May 5, 2026 • 39 mins
Jon takes a stance on AI having human names and Sam is struggling to stay awake. Jon touches on national headlines. Daveed Gartenstien Ross joins to discuss all things AI and answers a flurry of listener talkbacks.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I just want to say, he's amazing. He's done so much,
I mean so much for.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All of us.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I mean, the backbone of this country is small business,
playing and simple.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And the last guy in.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Office, you know, all we heard was is that we
were the evil people, We were the bad people. Everything
else like that, we don't pay our fair share whatever
that's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
And he made it tough.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And this guy, the big beautiful Bill, absolutely amazing, you
know what I mean, God, bless you for letting.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Me get one appreciation. It really helps out.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And all I can say is this is literally, I
mean I'm a history buff and I know a lot
about this White House thing and everything. Literally, he's going
to go down as maybe the best president ever.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I love this guy. I love your show.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It was quite a bit of funning from Pond stars
Rick Harrison at the Lighthouse. That show was ruined for me,
by the way, when I found out that it was
all on a stage.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Did you know this, Sam oh I did not know that.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yes, there actually is a soundstage that doubles as the
pawnshop where all of the interactions take place.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's not in a real store. What is reel anymore?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Rus you're going to talk about that with David garten
Stein Ross. Little artificial intelligence to chatter that we'll get
into coming up at six thirty this morning here on
Twin City's News Talk.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
My name is John Justice.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I hope you have any fantastic Tuesday morning busy show today.
Do you want to get your questions in early or
you want to get your nick more of a statement,
you want to get your questions in early for David
garten Stein Ross at six point thirty. We do have
a number of stories that we will potentially talk about
with him, including Anoka County. They've deployed a new AI.
(02:05):
It's a new AI dispatcher. Now it's not going to
be answering nine to one calls, but it is going
to be assisting in non emergency calls.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
They named it to Eric.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I want AI entities to have non traditional names.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's just a personal thing for me.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
But like in Star Wars, you know, coming fresh off
the heels of May the fourth, of which I had
a fantastic Star Wars celebration yesterday, today is Revenge of
the of the Fifth. But in Star Wars, you know,
you don't have Jedi John right there is no Darth Sam.
They need to have I think they need to have separate,
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you know, untraditional names. I did that in my Embark series,
although that did frustrate a lot of people because it's
based on Earth, but it's in the future twenty one
seventy two. So I just dispensed with all the normal
names and came up with my own and was like,
why do they have regular names?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
That could be.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Because it's the future and in the future, we don't
have traditional names any anymore. Like Chris, do whatever you want, man,
you wrote the book, and I'm seriously exactly, I can
do whatever I want. I just feel like we need
non traditional names.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
For our ai. That's all I figured.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I bring that up now rather than waste time talking
about it with David all waste time in the opening
segment talking about it. We are going to get into
a little bit more of Mabe Klobeashar and the response
from the GOP in light of her actually acting like
she wants to be governor of the state of Minnesota.
I don't believe that she does. I mean, she wants
to win this election, clearly, but I don't think she
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really wants to be to be governor. I would be
very curious to know what sort of backroom deals were made.
I think she was very happy with her cushy Senate job,
coasting two wins, although she has been losing quite a
bit of ground over the last few election cycles. She's
not quite as popular as she used to be. So
(04:05):
we will talk more about that next hour. Also, the
Senate did pass a gun control measure yesterday. It is
going to die, and it needs to die a painful
death in the House. It looks like it looks like
it's going to But as Rob dor from the Minnesota
Gun Owner's Caucus posted online, they're.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Just making stuff up.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
One portion of the bill requires a fee for each certification,
and the certification is specific to each device, and they
can charge you whatever fee they want and apply it
to each device you register.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It's all just arbitrary. Along a similar path.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
When we talk about Amy Klobishar, we'll get into sort
of what you could expect with a Wall's two point zero,
but it really would be sort of a Wall's two
point zero combination with Abigail Spamburger out of Virginia, in
my opinion. And we'll talk a little bit about the
taxes that they're proposing there, including taxing on exercise. You
(05:09):
want to you want to make yourself healthy, you want
to buy exercise equipment, you want to take exercise classes,
you just want to exercise.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
They're gonna they're gonna tax it. They want to tax everything.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
So this is the same thing with this UH certification
fee in this gun bill. So we'll get into this
later on later on in the hour plus. I want
to hear from you throughout the show this morning. Email
Justice at iHeartRadio dot com. The brand new phone number
is six one two eight six six. Nope, that's the
hotline eight four four nine four six five eight five five.
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Good catch.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The first time I've done that one. I was almost
gonna dump you. John.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Well, they're on the same sheet across the room, and
that's the first time they really should be in two
different they're both in red.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
That yes, that's a problem one should be.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I really should just get up there and just cross
out the hotline so that I don't although I haven't
done it up until this point, and I didn't catch myself, he.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Did all intents and purposes. It's early man.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Eight four four nine four six five eight five five
at least I got some sleep last night. You were
up all night watching the basketball game? Apparently, yes, I was.
I stayed up until almost probably midnight.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But according to the news the games today. Yeah, I know,
we we got to figure that one out. But when did?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Was old?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
What was that about? Wolves? Pulled out the wind?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Though?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's exciting? That is that? You know what?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That that is exciting? I know you Oh hell yeah,
I know you wanted to drop something in earlier on.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I want Yeah, this is what I was going to play.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
That's what that would really confused. That's the point, though,
it's not gotcha all right? Maybe you're too tired to
try to be clever this morning. Probably maybe I should
make sure we're on the air before this morning, are we.
I don't know, I have ever seen any talkbacks yet.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I haven't. Oh I have.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I do have talkbacks that have rolled in, so somebody's
listening to us right now. I do have a bit
of good news. Former New York City Mayor Rudy Juliani
is breathing on his own after being taken off of
a ventilator following being placed on critical condition.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
That is good news, his doctor.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I'm Maria Ryan expensive full recovery despite his condition turning
critical after a trip to Paris. Giuliani, known for his resilience,
has faced healthy challenges in recent years, remains active in
public life. Ted Goldman, a spokesperson for Giuliani, posted on
X yesterday Mayor Rudy Giuliani is the ultimate fighter. And
(07:27):
this comes after he was hospitalized with severe breathing issues,
prompting much concern about his condition. His team had previously
said that he was in critical disabled condition, and now
it turns out that he's actually recovering quite well. I'm
taking off the ventilator. So that's some good news to
share this morning here on Twin City's News Talk. All right,
we will get to some of your comments from the
(07:47):
iHeartRadio app. Your talkbacks are brought to you by Lyndahl.
Real Team Trump seems to be growing impatient once again.
For those that remember, there is a ceasefire still in
place regarding the war in Iran. However, Iran apparently violated
that ceasefire by firings like straight out Americans, so we'll
(08:08):
give you an update on that. And Alabama Tennessee redrawing
their districts after the Supreme Court ruling. We have about
six months to go before we get to the midterms,
and it's anybody's guest right now, what's going to happen
regarding the Supreme Court ruling and the red drawing of
these district lines to benefit the GOP. It is looking
(08:29):
good for Republicans and I'll give you the latest details
regarding that coming up here on Twin Cities News Talk
at AM eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Hello the shout out to Sam this morning. I'm with you,
a buden. I was up till the end. I'm going
to need some extra coffee this morning too, but let's go, Yes, ma'am.
(09:04):
So where are things at with that? Uh so? There
the second So where are we?
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Where?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Where are we in the in the in the playoffs? Here?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yes, So there's four teams left in the Western Conference.
The sumber Wolves are one of the four, obviously, and
last night was Game one of the second round series
with the Spurs in the.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Wolves one game one. So we still have a waste
to go.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Still a ways to go, yes, but we're we're in
the hunts. Oh, absolutely in the hut and Anthony Edwards
came back, So that's a big boost. It's gonna beat
This is gonna be a really fun series. Okay, all right, well,
thanks for the thanks for giving me up to speed there.
I didn't have it Otherwise I would have had to
go and consult Eric the anoka Ai to find out.
But inventially I have the real deal with Sam next
(09:47):
door here on Twin City's News Talk. Pretty sure Eric
from is gonna be much more worthwhile than Eric Oh.
I have no doubt about that. Truer words may not
be spoken on the show. This morning, Iranian forces launched
a cruise, missiles and drones at US Navy ships and
(10:09):
commercial vessels in the Strait of Ormus, violating the ceasefire.
This is me sitting here, not surprised in the least
pit The US military responded by defending the ships and
destroying six Iranian boats. The US is enforcing the blockade
of the Gulf of Oman and protecting a passage through
the Strait of or Moves to allow the free flow
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of commerce. And again there's been a ceasefire in place
as they've attempted to come to some sort of agreement
to have Iran completely stop at any efforts to create
a nuclear weapon, but it simply isn't playing out that way,
and Trump once again seems to be growing impatient talking
about massive air strikes. And this morning on Fox News
(10:54):
there's going to be an update at seven o'clock. We
might bring that to you live.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I haven't.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I got a kind of see where we land on
the prep this morning. But the Secretary of warpete Hegseth,
and a General Kane should be addressing the nation at
seven o'clock.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But there was commentary this morning once again.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Of the potential of the US if we were to
begin heavy strikes within Iran to try to set up
the scenario of the Iranian people to rise up against
this regime, which is what the administration has wanted all along.
The last time they did that, they faced massive armed
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resistance from the tyrannical Iranian regime and thousands were murdered.
The hope is that we can reduce the capacity of
the Iranian regime and essentially keep them from having that
happen again when.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
The people go and rise up.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
So that's kind of where we're at right now regarding
Operation Epic Fury, our own little Epic Fury, meaning Democrats' upset.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Taking place. After the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Ruling striking down drawing of congressional districts based off of
racial lines, Republican governors in Alabama and Tennessee have summoned
let the summoning begin lawmakers into special sessions this week
seeking new congressional districts. After that Supreme Court ruling weakened
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the key provision of the Vote of Voting Rights Acts.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Oh hell yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
The decision striking down the majority black congressional district in
Louisiana said the drawing of the district map relied too
much on race. The ruling began reverberating through state houses
across the South as Republicans eyed the possibility of getting
new lines in place for the twenty twenty six midterms, or.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
At least twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
So right now, barring just remove any stalls within the courts,
now that's going to happen. So we're going to hang
out in an alternate universe for just a moment. If
there weren't to any court challenges, and the states that
could go and redraw their districts to make them fair,
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not jerry mandard, which is what the Democrats had done
in these states.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
If we just moved forward, read.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Through the districts, and then conducted the men term elections,
Republicans win everything. They don't lose power, and by a lot. Now,
you and I both know that's not going to happen.
A lot of this is going to get tied up
in court. You'll have a smaller court. Mostly it's going
to fall on partisan political lines, but you'll have smaller
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courts probably going and knocking down the redistricting.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It'll get kicked up to upper courts.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
The upper courts will hopefully go and hold the redistricting
in place. I don't know how Democrats go and argue
back to jerrymandering.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Based off of the Supreme Court ruling. I mean, I
don't put.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
It past democrats to figure out a way or to
say the districts are now too white. But it's a
very difficult position for Democrats to be in to attempt
to justify just how ridiculous those districts were and why
the Supreme Court ended up ruling the way that it did.
Trump encouraged the latest round of redistricting in a post
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on social media, saying the party couldn't gain twenty seats
in the House now Florida approved in new districts. The
day before the Supreme Court ruling, Louisiana moved quickly to
postpone it's May sixteenth congressional primary, drawing lawsuits from Democrats
and civil rights leaders.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Senator Rafae L.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Warnock Out of Georgia described the court decision and the
redistricting scramble as an attempt to roll back.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
The civil rights movement.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Of course, they said, we're going to allow partisan politicians
to jerry manders so that even when you show up,
your voice won't have as much impact because we'll play
with the lines. Now your voice has exactly the same impact.
You still get to vote. That vote still matters just
as much in a redrawn district as it did the
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older gerrymandered district. But now they're actually drawn in such
a way to where it provides fairness for everybody. He
went on to say, this isn't a new method. That's
an old method. That's a Jim Crow method. They just
love to go back to that. That is such a
tired argument at this point in time that I don't
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even think it carries the weight. I don't think most
gen zers are even like a where they just hear
Jim Crow and they think it's negative, but they don't
even bother to go and look it up.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I'm not saying it's a good thing. No, of course
it's not. That.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Being said, the Democrats continue to use that argument over
and over again. I just don't think it carries the
weight that it might have, say, you know, ten years ago.
So we'll see how this plays out. We have six months,
and there is a possibility that a lot of this
could be caught up in courts wherein we may not
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even know the results of the midterms until well after
these decisions are made, and what that means for those
elections remains in flux as well. All Right, I see
you already have some questions rolling in from the iHeart
Radio app for da Vida Gartenstein Ross. Any questions that
you have regarding artificial intelligence this morning. Get those questions
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in to iHeartRadio and the app. Also you can email
me Justice at iHeartRadio dot com. And as I mentioned earlier,
Eric is the new Anoka AI officials are explaining the
new program for receiving non emergency calls, and one of
the questions I'll ask David is you know how long
will it be until we have artificial intelligence actually taking
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over for nine to one one calls along with your
questions as well here on twins Today's News Talk at
AM eleven thirty and one oh three five FM. All right,
before we get to are AI analyst and expert David
Gartzensteiner Ossity have a couple of comments that have rolled
in based off of the opening segments of Tuesday show.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Here on twinnd City's News Talk at AM eleven thirty
and one h three five FM on the.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Issue of the Supreme Court ruling and redistricting, and specifically
the Georgia Democrat comments.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
That's funny words coming from a Democrat, Raphael Warnock, that
the Supreme Court decision will roll back the Civil Rights Amendment. Well,
Warnock should know that Democrats blocked the Civil Rights Amendment
in nineteen sixty four, particularly Al Gore's father, Al Gore Sr.
Blocked it and it was Republicans that passed the Civil
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Rights Amendment of nineteen sixty four, which Raphael Warnock has benefited.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Frome, You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, if only they still taught this in schools, The
actual history of what transpired here in the United States,
things would I think you've taught history accurately, things would
be much much different.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
All Right, a couple more and then we'll talk with David.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Good morning, John, Rob from Winald Wakes.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Just wondering if you.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Saw President Trump's post about Star Wars Day yesterday as
he was aied.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
As the Mandalorian. If you've not, please check it out.
It's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Believe it was the White House's x account that posted
that have a good day.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
If this administration is anything, they are entertaining. I love
how they embrace modern culture and pop culture and in
typical leftist fashion. People were complaining about some of the
videos that the White House account was posting celebrating Made
the Fourth Be with You in Star Wars Day, saying
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the quality on the videos wasn't good. It was low fi,
so typical for the for the White House, there's no max.
There is no making people happy in including this listener.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Hey, John, is there anybody running with the mantra called
I'm going to charge every politician that's dirty with fraud
and treason and hang them from the highest tree and
put it in a public square so we all know
people were held accountable. Is there anybody running like that,
because I will vote for that guy. I thought Trump
(19:27):
was that guy.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
He did a joke of a human being. So is
there anybody, No.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
There isn't anybody that's running on that because that would
be insane.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
I don't know what alternate universe you're currently living in
where you would have any expectation whatsoever, So that would
actually happen in modern times.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
But could you imagine that campaign commercial? By the way,
I could, absolutely, we could. Thank you for the comment though.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
From the iHeartRadio app here on Twin Cities News Talk
Am eleven thirty one oh three five FM, the CEO
of Expert Theory, David Gartenstein Ross joins us.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So once again, good morning, David. How are we doing?
Speaker 9 (20:15):
I am Juden, great John always good to listen to
some talkbacks before I come on here.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So we do have a lot of questions that have
rolled in before we get to that, though, I do
want to get to a local story. It's a quick
one Anoka County, which is the county where I reside
and many of our listeners do as well. Their nine
to one to one dispatch center receives more than a
thousand calls every day, two thirds, though, are not actual emergencies.
The new AI dispatcher, named Eric, is designed to handle
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those non emergency calls. Devide I mentioned this at the
start of the show. It's it's just completely off to
the side and not important. But I really do wish
that we were naming our AI in non traditional names
and not human names. It's just a personal it's just
a personal thing, you know, like Star Wars you don't have,
as I mentioned earlier, you don't have like Jedi Sam,
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you don't have Darth John. I just feel like our
AI needs to be differentiated between from us and humans.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
But maybe that's just maybe that's just me. I hear
what you're saying.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
But I prefer my AI to have relatable names, right
like that, That's why they call them Eric. My own
LLLM is name Gary after Gary Kasparov, the chest champne okay,
But like people like their AI to have relatable names
because AI is so alien, and I think generally speaking,
most people are somewhat frightened by AI for a variety
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of reasons. So the fact that the thing that frightened
you as a relatable name is you know, at least
something that makes it seem less threatening when you refer
to it in conversation.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
In my defense, I didn't say it was a good idea.
I just say it was an idea. So I have
a question with this though. So they say that we're training.
They're training Eric the AI to answer just like they
would to ask the same questions. This is according to
the Nooka County Emergency Communications Director. I can ask questions like, Okay,
can you just confirm your name and location of what
time of parking violation are you reporting? AI will only
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answer if you call the ten digit non emergency number.
If you call that line with a real emergency, it
will connect you to a human operator. My question is
I assume if it can't already, and it may be
able to, but I assume that AI will eventually be
able to handle nine one one calls and recognize concern
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within the inflection of the individual calling. Would you anticipate
that what happened in the future.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
Absolutely, I think that with its current capabilities you could
do so. But you know, when people look at AI
making errors for something like that, it's going to be
scrutinized much more highly than human error, Right, now, and
so I think that they're first trying to get the
error writ down as much as possible. AI is prone
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to flaws and hallucinations. That rate has decreased significantly. I
would suggest that as of today, humans are prone to
more hallucination or more inaccuracy than AI is. AI would
probably be a better nine one one operator, in my opinion,
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than the average human. That being said, people who become
nine one one operators are not the average human. They
have better skills than most people do in that regard.
But I think that having if you look at the
cost of the program of having the AI handle non
emergency calls, it's only sixty thousand dollars a year that
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that to me is a strikingly low figure for handling
that volume of calls. And one the answer just everybody
does all of your listeners if they have for a
few free moments, and who doesn't is put an AI
into voice mode, have a conversation with it, and just
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track what it does well versus what it doesn't do well.
AI is a very good conversation partner today, and what
it does better than most people is it will take
disorganized thoughts organize them to get the sense of what
you're saying, and it will have very good recall without
having to ask you again and again what you had said.
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In other words, unlike people when you speak to them,
it doesn't forget what is part of the thread of conversation.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
It is a very very good conversation. Partner, job talking.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
With David gartan Stein Rossi is the CEO of Expert
Theory and an AI analyst and expert. All right, David,
let's get to the questions from the iHeart radio app
on talkbacks and as we move forward, da Vid. Unless
you have difficulty hearing one of the talkbacks when they're
done asking the question, feel free to just jump right
on in an answer as we move through these.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
All right, perfect, Good morning, John, al.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Is there a chance that AI becomes so advanced that
it makes its own decisions and it doesn't need humans
anymore and it just evolves into its own essentially being,
It just exists and can think and feel essentially.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
There is indeed a chance.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
This is in part what the discussion of artificial general
intelligence is about. And we hear more about artificial general
intelligence or AGI all the time. What AGI indicates is
where it's referring to a state where AI matches or
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surpasses human cognitive abilities across a wide range of tasks.
Right now, AI is referred to as narrow as opposed
to general AI. It's designed for specific jobs, whereas AGI
can learn, reason, adapt, and apply knowledge to unfamiliar situations
that in a way similar to a human with AGI,
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it will be able to teach itself about learning and
just engage in a wide range of things, including code itself.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
And we're getting closer and closer to this.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
Right if you pay attention to the reasoning ability of AI,
to the coding ability of AI, we are clearly moving
closer to artificial general intelligence. That there still remain sort
of skeptics of it. And the implication of doing what
the listener said, which is AI making its own decisions,
not needing humans, essentially being a thinking and feeling being,
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those implications are tremendous, and honestly, they are rather frightening.
This is where the terminator example that people used to
joke about become.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
While not exactly correct, kind of correct.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
One of the most entertaining aspects on a recent rewatch
of Steven Spielberg's AI, which was kind of a tough rewatch.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I hadn't watched it in a while.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I owned the Blu ray, and just given the way
that it was it was made and Spielberg taking it over,
there's a lot of production issues when it comes to
that film. But the part of it that I enjoyed
the most was the end of the movie where we jump.
We take a huge leap forward in time to where
the AI has actually taken over and humanity has fallen
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by the by the wayside. It's it's a really interesting
interpretation and a vision of you know what, Spielberg and
the writers of that film sort of said that this
was their expectation of where AI could eventually go. I
find that the most entertaining part of that film.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah. I actually haven't watched Alde to Oh my god. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
I mean there's a few film key films that I
just haven't seen.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
But happily, John, I have watched Science.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
We'll have to renew that debate one day in the future. Absolutely,
I have actually a very different take on the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Than I used to.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
Oh interesting, all right, Yeah, it'll be a good conversation.
We should absolutely have it. I actually would would love that. Okay,
John for initiated listeners.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Go ahead. I'm just going to say Ford initiated listeners.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Science is a Mel Gibson movie about an alien invasion
where aliens who are allergic to water come down and
invade Earth, back punching people, and they don't know how
to open doors.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
About a decade basic premise of the movie.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And about a decade ago, Davide and I had a
debate on it, of which I failed miserably because I
love that film. So I'm very curious to see how
your opinion may have changed over the years. Let's get
back to the to the talkback question from the iHeartRadio
app John.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
This question is about a month late Ken bad comment
on how AI would have been used in the rescue
of the pilots in Iran.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
So it's a great question.
Speaker 9 (29:12):
Obviously, I don't know the specifics of the answer, or
else I wouldn't be able to speak about it here,
but generally speaking, AI is incorporated into the range of
intelligence processes. Earlier, I was talking about what AI tends
to be better at than people. It's really good at
collating information, collating signals, intelligence to spot patterns and to
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do things like those that were important to the rescue mission,
pinpointing a location, helping to go through courses of action
for a rescue mission and planning for it, and to
look at contingencies. I don't know specifically where AI was integrated,
but we could all be very confident that AI was
absolutely a part of that planting cycle.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
AI becomes its own SOLF aware entity and become lipar.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
This one's a little hard to hear us all. I'll
go ahead and just read the transcript. They're wondering if
AI does become self aware, and if it were to
become nefarious, could it be shut down? I mean, would
you be able to simply pull the plug on AI
were it to begin to act inappropriately? For lack of
(30:23):
a better way to describe it, to be such a
good question, right, It's kind of like I'm playing the Internet, right,
I Mean, like, what we're really talking about is so
a it depends, right, you could already make some AI
agents nefarious, but here.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
We're talking about an entire AI.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
System, an AI system becoming nefarious.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
How do you shut it down? Right?
Speaker 9 (30:49):
Like, if we're talking about a basically a super intelligence
that's been able to code itself, that's smarter than human
beings that doesn't tie it, and that has basically penetrated
a vast array of digital systems. What's the center of
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gravity where it can be shut down? Like, I don't
think that we like when you step back for a second,
and this will actually be a great topic for me
to create a game on. But like a super intelligence
that you're trying to shut down, presents multiple authority problems.
There's a book by Max Tenmark called Life three point zero,
(31:33):
and early in the book it talks about an AI
that's potentially nefarious and how it could you potentially break
out of the box. He imagines that there are humans
guarding it, and it would be able to It would
be able to learn everything about those humans. It would
be able to impersonate loved ones, even maybe dead loved
ones say that they want to talk to them, probe
(31:55):
for vulnerabilities, And that's just kind of if you were
keeping it in a box and having human scar it.
We're talking about in this case, an AI that becomes
self aware, that's super intelligent, and suddenly we realize that
it's become nefarious among other things. If it's that smart,
don't you think it would take a while and get
itself into a good position before revealing its cards, and
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the fact that it's the farious.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That sounds like a good movie to put into a
prompt to have AI create.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I like that idea or story I should say. So
let's get to the next question here on Twinsday's news
Talk for.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Devid, Good morning guys, friend of this show, Dave from
Howard Lake.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
This question is for David.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I've been doing work on AI control the autonomous weapons systems,
and I want his thoughts about if such a system
should be banned and what would be the legality of
a system comminion a crime against humanity underneath international law?
Who would be responsible? And I also think China and
Russell will never agree to a ban. I thank you
(33:00):
a good day by Yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:03):
I agree that China and Russia would never agree to
a ban. It's possible that the US wouldn't either.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
I don't have an opinion as to whether such a
band should be issued, simply because my view doesn't mean
much on this, but it is a big, big debate
that's out there. You know, autonomous weapons are subject to
international humanitarian law. They are not prohibited by any international
treaty and they've been deployed in very limited cases. South Korea,
(33:36):
for example, deployed an autonomous weapons system on its border
at one point in time to much controversy. And the
idea is that AI autonomous systems are you know, can
kill fast. They don't necessarily have you know, a human's
(33:58):
inhibitions to kill. And obviously we've seen that humans can
commit a great deal of atrocities themselves. And so there's
this debate about meaningful human control. There's a faction that
argues that there should be a human in the loop.
There are others who argue for autonomous weapons. We should
(34:19):
mention this that proponents say that AI can increase precision
and reduce casualties, opponent's fear that they'll cause unintended harm,
like a lot of other things. This is a significant debate,
and I think that if you're catching what overarching theme
of today's conversation, John, is that there are these big
issues that are literally just around the corner at looming
(34:42):
with respect to AI, that I think people just have
it gained through more than one or two lines deep
with AI.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Right now, talking with David Gartenstein Ross, the CEO at
Expert Theory, as as we talk AI here on Twdnesday's
News Talk every Tuesday. When it comes to AI that
we're using on a daily basis, like it's kind of
embedded in so many different aspects of the websites that
we go to or our emails. I mean, these are
(35:11):
all singular AI setups that are basically just waiting for
us to engage with them. They don't have the ability
to start doing things on their own, correct. I mean
that's where you get into the autonomous aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Right now, it's kind.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Of dormant until we as humans begin to interact with it.
Am I? Am I right with that? With that assumption there,
Devid a bit, but it's becoming more and more autonomous.
Speaker 9 (35:36):
Right If you look at your Claude for your desktop,
for example, it can go through your emails on its
own without you asking it to, right.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
This is what AI agents are.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
They functioned as assistants and they're desired to serve your needs.
But they can ask without they can act without you
specifically telling them to take action.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Okay, let's try to sneak in a couple more questions
here for Devid Gartenstein Ross.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Question for David, how easy would it be for AI
to construct a social credit score for everyone based on
the fact that we log in with our personal email addresses,
and it keeps track of everything that we ask it,
whether it's for work, social, or entertainment purposes. Could this
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somehow be used against us as a populace.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
You can be sure that AI is already being used
to create a social credit system in China. China, as
you do. How's a social credit system? How do they
keep you track of this? Certainly? Certainly the way they're
doing it today is AI. Could it be used against us? Absolutely?
This could be used against us. Absolutely it could.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
David.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Let's wrap on a lighter note from NBC. If you've
duped by AI, you are not alone. The Real Housewives
of Beverly Hills a show which I have never watched it,
by the way, it's star Kathy Hilton revealed that she
tried the Jello diet, which she thought was endorsed by
Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Obama, Kelly Clarkson, and doctor memmot Oz,
(37:19):
and it left her bloated and regretful. It turns out
that those celebrities aren't actually supporters of.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
The diet, but AI versions of them.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Are rendered by artificial intelligence and created to convince consumers
to spend money on this so called jello diet that
this reality show star ended up falling for. I don't
really have a question de vid. I just thought one
that it was kind of funny that somebody tried to
go on a jello diet and thought it was actually legit. However,
(37:48):
it is a cautionary tale to make sure that you
research that which you think is being pedled to you,
potentially by celebrities, because AI has gotten to the point
now where a lot of people cannot tell the difference anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
We've talked about quite a bit on the show.
Speaker 9 (38:02):
I also think it points to a basic advantage that
conservatives have in twenty twenty six because Oprah Winfrey, Michelle
Obaba just that not that much of a draw.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Oh, it's an interesting point to Vie, Devid Gartzanstein Ross.
As always, I thank you for the time this morning.
If you have any questions for a DEVI that we
did not get in and you'd like to get those
in between now and when we talk next week, feel
free to drop me an email Justice at iHeartRadio dot com,
and I'm always willing to go and forward those off
to dav David, thank you for the time this morning.
(38:36):
I hope you have a fantastic week, my friend YouTube job.
Until next time.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Coming up, I.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Want to revisit a story that we didn't get a
chance to completely break down from the Minnesota Star Tribune.
We're all drowning the claim by the Walls administration that
the fraud allegations are swamping the state investigators. Basically, they're
saying we just don't have a staff to deal with
all of the fraud, which I find interesting because according
(39:04):
to Walls, in so many comments that he's made, we
weren't dealing with that much fraud. Also an admission of
failure Republicans slamming Amy Klobashar as she introduced her plan
to combat fraud. And we'll get to more of your
comments from the iHeartRadio app brought to you by Lyndahl Realty.
Coming up on Twin Cities News Talk at AM eleven
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I just want to say, he's amazing. He's done so much,
I mean so much for.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All of us.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I mean, the backbone of this country is small business,
playing and simple.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And the last guy in.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Office, you know, all we heard was is that we
were the evil people, We were the bad people. Everything
else like that, we don't pay our fair share whatever
that's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
And he made it tough.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And this guy, the big beautiful Bill, absolutely amazing, you
know what I mean, God, bless you for letting.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Me get one appreciation. It really helps out.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And all I can say is this is literally, I
mean I'm a history buff and I know a lot
about this White House thing and everything. Literally, he's going
to go down as maybe the best president ever.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I love this guy. I love your show.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It was quite a bit of funning from Pond stars
Rick Harrison at the Lighthouse. That show was ruined for me,
by the way, when I found out that it was
all on a stage.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Did you know this, Sam oh I did not know that.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yes, there actually is a soundstage that doubles as the
pawnshop where all of the interactions take place.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's not in a real store. What is reel anymore?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Rus you're going to talk about that with David garten
Stein Ross. Little artificial intelligence to chatter that we'll get
into coming up at six thirty this morning here on
Twin City's News Talk.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
My name is John Justice.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I hope you have any fantastic Tuesday morning busy show today.
Do you want to get your questions in early or
you want to get your nick more of a statement,
you want to get your questions in early for David
garten Stein Ross at six point thirty. We do have
a number of stories that we will potentially talk about
with him, including Anoka County. They've deployed a new AI.
(02:05):
It's a new AI dispatcher. Now it's not going to
be answering nine to one calls, but it is going
to be assisting in non emergency calls.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
They named it to Eric.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I want AI entities to have non traditional names.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's just a personal thing for me.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
But like in Star Wars, you know, coming fresh off
the heels of May the fourth, of which I had
a fantastic Star Wars celebration yesterday, today is Revenge of
the of the Fifth. But in Star Wars, you know,
you don't have Jedi John right there is no Darth Sam.
They need to have I think they need to have separate,
(02:50):
you know, untraditional names. I did that in my Embark series,
although that did frustrate a lot of people because it's
based on Earth, but it's in the future twenty one
seventy two. So I just dispensed with all the normal
names and came up with my own and was like,
why do they have regular names?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
That could be.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Because it's the future and in the future, we don't
have traditional names any anymore. Like Chris, do whatever you want, man,
you wrote the book, and I'm seriously exactly, I can
do whatever I want. I just feel like we need
non traditional names.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
For our ai. That's all I figured.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
I bring that up now rather than waste time talking
about it with David all waste time in the opening
segment talking about it. We are going to get into
a little bit more of Mabe Klobeashar and the response
from the GOP in light of her actually acting like
she wants to be governor of the state of Minnesota.
I don't believe that she does. I mean, she wants
to win this election, clearly, but I don't think she
(03:44):
really wants to be to be governor. I would be
very curious to know what sort of backroom deals were made.
I think she was very happy with her cushy Senate job,
coasting two wins, although she has been losing quite a
bit of ground over the last few election cycles. She's
not quite as popular as she used to be. So
(04:05):
we will talk more about that next hour. Also, the
Senate did pass a gun control measure yesterday. It is
going to die, and it needs to die a painful
death in the House. It looks like it looks like
it's going to But as Rob dor from the Minnesota
Gun Owner's Caucus posted online, they're.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Just making stuff up.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
One portion of the bill requires a fee for each certification,
and the certification is specific to each device, and they
can charge you whatever fee they want and apply it
to each device you register.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It's all just arbitrary. Along a similar path.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
When we talk about Amy Klobishar, we'll get into sort
of what you could expect with a Wall's two point zero,
but it really would be sort of a Wall's two
point zero combination with Abigail Spamburger out of Virginia, in
my opinion. And we'll talk a little bit about the
taxes that they're proposing there, including taxing on exercise. You
(05:09):
want to you want to make yourself healthy, you want
to buy exercise equipment, you want to take exercise classes,
you just want to exercise.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
They're gonna they're gonna tax it. They want to tax everything.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
So this is the same thing with this UH certification
fee in this gun bill. So we'll get into this
later on later on in the hour plus. I want
to hear from you throughout the show this morning. Email
Justice at iHeartRadio dot com. The brand new phone number
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Good catch.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The first time I've done that one. I was almost
gonna dump you. John.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Well, they're on the same sheet across the room, and
that's the first time they really should be in two
different they're both in red.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
That yes, that's a problem one should be.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I really should just get up there and just cross
out the hotline so that I don't although I haven't
done it up until this point, and I didn't catch myself, he.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Did all intents and purposes. It's early man.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Eight four four nine four six five eight five five
at least I got some sleep last night. You were
up all night watching the basketball game? Apparently, yes, I was.
I stayed up until almost probably midnight.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But according to the news the games today. Yeah, I know,
we we got to figure that one out. But when did?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Was old?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
What was that about? Wolves? Pulled out the wind?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Though?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's exciting? That is that? You know what?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That that is exciting? I know you Oh hell yeah,
I know you wanted to drop something in earlier on.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I want Yeah, this is what I was going to play.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
That's what that would really confused. That's the point, though,
it's not gotcha all right? Maybe you're too tired to
try to be clever this morning. Probably maybe I should
make sure we're on the air before this morning, are we.
I don't know, I have ever seen any talkbacks yet.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I haven't. Oh I have.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I do have talkbacks that have rolled in, so somebody's
listening to us right now. I do have a bit
of good news. Former New York City Mayor Rudy Juliani
is breathing on his own after being taken off of
a ventilator following being placed on critical condition.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
That is good news, his doctor.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I'm Maria Ryan expensive full recovery despite his condition turning
critical after a trip to Paris. Giuliani, known for his resilience,
has faced healthy challenges in recent years, remains active in
public life. Ted Goldman, a spokesperson for Giuliani, posted on
X yesterday Mayor Rudy Giuliani is the ultimate fighter. And
(07:27):
this comes after he was hospitalized with severe breathing issues,
prompting much concern about his condition. His team had previously
said that he was in critical disabled condition, and now
it turns out that he's actually recovering quite well. I'm
taking off the ventilator. So that's some good news to
share this morning here on Twin City's News Talk. All right,
we will get to some of your comments from the
(07:47):
iHeartRadio app. Your talkbacks are brought to you by Lyndahl.
Real Team Trump seems to be growing impatient once again.
For those that remember, there is a ceasefire still in
place regarding the war in Iran. However, Iran apparently violated
that ceasefire by firings like straight out Americans, so we'll
(08:08):
give you an update on that. And Alabama Tennessee redrawing
their districts after the Supreme Court ruling. We have about
six months to go before we get to the midterms,
and it's anybody's guest right now, what's going to happen
regarding the Supreme Court ruling and the red drawing of
these district lines to benefit the GOP. It is looking
(08:29):
good for Republicans and I'll give you the latest details
regarding that coming up here on Twin Cities News Talk
at AM eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Hello the shout out to Sam this morning. I'm with you,
a buden. I was up till the end. I'm going
to need some extra coffee this morning too, but let's go, Yes, ma'am.
(09:04):
So where are things at with that? Uh so? There
the second So where are we?
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Where?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Where are we in the in the in the playoffs? Here?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yes, So there's four teams left in the Western Conference.
The sumber Wolves are one of the four, obviously, and
last night was Game one of the second round series
with the Spurs in the.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Wolves one game one. So we still have a waste
to go.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Still a ways to go, yes, but we're we're in
the hunts. Oh, absolutely in the hut and Anthony Edwards
came back, So that's a big boost. It's gonna beat
This is gonna be a really fun series. Okay, all right, well,
thanks for the thanks for giving me up to speed there.
I didn't have it Otherwise I would have had to
go and consult Eric the anoka Ai to find out.
But inventially I have the real deal with Sam next
(09:47):
door here on Twin City's News Talk. Pretty sure Eric
from is gonna be much more worthwhile than Eric Oh.
I have no doubt about that. Truer words may not
be spoken on the show. This morning, Iranian forces launched
a cruise, missiles and drones at US Navy ships and
(10:09):
commercial vessels in the Strait of Ormus, violating the ceasefire.
This is me sitting here, not surprised in the least
pit The US military responded by defending the ships and
destroying six Iranian boats. The US is enforcing the blockade
of the Gulf of Oman and protecting a passage through
the Strait of or Moves to allow the free flow
(10:32):
of commerce. And again there's been a ceasefire in place
as they've attempted to come to some sort of agreement
to have Iran completely stop at any efforts to create
a nuclear weapon, but it simply isn't playing out that way,
and Trump once again seems to be growing impatient talking
about massive air strikes. And this morning on Fox News
(10:54):
there's going to be an update at seven o'clock. We
might bring that to you live.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I haven't.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I got a kind of see where we land on
the prep this morning. But the Secretary of warpete Hegseth,
and a General Kane should be addressing the nation at
seven o'clock.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But there was commentary this morning once again.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Of the potential of the US if we were to
begin heavy strikes within Iran to try to set up
the scenario of the Iranian people to rise up against
this regime, which is what the administration has wanted all along.
The last time they did that, they faced massive armed
(11:37):
resistance from the tyrannical Iranian regime and thousands were murdered.
The hope is that we can reduce the capacity of
the Iranian regime and essentially keep them from having that
happen again when.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
The people go and rise up.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
So that's kind of where we're at right now regarding
Operation Epic Fury, our own little Epic Fury, meaning Democrats' upset.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Taking place. After the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Ruling striking down drawing of congressional districts based off of
racial lines, Republican governors in Alabama and Tennessee have summoned
let the summoning begin lawmakers into special sessions this week
seeking new congressional districts. After that Supreme Court ruling weakened
(12:24):
the key provision of the Vote of Voting Rights Acts.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Oh hell yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
The decision striking down the majority black congressional district in
Louisiana said the drawing of the district map relied too
much on race. The ruling began reverberating through state houses
across the South as Republicans eyed the possibility of getting
new lines in place for the twenty twenty six midterms, or.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
At least twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
So right now, barring just remove any stalls within the courts,
now that's going to happen. So we're going to hang
out in an alternate universe for just a moment. If
there weren't to any court challenges, and the states that
could go and redraw their districts to make them fair,
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not jerry mandard, which is what the Democrats had done
in these states.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
If we just moved forward, read.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Through the districts, and then conducted the men term elections,
Republicans win everything. They don't lose power, and by a lot. Now,
you and I both know that's not going to happen.
A lot of this is going to get tied up
in court. You'll have a smaller court. Mostly it's going
to fall on partisan political lines, but you'll have smaller
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courts probably going and knocking down the redistricting.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It'll get kicked up to upper courts.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
The upper courts will hopefully go and hold the redistricting
in place. I don't know how Democrats go and argue
back to jerrymandering.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Based off of the Supreme Court ruling. I mean, I
don't put.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
It past democrats to figure out a way or to
say the districts are now too white. But it's a
very difficult position for Democrats to be in to attempt
to justify just how ridiculous those districts were and why
the Supreme Court ended up ruling the way that it did.
Trump encouraged the latest round of redistricting in a post
(14:21):
on social media, saying the party couldn't gain twenty seats
in the House now Florida approved in new districts. The
day before the Supreme Court ruling, Louisiana moved quickly to
postpone it's May sixteenth congressional primary, drawing lawsuits from Democrats
and civil rights leaders.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Senator Rafae L.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Warnock Out of Georgia described the court decision and the
redistricting scramble as an attempt to roll back.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
The civil rights movement.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Of course, they said, we're going to allow partisan politicians
to jerry manders so that even when you show up,
your voice won't have as much impact because we'll play
with the lines. Now your voice has exactly the same impact.
You still get to vote. That vote still matters just
as much in a redrawn district as it did the
(15:08):
older gerrymandered district. But now they're actually drawn in such
a way to where it provides fairness for everybody. He
went on to say, this isn't a new method. That's
an old method. That's a Jim Crow method. They just
love to go back to that. That is such a
tired argument at this point in time that I don't
(15:30):
even think it carries the weight. I don't think most
gen zers are even like a where they just hear
Jim Crow and they think it's negative, but they don't
even bother to go and look it up.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I'm not saying it's a good thing. No, of course
it's not. That.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Being said, the Democrats continue to use that argument over
and over again. I just don't think it carries the
weight that it might have, say, you know, ten years ago.
So we'll see how this plays out. We have six months,
and there is a possibility that a lot of this
could be caught up in courts wherein we may not
(16:06):
even know the results of the midterms until well after
these decisions are made, and what that means for those
elections remains in flux as well. All Right, I see
you already have some questions rolling in from the iHeart
Radio app for da Vida Gartenstein Ross. Any questions that
you have regarding artificial intelligence this morning. Get those questions
(16:27):
in to iHeartRadio and the app. Also you can email
me Justice at iHeartRadio dot com. And as I mentioned earlier,
Eric is the new Anoka AI officials are explaining the
new program for receiving non emergency calls, and one of
the questions I'll ask David is you know how long
will it be until we have artificial intelligence actually taking
(16:48):
over for nine to one one calls along with your
questions as well here on twins Today's News Talk at
AM eleven thirty and one oh three five FM. All right,
before we get to are AI analyst and expert David
Gartzensteiner Ossity have a couple of comments that have rolled
in based off of the opening segments of Tuesday show.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Here on twinnd City's News Talk at AM eleven thirty
and one h three five FM on the.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Issue of the Supreme Court ruling and redistricting, and specifically
the Georgia Democrat comments.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
That's funny words coming from a Democrat, Raphael Warnock, that
the Supreme Court decision will roll back the Civil Rights Amendment. Well,
Warnock should know that Democrats blocked the Civil Rights Amendment
in nineteen sixty four, particularly Al Gore's father, Al Gore Sr.
Blocked it and it was Republicans that passed the Civil
(17:44):
Rights Amendment of nineteen sixty four, which Raphael Warnock has benefited.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Frome, You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, if only they still taught this in schools, The
actual history of what transpired here in the United States,
things would I think you've taught history accurately, things would
be much much different.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
All Right, a couple more and then we'll talk with David.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Good morning, John, Rob from Winald Wakes.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Just wondering if you.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Saw President Trump's post about Star Wars Day yesterday as
he was aied.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
As the Mandalorian. If you've not, please check it out.
It's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Believe it was the White House's x account that posted
that have a good day.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
If this administration is anything, they are entertaining. I love
how they embrace modern culture and pop culture and in
typical leftist fashion. People were complaining about some of the
videos that the White House account was posting celebrating Made
the Fourth Be with You in Star Wars Day, saying
(18:49):
the quality on the videos wasn't good. It was low fi,
so typical for the for the White House, there's no max.
There is no making people happy in including this listener.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Hey, John, is there anybody running with the mantra called
I'm going to charge every politician that's dirty with fraud
and treason and hang them from the highest tree and
put it in a public square so we all know
people were held accountable. Is there anybody running like that,
because I will vote for that guy. I thought Trump
(19:27):
was that guy.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
He did a joke of a human being. So is
there anybody, No.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
There isn't anybody that's running on that because that would
be insane.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
I don't know what alternate universe you're currently living in
where you would have any expectation whatsoever, So that would
actually happen in modern times.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
But could you imagine that campaign commercial? By the way,
I could, absolutely, we could. Thank you for the comment though.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
From the iHeartRadio app here on Twin Cities News Talk
Am eleven thirty one oh three five FM, the CEO
of Expert Theory, David Gartenstein Ross joins us.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
So once again, good morning, David. How are we doing?
Speaker 9 (20:15):
I am Juden, great John always good to listen to
some talkbacks before I come on here.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
So we do have a lot of questions that have
rolled in before we get to that, though, I do
want to get to a local story. It's a quick
one Anoka County, which is the county where I reside
and many of our listeners do as well. Their nine
to one to one dispatch center receives more than a
thousand calls every day, two thirds, though, are not actual emergencies.
The new AI dispatcher, named Eric, is designed to handle
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those non emergency calls. Devide I mentioned this at the
start of the show. It's it's just completely off to
the side and not important. But I really do wish
that we were naming our AI in non traditional names
and not human names. It's just a personal it's just
a personal thing, you know, like Star Wars you don't have,
as I mentioned earlier, you don't have like Jedi Sam,
(21:03):
you don't have Darth John. I just feel like our
AI needs to be differentiated between from us and humans.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
But maybe that's just maybe that's just me. I hear
what you're saying.
Speaker 9 (21:13):
But I prefer my AI to have relatable names, right
like that, That's why they call them Eric. My own
LLLM is name Gary after Gary Kasparov, the chest champne okay,
But like people like their AI to have relatable names
because AI is so alien, and I think generally speaking,
most people are somewhat frightened by AI for a variety
(21:34):
of reasons. So the fact that the thing that frightened
you as a relatable name is you know, at least
something that makes it seem less threatening when you refer
to it in conversation.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
In my defense, I didn't say it was a good idea.
I just say it was an idea. So I have
a question with this though. So they say that we're training.
They're training Eric the AI to answer just like they
would to ask the same questions. This is according to
the Nooka County Emergency Communications Director. I can ask questions like, Okay,
can you just confirm your name and location of what
time of parking violation are you reporting? AI will only
(22:07):
answer if you call the ten digit non emergency number.
If you call that line with a real emergency, it
will connect you to a human operator. My question is
I assume if it can't already, and it may be
able to, but I assume that AI will eventually be
able to handle nine one one calls and recognize concern
(22:28):
within the inflection of the individual calling. Would you anticipate
that what happened in the future.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
Absolutely, I think that with its current capabilities you could
do so. But you know, when people look at AI
making errors for something like that, it's going to be
scrutinized much more highly than human error, Right, now, and
so I think that they're first trying to get the
error writ down as much as possible. AI is prone
(22:57):
to flaws and hallucinations. That rate has decreased significantly. I
would suggest that as of today, humans are prone to
more hallucination or more inaccuracy than AI is. AI would
probably be a better nine one one operator, in my opinion,
(23:19):
than the average human. That being said, people who become
nine one one operators are not the average human. They
have better skills than most people do in that regard.
But I think that having if you look at the
cost of the program of having the AI handle non
emergency calls, it's only sixty thousand dollars a year that
(23:40):
that to me is a strikingly low figure for handling
that volume of calls. And one the answer just everybody
does all of your listeners if they have for a
few free moments, and who doesn't is put an AI
into voice mode, have a conversation with it, and just
(24:00):
track what it does well versus what it doesn't do well.
AI is a very good conversation partner today, and what
it does better than most people is it will take
disorganized thoughts organize them to get the sense of what
you're saying, and it will have very good recall without
having to ask you again and again what you had said.
(24:21):
In other words, unlike people when you speak to them,
it doesn't forget what is part of the thread of conversation.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
It is a very very good conversation. Partner, job talking.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
With David gartan Stein Rossi is the CEO of Expert
Theory and an AI analyst and expert. All right, David,
let's get to the questions from the iHeart radio app
on talkbacks and as we move forward, da Vid. Unless
you have difficulty hearing one of the talkbacks when they're
done asking the question, feel free to just jump right
on in an answer as we move through these.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
All right, perfect, Good morning, John, al.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Is there a chance that AI becomes so advanced that
it makes its own decisions and it doesn't need humans
anymore and it just evolves into its own essentially being,
It just exists and can think and feel essentially.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
There is indeed a chance.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
This is in part what the discussion of artificial general
intelligence is about. And we hear more about artificial general
intelligence or AGI all the time. What AGI indicates is
where it's referring to a state where AI matches or
(25:52):
surpasses human cognitive abilities across a wide range of tasks.
Right now, AI is referred to as narrow as opposed
to general AI. It's designed for specific jobs, whereas AGI
can learn, reason, adapt, and apply knowledge to unfamiliar situations
that in a way similar to a human with AGI,
(26:14):
it will be able to teach itself about learning and
just engage in a wide range of things, including code itself.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
And we're getting closer and closer to this.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
Right if you pay attention to the reasoning ability of AI,
to the coding ability of AI, we are clearly moving
closer to artificial general intelligence. That there still remain sort
of skeptics of it. And the implication of doing what
the listener said, which is AI making its own decisions,
not needing humans, essentially being a thinking and feeling being,
(26:51):
those implications are tremendous, and honestly, they are rather frightening.
This is where the terminator example that people used to
joke about become.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
While not exactly correct, kind of correct.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
One of the most entertaining aspects on a recent rewatch
of Steven Spielberg's AI, which was kind of a tough rewatch.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I hadn't watched it in a while.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I owned the Blu ray, and just given the way
that it was it was made and Spielberg taking it over,
there's a lot of production issues when it comes to
that film. But the part of it that I enjoyed
the most was the end of the movie where we jump.
We take a huge leap forward in time to where
the AI has actually taken over and humanity has fallen
(27:40):
by the by the wayside. It's it's a really interesting
interpretation and a vision of you know what, Spielberg and
the writers of that film sort of said that this
was their expectation of where AI could eventually go. I
find that the most entertaining part of that film.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah. I actually haven't watched Alde to Oh my god. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
I mean there's a few film key films that I
just haven't seen.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
But happily, John, I have watched Science.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
We'll have to renew that debate one day in the future. Absolutely,
I have actually a very different take on the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Than I used to.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
Oh interesting, all right, Yeah, it'll be a good conversation.
We should absolutely have it. I actually would would love that. Okay,
John for initiated listeners.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Go ahead. I'm just going to say Ford initiated listeners.
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Science is a Mel Gibson movie about an alien invasion
where aliens who are allergic to water come down and
invade Earth, back punching people, and they don't know how
to open doors.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
About a decade basic premise of the movie.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And about a decade ago, Davide and I had a
debate on it, of which I failed miserably because I
love that film. So I'm very curious to see how
your opinion may have changed over the years. Let's get
back to the to the talkback question from the iHeartRadio
app John.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
This question is about a month late Ken bad comment
on how AI would have been used in the rescue
of the pilots in Iran.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
So it's a great question.
Speaker 9 (29:12):
Obviously, I don't know the specifics of the answer, or
else I wouldn't be able to speak about it here,
but generally speaking, AI is incorporated into the range of
intelligence processes. Earlier, I was talking about what AI tends
to be better at than people. It's really good at
collating information, collating signals, intelligence to spot patterns and to
(29:34):
do things like those that were important to the rescue mission,
pinpointing a location, helping to go through courses of action
for a rescue mission and planning for it, and to
look at contingencies. I don't know specifically where AI was integrated,
but we could all be very confident that AI was
absolutely a part of that planting cycle.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
AI becomes its own SOLF aware entity and become lipar.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
This one's a little hard to hear us all. I'll
go ahead and just read the transcript. They're wondering if
AI does become self aware, and if it were to
become nefarious, could it be shut down? I mean, would
you be able to simply pull the plug on AI
were it to begin to act inappropriately? For lack of
(30:23):
a better way to describe it, to be such a
good question, right, It's kind of like I'm playing the Internet, right,
I Mean, like, what we're really talking about is so
a it depends, right, you could already make some AI
agents nefarious, but here.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
We're talking about an entire AI.
Speaker 9 (30:42):
System, an AI system becoming nefarious.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
How do you shut it down? Right?
Speaker 9 (30:49):
Like, if we're talking about a basically a super intelligence
that's been able to code itself, that's smarter than human
beings that doesn't tie it, and that has basically penetrated
a vast array of digital systems. What's the center of
(31:09):
gravity where it can be shut down? Like, I don't
think that we like when you step back for a second,
and this will actually be a great topic for me
to create a game on. But like a super intelligence
that you're trying to shut down, presents multiple authority problems.
There's a book by Max Tenmark called Life three point zero,
(31:33):
and early in the book it talks about an AI
that's potentially nefarious and how it could you potentially break
out of the box. He imagines that there are humans
guarding it, and it would be able to It would
be able to learn everything about those humans. It would
be able to impersonate loved ones, even maybe dead loved
ones say that they want to talk to them, probe
(31:55):
for vulnerabilities, And that's just kind of if you were
keeping it in a box and having human scar it.
We're talking about in this case, an AI that becomes
self aware, that's super intelligent, and suddenly we realize that
it's become nefarious among other things. If it's that smart,
don't you think it would take a while and get
itself into a good position before revealing its cards, and
(32:18):
the fact that it's the farious.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That sounds like a good movie to put into a
prompt to have AI create.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I like that idea or story I should say. So
let's get to the next question here on Twinsday's news
Talk for.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Devid, Good morning guys, friend of this show, Dave from
Howard Lake.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
This question is for David.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I've been doing work on AI control the autonomous weapons systems,
and I want his thoughts about if such a system
should be banned and what would be the legality of
a system comminion a crime against humanity underneath international law?
Who would be responsible? And I also think China and
Russell will never agree to a ban. I thank you
(33:00):
a good day by Yeah.
Speaker 9 (33:03):
I agree that China and Russia would never agree to
a ban. It's possible that the US wouldn't either.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
I don't have an opinion as to whether such a
band should be issued, simply because my view doesn't mean
much on this, but it is a big, big debate
that's out there. You know, autonomous weapons are subject to
international humanitarian law. They are not prohibited by any international
treaty and they've been deployed in very limited cases. South Korea,
(33:36):
for example, deployed an autonomous weapons system on its border
at one point in time to much controversy. And the
idea is that AI autonomous systems are you know, can
kill fast. They don't necessarily have you know, a human's
(33:58):
inhibitions to kill. And obviously we've seen that humans can
commit a great deal of atrocities themselves. And so there's
this debate about meaningful human control. There's a faction that
argues that there should be a human in the loop.
There are others who argue for autonomous weapons. We should
(34:19):
mention this that proponents say that AI can increase precision
and reduce casualties, opponent's fear that they'll cause unintended harm,
like a lot of other things. This is a significant debate,
and I think that if you're catching what overarching theme
of today's conversation, John, is that there are these big
issues that are literally just around the corner at looming
(34:42):
with respect to AI, that I think people just have
it gained through more than one or two lines deep
with AI.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Right now, talking with David Gartenstein Ross, the CEO at
Expert Theory, as as we talk AI here on Twdnesday's
News Talk every Tuesday. When it comes to AI that
we're using on a daily basis, like it's kind of
embedded in so many different aspects of the websites that
we go to or our emails. I mean, these are
(35:11):
all singular AI setups that are basically just waiting for
us to engage with them. They don't have the ability
to start doing things on their own, correct. I mean
that's where you get into the autonomous aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Right now, it's kind.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Of dormant until we as humans begin to interact with it.
Am I? Am I right with that? With that assumption there,
Devid a bit, but it's becoming more and more autonomous.
Speaker 9 (35:36):
Right If you look at your Claude for your desktop,
for example, it can go through your emails on its
own without you asking it to, right.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
This is what AI agents are.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
They functioned as assistants and they're desired to serve your needs.
But they can ask without they can act without you
specifically telling them to take action.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Okay, let's try to sneak in a couple more questions
here for Devid Gartenstein Ross.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Question for David, how easy would it be for AI
to construct a social credit score for everyone based on
the fact that we log in with our personal email addresses,
and it keeps track of everything that we ask it,
whether it's for work, social, or entertainment purposes. Could this
(36:28):
somehow be used against us as a populace.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
You can be sure that AI is already being used
to create a social credit system in China. China, as
you do. How's a social credit system? How do they
keep you track of this? Certainly? Certainly the way they're
doing it today is AI. Could it be used against us? Absolutely?
This could be used against us. Absolutely it could.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
David.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Let's wrap on a lighter note from NBC. If you've
duped by AI, you are not alone. The Real Housewives
of Beverly Hills a show which I have never watched it,
by the way, it's star Kathy Hilton revealed that she
tried the Jello diet, which she thought was endorsed by
Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Obama, Kelly Clarkson, and doctor memmot Oz,
(37:19):
and it left her bloated and regretful. It turns out
that those celebrities aren't actually supporters of.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
The diet, but AI versions of them.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Are rendered by artificial intelligence and created to convince consumers
to spend money on this so called jello diet that
this reality show star ended up falling for. I don't
really have a question de vid. I just thought one
that it was kind of funny that somebody tried to
go on a jello diet and thought it was actually legit. However,
(37:48):
it is a cautionary tale to make sure that you
research that which you think is being pedled to you,
potentially by celebrities, because AI has gotten to the point
now where a lot of people cannot tell the difference anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
We've talked about quite a bit on the show.
Speaker 9 (38:02):
I also think it points to a basic advantage that
conservatives have in twenty twenty six because Oprah Winfrey, Michelle
Obaba just that not that much of a draw.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Oh, it's an interesting point to Vie, Devid Gartzanstein Ross.
As always, I thank you for the time this morning.
If you have any questions for a DEVI that we
did not get in and you'd like to get those
in between now and when we talk next week, feel
free to drop me an email Justice at iHeartRadio dot com,
and I'm always willing to go and forward those off
to dav David, thank you for the time this morning.
(38:36):
I hope you have a fantastic week, my friend YouTube job.
Until next time.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Coming up, I.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Want to revisit a story that we didn't get a
chance to completely break down from the Minnesota Star Tribune.
We're all drowning the claim by the Walls administration that
the fraud allegations are swamping the state investigators. Basically, they're
saying we just don't have a staff to deal with
all of the fraud, which I find interesting because according
(39:04):
to Walls, in so many comments that he's made, we
weren't dealing with that much fraud. Also an admission of
failure Republicans slamming Amy Klobashar as she introduced her plan
to combat fraud. And we'll get to more of your
comments from the iHeartRadio app brought to you by Lyndahl Realty.
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