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
The last thing I want to do is like throw
her off her game for work. She is on the
way to a deposition.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Hey, do you have a big case today?
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I have no idea? Probably not.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Oh, so you just get what you get. You have
no like whatever it is, that's what your voice recording. Yeah,
oh you know what, you know what's weird? I've had
to give depositions before. I don't remember there being is
this Is this like in a courtroom deposition or is
this just like at a lawyer's office.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
It's that a lawyer and the court reporter has to
swear you in. So I think there has to be
a court reporter at a deposition.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
But I don't remember there being a court reporter during
the deposition.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
See you, we're We're not memorable, but we're.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I think you are. I love you? And how do
you say I love you in in court reporter?
Speaker 7 (15:22):
I don't really have uh shorthand. Like for voice writing,
the shorthand's pretty easy. You're just kind of saying whatever
the word is. The shorthand is more so used for
like blurbs and speaker ideas and changes and stuff like that.
And then for steno it's a little.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Over.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I just cut out a lot of the vowels.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
All right, very good, very good, Thank you, ma'am, Thank you,
have fun at.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Work, Thank you, goodbye, P E R I O D.
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
So the person you meant that you clearly saw on
Instagram Kat Kat on the record, there is a two
hundred and twenty five word permitted example on her Instagram. Okay,
so if I play this, I think we're gonna hear
the audio source, not her, as the caller tried to explain,
because she's got the coupler on her face right practicing.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I guess yes, So just so we get a.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Sense of, like what the minimum she said to certify,
you have to be able to accurately like with what
is it?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Ninety nine ninety percent? Sure, well, I'm asking if you
know this. No, I know more about it than I did.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, I also didn't take the class.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
All right, So let's see what we got here.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Let's see here.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Prior connections with narcotics.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Did you yourself observe mister Santos to approach room? Now?
Now you were told that by someone else?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Correct? Who was that Detective Pipes was in the room
of observation at the time that he saw that Detective
Phillips was in the parking.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Lot area and saw mister Santos arrive and leave? Did
you yourself?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I don't like when it sw I don't like when
it switches back and forth. Yeah, I know, but I
don't kirk like I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't even remember what period was kirk blurk or whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It was, and that's.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
You know, people faster talk fast, and I'm nervous. I know, well,
at this point you've probably confessed to lock me out
or as the voice writer.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The Also, do you think if you look over at
the voice writer and like you're getting into some steamy testimony,
not not like dirty, but like heavy testimony.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Do you think the court report.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Like like the voice writer does, like their eyes start
getting big, like, oh my god, looks at.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
What I'm saying. I like this, h I g h GHD.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
You're like you're six sentences behind us if you're spelling
out like.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I wonder if that Chinese food memory guy.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Tomb chicken cum pound beef cum pal here's to eighty.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Oh no way, let's just see at one point she's
testing three hundred words permitted for any store.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
At the time of the shooting, Yes, I saw it.
You saw the actual shooting, okur. Yes, it was pretty
scary to say the least.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
When was the first time you saw the victim of
the shooting. He was coming out of the men's room.
What made you notice him?
Speaker 9 (18:32):
He was laughing at acting pretty foolish, and he was
putting what looked like a magic marker into his pocket,
and you proceed to act in such a way.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
That he kept doing.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, it was up with the weird voice.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Okay, that's at the first one was more lifelike. It's
the speed that they're obviously trying to keep a cute
practice a spelling bee kid.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Very fast. Also derk, Wow, that was hard. Yes, I
mean two twenty five was also very difficult.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, that's very fast. I saw him put a marker
into his pants.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Why are you talking like that?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's just normal talking in the courtroom. That's how we taught.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
That's like when you started talking, Oh, I'm illegal.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Hi Elliott.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Even the court reporter would be like, I can't, I
can't hi Elliot.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
In the morning, Hey, good morning.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Is this me?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Who's this?
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Hi? My name Levi, Levi?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yes, what can I do for you? Levi?
Speaker 6 (19:33):
So I used to teach closed mass dictation for the military,
and I've been practicing it for a long time and
I can answer any question. Do you have a better more?
Before it? Did a really great job explaining it, but
I wasn't sure. If there's anything else you want to know, she.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Says, Thank you, thank you, the loud loud the wait,
So you taught and what did you call it? Closed
mouth or closed mouth recording?
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Closed mass dictation, close.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Mass dictation, dictation and the and who would you like,
who would you teach that to? Like, Oh, I guess
for like like like like what do they call that
like jag and stuff like that. I don't know what
it's all called.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
In the military.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Yeah, so I was in the Marine Corps and I
worked for the Marine Corps Legal Community, and I would
teach inlisted Marines how to do court reporting for our
court martial cases, our trials.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Oh my god, Now did you did you only do
it in the military or like are you maybe you're
still active?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Are you retired?
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Not retired?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
But I'm now a civilian working for the Navy.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Do you ever get asked to like show up at
I mean, I don't know how many voice what are
they called voice writers there are?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Do?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Are you on a standby list? Is like a sub No?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
So the technology has progressed a lot in the last
couple of years. We've actually moved towards using AI ll
ms to automatically transcribe rather than using voice writers. I
don't know if you know very many marines. But voice
writing is a very difficult skill, right, and it's a
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perishable skill. So if you don't use it all the time,
you kind of lose your ability to.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
That makes sense, Ye mean, yeah, that makes sense. You
get it rusty, right, Yeah, No, you gotta be you
gotta you gotta go.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Hey, So can I can I ask you this? And
maybe you did just kind of answer it? And I
don't want anybody to lose their job, right, I don't want.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't want. I don't want people to lose their
job at all.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
But if it is you doing the voices of everybody,
why couldn't the court or why why couldn't there be
a system where everybody gets miked and it just like
the judges mike, they got a lava leer, the lawyers,
a witness gets lava leered when they go on like
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whoever it is, why couldn't they just be miked and
it just picks up what they're saying.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Yeah, that's a great question. So that's exactly the system
that I am currently trying to implement.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Right now.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Everybody gets their own individual microphone and a speech engine
translates everyone individually and then merges it all together real
time critically right now.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That being said, I don't want that to be the case.
I don't want people to lose their jobs.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
No, And so there's two things there. One, the AI
movement is very slow in this profession. There's a lot
of resistance to it and for great reason, and that
reason being you will always need a human being in
that courtroom to keep track of what's going on. The
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AI is not perfect right by any means. It's decent,
but it is not like you just hit record ever
happens and you hit print and you're dot. There's still
a lot of editing and proof reading, and they're like
the caller before said, there's a lot of things that
happen in a courtroom that are nonverbal. You know, the
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cues did is directed? The trial council handed the exhibit
to the military.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I see what you're saying, and you have to describe
all of that direct gotcha? Gotcha? Oh, so you're right, A,
I can't do that. A I can't do that. Well,
let's hope not.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
No, it currently can't. We have to use you know,
we have keyboard shortcuts and and we used we can
use some of the same software that voice writers use.
There's there's a couple of really big ones. I'm very
familiar with one that's called Eclipse uh and it's basically
a really juiced up version of Microsoft Word that has
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a bunch of keyboard macros so you can quickly hit
like one key or or a key keyboard combination to
insert whole sentences or even paragraph.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Right of stuff that you know is gonna like do
you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
That's exactly f one.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, Like I get that. Yeah, whatever that makes. That
makes total sense to me. Oh dude, that's awesome. That's awesome.
I appreciate it. Thank you, my friend, Thank you. Isn't
that cool?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Learning quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
But again, as we discovered, this has been around for
eighty years.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I mean, it's been around as long as crime.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Just never have seen it even on like TV shows, do.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You know, I never have on a TV show. Like,
I've never seen on a TV show. I just watched
the Crash. It's not in there.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
No, but there's a lot of courtroom scenes in that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, I mean you realize she killed somebody two people.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh it's good spoiler. By the way, you know who's
a court reporter? Eileen? I Leen?
Speaker 9 (25:04):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I Leen our friend from New York.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Are you a reporter or writer?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Are you? What do you do?
Speaker 9 (25:11):
I'm an official court reporter in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Dude, that's how did we not know that.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
I mentioned it? I think probably the initial call? Oh,
maybe the second call. I remember what was it that
Diane said. I'm trying to remember what she said.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh, God only knows.
Speaker 9 (25:33):
I forget what it was. I forget. I'm old. My
memory is bad.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That's what I want for my court reporter. So wait,
are you are you a voice writer or a steno?
Speaker 9 (25:46):
No? No, no, stenographer?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Are you really?
Speaker 9 (25:50):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
That is awesome. I had no idea. Hey, we're like
what We're like?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
What borrow? Are you in for your or did they
just send you all over?
Speaker 6 (26:02):
No?
Speaker 9 (26:03):
I'm officially in Manhattan Family Court.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I was gonna say, that's cool, But I bet you
hear some stuff that you wish you didn't have to type. Yes, yeah,
like that would be the hard part, but you got
to block it out.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You're just doing your job.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Typing stuff fast. Maybe you don't even realize no, well
that you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, what's your WP?
Speaker 9 (26:25):
Oh two hundred and twenty five was a minute?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Oh that's not good. That's not good. What the oh, Unsteno,
that's fast.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I talk quicker than that, though you don't the I
talk quicker than to twenty five.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I have a test.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I talk. I talk much quicker than two twenty five.
Lookt me go, look at me go. I'm talking faster
than two twenty five.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And you starting to like box? How does he get
involved in it?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah? How did you? How did you stumble into this? Eileen?
Speaker 9 (26:50):
So, oh my god. Many years ago, when I graduated
from high school, I went away to college for a
fashion design because I used to go here to school
for fascinating design. And while I was away in school,
I'm like, this is not for me. So when I
came back in the subway, there was an ad and
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it said Stene School. Whatever I went, I did a
trial run. I liked it, and I did it so
then it came into the court system as a lost Steno,
but they didn't utilize my skills for that. Then I
got comfortable. I did like administrative work. And then just
maybe five years ago, I went back to courte reporting
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school because of course I had lost all my skills
and the writing changed. Now went to real time writing
where before it was in real time. And here I
am now three years officially as a court reporter. Again.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
By the way, two things come out of this right.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Number one, I didn't know that there was a school
for that where you go and you get certified, which
is great. And then go back to the go back
to the military guy where he's like, there's always going
to be someone in a courtroom in a a in
a time where people are getting replaced and losing jobs.
That's a job. That's a job that's good. And I've
seen pictures of the inside of your apartment. Looks like
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it's a good job.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
Actually, I mean it is a good job. But I
mean when you freelance, you can make a lot of money,
but it's it's you have to work really hard, like
if you want to take vacation, because you don't get
vacation when you freelance as an official core report in
the courtroom, you get all those benefits, right, And.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Listen, all jobs are hard. Nothing's harder than being a
disc Jockeyleen. You know that, all right, very good.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I appreciate it, Thank you baby.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
Oh and I do remember wait, I do remember now
how it came about initially, because it was when you
wanted me to do the Empire State Building these oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Up on the beam or whatever it.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Was, right right the beam, and you have said you'll
never go on on heights, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
I'm not afraid of heights. And then initially when you
said I think you had asked me what did I
do last night? And I was like, I was working,
and then you asked me what do I do for work?
And I said, I'm a court report. And then that's
when Diane said, oh, if she could do that, she's
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not clearly she's not afraid of heights or something like that.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, Dania don't know which is. That's how that came
all right, very good.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I love you guys, all right, I love you too,
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Here.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
So I have found an online test to see how
fast words permitted you speak. The microphone will show us
in real time and then give us a score afterwards.
Because you are right, you were already trying to reach
for your papers. We need to find something you've never
read before. So I pulled up the company's code.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's one of my papers, the.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Company's Code of Conduct. It'll be on the screen behind you.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Hear me.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yes, okay, I said, we'll pull your microphone a little bit. Well,
if I'm facing this way now, but can't you pull
it a little bit. There's an arm all right? All right,
you're ready.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
I'm gonna flash it up here and then we're gonna
start measuring you. And then Diane, we'll pull up as
something else you haven't read, and we'll.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
See who's faster.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Okay, because you claim to Eileen that you talk very fast, yes,
and efficiently.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
All right, so let me hit start here.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
The sun rises in the everyday birds in the blue sky.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Aboves.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yes, that's in the iHeart Code of Conduct.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I don't know. I'm just reading I like I would know.
I've never read it before.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Okay, you ready, yep.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Go.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
We are dedicated to providing an honest, open, and ethical
work environment for our colleagues, and we also want to
extend those values to our interactions and communications with our audiences, viewers, customers,
and various business partners. At our company, we all work
together to create and execute that shared vision.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Stop so you spoke at two twenty two.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's freaking awesome.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
It labeled you an expert order, thank you God, thank
you to be, and it says this right below her
or not to be? How do you compare radio disc
jockeys listed right here? One, one sixty.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Oh, I crush them.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I crush them.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
So, Diane, are you ready here?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You want me to do tamo? I am a robot.
I recorded everything.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Can you make the font bigger?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Oh? Put your readers on now, your readers.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Are up close. Tell me how big you need it.
That's good, all right, hold on, Let's find a section
that would.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Get to the part where Diane's paying people off at
the dock.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
This is reporting concerns. You want to do this one? Okay, okay,
hold on, I gotta get.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
A reset for Diane here.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
You keep in mind you it's easy to remember to two.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I can't talk while she's going, I'm not. Do you
have your coupler?
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Diane?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
All members of the company team have a responsibility to
report violations of this code are policies or applicable laws,
and to cooperate in any investigations into such violations, subject
to any applicable laws. The company will treat the information
reported in a confidential manner and will ensure that no
acts of retaliation or retribution will be taken against anyone
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for making a good faith report of suspected misconduct.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I didn't see.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
The number yet, but I I read as though I
was talking. Diane was like trying to speed read, like
Diane was a port fried reis rimp fried rerice aguon toan.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
If anyone was speed reading, it was you.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh to eight.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I was trying to enunciate to be understandable.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Everybody understood, and here's all they gotta know who's.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Back this doesn't you know what?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah, that's no.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Then now to eight.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
In order to be in order for it to be
you eight, speed up.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
You gotta let christ whoa I'm dying.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Here's the dirt. Oh my god. People must sit in
the car be like say it already.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I was trying to enunciate, you're uncursed. It's like the Knicks.
Thank you, Dad Housen, Wow, dank you house.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
You slow
I don't know the last time that I was in
the courtroom during a like a trial taking place, like
as a juror or as a defendant or as a prosecutor.
Maybe I was brought in as a professional witness. But anyway,
is anybody familiar.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
With wait, what is it called? Hold on? Hold on?
Voice writing? Voice writing?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
So you're not how there's like a court stenographer who
types and makes everything, like is keeping track of everything
that's said? And it's not like you or I typing
on a keyboard, Like.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Isn't a lot of it? Like short? I mean they
are fast as hell.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, well it's not a regular keyboard.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, it's like shorthand or whatever. Okay, Diane, I don't
know what they're doing there.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Performative and it is.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, well there are two requirements.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
You have to type fast and sit like you've never
been less comfortable.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
But anyway, it looks like there's this new thing, pardon me,
there's this new thing called why can't I remember? Voice riding?
And it's almost like so there's there's a woman called
Cat on the record and she does this, I believe,
in courtrooms and it's almost like a coupler that she
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puts over her mouth.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
But a coupler.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Imagine if you will, like a more professional like, you know,
if you're on an airplane and the thing comes down
to breathe into the mass the mask. Yeah, but that
may be bad because now that's all you're going to imagine.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
But it goes over your mouth with the yellow part
and then the bag.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yes, the yellow part is the coupler. So it goes
over your mouth. We're not doing this because we can't breathe.
I'm just trying to get you into something you put
over your mouth, A coupler.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I didn't know that was called a coupler. Yeah, I
didn't either, A coupler.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Anyway, it goes over your mouth like this, and she
talks into it as as dictation while the judges talking.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh this is instead of typing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I think so that's a skill.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
So while the judge is talking, or the defendant is talking,
or the witnesses talking, or the lawyers are talking, she's talking.
But I don't know if she's saying like every word
or if it's like it's it's it's it's hard to
I don't want to say it's hard to listen to.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
But you're talking in anything, you probably can't hear her.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Yeah, well that would be disrept isn't that why they
have a mask on so it muffles. The microphone picks
up what they're saying, but no one else can hear.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Right, but it's not a mask.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
A cup coupler, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well you're never you got to use the word you
know now. But yeah, so the the microphone is in
the coupler.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So she's talking maybe.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
At the same time she's listening.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, yes, but you can obviously talk faster than you get.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Oh, he's doing it, he's doing Oh but you're not
putting in putting a punctuation.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Situation now, yeah, I am. When I stop, it's a period.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I bet you have to speak the punctuation.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
The punctuation period.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
No no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
But you wouldn't be able to say a period because
period can be a word that comes up in regular conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
What do I say? That's me asking?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I bet you, I bet you. They have shorthand for that.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Oh p E r iod.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Well that's not.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Twice as long.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Q U E S T I O and mr question question.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
The the Internet says that voice writing has been around
since the nineteen forties. No way are you saying that
it's becoming more common to see in courtrooms though, Now.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
That's what this woman made it look like. I've never
seen it. The number of times I've been in a courtroom,
I've never seen that. Once you look over and think,
what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah? Does she need oxygen?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
We can use our phones like that would be my
first thought. The yeah, no, but it does. It looks
like she's on an oxygen machine. But it's more it
looks more like we're It's like you think of an
oxygen machine.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You think of like the guys.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
On the sidelines who are breathed like yeah, like the
fat lineman who just ran ninety yards. But it almost
looks like it's a It almost looks like it's almost
like one headphone.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
So how fast in terms of WPMS? Do you need
to speak to be a court voice writer?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
This woman is fast?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I don't know what the I don't know what the
job qualifications.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Are like, is this a certification you need to achieve?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I don't think the average person could do it. I don't.
I mean, you'd have to.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
There's probably a class you gotta go to. I mean, hell,
you got it to be a court stenographer. There's got
to be a class. Well, first, how fast does the
average person speak?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I speak fast? The average personality slower than me. Okay,
I don't know. I get this. This ends with you
being the perfect voice writing.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Diane's got the most experienced.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Diane talks to her phone all the time, not to somebody.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Hell yeah, talk to text. People usually speak at a
rate of about are you going to do it?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
For this?
Speaker 5 (05:15):
People speak of one hundred and twenty to one hundred
and fifty words permitted minute period.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Telling.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Actually, let me look up with voice writing?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, what's how do I say? Period?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Period?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
And then well, what does Diane say when you're going
to send a text to dot dot dot?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And then he and then he strangled her dot dot
dot line one, Hi Elliott in the morning.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
Good morning?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Is this me?
Speaker 8 (05:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Who's that?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Hi?
Speaker 7 (05:54):
This is Juliet. I'm a voice writer.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
No you're not.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Yeah I am. It's actually really in the DMV.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Wait are you do you do it in courtrooms?
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Yeah? I'm on my way to a deposition right now.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So hey, so how does it How does it work?
Speaker 7 (06:12):
So it does use stenography software, and it's a microphone,
and the microphone is modeled after old like pilot microphones,
where it's like, you know, it blocks out the external sounds.
So and you you whisper and you dictate, so no
one should be able to hear you, and uh yeah,
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you just dictate and then it does real time translation
on the computer like a stenographer, but.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You're talking while everybody else in like the judge talks,
and then the lawyer talks, and then the witness answers
and then but you're you're you're doing all of that.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
Yes, and it uses shorthand, just like a stenographer. So
for a stenographer, when the judge talks, you depress all
of the keys. And then for a voice writer, I
would say corko, and then that creates the news speaker,
which is the court.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I'm sorry, you say what corko? Corko, corko, corko, corko.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
What do you elliot?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I would I want to hear what it sounds like,
like the level that she's talking about read something?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, what is she in terms of her speed?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
What do you have to be at if you're a
court writer, what's your words per minute?
Speaker 7 (07:27):
To certify for either voice or Steno, you need to
have a minimum of two hundred twenty words per minute.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Holy well, I don't even speak to twenty. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
If Diane reads something, can you can you do her? Uh?
Speaker 7 (07:43):
Yeah? I mean yeah, I don't. I couldn't do it
on the phone, though, But I mean, yeah, why.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Couldn't you do it on the phone? You're You're all
you're doing is is saying it? What are you gonna say?
Cork co say Diane Coe? Who brings up?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
She brings up a great point. When you're in the
courtrum setting, there are multiple parties, so you have to
be very good in your dictation.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Arla, hey girl, welcome to the better.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I'm sorry, yes, of.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Making sure that in this transcription, which I didn't know
if someone went back and typed up what you were saying,
or if it just happened automatically. No shorthand steena, which
does sounds like at some point I might cut out
the middleman, but you then have to keep identifying who's saying.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Oh you must hate like if a lawyer is getting
into it with a with somebody else, and then the
judge jumps in.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Back and forth, and then you're like cork co lawyer
co Diane co.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Like you're all You're like, oh, that's a pain of
Do you ever stop and go?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Excuse me? I can't keep up?
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Yeah, sometimes I have to. I mean you're not supposed to,
but sometimes you have to.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Oh I was kidding. Oh, I bet the judge gets hot.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
No, they're usually on your side because they want to
make sure the record is clear because the record is
so important because you might have to go back to.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
It instead.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
The game. But here's here's what I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
You said that that you can't do Diane, but what.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You if you don't see me in person versus the phone.
It's kind of the same thing. And that was your
leading toward, right.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, I just don't why Why wouldn't you be able
to do Diane on the phone, Like are you not
comfortable unless you have your your coupler?
Speaker 7 (09:32):
No, I could do it. I just I don't know.
I don't know if you could hear me whispery, I
mean I could do it well.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Whisper Elliott when he tried to do it well, whisper loud.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Enough that I can hear you.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
What is it like, say, say Elliott in the morning,
the way you would first steno, go ahead, Elliott, the
more okay, I can hear that clear as day.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, clear as day. He doesn't have a coupler.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
The that's okay.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
That's her shortcut for period.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Oh, how do you say period?
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Here?
Speaker 9 (09:58):
P e r k.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Like Neil peart peerk o peer Okay.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
If it's the end of the sentence, you don't really
have to do it because, like if someone's doing a
question and answer back and forth, I say key can cack.
So if somebody finishes a sentence and then it goes
into the next question, I just say keith. I don't
have to say a period because the.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Two members of that band the keek and cack.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
What is keek? Question? Period?
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Yeah? Yeah, question mark?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Question mark kek kek? Hey want to go to the store?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Kirk k? What am I saying? Mark? How do you learn?
How do you learn those words?
Speaker 7 (10:45):
I mean you can theoretically do whatever you want, like
for a while. So you you want to avoid conflicts, right,
you don't want to say a word that might be spoken.
So when I do a parenthetical, for like when an
exhibit is introduced, remarks, I say charmanders because I know
no one's ever gonna say charmander on the record. So
when I say that, it produces the blurb for the
exhibit is marked on the record.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, but don't whoever's gonna go back.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So let's say I appeal the case and I gotta
go back, and they're gonna go like, oh, charmander.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Isn't somebody gonna go.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
On the transcription?
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Now that's just her populates.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It's generating it for her with that shortcut.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
What you design your own shortcuts?
Speaker 7 (11:28):
Yeah, yeah, you can pull whatever you want in your dictionary.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So if I you you say charter Armander, Charmander, I
could say bagoon and that would be my that would
be my parentheses.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yes there, Coupler's not up to your mouth. And we
keep hearing the stenographers bagoon.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And then they showed the pictures of the room bagoon,
bloody walls, bagoon.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Kirk kirk pier kirk peer, kirk peer, kert peer.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
What kind of course does she say to?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Where do I learn this? Kerk?
Speaker 7 (12:04):
I took a class called Real Time Voice Academy. I
actually did go to steto school, but it's so hard
to certify in that, and I was pretty good at voice,
so I just stuck with that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But but you have a pretty voice. You have a
pretty voice.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
My gosh, thank you?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yeah the so does the computer tell you Thatmander?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Wait? Are you still there? Hello?
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh your coupler cut out?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Okay, Diane, uh huh, find something to read and Charmander?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Are you ready to are you ready to voice rite? Diane? Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I wish you were Frenshaw v. The Outback.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I know, I wish you were.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
A little more excited about it. I feel like you're
kind of like not into it.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Nobody ever hears me. It's like people don't even know
that court reporters there. Usually you're just kind of like
hit in.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
A couple of times that I've been in a courtroom,
I like not on trial, but like having to like
testify and stuff, I always look over at the court reporter,
Hey do you have to you know how Sometimes they'll
go approach well, you probably say it approach the do
you do you bring your because a lot of times
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the court reporter.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Has to go up or theography machinery.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, and you have to go up when the when
the when the judge is just talking to council, do
you have to.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Go up with your coupler?
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Yeah? Yeah for a sidebar.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That sucks.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
All right, here we go, Here we go, and we're
gonna start when that whenever Diane starts reading, you do
your thing.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
What speed is I think conn be reading at normal?
Oh so this is gonna be easy peasy right, yeah ready.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Actor shil Lah buff was sentenced to probation Wednesday after
pleading guilty to punching three people outside of New Orleans
bar during Mardi Krossard.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I heard her, not star wars jar jar.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Oh that was good. That was good.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
You heard me?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yes, but do it right into the phone.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
I am used to do it. Well, I don't know.
You dictate quietly, so I'm not like.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
The last thing I want to do is like throw
her off her game for work. She is on the
way to a deposition.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Hey, do you have a big case today?
Speaker 7 (14:38):
I have no idea? Probably not.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Oh, so you just get what you get. You have
no like whatever it is, that's what your voice recording. Yeah,
oh you know what, you know what's weird? I've had
to give depositions before. I don't remember there being is
this Is this like in a courtroom deposition or is
this just like at a lawyer's office.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
It's that a lawyer and the court reporter has to
swear you in. So I think there has to be
a court reporter at a deposition.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
But I don't remember there being a court reporter during
the deposition.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
See you, we're We're not memorable, but we're.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I think you are. I love you? And how do
you say I love you in in court reporter?
Speaker 7 (15:22):
I don't really have uh shorthand. Like for voice writing,
the shorthand's pretty easy. You're just kind of saying whatever
the word is. The shorthand is more so used for
like blurbs and speaker ideas and changes and stuff like that.
And then for steno it's a little.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Over.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I just cut out a lot of the vowels.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
All right, very good, very good, Thank you, ma'am, Thank you,
have fun at.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Work, Thank you, goodbye, P E R I O D.
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
So the person you meant that you clearly saw on
Instagram Kat Kat on the record, there is a two
hundred and twenty five word permitted example on her Instagram. Okay,
so if I play this, I think we're gonna hear
the audio source, not her, as the caller tried to explain,
because she's got the coupler on her face right practicing.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I guess yes, So just so we get a.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Sense of, like what the minimum she said to certify,
you have to be able to accurately like with what
is it?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Ninety nine ninety percent? Sure, well, I'm asking if you
know this. No, I know more about it than I did.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, I also didn't take the class.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
All right, So let's see what we got here.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Let's see here.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Prior connections with narcotics.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Did you yourself observe mister Santos to approach room? Now?
Now you were told that by someone else?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Correct? Who was that Detective Pipes was in the room
of observation at the time that he saw that Detective
Phillips was in the parking.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Lot area and saw mister Santos arrive and leave? Did
you yourself?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I don't like when it sw I don't like when
it switches back and forth. Yeah, I know, but I
don't kirk like I don't.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't even remember what period was kirk blurk or whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It was, and that's.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
You know, people faster talk fast, and I'm nervous. I know, well,
at this point you've probably confessed to lock me out
or as the voice writer.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The Also, do you think if you look over at
the voice writer and like you're getting into some steamy testimony,
not not like dirty, but like heavy testimony.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Do you think the court report.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Like like the voice writer does, like their eyes start
getting big, like, oh my god, looks at.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
What I'm saying. I like this, h I g h GHD.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
You're like you're six sentences behind us if you're spelling
out like.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I wonder if that Chinese food memory guy.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Tomb chicken cum pound beef cum pal here's to eighty.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Oh no way, let's just see at one point she's
testing three hundred words permitted for any store.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
At the time of the shooting, Yes, I saw it.
You saw the actual shooting, okur. Yes, it was pretty
scary to say the least.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
When was the first time you saw the victim of
the shooting. He was coming out of the men's room.
What made you notice him?
Speaker 9 (18:32):
He was laughing at acting pretty foolish, and he was
putting what looked like a magic marker into his pocket,
and you proceed to act in such a way.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
That he kept doing.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, it was up with the weird voice.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Okay, that's at the first one was more lifelike. It's
the speed that they're obviously trying to keep a cute
practice a spelling bee kid.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Very fast. Also derk, Wow, that was hard. Yes, I
mean two twenty five was also very difficult.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, that's very fast. I saw him put a marker
into his pants.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Why are you talking like that?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's just normal talking in the courtroom. That's how we taught.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
That's like when you started talking, Oh, I'm illegal.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Hi Elliott.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Even the court reporter would be like, I can't, I
can't hi Elliot.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
In the morning, Hey, good morning.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
Is this me?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Hi?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Who's this?
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Hi? My name Levi, Levi?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yes, what can I do for you? Levi?
Speaker 6 (19:33):
So I used to teach closed mass dictation for the military,
and I've been practicing it for a long time and
I can answer any question. Do you have a better more?
Before it? Did a really great job explaining it, but
I wasn't sure. If there's anything else you want to know, she.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Says, Thank you, thank you, the loud loud the wait,
So you taught and what did you call it? Closed
mouth or closed mouth recording?
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Closed mass dictation, close.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Mass dictation, dictation and the and who would you like,
who would you teach that to? Like, Oh, I guess
for like like like like what do they call that
like jag and stuff like that. I don't know what
it's all called.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
In the military.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Yeah, so I was in the Marine Corps and I
worked for the Marine Corps Legal Community, and I would
teach inlisted Marines how to do court reporting for our
court martial cases, our trials.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Oh my god, Now did you did you only do
it in the military or like are you maybe you're
still active?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Are you retired?
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Not retired?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
But I'm now a civilian working for the Navy.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Do you ever get asked to like show up at
I mean, I don't know how many voice what are
they called voice writers there are?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Do?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Are you on a standby list? Is like a sub No?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
So the technology has progressed a lot in the last
couple of years. We've actually moved towards using AI ll
ms to automatically transcribe rather than using voice writers. I
don't know if you know very many marines. But voice
writing is a very difficult skill, right, and it's a
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perishable skill. So if you don't use it all the time,
you kind of lose your ability to.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
That makes sense, Ye mean, yeah, that makes sense. You
get it rusty, right, Yeah, No, you gotta be you
gotta you gotta go.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Hey, So can I can I ask you this? And
maybe you did just kind of answer it? And I
don't want anybody to lose their job, right, I don't want.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't want. I don't want people to lose their
job at all.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
But if it is you doing the voices of everybody,
why couldn't the court or why why couldn't there be
a system where everybody gets miked and it just like
the judges mike, they got a lava leer, the lawyers,
a witness gets lava leered when they go on like
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whoever it is, why couldn't they just be miked and
it just picks up what they're saying.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Yeah, that's a great question. So that's exactly the system
that I am currently trying to implement.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Right now.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Everybody gets their own individual microphone and a speech engine
translates everyone individually and then merges it all together real
time critically right now.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That being said, I don't want that to be the case.
I don't want people to lose their jobs.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
No, And so there's two things there. One, the AI
movement is very slow in this profession. There's a lot
of resistance to it and for great reason, and that
reason being you will always need a human being in
that courtroom to keep track of what's going on. The
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AI is not perfect right by any means. It's decent,
but it is not like you just hit record ever
happens and you hit print and you're dot. There's still
a lot of editing and proof reading, and they're like
the caller before said, there's a lot of things that
happen in a courtroom that are nonverbal. You know, the
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cues did is directed? The trial council handed the exhibit
to the military.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I see what you're saying, and you have to describe
all of that direct gotcha? Gotcha? Oh, so you're right, A,
I can't do that. A I can't do that. Well,
let's hope not.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
No, it currently can't. We have to use you know,
we have keyboard shortcuts and and we used we can
use some of the same software that voice writers use.
There's there's a couple of really big ones. I'm very
familiar with one that's called Eclipse uh and it's basically
a really juiced up version of Microsoft Word that has
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a bunch of keyboard macros so you can quickly hit
like one key or or a key keyboard combination to
insert whole sentences or even paragraph.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Right of stuff that you know is gonna like do
you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
That's exactly f one.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, Like I get that. Yeah, whatever that makes. That
makes total sense to me. Oh dude, that's awesome. That's awesome.
I appreciate it. Thank you, my friend, Thank you. Isn't
that cool?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Learning quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
But again, as we discovered, this has been around for
eighty years.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I mean, it's been around as long as crime.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Just never have seen it even on like TV shows, do.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You know, I never have on a TV show. Like,
I've never seen on a TV show. I just watched
the Crash. It's not in there.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
No, but there's a lot of courtroom scenes in that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, I mean you realize she killed somebody two people.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Oh it's good spoiler. By the way, you know who's
a court reporter? Eileen? I Leen?
Speaker 9 (25:04):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I Leen our friend from New York.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Are you a reporter or writer?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Are you? What do you do?
Speaker 9 (25:11):
I'm an official court reporter in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Dude, that's how did we not know that.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
I mentioned it? I think probably the initial call? Oh,
maybe the second call. I remember what was it that
Diane said. I'm trying to remember what she said.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh, God only knows.
Speaker 9 (25:33):
I forget what it was. I forget. I'm old. My
memory is bad.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That's what I want for my court reporter. So wait,
are you are you a voice writer or a steno?
Speaker 9 (25:46):
No? No, no, stenographer?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Are you really?
Speaker 9 (25:50):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
That is awesome. I had no idea. Hey, we're like
what We're like?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
What borrow? Are you in for your or did they
just send you all over?
Speaker 6 (26:02):
No?
Speaker 9 (26:03):
I'm officially in Manhattan Family Court.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I was gonna say, that's cool, But I bet you
hear some stuff that you wish you didn't have to type. Yes, yeah,
like that would be the hard part, but you got
to block it out.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You're just doing your job.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Typing stuff fast. Maybe you don't even realize no, well
that you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, what's your WP?
Speaker 9 (26:25):
Oh two hundred and twenty five was a minute?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Oh that's not good. That's not good. What the oh, Unsteno,
that's fast.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I talk quicker than that, though you don't the I
talk quicker than to twenty five.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I have a test.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I talk. I talk much quicker than two twenty five.
Lookt me go, look at me go. I'm talking faster
than two twenty five.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And you starting to like box? How does he get
involved in it?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah? How did you? How did you stumble into this? Eileen?
Speaker 9 (26:50):
So, oh my god. Many years ago, when I graduated
from high school, I went away to college for a
fashion design because I used to go here to school
for fascinating design. And while I was away in school,
I'm like, this is not for me. So when I
came back in the subway, there was an ad and
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it said Stene School. Whatever I went, I did a
trial run. I liked it, and I did it so
then it came into the court system as a lost Steno,
but they didn't utilize my skills for that. Then I
got comfortable. I did like administrative work. And then just
maybe five years ago, I went back to courte reporting
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school because of course I had lost all my skills
and the writing changed. Now went to real time writing
where before it was in real time. And here I
am now three years officially as a court reporter. Again.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
By the way, two things come out of this right.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Number one, I didn't know that there was a school
for that where you go and you get certified, which
is great. And then go back to the go back
to the military guy where he's like, there's always going
to be someone in a courtroom in a a in
a time where people are getting replaced and losing jobs.
That's a job. That's a job that's good. And I've
seen pictures of the inside of your apartment. Looks like
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it's a good job.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
Actually, I mean it is a good job. But I
mean when you freelance, you can make a lot of money,
but it's it's you have to work really hard, like
if you want to take vacation, because you don't get
vacation when you freelance as an official core report in
the courtroom, you get all those benefits, right, And.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Listen, all jobs are hard. Nothing's harder than being a
disc Jockeyleen. You know that, all right, very good.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I appreciate it, Thank you baby.
Speaker 9 (28:40):
Oh and I do remember wait, I do remember now
how it came about initially, because it was when you
wanted me to do the Empire State Building these oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Up on the beam or whatever it.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Was, right right the beam, and you have said you'll
never go on on heights, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
I'm not afraid of heights. And then initially when you
said I think you had asked me what did I
do last night? And I was like, I was working,
and then you asked me what do I do for work?
And I said, I'm a court report. And then that's
when Diane said, oh, if she could do that, she's
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not clearly she's not afraid of heights or something like that.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, Dania don't know which is. That's how that came
all right, very good.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I love you guys, all right, I love you too,
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Here.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
So I have found an online test to see how
fast words permitted you speak. The microphone will show us
in real time and then give us a score afterwards.
Because you are right, you were already trying to reach
for your papers. We need to find something you've never
read before. So I pulled up the company's code.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's one of my papers, the.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Company's Code of Conduct. It'll be on the screen behind you.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Hear me.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yes, okay, I said, we'll pull your microphone a little bit. Well,
if I'm facing this way now, but can't you pull
it a little bit. There's an arm all right? All right,
you're ready.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
I'm gonna flash it up here and then we're gonna
start measuring you. And then Diane, we'll pull up as
something else you haven't read, and we'll.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
See who's faster.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Okay, because you claim to Eileen that you talk very fast, yes,
and efficiently.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
All right, so let me hit start here.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
The sun rises in the everyday birds in the blue sky.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Aboves.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yes, that's in the iHeart Code of Conduct.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I don't know. I'm just reading I like I would know.
I've never read it before.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Okay, you ready, yep.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Go.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
We are dedicated to providing an honest, open, and ethical
work environment for our colleagues, and we also want to
extend those values to our interactions and communications with our audiences, viewers, customers,
and various business partners. At our company, we all work
together to create and execute that shared vision.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Stop so you spoke at two twenty two.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's freaking awesome.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
It labeled you an expert order, thank you God, thank
you to be, and it says this right below her
or not to be? How do you compare radio disc
jockeys listed right here? One, one sixty.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Oh, I crush them.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I crush them.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
So, Diane, are you ready here?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You want me to do tamo? I am a robot.
I recorded everything.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Can you make the font bigger?
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Oh? Put your readers on now, your readers.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Are up close. Tell me how big you need it.
That's good, all right, hold on, Let's find a section
that would.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Get to the part where Diane's paying people off at
the dock.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
This is reporting concerns. You want to do this one? Okay, okay,
hold on, I gotta get.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
A reset for Diane here.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
You keep in mind you it's easy to remember to two.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I can't talk while she's going, I'm not. Do you
have your coupler?
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Diane?
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
All members of the company team have a responsibility to
report violations of this code are policies or applicable laws,
and to cooperate in any investigations into such violations, subject
to any applicable laws. The company will treat the information
reported in a confidential manner and will ensure that no
acts of retaliation or retribution will be taken against anyone
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for making a good faith report of suspected misconduct.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I didn't see.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
The number yet, but I I read as though I
was talking. Diane was like trying to speed read, like
Diane was a port fried reis rimp fried rerice aguon toan.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
If anyone was speed reading, it was you.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh to eight.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I was trying to enunciate to be understandable.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Everybody understood, and here's all they gotta know who's.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Back this doesn't you know what?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Yeah, that's no.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Then now to eight.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
In order to be in order for it to be
you eight, speed up.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
You gotta let christ whoa I'm dying.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Here's the dirt. Oh my god. People must sit in
the car be like say it already.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I was trying to enunciate, you're uncursed. It's like the Knicks.
Thank you, Dad Housen, Wow, dank you house.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
You slow
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