March 10, 2026 • 39 mins
Jon reacts to the latest comments from President Trump regarding Operation Epic Fury and DFL demands for ICE. Daveed Gartenstien Ross joins to give his insights into the uses of AI in militaries around the world, potential AI legislation, and Daveed responds to several listener talkbacks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Day with confidence. Download the free weather Bug app from
the app Store now. It's currently snowing on my way
to work. And as much as I love you, John,
I definitely believe you.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
No, I don't want to brag, but you know, they
said this about a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
No as a president could do.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Some of the I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
No, No as a president.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
The things I'm doing, nobody else was gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
They say it all the time, sir, could you do this?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You're the only one could do it.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Five thousand plus targets that the US has struck across Iran.
President Donald Trump yesterday holding a press conference in Florida.
We'll have more audio from that later on in the show. Also,
the Pentagon is going to be giving an update on
Operation Epicsiria, which Trump says is going so well it
(00:59):
could be over soon. And although there's some conflicting messaging
regarding that, as Pete Hagg said, had said recently as
well that this may be going on for a little
while longer. So we'll dive into it on the show
this morning. My name is John Justice. I'm glad you're
with us on a Tuesday. Tuesday has a feel here
on Twin City's News Talk AM eleven thirty and one
(01:20):
O three five FM. I've got Sam in the Master
control booth next door. I did not change out my
floor match. You cannot blame me on the weather.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I mean you can. I'm still going to you go.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You know what you guys all do you It was
perfectly fine on the drive in this morning for me.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I don't know about any of you guys. Yeah, I
didn't see any so at all. That was nice. That
was nice.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
We'll see what happens throughout the throughout the day today.
Devide Gartzenstein Ross are AI analyst and expert. He'll be
joining us just after the bottom of the hour. The
Minnesota legislature, by part is an effort, by the way,
and I'm very curious to get David's thoughts on this.
They're working on some AI legislation. Very concerned about AI
(02:07):
and our children. Rather fiery words coming from dfller Aaron
may Quaid about you know again being you know, very
concerned about children's access and talking to chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's it's comical, it's comical.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I'll reserve my commentary regarding that until after we're done
getting the thoughts from David Gartenstein Ross on this legislation.
We'll talk a little bit about artificial intelligence and its
inclusion into the efforts of Operation Epic Theory when David
joins us. And there's already questions that are coming into
the iHeartRadio app this morning. If you have a question
(02:43):
for David, you can get those in it early to
the iHeartRadio app. Those talkbacks are brought to you by
Lindahl Realty. You can also email me Justice at iHeartRadio
dot com and get those questions in with him as well.
Big Legislative session update, a lot of ground to cover.
Governor Tim Walls completely ghosted a fraud hearing that took
(03:04):
place yesterday, even though the individuals who were supposed to
be questioned within the Walls administration during the hearing that
didn't show up apparently ended up showing up to the
next hearing right afterwards. Like as the hearing ended and
you had the representatives leaving and the new representatives coming
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in for the next hearing, there were the individuals that
were supposed to be in the previous hearing, they just
didn't bother to show up. Oh, and there's Democrats that
are out there proposing that you should have to pay
some three thousand dollars a year for your registration fees
because they want to be able to pay for roads
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You can't make it up.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
So I'll have audio to share regarding all of that
coming up next hour and in the eight o'clock hour
this morning, very busy show. Be on the lookout for
the Mandalorian and Boba Fette on the streets of Minneapolis. Okay,
not literally, oh maybe, but in the continued quest for
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Democrats to exploit Operation Metro Surge to the best of
their example. Now they're worried about bounty hunters. They've moved
off of ICE since ICE is for the most part
left apart from those that are actually stationed here, and
now the concern is being drawn to bounty hunters that
could continue the work of immigrations and customs enforcement.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Again, you cannot make this stuff up. So we'll get
into that coming up in the.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Eight o'clock hour, and Jim a Senator Jim Abler, we'll
be calling in just after eight thirty this morning. We
talked about a bill that he was introducing regarding disciplining
of our students in the classroom yesterday on the show,
So he is going to join us to talk a
little bit more about where that bill currently is during
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the legislative session and whether or not it has a
chance of passing. So start here though, from the Daily Wire.
That clip you heard just before the intro was from
President Donald Trump and his press conference from Florida yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Before returning to DC.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Brent crude, which is considered the international benchmark price point
for oil.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I mean, you knew that, right, Sam, knew.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
That had no idea that reached it nearly one hundred
and twenty dollars per barrel on Monday morning. The good
news is that ended up plummeting below ninety dollars in
the afternoon, and that was after President Donald Trump gave
another positive update on the war with Arod, which just
(05:39):
tells you how arbitrary the gas prices are. President says
one thing, they go up. President says another thing, they
go down. It's never changing.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I'm just pointing it out.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
The rapid drop in the US crewed late in the
day came, as Trump said, the war, which has lasted
for over a week, as I mentioned a moment ago,
is very far ahead of schedule after initially predicting a
four to two five week operation.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
We're ahead of our initial timeline by a lot. I
would say that we probably would not have thought after
a month we'd be here. In addition to the fact
that we've taken out the leadership.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Twice and maybe three times, and we, as you know,
we want to be involved.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
We don't want another president that maybe wouldn't be willing
to do what I'm willing to do for the good
of the world, for the good of our nation, to
be stuck with the situation in five years or ten
years from now. So we think they should put a
president in or the head of the country in this country.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
So Trump also told CBS News that he was considering
taking control of the Straight of Ormus, the vital passage
between Iran and the UAE. We're around twenty percent of
the world's oil typically traversus each day. And as I mentioned,
we have a Pentagon press briefing coming up at the
seven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
We'll try to bring you some of that live.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I have more comments from President Donald Trump this press
conference yesterday regarding Operation Epic Fury, the third government shutdown
in six months, is leaving tsa agent scrambling once again,
and with the increased threat of Iranian sleeper cells in
the United States, it really highlights the danger the Democrats
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continue to put the American public in over incredibly trite issues.
I have audio to Sheriff Hakeem Jeffries as well that
we'll get into ahead of my conversation with Devin gartan
Stein Ross's we talk artificial intelligence again. Get your questions
in for DEVI to early Justice at iHeartRadio dot com
orlead those talkbacks on the iHeart Radio app lots to
(07:42):
dive into on the show today.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I'm glad you're with us. Do not go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You're listening to Twin Cities News Talk AM eleven thirty
and one oh three five FM. Good morning, and I
love your show.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
All lying at the bottom of the ocean forty six ships?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
In fact, I got a little upset without pople I said,
what quality of ship? Excellencer top of the line, I said,
why didn't we just capture the ship?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
We're going to use it?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Why did we sink him? They said it's more fun
to sink him. He said, that's a They like sinking
a better. They say it's safer to sink him. I
guess it's probably true, but think of it.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
We knocked out forty six.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It actually took three and a half days.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
The terrorist leaders.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I UH will continue to say this and President Donald
Trump does not get enough credit for his sense of humor. Yesterday,
he didn't say exactly when Operation Epic Fury would end,
but during remarks to Republican lawmakers in Doral, Florida, Monday afternoon,
he said the military will not relent until the enemy
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is totally and decisively defeated. US forces have decimated the
Iranian Navy military key capabilities in the joint US Israeli
strikes killed or on Supreme Leader Ali Kamani. His son
has now taken over, so the clock is ticking on
that individual currently for him.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
To get the Congressional Medal of Honor. They didn't want
to stand for him. There's something wrong with those people,
and we can't let them ever be in a.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Position where.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
They can lead this country again or destroy this country again.
Because we almost lost this country.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
This country was close to being lost.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
The representatives in this room provided the pivotal votes in
securing a record one trillion dollars for the United States
military this year, and now the world is witnessing the
importance of that investment with one of the most complex
and stunning operations ever can Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
President Donald Trump yesterday had some very specific remarks regarding
the Senate GOP the Save America Act. We'll talk about
that in or detail next hour. Let's get to a
few if your thoughts from the iHeartRadio app this morning,
and the talkback's brought to you by Lindahl Realty.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
MEI Learning, John and Sam Ard. Tis very shut.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
It's just nothing where the scam all of our guess
prices going up as they are.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
It is greedy oil companies.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
And then regarding these tab.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Prices that they want to increase here in Minnesota, maybe
we just.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Have a statewide boycott of not paying tabs.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
What are they going to do?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well, they'll hold people accountable, especially if you don't vote
for the DFL, and boycotts rarely work.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I understand what it is that.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
You're driving at and I think you were being more
sarcastic than anything else. We will get into that issue
next hour because there's a there's a component to this
where on the one hand, you have Democrats that want
to exponentially increase your registration fees the tabs on your car,
while there are others that are proposing that we do
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not require drivers to put new tabs on their vehicle.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You still need to register your vehicle.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
But what they want to do is they want to
take away the requirement that the tabs on your vehicle
show that you're updated.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Well, it's as stupid as it sounds. It's catering to
Democrat voters blatantly. So that'll come up in the seven
o'clock hour this morning here on Twin City's News Talk More.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
John.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
This is in the first time we've dealt with higher
energy costs as far as crude oil. And I'm guessing
that everybody listening doesn't stop driving their car because gas
went up fifty sixty a dollar cents a gallon, because
that's how crude oil operates in this world.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
With the Middle East back.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
At seventy four to seventy five, daylight savings time started
in January because of the energy crisis, y'all, remember we
were running out of crude oil.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
How'd that work out for us? There is still relative calm.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Thank you for the talkback there, Scott working off a
story from Carolevin. There is still relative calm before the
annual Spring Break travel storm descends upon MSP, But when
the volume of travelers does hit its peak in the
weeks ahead, TSA agents are putting out a simple message.
Neil Gosman, a TSA agent, said, we would hope that
people going to spring Break have a good time and
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stay safe. But you got to remember that there are
people working here to try and make that happen for you,
and we are not being kept safe now. Gosman is
a Vietnam VET, so the desire to keep a people
safe led him to begin serving the TSA back in
two thousand and four, stating that my youngest daughter was
in New York during nine to eleven. She was on
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the ground above, She was above the ground train and
she saw the plane hit the second tower.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
That's my motive.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Despite the many improvements in security since then, he says,
TSA agents are now facing a different kind of risk.
This is the third shutdown in six months.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
He said.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
People have to pay childcare, people have to pay rent.
A lot of the landlords are saying we forgave rent
for being late last time. We're not going to do
it again. In the meantime, Democrats are not even hiding
why they're keeping the government shut down. You've got the
US intercepting in cryptocommunications believed to have originated from Iran
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that may serve as an operational trigger for sleeper assets
outside the country, according to a federal government alert assent
to law enforcement agencies yesterday. I want to give you
a few more details on this, but in light of this,
you've got spring break TSA, You've got active potential sleeper cells,
and yet the Democrats continue to keep this portion of
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the government shut down, and Hakeem Jeffries states pointedly why
they are doing it, not even hiding.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Why they're keeping the government shut.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
Down completely and totally out of control group of people.
It's the reason why we are in a DHS shutdown
right now, because Republicans have refused to agree to the
type of bold, transformative, meaningful, and dramatic reforms we are
demanding in order for the Department of Homeland Security funding
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bill to move forward. And I won't go through all
of the demands, much of which we've talked about repeatedly
in the public, but one of those demands is keep
Ice out of sensitive locations, and we've defined that as schools,
houses of worship, hospitals, and polling sites. We want an
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explicit prohibition that ice can go nowhere near any polling
sites any United States of America.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's one of our demands. We're not going to bend
on it.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
And as many people have stated, the Republicans have said,
the only reason why you wouldn't want that is because
you want to enable those that are here illegally to vote.
All that being said, that is a completely concocted, made
up excuse. We just don't want ice at our polling places,
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even though the federal government has given no indication that
that would be the case. But I'm also with the
federal government saying that.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
No, we're not going to agree to that.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
We don't know the circumstances behind which that would take place.
I totally understand the Trump administration and the Republicans point
on that, But you know, maybe right now, with everybody
going on spring break travel season kicking up potential active
sleeper cells inside the United States, maybe now is not
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the best time to keep the DHS.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Shut down.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
The intercepted transmission was encoded and appeared to be destined
for clandestine recipients who possessed the encryption key. The alert
reviewed by ABC News detail the kind of message intended
to impart instructions to convert operatives or sleeper assets without
the use of Internet or cellular networks.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
And I just need to state again that the ICE
is already funded.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
The Democrats just arbitrarily picked the DHS because they knew
that they could use it as an excuse, and they
initially we're using this as a pushback against immigrations and
customs enforcement again even though it has no impact on
that whatsoever. And now they're stuck on these ridiculous arguments
of well, we just want them to agree not to
put ICE agents at polling places. It's all just so
stupid and unnecessary and incredibly dangerous as well. David Gartzenstein
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or Ross will join us next. The Iran War heralds
an era of AI powered bombing quicker than the speed
of thought. We'll find out what AI brain fray is.
And Minnesota lawmakers introducing AI regulations aimed at protecting children
curtailing surveillance just a few of the topics we have
planned to talk about with David Gartenstein, Roswell we'll kick
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things off with your questions for the CEO of Expert
Theory and our AI expert and analyst David Next. You
can get those in on the iHeartRadio app here on
Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty and one oh
three five FM and iHeart Radio station.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
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Speaker 1 (17:35):
The talk radio audience all throughout Minnesota. You do such
a great job.
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I'm a big fan.
Speaker 9 (17:39):
Oh thanks, Laura.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
If evering you little pick me up.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
It's nice to hear Twin City's News Talk Am eleven
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Speaker 1 (17:51):
My name is John Justice.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
That is Sam and the Master Control booth next door.
I'm only a rock star because I surround myself withinly
intelligent individuals. Well, thank you, John, I appreciate that end's
back on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
And I also include in that mix.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Devid Gartenstein Ross are AI expert and analyst CEO at
Expert Theory.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Good morning, Devid. How are we doing this morning? I'm
doing well, John, It's great to join you as always.
Do you have out of curiosity?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Do you have an individual or a team at Expert
Theory whose job it is is to just track the
advancements in AI. I guess a better way to probably
ask that question is how do you handle the rapid
advancement of AI as it relates to the work that
you do over at Expert Theory.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
A couple things first, I'm lucky to have a really
great chief Technology officer who specialized is an AI, and
so I've been able to watch as he put into
effect a lot of things that are far ahead of
the curve. He used AI to completely change the language
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of our code base, long before you know AI coding
had been part of mainstream discussions. The other thing is
is I use AI, you know, many times a day,
and so often I'm able to get my own sense
of how models are changing. Those are the two main
ways that I stay on top of it.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
We have a lot of questions that have already come
into the iHeartRadio app, and I want to get to those.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Let's start here.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I've got a couple of different stories that we plan
on talking about this morning. We'll see how things run
in terms of the time that we that we have.
We are planning on carrying the Pentagon press briefing regarding
Operation Epic Theory at the at the top of the
hour to give everybody an update on what's going on.
I imagine we'll hear some secretary of warpeede exeth. There's
a piece out of The Guardian that I pulled for
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our conversation today talking about AI powered bombing quicker than
the speed of thought.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
A couple of things in this I wanted to throw
at you.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
It says in the piece academics studying the field say
AI is collapsing the planning time required for complex strikes.
Some fear that could result in human military and legal
experts merely rubber stamping automated strike plans.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Let me stop here really quick.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
How do you feel about, you know, that thought about
the fears of removing the human element in the wake
of the advancements in AI and how they're being used.
We talk about this quite a bit, but your thoughts on.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
That, I think that they're real and it's happening. I mean,
as with a lot of things, you know, there are
two sides to whether this is good. It allow war
to be made more efficiently. But generally speaking, I think
as people, you know, even if you're more hawkish, that's
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not a positive thing on the whole right, Like, it's
not just the US.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
It's going to make war more quickly.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Everybody will be able to and it makes decisions come
much more more, much more rapidly.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
So you know, I haven't been.
Speaker 9 (21:22):
Like weighing in on the Iran war written large for
a wide variety of reasons, equity, that's not my lane anymore.
But I think one thing one can do is compare
the lead up to the Iran War with the lead
up to the Iraq war, right with the Iraq War,
and they're very different wars.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right, the Iran War is going to be over.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
You know, we don't know how long it will go,
but it will certainly be over by the end of April.
I think that it is inconceivable that we would still
be bombing on May first, and you can mark my
words on that. But for a rock, you had months
and months of debate, Like you know, by the time
the US went in, the case had been made thoroughly.
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It's a case that ultimately is you know, like I
disagreed with and fully stand by that, but like the
case had been made thoroughly. Here, you know, we wake
up in February twenty eighth and suddenly bombing had started
at three am, very sudden, and that's an indication.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That the way we're going to war has changed.
Speaker 9 (22:27):
I think in part due to AI right, in part
due to the fact that war plans don't take as
long to formulate. It collapses public cases, and again there's
there's other aspects to it, but I think on the
whole it makes going to war more of a snap decision,
which isn't on the whole good news for civilians.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
This is more of just an observation.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I'm just curious to get your thoughts and then we'll
dive into some of these some of these questions that
have rolled into the to the heart radio out this morning.
But in this Guardian piece, Craig Jones, a senior lecturer
in political geography at Newcastle University and an expert on
in kill chains, He talks about the AI machine is
making recommendations for what to target. Goes on to say,
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you've got scale, you've got speed. You're carrying out the
assassination style strikes at the same time that you are
decapitating the regime's ability to respond with the aerio ballistic
missiles that might have taken days or weeks in historic wars.
Now you're doing everything at once. It goes on to say,
the latest AI systems can rapidly analyze mountains of information
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on potential targets, from drone footage to telecommunications interceptors, as
well as human intelligence. And again just an observation Devide.
It's fascinating to me because all of this reminds me
of Wopper from Wargames, and it's incredible that you have
this very outdated yet classic ades science fiction film where
in the finale you have Wopper running through all of
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the available scenarios of geo thermonuclear war and it's almost,
you know, akin to what we are seeing now in
the way that AI is being utilized in this current
current conflict. I just thought it was an interesting observation.
Do you have any further further thoughts on this piece
of useless trivia?
Speaker 9 (24:19):
I mean, I like it, but it also shows you
just how far supercomputers have advanced. Right in war games,
you know, it takes the computer, you know, in movie
time at the very least like minutes to figure out
that you can't win Tiktac two, right, right, Really, that's
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a big revelation at the end, right that you can't
win tiktac two, right, Like any algorithmic computer now would
realize that in a fraction of a second, like.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Even humans can figure that out.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
So so yeah, I like the analog, and I like
the analog in part because it shows you how far
computers have come.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Right. The other big revelation war games, of course, being.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
That nobody wins right in a global thermonuclear war, which true,
a true b doesn't take a supercomputer to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Can you imagine?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Can you envision a scenario where AIS we're running through
these these scenarios in terms of these military operations, and
it stops and goes, maybe a guy shouldn't be doing
that doing this, I mean that would require a level
of AI reaching that sentient.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Well, it doesn't dumb, right, like you can actually like
anyone can test this right, Like one of the things
people tend to use AI for is to draft emails.
For anyone who does that for AI, you should actually
you tell your AI or send it as a default
within your your GPT to make the AI tell you
(25:55):
if an email is a bad idea, it will do so, right,
like it's more than capable of doing so. About wars
and war scenarios, and that actually should be a default
that's embedded right, Like it should be asked not just
to execute tasks, but to provide a recommendation as to
what a command is a bad idea in my opinion,
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and like it's actually very good at that at sussing
out when an email probably shouldn't be sent.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I made a suggestion like this of going back. It's
probably well over a year ago talking about online engagement,
and I wish there was a function at the time.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
This is what I had said.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I wish there was a function on X where when
you go to post something in automatically defaults to like
a ten minute wait, so you can just so you
can decide, you know, give yourself. I'm gonna post this,
but it's gonna wait for ten minutes. Then it'll give
me an alert saying are you sure you want to
post this? And it's along the same lines of what
you of what you mentioned. Now we could be at
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a point where you could have the AI embedded grock
embedded with an X going are you sure you want
comment this way?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I would I would be in support of that. Yeah,
you'll probably erect your career.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
This could end up losing You could end up losing
your job if you go and stay this right now,
listen along the same lines of what you were just
talking about. Let's go to the iHeartRadio app. I got
a talk back similar to the conversation that we're currently
on with CEO and expert theory de Vid Gartzenstein Ross.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Good morning, John David.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
Hey, I've got a little issue with uh with GROC.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I recently gave it a voice.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
And it was a voice of an English woman and sold.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
About two or three hours later.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
I went back to GROC and asked something else and
it was a different woman's voice, not English this time,
and I asked it why it changed its accent, and
it swore to me it did not, And then the
next day it had the English accent again.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Does it messing with me? Def do you haven't answered that?
It's a great question.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
This voice problem is actually and I've found in multiple
places where it's hard to change a voice default as
sometimes the voice will shift without you intending it to.
If you listen carefully, if you talk a lot to
your LLM, once in a while, you'll see that it'll
shift between male and female voices. So I think voice
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is simply a feature which is not as advanced and
which is still pretty buggy compared to others.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
You would think, I would well, again, you wouldn't almost
speak for me. I would think that that would be
something rather simple.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
That wouldn't that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I mean, given the complexity of which you know, AI
can go and execute certain things, something like that seems
incredibly trivial that it wouldn't remain consistent.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, the trivial things.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
It doesn't mean it's necessarily going to be solved, because
it's all about whether the features have been implemented. So
like AI is very easy, Like the voice is very
easy to implement. The issue is that a feature that
generally hasn't been enabled for most large language models is
the ability to listen effectively to speech outside of voice mode.
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That's just something that who knows why it hasn't been implemented.
Part of it might just be the expense of doing so.
But like, that's something that generally hasn't been enabled, and
so it's difficult for your LLM to listen to itself
and understand what voice is speaking. Very easy to solve, right, Like,
it's just a matter of building the features. But one
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thing that I've learned running a tech company, there's a
lot of things like the Providence platform is great. I
love our core product. There's a lot of things I
would like it to be able to do that are
technically feasible and not hard to do, where it's just
a matter of spending the money and getting it done.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Let's go back to the iHeartRadio app as we continue
our discussion with David Gartenstein.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Ross a question for David with what may seem like
an unrelated set up. When having Second Amendment debates, people
sometimes say, well where does it end?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Do you want everyday.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Citizens to have access to nuclear weapons? Similarly, every conversation
I hear about artificial intelligence, even the people develop against
say there's a reasonable chance humanity could be wiped out,
and yet it's.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Full speed ahead.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Am I missing something or is this utterly insane?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I mean it's relatively insane, yeah, is my answer.
Speaker 9 (30:31):
The big thing that I think the listener may be missing,
which doesn't make it not insane, is that AI is
at the heart of the race between the US and
China geopolitically, and so the fact is that no amount
of Western AI regulation will actually stop this race towards superintelligence.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So it's kind of this AI.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
Arms race where an unfortunate side effect is that humanity
may get in by robots.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
In the process.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Like it's insane, is the best way to describe it,
to be honest.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
All right, let's get out. This is interesting. I have
a talk back that rolled inn. It's similar to a
question that I was going to post to you because
in that Guardian story it talks about Ran potentially having
its own version of AI that it might have been
utilizing it. It reminded me quite a bit de beat of
the early conversations that we've had regarding artificial intelligence and
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the competition that we've seen of different platforms in different
countries that are trying to get ahead and lead the
way regarding AI.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Let's go to the iHeartRadio app here.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
If AI can help us figure out our worst strategy,
then couldn't it also help our enemies figure out what
our worst strategy is so they can better defend or
event go on the offense.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Dev Yeah, the answeraps And this is why when when
you asked me about it, in no way it was
by view raw ra we have AI dominance. It was Like,
the very first thing that I said was, you know,
I'm not saying this is a good development in a
sense that you know it's not. You know, the US
is going to use this, Our adversaries are going to
use this, and AI gaps are very low. Right, Like,
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while if you look in the post Cold War era,
do you the US have this massive military dominance, we
still do relative to the world, even relative to China.
So there's a lot of areas where China does have
military advantage over US, but like on AI, we do
not have an advantage, any sort of measurably huge advantage
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over our adversaries. So the answer here is absolutely yes.
It's something that our enemies will use as well, and
they already are.
Speaker 11 (32:51):
Question for divide if he could only use one AI
chat for the rest of his life, which one would
it be, Why?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
And what settings would he change?
Speaker 9 (33:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I love it so for the rest of my life.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
It's me projecting forward which one I think is going
to end up winning out?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I think I would.
Speaker 9 (33:16):
I would choose chat GPT that I still think it's
its best position to win, though I think Claude's models
are currently better. But I would use it just because
I think there's so much resources behind chat GPT that
is going to remain one of the best, if not
the best, of the large language models. Defaults that I
would change, you know, I ask it to I would
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ask it to be blunt with me. I'd ask it
to tell me when I when it thinks I'm making
a mistake. I'd ask it to be less sycophantic, not zero,
because like I think we could all use a cheerleader
in our life, even if it's an AI.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
But those are the main changes I would make.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
Oh and one other thing I like to do, and
I think it actually makes a difference, is I ask
the AI to, you know, either be as smart as
possible or to replicate genius levels of thought, which I
think in subtle ways causes it to up its game.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
We're going to I'm going to stick a pin in
our AI brain fry story. We can save that one,
hopefully for next week. Let's turn our attention over to schools.
Got to talk back that role then, And I want
to touch upon this article that I'll be discussing further
on today's show. A bipartisan group of Minnesota lawmakers put
forth a package of bills aimed at regulating artificial intelligence
(34:38):
in Minnesota. The package of five bills targets key areas
of AI regulation, prohibiting the use of artificial intelligence and
health insurance decisions, Barring children's access to chatlock chatbots, blocking
the use of AI to set product prices in real time,
mandating disclosure when consumers interact with AI. Banning government and
(35:00):
surveillance through reverse keyword and reverse location services. Now there's
you know, there's a lot that we could unpack, and
we don't have a ton of time on this. I'm
just curious you're your overall view of when you see
lawmakers wanting to go in and put regulations on artificial
intelligence over concerns of the influence that it could have
on children.
Speaker 9 (35:22):
For that particular issue, influence on children absolutely, right, Like
anybody with kids, you can already see how social media
has really changed what childhood means in generally in ways
that are pernicious.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
Right.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
I can't think of a lot of good that has
come from the proliferation of social media and the amount
of social pressures that it causes.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I think that probably if we're to do a.
Speaker 9 (35:48):
Study, we could link some non zero number of deaths
per year by suicide and other means to social media.
I think that's probably uncontroversial, and you for AI. The
implications of AI are going to be even more profound
in numerous ways. We just to name one which is
(36:08):
a humiliating thing that we did not have to deal
with growing up. It would be a revenge porn that's
done by AI. We've seen that already happen. So I
definitely think that you know, kids are vulnerable, right like anybody,
Like anybody like we've all been kids, and anybody who
(36:29):
is of adult age understands just how much more fragile
you are as a kid. There's a reason we try
to protect our children. And so whether or not I
agree with the specifics of this, I think that regulation
designed to protect kids is a positive thing.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
We should have it in place for AI. Let's wrap
on this question from a friend of the show, Rob.
Speaker 12 (36:51):
Good Morning, John and David Rob from Na Lakes. So
I'm a teacher and my question about AI is I
understand these companies need to make money, but why does
it seem like everything is so expensive. I've been using
an app called Base forty four to make games for
my students.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
But it just is not worth my money.
Speaker 12 (37:12):
And also he's going to be around five ten years later.
Am I going to be able to use them constantly? Thanks?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Guys, have a good day.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Maybe he should check out Expert Theory in the games
that you guys got to dead your thoughts on that.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
And we've actually put our and we've actually put our
platform for free at to some Minnesota schools. So if
Rob wants to reach out through you, I'd be happy
to you know, let him try out our platform, which
is not expensive.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Like the goal that.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
We have is to make games widely accessible at a
price everybody can afford. So my answer would be, look
for any company, why are they charging a lot? It's
often because it cost them a lot to develop the product.
I understand that, but ultimately I think that for me,
(38:02):
the reason I started this company as well as my
first one, was to do something good and you know,
for high schools, making your product accessible I think is
the best thing that you can do for people.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
If anybody wants that information, email me Justice at iHeartRadio
dot com, Justice at iHeartRadio dot com and I will
forward that over to TV the CEO at Expert Theory.
As always, time flies when we have you on. I
appreciate your insight and hopefully we'll talk again next week.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
My friend Hi quest John look forward to it coming up.
Walls and Administration Ghosts.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
The fraud hearing in Saint Paul during the legislative session yesterday,
even though the people that were supposed to show up
ended up showing up to the hearing right afterwards. Have
a lot of audio to share. First off, though, we'll
get you updated on Operation Epic Fury. The Pentagon is
about to hold a press conference and we'll bring that
to you live here on Twin City's News Talk AM
(39:00):
eleven thirty and one oh three five f M.
Day with confidence. Download the free weather Bug app from
the app Store now. It's currently snowing on my way
to work. And as much as I love you, John,
I definitely believe you.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
No, I don't want to brag, but you know, they
said this about a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
No as a president could do.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Some of the I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
No, No as a president.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
The things I'm doing, nobody else was gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
They say it all the time, sir, could you do this?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You're the only one could do it.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Five thousand plus targets that the US has struck across Iran.
President Donald Trump yesterday holding a press conference in Florida.
We'll have more audio from that later on in the show. Also,
the Pentagon is going to be giving an update on
Operation Epicsiria, which Trump says is going so well it
(00:59):
could be over soon. And although there's some conflicting messaging
regarding that, as Pete Hagg said, had said recently as
well that this may be going on for a little
while longer. So we'll dive into it on the show
this morning. My name is John Justice. I'm glad you're
with us on a Tuesday. Tuesday has a feel here
on Twin City's News Talk AM eleven thirty and one
(01:20):
O three five FM. I've got Sam in the Master
control booth next door. I did not change out my
floor match. You cannot blame me on the weather.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I mean you can. I'm still going to you go.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You know what you guys all do you It was
perfectly fine on the drive in this morning for me.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I don't know about any of you guys. Yeah, I
didn't see any so at all. That was nice. That
was nice.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
We'll see what happens throughout the throughout the day today.
Devide Gartzenstein Ross are AI analyst and expert. He'll be
joining us just after the bottom of the hour. The
Minnesota legislature, by part is an effort, by the way,
and I'm very curious to get David's thoughts on this.
They're working on some AI legislation. Very concerned about AI
(02:07):
and our children. Rather fiery words coming from dfller Aaron
may Quaid about you know again being you know, very
concerned about children's access and talking to chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's it's comical, it's comical.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I'll reserve my commentary regarding that until after we're done
getting the thoughts from David Gartenstein Ross on this legislation.
We'll talk a little bit about artificial intelligence and its
inclusion into the efforts of Operation Epic Theory when David
joins us. And there's already questions that are coming into
the iHeartRadio app this morning. If you have a question
(02:43):
for David, you can get those in it early to
the iHeartRadio app. Those talkbacks are brought to you by
Lindahl Realty. You can also email me Justice at iHeartRadio
dot com and get those questions in with him as well.
Big Legislative session update, a lot of ground to cover.
Governor Tim Walls completely ghosted a fraud hearing that took
(03:04):
place yesterday, even though the individuals who were supposed to
be questioned within the Walls administration during the hearing that
didn't show up apparently ended up showing up to the
next hearing right afterwards. Like as the hearing ended and
you had the representatives leaving and the new representatives coming
(03:25):
in for the next hearing, there were the individuals that
were supposed to be in the previous hearing, they just
didn't bother to show up. Oh, and there's Democrats that
are out there proposing that you should have to pay
some three thousand dollars a year for your registration fees
because they want to be able to pay for roads
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You can't make it up.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
So I'll have audio to share regarding all of that
coming up next hour and in the eight o'clock hour
this morning, very busy show. Be on the lookout for
the Mandalorian and Boba Fette on the streets of Minneapolis. Okay,
not literally, oh maybe, but in the continued quest for
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Democrats to exploit Operation Metro Surge to the best of
their example. Now they're worried about bounty hunters. They've moved
off of ICE since ICE is for the most part
left apart from those that are actually stationed here, and
now the concern is being drawn to bounty hunters that
could continue the work of immigrations and customs enforcement.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Again, you cannot make this stuff up. So we'll get
into that coming up in the.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Eight o'clock hour, and Jim a Senator Jim Abler, we'll
be calling in just after eight thirty this morning. We
talked about a bill that he was introducing regarding disciplining
of our students in the classroom yesterday on the show,
So he is going to join us to talk a
little bit more about where that bill currently is during
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the legislative session and whether or not it has a
chance of passing. So start here though, from the Daily Wire.
That clip you heard just before the intro was from
President Donald Trump and his press conference from Florida yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Before returning to DC.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Brent crude, which is considered the international benchmark price point
for oil.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I mean, you knew that, right, Sam, knew.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
That had no idea that reached it nearly one hundred
and twenty dollars per barrel on Monday morning. The good
news is that ended up plummeting below ninety dollars in
the afternoon, and that was after President Donald Trump gave
another positive update on the war with Arod, which just
(05:39):
tells you how arbitrary the gas prices are. President says
one thing, they go up. President says another thing, they
go down. It's never changing.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I'm just pointing it out.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
The rapid drop in the US crewed late in the
day came, as Trump said, the war, which has lasted
for over a week, as I mentioned a moment ago,
is very far ahead of schedule after initially predicting a
four to two five week operation.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
We're ahead of our initial timeline by a lot. I
would say that we probably would not have thought after
a month we'd be here. In addition to the fact
that we've taken out the leadership.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Twice and maybe three times, and we, as you know,
we want to be involved.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
We don't want another president that maybe wouldn't be willing
to do what I'm willing to do for the good
of the world, for the good of our nation, to
be stuck with the situation in five years or ten
years from now. So we think they should put a
president in or the head of the country in this country.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
So Trump also told CBS News that he was considering
taking control of the Straight of Ormus, the vital passage
between Iran and the UAE. We're around twenty percent of
the world's oil typically traversus each day. And as I mentioned,
we have a Pentagon press briefing coming up at the
seven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
We'll try to bring you some of that live.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I have more comments from President Donald Trump this press
conference yesterday regarding Operation Epic Fury, the third government shutdown
in six months, is leaving tsa agent scrambling once again,
and with the increased threat of Iranian sleeper cells in
the United States, it really highlights the danger the Democrats
(07:19):
continue to put the American public in over incredibly trite issues.
I have audio to Sheriff Hakeem Jeffries as well that
we'll get into ahead of my conversation with Devin gartan
Stein Ross's we talk artificial intelligence again. Get your questions
in for DEVI to early Justice at iHeartRadio dot com
orlead those talkbacks on the iHeart Radio app lots to
(07:42):
dive into on the show today.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I'm glad you're with us. Do not go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You're listening to Twin Cities News Talk AM eleven thirty
and one oh three five FM. Good morning, and I
love your show.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
All lying at the bottom of the ocean forty six ships?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Can you believe it?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
In fact, I got a little upset without pople I said,
what quality of ship? Excellencer top of the line, I said,
why didn't we just capture the ship?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
We're going to use it?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Why did we sink him? They said it's more fun
to sink him. He said, that's a They like sinking
a better. They say it's safer to sink him. I
guess it's probably true, but think of it.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
We knocked out forty six.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It actually took three and a half days.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
The terrorist leaders.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I UH will continue to say this and President Donald
Trump does not get enough credit for his sense of humor. Yesterday,
he didn't say exactly when Operation Epic Fury would end,
but during remarks to Republican lawmakers in Doral, Florida, Monday afternoon,
he said the military will not relent until the enemy
(08:52):
is totally and decisively defeated. US forces have decimated the
Iranian Navy military key capabilities in the joint US Israeli
strikes killed or on Supreme Leader Ali Kamani. His son
has now taken over, so the clock is ticking on
that individual currently for him.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
To get the Congressional Medal of Honor. They didn't want
to stand for him. There's something wrong with those people,
and we can't let them ever be in a.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Position where.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
They can lead this country again or destroy this country again.
Because we almost lost this country.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
This country was close to being lost.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
The representatives in this room provided the pivotal votes in
securing a record one trillion dollars for the United States
military this year, and now the world is witnessing the
importance of that investment with one of the most complex
and stunning operations ever can Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
President Donald Trump yesterday had some very specific remarks regarding
the Senate GOP the Save America Act. We'll talk about
that in or detail next hour. Let's get to a
few if your thoughts from the iHeartRadio app this morning,
and the talkback's brought to you by Lindahl Realty.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
MEI Learning, John and Sam Ard. Tis very shut.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
It's just nothing where the scam all of our guess
prices going up as they are.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
It is greedy oil companies.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
And then regarding these tab.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Prices that they want to increase here in Minnesota, maybe
we just.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
Have a statewide boycott of not paying tabs.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
What are they going to do?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well, they'll hold people accountable, especially if you don't vote
for the DFL, and boycotts rarely work.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I understand what it is that.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
You're driving at and I think you were being more
sarcastic than anything else. We will get into that issue
next hour because there's a there's a component to this
where on the one hand, you have Democrats that want
to exponentially increase your registration fees the tabs on your car,
while there are others that are proposing that we do
(11:04):
not require drivers to put new tabs on their vehicle.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You still need to register your vehicle.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
But what they want to do is they want to
take away the requirement that the tabs on your vehicle
show that you're updated.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Well, it's as stupid as it sounds. It's catering to
Democrat voters blatantly. So that'll come up in the seven
o'clock hour this morning here on Twin City's News Talk More.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
John.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
This is in the first time we've dealt with higher
energy costs as far as crude oil. And I'm guessing
that everybody listening doesn't stop driving their car because gas
went up fifty sixty a dollar cents a gallon, because
that's how crude oil operates in this world.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
With the Middle East back.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
At seventy four to seventy five, daylight savings time started
in January because of the energy crisis, y'all, remember we
were running out of crude oil.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
How'd that work out for us? There is still relative calm.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Thank you for the talkback there, Scott working off a
story from Carolevin. There is still relative calm before the
annual Spring Break travel storm descends upon MSP, But when
the volume of travelers does hit its peak in the
weeks ahead, TSA agents are putting out a simple message.
Neil Gosman, a TSA agent, said, we would hope that
people going to spring Break have a good time and
(12:29):
stay safe. But you got to remember that there are
people working here to try and make that happen for you,
and we are not being kept safe now. Gosman is
a Vietnam VET, so the desire to keep a people
safe led him to begin serving the TSA back in
two thousand and four, stating that my youngest daughter was
in New York during nine to eleven. She was on
(12:53):
the ground above, She was above the ground train and
she saw the plane hit the second tower.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
That's my motive.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Despite the many improvements in security since then, he says,
TSA agents are now facing a different kind of risk.
This is the third shutdown in six months.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
He said.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
People have to pay childcare, people have to pay rent.
A lot of the landlords are saying we forgave rent
for being late last time. We're not going to do
it again. In the meantime, Democrats are not even hiding
why they're keeping the government shut down. You've got the
US intercepting in cryptocommunications believed to have originated from Iran
(13:38):
that may serve as an operational trigger for sleeper assets
outside the country, according to a federal government alert assent
to law enforcement agencies yesterday. I want to give you
a few more details on this, but in light of this,
you've got spring break TSA, You've got active potential sleeper cells,
and yet the Democrats continue to keep this portion of
(14:00):
the government shut down, and Hakeem Jeffries states pointedly why
they are doing it, not even hiding.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Why they're keeping the government shut.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
Down completely and totally out of control group of people.
It's the reason why we are in a DHS shutdown
right now, because Republicans have refused to agree to the
type of bold, transformative, meaningful, and dramatic reforms we are
demanding in order for the Department of Homeland Security funding
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bill to move forward. And I won't go through all
of the demands, much of which we've talked about repeatedly
in the public, but one of those demands is keep
Ice out of sensitive locations, and we've defined that as schools,
houses of worship, hospitals, and polling sites. We want an
(14:53):
explicit prohibition that ice can go nowhere near any polling
sites any United States of America.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's one of our demands. We're not going to bend
on it.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
And as many people have stated, the Republicans have said,
the only reason why you wouldn't want that is because
you want to enable those that are here illegally to vote.
All that being said, that is a completely concocted, made
up excuse. We just don't want ice at our polling places,
(15:24):
even though the federal government has given no indication that
that would be the case. But I'm also with the
federal government saying that.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
No, we're not going to agree to that.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
We don't know the circumstances behind which that would take place.
I totally understand the Trump administration and the Republicans point
on that, But you know, maybe right now, with everybody
going on spring break travel season kicking up potential active
sleeper cells inside the United States, maybe now is not
(15:57):
the best time to keep the DHS.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Shut down.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
The intercepted transmission was encoded and appeared to be destined
for clandestine recipients who possessed the encryption key. The alert
reviewed by ABC News detail the kind of message intended
to impart instructions to convert operatives or sleeper assets without
the use of Internet or cellular networks.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
And I just need to state again that the ICE
is already funded.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
The Democrats just arbitrarily picked the DHS because they knew
that they could use it as an excuse, and they
initially we're using this as a pushback against immigrations and
customs enforcement again even though it has no impact on
that whatsoever. And now they're stuck on these ridiculous arguments
of well, we just want them to agree not to
put ICE agents at polling places. It's all just so
stupid and unnecessary and incredibly dangerous as well. David Gartzenstein
(16:54):
or Ross will join us next. The Iran War heralds
an era of AI powered bombing quicker than the speed
of thought. We'll find out what AI brain fray is.
And Minnesota lawmakers introducing AI regulations aimed at protecting children
curtailing surveillance just a few of the topics we have
planned to talk about with David Gartenstein, Roswell we'll kick
(17:16):
things off with your questions for the CEO of Expert
Theory and our AI expert and analyst David Next. You
can get those in on the iHeartRadio app here on
Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty and one oh
three five FM and iHeart Radio station.
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Speaker 1 (17:51):
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Speaker 1 (18:09):
And I also include in that mix.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Devid Gartenstein Ross are AI expert and analyst CEO at
Expert Theory.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Good morning, Devid. How are we doing this morning? I'm
doing well, John, It's great to join you as always.
Do you have out of curiosity?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Do you have an individual or a team at Expert
Theory whose job it is is to just track the
advancements in AI. I guess a better way to probably
ask that question is how do you handle the rapid
advancement of AI as it relates to the work that
you do over at Expert Theory.
Speaker 9 (18:52):
A couple things first, I'm lucky to have a really
great chief Technology officer who specialized is an AI, and
so I've been able to watch as he put into
effect a lot of things that are far ahead of
the curve. He used AI to completely change the language
(19:15):
of our code base, long before you know AI coding
had been part of mainstream discussions. The other thing is
is I use AI, you know, many times a day,
and so often I'm able to get my own sense
of how models are changing. Those are the two main
ways that I stay on top of it.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
We have a lot of questions that have already come
into the iHeartRadio app, and I want to get to those.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Let's start here.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I've got a couple of different stories that we plan
on talking about this morning. We'll see how things run
in terms of the time that we that we have.
We are planning on carrying the Pentagon press briefing regarding
Operation Epic Theory at the at the top of the
hour to give everybody an update on what's going on.
I imagine we'll hear some secretary of warpeede exeth. There's
a piece out of The Guardian that I pulled for
(20:04):
our conversation today talking about AI powered bombing quicker than
the speed of thought.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
A couple of things in this I wanted to throw
at you.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
It says in the piece academics studying the field say
AI is collapsing the planning time required for complex strikes.
Some fear that could result in human military and legal
experts merely rubber stamping automated strike plans.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Let me stop here really quick.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
How do you feel about, you know, that thought about
the fears of removing the human element in the wake
of the advancements in AI and how they're being used.
We talk about this quite a bit, but your thoughts on.
Speaker 9 (20:45):
That, I think that they're real and it's happening. I mean,
as with a lot of things, you know, there are
two sides to whether this is good. It allow war
to be made more efficiently. But generally speaking, I think
as people, you know, even if you're more hawkish, that's
(21:09):
not a positive thing on the whole right, Like, it's
not just the US.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
It's going to make war more quickly.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
Everybody will be able to and it makes decisions come
much more more, much more rapidly.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
So you know, I haven't been.
Speaker 9 (21:22):
Like weighing in on the Iran war written large for
a wide variety of reasons, equity, that's not my lane anymore.
But I think one thing one can do is compare
the lead up to the Iran War with the lead
up to the Iraq war, right with the Iraq War,
and they're very different wars.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Right, the Iran War is going to be over.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
You know, we don't know how long it will go,
but it will certainly be over by the end of April.
I think that it is inconceivable that we would still
be bombing on May first, and you can mark my
words on that. But for a rock, you had months
and months of debate, Like you know, by the time
the US went in, the case had been made thoroughly.
(22:06):
It's a case that ultimately is you know, like I
disagreed with and fully stand by that, but like the
case had been made thoroughly. Here, you know, we wake
up in February twenty eighth and suddenly bombing had started
at three am, very sudden, and that's an indication.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That the way we're going to war has changed.
Speaker 9 (22:27):
I think in part due to AI right, in part
due to the fact that war plans don't take as
long to formulate. It collapses public cases, and again there's
there's other aspects to it, but I think on the
whole it makes going to war more of a snap decision,
which isn't on the whole good news for civilians.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
This is more of just an observation.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I'm just curious to get your thoughts and then we'll
dive into some of these some of these questions that
have rolled into the to the heart radio out this morning.
But in this Guardian piece, Craig Jones, a senior lecturer
in political geography at Newcastle University and an expert on
in kill chains, He talks about the AI machine is
making recommendations for what to target. Goes on to say,
(23:15):
you've got scale, you've got speed. You're carrying out the
assassination style strikes at the same time that you are
decapitating the regime's ability to respond with the aerio ballistic
missiles that might have taken days or weeks in historic wars.
Now you're doing everything at once. It goes on to say,
the latest AI systems can rapidly analyze mountains of information
(23:38):
on potential targets, from drone footage to telecommunications interceptors, as
well as human intelligence. And again just an observation Devide.
It's fascinating to me because all of this reminds me
of Wopper from Wargames, and it's incredible that you have
this very outdated yet classic ades science fiction film where
in the finale you have Wopper running through all of
(24:00):
the available scenarios of geo thermonuclear war and it's almost,
you know, akin to what we are seeing now in
the way that AI is being utilized in this current
current conflict. I just thought it was an interesting observation.
Do you have any further further thoughts on this piece
of useless trivia?
Speaker 9 (24:19):
I mean, I like it, but it also shows you
just how far supercomputers have advanced. Right in war games,
you know, it takes the computer, you know, in movie
time at the very least like minutes to figure out
that you can't win Tiktac two, right, right, Really, that's
(24:41):
a big revelation at the end, right that you can't
win tiktac two, right, Like any algorithmic computer now would
realize that in a fraction of a second, like.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Even humans can figure that out.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
So so yeah, I like the analog, and I like
the analog in part because it shows you how far
computers have come.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Right. The other big revelation war games, of course, being.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
That nobody wins right in a global thermonuclear war, which true,
a true b doesn't take a supercomputer to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Can you imagine?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Can you envision a scenario where AIS we're running through
these these scenarios in terms of these military operations, and
it stops and goes, maybe a guy shouldn't be doing
that doing this, I mean that would require a level
of AI reaching that sentient.
Speaker 9 (25:31):
Well, it doesn't dumb, right, like you can actually like
anyone can test this right, Like one of the things
people tend to use AI for is to draft emails.
For anyone who does that for AI, you should actually
you tell your AI or send it as a default
within your your GPT to make the AI tell you
(25:55):
if an email is a bad idea, it will do so, right,
like it's more than capable of doing so. About wars
and war scenarios, and that actually should be a default
that's embedded right, Like it should be asked not just
to execute tasks, but to provide a recommendation as to
what a command is a bad idea in my opinion,
(26:17):
and like it's actually very good at that at sussing
out when an email probably shouldn't be sent.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I made a suggestion like this of going back. It's
probably well over a year ago talking about online engagement,
and I wish there was a function at the time.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
This is what I had said.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I wish there was a function on X where when
you go to post something in automatically defaults to like
a ten minute wait, so you can just so you
can decide, you know, give yourself. I'm gonna post this,
but it's gonna wait for ten minutes. Then it'll give
me an alert saying are you sure you want to
post this? And it's along the same lines of what
you of what you mentioned. Now we could be at
(26:55):
a point where you could have the AI embedded grock
embedded with an X going are you sure you want
comment this way?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I would I would be in support of that. Yeah,
you'll probably erect your career.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
This could end up losing You could end up losing
your job if you go and stay this right now,
listen along the same lines of what you were just
talking about. Let's go to the iHeartRadio app. I got
a talk back similar to the conversation that we're currently
on with CEO and expert theory de Vid Gartzenstein Ross.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Good morning, John David.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
Hey, I've got a little issue with uh with GROC.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I recently gave it a voice.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
And it was a voice of an English woman and sold.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
About two or three hours later.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
I went back to GROC and asked something else and
it was a different woman's voice, not English this time,
and I asked it why it changed its accent, and
it swore to me it did not, And then the
next day it had the English accent again.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Does it messing with me? Def do you haven't answered that?
It's a great question.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
This voice problem is actually and I've found in multiple
places where it's hard to change a voice default as
sometimes the voice will shift without you intending it to.
If you listen carefully, if you talk a lot to
your LLM, once in a while, you'll see that it'll
shift between male and female voices. So I think voice
(28:22):
is simply a feature which is not as advanced and
which is still pretty buggy compared to others.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
You would think, I would well, again, you wouldn't almost
speak for me. I would think that that would be
something rather simple.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
That wouldn't that wouldn't happen.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I mean, given the complexity of which you know, AI
can go and execute certain things, something like that seems
incredibly trivial that it wouldn't remain consistent.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, the trivial things.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
It doesn't mean it's necessarily going to be solved, because
it's all about whether the features have been implemented. So
like AI is very easy, Like the voice is very
easy to implement. The issue is that a feature that
generally hasn't been enabled for most large language models is
the ability to listen effectively to speech outside of voice mode.
(29:16):
That's just something that who knows why it hasn't been implemented.
Part of it might just be the expense of doing so.
But like, that's something that generally hasn't been enabled, and
so it's difficult for your LLM to listen to itself
and understand what voice is speaking. Very easy to solve, right, Like,
it's just a matter of building the features. But one
(29:36):
thing that I've learned running a tech company, there's a
lot of things like the Providence platform is great. I
love our core product. There's a lot of things I
would like it to be able to do that are
technically feasible and not hard to do, where it's just
a matter of spending the money and getting it done.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Let's go back to the iHeartRadio app as we continue
our discussion with David Gartenstein.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Ross a question for David with what may seem like
an unrelated set up. When having Second Amendment debates, people
sometimes say, well where does it end?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Do you want everyday.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Citizens to have access to nuclear weapons? Similarly, every conversation
I hear about artificial intelligence, even the people develop against
say there's a reasonable chance humanity could be wiped out,
and yet it's.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Full speed ahead.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Am I missing something or is this utterly insane?
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I mean it's relatively insane, yeah, is my answer.
Speaker 9 (30:31):
The big thing that I think the listener may be missing,
which doesn't make it not insane, is that AI is
at the heart of the race between the US and
China geopolitically, and so the fact is that no amount
of Western AI regulation will actually stop this race towards superintelligence.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So it's kind of this AI.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
Arms race where an unfortunate side effect is that humanity
may get in by robots.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
In the process.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Like it's insane, is the best way to describe it,
to be honest.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
All right, let's get out. This is interesting. I have
a talk back that rolled inn. It's similar to a
question that I was going to post to you because
in that Guardian story it talks about Ran potentially having
its own version of AI that it might have been
utilizing it. It reminded me quite a bit de beat of
the early conversations that we've had regarding artificial intelligence and
(31:30):
the competition that we've seen of different platforms in different
countries that are trying to get ahead and lead the
way regarding AI.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Let's go to the iHeartRadio app here.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
If AI can help us figure out our worst strategy,
then couldn't it also help our enemies figure out what
our worst strategy is so they can better defend or
event go on the offense.
Speaker 9 (31:58):
Dev Yeah, the answeraps And this is why when when
you asked me about it, in no way it was
by view raw ra we have AI dominance. It was Like,
the very first thing that I said was, you know,
I'm not saying this is a good development in a
sense that you know it's not. You know, the US
is going to use this, Our adversaries are going to
use this, and AI gaps are very low. Right, Like,
(32:21):
while if you look in the post Cold War era,
do you the US have this massive military dominance, we
still do relative to the world, even relative to China.
So there's a lot of areas where China does have
military advantage over US, but like on AI, we do
not have an advantage, any sort of measurably huge advantage
(32:43):
over our adversaries. So the answer here is absolutely yes.
It's something that our enemies will use as well, and
they already are.
Speaker 11 (32:51):
Question for divide if he could only use one AI
chat for the rest of his life, which one would
it be, Why?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
And what settings would he change?
Speaker 9 (33:07):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I love it so for the rest of my life.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
It's me projecting forward which one I think is going
to end up winning out?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I think I would.
Speaker 9 (33:16):
I would choose chat GPT that I still think it's
its best position to win, though I think Claude's models
are currently better. But I would use it just because
I think there's so much resources behind chat GPT that
is going to remain one of the best, if not
the best, of the large language models. Defaults that I
would change, you know, I ask it to I would
(33:40):
ask it to be blunt with me. I'd ask it
to tell me when I when it thinks I'm making
a mistake. I'd ask it to be less sycophantic, not zero,
because like I think we could all use a cheerleader
in our life, even if it's an AI.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
But those are the main changes I would make.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
Oh and one other thing I like to do, and
I think it actually makes a difference, is I ask
the AI to, you know, either be as smart as
possible or to replicate genius levels of thought, which I
think in subtle ways causes it to up its game.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
We're going to I'm going to stick a pin in
our AI brain fry story. We can save that one,
hopefully for next week. Let's turn our attention over to schools.
Got to talk back that role then, And I want
to touch upon this article that I'll be discussing further
on today's show. A bipartisan group of Minnesota lawmakers put
forth a package of bills aimed at regulating artificial intelligence
(34:38):
in Minnesota. The package of five bills targets key areas
of AI regulation, prohibiting the use of artificial intelligence and
health insurance decisions, Barring children's access to chatlock chatbots, blocking
the use of AI to set product prices in real time,
mandating disclosure when consumers interact with AI. Banning government and
(35:00):
surveillance through reverse keyword and reverse location services. Now there's
you know, there's a lot that we could unpack, and
we don't have a ton of time on this. I'm
just curious you're your overall view of when you see
lawmakers wanting to go in and put regulations on artificial
intelligence over concerns of the influence that it could have
on children.
Speaker 9 (35:22):
For that particular issue, influence on children absolutely, right, Like
anybody with kids, you can already see how social media
has really changed what childhood means in generally in ways
that are pernicious.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
Right.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
I can't think of a lot of good that has
come from the proliferation of social media and the amount
of social pressures that it causes.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I think that probably if we're to do a.
Speaker 9 (35:48):
Study, we could link some non zero number of deaths
per year by suicide and other means to social media.
I think that's probably uncontroversial, and you for AI. The
implications of AI are going to be even more profound
in numerous ways. We just to name one which is
(36:08):
a humiliating thing that we did not have to deal
with growing up. It would be a revenge porn that's
done by AI. We've seen that already happen. So I
definitely think that you know, kids are vulnerable, right like anybody,
Like anybody like we've all been kids, and anybody who
(36:29):
is of adult age understands just how much more fragile
you are as a kid. There's a reason we try
to protect our children. And so whether or not I
agree with the specifics of this, I think that regulation
designed to protect kids is a positive thing.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
We should have it in place for AI. Let's wrap
on this question from a friend of the show, Rob.
Speaker 12 (36:51):
Good Morning, John and David Rob from Na Lakes. So
I'm a teacher and my question about AI is I
understand these companies need to make money, but why does
it seem like everything is so expensive. I've been using
an app called Base forty four to make games for
my students.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
But it just is not worth my money.
Speaker 12 (37:12):
And also he's going to be around five ten years later.
Am I going to be able to use them constantly? Thanks?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Guys, have a good day.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Maybe he should check out Expert Theory in the games
that you guys got to dead your thoughts on that.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
And we've actually put our and we've actually put our
platform for free at to some Minnesota schools. So if
Rob wants to reach out through you, I'd be happy
to you know, let him try out our platform, which
is not expensive.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Like the goal that.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
We have is to make games widely accessible at a
price everybody can afford. So my answer would be, look
for any company, why are they charging a lot? It's
often because it cost them a lot to develop the product.
I understand that, but ultimately I think that for me,
(38:02):
the reason I started this company as well as my
first one, was to do something good and you know,
for high schools, making your product accessible I think is
the best thing that you can do for people.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
If anybody wants that information, email me Justice at iHeartRadio
dot com, Justice at iHeartRadio dot com and I will
forward that over to TV the CEO at Expert Theory.
As always, time flies when we have you on. I
appreciate your insight and hopefully we'll talk again next week.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
My friend Hi quest John look forward to it coming up.
Walls and Administration Ghosts.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
The fraud hearing in Saint Paul during the legislative session yesterday,
even though the people that were supposed to show up
ended up showing up to the hearing right afterwards. Have
a lot of audio to share. First off, though, we'll
get you updated on Operation Epic Fury. The Pentagon is
about to hold a press conference and we'll bring that
to you live here on Twin City's News Talk AM
(39:00):
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