February 17, 2026 • 41 mins
Jon takes an extended look at the response from the left regarding ICE operations in Minnesota, including legislation for MN schools. MN Rep. Walter Hudson joins to offer his thoughts on the upcoming legislative session and expectations for bills introduced by both the left and right.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Mr John Sam John as always your one hundred percent correct.
These anti Ice lunatics that we live amongst in the
Twin Cities are very sad because they're losing their limelight
from the theatrical show that they live in every day
fantasy land. If you go to Facebook and see all
our paranoid posts that Ice is doing all these things still,
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you'll see the comments by the Joe Blows of the
world like us are all negative, telling them get a
life and go home.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Thank you, Scott as always good to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
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Speaker 4 (01:04):
Good morning, John. I find it funny that Governor Walls
wants to sue the federal government for damages, especially if
you think that we had three thousand plus agents here
that had to spend money in the state in order
to have motel rooms, go to restaurants and visit other
stores and facilities that we have in the state. So
didn't they bring in a ton of money? Thanks not
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have a good day.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I want to see the breakdown of where they're claiming
all of this lost revenue in the state.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I just don't buy any of it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
We talked about this a bit on Friday, Governor Tim
Walls saying that he's going to make the federal government pay.
You can't just go and mess the place up and
break things and not expect to pay for What did
Ice break? What damage did Ice go and do.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
All of.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
The mayhem that I've seen has all been taking place
because of the insurrectionists, the agitators on the street. I'm
not seeing any evidence of what Ice is broken. I
haven't seen Ice going and carrying out garbage and furniture
and obstructing intersections in South Minneapolis, stringing trash behind during
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their protests, vandalizing buildings when they think that Ice is
staying inside of them.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The list goes on and on. I have no idea what.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Walls is talking about with this loss of economic revenue,
and if he's talking about the businesses, and the businesses
in the most part really have only themselves to blame,
especially the ones that win in closed down during the
time of the ice out strikes.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Hey, good morning, John, Barry and andover.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
So answer this for me. The businesses the left are
crying about the construction companies who are using illegal labor
to lower the expenses to increase their profits. Aren't these
literally the kind of companies the left is usually yelling
and screaming about.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Of course, Nope, it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
It doesn't need to make any sense on the left though.
Whatever furthers the agenda, common sense coc can go out
the window. Being a hypocrite is not a negative. It's
their world, their alternate universe, wherein they don't have.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
To go and make sense when it comes to their criticisms.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
So let me get this straight, John. Companies decide to
shut down out of their own will in protest. Device
companies decide to hire undocumented or illegal aliens or whatever you.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Want to call them.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
And now it's our responsibility to build these people and
businesses out. This state knows no end to the amount
of corruption and bs.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
This is unreal.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
The good news is.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That we do have a system of checks and balances,
and I'm convinced that at this point and we'll see
how this shakes out. But any demands to have the
federal government pay whatever amount the left determines, I mean,
and they're just making up numbers, right, That's all they're doing.
They're talking about economic activity. They're extrapolating based off of
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the level of fear in the community, people not going
to work, businesses allegedly not getting the foot traffic that
they typically have, restaurants that apparently have had to close down.
They're just taking this hodge podge of different issues relating
to ICE enforcement, all.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Of which ninety nine point nine.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Percent is all self inflicted, and then they are arbitrarily
coming up with a number. I'm convinced they're only doing
that because they just want as much as they possibly
can to argue with when it comes to Republicans. That's
all that it comes down to. They know what's ridiculous.
It doesn't have to make sense, it doesn't have to
be rational. They know that Republicans are going to appropriately
go and push back on it and not agree to it,
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and this just provides an opportunity to argue with Republicans.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Now, as I've.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Mentioned several times, as the ICE operations draw down, depending
on what party you're listening to, fraud is going to
take center stage, and we're going to get into a
bit of this. Homeland Security Secretary Christy no said, in
the wake of all of this, the agency, the Department
of Homeland Security DHS, is not slowing down, and we
can expect more arrests, not necessarily because of ICE, but
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because of the fraud here in Minnesota.
Speaker 8 (05:38):
I heard you ask about Operation Metro Surge and CBP
and ICE and what was the two eighty seven G.
Now we're still working on two eighty seven G agreements
that would happen with local law enforcement, sheriff, city police.
We would love to have that kind of an agreement
with the Minneapolis Police Department or with sheriffs in Minnesota.
I know that some of the operations in Minnesota are changing,
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but we're going to continue to stay focused with our
investigators through the Homeland Security investigations on the fraud that's
been going on on making sure that those individuals there
are working to get to the bottom of the billions
of taxpayer dollars that we're stolen and funneled out of
this country for nefarious reasons. So you know, I'm worth
grateful that we've found some agreement on what we can
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do to try to work together. We're looking to formalize
those to make sure that we can bring peace and
safety to the Twin Cities. Thank you, everybody, thanks for
being here. We appreciate it. Have a great day.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
The Minnesota Department of Human Services, so that's Minnesota's DHS,
published a so called fact check last week which was
attempting to doing that thing with my fingers, correct misleading
information and outright false claims about medicaid fraud in Minnesota.
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Wouldn't it be great if we had a state level
program that could go and correct misleading information and outright
false claims relating to ICE enforcement.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That would be incredibly helpful.
Speaker 9 (07:10):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
In its fact check, DHS pushed back against claims surrounding
Minnesota's ongoing for fraud problems. One of the claims the
agency fact checked was an unattributed statement which said Minnesota's
fraud problem is uniquely bad. Shockingly, DHS went and rejected
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that claim. So I was working off of the version
here from Alpha News. I want to transition over to
Center the American Experiment Fraud Coverage Guru. Alpha News has
a link available for a plethora of fraud related stories,
as does Center the American Experiment. But Bill Klahn over
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An American Experiment has a piece last week based off
of what I was just mentioning a factless fact check.
The Watson administration debuted their fact check to much acclaim,
with the tagline, a place for Minnesotans to find accurate
information about our fright, our fight against fraud.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It's hard to say fright against fraud, fight against fraud.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
It's a bit of a tongue twister from the Star Tribune,
Minneapolis creates fraud fact check amid national political scrutiny. Perhaps
a claim was too strong, given the scare quotes from
in the Star treview headline. The site is hosted by
the state's embattled Department of Human Services DHS, also known
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as Fraud Central, as a part of the agency's Laughable
Program Integrity pr effort. In debunking all these false claims.
The news site includes devastating comments such as fact many
office buildings across the Midwest are former industrial buildings. The
DHS site heavily leans on logical fallacies of straw man
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and appeal authority arguments. For example, fact investigations are best
left to those with training and experience, probably not fans
of Nick Shirley or List Colliner Jennay Globe.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Bill Glong goes.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
On to right, really, I would strenuously disagree, and I
have for more than four years. I have more than
four years of work to back up my contrary view.
The new site takes on five alleged claims, including two
of the five inside of quotation marks. I cannot find
on the site any link or reference to any of
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the five claims. I would think that a link to
the item that you are fact checking would be a
basic feature of a fact check site. Your tax dollars
are worked though everybody. In its report, the Star Tribune
hazards of guests at the origin of a few of them.
The whole exercise appears to be another attempt to at
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fraud what fraud continued to cover up again. If you're
looking for real facts on Minnesota fraud, look no further
than the MN fraud files site, which launched at center
of the American experiment last week. There's also a link
available at alphanus dot org for fraud. That's what's really
funny about this, too, is that you had both of
these different entities out there that have been covering this
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stuff long before the Star Tribune decided to go and
get in on the action, because they don't really care
except when they need to go and carry the.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Water for the left.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
A review of billing data from the state run medicaid
funded autism program found that ninety percent of claims submitted
to the program in the past four years were flagged
for not matching clear state policies and procedures. I'll give
you details on that and then we'll turn our attention
over to the legislative session. A number of bills already
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being proposed head of today's.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
A start in Saint Paul.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Your comments from the iHeartRadio app coming up as well
here on Twin City's News Talk Am eleven thirty and
one oh three five FM. A review of billing data
from a state run medicaid funded autism program found that
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ninety percent of claims submitted to the program in the
past four years were flagged for not matching clear state
policies and procedures. But remember, guys, fraud is all but
you know forgotten. If it wasn't for Governor Tim Walls,
we wouldn't even be you know, talking about any of
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this at this point in time. Sorry, out of Alpha
news here on Twin City's news talk Lader with the
show this morning. The revelation came last week from Deputy
Commissioner John Connolly the Minnesota Department if You Human Services.
Connelly oversees the state's Medicaid funded programs, discuss the matter
while briefing reporters on the DHS program review system that's
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currently being fine tuned. Built by DHS and Optum. The
automated Repayment to Review system was announced three months ago
by WALLS in response to the ongoing fraud issues. The
system uses advanced analytics and artificial intelligence to monitor claims
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submitted to the state's Medicaid funded welfare programs. By the way,
we were supposed to have to be Gartenstein Ross on
the show today, but he had some changes at home
that kept him from being able to join us today.
So he'll be on with us again next week. For
those that are wondering why he wasn't on LEFTAR Specifically,
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any claim that is flagged by the system for potential
fraud or other issues is not paid until further review
has completed.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Okay, that's good, all right.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
OPTUMS work has been to develop a pre payment review system.
An analysis of PASS claims submitted to those programs was conducted.
One of those programs is the Early Intensive Development Behavioral
Intervention or EIDBI. That benefit gives Medicaid funds to companies
that provide autism services. So in twenty twenty one, the
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EIDIB cost about eighty three million dollars. By twenty twenty four,
that program had ballooned to three hundred and forty two
million dollars average. I can't believe it because we have
a lot of fraud in the state. Multiple people have
been charged at recent months for defrauding the EIDBI program.
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Discussing Optimum OPTIMS analysis of PASS claims, Connelly told reporters
that they found claims that didn't match clear policies or procedures,
and over ninety percent of EIDI claims in the four
years studied were flagged. During that four year win that
was reviewed, over seven hundred and forty three million of
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claims were paid out via this program. While some of
those claims, according to the article here from Alpha News,
we're almost certainly fraudulent. DHS noted that the flagged claim
does not necessarily mean the claim was inappropriate. Instead, DHS
explained that if the pre payment review system being developed
now had been in place at the time those claims
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were made, ninety percent would have been flagged, subjected to
further review, and only paid out upon completion of that review.
Connelly said in a statement, this is not a measure
of fraud, waste, and abuse, but it shows us where
we need to do more work to understand why these
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claims are raising red flags.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Listen, you may need to filter, you.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Know, filter out the good versus bad, but it is
absolutely going to be included in our measurement of fraud.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
He said.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
We may need to clarify policies so claims that deserve
to be approved are not necessarily or excuse me, unnecessarily flagged.
In other cases, providers may not have the training they
need to file claims properly.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
We won't know and till we do the work to understand.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
So.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
A version of the repayment review.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
System is already being used to screen claims being submitted
to DHS today. The agency is working on fine tuning
this now. Connelly said Minnesota will have a state of
the art system for checking medicaid claims for error and
potential fraud before payments are made, when the system is complete,
and they hope to have it fully operational by the
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end of the year. This is me sitting here, not
holding my breath on any of this. You shouldn't even
need any of this. It's unnecessary if the staff at
DHS wasn't facing retribution and for example, if somebody were
to go and point out the potential red flags earlier.
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I mean, that's where the problem had stemmed all along.
And now they're going to take a year to make
a program to go and do what the individual's working
in DHS essentially should already be doing. It's a stop gap.
It simply a means as we move through the start
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of the legislative session, which we'll get into with Representative
Walter Hudson, it simply a means to go and say, hey,
look at what we're doing over here. Look we have
this new program. See now we're doing the right thing.
Now we're going and checking fraud. Now we're stopping payments
to these programs that have had red flags raised. Okay,
that's great, I'm glad that we are fantastic, But Why
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weren't you doing this the whole time, because that this
ten to nineteen billion dollars in fraud could have been
avoided if we had just done this.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
In the first place. Now, moving over.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
To the legislative session, Ice access to Minnesota schools restricted
under a new DFL proposal sponsored by Representative Sydney Jordan.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Oh She's a radical.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Sidney Jordan's HF thirty four to thirty five would prohibit
officials and employees of a school, district or charter school
from allowing a federal agent employed directly by the United
States Department of Homeland Security or employed by United States
Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Border Protection, US United States Citizenship
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Immigration Services. Basically, any federal agency, any federal law enforcement
agency would be prohibited from entering the school grounds for
any purpose without providing valid identification and a written statement
of purpose and a valid judicial warrant. Under the bill,
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an agent would be required to receive approval from the
superintendent or district of a person having administrative control of
the school. Is a part of me that almost wants
the GOP to let this pass because it's a non issue.
Ice has not entered any schools even during what the
left describes as an authoritarian attempt to take over Minnesota,
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you didn't have ice agents going into schools now. I
say that tongue firmly planted in my cheek because I
don't agree with this. It is a ridiculous notion to
prohibit law enforcement agencies from entering the school. And all
this ridiculous bill does proposed by this ridiculous Representative Sidney Jordan,
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is put out more distrust within our federal government and
the Trump administration. That's what it's designed to do. It's
also designed to create another argument against Republicans during the
legislative session and ultimately is a waste of time.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
An exception would include when.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Officials are required by state or federal law to administer
a state or federally supported educational program. If an agent
meets the requirements, the district recharged to school must limit
access to areas where students aren't present. The proposal says,
it is just a bill to fearmonger, to vilify and
demonize law enforcement. And what do they use as the
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example in here the story of five year old Liam Kinejramos,
who wasn't a school and wasn't used as bait as
they continue to put forward that lie, so they don't
even have a school instance to point to to justify
this ridiculous bill. Representative Walter Hudson as a bill of
his own, residential protesting could be involved, could be a
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crime under this GOP proposal. We'll talk with Representative Walter
Hudson next right here on Twin Cities News Talk AM
eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
These News Talk and Guaranteed Humans.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
We've been discussing ice new bills in the legislative session.
We will talk with Representative Walter Hudson here in just
a moment. Also, programs in tackling fraud here implemented in
the wake of all of the fraud revelations. The question
that I have is why weren't these set up a
long time ago. Let's go to a few of your
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comments from the iHeartRadio app brought to you by Lyndahl
Realty here on Twin Cities News Talk before we talk
with Representative Walter Hudson.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Talking about it setting up these new programs to search
for fraud and software and AI. All I can say is,
remember men lars, remember men lars, Remember Menlars have a
great day.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So what you're saying is, remember min.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
Lars, John, when you dig into that story that ninety
percent is straight Medicaid. A lot of people don't just
have straight Medicaid, they have Medicare with Medicaid. So this
is actually a very small, like eighteen percent only of
people that have Medicaid. So it's a lot worse if
they would do those with two insurances.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Good morning John, great show.
Speaker 11 (21:26):
What if there's a school shooter and ICE is in
the neighborhood, they get the stand outside and say no,
I'm sorry, we're not allowed to help.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
This is with regard to the Fox nine story of
Ice access to Minnesota schools restricted under this new DFL proposal.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
Good morning John.
Speaker 12 (21:46):
It'd be nice if they go into the schools. I mean,
can you imagine how it lessen the class sizes and
then our actual students would get the proper you know,
teacher student ratio, and we can actually cut funding and
maybe shut down some schools that really don't need to
be open the safe taxpayers money.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
That would be a beautiful thing, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Thank you for the comments from the iHeartRadio app. Very
pleased to Welcome to the show. Representative Walter Hudson. Good
morn to Walter. How are we doing this morning?
Speaker 9 (22:16):
Oh, bright eyed, bushy tailed, and ready to start another
productive legislative session.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Quick snapshot expectation going into this legislative session. You think
that you're going to be able to accomplish items of
substance or are you expecting a lot of gridlock given
the plethora of controversies that we've been dealing with here
just since the start of the new year, Walter.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Well, listen.
Speaker 9 (22:43):
Based upon the posturing put forward buy House Democrats, it
certainly appears as though there's going to be a lot
of showy, theatrical partisan gridlock around, particularly issues involving ice
and anything they can conjure to take stown, said Trump.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Going into the midterm elections.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
The question is it is underneath the surface of all
that bloviating, is there a possibility to actually do something
productive for the people in Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
I hope the answer is yes. There's things we should
be doing.
Speaker 9 (23:15):
There's service we should be providing to the folks who
elected us.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
They didn't elect.
Speaker 9 (23:21):
Us just to scream at each other and make political points.
They elected us to actually affect policy for the good
of the state. So accepting the fact that there's most
definitely going to be a lot of theatrical chess pumping
and you know, protesting in the guise of legislating, hopefully
we'll be able to accomplish at least one or two
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things that actually make life permit someone's better well.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And that's the thing, you know, once we get into
the legislative session. The aspect of that, I'm always curious about, Walter,
and it seems as if you don't really know until
after the session starts, is you know what the actual
temperature of everybody is once you get everybody at the capitol.
I know, throughout the course of several years we've had
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a much better understanding of just where everybody's heads are at,
because right now we're only talking about what we see
on the surface level, the loudest voices within the legislature.
And I know that often during these legislative sessions, what
is put forward within the media and the narratives doesn't
always reflect the reality of what the individuals actually on
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the ground at the Capitol feel these about these various issues.
But I don't expect that you really have a gauge
for that until you get a week or so into
the session.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
Right, Well, that's true, and it's also a complete disservice
because we have a shortened session this year, which means
our committee deadlines are going to be approaching very fast.
So we really can't afford to waste two weeks with
a bunch of theatrics, and we do it to actually
get something done. But we'll see how serious House Democrats are.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Do you anticipate Let's start here.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I was just providing details of this Representative Sidney Jordan
dfl Out of Minneapolis HF thirty four to thirty five
prohibiting officials and employees of a school district or charter
school from allowing a federal agent to employed directly with
various federal law enforcement agencies to enter a school for
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any purpose without providing valid identification, a written statement of purpose,
or a valid judicial warrant. Now, as we know, typically
with these bills, you know, it depends on what kind
of appetite there is for them and whether or not
they move through the legislative process to actually end up
going to a vote anticipation on this particular bill. Do
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you think there's a lot of energy behind it. Do
you believe that this is one you're going to have
to be tackling that may end up, you know, going
to a vote.
Speaker 9 (25:48):
Well, I'm sure it'll go to some kind of vote
in committee at the very least, I don't anticipate.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
It moving out of committee.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
That's a question.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Ridiculous. Yeah, it's utterly ridiculous on its face.
Speaker 9 (25:58):
First of all, setting aside the fact that it's completely unconstitutional,
supremacy clause applies. The federal government has jurisdiction over its
enumerated powers, and there's nothing that states can do to say, now,
we're just we're not going to participate in that part
of the compact that is the Constitution in the United States.
Setting that aside, who's going to enforce this? And this
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is a question because this is probably one of many
such ridiculous pieces of legislation that the Democrats are going
to try to do kabuki theater around. But the question
is always going to come back to what exactly is
it that you're trying to set up?
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Here?
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Are you trying to set up a confrontation between local
law enforcement.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
And the feds.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
You think that's going to resolve, Well, you think that's productive,
and they haven't thought through that far. I really don't
think they have, because it's not about how it would
actually work, Like with so many of the policies that
they've enacted, it's never about how it would actually work
on the ground functionally and operationally. It's about how does
it make me feel? What does it signal in terms
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of my virtue? And so, yeah, I don't see this
going anywhere in committee. Maybe I'm wrong. There's a couple
of parliamentary maneuvers that they could pull to try to
get a vote on the floor, and.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
We'll see how that plays out as well.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
So let's talk about that compared to a bill that
you are sponsoring along with others residential protesting and potentially
making this a crime under this proposal juxtappose you know
what was being presented here by Sidney Jordan to what
it is that you and others on the Republican side
are proposing with this bill.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
Well, it's pretty simple that we have time, place, and
manner restrictions on speech as an established precedent in case law,
and it's entirely appropriate to prohibit protest at somebody's residence.
I don't care who they are This would apply to
every person in Minnesota, every residence in Minnesota. It's not
an appropriate time, plays or manner for you to be
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engaging in proest. There are plenty of other ways in
your twenty twenty six to make your voice heard and
to register your dissent from whatever it is that you
feel people are doing that you disagree with the idea
that you're going to go to their house and disturb
the peaceful enjoyment of their property and terrorize neighbors and
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children and family should be completely outside the bounds of
what we consider acceptable behavior in polite society.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Other states have done this. It makes total sense.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
It has no encroachment whatsoever upon the First Amendment. You
don't have a First Amendment right to come into my
house and start yelling me in my bed. Right, same
thing goes with my property more generally.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Well, and I think it'll speak volumes for those that
want to push back and disagree with this as well.
I mean, we've seen how this has spiraled. I mean
you mentioned it, Walter talking on Representative Walter Hudson. We've
seen how this has spiraled out of control to something
that wouldn't first occurred.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It was not necessarily a common occurrence.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
It was very infrequent that this would pop up, and
at the time it was roundly criticized by both left
and right. But we've entered into a completely different realm
relating to protesting at the moment wherein I'm agreeing with you.
I think that we need to have some provisions like
this to re establish what had been before all of this,
a societal standard that we used to sort of self
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govern and tragically we just don't do that, do that anymore.
I mean, you can actually speak larger to the issue
of what we've been dealing with in terms of the
obstructing a vice agent since Operation Metro Surge started. So
good on you guys for putting this forward. And I'm
interested to see what the complaints are going to be
from the left moving forward on this particular Bill Walter
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Osen Well.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
You and me both.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
I am very curious to see when who knows, maybe
they'll embrace it because this benefits them as well. Right,
I don't know why anybody on either side of the
aisle would want to have to front a mob of
people surrounding their house and terrorizing their kids and disturbing
their neighbor's ability to.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Enjoy their property.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
So if they want to argue in favor of that,
that'll certainly be fascinating to conjure. I mean, I can't
I can't imagine what that argument could possibly be. That
that isn't that makes any sort of internal logical or
legal sense.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Well, especially Walter Hudson, considering how so much of what
has been taking place over the course of the past
few weeks, the left has used the excuse or motivation
justification of you know, we're protecting our neighbors and ice
is coming into our neighborhoods and disrupting our lives. So
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it would seem as if maybe you're right, maybe there
will be some individuals that will hop on board, because
they certainly have been very upset over what's been taking
place in neighborhoods because of ICE's presence. So that would
at least make me believe that they care about, you know,
what actually happens in residential areas regarding this type of activity.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
I mean, one could be optimistic.
Speaker 9 (31:08):
Unfortunately, it certainly seems as though the actual rule that
they follow is that they get to do whatever they want.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
And the rules only apply to us. So we'll see
so on.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
The legislative session.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And then I do want to talk to you a
little bit about what's transpired here with Operation Metro Surg
because we haven't had a chance to really chat about this,
and I know you've been very active online in terms
of putting a commentary out. I'd like to discuss that
with you as well. This is not a budget year,
you know, so the legislature doesn't need to go and
pass a budget. Obviously the state's finances are not in
good shape. It is a bonding year, however, So talk
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a little bit about your expectations in this legislative session,
and I guess Representative Walter Hudson more specifically, what would
you like to see happen regardless of what transpires, you know,
not being a budget year, we do have to deal
with the bonding issue. What is it that you would
like to see how and during this legislative session.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Well, I do think we have a lot of critical
infrastructure needs in the state that we should be spending
our time addressing with a serious bonding bill that looks
at things like you know, water and sewage and you know,
roads and bridges and things that are that are actually
critically needed in communities around the state. It would be
it would be amazing if we can set aside all
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the bs to actually do our jobs for once, So
I think that should be a priority. There's tax conformity
issues obviously with che which is a pretty routine thing,
even though it will be made political because you know,
it's an opportunity to shout about Oige man bad, but
that's something that needs to happen early on as well.
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And then there's all sorts of other policy changes that
I think would be beneficial to Minnesotan's you know, this
residential protest thing is one another bill we're going to
be hearing tomorrow is a bill.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
To provide aggravated.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
Sentencing for folks who engage in multiple crimes in possession
of a weapon, which I think is something that would
go a long way towards making our streets safer. I
know that Democrats typically don't like to put bad guys
in jail, but that's kind of how you keep them
away from the good guys. So I'd like to think
that there's a potential to do something there. There's a
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number of things that I'd personally interested in surrounding family
law and parental custody where I think there's an opportunity
for bipartisan consideration, and those conversations have already begun. Again
under the surface, not glossy, not showy, just the real
legislative work. So again, it all depends on how serious
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people want to be. There's going to be the theatrics,
there's going to be the bloviating, there's going to be
the kabuki theater. But underneath the surface, in the quiet
corners of the capital, how serious are certain members on
either side going to be willing to be in order
to actually get work done that benefits Minesota.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
We have a couple love comments that have come in
talk back to the iHeart Radio at mine.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
If we take a few of these, Walter, sure.
Speaker 13 (34:11):
Please tell me you're not trying to advocate for restriction
of protesting on public property. No matter where it is,
we cannot go there private property, But if it's in
some neighborhood on a public street, you cannot stifle that.
It's in the constitution.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Where's the nuance, Walter Hudson in the bill that you're
proposing relating to protesting.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
For whatever reason, I wasn't able to clearly hear the talkback,
but I got the gist of the argument is that
you can do whatever you want on a public street.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
That's utterly ridiculous. Of course, you can't do whatever you
want on a public street.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Public streets are public property. And this is one of
my favorite kind of ridiculous premises that people think their
constitutional authorities when they talk about public property. You know
you have a public library. Guess what you can't do
go there at four in the morning to check out
a book because it's closed.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Right.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
There are rules, Yes, there are rules that govern the
use of public property. And a public road is there
to be used for transportation, and specifically for lawful transportation
relevant to the folks who live in that area.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
You don't have a right to just.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
Go into any neighborhood and start making a ruckets.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
It's called disturbing the peace.
Speaker 9 (35:31):
I mean you can make if you want to make
a good argument against this law that I'm proposing. The
good argument would be that we already have laws in
place but that could be enforced that would prevent this
from happening. The problem is they don't get in for it,
and so we need to specify it more.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Clearly here's another one along those same lines, talking the
representative of Walter Hudson.
Speaker 9 (35:52):
Good morning, John Rich Here, So Walter Hudson is proposing
a bill that they can't protest at people's homes?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Can we also that the church issue? So we have
a federal law, Yes, but how about a state law with.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Some teeth to it.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
I don't know if you heard that one. But again
to the bill you're proposing. He's out talking about the
church issue. We have a federal law, but what about
a state law regarding being able to conduct a protest
inside of a church?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (36:20):
Before that, I think it probably would be a separate
bill in this case, because you're you end up mutting
the waters of you know, angles from which to attack it.
But yeah, I think that again Again, similarly, a good
argument against that is that we already have laws in place,
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they just need to be enforced, and so.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
That doesn't mean it's not worthwhile to pursue. But at
the same time.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
The real problem here, the real underlying problem, is that
we don't have local authorities that are willing to force
the law. Now out here in Wright County that's not
a problem, but the closer you get to the city,
the more of a problem it is, and people find
themselves living in more or less a state of nature
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whereby anybody who's protesting for the right cause can get
away with doing whatever they.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Want before we let you go.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Today, I'm talking with Representative Walter Hudson. I know you've
been very active putting commentary up online. I wuld encourage
everybody to follow you on X. Is there anywhere else
online where people can go and find out in terms
of the commentary that you've been putting out there, especially
in the wake of Operation Metro Surge and what's been
transpiring here in the state as of late.
Speaker 9 (37:37):
Yeah, my primary platform has been YouTube, So just go
on YouTube and just look me up. Walter Hadson should
pop up pretty quick. And I try to put out
stuff on a fairly regular basis, and the whole lot
premise behind it is to dig just a layer deeper
underneath the issue, as opposed to just telling you what
I think about it, telling you why I think that way,
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why things work the way they work a little behind
the scenes of some of these issues and occurrences that happen,
and people seem to enjoy it. It's been relatively successful
and I appreciate people's patronage well.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
And last thing this morning, again talking to the Representative
Walter Hudson, you know, never letting a manufacturing crisis go
to waste. We do see the Operation Metro Surge drawing down,
although you hear a lot of individuals on the left
saying we don't know if they're leaving for sure, don't
believe the hype. In the meantime, you've got Governor Tim Walls.
He wants a bailout of businesses for whatever math they're
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using to come up with this number that they say
the economy has been negatively impacted here in the state,
directly tied to the actions of the federal law enforcement officials.
I'm just curious, you know, do you have a quick
thirty thousand foot view of what's transpired and more recently,
this desire by Governor Tim Walls to essentially go and
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bail out these businesses because as he said last week,
you know, you can't just go and break a bunch
of stuff to pay for it. And he thinks the
federal government shou just step in and have to pay
for their actions here during Operation Metro Surge.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
It's an utterly ridiculous premise.
Speaker 9 (39:09):
It's a repeat of twenty twenty when he let the
city burn for three days and then turned around and
tried to sit in the bill to Washington, DC. This
is even more egregious because this was an entirely contrived chaos,
and it was contrived from the top down by Governor Walls,
by Mayor Jacob fry, By Keith, Attorney General Keith Ellison,
all out there delegitimizing the authority of Ice, engaging an
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insurrectionist rhetoric, supporting and encouraging people to take to the
streets to commit federal crimes. The stuff that was broke
in Minnesota was broke by them. It was broke by
the Democrats. It was broke by the left. You don't
get to blame the fence for doing their job. This
didn't happen in any other state. It only happened here.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Why is that?
Speaker 9 (39:57):
It's because of our ridiculous insurrection is leadership. And they
can pay their own damn bills.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Say Representative Walter Hudson. As always, thank you so much
for the time this morning. I look forward to getting
caught up on the legislative session when time is available
for you. Good luck as you head to us Saint
Paul later today. Godspeed to you and everybody else. Hopefully
this ends up being a productive legislative session. But this
is me sitting here talking to you, not holding my breath.
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But I appreciate the time this morning, my friend.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
No problem, Take care all right?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Coming up, A woman says her partner passed away following
mised treatments due to ice. Also, ice tactics being questioned
after a Brooklyn park man was lured from his own
en detained. I'll give you details on that and quick comments.
Barack Obama stirred things up over the weekend saying that
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aliens were real in a recent podcast. I want to
share some thoughts on this and we'll get to your
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Mr John Sam John as always your one hundred percent correct.
These anti Ice lunatics that we live amongst in the
Twin Cities are very sad because they're losing their limelight
from the theatrical show that they live in every day
fantasy land. If you go to Facebook and see all
our paranoid posts that Ice is doing all these things still,
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you'll see the comments by the Joe Blows of the
world like us are all negative, telling them get a
life and go home.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Thank you, Scott as always good to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
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Speaker 4 (01:04):
Good morning, John. I find it funny that Governor Walls
wants to sue the federal government for damages, especially if
you think that we had three thousand plus agents here
that had to spend money in the state in order
to have motel rooms, go to restaurants and visit other
stores and facilities that we have in the state. So
didn't they bring in a ton of money? Thanks not
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have a good day.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I want to see the breakdown of where they're claiming
all of this lost revenue in the state.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I just don't buy any of it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
We talked about this a bit on Friday, Governor Tim
Walls saying that he's going to make the federal government pay.
You can't just go and mess the place up and
break things and not expect to pay for What did
Ice break? What damage did Ice go and do.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
All of.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
The mayhem that I've seen has all been taking place
because of the insurrectionists, the agitators on the street. I'm
not seeing any evidence of what Ice is broken. I
haven't seen Ice going and carrying out garbage and furniture
and obstructing intersections in South Minneapolis, stringing trash behind during
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their protests, vandalizing buildings when they think that Ice is
staying inside of them.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The list goes on and on. I have no idea what.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Walls is talking about with this loss of economic revenue,
and if he's talking about the businesses, and the businesses
in the most part really have only themselves to blame,
especially the ones that win in closed down during the
time of the ice out strikes.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Hey, good morning, John, Barry and andover.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
So answer this for me. The businesses the left are
crying about the construction companies who are using illegal labor
to lower the expenses to increase their profits. Aren't these
literally the kind of companies the left is usually yelling
and screaming about.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Of course, Nope, it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
It doesn't need to make any sense on the left though.
Whatever furthers the agenda, common sense coc can go out
the window. Being a hypocrite is not a negative. It's
their world, their alternate universe, wherein they don't have.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
To go and make sense when it comes to their criticisms.
Speaker 7 (03:30):
So let me get this straight, John. Companies decide to
shut down out of their own will in protest. Device
companies decide to hire undocumented or illegal aliens or whatever you.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Want to call them.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
And now it's our responsibility to build these people and
businesses out. This state knows no end to the amount
of corruption and bs.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
This is unreal.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
The good news is.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That we do have a system of checks and balances,
and I'm convinced that at this point and we'll see
how this shakes out. But any demands to have the
federal government pay whatever amount the left determines, I mean,
and they're just making up numbers, right, That's all they're doing.
They're talking about economic activity. They're extrapolating based off of
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the level of fear in the community, people not going
to work, businesses allegedly not getting the foot traffic that
they typically have, restaurants that apparently have had to close down.
They're just taking this hodge podge of different issues relating
to ICE enforcement, all.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Of which ninety nine point nine.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Percent is all self inflicted, and then they are arbitrarily
coming up with a number. I'm convinced they're only doing
that because they just want as much as they possibly
can to argue with when it comes to Republicans. That's
all that it comes down to. They know what's ridiculous.
It doesn't have to make sense, it doesn't have to
be rational. They know that Republicans are going to appropriately
go and push back on it and not agree to it,
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and this just provides an opportunity to argue with Republicans.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Now, as I've.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Mentioned several times, as the ICE operations draw down, depending
on what party you're listening to, fraud is going to
take center stage, and we're going to get into a
bit of this. Homeland Security Secretary Christy no said, in
the wake of all of this, the agency, the Department
of Homeland Security DHS, is not slowing down, and we
can expect more arrests, not necessarily because of ICE, but
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because of the fraud here in Minnesota.
Speaker 8 (05:38):
I heard you ask about Operation Metro Surge and CBP
and ICE and what was the two eighty seven G.
Now we're still working on two eighty seven G agreements
that would happen with local law enforcement, sheriff, city police.
We would love to have that kind of an agreement
with the Minneapolis Police Department or with sheriffs in Minnesota.
I know that some of the operations in Minnesota are changing,
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but we're going to continue to stay focused with our
investigators through the Homeland Security investigations on the fraud that's
been going on on making sure that those individuals there
are working to get to the bottom of the billions
of taxpayer dollars that we're stolen and funneled out of
this country for nefarious reasons. So you know, I'm worth
grateful that we've found some agreement on what we can
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do to try to work together. We're looking to formalize
those to make sure that we can bring peace and
safety to the Twin Cities. Thank you, everybody, thanks for
being here. We appreciate it. Have a great day.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
The Minnesota Department of Human Services, so that's Minnesota's DHS,
published a so called fact check last week which was
attempting to doing that thing with my fingers, correct misleading
information and outright false claims about medicaid fraud in Minnesota.
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Wouldn't it be great if we had a state level
program that could go and correct misleading information and outright
false claims relating to ICE enforcement.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That would be incredibly helpful.
Speaker 9 (07:10):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
In its fact check, DHS pushed back against claims surrounding
Minnesota's ongoing for fraud problems. One of the claims the
agency fact checked was an unattributed statement which said Minnesota's
fraud problem is uniquely bad. Shockingly, DHS went and rejected
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that claim. So I was working off of the version
here from Alpha News. I want to transition over to
Center the American Experiment Fraud Coverage Guru. Alpha News has
a link available for a plethora of fraud related stories,
as does Center the American Experiment. But Bill Klahn over
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An American Experiment has a piece last week based off
of what I was just mentioning a factless fact check.
The Watson administration debuted their fact check to much acclaim,
with the tagline, a place for Minnesotans to find accurate
information about our fright, our fight against fraud.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It's hard to say fright against fraud, fight against fraud.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
It's a bit of a tongue twister from the Star Tribune,
Minneapolis creates fraud fact check amid national political scrutiny. Perhaps
a claim was too strong, given the scare quotes from
in the Star treview headline. The site is hosted by
the state's embattled Department of Human Services DHS, also known
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as Fraud Central, as a part of the agency's Laughable
Program Integrity pr effort. In debunking all these false claims.
The news site includes devastating comments such as fact many
office buildings across the Midwest are former industrial buildings. The
DHS site heavily leans on logical fallacies of straw man
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and appeal authority arguments. For example, fact investigations are best
left to those with training and experience, probably not fans
of Nick Shirley or List Colliner Jennay Globe.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Bill Glong goes.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
On to right, really, I would strenuously disagree, and I
have for more than four years. I have more than
four years of work to back up my contrary view.
The new site takes on five alleged claims, including two
of the five inside of quotation marks. I cannot find
on the site any link or reference to any of
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the five claims. I would think that a link to
the item that you are fact checking would be a
basic feature of a fact check site. Your tax dollars
are worked though everybody. In its report, the Star Tribune
hazards of guests at the origin of a few of them.
The whole exercise appears to be another attempt to at
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fraud what fraud continued to cover up again. If you're
looking for real facts on Minnesota fraud, look no further
than the MN fraud files site, which launched at center
of the American experiment last week. There's also a link
available at alphanus dot org for fraud. That's what's really
funny about this, too, is that you had both of
these different entities out there that have been covering this
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stuff long before the Star Tribune decided to go and
get in on the action, because they don't really care
except when they need to go and carry the.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Water for the left.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
A review of billing data from the state run medicaid
funded autism program found that ninety percent of claims submitted
to the program in the past four years were flagged
for not matching clear state policies and procedures. I'll give
you details on that and then we'll turn our attention
over to the legislative session. A number of bills already
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being proposed head of today's.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
A start in Saint Paul.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Your comments from the iHeartRadio app coming up as well
here on Twin City's News Talk Am eleven thirty and
one oh three five FM. A review of billing data
from a state run medicaid funded autism program found that
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ninety percent of claims submitted to the program in the
past four years were flagged for not matching clear state
policies and procedures. But remember, guys, fraud is all but
you know forgotten. If it wasn't for Governor Tim Walls,
we wouldn't even be you know, talking about any of
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this at this point in time. Sorry, out of Alpha
news here on Twin City's news talk Lader with the
show this morning. The revelation came last week from Deputy
Commissioner John Connolly the Minnesota Department if You Human Services.
Connelly oversees the state's Medicaid funded programs, discuss the matter
while briefing reporters on the DHS program review system that's
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currently being fine tuned. Built by DHS and Optum. The
automated Repayment to Review system was announced three months ago
by WALLS in response to the ongoing fraud issues. The
system uses advanced analytics and artificial intelligence to monitor claims
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submitted to the state's Medicaid funded welfare programs. By the way,
we were supposed to have to be Gartenstein Ross on
the show today, but he had some changes at home
that kept him from being able to join us today.
So he'll be on with us again next week. For
those that are wondering why he wasn't on LEFTAR Specifically,
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any claim that is flagged by the system for potential
fraud or other issues is not paid until further review
has completed.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Okay, that's good, all right.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
OPTUMS work has been to develop a pre payment review system.
An analysis of PASS claims submitted to those programs was conducted.
One of those programs is the Early Intensive Development Behavioral
Intervention or EIDBI. That benefit gives Medicaid funds to companies
that provide autism services. So in twenty twenty one, the
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EIDIB cost about eighty three million dollars. By twenty twenty four,
that program had ballooned to three hundred and forty two
million dollars average. I can't believe it because we have
a lot of fraud in the state. Multiple people have
been charged at recent months for defrauding the EIDBI program.
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Discussing Optimum OPTIMS analysis of PASS claims, Connelly told reporters
that they found claims that didn't match clear policies or procedures,
and over ninety percent of EIDI claims in the four
years studied were flagged. During that four year win that
was reviewed, over seven hundred and forty three million of
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claims were paid out via this program. While some of
those claims, according to the article here from Alpha News,
we're almost certainly fraudulent. DHS noted that the flagged claim
does not necessarily mean the claim was inappropriate. Instead, DHS
explained that if the pre payment review system being developed
now had been in place at the time those claims
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were made, ninety percent would have been flagged, subjected to
further review, and only paid out upon completion of that review.
Connelly said in a statement, this is not a measure
of fraud, waste, and abuse, but it shows us where
we need to do more work to understand why these
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claims are raising red flags.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Listen, you may need to filter, you.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Know, filter out the good versus bad, but it is
absolutely going to be included in our measurement of fraud.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
He said.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
We may need to clarify policies so claims that deserve
to be approved are not necessarily or excuse me, unnecessarily flagged.
In other cases, providers may not have the training they
need to file claims properly.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
We won't know and till we do the work to understand.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
So.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
A version of the repayment review.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
System is already being used to screen claims being submitted
to DHS today. The agency is working on fine tuning
this now. Connelly said Minnesota will have a state of
the art system for checking medicaid claims for error and
potential fraud before payments are made, when the system is complete,
and they hope to have it fully operational by the
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end of the year. This is me sitting here, not
holding my breath on any of this. You shouldn't even
need any of this. It's unnecessary if the staff at
DHS wasn't facing retribution and for example, if somebody were
to go and point out the potential red flags earlier.
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I mean, that's where the problem had stemmed all along.
And now they're going to take a year to make
a program to go and do what the individual's working
in DHS essentially should already be doing. It's a stop gap.
It simply a means as we move through the start
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of the legislative session, which we'll get into with Representative
Walter Hudson, it simply a means to go and say, hey,
look at what we're doing over here. Look we have
this new program. See now we're doing the right thing.
Now we're going and checking fraud. Now we're stopping payments
to these programs that have had red flags raised. Okay,
that's great, I'm glad that we are fantastic, But Why
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weren't you doing this the whole time, because that this
ten to nineteen billion dollars in fraud could have been
avoided if we had just done this.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
In the first place. Now, moving over.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
To the legislative session, Ice access to Minnesota schools restricted
under a new DFL proposal sponsored by Representative Sydney Jordan.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Oh She's a radical.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Sidney Jordan's HF thirty four to thirty five would prohibit
officials and employees of a school, district or charter school
from allowing a federal agent employed directly by the United
States Department of Homeland Security or employed by United States
Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Border Protection, US United States Citizenship
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Immigration Services. Basically, any federal agency, any federal law enforcement
agency would be prohibited from entering the school grounds for
any purpose without providing valid identification and a written statement
of purpose and a valid judicial warrant. Under the bill,
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an agent would be required to receive approval from the
superintendent or district of a person having administrative control of
the school. Is a part of me that almost wants
the GOP to let this pass because it's a non issue.
Ice has not entered any schools even during what the
left describes as an authoritarian attempt to take over Minnesota,
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you didn't have ice agents going into schools now. I
say that tongue firmly planted in my cheek because I
don't agree with this. It is a ridiculous notion to
prohibit law enforcement agencies from entering the school. And all
this ridiculous bill does proposed by this ridiculous Representative Sidney Jordan,
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is put out more distrust within our federal government and
the Trump administration. That's what it's designed to do. It's
also designed to create another argument against Republicans during the
legislative session and ultimately is a waste of time.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
An exception would include when.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Officials are required by state or federal law to administer
a state or federally supported educational program. If an agent
meets the requirements, the district recharged to school must limit
access to areas where students aren't present. The proposal says,
it is just a bill to fearmonger, to vilify and
demonize law enforcement. And what do they use as the
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example in here the story of five year old Liam Kinejramos,
who wasn't a school and wasn't used as bait as
they continue to put forward that lie, so they don't
even have a school instance to point to to justify
this ridiculous bill. Representative Walter Hudson as a bill of
his own, residential protesting could be involved, could be a
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crime under this GOP proposal. We'll talk with Representative Walter
Hudson next right here on Twin Cities News Talk AM
eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
These News Talk and Guaranteed Humans.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
We've been discussing ice new bills in the legislative session.
We will talk with Representative Walter Hudson here in just
a moment. Also, programs in tackling fraud here implemented in
the wake of all of the fraud revelations. The question
that I have is why weren't these set up a
long time ago. Let's go to a few of your
(20:32):
comments from the iHeartRadio app brought to you by Lyndahl
Realty here on Twin Cities News Talk before we talk
with Representative Walter Hudson.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Talking about it setting up these new programs to search
for fraud and software and AI. All I can say is,
remember men lars, remember men lars, Remember Menlars have a
great day.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So what you're saying is, remember min.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
Lars, John, when you dig into that story that ninety
percent is straight Medicaid. A lot of people don't just
have straight Medicaid, they have Medicare with Medicaid. So this
is actually a very small, like eighteen percent only of
people that have Medicaid. So it's a lot worse if
they would do those with two insurances.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Good morning John, great show.
Speaker 11 (21:26):
What if there's a school shooter and ICE is in
the neighborhood, they get the stand outside and say no,
I'm sorry, we're not allowed to help.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
This is with regard to the Fox nine story of
Ice access to Minnesota schools restricted under this new DFL proposal.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
Good morning John.
Speaker 12 (21:46):
It'd be nice if they go into the schools. I mean,
can you imagine how it lessen the class sizes and
then our actual students would get the proper you know,
teacher student ratio, and we can actually cut funding and
maybe shut down some schools that really don't need to
be open the safe taxpayers money.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
That would be a beautiful thing, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Thank you for the comments from the iHeartRadio app. Very
pleased to Welcome to the show. Representative Walter Hudson. Good
morn to Walter. How are we doing this morning?
Speaker 9 (22:16):
Oh, bright eyed, bushy tailed, and ready to start another
productive legislative session.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Quick snapshot expectation going into this legislative session. You think
that you're going to be able to accomplish items of
substance or are you expecting a lot of gridlock given
the plethora of controversies that we've been dealing with here
just since the start of the new year, Walter.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Well, listen.
Speaker 9 (22:43):
Based upon the posturing put forward buy House Democrats, it
certainly appears as though there's going to be a lot
of showy, theatrical partisan gridlock around, particularly issues involving ice
and anything they can conjure to take stown, said Trump.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Going into the midterm elections.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
The question is it is underneath the surface of all
that bloviating, is there a possibility to actually do something
productive for the people in Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
I hope the answer is yes. There's things we should
be doing.
Speaker 9 (23:15):
There's service we should be providing to the folks who
elected us.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
They didn't elect.
Speaker 9 (23:21):
Us just to scream at each other and make political points.
They elected us to actually affect policy for the good
of the state. So accepting the fact that there's most
definitely going to be a lot of theatrical chess pumping
and you know, protesting in the guise of legislating, hopefully
we'll be able to accomplish at least one or two
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things that actually make life permit someone's better well.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
And that's the thing, you know, once we get into
the legislative session. The aspect of that, I'm always curious about, Walter,
and it seems as if you don't really know until
after the session starts, is you know what the actual
temperature of everybody is once you get everybody at the capitol.
I know, throughout the course of several years we've had
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a much better understanding of just where everybody's heads are at,
because right now we're only talking about what we see
on the surface level, the loudest voices within the legislature.
And I know that often during these legislative sessions, what
is put forward within the media and the narratives doesn't
always reflect the reality of what the individuals actually on
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the ground at the Capitol feel these about these various issues.
But I don't expect that you really have a gauge
for that until you get a week or so into
the session.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
Right, Well, that's true, and it's also a complete disservice
because we have a shortened session this year, which means
our committee deadlines are going to be approaching very fast.
So we really can't afford to waste two weeks with
a bunch of theatrics, and we do it to actually
get something done. But we'll see how serious House Democrats are.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Do you anticipate Let's start here.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I was just providing details of this Representative Sidney Jordan
dfl Out of Minneapolis HF thirty four to thirty five
prohibiting officials and employees of a school district or charter
school from allowing a federal agent to employed directly with
various federal law enforcement agencies to enter a school for
(25:18):
any purpose without providing valid identification, a written statement of purpose,
or a valid judicial warrant. Now, as we know, typically
with these bills, you know, it depends on what kind
of appetite there is for them and whether or not
they move through the legislative process to actually end up
going to a vote anticipation on this particular bill. Do
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you think there's a lot of energy behind it. Do
you believe that this is one you're going to have
to be tackling that may end up, you know, going
to a vote.
Speaker 9 (25:48):
Well, I'm sure it'll go to some kind of vote
in committee at the very least, I don't anticipate.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
It moving out of committee.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
That's a question.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Ridiculous. Yeah, it's utterly ridiculous on its face.
Speaker 9 (25:58):
First of all, setting aside the fact that it's completely unconstitutional,
supremacy clause applies. The federal government has jurisdiction over its
enumerated powers, and there's nothing that states can do to say, now,
we're just we're not going to participate in that part
of the compact that is the Constitution in the United States.
Setting that aside, who's going to enforce this? And this
(26:21):
is a question because this is probably one of many
such ridiculous pieces of legislation that the Democrats are going
to try to do kabuki theater around. But the question
is always going to come back to what exactly is
it that you're trying to set up?
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Here?
Speaker 9 (26:34):
Are you trying to set up a confrontation between local
law enforcement.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
And the feds.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
You think that's going to resolve, Well, you think that's productive,
and they haven't thought through that far. I really don't
think they have, because it's not about how it would
actually work, Like with so many of the policies that
they've enacted, it's never about how it would actually work
on the ground functionally and operationally. It's about how does
it make me feel? What does it signal in terms
(27:02):
of my virtue? And so, yeah, I don't see this
going anywhere in committee. Maybe I'm wrong. There's a couple
of parliamentary maneuvers that they could pull to try to
get a vote on the floor, and.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
We'll see how that plays out as well.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
So let's talk about that compared to a bill that
you are sponsoring along with others residential protesting and potentially
making this a crime under this proposal juxtappose you know
what was being presented here by Sidney Jordan to what
it is that you and others on the Republican side
are proposing with this bill.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
Well, it's pretty simple that we have time, place, and
manner restrictions on speech as an established precedent in case law,
and it's entirely appropriate to prohibit protest at somebody's residence.
I don't care who they are This would apply to
every person in Minnesota, every residence in Minnesota. It's not
an appropriate time, plays or manner for you to be
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engaging in proest. There are plenty of other ways in
your twenty twenty six to make your voice heard and
to register your dissent from whatever it is that you
feel people are doing that you disagree with the idea
that you're going to go to their house and disturb
the peaceful enjoyment of their property and terrorize neighbors and
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children and family should be completely outside the bounds of
what we consider acceptable behavior in polite society.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Other states have done this. It makes total sense.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
It has no encroachment whatsoever upon the First Amendment. You
don't have a First Amendment right to come into my
house and start yelling me in my bed. Right, same
thing goes with my property more generally.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Well, and I think it'll speak volumes for those that
want to push back and disagree with this as well.
I mean, we've seen how this has spiraled. I mean
you mentioned it, Walter talking on Representative Walter Hudson. We've
seen how this has spiraled out of control to something
that wouldn't first occurred.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It was not necessarily a common occurrence.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
It was very infrequent that this would pop up, and
at the time it was roundly criticized by both left
and right. But we've entered into a completely different realm
relating to protesting at the moment wherein I'm agreeing with you.
I think that we need to have some provisions like
this to re establish what had been before all of this,
a societal standard that we used to sort of self
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govern and tragically we just don't do that, do that anymore.
I mean, you can actually speak larger to the issue
of what we've been dealing with in terms of the
obstructing a vice agent since Operation Metro Surge started. So
good on you guys for putting this forward. And I'm
interested to see what the complaints are going to be
from the left moving forward on this particular Bill Walter
(29:46):
Osen Well.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
You and me both.
Speaker 9 (29:48):
I am very curious to see when who knows, maybe
they'll embrace it because this benefits them as well. Right,
I don't know why anybody on either side of the
aisle would want to have to front a mob of
people surrounding their house and terrorizing their kids and disturbing
their neighbor's ability to.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Enjoy their property.
Speaker 9 (30:10):
So if they want to argue in favor of that,
that'll certainly be fascinating to conjure. I mean, I can't
I can't imagine what that argument could possibly be. That
that isn't that makes any sort of internal logical or
legal sense.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Well, especially Walter Hudson, considering how so much of what
has been taking place over the course of the past
few weeks, the left has used the excuse or motivation
justification of you know, we're protecting our neighbors and ice
is coming into our neighborhoods and disrupting our lives. So
(30:47):
it would seem as if maybe you're right, maybe there
will be some individuals that will hop on board, because
they certainly have been very upset over what's been taking
place in neighborhoods because of ICE's presence. So that would
at least make me believe that they care about, you know,
what actually happens in residential areas regarding this type of activity.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
I mean, one could be optimistic.
Speaker 9 (31:08):
Unfortunately, it certainly seems as though the actual rule that
they follow is that they get to do whatever they want.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
And the rules only apply to us. So we'll see
so on.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
The legislative session.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And then I do want to talk to you a
little bit about what's transpired here with Operation Metro Surg
because we haven't had a chance to really chat about this,
and I know you've been very active online in terms
of putting a commentary out. I'd like to discuss that
with you as well. This is not a budget year,
you know, so the legislature doesn't need to go and
pass a budget. Obviously the state's finances are not in
good shape. It is a bonding year, however, So talk
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a little bit about your expectations in this legislative session,
and I guess Representative Walter Hudson more specifically, what would
you like to see happen regardless of what transpires, you know,
not being a budget year, we do have to deal
with the bonding issue. What is it that you would
like to see how and during this legislative session.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Well, I do think we have a lot of critical
infrastructure needs in the state that we should be spending
our time addressing with a serious bonding bill that looks
at things like you know, water and sewage and you know,
roads and bridges and things that are that are actually
critically needed in communities around the state. It would be
it would be amazing if we can set aside all
(32:25):
the bs to actually do our jobs for once, So
I think that should be a priority. There's tax conformity
issues obviously with che which is a pretty routine thing,
even though it will be made political because you know,
it's an opportunity to shout about Oige man bad, but
that's something that needs to happen early on as well.
(32:47):
And then there's all sorts of other policy changes that
I think would be beneficial to Minnesotan's you know, this
residential protest thing is one another bill we're going to
be hearing tomorrow is a bill.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
To provide aggravated.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
Sentencing for folks who engage in multiple crimes in possession
of a weapon, which I think is something that would
go a long way towards making our streets safer. I
know that Democrats typically don't like to put bad guys
in jail, but that's kind of how you keep them
away from the good guys. So I'd like to think
that there's a potential to do something there. There's a
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number of things that I'd personally interested in surrounding family
law and parental custody where I think there's an opportunity
for bipartisan consideration, and those conversations have already begun. Again
under the surface, not glossy, not showy, just the real
legislative work. So again, it all depends on how serious
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people want to be. There's going to be the theatrics,
there's going to be the bloviating, there's going to be
the kabuki theater. But underneath the surface, in the quiet
corners of the capital, how serious are certain members on
either side going to be willing to be in order
to actually get work done that benefits Minesota.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
We have a couple love comments that have come in
talk back to the iHeart Radio at mine.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
If we take a few of these, Walter, sure.
Speaker 13 (34:11):
Please tell me you're not trying to advocate for restriction
of protesting on public property. No matter where it is,
we cannot go there private property, But if it's in
some neighborhood on a public street, you cannot stifle that.
It's in the constitution.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Where's the nuance, Walter Hudson in the bill that you're
proposing relating to protesting.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
For whatever reason, I wasn't able to clearly hear the talkback,
but I got the gist of the argument is that
you can do whatever you want on a public street.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
That's utterly ridiculous. Of course, you can't do whatever you
want on a public street.
Speaker 9 (34:47):
Public streets are public property. And this is one of
my favorite kind of ridiculous premises that people think their
constitutional authorities when they talk about public property. You know
you have a public library. Guess what you can't do
go there at four in the morning to check out
a book because it's closed.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Right.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
There are rules, Yes, there are rules that govern the
use of public property. And a public road is there
to be used for transportation, and specifically for lawful transportation
relevant to the folks who live in that area.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
You don't have a right to just.
Speaker 9 (35:26):
Go into any neighborhood and start making a ruckets.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
It's called disturbing the peace.
Speaker 9 (35:31):
I mean you can make if you want to make
a good argument against this law that I'm proposing. The
good argument would be that we already have laws in
place but that could be enforced that would prevent this
from happening. The problem is they don't get in for it,
and so we need to specify it more.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Clearly here's another one along those same lines, talking the
representative of Walter Hudson.
Speaker 9 (35:52):
Good morning, John Rich Here, So Walter Hudson is proposing
a bill that they can't protest at people's homes?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Can we also that the church issue? So we have
a federal law, Yes, but how about a state law with.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Some teeth to it.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
I don't know if you heard that one. But again
to the bill you're proposing. He's out talking about the
church issue. We have a federal law, but what about
a state law regarding being able to conduct a protest
inside of a church?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (36:20):
Before that, I think it probably would be a separate
bill in this case, because you're you end up mutting
the waters of you know, angles from which to attack it.
But yeah, I think that again Again, similarly, a good
argument against that is that we already have laws in place,
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they just need to be enforced, and so.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
That doesn't mean it's not worthwhile to pursue. But at
the same time.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
The real problem here, the real underlying problem, is that
we don't have local authorities that are willing to force
the law. Now out here in Wright County that's not
a problem, but the closer you get to the city,
the more of a problem it is, and people find
themselves living in more or less a state of nature
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whereby anybody who's protesting for the right cause can get
away with doing whatever they.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Want before we let you go.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Today, I'm talking with Representative Walter Hudson. I know you've
been very active putting commentary up online. I wuld encourage
everybody to follow you on X. Is there anywhere else
online where people can go and find out in terms
of the commentary that you've been putting out there, especially
in the wake of Operation Metro Surge and what's been
transpiring here in the state as of late.
Speaker 9 (37:37):
Yeah, my primary platform has been YouTube, So just go
on YouTube and just look me up. Walter Hadson should
pop up pretty quick. And I try to put out
stuff on a fairly regular basis, and the whole lot
premise behind it is to dig just a layer deeper
underneath the issue, as opposed to just telling you what
I think about it, telling you why I think that way,
(38:00):
why things work the way they work a little behind
the scenes of some of these issues and occurrences that happen,
and people seem to enjoy it. It's been relatively successful
and I appreciate people's patronage well.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
And last thing this morning, again talking to the Representative
Walter Hudson, you know, never letting a manufacturing crisis go
to waste. We do see the Operation Metro Surge drawing down,
although you hear a lot of individuals on the left
saying we don't know if they're leaving for sure, don't
believe the hype. In the meantime, you've got Governor Tim Walls.
He wants a bailout of businesses for whatever math they're
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using to come up with this number that they say
the economy has been negatively impacted here in the state,
directly tied to the actions of the federal law enforcement officials.
I'm just curious, you know, do you have a quick
thirty thousand foot view of what's transpired and more recently,
this desire by Governor Tim Walls to essentially go and
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bail out these businesses because as he said last week,
you know, you can't just go and break a bunch
of stuff to pay for it. And he thinks the
federal government shou just step in and have to pay
for their actions here during Operation Metro Surge.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
It's an utterly ridiculous premise.
Speaker 9 (39:09):
It's a repeat of twenty twenty when he let the
city burn for three days and then turned around and
tried to sit in the bill to Washington, DC. This
is even more egregious because this was an entirely contrived chaos,
and it was contrived from the top down by Governor Walls,
by Mayor Jacob fry, By Keith, Attorney General Keith Ellison,
all out there delegitimizing the authority of Ice, engaging an
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insurrectionist rhetoric, supporting and encouraging people to take to the
streets to commit federal crimes. The stuff that was broke
in Minnesota was broke by them. It was broke by
the Democrats. It was broke by the left. You don't
get to blame the fence for doing their job. This
didn't happen in any other state. It only happened here.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Why is that?
Speaker 9 (39:57):
It's because of our ridiculous insurrection is leadership. And they
can pay their own damn bills.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Say Representative Walter Hudson. As always, thank you so much
for the time this morning. I look forward to getting
caught up on the legislative session when time is available
for you. Good luck as you head to us Saint
Paul later today. Godspeed to you and everybody else. Hopefully
this ends up being a productive legislative session. But this
is me sitting here talking to you, not holding my breath.
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But I appreciate the time this morning, my friend.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
No problem, Take care all right?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Coming up, A woman says her partner passed away following
mised treatments due to ice. Also, ice tactics being questioned
after a Brooklyn park man was lured from his own
en detained. I'll give you details on that and quick comments.
Barack Obama stirred things up over the weekend saying that
(40:52):
aliens were real in a recent podcast. I want to
share some thoughts on this and we'll get to your
comments from the iHeart radio app. Those talkbacks are brought
to you by Lyndahl Realty. It's all coming up right
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