Hour 2 : Jake Coleman Joins, Walz Fraud Hearing

Jon is joined by Jake Coleman from Americans for Prosperity to talk about the Tim Walz and Keith Ellison hearing about fraud.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Power two Twin Cities News Talk, and we were just
discussing on the show, playing some clips from Marco Rubio
about the length of time Operation Epic Fury will continue
for Israel apparently says that they expect their portion of

(00:26):
the mission to go for another one to two weeks.
Now what that means to the United States, I do
not know, but that's what Israel is currently saying. My
name is John Justice in the Master Control booth next door.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
That would be Devin.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Thank you for the comments we've already heard this morning
from the iHeartRadio app you talk Backs, brought to you
by Lyndal Reelty. We'll get to those as we dive
into the congressional hearing yesterday that took place where Governor
Tim Walls and Keith Ellson pretty much took a stampce
of acting as if they didn't understand things, looking aloof
and con used. Now, granted, this isn't hard for either

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of these fools, but this is the tactic that they chose.
Just looking very sort of consternated. I'm not sure why
I'm here, I'm not sure what is you're talking about.
I have very few expectations regarding consequences coming out of
hearings like this. I've let my opinion be known on

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this issue several times that these hearings frustrate me, and
it happened again yesterday, although not as bad as the
last time that Governor Jim Walls was in front of Congress.
But those answering asking the questions Republicans, I mean, both
sides do this, but Republicans in this case are the
ones that's frustrating because they're the ones that are trying
to hold individuals like Ellison and Walls accountable. They don't

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allow them the opportunity to just talk. Just let them speak,
because they're going to go and say something dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Maybe it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Maybe have a lot of audio to share with you,
and I want to hear your thoughts on it as well,
but my expectations are we got this stuff on record.
It further cements Governor Tim Walls and his legacy as
a failure and continues to add to that.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Keith Ellison now from.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Fox nine the Congressional Report revealed prior to yesterday's hearing,
and then questioned during the hearing that Minnesota ended up
resuming funding to the Feeding Our Future scandal in twenty
twenty one. Despite the fraud concerns, this had contradicted Governor
Tim Walls's claim that a court order mandated the payments. Now,
this report also highlighted the state's difficulties in halting the

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funding due to the USDA regulations and lack of support
from the USDA Office of Inspector General. So during the
hearing yesterday, Tim Walls was exposed and this was one
of the bigger moments from the hearing, ended up being
exposed for resuming the taxpayer payments to these Somali fraudsters.

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Basically he was caught lying about it. Here the payments
are restarted and here he's talking with Representative Jim Jordan.
The payments are restarted.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Why didn't you tell the truth about why you restarted
the payments?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Well, Chairman, we did tell you and feeding our future
grew because of the pandemic.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
And asked that question, I said, why didn't you tell
the truth about why you restarted the payments? The payments
stopped because there were concerns. Obviously he wouldn't stop the payments.
Then they restarted a month later. What was the reason
for restarting the payments?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
My understanding was that the agency believed that the court
had required them to make those payments, and.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
That was false, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I think that he said that, didn't you?

Speaker 2 (03:43):
You said the reason you restarted because the court origin
you to do so. Is that right?

Speaker 4 (03:47):
I don't believe that is settled yet, to the best
of my knowledge.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Well, I think it is because the Court did something
that I just don't I don't know if I've ever
seen it. They issued a statement saying you were and
what you were saying. This is from the court. It says,
feeding our future versus Minnesota Department of Education, correcting reports
and statements by Governor Tim Walls concerning orders issued by
the court.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Here's what the judge says.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Governor Tim Walls told the media that the Minnesota Department
of Education attempted in payments to fof because of possible fraud,
but that Judge Gouthman ordered payments to continue in April
twenty twenty one. Next sentence, that is false. So you
said something wasn't true. He further states, this judge gotain
in the court says this Judge Goutman never ordered the

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Department of Education to resume payments defeeding our future in
April twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
One or at any other time. So I want to
know why didn't.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
You tell the truth, Congressman.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
The attorneys at the Department of Education interpreted that differently.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Both of those judges are no longer on the bench.
And I think that's the.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Very first sentence, the first seven words. This is not
some un name source talking to the New York Times.
This is not some anonymous source talking to whatever your
Minnesota starved from being or whatever your paper is. This
is the court speaking, first sentence, first seven words, due
to inaccurate statements by the governor, Ramsey County District Court

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Judge has issued and authorized that this following news released.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
That's pretty straightforward. So the court's lion.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I can't tell you, Congressman, with the interpretation lion, somebody's
lying because if you can't say the court ordered you
to restart the payments, and then the court says, we
didn't order you to restart the payments. So either your
lion or the court's line. And I'm just asking you
which one is it.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
By the way, that was one of Those's a couple
of different moments in this there's a couple of different
moments in this clip wherein I wish that Representative Jim Jordan,
who we've had on the show and I have a
tremendous amount of respect for. But again, like everybody Republicans,
when they're doing these these these questions and answers, I
know the time is limited and they want to get

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everything in, but man, there's just those moments where I'm like,
just let Walls talk because he can't. You're almost giving
him an out by not just allowing him to expand
upon the fact that he can't answer the question.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
Tim Walls was cut lying and what's going to happen
to him?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Probably nothing. He's not running for governor anymore.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
This just further cumments his legacy as a complete failure
in terms of governor of the state of Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
I just simply know what the attorneys at the agency
believed that it was a misinterpretation, and I would note
that those mean you.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Were trying to hide behind the court, governor. Could that
maybe be the reason why you issued the statements you
did and why the court had to do something you
never see done before they issue a press statement saying
you're wrong, the governor is wrong. His statement is theirs
not mine?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
False? Could that be the reason?

Speaker 4 (06:58):
That was not the interpretation of the attorneys? And and
you know corridor work. You can appeal those Congress money,
as you well know.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
I'm sure they're all about politics.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Governor.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
No, it's certain it's about taking care of our people,
which it doesn't better than anyone else.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
A million, the Behavior in Invention program went from three
million to four hundred million in five years. The housing
stabilization went from two point six million one hundred and
four million.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Again, a wall's got cut off there, but he made it.
He tried to get in the comment of it's about
taking care of people, and Minnesota does that better than
anybody else.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
This state has a tremendous amount to offer. There is
no doubt about that. It's the reason why I'm here,
my family's here, why many of us decided to stay here.
But to sit there and talk about apart from the
lying regarding the actual issue the Representative Jim Jordan was
bringing up to sit back and say that we take
care of Minnesota's better than anybody else.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
No, you don't. You do the exact opposite.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Under Governor Tim Walls's watch, we've had more more recently,
violence plaguing the streets of our largest metropolitan areas over
an inability to have local law enforcement assistant federal law
enforcement in enforcing the laws to arrest individuals to make
our streets safer. They've made them less safe in the process,

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while allowing billions upon billions of dollars to be lost
my money and your money because of the rampant fraud
that happened under his watch, because his party created programs
with low barriers of entry and little to know oversight.
The only reason why they care about the fraud is

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because they got caught, because they have to go to
DC and sit in these hearings, and because it ended
Governor Tim Walls and his current political aspirations.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Let's get to a few of your thoughts.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
Every time we have one of these hearings, I just
it just angers me frustrating because nothing ever comes.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Out of it.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
Yes, ooh, you get to make some headlines. The left
don't care about that. They only care about pain. You
have to imprison some people, make people pay for what
they did.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
They're correct, but charges have to be brought about and
I don't know what they would end up being my
expectations are there probably won't be, and I think most
of that is due to the fact that Governor Tim
Walls is not running for re election, so again his
political career is coming to an end. But even beyond that,
I don't know what charges you would be able to

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bring about, apart from, you know, con contempt of court,
lying to court and issues like that. But I'm sure
that there are enough high paid lawyers out there for
Democrats to even get them out of those situations. Our
here's a little bit more of the testimony between Representative
Jim Jordan and Governor Tim Walls talking specific about the

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aspect of this fraud being committed by a majority of
Somali immigrants here in the state.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Governor, who's Casey Magan.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
I don't know who Casey Megan is.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
I'll tell you, mister Magan is a Somali American and
a fraud investigator. And the guy besides you's office in
the Attorney General's office.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
And here's what he said.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
There was a perception that forcefully tackling this issue might
cause political backlash among the Somali community, which is a
core voting block. Did that have anything to do with
this whole fraud scheme that went on in your state, Governor.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
It did not. Congressman did not.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
So now you're saying, mister Casey Magan is a lie,
is lying too.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
You're the only one telling the truth in the whole state.
Mister Magan, who's a fraud investigator at the Attorney General's office, says,
it's politics.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
The courts said, couldn't speaks. You asked me a question.
I know, I said no when you asked me the question.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
And I'm saying, Casey Magan said, just the eyes don't know.
The court's wrong, and Casey Maggan's wrong. You're the only
guy right. How many people have been indicted in your
state right now?

Speaker 5 (11:02):
Do you know, Governor, I don't have those numbers with me.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Don't ninety eight people been indicted? You'd happen to know
how many are Somali American?

Speaker 5 (11:11):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
We don't investigator prosecute people based on ethnicity, really.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Do what we shouldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
But mister Megan is a Somali American who just said
that the one of the concerns was this the core
voting block. And I just want to know if you
know how many the ninety eight people have been indicted
in your state or Somali.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
I don't their ethnicity.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Five eighty five percent of the people indicted were Somali
American Key voting block.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
And I think that what drove this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
One of the more interesting moments during this congressional hearing
on Minnesota fraud, it didn't come from the main individuals
testifying of Ellison and Walls. It actually came via an
exchange between Republican Representative Michael Cloud and Reverend Mariah Tolgard.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
They may be wondering who the heck is that?

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Well, this this is a Methodist church minister in Saint
Paul who was brought in to testify alongside Governor Tim
Walls and Keith Ellison, apparently to provide leftist color for
the congressional hearing, but also to go and offer up
essentially sob stories of what the citizens of Minnesota have

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endured because of the Operation Metro Surge ISA operations going
back to the beginning of Operation Metro Surge and the
agents investigating fraud would be the jump off point as
to the inclusion of this individual. I'll share with you
this exchange again It's one of the more interesting exchanges
during this committee hearing. I have more from Walls and Ellison,

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and we'll get to your talkbacks from the iHeartRadio app
coming up on Twin Cities News Talk.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
Going, John, good boy, and that clip with Jim Jordan,
our wonderful governor tried to pass the blame to everybody
except himself.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Did you notice that they have what's called a Trump
derangement problem?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Have you heard about that problem?

Speaker 8 (13:12):
John? You're correct, There's probably not much in terms of
criminal prosecution that will stand muster. But I work in
the financial services business, and if I were to be
found to have been that inept in managing the money
of the institution I work for, I would be immediately terminated.
And that is the minimum that should happen here, but

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it never seems to happen.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I have another comment that rolled in along the same lines,
because I was planning on actually making a similar statement
to this.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
As we continue to.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Share audio this morning House Oversight hearing examining claims.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
The state officials.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Governor Tim Walls Attorney General Keith Ellison ignored repeat warnings
about the large scale fraud involving the federal programs here
in Minnesota because they did, because they did, does it
rive to does it rise to the level of being
able to prosecute on criminal charges? That's the question that
lingers out there. Let me go back to the iHeartRadio

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app and talk backs again, brought to you by Lyndall Realty.

Speaker 9 (14:21):
Hey, John, you know a lot of times we'll say,
you know, if the CEO did this at a company
and lost billions of dollars, they'd be kicked out by
the board. It's not even just CEOs. If it was
the manager of a baseball team, a little team for
that matter, or even a girls go troop, well boys
scout troop, or even kids at a lemonade stand if
they lost one hundred percent of the profits that they

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would be kicked out of the lemonade stand.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yep, that's difference. I have a good day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Give me a politician that's going to run to serve
in office or in particular governor.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
That says, hey, we will treat.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Running the state in this right in this case and
this by the same standards of which you go and
run to a business. Yeah, that's a winning strategy because
you're absolutely right. The double standard, the two tiered system
of justice, and I have other examples of this on
the show later on. It absolutely exists, and it certainly

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exists within politics. There's so much ineptitude that you are
able to get away with within public office that you
just never could get away with in the real world.
It has its own set of rules, so much of
it is pure fantasy. One of the interesting speaking of that,

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one of the interesting moments yesterday, it wasn't actually with
Keith Ellison or Attorney General excuse me, or Governor Tim Walls.
It was with this Reverend Maria Tollgard, a minister and
a Methodist church in Saint Paul, who was again brought
along to provide commentary to talk about how horrible ice
is and what everybody endured because of Operation Metro Surge. However,

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Representative Michael Cloud, who I was unfamiliar with until the
hearing yesterday, completely dismantled this progressive pastor over what the
Bible actually teaches regarding charitable giving.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Listen to this exchange.

Speaker 10 (16:23):
You to the extent that you did to one of
those brothers of mind, even the least of them, you
did this to me. I would ask you, who's the
you in that passage, thank you for.

Speaker 11 (16:35):
Your question, you meaning all of us, the followers of Christ, the.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
Followers of Christ.

Speaker 10 (16:41):
Right in Matthew twenty four to three, it says, after
Jesus was sitting on the mountain of Olives, and the
disciples came to him privately, and then they asked him.
That began this whole chapter. And now what Christ didn't
say was to lobby your government. He said, if you have,
you give. That's the general biblical principle here, you know.

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Second Corinthians chapter nine gives us probably the best scriptural
understanding of what charity is. It says, each of you
should give what you've decided in your heart to give,
not reluctantly under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
Would you say that taxes are under compulsion?

Speaker 11 (17:23):
Taxes are not my area of expertise, that I what
are they given under compulsion?

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Do you pay your taxes? As a US citizen?

Speaker 12 (17:31):
I pay my taxes?

Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yes, because what happens if you don't.

Speaker 12 (17:36):
We don't have the services that we need to support.

Speaker 10 (17:39):
Are what happens to you personally? If you don't pay
your taxes, you get in trouble, You get in trouble,
I would say that's under compulsion. So if we're talking
about what charity is, I'm always amazed in DC how
much of we get to define our personal worth as
a politician or statesman or whatever you want to call us,
by how much of other people's money we give away.
And so there's certainly a place for a social safety

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net potentially. But the idea that Matthew twenty five is
kind of used as a blanket statement. As a matter
of fact, the parable that it gives right before that
scripture that you go into is the parable of the
talents where you see someone a business owner go away
and he leaves three employees in charge and gives them
to a bit of investment, and two of them storing

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their investment into a prophit and one that turns it
not into a prophet.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
He does nothing with it, just sits on it.

Speaker 10 (18:27):
What does he call him?

Speaker 2 (18:31):
You're a pastor, right, yes, Sam, sir, I don't.

Speaker 10 (18:34):
Have that CAUs I'm a wicket and a lazy servant.
And so you know, scripturally speaking, God expects us to
do something with what he's given us. Now, Roman's thirteen
talks about the purpose of government, you know, scriptures replete
with there's different institutions that each have a different thing.
The primary job of raising our kids and taking care
of our families in the institution of the family.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
The government has a different one.

Speaker 10 (18:55):
It says for the one in the authority is God's
servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid,
for the rulers do not bear the sword for no reason.
There God sirsturring agent of wrath on the wrong doer.
Would you say that someone who commits fraud is doing wrong?
We all are against fraud. Right, is fraud theft? Would
you agree that that's theft? Yes, as the eighth commandent says,

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thou shalt not steal. Would you recommend that someone in
your church go into debt to give an offering in
your church?

Speaker 5 (19:28):
No? Okay.

Speaker 10 (19:29):
So we have a massive program of fraud that's being
paid for by taxpayers, and it's not really a US
paying it's really our kids and our grandkids that are
paying it. And yet we continue to see this massive
expansion all under the taken out of context of what
charity is being defined as.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
My biggest takeaway from that exchange is that Representative Michael
Cloud would probably serve as this minister in Saint Paul,
or as a minister at this Methodist church in Saint Paul,
over this supposed Reverend Mariah Tolgard, who obviously didn't know

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her Bible very well. One thing I hope. I I
watched this exchange, listening to it again. I had visioned
and it probably didn't happen, But I envisioned like handlers
off to the side, individuals who are in charge of
deciding to bring a person like this reverend from Saint

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Paul there, sitting back and going on, maybe.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
This was a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Maybe maybe perhaps we shouldn't have This didn't work out
quite the way that we had hoped. Not that it matters,
because I agree with a lot of you that are
leaving comments on the iHeartRadio app. It's good to get
all of this on record. Anytime we can expose the
fraud and how corrupt the leadership is that allowed this
to happen. Is a good thing in terms of accountability.
I'm not expecting much of it. We're gonna talk with

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Americans for a Prosperity Jake Coleman, We'll get his thoughts
on the committee hearing yesterday. I have more audio to
share with you before return our attention to other matters.
We have an update on that guy that keyed the
tesla's going back to last year. Let me share this
clip though, before we take a quick break. Is Governor

(21:13):
Tim Walls from yesterday acting like and sounding like every
foe of the show email and talkback that I receive
just all nonsensical rhetoric coming from Governor Tim Walls here
on twin City's.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
News Talk, continues to tell lies about our electoral system,
claiming that he's won all three times when he lost
all three times. I think he has people around him
who were trying to find quotas around immigration and they
saw a perfect storm, if you will, that included some
Somali folks and a whole lot. You know, if we're

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we're going to condemn folks, there's no Somali folks in
the Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
What does that have to that's our governor?

Speaker 1 (21:59):
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Speaker 5 (22:03):
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Speaker 1 (22:09):
There's a headline right now that's uh failed everything. Kamala
Harris has now come out and endorsed James Taller Ico
in Texas.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
After the primary. Well, yeah, he's kind of the only
Candida in the day. You really can't make this up.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Twin City's News Talk at AM eleven thirty one oh
three five FM. We're going to talk with our guest
here in just a moment. America is for prosperity, Jacob Coleman.
We'll get his thoughts on this congressional testimony yesterday of
Governor Tim Walls Keith Ellison. Also this Reverend Mariah Tollgarden
Methodist church minister in Saint Paul. I have a couple

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of talkbacks to share before we talk with our guests
this morning.

Speaker 13 (23:02):
Good morning, John, This is Chad from Anoka. Yeah, listening
to that oh so called reverend Methodists out of Saint Paul,
sounds like her church wherely needs to be audited, you know,
just in case because she's making every excuse for fraud.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Thank you bye.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Or I you know, for me, I think it's probably
more important for the people of that church, and maybe
she goes through a seminary again.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I just doesn't seem to know her Bible very very well.

Speaker 14 (23:30):
Let's go here, John, I'm on your side and I'm
on everybody's side that's listening this morning.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Thanks, But you have to be patient, Kat, These.

Speaker 14 (23:38):
Investigations are ongoing, and you need to have evidence, just
like Timmy Wallace talks about, you have to have evidence
to convict people. There are paper trails that leave the
money from the fraudsters to these politicians, and they're trying
to find it out. But remember Steve Simon, Jimmy Walls,
they're not turning over files, so it's going to take

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a while to get it.

Speaker 9 (24:00):
No.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I completely agree, and that's what I was alluding to
earlier in my commentary. But I am with everybody else
going Okay, yeah, that's great, and I do hope that's
the case. But how often do we really go and
see people held accountable. Look, it's really frustrating is when
you see it happen over in Europe Epstein files get

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dropped and suddenly got individuals over there dropping life flies
and getting hauled away. All right, just two more things
and then we'll talk with our with our guest. I
do appreciate your your comment. Let's go here to the
iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 15 (24:34):
John, why didn't any of the Republicans bring up this
fraud at the last government governor election.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
No, all they wanted to do was ban abortion.

Speaker 15 (24:45):
They didn't care about fraud either. All they wanted to
do was ban abortion.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Okay, So just briefly your knowledge of that past election
and the timeline regarding fraud.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
You need a little education regarding that.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
First off, Republicans were talking about fraud, but it was
mostly because of feeding our future. We didn't see the
level of exposure of fraud until the past couple of years.
When you go back to twenty twenty two and you
look at the coverage of fraud that we've had in
the state, the explosion in the requests for funding in

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these various social service programs was only just ramping up
in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Usually go back to twenty twenty one and really.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Got bad under the DFL trifecta. So we didn't know
the extent at the time. And I know this because
I was here on the show talking about these issues.
We knew about some fraud. Were was concerned about daycare fraud,
and we talked about that, but it was nothing compared
to what has been exposed since that election. One more

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clip from yesterday and we'll talk with our guests. This
is Representative Byron Donalds pressing Governor Tim Walls on the
whistleblower intimidation that we've reported extensively on the show, as
have others, and what.

Speaker 16 (26:09):
But he was licensed in your state under your law
that you signed about a year and a half ago.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Every day we give licenses and people's speed so we
ticket them and try and stop that. What I'm telling
you is, I don't understand the connection between.

Speaker 16 (26:22):
He's here illegally, he can't read, and he got a
license under camp provisions, and he's driving all across the
country imperiling everybody else.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
And that that's on me.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
By the way, that clip was actually Tim Walls giving
a pathetic excuse after getting exposed for giving driver's licenses
to illegal aliens. So we're working off about fifteen clips
this morning, so that happens sometimes. Joining us now, very
pleased to welcome back to the show for Americans for Prosperity.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Regional Communications.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
No, I'm sorry, Jake Coleman, you're not the regional communications manitor.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
That's Josh Delk. But good morning, Jake Coleman. How are
we doing this morning, sir?

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Good it's good to be on John.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Thanks for having me. What is your official title over
at AFP.

Speaker 17 (27:05):
I am the State Director of Minnesota, So I've got
all of our operations in the state of Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I got my wires cross based off of my notes
in front of me. But thank you for joining the
show once again. What's your instinctive reaction to this, to
the testimony from Governor Tim Walls and Keith Ellison yesterday
in Congress.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
You know a couple of things.

Speaker 17 (27:25):
First of all, Tim Walls and Keith Ellison are an embarrassment.
They're an embarrassment to the state of Minnesota. Their an
embarrassment to this country. Thank god Tim Walls is not
the Vice President of the United States. Thank god we
have jd Vance there guiding President Trump, especially considering the
times that we're in today, and you know they are.

(27:46):
It's it's embarrassing again. I hate to keep using that word,
but it's really the only one I can use. It's
embarrassing how they unashamably tried to deflect blame over a
problem they you know, not just part of creating, but
also grew to a monstrous scale that is impairing the
economic life of every Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
You know, going having spent some time with the clips
now watching a majority of the testimony yesterday, you know,
I'm often befuddled by the Democrats and their response to
certain lines of questioning wherein they could present a level
of honesty that they refuse to do so while they
try to keep up particular narratives, and I watch these

(28:32):
and I go, well, you could go and actually get
into further detail and explain yourself. However, during this hearing,
and this was apparent in the last hearing, Governor Tim
Walls specifically, he takes this very sort of aloof stance,
as if to say, I wasn't aware of these things
or I'm not sure what it is that you're talking about.

(28:54):
And to me, Jake, it really does point to the
gravity of the fraud and it exposes how complicit they
are in it, because there is no spin to any
of this. There is nothing really that they could say
that makes any sort of rational sense about how they
did allow this to happen under their watch. And as

(29:16):
many people have pointed out this morning again talking with
Jake Coleman from Americans for Prosperity, you know, there's frustration
because many individuals don't believe there's going to be any
sort of accountability.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Do you see merit in hearings like this.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Do you think there's a possibility that, given enough information
and testimony from hearings like this, that we could see
down the road some accountability of both of these individuals.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Well, I hope.

Speaker 17 (29:40):
So, I mean that's really the goal of this, right
We want to make sure that we're holding everyone accountable,
and we also have to make sure that people remember
that this is a huge issue going on in the
state of Minnesota. You know, there's been a lot happening
here over the last six months. There's a lot happening
in the world right now, and sometimes stories can get
lost on the next news cycle. I think it's important

(30:03):
that these hearies continue because we need to continue to
show the American people and the people of Minnesota how
bad things have gotten here. I mean, our legacy media here.
The Start Commune is an absolute joke. They do nothing
but carry water for Tim Walls and the Democrats. I mean,
the editor in chief of the Start Communion is a
former staffer and employee of Tim Walls, and it's we

(30:23):
need someone that's willing to shine a light and ask
the hard questions to the leaders of this state because
outside of you and a couple other people, no one's
wanting to do it.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, it was wild to see. And granted this is online,
and I don't put a lot of stock in this
because if you break down the you know, the actual
percentage of the American public and you get into state demographics,
not as many people are you know, sitting there on
x scrolling through their feed as one might believe.

Speaker 17 (30:51):
That.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Being said, you're absolutely right, it was really interesting to
launch how during this congressional hearing you had local media
outlets just preemptively putting out the spin even before the
testimony began, and enduring the testimony, attempting to go and
paint a rosier picture of what was actually taking place.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
And you know, you and I both know that this just.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Ends up increasing the difficulty it is to get the
truth out to the people of Minnesota ahead of this
year's this year's elections. Let me ask you this again,
talking with Jake Coleman from Americas for Prosperity, we have.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
A legislative session going on.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
We've had changes that have been made in terms of
the investigations and these programs. We've had some programs shut down.
Do you think that at the moment, we've blunted or
stunted the fraud that's been taking place.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Because I think that's the question a lot of people have, is, Okay,
have we done anything currently to sort of bring it
and to the to the rampant fraud, even though we
know it's probably still taking place. Do you think we've
we've done enough so far to reign in this.

Speaker 17 (32:02):
I think we're starting to, but I don't think we've
done enough. I think there's more that has to be done.
I think that you have Again, if Tim Walls is
barely willing to admit that it even occurred, I mean
he's sitting up there saying, I had no idea this
was happening. We have whistleblowers that the committee talked about.
I think Jim Jordan, Representative Jordan from Ohio said, we

(32:22):
have people that said they were telling you about this
and they were punished and they were attacked.

Speaker 9 (32:28):
You know.

Speaker 17 (32:28):
I think that what what we need right now is
we need to continue to dig into this. I mean,
it seems like every week we're finding a new program.
What the the autism crisis that we're dealing with it
was one million dollars in funding in twenty seventeen, and
by up to now it's now three hundred and nearly
fifty million dollars. I mean, if you can't, if you
can't tell by that that there's a problem, then you're

(32:49):
either not paying attention or you're complicit.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Let's play another clip.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
We can share our thoughts on and talking with Jake
Coleman from Americans for Prosperity. In this clip here, Tim
Walls couldn't or simply wouldn't answer the simple question about
the massive increase in the autism program spending in the state.

Speaker 11 (33:07):
Much money was spent on autism in Minnesota in twenty seventeen, Governor, I.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Don't have those numbers in front of the Congress.

Speaker 12 (33:14):
Did you prepare for this hearing today?

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Did you do it?

Speaker 5 (33:18):
I think Congress seriously.

Speaker 11 (33:19):
And you've seen the numbers about autims.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
He's talking with Representative Nancy Mays here fraud in Minnesota.

Speaker 11 (33:25):
So we're going to do some Minnesota math with you today.

Speaker 12 (33:27):
Okay, are you ready? How much money was spent.

Speaker 11 (33:30):
On twenty seventeen for autism in Minnesota?

Speaker 12 (33:33):
How much?

Speaker 5 (33:34):
I don't know. I wasn't the governor.

Speaker 11 (33:35):
Okay, did you not just say that you prepared for
this hearing today?

Speaker 12 (33:40):
One million dollars?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Okay?

Speaker 11 (33:41):
A quick Google search or using your AI could tell
you one million dollars was spent how much money was
spent on autism in Minnesota in twenty twenty four. I
don't have a number in front of me as you
governor in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
I was, but I'm not the Okay, So your.

Speaker 11 (33:57):
Excuse before that you didn't know what two thousand and
seven teen autism numbers were because you were not governor,
And today you can't answer the numbers about twenty twenty
four as governor, and you still.

Speaker 12 (34:08):
Said you're prepared for this hearing today. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 11 (34:10):
Three hundred and forty three million dollars was spent in
twenty twenty four. What percent increases that from one million
to three hundred and forty three million?

Speaker 12 (34:18):
What percentage increase is that?

Speaker 5 (34:20):
I'm not here to be your prop Go ahead and
tell me.

Speaker 12 (34:23):
Wait, are you governor of Minnesota or not?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yes?

Speaker 12 (34:26):
I am, I'm not well, I'm governor of South Carolina.

Speaker 11 (34:28):
You can sure as held that that I'm going to
know the math? The math is thirty four two hundred
percent increase, an increase of three hundred and forty three times.

Speaker 12 (34:37):
What it was in this time period.

Speaker 11 (34:39):
Do you know the number of children in Minnesota?

Speaker 5 (34:43):
I know that Minnesota ranked as a top three.

Speaker 11 (34:45):
State for children population in Minnesota five point seven million. Okay,
what is the total population of children in Minnesota? I
don't have the number in front of me, right, are you,
Governor of Minnesota?

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I know four hundred thousand were cut out of health care?
L were you made?

Speaker 12 (35:03):
Are you governors of Minnesota?

Speaker 5 (35:06):
I am?

Speaker 11 (35:07):
And you don't know the number of children residing in specific.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Numbers, you know, Jake, Again, there's two different parts, so
two different comments that I have on this one. I
do still get frustrated at the way, regardless of political party,
the way the question the way the questioning breaks down.
I really do wish that they would just allow the individuals,
especially with Walls and Ellison, to just provide as much
testimony as they want, because they're going to end up

(35:31):
stepping in it if they If they do that. Being said,
you know, I'm wondering how much training this time around,
Governor Tim Walls may have gone through to simply act
aloof and confused during this particular hearing because he was paid.
He paid out quite a bit last time he had
to go to to DC.

Speaker 17 (35:49):
Right, Yeah, last time, I believe it was in the
in the realm of four hundred thousand dollars. He said.
He hired the same firm, but they couldn't give us
an estimate of what it costs this time. And frankly,
if he has to pay to act aloof and confuse,
that that's embarrassing because it seems like he does that
pretty naturally being confused.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Talking with Jake Coleman for Americas for Prosperity, you know,
with the legislative session, we're not in a budget year,
we're in a bonding year. That being said, I know
that we've been looking at budget forecasts and it's been
kind of a mixed bag of being in better shape
short term than we are going to be in long term.
The issue that I have is, I mean, how do

(36:34):
we even go about down the road addressing the budget
if we haven't gone and fixed this problem of fraud.
I believe in the past they've kind of baked the
fraud numbers in to our economic forecast here in Minnesota.
But with the level of fraud that we've endured. I mean,
how do you get to any sort of sound fiscal

(36:55):
numbers relating to, you know, the future outlook of the
state to end proposing a potential budget. Well, I do
think that's a big part of it.

Speaker 17 (37:05):
John, You're right, we have to take first a hard
look at where is all of this money going? And
I think part of the problem right now is you
have Democrats that are so afraid to admit that it's
occurring because it's occurring on such a large scale and
it's costing us so much money that they prefer to
just assume that's a natural part of the budget. I
think you need real competent leadership that's going to dig

(37:26):
deep into the numbers and say, you.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Know, where do we have a problem.

Speaker 17 (37:29):
Where can we Where have we seen over the last
you know, six years, a thirty four thousand percent increase
or growth in an area that that should be a
place that we should take a strong look at as
to see is that money being spent appropriately. I think
since they since they asked for autism centers to license themselves,
what one percent have asked to be reauthorized or relicnsed?

(37:53):
I mean, that tells you how big the problem is there.
And and I think after that, you know, we have
to start looking at our budget the way that every
family and every person in Minnesota does. There's got to
be a needs bucket of wants bucket and nice to
have and we have to fill out the needs bucket
first and then we can have the wants and then
we can have the nice to have. And that just
hasn't how it's been done under Democratic control here in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Talking with Jake Coleman Americans for Prosperity, I know you
guys have been busy, certainly keeping an eye on the
legislative session. What has what is Americans for Prosperity been
doing as of late? I know you guys are working
on holding you know, holding our politicians, our Democrat lawmakers
accountable for this fraud. But I'm curious what efforts you
guys have been involved in recently.

Speaker 17 (38:35):
Yeah, I mean, look, we're out in the field every day.
We're knocking about thirty five hundred doors a week, and
as it gets warmed up, will increase that number. It'd
like to be at about ten to fifteen thousand dollors
a week. Talking to your friends and neighbors about what's
going on in Saint Paul, holding the legislature accountable for
fraud and the decisions they're making. We're you know, we're
working to cut the red tape of government and lower

(38:56):
the cost of government so small businesses that are can
thrive in our occount.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
And we can grow.

Speaker 17 (39:01):
We're looking at increasing educational opportunities for kids so they
have more places that they can go to school and choose,
and the families can choose the school that will best
fit and educate their children. And we're looking to cut
out waste in the government. We're trying to find a
way to put a budget in place that can't that
can't grow eighteen ten and with a kay they can't

(39:21):
waste waste an eighteen billion dollar surplus and increase taxes
ten billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
We're looking for stable, controlled growth.

Speaker 17 (39:29):
Something that every Minnesota can can understand and there's a
little bit of certainty when you're making your decisions.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Jake Coleman, Americans for a Prosperity the website Americans for
a Prosperity a dota Org. Anything else that you'd like
to add before I cut you list this morning and
thank you for the time today.

Speaker 17 (39:44):
I appreciate it. I appreciate being on John. You know,
I just I ask everyone to not give up hope
we have. We have a good opportunity here in the
state of Minnesota coming up this next election, and if
everyone is willing to get out there, get involved, they
can make an actual difference so we can turn this
state around.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Jake, again, great to talk with you. Look forward to
the next time you and I have a chance to
us speak, and keep up.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
The great work.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Thanks John.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Bill Glawn, Center of the American Experiment, has a piece
a's been turning our attention over to Keith Ellison. He
writes this morning at at Americanexperiment dot org. There are
probably fewer than one hundred people in America who would
understand the importance of a forty seven second exchange during
the marathon four hour and twenty minutes US House Oversight

(40:33):
Committee hearing.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
And to his point, I was unable to find the actual.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Clip of this because it's relevant to you and I,
but you know, not to the larger issue that they
were talking about regarding fraud. The brief sequence does get
at the heart though of Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison's nonfeasance, misfeasance,
and malfeasance in regard to the multi billion dollar welfare

(40:58):
fraud play game the state. Now the segment that Bill
Golng calls attention to and involves Representative timber Chet and
the general topic of Feeding our Future, everyone will recall
Ellison and his friendliness with the Feeding our Future fraudsters,
which was captured in a forty five minute audio recording
that was first published by American Experiment. That topic came

(41:21):
up frequently during the hearing. Although the half billion dollar
free food scandal bears the name of the nonprofit Feeding
our Future, hundreds of other nonprofits were involved in the
fraud as well. Not only does Ellison serve as the
Minnesota Chief Legal Officer, he is also, by law, the
lead regulator of nonprofits across the state. And this is
where things get interesting. In October of twenty three, more

(41:43):
than a year and a half after the Feeding Our
Future scandal broke, Ellison made a big point about suing
a couple of dozen other nonprofits involved in the scandal.
At the time, Bill glh said he found the lawsuits
odd as they did not seem to be aimed at
accomplishing any real useful goal other than to gain Ellison
some cheap publicity for doing something to address the fraud.

(42:05):
Most notably, Ellison did not demand the return of any
stolen money from the nonprofits. Now you've had forward three years,
and Representative Burchett asks about two of the nonprofits sued
by Ellison, Partners in Nutrition and the Youth Leadership Academy.
So this is Partners in Quality Care as well, and

(42:25):
also the Gargar Family Services. Not to be confused with
Jar Jar from Star Wars. Not that anybody was. I
just felt like saying Charger. Burchette notes the two nonprofits,
as did the others, settled their cases with Ellison without
giving up anything of value in return. Burchette asked Ellison

(42:46):
why he didn't prosecute the nonprofits criminally. Ellison replied in
the moment that he has no power to do so. However,
that answer from Allison contradict his statements that he made
under oath earlier in the hearing, admitting he does have
the power to prosecute frauds, including frauds other than medicaid cases.
Reconsidering the matter and light of Burchette's questioning, Bill Glant

(43:11):
has another theory, both Partners in Nutrition or Partners in
Quality Care excuse me. Partners in Nutrition and Gargar and
other nonprofits featured prominently in the scandal were mentioned frequently
during the two courtroom trials involving Feeding our Future, yet
have never been charged criminally. Could the nonprofits use their

(43:33):
settlements doing nothing with my fingers with Ellison as a
shield against future prosecutions or lawsuits filed by a future
US attorney or attorneys general. Could they claim that the
matter was settled with Ellison and raise something akin to
a double jeopardy argument. At the end of the sequence,

(43:56):
Burchett requests Ellison's resignation, to which which Bill Glon says
he could not agree more.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I actually have that clip or.

Speaker 18 (44:07):
PIQC is accused of three hundred million in fraud his
significant assets, yet no charges and no attempts to recover
taxpayer money. I'll remind y'all nineteen billion dollars. I was
a state legislator and I can remember when our state
budget was nineteen billion dollars. This is money that's been
stolen and it will not be recovered. And you all
are to blame, and every dad gat one of you

(44:28):
all how to step down.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
Thank you, mister chairman.

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