December 8, 2025 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Non I a minute, not Star Wars was stop.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
We can we do the whole second hour on Star
Wars too?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It was like ninety seconds, maybe two minutes.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I'm down for the second hour. You want to break
down the prequels.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
For those that missed it.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
I was talking with Andrew Langer here on Twin Cities
News Talk. That's in February of twenty twenty seven. For
the fiftieth anniversary of Star Wars. They're releasing the original.
This will be the one that aired in theaters, not
any of the additions that George Lucas made in the future.
May quite a bit of headlines over the weekend. People
know that I'm a Star Wars fan. Here, Like I said,
I spent like two minutes talking about with Andrew Langer
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and the friend of the show already complaining, you know what,
since that friend of the show complained, I'm gonna play
another talkback.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
Hey, John farm say. I also am looking to see
the original footage of Han shooting Grito first, because I'm good.
It's from the goods of bad and the ugly. You're
gonna shoot shoot, don't talk, all right, Grito and you
guys shot? You got what he deserves.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Fie are you? Are you a who shot first terrorist?
So here's the deal on that.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I'll spend another another, you know, sixty seconds talking about this.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
This is why you don't want to talk back about it,
because you you'll encourage it.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
So just a just a quick for those that may
not be familiar. In the original Star Wars, Han Solo
has a conversation. One of the first times we see Solo,
he has a conversation with an alien named Gredo and
they get to a back and forth, Gritos holding up
a gunpoint and Han shoots him before Greedo can get
a can get a shot off. And Lucas tinkered with
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that throughout the years and sort of made it closer
and closer to them shooting at the same time, or
making it look like Grido shot first, and all of this,
and so this has become a big, huge deal of
hanshot first. And answer to your question, I don't care
from an entertainment standpoint, like, it doesn't bother me when
I watch the film, right, I doesn't.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I don't get angry.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Preference would be the handshot first. I remember as a
five year old.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Seeing that happen and thinking to myself, Oh my gosh,
this guy just shot that green dude before anything else happened.
That was the cute it was.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
It had a huge impact on me as a as
a kid. So it should it should stay there. But
I don't get upset if it's a ficy a different version.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's just because it sets the tone.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
The people that get so haughty over it is because
while its said they can't trust Han Solo and he's
a dangerous guy, where if he responds then is to
like it changes the whole tone of it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I just I could carry the which way I like
the movies go.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Once you see it, you know what the story is.
It doesn't really matter anymore. That correct, That impact that's
going to have on you is gone.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's gone.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Hello that although we did watch I couldn't tell you
the last time I had seen it. We did watch
Titanic over the weekend, right, no little terry head right
there at the just a little tiny bit. Never seen it.
I know the story, I know what happens. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You need to see Titanic.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Yeah, come on, anyway, you're well first in movies, Brett,
I am, that's one you gotta see.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I enjoyed the Star Wars talk.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Oh no, I'm not briv enough of politics now.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
I just know that I'm going to get another talk
back from a friend of He is a friend of
the show.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
He just likes to complain a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
White House borders are Tom Homan pushback on Sunday after
CNNs and Dana Bash suggested federal immigration agents were stopping
suspected illegal immigrants based on their skin color.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Here's that how that exchange went down.
Speaker 8 (03:53):
You said in an interview this week that reasonable suspicion
can be based on quote, the location, their occupation, their
physical appearance, their actions. What about an individual's physical appearance
would give immigration agents quote reasonable suspicion that they might
be in the US illegally.
Speaker 9 (04:16):
Well, first of all, let me be clear. Physical description
can't be the sole factor to give you reasonal suspicion,
As I said to an interview's artypical facts with an s,
so appearance can be just one. For instance, if someone
has ans thirteen tattoo in the face, that may be
one factor to add to other factors to raise reason suspicion.
(04:37):
I want to be clear about that again, because my
work to take out of context physical description cannot be
the sole reason to detain and question somebody. That can't
be the sole reason to raise reasonal suspicion. It's a
myriad of factors, and I can see it for the
next half hour and give you all the factors. So
every officer, every situation is different. If I can tell
you this, Every ICE officer goes through Fourth Amendment training
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every six months. I reminded what their authorities are for
rest detention questioning. So the officer very well trained. So
I look forward to dj litigating the judge's decision. I
don't I think she'd make a decision well knowing what
that officer knows when they when they get on that
vehicle to question somebody.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It's all such make believe reporting. So drives me nuts.
Dana Bash knows this. I get it, like I understand
the reason why they're clearing it up for viewers. It's
not like Dana Bash is hoping here that you know,
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she's going to go and help Homan by giving him
an opportunity to explain himself. But she knows that it's
not the sole reason. I just it just seems like
such fake reporting. A letter signed by doctor Memet owez
on behalf of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services,
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says the agency is increasing concerned with the performance and
integrity of Minnesota's medicaid program and it could require immediate
action or the state's federal medicaid funding could be withheld
from programs expected of fraud. And just add this to
the growing list of federal tax dollars that Governor Tim
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Walls continues to put in jeopardy because of his failed leadership. Now,
as a bit of a preview, as we move into
hour two here on Twin Cities News Talk does a
story speaking of fake reporting.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
We're gonna spend some time on this. Coming up in
a moment.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
The Star Tribune over the weekend, Governor Tim Walls's buddy
that runs the Strip, Steve Grove, going out of their
way to try to help the DFL Democrats and Walls
anyway they can with a story that's been shredded by
a lot of different people, and I will do my part.
Coming up in just a moment, Trump claims Minnesota lost
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billions to fraud.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
The evidence to date isn't close.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
There's a very interesting semantics game that the Star Tribune
is playing with this piece that we'll dive into in
just a moment.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It's bogus. Let me just put it that way. It's bogus.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
It's billions, even if you go by the rationale of
the Star Tribune.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I don't care. Fraud is fraud, you know, like love
is love.
Speaker 10 (07:27):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
So we'll dive into this coming up in just a moment.
But let's continue with doctor Oz. So here's what doctor
Oz had to say over the weekend in reference to
what Fox nine was reporting on how he's calling for
Governor Tim Walls to address the systemic fraud in the
medicaid system in Minnesota.
Speaker 11 (07:47):
It's true, a Somali fraud ring in Minnesota. I stole
over a billion dollars for medicaid. How did this happen? Well,
Medicaid programs are run by the states, which in Minnesota
means the Tim Walls administration.
Speaker 12 (08:00):
Governor Walls and the states.
Speaker 11 (08:01):
Other Democrats rely on Somali votes to get elected. So
they decided to look the other way because they were
afraid of quote unquote political backlash.
Speaker 12 (08:11):
Don't take my word for it.
Speaker 11 (08:12):
That's what a Somali American fraud investigator told New York Times.
When these scammers realized that nobody was guarding the cash register,
they went gangbusters. One program designed to provide housing stabilization
assistance to patients ballooned to one hundred and four million
dollars when four years ago it was projected to cost
only two point six million. Some of these taxpayer funds
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may have even ended up in the hands of a
Somalian terrorist group, scary stuff. When CMS became aware of
the housing program situation, Minnesota insisted it could clean up
its ownness. A few months ago, it admitted it could not,
so we stepped in the shutdown the fraud infested housing Initiative.
Speaker 12 (08:54):
Today, we're taking action.
Speaker 11 (08:56):
On more than a dozen other programs, which have outlined
in the Postporlar.
Speaker 12 (09:00):
Our message to Walt's is clear.
Speaker 11 (09:02):
Either fix this in sixty days or start looking under
your cash for spare change, because we are done footing
the bill for your incompetence. This administration will never stop
fighting to protect the vulnerable Americans who rely on these
programs and the taxpayers who fund them. We're going to
crush waste, fraud, and abuse.
Speaker 13 (09:21):
Hey, could Republicans stop threatening and just start doing please?
I'm tired of Republican threats. They are always empty. It's
like they're a fake political party or something.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
But they're not always empty. That's just simply not true. Patience,
my young padawan. Things take time. This administration cannot just
run roughshod over these issues. They're under the spotlight, under
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scrutiny the likes of which no administration or president has
ever seen before. And these things take time. I too
want to see something get done. That's what doctor Oz
is talking about here. Now, you and I have known
about this for a long time. I understand how because
of the knowledge that we've had of the corruption, the fraud,
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waste and abuse here in Minnesota, that now that this
has reached the attention nationally, there is this desire for
something immediately to get done.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
But these things do take time.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
There's a process involved, and just because the rest of
the country is finally catching up doesn't mean that we're
immediately going to see any ramifications of what's taking place
at the federal level.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Regarding all of this.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
It speaks to the failure of the local media here
in Minnesota to raise the proper awareness over this beyond
cursory one day reporting on these particular issues just to
completely forget about it altogether. It's why you have Governor
Tim Walls's buddy Steve Grove over at the Star Tribune
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letting out these ridiculous pieces of propaganda that we'll talk
about next, wherein they claim Trump says that Minnesota has
lost billions to fraud, the evidence to date isn't close. Well,
you know what, the Star Tribute should go back and
look at their own reporting because I have multiple quotes from.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Previous stories in the Star Tribune where.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
They too perpetuate the idea that billions of dollars have.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Been lost because of fraud.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Because spoiler alert, billions of dollars have been lost because
of fraud. I will share with you the semantics game
that they're trying to play in this article. Have a
lot more audio to share, and of course we'll get
to more of your talkbacks brought to you by Lyndahl
Realty next on Twinsday's News Talk AM eleven thirty and
one oh three five FM.
Speaker 10 (11:44):
Good morning, John.
Speaker 14 (11:45):
I think you talk about the Medicare fraud and doctor
Oz's statements.
Speaker 15 (11:52):
You know, you just mentioned scrutiny that.
Speaker 14 (11:55):
Is placed on the Trump administration and everything they do
in the callback that would complain that Republicans aren't doing anything.
I wish the scrutiny that is placed on the Trump
administration would be placed on Tim Walls and all the
administration here in Minnesota. Can you imagine how it would
clean up?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Well, hopefully that's what's taking place right now.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
With what we're seeing.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
And all the attention that fraud is now garnering in
the mainstream news media. It's unfortunate that it's taken this
long for the news to get out. It speaks to
how complacent people have become here.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And this isn't a dig, it's just the reality.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Everybody has gotten very used to thinking that nothing is
going to happen on this and while that's still a possibility,
right now, more than ever, there is an opportunity to
actually go and do something and hold people accountable for
the fraud that's been taking place, and the Walls administration
has been forced to make their own moves, shutting off
funding the Housing and Human Services fourteen other programs actually
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being asked the tough questions by local media on the issue.
Speaker 16 (13:08):
I don't know if this is obvious, but Trump is
shrinking the federal government and by the time he's done,
probably by half, if not more. So in order to
do this, dates have to take on more responsibility. But
a state like Minnesota that is riddled with fraud, can
that happen? Probably not. So we're watching the exposure. We
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will watch people get arrested, we will watch people go
to prison. And I'm guessing Walls doesn't even make it
to the twenty sixth elections.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Well, I don't think. I think Walls is in big trouble.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I mentioned this with Andrew Langer last hour here on
Twin Cities News Talk. As we continue the show from
the six five to one carpet plus next day install studios,
I'm seeing more and more prominent voices out there, other
commentators that have different audiences than mine, that are saying
exactly the same thing. Shouldn't rerunning for reelection, going so
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far as to say Walls should resign. Will all of
it be enough pressure? I would love to be, as
I said late last week, a fly on the wall
to the internal conversations that are taking place among prominent
Democrats when Governor Tim Walls isn't around, and what they're
thinking right now of and if Governor Tim Walls is
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damaged to the point where he can't go and win reelection.
Speaker 12 (14:27):
Good morning, John.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I have a question as a Minnesota taxpayer, could a
bunch of taxpayers get together and file a class action
because this is becoming ridiculous if we put the word
out and started getting petitions and tens of thousands of
signed the people who want to sue Minnesota government.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Officials and programs for negligence, is that possible?
Speaker 12 (14:51):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (14:52):
So I sent you your talk back over to lawyer
extraordinaire Jeff O'Brien to get his quick answer, and he said,
theoretically yes, but it's also very complicated, and even without
being a lawyer extraordinaire as Jeff O'Brien is, that was
my initial gut reaction is that there probably is a
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technical avenue or as Jeff says, a theoretically a way
to go and do that. But in order to make
that happen and for it to be viable to get
enough people sign on, I would rather those energy at
that energy, any dollar amounts attached to it. I would
much rather have that focused on increasing voter turnout for
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Republicans heading into next year than trying to coordinate some
sort of class action lawsuit against the Walls administration, unless
that was part of the strategy to bring further attention
to what's going on. But right now it's getting a
lot of attention even without citizen lawsuits, which is why
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you have the Star Tribune trying to come to Governor
Tim wall Aid with ridiculous editorials like this one written
by Emmy Martin and Jeffrey might Draft over the weekend.
The fraud allegations have been used as a justification for
a federal immigration enforcement against Minnesota's Somali population. Trump claims
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Minnesota lost billions to fraud. The evidence to date isn't close.
There's a game that they're playing here. So here's what
they say in the piece. President Donald Trump's White House
claims and Democrats allowed one plus billion, a one plus
billion heist to take place, doing that thing with my fingers,
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a figure the administration is using to justify its recent
targeting of Somali migrants in Minnesota. Another way to word
that it's just immigration enforcement. I want to point out
that it's the Star Tribune that's making specific reference here
to Smali migrants.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
But be that as it may.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
During the Cabinet meeting on Tuesday. Last week, Trump asserted
money's been ripped off from Minnesota, billions of dollars, declaring
that he doesn't want the individuals in our country. The
message has become a coordinated refrained by members of the
Trump administration to criticize Democrat Governor Tim Walls as he
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runs for reelection while Minnesota is confronting one of the
largest of social services fraud scandals in its history. The
alleged fraud totals fall short of Trump's claims.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
A review of court records shows the alleged fraud uncovered
to date is closer to one hundred and fifty two
million dollars. Yes, that is the number that the Star
Tribune decided to land on, instead of a billion. Oh
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you know, it's more like one hundred and fifty two million.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Now.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
They do go on to say, though, that number is
expected to grow as ongoing state and federal investigations into
state programs continue. So what's going on here? We'll talk
more about this coming up in a moment. I've got
a lot of audio to share, including Treasury Secretary Biscent,
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who is also repeating the one billion dollars The Star
Tribune themselves have said over and over again that the
fraud is totally one billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
This is a.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Semantics game that Governor Tim Walls's buddy Steve Grove at
the behest of his writers here for the Star Tribune
and perpetuating. Let me give you an example of what
they're doing here. So let's say that there was an
act of terrorism. So a terrorist detonates a suicide vest
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filled with explosive C four. He does this in the
center of a crowd of individuals. We'll say there's one
hundred people standing around this terrorist is he nates his explosives.
In the aftermath, authorities identify three bodies, ninety seven are
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still missing. So you could say three confirmed dead, ninety
seven unaccounted for, or you can say one hundred people
died in the blast. That's what they're doing here. Officially,
I'm taking the tone of a Star Tribune reporter right now.
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You know, officially, according to court records, it's only one
hundred and fifty two million dollars. That's not the reality.
It's not even close to being the reality. Everybody knows it.
The Star Tribune knows it. According to federal prosecutors. The
fraud schemes amounted to more than one billion and resulted
in convictions for nearly sixty people. That's according to one
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Star Tribune story. Another Star Tribune story, Minnesota is becoming,
if it has than already a national poster child for
public corruption, with fraud now approaching one billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
That's another article.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Federal prosecutor say fraudsters stole more than one billion from
state run programs in recent years.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
That's another Star Tribune story.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Oh and then you just go directly to the US
Attorney's Office District of Minnesota feeding our future house stabilization services,
autism services.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
These massive fraud.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Schemes form a web that has stolen billions of dollars
in taxpayer money. But the Star Tribune wants to have
you believe that there's this semantics game going on where
you know, well, technically, guys, it's only one hundred and
fifty two million dollars.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
If this is all that the Democrats have that the.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Leftists have to push back on what is being exposed
at the national level now, then Governor Tim Walls is
in a lot more trouble than even I have presented
on this very show on Twin City's News Talk b
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 17 (21:03):
Look, I understand people skepticism about Walls being held accountable
for anything. He's skated through COVID without any accountability. But
after January, once the holiday seasons are done, he's going
to face all.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Kinds of scrutiny because we're going to enter into an.
Speaker 17 (21:21):
Election year and all this stuff is going to come
up over and over and over again.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I don't think he survives it, but we'll see.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
No, I don't think he politically survives it either, but
I will echo your sentiment and say we shall see,
because we're not.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Done these investigations.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Now that we're getting attention at the national level, we're
only going to see more exposure. All of the fraud
has yet to be exposed, and I want to give
credit where credit is absolutely Do I understand or I
could understand me. Let me rephrase this, because I don't
know of this secifically, so I don't want to speak
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out of turn, but I can certainly understand why individuals
that have been on top of this stuff for a
long time, whether you are a member of the legislature,
whether you are you know with Alpha News or American Experiment.
They've been talking about these issues, discussing them from multiple
different angles. Bill Glahn and centered the American Experiment, and
I have some stories of his regarding the very thing
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that we're talking about in the Start Tribune article that
I'll share with you in just a moment. Has certainly
been on top of the fraud, as has Liz Colin
over at Alpha News regarding all the corruption across the board,
the larger issues of the state, especially surrounding the Walls administration.
They've been on top of it, exposing This is why
we've known about this stuff for a long time. But
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now it's receiving national intention. So there's a bit of
a redundancy in what we're talking about on the show.
But to the Talkbacker's point, no, I tend to agree
the media isn't holding back anymore. I have some spectacular ought.
As a matter of fact, you know what, I'm money
even gonna wait, I'm gonna go ahead and share it
with you now. I want to get back to this
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story from the Star Tribune as Governor Tim Walls's buddy
Steve Grove attempts to go and provide cover for Walls.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Saying well, you know right now, a covered the you know.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
The fraud is only about one hundred and fifty two
million dollars, So it's not the billions that they're saying. Again,
it's a semantics game. This article is going to age badly.
They don't care at the Star Tribune, though, my guess
is without any evidence at all that there was a
favor being done here, can we take some heat off
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of me?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Can we push back on this a little bit?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
That they keep saying billion, billion, billion, And I don't
think most people really have respect for how much money
a billion dollars is. You lose concepts of how much
money this actually is. I mean one billion dollars. I
don't know if you're aware of this. Brett is producing
the show this morning in the Master control. But it's
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a lot of money, like a lot of Like a
billion dollars is like a.
Speaker 12 (24:12):
Lot of money.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
But we don't respect those values anymore in terms of
the dollar amounts when you hear them. That's why you
don't hear about the million dollar reward on Survivor being
a big deal anymore.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
That was the whole crux of the show when it started.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
You could win a million dollars for just surviving thirty
days without all of these different luxuries in life. And
now they don't even talk about that anymore because we've
lost all We've lost all respect for just how much
money that actually is. This is the classic. A million seconds?
How long you think? A million seconds?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Okay? Okay, okay, give him go.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And you give it you just yet eleven and a
half days, A million seconds okay? A billion seconds thirty
one point seven years, wow.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Longer than you've been alive. That is true. I have
not been alive for a billion seconds yet.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
So before we get back to the Star Tribune article here,
I want to share this with you because if it's
in better here than where I was going to play
it earlier. This video went viral over the weekend. This
is lou Ragus from Caro leven to the previous talkbackers
point of the media is no longer, at least in
these cases, shielding Walls from scrutiny when he's out there
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making certain statements that simply aren't true.
Speaker 18 (25:27):
Minnesota Governor Tim Walls and his political allies continue to
incorrectly claim that the state was responsible for stopping the
massive feeding our future fraud, despite the evidence that's come
out in each trial and the legislative audit that was
done proving that false. This week at an event, Walls
claimed the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which the governor oversees,
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investigated the case then handed it over to the federal
authorities who charged it. The truth is the BCA was
not involved at all. It was the FBI.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
Then on CNN s Paul Mayor Melvin Carter said this.
Speaker 19 (26:00):
And by the way, those fraud allegations were uncovered by
local law enforcement and our state, our state attorney general
press charges state. Actually, our state law enforcement presence is
what caught that is what held those folks accountable.
Speaker 18 (26:13):
Again, it's not true that local law enforcement uncovered the
fraud and who prosecuted it.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It was the US.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Attorney's office, not the state attorney general. Look at the
timeline here from the legislative audit.
Speaker 18 (26:24):
In February twenty twenty one, the FBI actually first contacted
the Minnesota Department of Education about fraud allegations that they
had heard about. Then in April twenty twenty one, MB
provided info to the FBI about the fraud. Remember how
there was also a lawsuit after the Education Department did
try to stop paying the fraudsters. Well, in that case,
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the Attorney General's office in MD did not even tell
the judge that fraud was the reason they wanted to
stop paying. Look at this damning deposition of MD Assistant
Commissioner Darren Cordy during that civil case. Feeding Our Future's
lawyer asked, did you ever address with the commissioner or
the possibility of there being any fraud in the meal programs?
Speaker 7 (27:04):
Courty answers no, not in those terms.
Speaker 18 (27:07):
Then does MDE to your knowledge, have any reason to
suspect there's been intentional acts of fraud with respect to
the meal programs?
Speaker 7 (27:15):
In courty answers no.
Speaker 18 (27:17):
At this point, I've reported over one hundred stories on
the Feeding Her Future case. I know an untrue statement
about this case when I see one. If this talking
point from the governor continues, you can consider this the
fact check.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
I'm louver goose follow for more news.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah. Out of Carol Levin. When you lie so blatantly.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
That you have local media straight up calling you out
on it, why do you think Liz Colin called her
book they're lying. I know they were talking and she
was focused on the death of George Floyd, but you
know that is sort of a universal theme among Democrats
here in the state of Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Of course, when Keith Ellison is asked.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
About whether or not he would do anything differently after
the state was warned about fraud that cost taxpayers again
a billion dollars, and we'll get back to the start
to be an article here in just a bit, Keith
Elson basically said, no, I wouldn't do anything differently. I
do want to ask he's talking with Anderson Cooper on CNN.
Speaker 20 (28:19):
I do want to ask you about the fraud scandal.
I mean, because the president's comments seemed at least in
part fueled by or he's talking about this fraud scandal
that we mentioned earlier involving that charity called Feeding Our Future.
The vast majority of these seventy defendants charging the case
were Somali. For perspective, those are nearly eighty thousand smallies
in the state.
Speaker 12 (28:38):
How much I mean.
Speaker 20 (28:39):
Critics have said the state officials, including you and the governor,
did not act fast enough or quickly enough to investigate
charges of fraud against the Feeding Our Future and did
little to flag their allegations to federal authorities. I know
you said it was the federal government didn't move fast enough.
Is there any Is there something you wish you had
done differently?
Speaker 9 (29:00):
No?
Speaker 21 (29:01):
We First of all, the Department of Education denied claims
when they were when questionable claims were made about these meals.
My office went to court explained that to the court.
A judge actually found the department and cound tempt for
denying claims. So yeah, and we cooperated fully and worked
well with the FBI. We are we're glad that we
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took the action that we did.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Would you do anything differently?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
No?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
And of course the added commentary there of exactly what
Carol Levins Ragus was saying there just a moment ago
here on Twin City's News Talk as we go back
to the iHeartRadio app Talkbacks brought to you by Lendall Realty.
Speaker 22 (29:46):
Hi, John sum leave to talk back about all the
fraud discussion in the Tribune article. Did they mention the
childcare assistance program fraud that took place, which was again
among the Somali community. So never hear that discussed when
we're talking about the context of the fraud in Minnesota
running into the billion.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
No, I think what I what they focus on here.
I think it's everything post COVID. You're right, there's a
broader question regarding fraud that's been going on for a
long time, and many of you have pointed this out
in the talkbacks this morning. But a lot of what
we're discussing, and even what I cover here on the
show on Twin City's News talk is usually focused on
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everything from COVID onwards. Let's get back to the Star
Tribute story. Trump claims Minnesota lost billions. The evidence to
date isn't close. And again they're going off of just
specific court records, and they say, really, the technical number
is just one hundred and fifty two million. Now they
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go on to say from a scandal, and here you go,
involving feeding our future, nonprofit that distributed federal child nutrition
dollars to housing and autism services, billing the alleged losses
to date, our affraction of the billions claimed by the administration,
technically speaking, doing that thing with my fingers. Asked by
reporters about the figure cited by federal officials on Thursday,
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Wall said he did not know the source of that estimate.
I don't know where they're getting that number. I don't
think we know it yet. It certainly could be, but
we don't know on this. He estimated the state would
have a better idea of the fraud's impact in late January.
The billion dollar figure first has surfaced in July, when
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Joseph Thompson, acting US Attorney, was investigating the Minnesota House
Stabilization Services program, but Thompson, who did not respond to
The Star Tribute's request for comment, has not offered evidence
to support the billion dollar figure.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
He doesn't have to. It's there in the numbers. Again.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I go back to my other analogy. You have a
terror attack, one hundred people involved. After the terrorists debts
his suicide vests, three bodies end up being recovered. Ninety
seven individuals are unaccounted for. And you'll get this, Well,
we know three confirmed dead, even though it's a pretty
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good guest those other ninety seven individuals are dead to
since they're unaccounted for it. They just haven't been able
to identify. This is a semantics game. The fraud, he
has cited in cases to date, totals about twenty four
million across two medicaid programs, roughly ten million tied to
Housing Services fourteen million involving autism therapy for children. In
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the Feeding Our Future case, which some of you have
brought up via the talkback, which occurred between twenty eighteen
and twenty twenty one. You and I both know that
involves some two hundred and fifty million bill through the
federal child nutrition programs administered by the Minnesota Department of Education.
Federal prosecutors have not produced enough evidence, says the Star Tribune,
indicating all of the money was fraudulent. A Star Tribune
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review puts the alleged fraud closer to one hundred and.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Twenty eight million.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
The key ring leaders were convicted this year, including the
top Feeding our Future official. Most of the three hundred
entities involving Feeding Our Future have not been directly accused
of wrongdoing, and many criminal.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Cases are pending. That's the key point right there.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
You see, the Star Tribune can get away with this
article based off of their own criteria in their minds,
because eventually, when we have it officially on record at
doing nothing with my fingers, it will total far beyond
the one billion dollars. They won't go and say their
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reporting was wrong. They'll just say, well, at the time,
according to the official numbers, it wasn't a billion dollars,
but now it is.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Hello, this is Armando from Chaska. I sure do know
that the Minnesota tax Department love the sandy letters if
you owe, but there was no accountability at the other departments.
Speaker 12 (34:07):
Just ridiculous.
Speaker 23 (34:08):
Hey, John, your numbers discussion reminded me of a KSTP
article that came out last week. It said that the
Somali community contributes over sixty seven million dollars to taxes. Well,
they've also said that there's eighty thousand Somalis living in Minnesota.
Speaker 12 (34:25):
Divide sixty seven million.
Speaker 23 (34:27):
Divide about eighty thousand, and you get nine hundred dollars
a person. Do that to the Minnesota people and taxpayers
just Minnesota in general, it's up to ten thousand a person.
Speaker 15 (34:40):
While I tend to believe we're in the billions of
taxpayer dollars lost to fraud in Minnesota, perhaps the Star
Tribune could have put the accent on it's already at
least one hundred and fifty two million dollars of our
taxpayers money, rather than oh, it's only one hundred and
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fifty two that's a ton of money. Lost to fraud.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
If the Strip wants to discredit, they're already failing publication
further than by all means, continue to put out articles
trying to go and shield walls from scrutiny on this.
If this is all they have, one need only go
over to Center of the American Experiment, read anything about
the issue from Bill Glahn, look at his scandal tracker,
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and you can see the amount of money that this
is going to turn out to be.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Now.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
The Star Tribune article goes on to say, many state
social service programs have seen exponential growth over the past
five years, a DHS spokesperson, so the department does not
have an estimate of alleged fraud in its medicaid programs.
So Molly leaders warned that sweeping claims about billions and
stolen aid or fueling backlash against law abiding families, that's
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being perpetuated by Democrats. They're the ones that have taken
a stance that if you add in the Somali community
element to these conversations, which is factually accurate, any mention
of that is indeed making that commentary racis. That's the
standard that they have on the left don't fall for it.
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Minnesota has confronted outside fraud allegations before, sets the Star Tribune.
Between twenty eleven and twenty sixteen, whistleblowers claim the state's
childcare assistance program was losing as much as one hundred
million annually to fraud and that some of the money
was being funneled overseas and terrorist groups.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
So they do go back in time.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
As we mentioned before, a twenty nineteen report by the
Office of Legislative Auditor found no evidence to support those claims. However,
they go on to say, while auditors continue to confirm
five to six million in child of childcare fraud during
that period, they called the broader out legations misleading and
determine the sensational figures and circulating at the time were
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vastly overstated.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
I don't trust anything coming out of.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
The Walls administration that reporting from Lou Ragos is spot on.
Mayor Melvin Carter, Governor Tim Walls straight up lies that
they're being corrected by the mainstream media. Do you really
think they're going to be truthful on the issues that
we're talking about right now relating to fraud and speaking
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of Bill Glon, he covers this article Trump claiming the
lost billions to fraud evidence todate isn't close, Bill writes.
The Star Tremunes figure as we've talked about one hundred
and fifty two million or zero.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
They write a.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Review of court records show the alleged to fraud uncovered
to date is closer to one hundred and fifty two million.
Alleged Glon points out convictions in federal court exceed sixty
to five millions of dollars in property seized by the
Feds have already been sold off. The Star Tribune says
it's only alleged fraud, nothing definitively proven to the state.
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The scandal tracker, not updated since July, by the way,
shows six hundred and sixty one million in fraud since
Walls became governor. Before Steve Grove joined the Star Tribune,
he served on the cabinet of Walls as the commissioner
of the Department of Employment and Economic Development. Three items
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on the tracker, totally over thirty million, are associated with
deed Department of Employment in Economic Development, specifically with the
agency's operation of the state Unemployment program. The Star Tribune's
anti Trump low ball estimate can be most charitably viewed
as an exercise in refusing to see the forest for
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the trees. Just because Trump said it, they must prove
nothing of the sort ever happened. Treasury Secretary Scott a
sent over the weekend speaking of a billion dollars in fraud,
was asked about this issue with Margaret Brennan on CBS
(39:13):
Face the Nation.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Here is that exchange.
Speaker 24 (39:17):
The President told you though this week to look into
Somali's who quote ripped off that state for billions of dollars.
He said, they contribute nothing. What exactly are you investigating?
Speaker 10 (39:28):
Well, Margaret, to be clear, the initial fraud that was
discovered by the IRS, for which I'm the acting Commissioner,
is discovered by IRS a criminal investigations unit.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
This was not an indogenous.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
Thing that the state of Minnesota decided we had to
go in and clean up the mess for them, and
this is part of the continued cleanup. A lot of
money has been transferred, they have from the individuals who
committed this fraud, including those who donated to the government governor,
donated to represent Omar, donated to A g Ellison, but
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they've been transferred to something called MBS's and those are
what do you mean, sorry, transferred to what these are money?
The bureau services and there are wire transfer organizations that
are outside the regulated banking system, and that money has
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gone overseas and we are tracking that they both to
the Middle East and Somalia to see what the uses
of that have been.
Speaker 24 (40:33):
Okay, but you have no evidence of that money being
used to fuel terrorism. Well that's a point, which is
what some conservative writers are elected.
Speaker 10 (40:41):
That's why it's an investigation. We started it last week.
We'll see where it goes. But I can tell you that,
you know, it's terrible. The Representative Omar tried to downplay it, said, oh,
it was very the it was very tough to know
how this money should should be used. She was gaslighting
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the American people talk to her. Yeah, but when you
come to this country, you got to learn which side
of the road to drive on, You got to learn
to stop the stop signs, and you got to learn
the not to defraud the American people.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
On the whole Tim Walls thing in the fraud, it's
not just Walls himself who's involved in this, Keith Ellison
and the Democrat Party at large, they're all responsible for it,
and they're all deep into it, and it's already too
late for them to just wash their hands of a
whole mess in that there's gonna be a lot of
stuff coming on on this, I fully believe, and I
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believe that at least Walls and Nelson they're going to
go down for it. All right, Thanks Bott.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Yeah, we're going to talk more about Keith Ellison and
coming up in just a moment. We have some audio
to share. Also, Ilhan Omar had a rather lengthy interview
that did not go very well on that very show
that you just heard from Face the Nation and Margaret
Margaret Brennan.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
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Non I a minute, not Star Wars was stop.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
We can we do the whole second hour on Star
Wars too?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It was like ninety seconds, maybe two minutes.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I'm down for the second hour. You want to break
down the prequels.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
For those that missed it.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
I was talking with Andrew Langer here on Twin Cities
News Talk. That's in February of twenty twenty seven. For
the fiftieth anniversary of Star Wars. They're releasing the original.
This will be the one that aired in theaters, not
any of the additions that George Lucas made in the future.
May quite a bit of headlines over the weekend. People
know that I'm a Star Wars fan. Here, Like I said,
I spent like two minutes talking about with Andrew Langer
(00:52):
and the friend of the show already complaining, you know what,
since that friend of the show complained, I'm gonna play
another talkback.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
Hey, John farm say. I also am looking to see
the original footage of Han shooting Grito first, because I'm good.
It's from the goods of bad and the ugly. You're
gonna shoot shoot, don't talk, all right, Grito and you
guys shot? You got what he deserves.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Fie are you? Are you a who shot first terrorist?
So here's the deal on that.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I'll spend another another, you know, sixty seconds talking about this.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
This is why you don't want to talk back about it,
because you you'll encourage it.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
So just a just a quick for those that may
not be familiar. In the original Star Wars, Han Solo
has a conversation. One of the first times we see Solo,
he has a conversation with an alien named Gredo and
they get to a back and forth, Gritos holding up
a gunpoint and Han shoots him before Greedo can get
a can get a shot off. And Lucas tinkered with
(01:56):
that throughout the years and sort of made it closer
and closer to them shooting at the same time, or
making it look like Grido shot first, and all of this,
and so this has become a big, huge deal of
hanshot first. And answer to your question, I don't care
from an entertainment standpoint, like, it doesn't bother me when
I watch the film, right, I doesn't.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I don't get angry.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Preference would be the handshot first. I remember as a
five year old.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Seeing that happen and thinking to myself, Oh my gosh,
this guy just shot that green dude before anything else happened.
That was the cute it was.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
It had a huge impact on me as a as
a kid. So it should it should stay there. But
I don't get upset if it's a ficy a different version.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
It's just because it sets the tone.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
The people that get so haughty over it is because
while its said they can't trust Han Solo and he's
a dangerous guy, where if he responds then is to
like it changes the whole tone of it.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I just I could carry the which way I like
the movies go.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Once you see it, you know what the story is.
It doesn't really matter anymore. That correct, That impact that's
going to have on you is gone.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's gone.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Hello that although we did watch I couldn't tell you
the last time I had seen it. We did watch
Titanic over the weekend, right, no little terry head right
there at the just a little tiny bit. Never seen it.
I know the story, I know what happens. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
You need to see Titanic.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Yeah, come on, anyway, you're well first in movies, Brett,
I am, that's one you gotta see.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I enjoyed the Star Wars talk.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Oh no, I'm not briv enough of politics now.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
I just know that I'm going to get another talk
back from a friend of He is a friend of
the show.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
He just likes to complain a lot.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
White House borders are Tom Homan pushback on Sunday after
CNNs and Dana Bash suggested federal immigration agents were stopping
suspected illegal immigrants based on their skin color.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Here's that how that exchange went down.
Speaker 8 (03:53):
You said in an interview this week that reasonable suspicion
can be based on quote, the location, their occupation, their
physical appearance, their actions. What about an individual's physical appearance
would give immigration agents quote reasonable suspicion that they might
be in the US illegally.
Speaker 9 (04:16):
Well, first of all, let me be clear. Physical description
can't be the sole factor to give you reasonal suspicion,
As I said to an interview's artypical facts with an s,
so appearance can be just one. For instance, if someone
has ans thirteen tattoo in the face, that may be
one factor to add to other factors to raise reason suspicion.
(04:37):
I want to be clear about that again, because my
work to take out of context physical description cannot be
the sole reason to detain and question somebody. That can't
be the sole reason to raise reasonal suspicion. It's a
myriad of factors, and I can see it for the
next half hour and give you all the factors. So
every officer, every situation is different. If I can tell
you this, Every ICE officer goes through Fourth Amendment training
(04:58):
every six months. I reminded what their authorities are for
rest detention questioning. So the officer very well trained. So
I look forward to dj litigating the judge's decision. I
don't I think she'd make a decision well knowing what
that officer knows when they when they get on that
vehicle to question somebody.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It's all such make believe reporting. So drives me nuts.
Dana Bash knows this. I get it, like I understand
the reason why they're clearing it up for viewers. It's
not like Dana Bash is hoping here that you know,
(05:36):
she's going to go and help Homan by giving him
an opportunity to explain himself. But she knows that it's
not the sole reason. I just it just seems like
such fake reporting. A letter signed by doctor Memet owez
on behalf of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services,
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says the agency is increasing concerned with the performance and
integrity of Minnesota's medicaid program and it could require immediate
action or the state's federal medicaid funding could be withheld
from programs expected of fraud. And just add this to
the growing list of federal tax dollars that Governor Tim
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Walls continues to put in jeopardy because of his failed leadership. Now,
as a bit of a preview, as we move into
hour two here on Twin Cities News Talk does a
story speaking of fake reporting.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
We're gonna spend some time on this. Coming up in
a moment.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
The Star Tribune over the weekend, Governor Tim Walls's buddy
that runs the Strip, Steve Grove, going out of their
way to try to help the DFL Democrats and Walls
anyway they can with a story that's been shredded by
a lot of different people, and I will do my part.
Coming up in just a moment, Trump claims Minnesota lost
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billions to fraud.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
The evidence to date isn't close.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
There's a very interesting semantics game that the Star Tribune
is playing with this piece that we'll dive into in
just a moment.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It's bogus. Let me just put it that way. It's bogus.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
It's billions, even if you go by the rationale of
the Star Tribune.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I don't care. Fraud is fraud, you know, like love
is love.
Speaker 10 (07:27):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
So we'll dive into this coming up in just a moment.
But let's continue with doctor Oz. So here's what doctor
Oz had to say over the weekend in reference to
what Fox nine was reporting on how he's calling for
Governor Tim Walls to address the systemic fraud in the
medicaid system in Minnesota.
Speaker 11 (07:47):
It's true, a Somali fraud ring in Minnesota. I stole
over a billion dollars for medicaid. How did this happen? Well,
Medicaid programs are run by the states, which in Minnesota
means the Tim Walls administration.
Speaker 12 (08:00):
Governor Walls and the states.
Speaker 11 (08:01):
Other Democrats rely on Somali votes to get elected. So
they decided to look the other way because they were
afraid of quote unquote political backlash.
Speaker 12 (08:11):
Don't take my word for it.
Speaker 11 (08:12):
That's what a Somali American fraud investigator told New York Times.
When these scammers realized that nobody was guarding the cash register,
they went gangbusters. One program designed to provide housing stabilization
assistance to patients ballooned to one hundred and four million
dollars when four years ago it was projected to cost
only two point six million. Some of these taxpayer funds
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may have even ended up in the hands of a
Somalian terrorist group, scary stuff. When CMS became aware of
the housing program situation, Minnesota insisted it could clean up
its ownness. A few months ago, it admitted it could not,
so we stepped in the shutdown the fraud infested housing Initiative.
Speaker 12 (08:54):
Today, we're taking action.
Speaker 11 (08:56):
On more than a dozen other programs, which have outlined
in the Postporlar.
Speaker 12 (09:00):
Our message to Walt's is clear.
Speaker 11 (09:02):
Either fix this in sixty days or start looking under
your cash for spare change, because we are done footing
the bill for your incompetence. This administration will never stop
fighting to protect the vulnerable Americans who rely on these
programs and the taxpayers who fund them. We're going to
crush waste, fraud, and abuse.
Speaker 13 (09:21):
Hey, could Republicans stop threatening and just start doing please?
I'm tired of Republican threats. They are always empty. It's
like they're a fake political party or something.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
But they're not always empty. That's just simply not true. Patience,
my young padawan. Things take time. This administration cannot just
run roughshod over these issues. They're under the spotlight, under
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scrutiny the likes of which no administration or president has
ever seen before. And these things take time. I too
want to see something get done. That's what doctor Oz
is talking about here. Now, you and I have known
about this for a long time. I understand how because
of the knowledge that we've had of the corruption, the fraud,
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waste and abuse here in Minnesota, that now that this
has reached the attention nationally, there is this desire for
something immediately to get done.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
But these things do take time.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
There's a process involved, and just because the rest of
the country is finally catching up doesn't mean that we're
immediately going to see any ramifications of what's taking place
at the federal level.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Regarding all of this.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
It speaks to the failure of the local media here
in Minnesota to raise the proper awareness over this beyond
cursory one day reporting on these particular issues just to
completely forget about it altogether. It's why you have Governor
Tim Walls's buddy Steve Grove over at the Star Tribune
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letting out these ridiculous pieces of propaganda that we'll talk
about next, wherein they claim Trump says that Minnesota has
lost billions to fraud, the evidence to date isn't close. Well,
you know what, the Star Tribute should go back and
look at their own reporting because I have multiple quotes from.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Previous stories in the Star Tribune where.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
They too perpetuate the idea that billions of dollars have.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Been lost because of fraud.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Because spoiler alert, billions of dollars have been lost because
of fraud. I will share with you the semantics game
that they're trying to play in this article. Have a
lot more audio to share, and of course we'll get
to more of your talkbacks brought to you by Lyndahl
Realty next on Twinsday's News Talk AM eleven thirty and
one oh three five FM.
Speaker 10 (11:44):
Good morning, John.
Speaker 14 (11:45):
I think you talk about the Medicare fraud and doctor
Oz's statements.
Speaker 15 (11:52):
You know, you just mentioned scrutiny that.
Speaker 14 (11:55):
Is placed on the Trump administration and everything they do
in the callback that would complain that Republicans aren't doing anything.
I wish the scrutiny that is placed on the Trump
administration would be placed on Tim Walls and all the
administration here in Minnesota. Can you imagine how it would
clean up?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Well, hopefully that's what's taking place right now.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
With what we're seeing.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
And all the attention that fraud is now garnering in
the mainstream news media. It's unfortunate that it's taken this
long for the news to get out. It speaks to
how complacent people have become here.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And this isn't a dig, it's just the reality.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Everybody has gotten very used to thinking that nothing is
going to happen on this and while that's still a possibility,
right now, more than ever, there is an opportunity to
actually go and do something and hold people accountable for
the fraud that's been taking place, and the Walls administration
has been forced to make their own moves, shutting off
funding the Housing and Human Services fourteen other programs actually
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being asked the tough questions by local media on the issue.
Speaker 16 (13:08):
I don't know if this is obvious, but Trump is
shrinking the federal government and by the time he's done,
probably by half, if not more. So in order to
do this, dates have to take on more responsibility. But
a state like Minnesota that is riddled with fraud, can
that happen? Probably not. So we're watching the exposure. We
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will watch people get arrested, we will watch people go
to prison. And I'm guessing Walls doesn't even make it
to the twenty sixth elections.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Well, I don't think. I think Walls is in big trouble.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
I mentioned this with Andrew Langer last hour here on
Twin Cities News Talk. As we continue the show from
the six five to one carpet plus next day install studios,
I'm seeing more and more prominent voices out there, other
commentators that have different audiences than mine, that are saying
exactly the same thing. Shouldn't rerunning for reelection, going so
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far as to say Walls should resign. Will all of
it be enough pressure? I would love to be, as
I said late last week, a fly on the wall
to the internal conversations that are taking place among prominent
Democrats when Governor Tim Walls isn't around, and what they're
thinking right now of and if Governor Tim Walls is
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damaged to the point where he can't go and win reelection.
Speaker 12 (14:27):
Good morning, John.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I have a question as a Minnesota taxpayer, could a
bunch of taxpayers get together and file a class action
because this is becoming ridiculous if we put the word
out and started getting petitions and tens of thousands of
signed the people who want to sue Minnesota government.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Officials and programs for negligence, is that possible?
Speaker 12 (14:51):
Thank you?
Speaker 5 (14:52):
So I sent you your talk back over to lawyer
extraordinaire Jeff O'Brien to get his quick answer, and he said,
theoretically yes, but it's also very complicated, and even without
being a lawyer extraordinaire as Jeff O'Brien is, that was
my initial gut reaction is that there probably is a
(15:12):
technical avenue or as Jeff says, a theoretically a way
to go and do that. But in order to make
that happen and for it to be viable to get
enough people sign on, I would rather those energy at
that energy, any dollar amounts attached to it. I would
much rather have that focused on increasing voter turnout for
(15:36):
Republicans heading into next year than trying to coordinate some
sort of class action lawsuit against the Walls administration, unless
that was part of the strategy to bring further attention
to what's going on. But right now it's getting a
lot of attention even without citizen lawsuits, which is why
(15:56):
you have the Star Tribune trying to come to Governor
Tim wall Aid with ridiculous editorials like this one written
by Emmy Martin and Jeffrey might Draft over the weekend.
The fraud allegations have been used as a justification for
a federal immigration enforcement against Minnesota's Somali population. Trump claims
(16:16):
Minnesota lost billions to fraud. The evidence to date isn't close.
There's a game that they're playing here. So here's what
they say in the piece. President Donald Trump's White House
claims and Democrats allowed one plus billion, a one plus
billion heist to take place, doing that thing with my fingers,
(16:36):
a figure the administration is using to justify its recent
targeting of Somali migrants in Minnesota. Another way to word
that it's just immigration enforcement. I want to point out
that it's the Star Tribune that's making specific reference here
to Smali migrants.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
But be that as it may.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
During the Cabinet meeting on Tuesday. Last week, Trump asserted
money's been ripped off from Minnesota, billions of dollars, declaring
that he doesn't want the individuals in our country. The
message has become a coordinated refrained by members of the
Trump administration to criticize Democrat Governor Tim Walls as he
(17:15):
runs for reelection while Minnesota is confronting one of the
largest of social services fraud scandals in its history. The
alleged fraud totals fall short of Trump's claims.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
A review of court records shows the alleged fraud uncovered
to date is closer to one hundred and fifty two
million dollars. Yes, that is the number that the Star
Tribune decided to land on, instead of a billion. Oh
(17:51):
you know, it's more like one hundred and fifty two million.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Now.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
They do go on to say, though, that number is
expected to grow as ongoing state and federal investigations into
state programs continue. So what's going on here? We'll talk
more about this coming up in a moment. I've got
a lot of audio to share, including Treasury Secretary Biscent,
(18:18):
who is also repeating the one billion dollars The Star
Tribune themselves have said over and over again that the
fraud is totally one billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
This is a.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Semantics game that Governor Tim Walls's buddy Steve Grove at
the behest of his writers here for the Star Tribune
and perpetuating. Let me give you an example of what
they're doing here. So let's say that there was an
act of terrorism. So a terrorist detonates a suicide vest
(18:49):
filled with explosive C four. He does this in the
center of a crowd of individuals. We'll say there's one
hundred people standing around this terrorist is he nates his explosives.
In the aftermath, authorities identify three bodies, ninety seven are
(19:12):
still missing. So you could say three confirmed dead, ninety
seven unaccounted for, or you can say one hundred people
died in the blast. That's what they're doing here. Officially,
I'm taking the tone of a Star Tribune reporter right now.
(19:34):
You know, officially, according to court records, it's only one
hundred and fifty two million dollars. That's not the reality.
It's not even close to being the reality. Everybody knows it.
The Star Tribune knows it. According to federal prosecutors. The
fraud schemes amounted to more than one billion and resulted
in convictions for nearly sixty people. That's according to one
(19:56):
Star Tribune story. Another Star Tribune story, Minnesota is becoming,
if it has than already a national poster child for
public corruption, with fraud now approaching one billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
That's another article.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Federal prosecutor say fraudsters stole more than one billion from
state run programs in recent years.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
That's another Star Tribune story.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Oh and then you just go directly to the US
Attorney's Office District of Minnesota feeding our future house stabilization services,
autism services.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
These massive fraud.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Schemes form a web that has stolen billions of dollars
in taxpayer money. But the Star Tribune wants to have
you believe that there's this semantics game going on where
you know, well, technically, guys, it's only one hundred and
fifty two million dollars.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
If this is all that the Democrats have that the.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Leftists have to push back on what is being exposed
at the national level now, then Governor Tim Walls is
in a lot more trouble than even I have presented
on this very show on Twin City's News Talk b
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 17 (21:03):
Look, I understand people skepticism about Walls being held accountable
for anything. He's skated through COVID without any accountability. But
after January, once the holiday seasons are done, he's going
to face all.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Kinds of scrutiny because we're going to enter into an.
Speaker 17 (21:21):
Election year and all this stuff is going to come
up over and over and over again.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I don't think he survives it, but we'll see.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
No, I don't think he politically survives it either, but
I will echo your sentiment and say we shall see,
because we're not.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Done these investigations.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Now that we're getting attention at the national level, we're
only going to see more exposure. All of the fraud
has yet to be exposed, and I want to give
credit where credit is absolutely Do I understand or I
could understand me. Let me rephrase this, because I don't
know of this secifically, so I don't want to speak
(22:01):
out of turn, but I can certainly understand why individuals
that have been on top of this stuff for a
long time, whether you are a member of the legislature,
whether you are you know with Alpha News or American Experiment.
They've been talking about these issues, discussing them from multiple
different angles. Bill Glahn and centered the American Experiment, and
I have some stories of his regarding the very thing
(22:23):
that we're talking about in the Start Tribune article that
I'll share with you in just a moment. Has certainly
been on top of the fraud, as has Liz Colin
over at Alpha News regarding all the corruption across the board,
the larger issues of the state, especially surrounding the Walls administration.
They've been on top of it, exposing This is why
we've known about this stuff for a long time. But
(22:45):
now it's receiving national intention. So there's a bit of
a redundancy in what we're talking about on the show.
But to the Talkbacker's point, no, I tend to agree
the media isn't holding back anymore. I have some spectacular ought.
As a matter of fact, you know what, I'm money
even gonna wait, I'm gonna go ahead and share it
with you now. I want to get back to this
(23:05):
story from the Star Tribune as Governor Tim Walls's buddy
Steve Grove attempts to go and provide cover for Walls.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Saying well, you know right now, a covered the you know.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
The fraud is only about one hundred and fifty two
million dollars, So it's not the billions that they're saying. Again,
it's a semantics game. This article is going to age badly.
They don't care at the Star Tribune, though, my guess
is without any evidence at all that there was a
favor being done here, can we take some heat off
(23:44):
of me?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Can we push back on this a little bit?
Speaker 5 (23:47):
That they keep saying billion, billion, billion, And I don't
think most people really have respect for how much money
a billion dollars is. You lose concepts of how much
money this actually is. I mean one billion dollars. I
don't know if you're aware of this. Brett is producing
the show this morning in the Master control. But it's
(24:08):
a lot of money, like a lot of Like a
billion dollars is like a.
Speaker 12 (24:12):
Lot of money.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
But we don't respect those values anymore in terms of
the dollar amounts when you hear them. That's why you
don't hear about the million dollar reward on Survivor being
a big deal anymore.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
That was the whole crux of the show when it started.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
You could win a million dollars for just surviving thirty
days without all of these different luxuries in life. And
now they don't even talk about that anymore because we've
lost all We've lost all respect for just how much
money that actually is. This is the classic. A million seconds?
How long you think? A million seconds?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Okay? Okay, okay, give him go.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And you give it you just yet eleven and a
half days, A million seconds okay? A billion seconds thirty
one point seven years, wow.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Longer than you've been alive. That is true. I have
not been alive for a billion seconds yet.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
So before we get back to the Star Tribune article here,
I want to share this with you because if it's
in better here than where I was going to play
it earlier. This video went viral over the weekend. This
is lou Ragus from Caro leven to the previous talkbackers
point of the media is no longer, at least in
these cases, shielding Walls from scrutiny when he's out there
(25:24):
making certain statements that simply aren't true.
Speaker 18 (25:27):
Minnesota Governor Tim Walls and his political allies continue to
incorrectly claim that the state was responsible for stopping the
massive feeding our future fraud, despite the evidence that's come
out in each trial and the legislative audit that was
done proving that false. This week at an event, Walls
claimed the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which the governor oversees,
(25:47):
investigated the case then handed it over to the federal
authorities who charged it. The truth is the BCA was
not involved at all. It was the FBI.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
Then on CNN s Paul Mayor Melvin Carter said this.
Speaker 19 (26:00):
And by the way, those fraud allegations were uncovered by
local law enforcement and our state, our state attorney general
press charges state. Actually, our state law enforcement presence is
what caught that is what held those folks accountable.
Speaker 18 (26:13):
Again, it's not true that local law enforcement uncovered the
fraud and who prosecuted it.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
It was the US.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Attorney's office, not the state attorney general. Look at the
timeline here from the legislative audit.
Speaker 18 (26:24):
In February twenty twenty one, the FBI actually first contacted
the Minnesota Department of Education about fraud allegations that they
had heard about. Then in April twenty twenty one, MB
provided info to the FBI about the fraud. Remember how
there was also a lawsuit after the Education Department did
try to stop paying the fraudsters. Well, in that case,
(26:45):
the Attorney General's office in MD did not even tell
the judge that fraud was the reason they wanted to
stop paying. Look at this damning deposition of MD Assistant
Commissioner Darren Cordy during that civil case. Feeding Our Future's
lawyer asked, did you ever address with the commissioner or
the possibility of there being any fraud in the meal programs?
Speaker 7 (27:04):
Courty answers no, not in those terms.
Speaker 18 (27:07):
Then does MDE to your knowledge, have any reason to
suspect there's been intentional acts of fraud with respect to
the meal programs?
Speaker 7 (27:15):
In courty answers no.
Speaker 18 (27:17):
At this point, I've reported over one hundred stories on
the Feeding Her Future case. I know an untrue statement
about this case when I see one. If this talking
point from the governor continues, you can consider this the
fact check.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
I'm louver goose follow for more news.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah. Out of Carol Levin. When you lie so blatantly.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
That you have local media straight up calling you out
on it, why do you think Liz Colin called her
book they're lying. I know they were talking and she
was focused on the death of George Floyd, but you
know that is sort of a universal theme among Democrats
here in the state of Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Of course, when Keith Ellison is asked.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
About whether or not he would do anything differently after
the state was warned about fraud that cost taxpayers again
a billion dollars, and we'll get back to the start
to be an article here in just a bit, Keith
Elson basically said, no, I wouldn't do anything differently. I
do want to ask he's talking with Anderson Cooper on CNN.
Speaker 20 (28:19):
I do want to ask you about the fraud scandal.
I mean, because the president's comments seemed at least in
part fueled by or he's talking about this fraud scandal
that we mentioned earlier involving that charity called Feeding Our Future.
The vast majority of these seventy defendants charging the case
were Somali. For perspective, those are nearly eighty thousand smallies
in the state.
Speaker 12 (28:38):
How much I mean.
Speaker 20 (28:39):
Critics have said the state officials, including you and the governor,
did not act fast enough or quickly enough to investigate
charges of fraud against the Feeding Our Future and did
little to flag their allegations to federal authorities. I know
you said it was the federal government didn't move fast enough.
Is there any Is there something you wish you had
done differently?
Speaker 9 (29:00):
No?
Speaker 21 (29:01):
We First of all, the Department of Education denied claims
when they were when questionable claims were made about these meals.
My office went to court explained that to the court.
A judge actually found the department and cound tempt for
denying claims. So yeah, and we cooperated fully and worked
well with the FBI. We are we're glad that we
(29:25):
took the action that we did.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Would you do anything differently?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
No?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
And of course the added commentary there of exactly what
Carol Levins Ragus was saying there just a moment ago
here on Twin City's News Talk as we go back
to the iHeartRadio app Talkbacks brought to you by Lendall Realty.
Speaker 22 (29:46):
Hi, John sum leave to talk back about all the
fraud discussion in the Tribune article. Did they mention the
childcare assistance program fraud that took place, which was again
among the Somali community. So never hear that discussed when
we're talking about the context of the fraud in Minnesota
running into the billion.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
No, I think what I what they focus on here.
I think it's everything post COVID. You're right, there's a
broader question regarding fraud that's been going on for a
long time, and many of you have pointed this out
in the talkbacks this morning. But a lot of what
we're discussing, and even what I cover here on the
show on Twin City's News talk is usually focused on
(30:28):
everything from COVID onwards. Let's get back to the Star
Tribute story. Trump claims Minnesota lost billions. The evidence to
date isn't close. And again they're going off of just
specific court records, and they say, really, the technical number
is just one hundred and fifty two million. Now they
(30:48):
go on to say from a scandal, and here you go,
involving feeding our future, nonprofit that distributed federal child nutrition
dollars to housing and autism services, billing the alleged losses
to date, our affraction of the billions claimed by the administration,
technically speaking, doing that thing with my fingers. Asked by
reporters about the figure cited by federal officials on Thursday,
(31:12):
Wall said he did not know the source of that estimate.
I don't know where they're getting that number. I don't
think we know it yet. It certainly could be, but
we don't know on this. He estimated the state would
have a better idea of the fraud's impact in late January.
The billion dollar figure first has surfaced in July, when
(31:33):
Joseph Thompson, acting US Attorney, was investigating the Minnesota House
Stabilization Services program, but Thompson, who did not respond to
The Star Tribute's request for comment, has not offered evidence
to support the billion dollar figure.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
He doesn't have to. It's there in the numbers. Again.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I go back to my other analogy. You have a
terror attack, one hundred people involved. After the terrorists debts
his suicide vests, three bodies end up being recovered. Ninety
seven individuals are unaccounted for. And you'll get this, Well,
we know three confirmed dead, even though it's a pretty
(32:11):
good guest those other ninety seven individuals are dead to
since they're unaccounted for it. They just haven't been able
to identify. This is a semantics game. The fraud, he
has cited in cases to date, totals about twenty four
million across two medicaid programs, roughly ten million tied to
Housing Services fourteen million involving autism therapy for children. In
(32:33):
the Feeding Our Future case, which some of you have
brought up via the talkback, which occurred between twenty eighteen
and twenty twenty one. You and I both know that
involves some two hundred and fifty million bill through the
federal child nutrition programs administered by the Minnesota Department of Education.
Federal prosecutors have not produced enough evidence, says the Star Tribune,
indicating all of the money was fraudulent. A Star Tribune
(32:57):
review puts the alleged fraud closer to one hundred and.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Twenty eight million.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
The key ring leaders were convicted this year, including the
top Feeding our Future official. Most of the three hundred
entities involving Feeding Our Future have not been directly accused
of wrongdoing, and many criminal.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Cases are pending. That's the key point right there.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
You see, the Star Tribune can get away with this
article based off of their own criteria in their minds,
because eventually, when we have it officially on record at
doing nothing with my fingers, it will total far beyond
the one billion dollars. They won't go and say their
(33:41):
reporting was wrong. They'll just say, well, at the time,
according to the official numbers, it wasn't a billion dollars,
but now it is.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Hello, this is Armando from Chaska. I sure do know
that the Minnesota tax Department love the sandy letters if
you owe, but there was no accountability at the other departments.
Speaker 12 (34:07):
Just ridiculous.
Speaker 23 (34:08):
Hey, John, your numbers discussion reminded me of a KSTP
article that came out last week. It said that the
Somali community contributes over sixty seven million dollars to taxes. Well,
they've also said that there's eighty thousand Somalis living in Minnesota.
Speaker 12 (34:25):
Divide sixty seven million.
Speaker 23 (34:27):
Divide about eighty thousand, and you get nine hundred dollars
a person. Do that to the Minnesota people and taxpayers
just Minnesota in general, it's up to ten thousand a person.
Speaker 15 (34:40):
While I tend to believe we're in the billions of
taxpayer dollars lost to fraud in Minnesota, perhaps the Star
Tribune could have put the accent on it's already at
least one hundred and fifty two million dollars of our
taxpayers money, rather than oh, it's only one hundred and
(35:03):
fifty two that's a ton of money. Lost to fraud.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
If the Strip wants to discredit, they're already failing publication
further than by all means, continue to put out articles
trying to go and shield walls from scrutiny on this.
If this is all they have, one need only go
over to Center of the American Experiment, read anything about
the issue from Bill Glahn, look at his scandal tracker,
(35:33):
and you can see the amount of money that this
is going to turn out to be.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Now.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
The Star Tribune article goes on to say, many state
social service programs have seen exponential growth over the past
five years, a DHS spokesperson, so the department does not
have an estimate of alleged fraud in its medicaid programs.
So Molly leaders warned that sweeping claims about billions and
stolen aid or fueling backlash against law abiding families, that's
(36:00):
being perpetuated by Democrats. They're the ones that have taken
a stance that if you add in the Somali community
element to these conversations, which is factually accurate, any mention
of that is indeed making that commentary racis. That's the
standard that they have on the left don't fall for it.
(36:23):
Minnesota has confronted outside fraud allegations before, sets the Star Tribune.
Between twenty eleven and twenty sixteen, whistleblowers claim the state's
childcare assistance program was losing as much as one hundred
million annually to fraud and that some of the money
was being funneled overseas and terrorist groups.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
So they do go back in time.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
As we mentioned before, a twenty nineteen report by the
Office of Legislative Auditor found no evidence to support those claims. However,
they go on to say, while auditors continue to confirm
five to six million in child of childcare fraud during
that period, they called the broader out legations misleading and
determine the sensational figures and circulating at the time were
(37:05):
vastly overstated.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
I don't trust anything coming out of.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
The Walls administration that reporting from Lou Ragos is spot on.
Mayor Melvin Carter, Governor Tim Walls straight up lies that
they're being corrected by the mainstream media. Do you really
think they're going to be truthful on the issues that
we're talking about right now relating to fraud and speaking
(37:30):
of Bill Glon, he covers this article Trump claiming the
lost billions to fraud evidence todate isn't close, Bill writes.
The Star Tremunes figure as we've talked about one hundred
and fifty two million or zero.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
They write a.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Review of court records show the alleged to fraud uncovered
to date is closer to one hundred and fifty two million.
Alleged Glon points out convictions in federal court exceed sixty
to five millions of dollars in property seized by the
Feds have already been sold off. The Star Tribune says
it's only alleged fraud, nothing definitively proven to the state.
(38:09):
The scandal tracker, not updated since July, by the way,
shows six hundred and sixty one million in fraud since
Walls became governor. Before Steve Grove joined the Star Tribune,
he served on the cabinet of Walls as the commissioner
of the Department of Employment and Economic Development. Three items
(38:31):
on the tracker, totally over thirty million, are associated with
deed Department of Employment in Economic Development, specifically with the
agency's operation of the state Unemployment program. The Star Tribune's
anti Trump low ball estimate can be most charitably viewed
as an exercise in refusing to see the forest for
(38:52):
the trees. Just because Trump said it, they must prove
nothing of the sort ever happened. Treasury Secretary Scott a
sent over the weekend speaking of a billion dollars in fraud,
was asked about this issue with Margaret Brennan on CBS
(39:13):
Face the Nation.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Here is that exchange.
Speaker 24 (39:17):
The President told you though this week to look into
Somali's who quote ripped off that state for billions of dollars.
He said, they contribute nothing. What exactly are you investigating?
Speaker 10 (39:28):
Well, Margaret, to be clear, the initial fraud that was
discovered by the IRS, for which I'm the acting Commissioner,
is discovered by IRS a criminal investigations unit.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
This was not an indogenous.
Speaker 10 (39:41):
Thing that the state of Minnesota decided we had to
go in and clean up the mess for them, and
this is part of the continued cleanup. A lot of
money has been transferred, they have from the individuals who
committed this fraud, including those who donated to the government governor,
donated to represent Omar, donated to A g Ellison, but
(40:03):
they've been transferred to something called MBS's and those are
what do you mean, sorry, transferred to what these are money?
The bureau services and there are wire transfer organizations that
are outside the regulated banking system, and that money has
(40:23):
gone overseas and we are tracking that they both to
the Middle East and Somalia to see what the uses
of that have been.
Speaker 24 (40:33):
Okay, but you have no evidence of that money being
used to fuel terrorism. Well that's a point, which is
what some conservative writers are elected.
Speaker 10 (40:41):
That's why it's an investigation. We started it last week.
We'll see where it goes. But I can tell you that,
you know, it's terrible. The Representative Omar tried to downplay it, said, oh,
it was very the it was very tough to know
how this money should should be used. She was gaslighting
(41:01):
the American people talk to her. Yeah, but when you
come to this country, you got to learn which side
of the road to drive on, You got to learn
to stop the stop signs, and you got to learn
the not to defraud the American people.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
On the whole Tim Walls thing in the fraud, it's
not just Walls himself who's involved in this, Keith Ellison
and the Democrat Party at large, they're all responsible for it,
and they're all deep into it, and it's already too
late for them to just wash their hands of a
whole mess in that there's gonna be a lot of
stuff coming on on this, I fully believe, and I
(41:34):
believe that at least Walls and Nelson they're going to
go down for it. All right, Thanks Bott.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Yeah, we're going to talk more about Keith Ellison and
coming up in just a moment. We have some audio
to share. Also, Ilhan Omar had a rather lengthy interview
that did not go very well on that very show
that you just heard from Face the Nation and Margaret
Margaret Brennan.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
We'll get to that.
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