May 9, 2026 • 45 mins
ERIC EPSTEIN AND MILLENNIAL BRIAN TALK ABOUT THE SWAMP, CNN, TED TURNER, AND MORE.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, Saturday, it is uh just unpleasant. I mean,
this is the weather you anticipate, you know, having in
Monday in October.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So so we're a little out of rhythm here. Yeah.
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This show, Thunderdome has the playlist of some of the
best music ever and that's correct. But you know, before
beginning the show, wanna you know, recognize Mother's Mother's Day.
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And what I always tell people is Mother's Day shouldn't
be one day out of the here. You should celebrate
your mother regularly. I would point out as a father
that the amount of attention and resources spent on Mother's Day,
I bet I haven't looked at oh yeah, far out
ways Father's Day.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yes, and you also a Valentine's Day, which is basically,
just be honest, is a guy to girl holiday. So
you know, they definitely listen. They definitely dominated us on
the holiday. Calendar by no, no, no question about it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I get it, and I'm okay with it because we
dominate them on the football calendar.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
That's the key thing. It's like we get our you know,
we need our Sundays. Yeah, all right, So.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Let me hit So. I had a weird deal this
week where John Fetterman, who's a Democrat, actually wrote and
I bet said he isn't switching parties. What would prompt
something like that other than his voting records?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Right, So I think so people don't know. Donald Trump
went to Fiderman and said, and they're looking obviously towards
the mid terms, as SENTI, hey, you can switch parties.
You can become a Republican. And his argument was, you know,
if I became a Republican, he's like, I'd be the
worst Republican ever because I vote in ninety three percent
of time with the Democrats. I think what happened is
he's falling out of favor some of the Democrats because
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of his stances, some of it on Israel, some of
us on immigration, some of us on I would say
general tenor to the Trump administration, whereas they want a
kind of fighter policy for guys like Gavin Newsom, and
he's much more of a Joe Mansion. I'll work with
the Trump administration where I think it benefits me or
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benefits Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
The former center from West Virginia who is really a
Democrat name only, but with the Senate so split, uh
well just split, you know, just a couple of votes away,
one votes a big.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Deal, right, And it also goes to show that there
is no there is no moderate either Republican or Democratic
party where that replacing them with someone from that party
would not help the voting record. So if you think
about it like that, Joe Manson always said was the
most important outperformer in politics. He won a state that
voted for Republicans for Trump by sixty points. So whatever
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the Democrats could get in replace of him is not
is nothing is either Joe Manchon or nothing. So I
think with Fetterman, the argument is could we get a
Democrat that votes more in line with us in Pennsylvania
And you don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You also think Federick has a good relationship with the
other Senator McCormick is Republican, and I think the three
issues are Israel, the Iran War, immigration and immigration. So McDonald's.
I know this is kind of coming out of nowhere,
but that was surprised to learn that McDonald's their first
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quarter earning was and they're attributing it to their new product,
the Big Arch. There's nine percent in growth. So it's
interesting because it says the brand is focusing on value
and an approach to attract lower income customers. So my
assumption and I always kind of thought it is pricing
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for fast food has driven away I would imagine to
some extent low income customers.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, that's exactly right. So I think through so anyone
through food inflation and also just through I think general
changes in the way is fast food is no longer
kind of affordable? Is that the general fast food deal,
you know, went from five to ten dollars and now
it's ten to twenty dollars.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well, fast food used to be analogous.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
To cheap food, that's right. And so when Donalds is
doing is they're doubling down on they call it the
four d's digital drive through delivery development and the Value
menu in particular, they want to offer the best prices
for the most amount of food compared to any other competitors.
And so that's why they had revenue growth because comparison
to the value deals at Burriking, at Wendy's, at Chick
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fil a at or any other comparable tests, McDonald's has now
taken the lead and that's their big things. So if
you look at their breakfast value menu deal that you
get basically a five dollars meal coffee sandwich side of
hash Browns, that's probably better as far as the value
than their competitors. And then they're value manting in general.
You get two double cheeseburgers or two mc chickens for
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a certain amount. I used to actually take those deals
a lot. I stopped because dieting.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, I need to intervene here and issue a caveat that.
Brian does not own stock in McDonald's. He is. He's
also intimately familiar with the breaks you get at Duncan Donuts.
Used to be your other one before he came out
of listen.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'm down. I'm down one hundred pounds because I I
put that's right. I used to be. I used to
dominate the fast food deals. Now I've cut him out completely.
But yeah, but that's those are the marketing deals, and
they're trying to dominate, uh, lower income, especially as people
look for substitutes. As prices for energy and food go up,
people look for cheaper substitutes.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, I don't think this is something Donald Trump could Uh.
I don't know if Donald Trump's ever filled up his
own car a little on Ago gone to fast food restaurant.
They did have a picture of him, I remember in
the election.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Actually, I think I'm the fast food. He's actually a
big fast food guy. I think. I think that's one
of his appeals. So it wasn't just the election foldal
I think in general he's a coke diet coke fast
food guy. More far more I.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Don't and now I gotta check that out because I
doubt it more al Ago they're getting delivery from KFC.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well, listen, I think just from the reports, just from
what I've seen fast food wise now in the car
and filling up your cast, I think that's a different thing.
But the fast food, I'm almost positive he is a
fast Right.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
We're gonna have to do more research to get back
to the audience on that. So measles is on the
rise in Pennsylvania. There were eleven new cases in Lebanon County.
I think Lebanon and Lancaster have the highest counts and
apparently they did contact tracing and found three other individuals.
(06:52):
Is this is this an issue? I don't know what
rate you have to be. I mean apparently all but
one of the individuals was unvaccinated.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, so I think this is this is COVID hangover.
Whereas now, because of the failures during the COVID policy,
people are skeptical of the CDC of vaccinations of I
would say general health device in general. So the musical
vaccine is very effective, you should take it. But because
of the failure of other vaccines that we're going to
talk about the Haunter virus. I can't even say that
(07:26):
right but coming up, But I think that skepticism is
what's pulling people back from getting vaccined in general.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So that that virus you're talking about, which we can't pronounce,
so that afflicted people on a cruise ship.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yes, So for people who don't know, I'm just the
Hanter virus. It's a family virus is carried by rodents
that can cause severe sometimes be severely fatal. So if
you think about COVID, COVID, if it's fat at the rate,
so COVID could be fatal, but it was as a
very low rate. It was very.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Rate.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
This is a very it's one fatality rate if you
get infected, which is very high. COVID was very very small.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
This thing is if I understand it, it's you know,
carried by rats, but you still need to have exchange
of fluids for it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
To so direct contact. So so COVID was indirect contact.
So someone could touch let's say a subway thing, you
put your hand there, it could trans It can be
transmit airborne. That's why you had the whole six feet thing.
But it was much lower in serious illness and death
that we realized, but it was much more contagious. So
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you probably in a situation with COVID where hundreds of
millions of people got essentially invected or got the virus,
but only a small percentage got very very serious infections
are very very serious death. Well, this is the reverse
you have. It's much more hard is the transmission process
is much more difficult. But when it does transmit, got
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very deadly. And so that's why they're trying to quarantine
these people. They're trying to track the people. The question
is and the dangerous question is has the virus mutated,
because if it's mutated in the way it transmits, that
could be dangerous and deadly. Right now, it doesn't look
like that's the case. That the most serious version has
trans as mutated where the transmissions were effective, but they're monitrating.
(09:24):
So just so inhaling direct contact bites human to human
is generally not possible, but they found recently that it
might be. That's what they're worrying about.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Let's got to the chase. So for those people listening
who have the proclivity to have sex with animals, that
would not that it would not that would not be
a way to get that would.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
That that would just direct contact, That that is the
way it's human to humans.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Saying you can't even have sex with an animal and
be saved from this virus. Is that.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I'm saying. So that's another reason out of the list.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So Eric Epstein and with Millennial Brian Warrock the Capitol.
The show is Thunderdome. We're being produced by Art Selby,
and we'll be back virus or no virus after this break. Hey,
we're back just observing the irony, and you know, I
get why people have problems with folks transitioning from one
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sex to the next, sess to another sex and then
not the next not like there's a multiple choice. But
also you know there's an unfairness in competition. But if
you just heard that commercial, there's an unfairness now that's
being developed and I don't know if AI will have
a part, but it's called the doping Olympics handscams, the
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hands games where you, I mean, you're almost encouraged to
dope to get better performance.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Well, I think the argument is that everyone knows that
going in. So the argument for this is there's there's
consistent cheating in the Olympics now, so such the honest
athletes get punished while the people that cheat essentially get
rewarded because the testing can never catch up fast enough
to catch everyone. So in enhanced games, where you know
everyone going in is on the same stuff, you know
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everyone's getting enhancements, you could see it's a more fair
playfield and you get to see the peak of human potential.
What would happen if but.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I see, I don't think that's the peak of human potential.
That's the peak of human potential with an aditu Yeah
to say, I mean so.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
But the question is like do people do people just
hate the idea of steroids being used, or do they
Because let's take baseball. Baseball ratings went up when the
steroid era happened because the home runs went up. People
want hundred pressors, people want four hundred foot home runs. Basketball, dude,
does everyone really think that all these guys you know
at six A, six nine, six ten, are just you know,
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adding muscle this fastest quickly. I think I think the
argument is there's cheating going on already. We just don't
want to We don't want to see behind the curtain.
It's the hot talk, like, don't ask how it's made,
just eat it.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, well, I don't have to worry about that. Hebrew
Nationals from the from the best meet in the world.
Let me get back that and tell you why I'm
so opposed to it. I hated baseball when they when
the McGuire Sosa thing occurred, it wasn't baseball. It was
just two guys on two teams trying to hit as
many home runs as they could not even compete, not
(12:24):
even competing, that's right, right, So here, you know, are
we going to start saying with the doping Olympics. You know,
fire it up, run jump, you know, do whatever you do.
Which record is the real record, the record without or
the record with because based on what you're saying, essentially
most people are doing it and they're not getting caught.
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So there's so we're saying in the minority world class
athletes who don't dope or don't take enhancement drugs, they're
the minority.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, so I think there was I forget that the vision.
It's one of the something as they did an anonymous
survey of Olympic athletes and said, how what percentage you
guys are using steroids? I think they I think it
was sixty four percent said that. So that's a survey.
So that's not even like a full testing regime. They're
not catching anywhere near that amount. So the question is
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how many of those records are people already on it?
How many people were used?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
But that's the point. So Ben Johnson, who had blazing
speed back in the Korea Olympics, they found him positive
and then they found just about everybody else.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
That's right, and that's the whole point, Lance Armstrong. Now
there's other reason, but Lance Armstrong, the argument sort of
for him, we're keeping his records or not? Is that
when they tested everyone else, Like the next thirty two
guys all tested positive when they did the updated testing,
So there wasn't a case of lamps Armstrong's doing the guy. Second,
isn't it's thirty three guys. Weightlifting at the Olympics was
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so dirty that they could even find people that qualified
for the Olympics to give them medals.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So that's that. This is the problem. When we went
away from an amateur where you know what, we didn't
have a training centers, put our best kids on there,
let's see what we can do. You had the you know,
the miracle on ice. So here there's three problems I
have with this and and I think there's something society
should examine. One is, if the professional athletes are doing it,
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the kids who you know, worship these guys are going
to do it. So the amount of chemicals being used
at an early age is going to increase, which leads
to the other issue. Is that going to start some
kind of chemical imbalance in their body as they grow.
You know, you're this, You're not no longer eating a
peanut butter and jelly sandwich. You're eating peanut butter, jelly
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and kryptonite.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And well, I mean, I think I think you're seeing
you see it online. It's just the weight lifting community.
You know, steroids or trt H trend all that stuff
is getting used earlier on earlier because people want to
break these records. So you're right. The question is is
keeping it in the dark or making it illegal is
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that gonna help or or well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You're either going to enforce the regulations or or not.
And this is why kids at school believe they can
bend the rules. This is you know, they're bending the
rules at an unprecedented level because they want to get
a record which is going to be broken. And you
don't know what the health consequences are for you later on,
and I don't know what they are genetically. You know,
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you look at Lyle as Zato, I think art probably
remember some I don't know if you know that case.
He was on roids and just became a hot mess.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Effects stuff, yeah, listen, and effects stuff, effects, heart problems.
We've seen people have just take it at puberty.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They have.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Reproductive problems. So there's there's side effects, no question. I
guess The point is the people that are looking at
will say, well, you people drink alcohol, people eat fatty foods, steroids,
side effects are less than what were not as bad
as those, and the benefits are so clear. I mean
there are.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But the problem is these are elite athletes.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
That's right, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
They weren't eating McDonald's beforehand, right, So you know when
you look at the evolution of training, of nutrition, of
working out, all right, and now after all that, you
need an additive. By the way, I don't know if
you heard Big Lou was bad. You know, I was
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thinking if we you know, there's a couple options here
with the Iranians. We could send Big Lou over. You
could just eat them and then we could also you know,
the other option is sending Fauci over.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
The one and Fauci yeah, that's not the deal. We
need listen.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Then you have Steve Miller off on the sidelines. But
I mean, Big Lou, I don't know of anybody who
had the courage or the braz in this. What did
you said? This is Lou Big like you.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I'm on pills. I'm on pills too, I'm a meds too.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So Big Lou is a doper.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We say this, so we look at how success like
let's say R. Schwartzenetor R. Swortsinator took steroids.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You've seen him, now, that's right, And I mean he
looks like a sculpture to bad roast beef.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I'm listening. I'm not saying there's no side effects or
there's not long term. I'm saying they work. People go
on movies and people like that. Look. People say that
they might not like the like the super guy that
just looks kind of ridiculous, but the general, almost all
Hollywood actors when they did these superhero transformations, almost all
of them take steroids.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Or J H and I it was wrong in this
in the studio system when they put uh, you know,
Judy or Garland on speed or forced her not to
get pregnant. You're you're now going outside the laws of
God and creating a protocol where you see the best
and the brightest and the most beautiful and the highest performing.
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In a way, it's a kind of twisted eugenics. You know,
you're you're engineering outcomes.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yes, and yeah, you're you're you're one hundred percent listen,
you're supplementing. But this is what this is what works
even if you look at the strength and conditioning coach,
Let's look at all the strength and addition coaches all
across America. Who's like the number one person they cite
as inspiration Louis Simmons, Louie Simmons ran Westside Barbell, all
those guys in the powerlifting and the weightlifting, they all
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took enhancements. So you're talking about something that's like, I think,
much more normalized than people realize, and much and because
it's so effective, there's there's no replacement for that.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
So if it is normalized, in my assumption, you have
a high degree of penetration with college athletics and high
school athletics, because my god, at high school you got kids?
Was that I forget the name of the brave Ronald
Lacuna Junior's brother got drafted when he was seventh grade.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, listen, you're seeing it, but listen, it works. It's effective.
I think the question is just making an illegal stop it,
And I think the argument would be no, if we
make it legal, everyone knows everyone's clear eye going into it.
You know there are side effects. I would not recommend obviously,
certainly kids, but people not take Let me.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Ask you something. So as a school board member, and
I noticed that there was a trend for kids arriving
to school late and arriving to class late. Do I
just accept the trend and say, hey, you know you're
coming late, you know, rather than you know, us exert
the effort of having to monitor when you arrive, come
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in when, because when I guarantee you with supplements, there's
always going to be something that's more thermonuclear. You know,
it's always going to get better. And you know, my
deal is this What I love about some of the
professional athletes is like Bird, what do they s say,
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can't run, jump, can't do anything, but it was the
best player ever. So now I'm wondering, not only are
you going to get an extra bump for highly competitive people,
but is this a way for like Joe, normal athlete
to become competitive?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Well, that's a yes, And that's that's the argument is
because if you want to do what you want to do,
you basically the basic method you have is you have
to make the testing better. You have to make the
testing better so you don't have the disparity where you
have the honest athletes getting hurt and the cheaters getting
this huge benefit. That's what you'd have to do for
what you're talking about. The argument is we all have
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genetic different genetic potentials. Using enhancements closes those gaps because essentially,
no one's going to take steroids to essentially make them
ten times because there's just too many side effects. You
can't take a huge dose. So if you're a Joe average,
you can get closer to what let's say someone genetically
ahead of you would get.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You are not seeing the immediate effects you know, overdosing
on it. You know, you're trying your pleasure game here
getting enough balancing out to to you know, get the performance.
Who makes these drugs is the pharmaceutical.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Industry's yeah, because it's so so you can I guess
you could find them technically anywhere. You know a lot
of people, especially athletes, they go to Mexico, whereas you
could get it. What's the there's medical reasons to take steroids,
so CVS is to produce them. The military buys huge,
huge plus for for health reasons and presum so if
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you had so there's that's how people listen. There's reasons
why if you go to it can say a gem
and you want to get there there will be someone
that can help you out.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So if you go to Mexico for drugs, then you
come back, they'll bust you for the pot, but not
the steroids.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well technically they will bust you for this.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Say that arts on steroids.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I think they'll bust you for for for both. I
think the argument is is this a high priority? That's
why people very rarely.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Get I'm gonna end with this. In baseball, you know,
they try the lifetime you know, expulsion and then I
forget the name of the relief picture that had like
five or six lifetime expulsions. So I mean, for me,
that would be it, you know, the death death if
if you're going to do it. But you know, for me,
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you see it with botox, you see it with other chemicals.
You see it with breast reduction or penis extension, all
that stuff where people are trying to alter their body
either for beauty or performance. And uh, I think that
it'll just at some point we're gonna have a kid
going to first grade, you know, bringing a six pack
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for lunch, smoking a cigarette and then you know, asking
if you can leave to get some scratch offs. You know,
I mean, because that way he supports the state right.
We Eric Caps signed in with Mani O'Brian will rock
the Capitol. The show was Thunderdome. We're being produced by
the rate Art Selby, former manager of the Orioles, and
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we'll be right back. So I don't know what it
says about us Millennial that are two major sponsors or
a casino in Big.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Lou Big Loues elegends.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
So yeah, I mean, so we should really start looking
at other sponsors who may be on the margins. So
Ted Turner died and Ted Turner was unbelievably impactful. You know,
he was a mixed bag. He could be crude and borish,
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also charming. He started CNN in I think nineteen eighty
and if you were alive at the time, what really
made CNN because before they used to call it like
other network reporters would call it the Chicken Noodle Network.
Oh really yeah, yeah, that you can't And they had
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a hard time finding content twenty four to seven, right,
But much like ESPN, you know, there was an appetite
for it. So he also bought the Braves and then
broadcast all one hundred and sixty two games.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
On cable TVs the TV.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, yeah, which is his station. Therefore he made quite
a bit of money. He also bought the Atlanta Hawks.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Even bought NHL team the Thrashers in it failed, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
They used to have the flames. I don't know what happened,
but he was known as the Mouth of the South.
He could be insulting and you know, just over the top.
That's what he was. That was his personality. I mean,
his third wife divorced him, Jane Vonda, because he had
all these affairs. I just thought, wow, it's a gamble,
you know, marrying an anti Vietnam War veteran in the
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Deep South. But one of the things that I liked
he bought one point five billion the MGM Studio Library,
and which was a brilliant move. So they show the
old movies on TCM Turner Classic Movies. He also bought
all Hannah Barber cartoons, and you know that made him
a mint. But if you go back to CNN, for
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a while, they had a reporter named Peter Arnett, and
when the first War Iraq war came, everybody was watching
Peter Arnett and CNN.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And Wolflitzer Plitzer is you're right, it was CNN. It
was perfect for that war coverage twenty for seven hour
hour news. It's tough because you know, it was such
to become you're trying to become in ESPN with highlights,
but people love sports. Highlights were news. It can get mundane,
but the wars pushed it over. Then they added and
(25:41):
kind of like editorialized Anison Cooper type people that would
have like a news show, but it'd be also their opinion.
They had the debates on. They had Crossfire, and both
Fox MSNBC copied that model, but from a partisan perspective,
and then so that it became you.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Have a really good point. Crossfire had clearly partisan republics
and partisan democrats, right, but it was informative, and you
know some of the program you have now unfortunately CNN, MSNBC, Fox,
it's just editor they're editorialized. However, EDI their editorializing, whereas
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there it's no objective information, so people have a problem
discerning the facts. I think CNN also may have had Larry.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
King, that's right. Learning learning thing was probably the biggest
one as far as the interviews. They appears Morgan for
a while, but but you're right, it's that is now
we have.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Why is his name Pierce? I mean, shouldn't it be
just Pierce or Peter, not Peer?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's Peers peerss this the British You never know, you know? Yeah,
it always would have offt they had the color with
the U.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah. They have a lot of use in there is
if you get extra money for a longer word. So
he donates the BILI into the United Nations. He became
the fourth largest private landowner in America with two million acres,
and he also owns large tracks in Argentina. So he
is a conservationist. Yet at the same time, uh, you know,
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some of the language he uses would not indicate that,
would I the thing that I remembered, I don't know
if art does. Besides the Persian Gulf War. Prior to that,
they had coverage that nobody else had on the Berlin
Wall coming down and square and square. I don't know
if you remember that image of the the young young.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Guy standing standing in front of a tank.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, tanks. So he's gone. I don't know who gets everything. Oh,
here are some of it, just so here's some of
his comments. He actually started by claiming to represent family
values and called NBC ABC CBS a bunch of pinkos
(28:02):
because they glamorized criminals and violence. I mean, you see
a lot of similarities with Trump. Here's a self aggrandizing
guy who has behaviors that can be off putting. I
don't know that Trump has the kind of money that
Turner hat.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well I think, yeah, well, I think now he's in
the I mean he's a bill He's getting billions of
dollars his own private jet. Turner financed this stuff on debt,
so it was a risk. People don't realize that. You know,
he had a stable business from his dad, his billboard company,
and he took risks to start these companies. Obviously, that's
it's different when you're starting from multimillion dollar base. But
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he he grew these companies out and it lisn't The
Braves are probably like probably the biggest regional baseball team
as far as like you got like as almost like
a brave, like like an sec country. The Falcons, I mean,
he hasn't owned them now, obviously I think he sold
them there. But they're the most fault one of the
most fallow, and I felt like loyal fan bases, So.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well, you're right. The thing that people forget is from
from almost forever, the South was a baseball desert, with
the exception of the break.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Even the two Texas teams are relatively new. The Florida
teams it was Atlanta or that was it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, the South has always been behind the professional sports.
That's why college is just such an institution there because
they because us and you can't leave college wise, Mississippi
State has to be in start from Mississippi, you know,
Alabama has to be in Tuscaloosa, Georgia has to be
in Athens, Georgia. So that's what grew there. So until
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the economics change, until business owners took risk you to
bring the professional sports teams down there, it was it
was hard to get anything.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
This is somewhat tangential. This surprised me. He bought Hannah
Barber the cartoons, so he owned the Flintstones, the Jetsons,
and your Viebear.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
He also in ninety three he bought Castle Rock, which
produced Seinfeld and New Line Cinema. So I mean he
was always, you know, pushing the envelope.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And trying yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So what do you think the impact you know, if
you had some if you're given the eulogy at his funeral.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Well listen. I think you would say that Ted Turner
was a four seasons forcing businessman who changed the way
news is consumed, took risks on expanding the business company,
and then bought institutions, especially in the South, like the
Atlanta Brays, the Atlanta Falcons, and and different cartoon programs
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that speak today. Any Atlanta Hawks, I'm sorry, not the
Falcons Hawks, uh and UH programming that you know echoes today.
It's a good way to see if, like if something works,
is to see if other people repeat it. It makes
your sense. I always talk about the with slogans. Both
make America Great and Black Lives Matter are good slogans
(31:04):
because you see people that oppose those organizations repeat the slogans.
Is a different way, you know, blue Lives matter, All
lives matter. They're repeating the same slogan, but for the group,
you know, make America nice again, make America green again,
all these different things. They might oppose Trump, but they're
using this slogan. So both of those are good slogans.
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For CNN, all the news networks basically copy that model.
Twenty four seven news editorialize hour segments. Crossfire is basically
what all political debate shows became in different models.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I think Fox News is better at entertainment rather than information,
but they're still built on those principles. I think you're right.
And I see a lot of those guys in Trump's
cabinet you don't see, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
But even MSBC there's a lot of those people that
work for Bobby So.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yes, you're right. Yeah, it's very, very similar. So when
you look at Ted Turner CNN, uh you you that
sound they make, you know when they come back in,
it's good to see. Yeah, it's like the Jeopardy sound.
It's all it's omnipressing you hear it. But they also
have the iconic voice of James Earl.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I forget James Darth Vader.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's I I now look
at seeing CNN and turn it on Saturday night. If
you listen to Bill Maher, I mean, there's nothing is
off limit in terms of language or topic. So you
know CBS, ABC, NBC, Yeah, they were tamer, but you
know these these guys Cable.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, and he was ahead. He's diversified. He got sports businesses,
he got the cartoons, I mean got Seinfeld Seinfeld arguably
with friends, probably the most iconic franchises in American history.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, I don't know what he did from New Cinema,
which he owned, which is also a production company. But
even rupe Art Murdoch had to concede that he was
a rival. He was formidable, right, and.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
They copied and they copied those models. So I think
that's you know, if you talk about success, like what
are you copying? What do you not? That's I mean
almost every if you if all of your competitors copy
what you're doing. It's a McDonald's thing. It's like how
does Burger King pick locations? But wherever McDonald's going, we're
gonna put pick something that's the.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Same with wah cvs. I mean, I I you know,
it's interesting that McDonald's had the growth they had in
the first quarter, and it's also a good strategy. But
you know, whether it's wahah sheets, McDonald's, Burger King, it's
all kind of like the same food. But you're saying McDonald's, oh,
(33:47):
we gotta go to break. McDonald's went after the quantity.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, they got the best value menu. That's the key.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
All right, Look we're gonna be back for a last segment,
just a moment again, Happy Mother's Day, and I'm Eric
Epstein with Mollney O Brian. This show is Thunderdome. We're
Rock the Capital, and we're produced by Art Selby. All right,
we're coming into the final segment. Real interesting, uh segment.
You know, all four segments were really good, I asked Brian.
(34:15):
And then you know, I guess what we call it? Enhancement,
sports enhancement.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
The enhanced games. And then we had Ted Turner.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
So yeah, so by the way, an idea, So we
have LifeLock game that protects you from stealing ideas. What
if their idea was stolen LifeLock? Yeah, what if somebody
hacked into LifeLock.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
That happened uh not with LifeLock with Ashley Madson, the
cheating company, and they released all the emails of people
cheating and stuff like that, so that there's not there's
not so what this is for people that are in relationship,
are married or something and they're looking essentially, I guess
(34:58):
a secure way to cheat under house and someone hacked in,
probably a scorned lover and released all the emails. Oh yeah,
and so that listen that stuff happens. That's why people
are always skeptical of like giving your credit card information
or giving your IDs to these roomsations because like even
if those people don't do anything with it, well, other
people to other people.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, but you can get creative. I mean, when somebody
asked me for my credit card number, I say six
six six six six six sixty six. You know, and
you can make up I'm used to make I used
to say I'm from East bumble f or you know,
they call, hey, you know, we want to sell you
some windows. Hey, just in time. You know, I throw
the old lady out the window the other day.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
But I mean that's good for telling marketing companies. But
if you need some let's say you all.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Right, so what is the difference? So tell marketing has
to have some your profile. They're not stealing your ID,
but they know who you are because they target it.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Right, So well, listen, a lot of this information is public.
You know. Look, if someone's drassifying someone that have like
different uh, and then and then you know, if you
think about running a campaign, you can get public information
about who's a Democrat, who's Republican, who's independent, where they
live if you want to go door knocking.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So these organizations do that and they call and the
argument is just volume. You know, if you make two
thousand calls a day and twenty people say yes, right,
that's the that's you know, that's the key. So that's
that's what you're doing, just calling and calling and knocking
and knocking it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
You know. So let me ask you this, and it
just came to me. Uh, I think it's brilliant. I'm
sure it's probably not. The One of the threads we've
been going through for maybe a year is uh, marketing
and branding and how that impacts people that gain gamble? Yeah,
(36:46):
and how that impacts oh uh, I mean just really
a lot of aspects of your life. I mean it's
really this this with AI and with the trend before that,
you have this really aggressed affecting effective marketing. Some is sublime,
some is overt. So could you say the same is
(37:09):
in existence for news.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh of marketing? Yeah, well listen, I mean you know.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Just provide, you know, finding a so an issue that
you're going to cover may not be because it merits it,
but because you know you're going to get a higher draw.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yes, the click clickture of the news. Wasn't people for news.
Now they're looking for you would say, ideological alignment from people.
And then they're looking for stories that have good click
through rates, So maybe not the most important stories of
like what is going on, but like what will get
a lot of clicks, what will drive media, And then
they look for people that agree with them. And so
that's why you see people, it's across the spectrum in
(37:50):
every way every day develop confirmation biased or blinders to
where they'll go to their news organizations that they sort
of agree with them, maybe they don't trust or or
they trust and they'll miss stories that are important, or
they'll misinformation that doesn't align with them and they'll get
you know, bad information. You know, you see it all
(38:10):
the time that people are dealing with much different information sets.
Whereas in previous generations, where you'd had let's say, a
walk of Cronkite, he could sort of set the agenda
almost for the nation. But now that you have a
diver you know, a diffusion of news sources you have
you know, even within ideological camps within the left or
within the right, or within you have different views on
(38:32):
different platforms that can be different information.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, The concern I have is that it's out there,
is in the free First Amendment. Obviously there's a reason
why we made it the First Amendment. There's no modification, caveat,
or filter. I'm just concerned in an age where it's
like called the post literacy age, nobody reads books and
(38:57):
most people get all the information on the computer. I
just don't think people have the capacity to filter information.
And I think that's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
True, but I think the argument is who's going to
filter the information? And Yeah, the way you have to
think about is would you want someone who you don't
like filtering the information? Would a left wing person like
a Trump administration be able to filter? Wou a right
wing person want a Biden or a Bomb administration able
to filter the information?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I would go back to the old FCC and you
were not allowed to use profanity. So my argument would be,
if you have guidelines on in place that basically monitor language,
you know, like threats and fal whatever it is, you
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used to have programming around the family time zone.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Right that you couldn't do certain things.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, there's what I'm saying is I don't think I
mean the First Amendment is sacred, but it isn't. It's
you know, it's not like there's other amendments and you
have to strike a balance. So you can't, shouldn't, I think,
say anything you want at any time. And I guess
(40:17):
I'm backing up to get into the information. So if
you're a young person and you're getting pounded by messages
on alcohol and gambling, uh and porn, you know you're online, uh,
and you know you turn on the news and you're
not getting information, you're getting propaganda. How how does a
person filter that? Well, I'm not saying I'm not saying,
(40:41):
you know, deny somebody the First Amendment, right.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
But well, I think I think for there's a difference
between I would say pretty type of restrictions where it's
like this is family viewing hours, you obviously can't show
porn or you can't curse, and I would say ideological
restrictions because the problem with ideological restrictions is that everyone,
(41:07):
you know, you know, everyone will be fine with censuring
the person to disagree with, but they don't want the
person they disagree with able to censor them. So I
think you're in a situation where you have to have
essentially wide ideological gates and then maybe have restrictions for
family viewing ours, kids on social media, those types of things.
But I think you're right. The question is, you know,
(41:30):
gambling is probably the best example of this. We know
that problem gambling exists, that you should be it's not
advisable to gamble well beyond your means. But yet you
what restrictions are we willing to play put in place
for adults. It's their money, it's their choices, and you
can't you can't say you can't restrict every all be
bad behaviors, so you have to I'm more.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Interested in the marketing, the messaging that has no boundaries,
and some of it sublime and some of it's overt.
But you get to a point in my mind, I
don't think there's any guardrails. You can say what you
want anytime when you want. So that notion of having
programming that's children friendly, except you know, PBS or something
(42:18):
of that nature. But uh, you know, I don't know
that there's a solution.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I think I think the middle solution is the cigarette model, right,
which is there's very strict restrictions on advertising with cigarettes,
on the branding, there's like there's health advisories but it's
still legal. Adults can still buy cigarettes. So it's like,
we know it's bad, we know it's addictive, but you're
an adult, so we're gonna restrict you. We're going to
give you the warnings, but then you got to make
(42:45):
a decisions.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
But we're also taxing it heavily for revenue. So you have,
you know, one part of the government, you know, arguing
for cessation, the other one needing the revenue. Right, And
you know, here's here's an example. Alcohol. It's advertised everywhere, yeah, everywhere,
and then it says drink responsible. Right, So that's like saying, uh,
(43:07):
have saved sex, but don't use a condom. I mean,
it's it's counterintuitive. Art. I'm looking at the clock. How
much time do we have?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
About two minutes? Okay, I think I think you're right.
I think I think.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
These South Parts a famous clip on this where they
had basically an alcohol a fake alcohol add where it's
like alcohol is awesome, Alcohol is awesome, hot girls, money,
alcohol and alcohol, and then right at the end, in
real small airs is like please responsibility. That's it. And
you're right, It's like it's like this ridiculous, Like we're
promoting all the best, like all these cool things, and
it's like right at the end, it's like, well, you don't,
(43:40):
don't go crazy. I don't know. The model that people
talk about is the cigarette model of where there's severe restrictions.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Model was reinforced by very brutal commercials. You know, you
don't see that for gaming or alcohol or doping. You know,
you don't see what happens when you engage in these behaviors.
My god. You look at the cigarette commercial, the ones
on with the person speaking through the larnus, and I mean,
(44:12):
I think that's sobering, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Oh yeah no, And when growing up, it was drilled in.
It was drilled in every health class. This is bad.
Maybe we should do that with gaming and all these
other items, I think. But once you get to an
adult level, there there is a level of just hey,
you can make bad choices.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
But the problem is, as successful as we may have
been moving people away from you know, snuff to cigarettes,
my god.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
We're moving them into gambling out yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
They're all vaping. Yeah, all right, So we don't have
a lot of time ard anything before we sign off.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Flyers gotta win tonight.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
They have to win sixer is the same thing, Brian.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I just think both playoffs are great. I've watching I
haven't watched everything, but they're both moving up to the hype.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
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All right, Saturday, it is uh just unpleasant. I mean,
this is the weather you anticipate, you know, having in
Monday in October.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So so we're a little out of rhythm here. Yeah.
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This show, Thunderdome has the playlist of some of the
best music ever and that's correct. But you know, before
beginning the show, wanna you know, recognize Mother's Mother's Day.
(00:50):
And what I always tell people is Mother's Day shouldn't
be one day out of the here. You should celebrate
your mother regularly. I would point out as a father
that the amount of attention and resources spent on Mother's Day,
I bet I haven't looked at oh yeah, far out
ways Father's Day.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yes, and you also a Valentine's Day, which is basically,
just be honest, is a guy to girl holiday. So
you know, they definitely listen. They definitely dominated us on
the holiday. Calendar by no, no, no question about it.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I get it, and I'm okay with it because we
dominate them on the football calendar.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
That's the key thing. It's like we get our you know,
we need our Sundays. Yeah, all right, So.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Let me hit So. I had a weird deal this
week where John Fetterman, who's a Democrat, actually wrote and
I bet said he isn't switching parties. What would prompt
something like that other than his voting records?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Right, So I think so people don't know. Donald Trump
went to Fiderman and said, and they're looking obviously towards
the mid terms, as SENTI, hey, you can switch parties.
You can become a Republican. And his argument was, you know,
if I became a Republican, he's like, I'd be the
worst Republican ever because I vote in ninety three percent
of time with the Democrats. I think what happened is
he's falling out of favor some of the Democrats because
(02:05):
of his stances, some of it on Israel, some of
us on immigration, some of us on I would say
general tenor to the Trump administration, whereas they want a
kind of fighter policy for guys like Gavin Newsom, and
he's much more of a Joe Mansion. I'll work with
the Trump administration where I think it benefits me or
(02:25):
benefits Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
The former center from West Virginia who is really a
Democrat name only, but with the Senate so split, uh
well just split, you know, just a couple of votes away,
one votes a big.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Deal, right, And it also goes to show that there
is no there is no moderate either Republican or Democratic
party where that replacing them with someone from that party
would not help the voting record. So if you think
about it like that, Joe Manson always said was the
most important outperformer in politics. He won a state that
voted for Republicans for Trump by sixty points. So whatever
(03:01):
the Democrats could get in replace of him is not
is nothing is either Joe Manchon or nothing. So I
think with Fetterman, the argument is could we get a
Democrat that votes more in line with us in Pennsylvania
And you don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You also think Federick has a good relationship with the
other Senator McCormick is Republican, and I think the three
issues are Israel, the Iran War, immigration and immigration. So McDonald's.
I know this is kind of coming out of nowhere,
but that was surprised to learn that McDonald's their first
(03:39):
quarter earning was and they're attributing it to their new product,
the Big Arch. There's nine percent in growth. So it's
interesting because it says the brand is focusing on value
and an approach to attract lower income customers. So my
assumption and I always kind of thought it is pricing
(03:59):
for fast food has driven away I would imagine to
some extent low income customers.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, that's exactly right. So I think through so anyone
through food inflation and also just through I think general
changes in the way is fast food is no longer
kind of affordable? Is that the general fast food deal,
you know, went from five to ten dollars and now
it's ten to twenty dollars.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well, fast food used to be analogous.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
To cheap food, that's right. And so when Donalds is
doing is they're doubling down on they call it the
four d's digital drive through delivery development and the Value
menu in particular, they want to offer the best prices
for the most amount of food compared to any other competitors.
And so that's why they had revenue growth because comparison
to the value deals at Burriking, at Wendy's, at Chick
(04:48):
fil a at or any other comparable tests, McDonald's has now
taken the lead and that's their big things. So if
you look at their breakfast value menu deal that you
get basically a five dollars meal coffee sandwich side of
hash Browns, that's probably better as far as the value
than their competitors. And then they're value manting in general.
You get two double cheeseburgers or two mc chickens for
(05:10):
a certain amount. I used to actually take those deals
a lot. I stopped because dieting.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, I need to intervene here and issue a caveat that.
Brian does not own stock in McDonald's. He is. He's
also intimately familiar with the breaks you get at Duncan Donuts.
Used to be your other one before he came out
of listen.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'm down. I'm down one hundred pounds because I I
put that's right. I used to be. I used to
dominate the fast food deals. Now I've cut him out completely.
But yeah, but that's those are the marketing deals, and
they're trying to dominate, uh, lower income, especially as people
look for substitutes. As prices for energy and food go up,
people look for cheaper substitutes.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, I don't think this is something Donald Trump could Uh.
I don't know if Donald Trump's ever filled up his
own car a little on Ago gone to fast food restaurant.
They did have a picture of him, I remember in
the election.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Actually, I think I'm the fast food. He's actually a
big fast food guy. I think. I think that's one
of his appeals. So it wasn't just the election foldal
I think in general he's a coke diet coke fast
food guy. More far more I.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Don't and now I gotta check that out because I
doubt it more al Ago they're getting delivery from KFC.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well, listen, I think just from the reports, just from
what I've seen fast food wise now in the car
and filling up your cast, I think that's a different thing.
But the fast food, I'm almost positive he is a
fast Right.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
We're gonna have to do more research to get back
to the audience on that. So measles is on the
rise in Pennsylvania. There were eleven new cases in Lebanon County.
I think Lebanon and Lancaster have the highest counts and
apparently they did contact tracing and found three other individuals.
(06:52):
Is this is this an issue? I don't know what
rate you have to be. I mean apparently all but
one of the individuals was unvaccinated.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, so I think this is this is COVID hangover.
Whereas now, because of the failures during the COVID policy,
people are skeptical of the CDC of vaccinations of I
would say general health device in general. So the musical
vaccine is very effective, you should take it. But because
of the failure of other vaccines that we're going to
talk about the Haunter virus. I can't even say that
(07:26):
right but coming up, But I think that skepticism is
what's pulling people back from getting vaccined in general.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So that that virus you're talking about, which we can't pronounce,
so that afflicted people on a cruise ship.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yes, So for people who don't know, I'm just the
Hanter virus. It's a family virus is carried by rodents
that can cause severe sometimes be severely fatal. So if
you think about COVID, COVID, if it's fat at the rate,
so COVID could be fatal, but it was as a
very low rate. It was very.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Rate.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
This is a very it's one fatality rate if you
get infected, which is very high. COVID was very very small.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
This thing is if I understand it, it's you know,
carried by rats, but you still need to have exchange
of fluids for it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
To so direct contact. So so COVID was indirect contact.
So someone could touch let's say a subway thing, you
put your hand there, it could trans It can be
transmit airborne. That's why you had the whole six feet thing.
But it was much lower in serious illness and death
that we realized, but it was much more contagious. So
(08:40):
you probably in a situation with COVID where hundreds of
millions of people got essentially invected or got the virus,
but only a small percentage got very very serious infections
are very very serious death. Well, this is the reverse
you have. It's much more hard is the transmission process
is much more difficult. But when it does transmit, got
(09:00):
very deadly. And so that's why they're trying to quarantine
these people. They're trying to track the people. The question
is and the dangerous question is has the virus mutated,
because if it's mutated in the way it transmits, that
could be dangerous and deadly. Right now, it doesn't look
like that's the case. That the most serious version has
trans as mutated where the transmissions were effective, but they're monitrating.
(09:24):
So just so inhaling direct contact bites human to human
is generally not possible, but they found recently that it
might be. That's what they're worrying about.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Let's got to the chase. So for those people listening
who have the proclivity to have sex with animals, that
would not that it would not that would not be
a way to get that would.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
That that would just direct contact, That that is the
way it's human to humans.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Saying you can't even have sex with an animal and
be saved from this virus. Is that.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I'm saying. So that's another reason out of the list.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So Eric Epstein and with Millennial Brian Warrock the Capitol.
The show is Thunderdome. We're being produced by Art Selby,
and we'll be back virus or no virus after this break. Hey,
we're back just observing the irony, and you know, I
get why people have problems with folks transitioning from one
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sex to the next, sess to another sex and then
not the next not like there's a multiple choice. But
also you know there's an unfairness in competition. But if
you just heard that commercial, there's an unfairness now that's
being developed and I don't know if AI will have
a part, but it's called the doping Olympics handscams, the
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hands games where you, I mean, you're almost encouraged to
dope to get better performance.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Well, I think the argument is that everyone knows that
going in. So the argument for this is there's there's
consistent cheating in the Olympics now, so such the honest
athletes get punished while the people that cheat essentially get
rewarded because the testing can never catch up fast enough
to catch everyone. So in enhanced games, where you know
everyone going in is on the same stuff, you know
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everyone's getting enhancements, you could see it's a more fair
playfield and you get to see the peak of human potential.
What would happen if but.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I see, I don't think that's the peak of human potential.
That's the peak of human potential with an aditu Yeah
to say, I mean so.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
But the question is like do people do people just
hate the idea of steroids being used, or do they
Because let's take baseball. Baseball ratings went up when the
steroid era happened because the home runs went up. People
want hundred pressors, people want four hundred foot home runs. Basketball, dude,
does everyone really think that all these guys you know
at six A, six nine, six ten, are just you know,
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adding muscle this fastest quickly. I think I think the
argument is there's cheating going on already. We just don't
want to We don't want to see behind the curtain.
It's the hot talk, like, don't ask how it's made,
just eat it.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, well, I don't have to worry about that. Hebrew
Nationals from the from the best meet in the world.
Let me get back that and tell you why I'm
so opposed to it. I hated baseball when they when
the McGuire Sosa thing occurred, it wasn't baseball. It was
just two guys on two teams trying to hit as
many home runs as they could not even compete, not
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even competing, that's right, right, So here, you know, are
we going to start saying with the doping Olympics. You know,
fire it up, run jump, you know, do whatever you do.
Which record is the real record, the record without or
the record with because based on what you're saying, essentially
most people are doing it and they're not getting caught.
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So there's so we're saying in the minority world class
athletes who don't dope or don't take enhancement drugs, they're
the minority.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, so I think there was I forget that the vision.
It's one of the something as they did an anonymous
survey of Olympic athletes and said, how what percentage you
guys are using steroids? I think they I think it
was sixty four percent said that. So that's a survey.
So that's not even like a full testing regime. They're
not catching anywhere near that amount. So the question is
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how many of those records are people already on it?
How many people were used?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
But that's the point. So Ben Johnson, who had blazing
speed back in the Korea Olympics, they found him positive
and then they found just about everybody else.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
That's right, and that's the whole point, Lance Armstrong. Now
there's other reason, but Lance Armstrong, the argument sort of
for him, we're keeping his records or not? Is that
when they tested everyone else, Like the next thirty two
guys all tested positive when they did the updated testing,
So there wasn't a case of lamps Armstrong's doing the guy. Second,
isn't it's thirty three guys. Weightlifting at the Olympics was
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so dirty that they could even find people that qualified
for the Olympics to give them medals.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So that's that. This is the problem. When we went
away from an amateur where you know what, we didn't
have a training centers, put our best kids on there,
let's see what we can do. You had the you know,
the miracle on ice. So here there's three problems I
have with this and and I think there's something society
should examine. One is, if the professional athletes are doing it,
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the kids who you know, worship these guys are going
to do it. So the amount of chemicals being used
at an early age is going to increase, which leads
to the other issue. Is that going to start some
kind of chemical imbalance in their body as they grow.
You know, you're this, You're not no longer eating a
peanut butter and jelly sandwich. You're eating peanut butter, jelly
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and kryptonite.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And well, I mean, I think I think you're seeing
you see it online. It's just the weight lifting community.
You know, steroids or trt H trend all that stuff
is getting used earlier on earlier because people want to
break these records. So you're right. The question is is
keeping it in the dark or making it illegal is
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that gonna help or or well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You're either going to enforce the regulations or or not.
And this is why kids at school believe they can
bend the rules. This is you know, they're bending the
rules at an unprecedented level because they want to get
a record which is going to be broken. And you
don't know what the health consequences are for you later on,
and I don't know what they are genetically. You know,
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you look at Lyle as Zato, I think art probably
remember some I don't know if you know that case.
He was on roids and just became a hot mess.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Effects stuff, yeah, listen, and effects stuff, effects, heart problems.
We've seen people have just take it at puberty.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They have.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Reproductive problems. So there's there's side effects, no question. I
guess The point is the people that are looking at
will say, well, you people drink alcohol, people eat fatty foods, steroids,
side effects are less than what were not as bad
as those, and the benefits are so clear. I mean
there are.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
But the problem is these are elite athletes.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
That's right, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
They weren't eating McDonald's beforehand, right, So you know when
you look at the evolution of training, of nutrition, of
working out, all right, and now after all that, you
need an additive. By the way, I don't know if
you heard Big Lou was bad. You know, I was
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thinking if we you know, there's a couple options here
with the Iranians. We could send Big Lou over. You
could just eat them and then we could also you know,
the other option is sending Fauci over.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
The one and Fauci yeah, that's not the deal. We
need listen.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Then you have Steve Miller off on the sidelines. But
I mean, Big Lou, I don't know of anybody who
had the courage or the braz in this. What did
you said? This is Lou Big like you.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I'm on pills. I'm on pills too, I'm a meds too.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So Big Lou is a doper.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We say this, so we look at how success like
let's say R. Schwartzenetor R. Swortsinator took steroids.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You've seen him, now, that's right, And I mean he
looks like a sculpture to bad roast beef.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I'm listening. I'm not saying there's no side effects or
there's not long term. I'm saying they work. People go
on movies and people like that. Look. People say that
they might not like the like the super guy that
just looks kind of ridiculous, but the general, almost all
Hollywood actors when they did these superhero transformations, almost all
of them take steroids.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Or J H and I it was wrong in this
in the studio system when they put uh, you know,
Judy or Garland on speed or forced her not to
get pregnant. You're you're now going outside the laws of
God and creating a protocol where you see the best
and the brightest and the most beautiful and the highest performing.
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In a way, it's a kind of twisted eugenics. You know,
you're you're engineering outcomes.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yes, and yeah, you're you're you're one hundred percent listen,
you're supplementing. But this is what this is what works
even if you look at the strength and conditioning coach,
Let's look at all the strength and addition coaches all
across America. Who's like the number one person they cite
as inspiration Louis Simmons, Louie Simmons ran Westside Barbell, all
those guys in the powerlifting and the weightlifting, they all
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took enhancements. So you're talking about something that's like, I think,
much more normalized than people realize, and much and because
it's so effective, there's there's no replacement for that.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
So if it is normalized, in my assumption, you have
a high degree of penetration with college athletics and high
school athletics, because my god, at high school you got kids?
Was that I forget the name of the brave Ronald
Lacuna Junior's brother got drafted when he was seventh grade.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, listen, you're seeing it, but listen, it works. It's effective.
I think the question is just making an illegal stop it,
And I think the argument would be no, if we
make it legal, everyone knows everyone's clear eye going into it.
You know there are side effects. I would not recommend obviously,
certainly kids, but people not take Let me.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Ask you something. So as a school board member, and
I noticed that there was a trend for kids arriving
to school late and arriving to class late. Do I
just accept the trend and say, hey, you know you're
coming late, you know, rather than you know, us exert
the effort of having to monitor when you arrive, come
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in when, because when I guarantee you with supplements, there's
always going to be something that's more thermonuclear. You know,
it's always going to get better. And you know, my
deal is this What I love about some of the
professional athletes is like Bird, what do they s say,
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can't run, jump, can't do anything, but it was the
best player ever. So now I'm wondering, not only are
you going to get an extra bump for highly competitive people,
but is this a way for like Joe, normal athlete
to become competitive?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Well, that's a yes, And that's that's the argument is
because if you want to do what you want to do,
you basically the basic method you have is you have
to make the testing better. You have to make the
testing better so you don't have the disparity where you
have the honest athletes getting hurt and the cheaters getting
this huge benefit. That's what you'd have to do for
what you're talking about. The argument is we all have
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genetic different genetic potentials. Using enhancements closes those gaps because essentially,
no one's going to take steroids to essentially make them
ten times because there's just too many side effects. You
can't take a huge dose. So if you're a Joe average,
you can get closer to what let's say someone genetically
ahead of you would get.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You are not seeing the immediate effects you know, overdosing
on it. You know, you're trying your pleasure game here
getting enough balancing out to to you know, get the performance.
Who makes these drugs is the pharmaceutical.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Industry's yeah, because it's so so you can I guess
you could find them technically anywhere. You know a lot
of people, especially athletes, they go to Mexico, whereas you
could get it. What's the there's medical reasons to take steroids,
so CVS is to produce them. The military buys huge,
huge plus for for health reasons and presum so if
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you had so there's that's how people listen. There's reasons
why if you go to it can say a gem
and you want to get there there will be someone
that can help you out.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So if you go to Mexico for drugs, then you
come back, they'll bust you for the pot, but not
the steroids.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well technically they will bust you for this.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Say that arts on steroids.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I think they'll bust you for for for both. I
think the argument is is this a high priority? That's
why people very rarely.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Get I'm gonna end with this. In baseball, you know,
they try the lifetime you know, expulsion and then I
forget the name of the relief picture that had like
five or six lifetime expulsions. So I mean, for me,
that would be it, you know, the death death if
if you're going to do it. But you know, for me,
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you see it with botox, you see it with other chemicals.
You see it with breast reduction or penis extension, all
that stuff where people are trying to alter their body
either for beauty or performance. And uh, I think that
it'll just at some point we're gonna have a kid
going to first grade, you know, bringing a six pack
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for lunch, smoking a cigarette and then you know, asking
if you can leave to get some scratch offs. You know,
I mean, because that way he supports the state right.
We Eric Caps signed in with Mani O'Brian will rock
the Capitol. The show was Thunderdome. We're being produced by
the rate Art Selby, former manager of the Orioles, and
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we'll be right back. So I don't know what it
says about us Millennial that are two major sponsors or
a casino in Big.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Lou Big Loues elegends.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
So yeah, I mean, so we should really start looking
at other sponsors who may be on the margins. So
Ted Turner died and Ted Turner was unbelievably impactful. You know,
he was a mixed bag. He could be crude and borish,
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also charming. He started CNN in I think nineteen eighty
and if you were alive at the time, what really
made CNN because before they used to call it like
other network reporters would call it the Chicken Noodle Network.
Oh really yeah, yeah, that you can't And they had
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a hard time finding content twenty four to seven, right,
But much like ESPN, you know, there was an appetite
for it. So he also bought the Braves and then
broadcast all one hundred and sixty two games.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
On cable TVs the TV.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, yeah, which is his station. Therefore he made quite
a bit of money. He also bought the Atlanta Hawks.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Even bought NHL team the Thrashers in it failed, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
They used to have the flames. I don't know what happened,
but he was known as the Mouth of the South.
He could be insulting and you know, just over the top.
That's what he was. That was his personality. I mean,
his third wife divorced him, Jane Vonda, because he had
all these affairs. I just thought, wow, it's a gamble,
you know, marrying an anti Vietnam War veteran in the
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Deep South. But one of the things that I liked
he bought one point five billion the MGM Studio Library,
and which was a brilliant move. So they show the
old movies on TCM Turner Classic Movies. He also bought
all Hannah Barber cartoons, and you know that made him
a mint. But if you go back to CNN, for
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a while, they had a reporter named Peter Arnett, and
when the first War Iraq war came, everybody was watching
Peter Arnett and CNN.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And Wolflitzer Plitzer is you're right, it was CNN. It
was perfect for that war coverage twenty for seven hour
hour news. It's tough because you know, it was such
to become you're trying to become in ESPN with highlights,
but people love sports. Highlights were news. It can get mundane,
but the wars pushed it over. Then they added and
(25:41):
kind of like editorialized Anison Cooper type people that would
have like a news show, but it'd be also their opinion.
They had the debates on. They had Crossfire, and both
Fox MSNBC copied that model, but from a partisan perspective,
and then so that it became you.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Have a really good point. Crossfire had clearly partisan republics
and partisan democrats, right, but it was informative, and you
know some of the program you have now unfortunately CNN, MSNBC, Fox,
it's just editor they're editorialized. However, EDI their editorializing, whereas
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there it's no objective information, so people have a problem
discerning the facts. I think CNN also may have had Larry.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
King, that's right. Learning learning thing was probably the biggest
one as far as the interviews. They appears Morgan for
a while, but but you're right, it's that is now
we have.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Why is his name Pierce? I mean, shouldn't it be
just Pierce or Peter, not Peer?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's Peers peerss this the British You never know, you know? Yeah,
it always would have offt they had the color with
the U.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah. They have a lot of use in there is
if you get extra money for a longer word. So
he donates the BILI into the United Nations. He became
the fourth largest private landowner in America with two million acres,
and he also owns large tracks in Argentina. So he
is a conservationist. Yet at the same time, uh, you know,
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some of the language he uses would not indicate that,
would I the thing that I remembered, I don't know
if art does. Besides the Persian Gulf War. Prior to that,
they had coverage that nobody else had on the Berlin
Wall coming down and square and square. I don't know
if you remember that image of the the young young.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Guy standing standing in front of a tank.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, tanks. So he's gone. I don't know who gets everything. Oh,
here are some of it, just so here's some of
his comments. He actually started by claiming to represent family
values and called NBC ABC CBS a bunch of pinkos
(28:02):
because they glamorized criminals and violence. I mean, you see
a lot of similarities with Trump. Here's a self aggrandizing
guy who has behaviors that can be off putting. I
don't know that Trump has the kind of money that
Turner hat.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well I think, yeah, well, I think now he's in
the I mean he's a bill He's getting billions of
dollars his own private jet. Turner financed this stuff on debt,
so it was a risk. People don't realize that. You know,
he had a stable business from his dad, his billboard company,
and he took risks to start these companies. Obviously, that's
it's different when you're starting from multimillion dollar base. But
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he he grew these companies out and it lisn't The
Braves are probably like probably the biggest regional baseball team
as far as like you got like as almost like
a brave, like like an sec country. The Falcons, I mean,
he hasn't owned them now, obviously I think he sold
them there. But they're the most fault one of the
most fallow, and I felt like loyal fan bases, So.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Well, you're right. The thing that people forget is from
from almost forever, the South was a baseball desert, with
the exception of the break.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Even the two Texas teams are relatively new. The Florida
teams it was Atlanta or that was it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, the South has always been behind the professional sports.
That's why college is just such an institution there because
they because us and you can't leave college wise, Mississippi
State has to be in start from Mississippi, you know,
Alabama has to be in Tuscaloosa, Georgia has to be
in Athens, Georgia. So that's what grew there. So until
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the economics change, until business owners took risk you to
bring the professional sports teams down there, it was it
was hard to get anything.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
This is somewhat tangential. This surprised me. He bought Hannah
Barber the cartoons, so he owned the Flintstones, the Jetsons,
and your Viebear.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
He also in ninety three he bought Castle Rock, which
produced Seinfeld and New Line Cinema. So I mean he
was always, you know, pushing the envelope.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
And trying yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So what do you think the impact you know, if
you had some if you're given the eulogy at his funeral.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Well listen. I think you would say that Ted Turner
was a four seasons forcing businessman who changed the way
news is consumed, took risks on expanding the business company,
and then bought institutions, especially in the South, like the
Atlanta Brays, the Atlanta Falcons, and and different cartoon programs
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that speak today. Any Atlanta Hawks, I'm sorry, not the
Falcons Hawks, uh and UH programming that you know echoes today.
It's a good way to see if, like if something works,
is to see if other people repeat it. It makes
your sense. I always talk about the with slogans. Both
make America Great and Black Lives Matter are good slogans
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because you see people that oppose those organizations repeat the slogans.
Is a different way, you know, blue Lives matter, All
lives matter. They're repeating the same slogan, but for the group,
you know, make America nice again, make America green again,
all these different things. They might oppose Trump, but they're
using this slogan. So both of those are good slogans.
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For CNN, all the news networks basically copy that model.
Twenty four seven news editorialize hour segments. Crossfire is basically
what all political debate shows became in different models.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I think Fox News is better at entertainment rather than information,
but they're still built on those principles. I think you're right.
And I see a lot of those guys in Trump's
cabinet you don't see, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
But even MSBC there's a lot of those people that
work for Bobby So.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yes, you're right. Yeah, it's very, very similar. So when
you look at Ted Turner CNN, uh you you that
sound they make, you know when they come back in,
it's good to see. Yeah, it's like the Jeopardy sound.
It's all it's omnipressing you hear it. But they also
have the iconic voice of James Earl.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I forget James Darth Vader.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's I I now look
at seeing CNN and turn it on Saturday night. If
you listen to Bill Maher, I mean, there's nothing is
off limit in terms of language or topic. So you
know CBS, ABC, NBC, Yeah, they were tamer, but you
know these these guys Cable.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, and he was ahead. He's diversified. He got sports businesses,
he got the cartoons, I mean got Seinfeld Seinfeld arguably
with friends, probably the most iconic franchises in American history.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, I don't know what he did from New Cinema,
which he owned, which is also a production company. But
even rupe Art Murdoch had to concede that he was
a rival. He was formidable, right, and.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
They copied and they copied those models. So I think
that's you know, if you talk about success, like what
are you copying? What do you not? That's I mean
almost every if you if all of your competitors copy
what you're doing. It's a McDonald's thing. It's like how
does Burger King pick locations? But wherever McDonald's going, we're
gonna put pick something that's the.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Same with wah cvs. I mean, I I you know,
it's interesting that McDonald's had the growth they had in
the first quarter, and it's also a good strategy. But
you know, whether it's wahah sheets, McDonald's, Burger King, it's
all kind of like the same food. But you're saying McDonald's, oh,
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we gotta go to break. McDonald's went after the quantity.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, they got the best value menu. That's the key.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
All right, Look we're gonna be back for a last segment,
just a moment again, Happy Mother's Day, and I'm Eric
Epstein with Mollney O Brian. This show is Thunderdome. We're
Rock the Capital, and we're produced by Art Selby. All right,
we're coming into the final segment. Real interesting, uh segment.
You know, all four segments were really good, I asked Brian.
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And then you know, I guess what we call it? Enhancement,
sports enhancement.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
The enhanced games. And then we had Ted Turner.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
So yeah, so by the way, an idea, So we
have LifeLock game that protects you from stealing ideas. What
if their idea was stolen LifeLock? Yeah, what if somebody
hacked into LifeLock.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
That happened uh not with LifeLock with Ashley Madson, the
cheating company, and they released all the emails of people
cheating and stuff like that, so that there's not there's
not so what this is for people that are in relationship,
are married or something and they're looking essentially, I guess
(34:58):
a secure way to cheat under house and someone hacked in,
probably a scorned lover and released all the emails. Oh yeah,
and so that listen that stuff happens. That's why people
are always skeptical of like giving your credit card information
or giving your IDs to these roomsations because like even
if those people don't do anything with it, well, other
people to other people.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, but you can get creative. I mean, when somebody
asked me for my credit card number, I say six
six six six six six sixty six. You know, and
you can make up I'm used to make I used
to say I'm from East bumble f or you know,
they call, hey, you know, we want to sell you
some windows. Hey, just in time. You know, I throw
the old lady out the window the other day.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
But I mean that's good for telling marketing companies. But
if you need some let's say you all.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Right, so what is the difference? So tell marketing has
to have some your profile. They're not stealing your ID,
but they know who you are because they target it.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Right, So well, listen, a lot of this information is public.
You know. Look, if someone's drassifying someone that have like
different uh, and then and then you know, if you
think about running a campaign, you can get public information
about who's a Democrat, who's Republican, who's independent, where they
live if you want to go door knocking.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So these organizations do that and they call and the
argument is just volume. You know, if you make two
thousand calls a day and twenty people say yes, right,
that's the that's you know, that's the key. So that's
that's what you're doing, just calling and calling and knocking
and knocking it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
You know. So let me ask you this, and it
just came to me. Uh, I think it's brilliant. I'm
sure it's probably not. The One of the threads we've
been going through for maybe a year is uh, marketing
and branding and how that impacts people that gain gamble? Yeah,
(36:46):
and how that impacts oh uh, I mean just really
a lot of aspects of your life. I mean it's
really this this with AI and with the trend before that,
you have this really aggressed affecting effective marketing. Some is sublime,
some is overt. So could you say the same is
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in existence for news.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh of marketing? Yeah, well listen, I mean you know.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Just provide, you know, finding a so an issue that
you're going to cover may not be because it merits it,
but because you know you're going to get a higher draw.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yes, the click clickture of the news. Wasn't people for news.
Now they're looking for you would say, ideological alignment from people.
And then they're looking for stories that have good click
through rates, So maybe not the most important stories of
like what is going on, but like what will get
a lot of clicks, what will drive media, And then
they look for people that agree with them. And so
that's why you see people, it's across the spectrum in
(37:50):
every way every day develop confirmation biased or blinders to
where they'll go to their news organizations that they sort
of agree with them, maybe they don't trust or or
they trust and they'll miss stories that are important, or
they'll misinformation that doesn't align with them and they'll get
you know, bad information. You know, you see it all
(38:10):
the time that people are dealing with much different information sets.
Whereas in previous generations, where you'd had let's say, a
walk of Cronkite, he could sort of set the agenda
almost for the nation. But now that you have a
diver you know, a diffusion of news sources you have
you know, even within ideological camps within the left or
within the right, or within you have different views on
(38:32):
different platforms that can be different information.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, The concern I have is that it's out there,
is in the free First Amendment. Obviously there's a reason
why we made it the First Amendment. There's no modification, caveat,
or filter. I'm just concerned in an age where it's
like called the post literacy age, nobody reads books and
(38:57):
most people get all the information on the computer. I
just don't think people have the capacity to filter information.
And I think that's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
True, but I think the argument is who's going to
filter the information? And Yeah, the way you have to
think about is would you want someone who you don't
like filtering the information? Would a left wing person like
a Trump administration be able to filter? Wou a right
wing person want a Biden or a Bomb administration able
to filter the information?
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I would go back to the old FCC and you
were not allowed to use profanity. So my argument would be,
if you have guidelines on in place that basically monitor language,
you know, like threats and fal whatever it is, you
(39:47):
used to have programming around the family time zone.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Right that you couldn't do certain things.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, there's what I'm saying is I don't think I
mean the First Amendment is sacred, but it isn't. It's
you know, it's not like there's other amendments and you
have to strike a balance. So you can't, shouldn't, I think,
say anything you want at any time. And I guess
(40:17):
I'm backing up to get into the information. So if
you're a young person and you're getting pounded by messages
on alcohol and gambling, uh and porn, you know you're online, uh,
and you know you turn on the news and you're
not getting information, you're getting propaganda. How how does a
person filter that? Well, I'm not saying I'm not saying,
(40:41):
you know, deny somebody the First Amendment, right.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
But well, I think I think for there's a difference
between I would say pretty type of restrictions where it's
like this is family viewing hours, you obviously can't show
porn or you can't curse, and I would say ideological
restrictions because the problem with ideological restrictions is that everyone,
(41:07):
you know, you know, everyone will be fine with censuring
the person to disagree with, but they don't want the
person they disagree with able to censor them. So I
think you're in a situation where you have to have
essentially wide ideological gates and then maybe have restrictions for
family viewing ours, kids on social media, those types of things.
But I think you're right. The question is, you know,
(41:30):
gambling is probably the best example of this. We know
that problem gambling exists, that you should be it's not
advisable to gamble well beyond your means. But yet you
what restrictions are we willing to play put in place
for adults. It's their money, it's their choices, and you
can't you can't say you can't restrict every all be
bad behaviors, so you have to I'm more.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Interested in the marketing, the messaging that has no boundaries,
and some of it sublime and some of it's overt.
But you get to a point in my mind, I
don't think there's any guardrails. You can say what you
want anytime when you want. So that notion of having
programming that's children friendly, except you know, PBS or something
(42:18):
of that nature. But uh, you know, I don't know
that there's a solution.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I think I think the middle solution is the cigarette model, right,
which is there's very strict restrictions on advertising with cigarettes,
on the branding, there's like there's health advisories but it's
still legal. Adults can still buy cigarettes. So it's like,
we know it's bad, we know it's addictive, but you're
an adult, so we're gonna restrict you. We're going to
give you the warnings, but then you got to make
(42:45):
a decisions.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
But we're also taxing it heavily for revenue. So you have,
you know, one part of the government, you know, arguing
for cessation, the other one needing the revenue. Right, And
you know, here's here's an example. Alcohol. It's advertised everywhere, yeah, everywhere,
and then it says drink responsible. Right, So that's like saying, uh,
(43:07):
have saved sex, but don't use a condom. I mean,
it's it's counterintuitive. Art. I'm looking at the clock. How
much time do we have?
Speaker 2 (43:15):
About two minutes? Okay, I think I think you're right.
I think I think.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
These South Parts a famous clip on this where they
had basically an alcohol a fake alcohol add where it's
like alcohol is awesome, Alcohol is awesome, hot girls, money,
alcohol and alcohol, and then right at the end, in
real small airs is like please responsibility. That's it. And
you're right, It's like it's like this ridiculous, Like we're
promoting all the best, like all these cool things, and
it's like right at the end, it's like, well, you don't,
(43:40):
don't go crazy. I don't know. The model that people
talk about is the cigarette model of where there's severe restrictions.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Model was reinforced by very brutal commercials. You know, you
don't see that for gaming or alcohol or doping. You know,
you don't see what happens when you engage in these behaviors.
My god. You look at the cigarette commercial, the ones
on with the person speaking through the larnus, and I mean,
(44:12):
I think that's sobering, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Oh yeah no, And when growing up, it was drilled in.
It was drilled in every health class. This is bad.
Maybe we should do that with gaming and all these
other items, I think. But once you get to an
adult level, there there is a level of just hey,
you can make bad choices.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
But the problem is, as successful as we may have
been moving people away from you know, snuff to cigarettes,
my god.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
We're moving them into gambling out yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
They're all vaping. Yeah, all right, So we don't have
a lot of time ard anything before we sign off.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Flyers gotta win tonight.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
They have to win sixer is the same thing, Brian.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I just think both playoffs are great. I've watching I
haven't watched everything, but they're both moving up to the hype.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
All right, look a lot to watch just to defeat
everything we said, watch TV, mindless sports, Watch as much
as you can. Eric Epstein and with Monie O'Brien. We
were produced by Art Selby Show with Sunderdome. The group
is Rocky Capital Shalom. Y'all see you in two weeks.
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