May 8, 2026 • 42 mins
Dan and Gaardsy continue the Wolves and Wild discussion before Ben Goessling joins for the latest on the Vikings general manager search and some things that Kevin O'Connell said today at the opening of rookie minicamp.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Slash playoffs TC will be turned. Whenbye gonna get burnt Castle,
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people make it their own. They find the real quote
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from Anthony Edwards and they make it their own. It's
a beautiful thing. It's very creative, extremely creative. The way
you think about it. Do you have the rocco sound?
On the occasion, the rare occasion of the Minnesota Twins
struggling as a major league baseball entity, we know it's
(01:00):
not good baseball. Derek Shelton. After last after Yesterday's day debacle,
rubber game of the series, I think that was in Washington.
It was in which the bullpen imploded again. There were
a series of base running blunders. There were the usual
offensive mistakes as well, and some defensive errors. Derek Shelton.
(01:27):
We just did not play a good baseball game. It
seems as if that's going to be the tradition. No
matter who the manager is, it'll be some form of
Rocko saying, we know it's not good baseball. Yesterday afternoon
it was we just did not play a good baseball game,
very literal approach. And that's about as much twins as
(01:49):
I have in me. Walks are surging in baseball, reaching
levels hardly seen in the past seven decades. Wall Street
Journal story. Let me give you some more nuggets on
it that I was referring to earlier without having all
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of the details in my brain. The ABS strike zone
is in fact smaller, particularly at the top, than what
the strike zone has been MLB determined so you can
keep up with this, that the upper limit of the
new strike zone would be fifty three point five percent
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of the batter's height. I'm out already. How they decided that,
I guess, as I don't know. I'm out already. ABS
also call strikes based on where the ball you're ready
for it crosses the midpoint of the plate, rather than
the three dimensional box described in the rule book, which
to me raises more questions about why. I'm assuming there
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was a technological reason that they felt they had to
do it this way. Some pictures believe theyreies abs have
also impacted them on the edges of the plate, even
though officially the strike zone in those areas hasn't shifted.
So it's also worth noting that when batters have challenged
the call, they've been correct forty six percent of the time.
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When catchers challenge on behalf of their pictures, which they
have done already more than one than one hundred times,
they've gotten the call overturned sixty percent of the time.
That's a net gain of more than two hundred strikes.
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And yet pictures are still walking batters more than they
have in years. So the pictures are feeling like they're
getting job by the robot MP, and they might be
right on this. So I don't know. I don't understand
the technology at all. I was going to say, first
say enough, No, it's better to say at all. I
have absolutely right idea, But what does that mean? Call
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strikes on the where the ball crosses the midpoint of
the plate rather than the three dimensional box described in
the rule book. It's way too complicated for me. I
got no chance.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I didn't even know about the three dimensional box, did you.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
No? Sounds like a case for Aaron Gleman sometime in
the next few weeks. Yeah, we're due to have him back.
There's no question about that. By the way, the word
we didn't I don't think ever at least touch on it.
That Joe Ryan update is encouraging, right, it's it's not
a catastrophic injury in his case. Correct, nothing bad, although
somebody else another picture just had another setback. Which who
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was the other starter that's been battling. Is it Festa?
I thought we got another setback on him. Maybe it
was somebody else. Hard to say, does it matter, I'm
not sure? Six one two guy rights. Of course, you
aren't excited about the Vikings moved Dan. You never get
exciting you you only ever get excited about the Vikings downfall.
(05:00):
You should change your name to Danny Downer. That's original.
We don't change it to that. It's been that for
a couple of decades. That's pretty much Polly Dan. And
then you got a root for that too. We break
it out every one. Not at all, not at all
a seismic move, writs flim Flamm. But I really really
really like the Jay Jennings signing. If Koc runs the
ball on second and two, what are the chances we
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would ever run the ball on second and two. We
don't like running the ball on second and two. R
two is a perfect throwing down. Second two is a
good throwing down. Yeah, that's true. But it's not illegal
to go ahead and get the first down out of
the run.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But in all honesty, you could probably because it's second
and two, they probably think you're gonna throw you can
probably get more.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, if you run the ball well, depending on who.
I'm still a little concerned about our our running back situation.
What we got is it. Jennings is his last name,
the new He's got good numbers. I think he had.
I think he had injuries this last year. His numbers
came down from the year before. But here did have
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fifty five catches. I thought I read that. I think
fifty five was this past year, but he had more.
I think he was in the seventies or eighties the
year before that, because I think he missed a decent
number of games last season. But you can double check that.
I just I mean again, you know, because everybody's we're
all raving about how well we got him at a
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bargain price, and we were patient every move we make
is is the is the best move that's ever been made.
I can't believe we don't have more Super Bowl rings.
But anyway, is it possible that they're just does that
maybe tell you there wasn't as much demand for him
as he's He's a nice he's a nice third receiver. Absolutely,
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talent's good. I'll never gonna frown on talent. I just
don't think. I don't. Maybe it's desperation, maybe it's boredom,
but people are making it sound like this is the
gonna be the steal of the century. He only missed
two games. Oh last it was only two Okay in
the regular season? Okay, what was it? Where're his numbers? Didn't?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Didn't his receptions fall from from seventy seven to fifty five. Yeah,
last year he had nine touchdowns compared to six nine.
It's not bad. That's not a bad number. In the playoffs,
he had two catches. No, he had three catches on
eight targets in their two games. No tuddies.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
At what point does kg's absence become personal? Are we
sure he likes it here? Yeah? I wouldn't take it
personally at this point. I think it's it's it's fair
to say. Well, in fact, I heard Johnny was on
the show I was supposed to be a part of.
But I've been supplanted because I didn't show up the
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one time that Franco Solo wanted me on. Oh really yeah,
I'll never get that back now. And they, I think
somebody one of them asked about whether Garnett was going
to be there and I and I and Johnny said
he didn't know, but he said the most important thing,
which is KG is going to be where he wants
to be whenever he wants to be there. No one's
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going to tell KG where to go right when to go,
and you just have to accept that, right, that's just
the reality of KG. I don't think that means he's
bored with us. I think it's just the way the
way it works. That's that's his personality, that's his nature.
It is interesting to note again this is where he's
he is back in my day guy and very much
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a throwback guy. He does that podcast with Paul Pierce.
In fact, let's break and well, I'll give you a
couple of interesting nuggets from that. I want to get
to some texts on some other subjects. I want to
hear from the hockey community. How down on your club
are you? How hopeful are you that the team can
turn it in another must win situation. I think this
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will be our second must win situation, right we had
we had to win Game four against Dallas. I think
we have to win Game three here against Colorado to
at least, you know, keep the door open a bit,
to give ourselves a chance to get back in this thing.
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about this nugget utterly from the definitely from the non
secuitar department. There's absolutely no reason to at this particular
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time expect this particular discussion, but it just came to
my attention and it fascinates me and if it fascinates me,
I'm hoping it'll fascinate the listeners. Will the youngsters be
bored with it depends on how many of them have
ever heard of an historic concert called Woodstock. Okay, pretty
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iconic moment. I think you would agree so much. So
they tried to recreate it. Yeah, it didn't go as
well the second time. One documentary though, to look back
on this is via our buddy, one of the best
music writers in the country, Alan Paul and I don't
know how he got it, but he got it. The
artist booking fees list for Woodstock summer of nineteen sixty nine.
(10:42):
I love it. This is really good. Well, it also
tells you something about inflation. But so let's start at
the bottom and work our way up. Let's do it
that way. We'll count, you know. It's sort of like
we're counting down to who of the artist received the
most money, biggest booking fee. I need to participate in Woodstock.
(11:06):
I want to see who's there again. I got to
be reminded of that. Okay, yeah, you'll recognize several of them.
Oh yeah, in twenty sixth place. I may not read
them all because there's twenty six of them. Here a
group called Quill received six hundred bucks. That was their
booking fee. I don't remember Quill. I do remember the
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Incredible String Band. They're twenty fourth. They got a grand
they got at one thousand. Richie Havens twelve hundred bucks,
the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, they were very well known.
Eighteen hundred dollars. The Quicksilver Messenger Service three thousand ducks bucks.
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Robbie Shankar is ranked sixteenth. He got four grand. Arlow
Guthrie comes in at thirteenth. Five thousand, five hundred bucks,
ten years after seven five hundred bucks, and you want
this is easily the biggest bargain looking back, now this
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has to be the bargain of the entire Woodstock experience.
Congratulations to the promoters who pull this off. In eleventh place,
sly In the Family Stone received all of eight thousand
dollars to appear at Woodstock. Now, I'm sure they would say, well,
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it opened some doors in a way, that it was fine, right,
But that's that's highway robbery. Eight thousand dollars at number eleven,
Top ten Country Joe and the Fish at ten Brian
Oaks's favorite band The Grateful Dead ninth at seven thousand dollars.
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Santana nine five hundred bucks. Brilliant performance by Karl Jefferson
Airplane seventh nine thousand. Janis Choplin got eleven thousand, The
Who fourteen grand in fourth place, and I think this
was the first time they'd appeared in public. I think
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maybe I'm wrong. Crosby Stills in nash at least at
a big event twelve five three, third place, Joan Baez tenth,
who was just in town. I think for the one
of the No Kings rallies at the state Capitol ten thousand,
runner up, second place, second most amount of money, second
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biggest booking feet Woodstock Summer of sixty nine, Blood, Sweat
and Tears fifteen thousand dollars and first place. And this
probably won't surprise anyone because it's sort of considered the
headline experience, no pun intended, the Jimmy Hendrix experience. Yeah,
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eighteen dollars. They're all by themselves in first place, and
he shut it down. That was the That's true according
to Wikipedia, this guy eighteen grand. So what's eighteen do
the don't I'm asking you to do the math? Just
ask the computer, ask AI or whatever it's called, what's
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what would eighteen thousand dollars in nineteen sixty nine equate
to in twenty twenty six, in twenty twenty six money
to at least give us a ballpark figure? Does it say?
Do you get anything? You get any kind of answer
to that?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, I'm saying yes, anywhere from one hundred and sixty
one to one hundred and sixty five thousand.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
That sounds like a good chunk of change.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Also a bit of a bargain, though, because I'm thinking
to some of his biggest hendricks.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Now that's true.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Look, there's some bands that can get a million, there's
some bands that can get more for just a show
for a festival.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I don't know. I don't know how the festival business works.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Do you remember? Do you recall how much tickets cost
for Woodstock four dollars pretty close six dollars a day, basically.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Six a day.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
It's a bargain eighteen if you bought an advance for
all three days twenty four at the gate, I see.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Restrooms, fifty to fifty chances you get to one. I think,
although I didn't need it, it was just gonna say
you're in nature, go wherever you need to correct.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That's pretty cool. Rosenbaum was there, right, I thought rosen
was there. Well, I know Sauce's dad was. Yeah, that's right.
We've had him on to talk about Rosen wasn't there.
I don't think so. I swear Rosenbomb was there, but
maybe I'm just thinking about the Beatles.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I think you're thinking about the Beatles, you know, I
don't remember. I don't think. I don't remember him saying that,
But it's possible. I guess. I feel like somebody we
know did go beyond Sauce's dad, right, I thought there
was somebody else, But think it ain't out there. It
seems like I think it ain't. Anything's possible. Well, she
could text because she might know on Rosenbaumb. Yeah, you're right,
she's a historian on all this stuff, so it's very
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very possible. I don't know. Against Ben Gessling coming up
in just a few minutes. I love that you could
just buy tickets at the record stores in the New
York area. You love that that's how you got Well,
it's just yeah, kids don't even know, Like I remember
having to go was it Dayton's you could go to
like the ticket Master outlet at like Dayton's at Southdal.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah. Back in the day, you don't buy tickets. This
is when I was a kid, thirty five forty years ago.
So if you want to followly to go see Counting
Crows at Northrop, I could just go over to Southdale.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah and a couple Okay, I think there was just
something called ticket tron even before ticket Master, the same
kind of thing where you get tickets anywhere for various concerts.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That's uh, one time you got to sit in a queue,
you gotta hope you get one of the chosen ones,
and then you pay five million dollars to go to
these contents.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, that's what's gonna get to because originally for enough
set I think Lori Fisher had is it? Is it
blue dot? Does EA know what? Are they calling it?
Blue dot fever, blue dot disease? Yeah, And that's supposedly
not enough tickets are being purchased for, you know, various concerts,
and so then the people who are supposed to perform, say,
were canceling, yes in effect, and that yes, more of
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that is happening. Apparently that is that strictly priced are
prices out of control, even by today's standards. I think
they are, Yes, I think they are. I think.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
And what's frustrating is the ticket Master CEO within the
last year or so, was on some panel and basically
said he felt like tickets for concerts had been underpriced
for years, and he compared it to sports and said,
for somebody to sit courtside, they want to pay, you know,
thousands of dollars to go to a Knicks game, But
when Beyonce performs, you shouldn't have to pay that. And
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I think I do think there's some of the market
that is rebelling against that, because there have been a
lot of concerts canceled recently. And I'm a guy like
Sauce to bring him up again. He always checks it too,
because tickets seem like they're insanely priced for some of
these shows, especially in big venues.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And then they and there's a few people that can
obviously charge whatever they want and people are gonna pay right.
Morgan Wall and Taylor Swift like, you can go down
the list, but for your kind of runn of the
middle star concert, I think the prices have gone crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Six seven on one guy wants to know if it
was it's possible that sauce was conceived at Woodstock. I
don't think the timing works, but it's a good line. Nevertheless,
we have wondered, Yeah, from time to time that's come up.
What a sham list? Where are the archies on this list?
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That's from a vidgie guy to the archies perform at
the UH. I don't I think that might be a
good joke. There's a phenomenal book center around Woodstock called
small Town Talk. That's also from another seven to one guy.
We've got a couple of people listing via the seven
on one. Apparently we are. It's good to hear. I'm
saving the hot the answers to my hockey question. I
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got a bunch. I promise you I will get to them, probably,
I'm guess sing after the top five at five bottom
of the hour. Pause will be followed up with our
usual Friday visit with Ben Gestling. We'll talk about what
he thinks regarding the Jennings signing rookie Mini camp and
I think the head coach spoke today. If I'm not mistaken,
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and by the way, you see one of the older
we have one old name at rookie Mini Caamp, a
quarterback who once upon a time in a substitute role,
beat the Minnesota Vikings at the People Stadium. Did you
see him on the list? No, I didn't. We'll get
to that as well as we continue, get to the
bottom of the break, and then continue with mister Gessling Lavelle.
At five thirty, Andy Luder checks in. My older sister's
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friends bought Woodstock tickets at our local record store in
New Jersey, but a few got stuck on the New
York Thruway and never quite made it. You heard a
lot of that. A lot it has to be, and
some it's true, and some of it might be. I
want people to think I went because it became so historic,
but it wouldn't be all that surprising given the number
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of people, yeah, who attended or attempted to attack.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I feel like Saua's dad just left their car somewhere, Yeah,
abandon it, went up to the show.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Did they get it back on the other side? Was
it called? I'm not sure. I assume so they got
home eventually somehow. But the whole line of thinking then
was just take my car, man. You know, we'd all
come from the same of me. But I don't need
you know, it's fine. Your car's my car. You know
your sue causes meks, you know the whole bit. Ben
Gesling a little too young for Woodstock. I think he
joined us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline. I mentioned
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earlier Guestling that as far as I'm concerned, let me
see I can find the number again. On a second,
we were reading out the Woodstock artist booking fees, and
I still look at slying the family Stone only making
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eight thousand dollars and thinking that's a hell of a
bargain what they ended up becoming. That was only that
was like eleventh highest eight thousand bucks. Seems like a
heck of a bargain for the promoters, is what I
guess what I'm trying to say. So and at the
top of the list, Yeah, I'm sure you'll appreciate this,
even though he's well before your time. Jimmy Hendrix commanded
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the largest booking fee of eighteen thousand bucks. Joan Bayez
was number three. Joan Bayez, the you know, the the
Country Country the Folks singer who was just here for
the No Kings rally in Saint Paul not that many
weeks ago. So it goes on and.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
On Hendrick as a guitar player. Hendrix skidding the largest
booking free to me is how it should be. I mean,
that's obviously a number of incredible artists on the list
of different genres, but Hendricks at the top of the list,
and he gave the folks their money's were at that
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particular question festival with the iconic nationaland to performance at Sunrise.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I believe well stated good, good, good recall well not
recall there good research there, I'm sure, because I think
you were a little too young for Woodstock, weren't you?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I was, Yes, My parents thought they were like eleven
during I would Stock ninety four, Like where the twenty
fifth thing? I suppose I was like eleven for that?
And the one the one where like Olympus get ruined everything.
I suppose I was a high school but I was
not present for any of these in person.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
What was the one? What was the concert slash get
away that has been turned into documentaries because of what
a disaster it was? Yeah, Firefester were there any it
was like who was supposed to be the headliner there?
Do we remember? Well? I mean like joh Rule was
like a partner in it. Okay, but wasn't it supposed
to be a series of concerts tour? Was it just
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like it a week? Yeah, it was a festival in
the Caribbean Islands and it was just that. The documentaries
that have been done on that or legendary, two of
them Hulu and Netflix. They are both phenomenal. They are
both phenomenal, There's no question.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And you should watch the ninety nine Woodstock, like Guessling mentioned,
because we were both in high school the same time,
and like how that went pear shaped and just and
then limb biscuit like set it on fire literally is
fascinating to watch, like all these things like what could
have what did you think was going to happen? Like
to do all like they were just asking for so
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much trouble and they got.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
All of it, pretty much every bit of it. It's
pretty funny. Yeah, I'll definitely try to check that out.
Uh nive two guy rights? Is this true? Candice be true?
Norm Coleman was a roadie for ten years after at Woodstock.
Has that been established in the past and I didn't
just know it to my knowledge, I don't know you
interviewed him before, You're going to have a long times
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we've had him on. Yeah, maybe we should have him
on again, that's for sure. Okay, let's talk football and
not so much music here and and find out we have.
I think the opening of Vikings Rookie Mini Camp, I
teased to guards the earlier that at least one of
the participants is not young and is not a rookie.
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He's a quarterback who I think hasn't he beaten us
in a a reserve starting role at the People Stadium?
Yes he has.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
You are, in fact referring to a thirty two year
old Cooper Rush who got a veteran invite to the
Vikings one day only rookie mini camp today. I'm not
there's a loophole there that when you don't have enough
quarterbacks you get through practice, you can do this. And
it was him and Aiden Ballen, son of former Vikings
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quarterback Todd Ballon, so come on, basically they needed those
two to get through it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, it's makes me feel yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah. In terms of Adrian Peterson Junior getting announcing a
University of Minnesota to day that that's another one that
for me, it starts to be like, Okay, I covered
your dad, this is uh, we're here now. But yeah,
it was those two And yes, you're correct, Cooper Rush
beat the Vikings in a Sunday night Halloween.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Attended. Yeah, yeah, I was there for that game. There
you go. It was not that that game. Yeah, it
was not not.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
An impressive outing for the Purple. I think they thought
they'd win because they was know Dak Prescott, Cooper Rush.
I think it was the first NFL start and that
team missed the playoffs and everybody got fired at the
end of the year. So there were a couple of
losses in that season that really kind of sealed the
fate for Mike Zimmering Company. That was certainly one of them,
with Cooper Rush at the helm for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Two things, Cooper Rush, the Gophers handled him, and I
think Central Michigan at one of the quick laying balls,
one of the three that I was at as a
sideline reporter. Secondly, you're right, Ben, Today, I had to
refresh Twitter a couple of times because I remember vividly
playing with Adrian Peterson Junior in man Cato. While Adrian
Peterson was being interviewed by Dan at training kid, like
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throwing a ball to him to try to keep him
busy when he's like three years old. Like wow, okay, yeah,
so I might interview him maybe if PJ can landa
absolutely he might be the new guy that made me
feel Is he a running back?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I don't even know what position he plays? Yeah, athlete, yeah,
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Sure he is.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
But I remember like doing a little high five. So
I'm just trying to literally keep him busy for ten
to fifteen minutes so we could have his dad on
it training.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It's too good.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, I remember him being like a little kid there too,
where like a picture of Adrian picking him up. And yeah,
I mean because I suppose my first year on the Beat,
if the kid now is like seventeen, he would have
been a toddler two or three years old, probably preschool
or type when I would have started on the Beat.
But yeah, this is gonna be fifteen for me coming out,
So I guess it all makes sense timing wise, but
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it's also just kind of shocking because like, yeah, it
really has been that long.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
All right, So the head coach spoke today, give me
a sense of what he got into because and I
assume he was asked about the Juwan Jennings signing.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
He was yes. He talked about Jennings being a target
of THEIRS for a lot of the offseason, and praise
the job that Rob Razinski and company did to get
it done. I mean they wanted to add receiver death.
They talked about the possibility of doing it in the draft,
and I think once things didn't shake out the way
that they felt like they would in terms of taking
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a guy where they were picking to find a receiver
that would have been at the top of the board there,
they were looking at guys like this that once you
get past the draft, it no longer counts against the
compensatory tick formulas. So he came in for a visit
last week. He's obviously a guy that comes from a
similar offensive style to what they play, and probably even
more of what they want to move toward this year.
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I mean, one of the things that they like about
him is his ability as a run blocker. I mean,
he's a guy that he's six y three and plays
with quite a bit of aggression and probably as much
as any receiver in the NFL in that fast of
the things which you of course have to do for
the forty nine ers, and I think they liked the
idea of him bringing that to the offense and can
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play in a lot of different spots in their offense.
So it's one of those that O'Connell said, this is
the guy we wanted to bring in.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
He had a.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Unique aspect to the room. He's different than Jefferson, he's
different than Addison, and I think they wanted somebody with
a little bit of that grit in the run game.
They wanted somebody that probably can handle a little more
contact or the middle, I mean all of those different things.
They just didn't have a receiver like this. They haven't
had the kind of the physical type in this way
(28:50):
in a while, so this was something they I think
was pretty high still in the shopping list. I would
imagine it was this in the center, and you know,
you try to add probably a couple other places, but
this was definitely a target for them to get done.
And I believe it's up to thirteen million for the
one year, and they've got the money now off at
the Grenard thing, and they'll get a little more on
Jonathan Allen on June first, so they have the money
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to do it, and they bring in some depth of
that position.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
You know, I talked earlier in the show, I don't
believe it's quite as you know, franchise transforming, as some
fans have suggested to me. But to raise an important
point I probably didn't consider enough. There is something up
to the concept of adding a different kind of receiver,
and if it's another indication that this time around they're
(29:39):
serious about, you know, concentrating more on giving themselves the
best chance to have a good running game. And he's
a receiver who'll block a little bit, doesn't mind getting
his uniform dirty. In that regard, that can be a
good thing. And with all due respect to Adam Feelin
regular on this show, unbelievable career, I think it's fair
(30:00):
to say as a number three receiver at this point,
Jennings gives you more of a threat, more versatility, and
a little more jews probably than Feeling did. Correct.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, that's very true. I mean you have a guy
that he's not a burner. I think he was coming
out of college as like a four to seven in
the forty so it's not that. But they've talked about
this that we want to be a team that can
win different types of fights. I think that was the
line last year. And what that means, I mean, the
shorthand for that is we want to be able to
(30:34):
be more physical. I mean when Kevin O'Connell says play
style every time, he says that, that is shorthand for
we want to be able to punch you in the
mouth at some times to do that, and they needed
to get bigger on the offensive line. They've done a
lot of that. I think that's been a lot of
the focus over the last couple of years about the
linemen they've added. And then you know, it's why the
investment has been made in Josh Oliver. I think it's
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Jordan Mason, all of these types of players. You know,
even drafted Brettison to replace the CJ. Hamroll to a
degree as part of that. But they have not had
receivers to do that. And if you go all the
way back to the Rams and the forty nine ers
do a lot of this too, but the Rams, with
those offenses that O'Connell and west Phill's had in Los Angeles,
the receivers play a really important role with blockers because
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they'd like to be able to do is play the
receivers in tight splits and you don't know if they're
throwing out of those things or if they're running out
of them. And the guy that everybody talks about in
West Phillips I think still holds in the highest the
team as a run blocker, as Cooper Cup, and they
have not had a player that can kind of recreate
(31:41):
that piece of the offense quite to the degree that
maybe they've wanted, and I think Jennings gives them some
of that where you'll probably see him playing in a
lot of tight splits. He can either run crossing routes
out of those things, or look like he's going to block,
or start to block and then run a league concepts
out of that. I mean, I think you're going to
see some of those facets of their offense that they
(32:03):
feel like they can execute a little more effectively. When
you have a guy like this that can really do
either thing pretty well and can force you to think
that one thing is coming and then play off of
that as a counter.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, all I can say is a first day of
training camp later this summer, the head coach can thank me,
you know, because I've only been on this particular aspect
of this team more than just how often you run,
but the style of approach, because I'm a Niners guy man,
and that is that embodies everything I think they do.
(32:35):
They certainly don't have a head coach. Is a three
afraid to throw? They like to throw, but I think
they fully understand it's still a violent game. It's a
physical game, and that's part of what you're going to
have to bring to it. And he does I think
embody a little bit more of that approach. So to
that extent, maybe it is potentially a bigger move than
(32:55):
I suggested earlier in the broadcast. Is it is it
possible that in the end it's going to be the
way the Wills have spoken when they've spoken about what
they want from the new GM. Is it possible? This
is I don't want to say a charade exactly, but
is it possible? This is setting up almost certainly as
(33:19):
being a job that ultimately is going to go to
Rob Brazinski, because it almost sounds like they're saying, we
really don't want anybody to be to take over or
be in charge. Got we like what we are in
a lot of areas, we just want somebody will fit
in do his job, his part of the job too,
and if you want to be part of that adventure,
well then we'll talk to you and we'll see. And
(33:40):
I just don't to me, that's going to play easier
with a guy who's already been a company man forever
then a guy who may say, well, if I'm going
to be a general manager, I want to be a
general manager. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think if you hire somebody from outside,
I mean, in Terrence Gray may be the exception because
of his history, and then it's but if you hire
somebody from the outside, invariably, they're probably going to want
to bring in some of their own people and have
kind of lieutenants around them that they know when they trust.
And that's you know, that's what anybody would want. And
(34:15):
I think the last time, I mean, obviously quasy a
doolpla Mensa did not come from that world, so didn't
come in with this big network of here are the
people I want to bring in. But I think part
of what they thought about last time is we want
to keep this scouting apparatus largely in place. And you know,
we can argue about whether that should happen or not
but that was certainly the directive last time, and I
(34:35):
think there's at least you know, you hear some of
the rhetorics saying, hey, we'd like a lot of what
we have and we need to fit in, kind of
like you're saying, So if you go and hire somebody
that wants to reframe everything, that's going to play differently
with the rest of the group than it would with Roberzenski.
And I do think, I mean, Kevin O'Connell went out
(34:55):
of the way to compliment rob Berzinski for getting the
Juwan Jennings signing gun again today, I think there's a
lot of people in that building that feel like this
has worked well. This offseason has been shrewd financially, They've
addressed some things that they wanted to do. They figured
out the quarterback thing without spending a ton of money.
You know, you've been able to add to the defense
(35:18):
in the draft, and then you make the Jonathan Grinard
trade and are able to clear some space there and
get another pick, and you get one next year. I
think there's a lot of people that feel like this
has worked relatively smoothly through the course of this and
we'll see over the course of next year how effective
both moves actually were. But yeah, I do think it's
(35:38):
one of the things where if you bring somebody in
that has to work with the pieces that are here,
because this is not a blank slate. This is not
hypothetical GM and hypothetical coach. It's hypothetical GM with coach
who is here, coach who is under a long term contract,
defensive coordinator who has a new contract, and I think
wants to have a voice in things, and so all
(35:59):
of this matt together is not just being done in
a vacuum. And I think it's possible that a lot
of these discussions are you know, maybe you do something
where Roberzinsky is a president of football operations and you
hire a general manager that's more of the scouting background,
a little bit kind of like what the Twins have done.
That would be a little more non traditional than what
the Wilfs have talked about. But maybe you go with
(36:21):
something like that. I just think it would be it
would be a little surprising to me if Robertszinsky comes
out of this just saying I'm going to go back
to my normal title. I'm gonna go back to my
normal job and nothing additional is granted him in this process.
I think at the very least you'll probably see some
type of a I would not be surprised to say
(36:42):
that there's some type of an elevation or a change
in title coming from him out of this process. So
it would be hard for me to imagine he's just Okay,
go back to your your spreadsheets with the cap and
that's that.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
So we got Mini camp this weekend, correct, yep? And
then so what do we have? So what's what's Monday?
And we have other others coming in as well. Which
where are we at in the process of off season workouts?
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, the the off season workouts. We'll start back up
with the veterans on Monday, and that is the point
at which the rookies can start to work out with
the veterans as well. And then you get OTAs a
little bit later this month. That I think they are
doing three of their four weeks of OTAs before Mini camp,
and then one more week after that, if I'm from
(37:32):
remembering all that correctly. That the mini camp is I
think the second week of June, and then there's one
more week of OTAs, which is kind of understood for
the veterans to be truly optional. You know that that
you see a lot of the older players probably get
excuse for the summer, but yeah, that's kind of where
we're at in the process. Now it's workouts and then
OTAs a little bit later this month.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
McCarthy, So, will the all the will the veteran quarterbacks
be be there Monday?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
They should be.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah, I mean I think everybody's there here working out.
It's just now that you have done the rookie mini
camp and some of the the introduction stuff, the introductory phases,
the things classes for the rookie saying hey, this is
how this works, here's how you get in here for
your locker with all of the kind of orientation stuff.
Now they will get to work and you basically have
(38:20):
your full team from this point on through the rest
of the off season.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Is will this be potentially the first chance you guys
have had to talk to with McCarthy. He really hasn't spoken,
has he to the group? No? Yeah, we have not.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Heard from him really since the end of the season.
I mean he hasn't made any comments about anything that's
happened as far as Kyler Murray coming in. So no,
we have not heard from him, and I don't know
how quickly that will happen. I imagine they've tried to
keep things a little quiet around him for a reason.
But yeah, we have not really gotten a sense of
(38:59):
what he thinks. You know, what you hear behind the
scenes from people talking to him is he's embraced it
and done a lot of the right things. And I
think that's what you know players have said too.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
But yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Kind of account of things from him we have not
heard directly at this point.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
On my list of things I think he should jettison,
I would start with the EyeBlack. I think I just say,
come on, let's just don't let's not do the trappings
things yet and we're about nine and the let's just
let's just go out and you can show that you're
improving as a football player and you're figuring the whole
(39:35):
thing out instead of trying to act the part of football.
But just go out and be a quarterback. And you
know what, the bar's low right right now. So if
he shows signs of improvement, it will be well received,
There's no question about that, because we know he's got
some talent. So I don't know, I doubt that he
cares what I would suggest. He's probably got people he's
gonna pay more attention to me. But that's just me.
(39:56):
That's just a bias I have for whatever that's worth.
On the list of outsiders under consideration, I think they're
all assistant gms. I think he named one of them.
Any of the any other that list intrigue you more?
Is there a backstory that says, oh, this might be
a little bit, you know, more interesting than the others.
(40:17):
Anything come to mind that struck you regarding that list?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, I mean, Dave Ziggler has a history with the Patriots.
I mean he's done with the Titans, but he has
a history with the Patriots for a long time as
an executive during a lot of the Bill Belichick years.
So it has connections with Brian Flores from that time.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Exactly if he would have crossed paths with Kevin O'Connell
during his brief stay as the player and newing them.
That might be a little further back than Biggler would
have gone. But that one is interesting just because of
the Flora's connection. And then John McKay, I think is
an interesting one. Obviously has had connections with O'Connell from LA.
But the the other thing that's interesting there is he's
(41:01):
the son of Richard McKay, that the Launcheon Dawkins executive
who is the head of a competition committee. Kevin O'Connell
is now in the competition committee, So you start to
connect dots of who knows whom. There's some of those
things that I just I find to be a little
bit interesting and just trying to figure out where influence
may come into these things. And O'Connell today said I'm
(41:23):
going to be as involved in whatever role they have
for me in terms of the WILTS, and he specifically
mentioned Andrew Miller, the chief operating officer. I think three
times he brought up Andrew Miller's role in this process.
So I think the degree to which coaches will have
a voice in this and their connections will direct it
(41:44):
is it kind of remains to be seen. But it's
also worth noting that when these coaches are here, with
the amount of status that they have, I think those
connections are worth keeping in mind as they go through
this process.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Have a wonderful weekend and we will chat next week.
Thank you, all right, sound good. Thanks Dan Ben Gesslink
covers the vikings for The Star Tribune. Joins us, of course,
each and every week now pretty much year round, with
very very few exceptions, sort of the way that the
job has evolved. Therefore his role I think has evolved
(42:18):
on this show too. Lavelle E Neal the third is
with us, you know, pretty much every week all year,
barring some vacations and a couple other things that come up.
He is scheduled for a five thirty visit. Top five
at five is right around the corner with GUARDSI and
I'm assuming it will include an update on the status
(42:41):
of Io Desumu.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Maybe it will include an update from the head coach
on juwel Ericsson Eck for tomorrow's game.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
That's even better.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Slash playoffs TC will be turned. Whenbye gonna get burnt Castle,
get ready to get learnt Wolves and five. See how
people make it their own. They find the real quote
(00:40):
from Anthony Edwards and they make it their own. It's
a beautiful thing. It's very creative, extremely creative. The way
you think about it. Do you have the rocco sound?
On the occasion, the rare occasion of the Minnesota Twins
struggling as a major league baseball entity, we know it's
(01:00):
not good baseball. Derek Shelton. After last after Yesterday's day debacle,
rubber game of the series, I think that was in Washington.
It was in which the bullpen imploded again. There were
a series of base running blunders. There were the usual
offensive mistakes as well, and some defensive errors. Derek Shelton.
(01:27):
We just did not play a good baseball game. It
seems as if that's going to be the tradition. No
matter who the manager is, it'll be some form of
Rocko saying, we know it's not good baseball. Yesterday afternoon
it was we just did not play a good baseball game,
very literal approach. And that's about as much twins as
(01:49):
I have in me. Walks are surging in baseball, reaching
levels hardly seen in the past seven decades. Wall Street
Journal story. Let me give you some more nuggets on
it that I was referring to earlier without having all
(02:10):
of the details in my brain. The ABS strike zone
is in fact smaller, particularly at the top, than what
the strike zone has been MLB determined so you can
keep up with this, that the upper limit of the
new strike zone would be fifty three point five percent
(02:32):
of the batter's height. I'm out already. How they decided that,
I guess, as I don't know. I'm out already. ABS
also call strikes based on where the ball you're ready
for it crosses the midpoint of the plate, rather than
the three dimensional box described in the rule book, which
to me raises more questions about why. I'm assuming there
(02:54):
was a technological reason that they felt they had to
do it this way. Some pictures believe theyreies abs have
also impacted them on the edges of the plate, even
though officially the strike zone in those areas hasn't shifted.
So it's also worth noting that when batters have challenged
the call, they've been correct forty six percent of the time.
(03:18):
When catchers challenge on behalf of their pictures, which they
have done already more than one than one hundred times,
they've gotten the call overturned sixty percent of the time.
That's a net gain of more than two hundred strikes.
(03:38):
And yet pictures are still walking batters more than they
have in years. So the pictures are feeling like they're
getting job by the robot MP, and they might be
right on this. So I don't know. I don't understand
the technology at all. I was going to say, first
say enough, No, it's better to say at all. I
have absolutely right idea, But what does that mean? Call
(04:04):
strikes on the where the ball crosses the midpoint of
the plate rather than the three dimensional box described in
the rule book. It's way too complicated for me. I
got no chance.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
I didn't even know about the three dimensional box, did you.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
No? Sounds like a case for Aaron Gleman sometime in
the next few weeks. Yeah, we're due to have him back.
There's no question about that. By the way, the word
we didn't I don't think ever at least touch on it.
That Joe Ryan update is encouraging, right, it's it's not
a catastrophic injury in his case. Correct, nothing bad, although
somebody else another picture just had another setback. Which who
(04:40):
was the other starter that's been battling. Is it Festa?
I thought we got another setback on him. Maybe it
was somebody else. Hard to say, does it matter, I'm
not sure? Six one two guy rights. Of course, you
aren't excited about the Vikings moved Dan. You never get
exciting you you only ever get excited about the Vikings downfall.
(05:00):
You should change your name to Danny Downer. That's original.
We don't change it to that. It's been that for
a couple of decades. That's pretty much Polly Dan. And
then you got a root for that too. We break
it out every one. Not at all, not at all
a seismic move, writs flim Flamm. But I really really
really like the Jay Jennings signing. If Koc runs the
ball on second and two, what are the chances we
(05:23):
would ever run the ball on second and two. We
don't like running the ball on second and two. R
two is a perfect throwing down. Second two is a
good throwing down. Yeah, that's true. But it's not illegal
to go ahead and get the first down out of
the run.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But in all honesty, you could probably because it's second
and two, they probably think you're gonna throw you can
probably get more.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, if you run the ball well, depending on who.
I'm still a little concerned about our our running back situation.
What we got is it. Jennings is his last name,
the new He's got good numbers. I think he had.
I think he had injuries this last year. His numbers
came down from the year before. But here did have
(06:01):
fifty five catches. I thought I read that. I think
fifty five was this past year, but he had more.
I think he was in the seventies or eighties the
year before that, because I think he missed a decent
number of games last season. But you can double check that.
I just I mean again, you know, because everybody's we're
all raving about how well we got him at a
(06:22):
bargain price, and we were patient every move we make
is is the is the best move that's ever been made.
I can't believe we don't have more Super Bowl rings.
But anyway, is it possible that they're just does that
maybe tell you there wasn't as much demand for him
as he's He's a nice he's a nice third receiver. Absolutely,
(06:44):
talent's good. I'll never gonna frown on talent. I just
don't think. I don't. Maybe it's desperation, maybe it's boredom,
but people are making it sound like this is the
gonna be the steal of the century. He only missed
two games. Oh last it was only two Okay in
the regular season? Okay, what was it? Where're his numbers? Didn't?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Didn't his receptions fall from from seventy seven to fifty five. Yeah,
last year he had nine touchdowns compared to six nine.
It's not bad. That's not a bad number. In the playoffs,
he had two catches. No, he had three catches on
eight targets in their two games. No tuddies.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
At what point does kg's absence become personal? Are we
sure he likes it here? Yeah? I wouldn't take it
personally at this point. I think it's it's it's fair
to say. Well, in fact, I heard Johnny was on
the show I was supposed to be a part of.
But I've been supplanted because I didn't show up the
(07:45):
one time that Franco Solo wanted me on. Oh really yeah,
I'll never get that back now. And they, I think
somebody one of them asked about whether Garnett was going
to be there and I and I and Johnny said
he didn't know, but he said the most important thing,
which is KG is going to be where he wants
to be whenever he wants to be there. No one's
(08:06):
going to tell KG where to go right when to go,
and you just have to accept that, right, that's just
the reality of KG. I don't think that means he's
bored with us. I think it's just the way the
way it works. That's that's his personality, that's his nature.
It is interesting to note again this is where he's
he is back in my day guy and very much
(08:28):
a throwback guy. He does that podcast with Paul Pierce.
In fact, let's break and well, I'll give you a
couple of interesting nuggets from that. I want to get
to some texts on some other subjects. I want to
hear from the hockey community. How down on your club
are you? How hopeful are you that the team can
turn it in another must win situation. I think this
(08:50):
will be our second must win situation, right we had
we had to win Game four against Dallas. I think
we have to win Game three here against Colorado to
at least, you know, keep the door open a bit,
to give ourselves a chance to get back in this thing.
Let me know, brash On Brian inbox six four six
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about this nugget utterly from the definitely from the non
secuitar department. There's absolutely no reason to at this particular
(09:55):
time expect this particular discussion, but it just came to
my attention and it fascinates me and if it fascinates me,
I'm hoping it'll fascinate the listeners. Will the youngsters be
bored with it depends on how many of them have
ever heard of an historic concert called Woodstock. Okay, pretty
(10:18):
iconic moment. I think you would agree so much. So
they tried to recreate it. Yeah, it didn't go as
well the second time. One documentary though, to look back
on this is via our buddy, one of the best
music writers in the country, Alan Paul and I don't
know how he got it, but he got it. The
artist booking fees list for Woodstock summer of nineteen sixty nine.
(10:42):
I love it. This is really good. Well, it also
tells you something about inflation. But so let's start at
the bottom and work our way up. Let's do it
that way. We'll count, you know. It's sort of like
we're counting down to who of the artist received the
most money, biggest booking fee. I need to participate in Woodstock.
(11:06):
I want to see who's there again. I got to
be reminded of that. Okay, yeah, you'll recognize several of them.
Oh yeah, in twenty sixth place. I may not read
them all because there's twenty six of them. Here a
group called Quill received six hundred bucks. That was their
booking fee. I don't remember Quill. I do remember the
(11:28):
Incredible String Band. They're twenty fourth. They got a grand
they got at one thousand. Richie Havens twelve hundred bucks,
the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, they were very well known.
Eighteen hundred dollars. The Quicksilver Messenger Service three thousand ducks bucks.
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Robbie Shankar is ranked sixteenth. He got four grand. Arlow
Guthrie comes in at thirteenth. Five thousand, five hundred bucks,
ten years after seven five hundred bucks, and you want
this is easily the biggest bargain looking back, now this
(12:13):
has to be the bargain of the entire Woodstock experience.
Congratulations to the promoters who pull this off. In eleventh place,
sly In the Family Stone received all of eight thousand
dollars to appear at Woodstock. Now, I'm sure they would say, well,
(12:33):
it opened some doors in a way, that it was fine, right,
But that's that's highway robbery. Eight thousand dollars at number eleven,
Top ten Country Joe and the Fish at ten Brian
Oaks's favorite band The Grateful Dead ninth at seven thousand dollars.
(12:54):
Santana nine five hundred bucks. Brilliant performance by Karl Jefferson
Airplane seventh nine thousand. Janis Choplin got eleven thousand, The
Who fourteen grand in fourth place, and I think this
was the first time they'd appeared in public. I think
(13:16):
maybe I'm wrong. Crosby Stills in nash at least at
a big event twelve five three, third place, Joan Baez tenth,
who was just in town. I think for the one
of the No Kings rallies at the state Capitol ten thousand,
runner up, second place, second most amount of money, second
(13:37):
biggest booking feet Woodstock Summer of sixty nine, Blood, Sweat
and Tears fifteen thousand dollars and first place. And this
probably won't surprise anyone because it's sort of considered the
headline experience, no pun intended, the Jimmy Hendrix experience. Yeah,
(13:59):
eighteen dollars. They're all by themselves in first place, and
he shut it down. That was the That's true according
to Wikipedia, this guy eighteen grand. So what's eighteen do
the don't I'm asking you to do the math? Just
ask the computer, ask AI or whatever it's called, what's
(14:21):
what would eighteen thousand dollars in nineteen sixty nine equate
to in twenty twenty six, in twenty twenty six money
to at least give us a ballpark figure? Does it say?
Do you get anything? You get any kind of answer
to that?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, I'm saying yes, anywhere from one hundred and sixty
one to one hundred and sixty five thousand.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
That sounds like a good chunk of change.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Also a bit of a bargain, though, because I'm thinking
to some of his biggest hendricks.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Now that's true.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Look, there's some bands that can get a million, there's
some bands that can get more for just a show
for a festival.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I don't know. I don't know how the festival business works.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Do you remember? Do you recall how much tickets cost
for Woodstock four dollars pretty close six dollars a day, basically.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Six a day.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
It's a bargain eighteen if you bought an advance for
all three days twenty four at the gate, I see.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Restrooms, fifty to fifty chances you get to one. I think,
although I didn't need it, it was just gonna say
you're in nature, go wherever you need to correct.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That's pretty cool. Rosenbaum was there, right, I thought rosen
was there. Well, I know Sauce's dad was. Yeah, that's right.
We've had him on to talk about Rosen wasn't there.
I don't think so. I swear Rosenbomb was there, but
maybe I'm just thinking about the Beatles.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I think you're thinking about the Beatles, you know, I
don't remember. I don't think. I don't remember him saying that,
But it's possible. I guess. I feel like somebody we
know did go beyond Sauce's dad, right, I thought there
was somebody else, But think it ain't out there. It
seems like I think it ain't. Anything's possible. Well, she
could text because she might know on Rosenbaumb. Yeah, you're right,
she's a historian on all this stuff, so it's very
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very possible. I don't know. Against Ben Gessling coming up
in just a few minutes. I love that you could
just buy tickets at the record stores in the New
York area. You love that that's how you got Well,
it's just yeah, kids don't even know, Like I remember
having to go was it Dayton's you could go to
like the ticket Master outlet at like Dayton's at Southdal.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah. Back in the day, you don't buy tickets. This
is when I was a kid, thirty five forty years ago.
So if you want to followly to go see Counting
Crows at Northrop, I could just go over to Southdale.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah and a couple Okay, I think there was just
something called ticket tron even before ticket Master, the same
kind of thing where you get tickets anywhere for various concerts.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That's uh, one time you got to sit in a queue,
you gotta hope you get one of the chosen ones,
and then you pay five million dollars to go to
these contents.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, that's what's gonna get to because originally for enough
set I think Lori Fisher had is it? Is it
blue dot? Does EA know what? Are they calling it?
Blue dot fever, blue dot disease? Yeah, And that's supposedly
not enough tickets are being purchased for, you know, various concerts,
and so then the people who are supposed to perform, say,
were canceling, yes in effect, and that yes, more of
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that is happening. Apparently that is that strictly priced are
prices out of control, even by today's standards. I think
they are, Yes, I think they are. I think.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
And what's frustrating is the ticket Master CEO within the
last year or so, was on some panel and basically
said he felt like tickets for concerts had been underpriced
for years, and he compared it to sports and said,
for somebody to sit courtside, they want to pay, you know,
thousands of dollars to go to a Knicks game, But
when Beyonce performs, you shouldn't have to pay that. And
(17:42):
I think I do think there's some of the market
that is rebelling against that, because there have been a
lot of concerts canceled recently. And I'm a guy like
Sauce to bring him up again. He always checks it too,
because tickets seem like they're insanely priced for some of
these shows, especially in big venues.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And then they and there's a few people that can
obviously charge whatever they want and people are gonna pay right.
Morgan Wall and Taylor Swift like, you can go down
the list, but for your kind of runn of the
middle star concert, I think the prices have gone crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Six seven on one guy wants to know if it
was it's possible that sauce was conceived at Woodstock. I
don't think the timing works, but it's a good line. Nevertheless,
we have wondered, Yeah, from time to time that's come up.
What a sham list? Where are the archies on this list?
(18:32):
That's from a vidgie guy to the archies perform at
the UH. I don't I think that might be a
good joke. There's a phenomenal book center around Woodstock called
small Town Talk. That's also from another seven to one guy.
We've got a couple of people listing via the seven
on one. Apparently we are. It's good to hear. I'm
saving the hot the answers to my hockey question. I
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got a bunch. I promise you I will get to them, probably,
I'm guess sing after the top five at five bottom
of the hour. Pause will be followed up with our
usual Friday visit with Ben Gestling. We'll talk about what
he thinks regarding the Jennings signing rookie Mini camp and
I think the head coach spoke today. If I'm not mistaken,
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and by the way, you see one of the older
we have one old name at rookie Mini Caamp, a
quarterback who once upon a time in a substitute role,
beat the Minnesota Vikings at the People Stadium. Did you
see him on the list? No, I didn't. We'll get
to that as well as we continue, get to the
bottom of the break, and then continue with mister Gessling Lavelle.
At five thirty, Andy Luder checks in. My older sister's
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friends bought Woodstock tickets at our local record store in
New Jersey, but a few got stuck on the New
York Thruway and never quite made it. You heard a
lot of that. A lot it has to be, and
some it's true, and some of it might be. I
want people to think I went because it became so historic,
but it wouldn't be all that surprising given the number
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of people, yeah, who attended or attempted to attack.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I feel like Saua's dad just left their car somewhere, Yeah,
abandon it, went up to the show.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Did they get it back on the other side? Was
it called? I'm not sure. I assume so they got
home eventually somehow. But the whole line of thinking then
was just take my car, man. You know, we'd all
come from the same of me. But I don't need
you know, it's fine. Your car's my car. You know
your sue causes meks, you know the whole bit. Ben
Gesling a little too young for Woodstock. I think he
joined us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline. I mentioned
(20:52):
earlier Guestling that as far as I'm concerned, let me
see I can find the number again. On a second,
we were reading out the Woodstock artist booking fees, and
I still look at slying the family Stone only making
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eight thousand dollars and thinking that's a hell of a
bargain what they ended up becoming. That was only that
was like eleventh highest eight thousand bucks. Seems like a
heck of a bargain for the promoters, is what I
guess what I'm trying to say. So and at the
top of the list, Yeah, I'm sure you'll appreciate this,
even though he's well before your time. Jimmy Hendrix commanded
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the largest booking fee of eighteen thousand bucks. Joan Bayez
was number three. Joan Bayez, the you know, the the
Country Country the Folks singer who was just here for
the No Kings rally in Saint Paul not that many
weeks ago. So it goes on and.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
On Hendrick as a guitar player. Hendrix skidding the largest
booking free to me is how it should be. I mean,
that's obviously a number of incredible artists on the list
of different genres, but Hendricks at the top of the list,
and he gave the folks their money's were at that
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particular question festival with the iconic nationaland to performance at Sunrise.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I believe well stated good, good, good recall well not
recall there good research there, I'm sure, because I think
you were a little too young for Woodstock, weren't you?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I was, Yes, My parents thought they were like eleven
during I would Stock ninety four, Like where the twenty
fifth thing? I suppose I was like eleven for that?
And the one the one where like Olympus get ruined everything.
I suppose I was a high school but I was
not present for any of these in person.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
What was the one? What was the concert slash get
away that has been turned into documentaries because of what
a disaster it was? Yeah, Firefester were there any it
was like who was supposed to be the headliner there?
Do we remember? Well? I mean like joh Rule was
like a partner in it. Okay, but wasn't it supposed
to be a series of concerts tour? Was it just
(23:07):
like it a week? Yeah, it was a festival in
the Caribbean Islands and it was just that. The documentaries
that have been done on that or legendary, two of
them Hulu and Netflix. They are both phenomenal. They are
both phenomenal, There's no question.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And you should watch the ninety nine Woodstock, like Guessling mentioned,
because we were both in high school the same time,
and like how that went pear shaped and just and
then limb biscuit like set it on fire literally is
fascinating to watch, like all these things like what could
have what did you think was going to happen? Like
to do all like they were just asking for so
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much trouble and they got.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
All of it, pretty much every bit of it. It's
pretty funny. Yeah, I'll definitely try to check that out.
Uh nive two guy rights? Is this true? Candice be true?
Norm Coleman was a roadie for ten years after at Woodstock.
Has that been established in the past and I didn't
just know it to my knowledge, I don't know you
interviewed him before, You're going to have a long times
(24:01):
we've had him on. Yeah, maybe we should have him
on again, that's for sure. Okay, let's talk football and
not so much music here and and find out we have.
I think the opening of Vikings Rookie Mini Camp, I
teased to guards the earlier that at least one of
the participants is not young and is not a rookie.
(24:22):
He's a quarterback who I think hasn't he beaten us
in a a reserve starting role at the People Stadium?
Yes he has.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
You are, in fact referring to a thirty two year
old Cooper Rush who got a veteran invite to the
Vikings one day only rookie mini camp today. I'm not
there's a loophole there that when you don't have enough
quarterbacks you get through practice, you can do this. And
it was him and Aiden Ballen, son of former Vikings
(24:54):
quarterback Todd Ballon, so come on, basically they needed those
two to get through it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, it's makes me feel yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah. In terms of Adrian Peterson Junior getting announcing a
University of Minnesota to day that that's another one that
for me, it starts to be like, Okay, I covered
your dad, this is uh, we're here now. But yeah,
it was those two And yes, you're correct, Cooper Rush
beat the Vikings in a Sunday night Halloween.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Attended. Yeah, yeah, I was there for that game. There
you go. It was not that that game. Yeah, it
was not not.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
An impressive outing for the Purple. I think they thought
they'd win because they was know Dak Prescott, Cooper Rush.
I think it was the first NFL start and that
team missed the playoffs and everybody got fired at the
end of the year. So there were a couple of
losses in that season that really kind of sealed the
fate for Mike Zimmering Company. That was certainly one of them,
with Cooper Rush at the helm for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Two things, Cooper Rush, the Gophers handled him, and I
think Central Michigan at one of the quick laying balls,
one of the three that I was at as a
sideline reporter. Secondly, you're right, Ben, Today, I had to
refresh Twitter a couple of times because I remember vividly
playing with Adrian Peterson Junior in man Cato. While Adrian
Peterson was being interviewed by Dan at training kid, like
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throwing a ball to him to try to keep him
busy when he's like three years old. Like wow, okay, yeah,
so I might interview him maybe if PJ can landa
absolutely he might be the new guy that made me
feel Is he a running back?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I don't even know what position he plays? Yeah, athlete, yeah,
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Sure he is.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
But I remember like doing a little high five. So
I'm just trying to literally keep him busy for ten
to fifteen minutes so we could have his dad on
it training.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It's too good.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, I remember him being like a little kid there too,
where like a picture of Adrian picking him up. And yeah,
I mean because I suppose my first year on the Beat,
if the kid now is like seventeen, he would have
been a toddler two or three years old, probably preschool
or type when I would have started on the Beat.
But yeah, this is gonna be fifteen for me coming out,
So I guess it all makes sense timing wise, but
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it's also just kind of shocking because like, yeah, it
really has been that long.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
All right, So the head coach spoke today, give me
a sense of what he got into because and I
assume he was asked about the Juwan Jennings signing.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
He was yes. He talked about Jennings being a target
of THEIRS for a lot of the offseason, and praise
the job that Rob Razinski and company did to get
it done. I mean they wanted to add receiver death.
They talked about the possibility of doing it in the draft,
and I think once things didn't shake out the way
that they felt like they would in terms of taking
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a guy where they were picking to find a receiver
that would have been at the top of the board there,
they were looking at guys like this that once you
get past the draft, it no longer counts against the
compensatory tick formulas. So he came in for a visit
last week. He's obviously a guy that comes from a
similar offensive style to what they play, and probably even
more of what they want to move toward this year.
(28:00):
I mean, one of the things that they like about
him is his ability as a run blocker. I mean,
he's a guy that he's six y three and plays
with quite a bit of aggression and probably as much
as any receiver in the NFL in that fast of
the things which you of course have to do for
the forty nine ers, and I think they liked the
idea of him bringing that to the offense and can
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play in a lot of different spots in their offense.
So it's one of those that O'Connell said, this is
the guy we wanted to bring in.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
He had a.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Unique aspect to the room. He's different than Jefferson, he's
different than Addison, and I think they wanted somebody with
a little bit of that grit in the run game.
They wanted somebody that probably can handle a little more
contact or the middle, I mean all of those different things.
They just didn't have a receiver like this. They haven't
had the kind of the physical type in this way
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in a while, so this was something they I think
was pretty high still in the shopping list. I would
imagine it was this in the center, and you know,
you try to add probably a couple other places, but
this was definitely a target for them to get done.
And I believe it's up to thirteen million for the
one year, and they've got the money now off at
the Grenard thing, and they'll get a little more on
Jonathan Allen on June first, so they have the money
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to do it, and they bring in some depth of
that position.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
You know, I talked earlier in the show, I don't
believe it's quite as you know, franchise transforming, as some
fans have suggested to me. But to raise an important
point I probably didn't consider enough. There is something up
to the concept of adding a different kind of receiver,
and if it's another indication that this time around they're
(29:39):
serious about, you know, concentrating more on giving themselves the
best chance to have a good running game. And he's
a receiver who'll block a little bit, doesn't mind getting
his uniform dirty. In that regard, that can be a
good thing. And with all due respect to Adam Feelin
regular on this show, unbelievable career, I think it's fair
(30:00):
to say as a number three receiver at this point,
Jennings gives you more of a threat, more versatility, and
a little more jews probably than Feeling did. Correct.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, that's very true. I mean you have a guy
that he's not a burner. I think he was coming
out of college as like a four to seven in
the forty so it's not that. But they've talked about
this that we want to be a team that can
win different types of fights. I think that was the
line last year. And what that means, I mean, the
shorthand for that is we want to be able to
(30:34):
be more physical. I mean when Kevin O'Connell says play
style every time, he says that, that is shorthand for
we want to be able to punch you in the
mouth at some times to do that, and they needed
to get bigger on the offensive line. They've done a
lot of that. I think that's been a lot of
the focus over the last couple of years about the
linemen they've added. And then you know, it's why the
investment has been made in Josh Oliver. I think it's
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Jordan Mason, all of these types of players. You know,
even drafted Brettison to replace the CJ. Hamroll to a
degree as part of that. But they have not had
receivers to do that. And if you go all the
way back to the Rams and the forty nine ers
do a lot of this too, but the Rams, with
those offenses that O'Connell and west Phill's had in Los Angeles,
the receivers play a really important role with blockers because
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they'd like to be able to do is play the
receivers in tight splits and you don't know if they're
throwing out of those things or if they're running out
of them. And the guy that everybody talks about in
West Phillips I think still holds in the highest the
team as a run blocker, as Cooper Cup, and they
have not had a player that can kind of recreate
(31:41):
that piece of the offense quite to the degree that
maybe they've wanted, and I think Jennings gives them some
of that where you'll probably see him playing in a
lot of tight splits. He can either run crossing routes
out of those things, or look like he's going to block,
or start to block and then run a league concepts
out of that. I mean, I think you're going to
see some of those facets of their offense that they
(32:03):
feel like they can execute a little more effectively. When
you have a guy like this that can really do
either thing pretty well and can force you to think
that one thing is coming and then play off of
that as a counter.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, all I can say is a first day of
training camp later this summer, the head coach can thank me,
you know, because I've only been on this particular aspect
of this team more than just how often you run,
but the style of approach, because I'm a Niners guy man,
and that is that embodies everything I think they do.
(32:35):
They certainly don't have a head coach. Is a three
afraid to throw? They like to throw, but I think
they fully understand it's still a violent game. It's a
physical game, and that's part of what you're going to
have to bring to it. And he does I think
embody a little bit more of that approach. So to
that extent, maybe it is potentially a bigger move than
(32:55):
I suggested earlier in the broadcast. Is it is it
possible that in the end it's going to be the
way the Wills have spoken when they've spoken about what
they want from the new GM. Is it possible? This
is I don't want to say a charade exactly, but
is it possible? This is setting up almost certainly as
(33:19):
being a job that ultimately is going to go to
Rob Brazinski, because it almost sounds like they're saying, we
really don't want anybody to be to take over or
be in charge. Got we like what we are in
a lot of areas, we just want somebody will fit
in do his job, his part of the job too,
and if you want to be part of that adventure,
well then we'll talk to you and we'll see. And
(33:40):
I just don't to me, that's going to play easier
with a guy who's already been a company man forever
then a guy who may say, well, if I'm going
to be a general manager, I want to be a
general manager. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think if you hire somebody from outside,
I mean, in Terrence Gray may be the exception because
of his history, and then it's but if you hire
somebody from the outside, invariably, they're probably going to want
to bring in some of their own people and have
kind of lieutenants around them that they know when they trust.
And that's you know, that's what anybody would want. And
(34:15):
I think the last time, I mean, obviously quasy a
doolpla Mensa did not come from that world, so didn't
come in with this big network of here are the
people I want to bring in. But I think part
of what they thought about last time is we want
to keep this scouting apparatus largely in place. And you know,
we can argue about whether that should happen or not
but that was certainly the directive last time, and I
(34:35):
think there's at least you know, you hear some of
the rhetorics saying, hey, we'd like a lot of what
we have and we need to fit in, kind of
like you're saying, So if you go and hire somebody
that wants to reframe everything, that's going to play differently
with the rest of the group than it would with Roberzenski.
And I do think, I mean, Kevin O'Connell went out
(34:55):
of the way to compliment rob Berzinski for getting the
Juwan Jennings signing gun again today, I think there's a
lot of people in that building that feel like this
has worked well. This offseason has been shrewd financially, They've
addressed some things that they wanted to do. They figured
out the quarterback thing without spending a ton of money.
You know, you've been able to add to the defense
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in the draft, and then you make the Jonathan Grinard
trade and are able to clear some space there and
get another pick, and you get one next year. I
think there's a lot of people that feel like this
has worked relatively smoothly through the course of this and
we'll see over the course of next year how effective
both moves actually were. But yeah, I do think it's
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one of the things where if you bring somebody in
that has to work with the pieces that are here,
because this is not a blank slate. This is not
hypothetical GM and hypothetical coach. It's hypothetical GM with coach
who is here, coach who is under a long term contract,
defensive coordinator who has a new contract, and I think
wants to have a voice in things, and so all
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of this matt together is not just being done in
a vacuum. And I think it's possible that a lot
of these discussions are you know, maybe you do something
where Roberzinsky is a president of football operations and you
hire a general manager that's more of the scouting background,
a little bit kind of like what the Twins have done.
That would be a little more non traditional than what
the Wilfs have talked about. But maybe you go with
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something like that. I just think it would be it
would be a little surprising to me if Robertszinsky comes
out of this just saying I'm going to go back
to my normal title. I'm gonna go back to my
normal job and nothing additional is granted him in this process.
I think at the very least you'll probably see some
type of a I would not be surprised to say
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that there's some type of an elevation or a change
in title coming from him out of this process. So
it would be hard for me to imagine he's just Okay,
go back to your your spreadsheets with the cap and
that's that.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
So we got Mini camp this weekend, correct, yep? And
then so what do we have? So what's what's Monday?
And we have other others coming in as well. Which
where are we at in the process of off season workouts?
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, the the off season workouts. We'll start back up
with the veterans on Monday, and that is the point
at which the rookies can start to work out with
the veterans as well. And then you get OTAs a
little bit later this month. That I think they are
doing three of their four weeks of OTAs before Mini camp,
and then one more week after that, if I'm from
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remembering all that correctly. That the mini camp is I
think the second week of June, and then there's one
more week of OTAs, which is kind of understood for
the veterans to be truly optional. You know that that
you see a lot of the older players probably get
excuse for the summer, but yeah, that's kind of where
we're at in the process. Now it's workouts and then
OTAs a little bit later this month.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
McCarthy, So, will the all the will the veteran quarterbacks
be be there Monday?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
They should be.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah, I mean I think everybody's there here working out.
It's just now that you have done the rookie mini
camp and some of the the introduction stuff, the introductory phases,
the things classes for the rookie saying hey, this is
how this works, here's how you get in here for
your locker with all of the kind of orientation stuff.
Now they will get to work and you basically have
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your full team from this point on through the rest
of the off season.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Is will this be potentially the first chance you guys
have had to talk to with McCarthy. He really hasn't spoken,
has he to the group? No? Yeah, we have not.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Heard from him really since the end of the season.
I mean he hasn't made any comments about anything that's
happened as far as Kyler Murray coming in. So no,
we have not heard from him, and I don't know
how quickly that will happen. I imagine they've tried to
keep things a little quiet around him for a reason.
But yeah, we have not really gotten a sense of
(38:59):
what he thinks. You know, what you hear behind the
scenes from people talking to him is he's embraced it
and done a lot of the right things. And I
think that's what you know players have said too.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
But yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Kind of account of things from him we have not
heard directly at this point.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
On my list of things I think he should jettison,
I would start with the EyeBlack. I think I just say,
come on, let's just don't let's not do the trappings
things yet and we're about nine and the let's just
let's just go out and you can show that you're
improving as a football player and you're figuring the whole
(39:35):
thing out instead of trying to act the part of football.
But just go out and be a quarterback. And you
know what, the bar's low right right now. So if
he shows signs of improvement, it will be well received,
There's no question about that, because we know he's got
some talent. So I don't know, I doubt that he
cares what I would suggest. He's probably got people he's
gonna pay more attention to me. But that's just me.
(39:56):
That's just a bias I have for whatever that's worth.
On the list of outsiders under consideration, I think they're
all assistant gms. I think he named one of them.
Any of the any other that list intrigue you more?
Is there a backstory that says, oh, this might be
a little bit, you know, more interesting than the others.
(40:17):
Anything come to mind that struck you regarding that list?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, I mean, Dave Ziggler has a history with the Patriots.
I mean he's done with the Titans, but he has
a history with the Patriots for a long time as
an executive during a lot of the Bill Belichick years.
So it has connections with Brian Flores from that time.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Exactly if he would have crossed paths with Kevin O'Connell
during his brief stay as the player and newing them.
That might be a little further back than Biggler would
have gone. But that one is interesting just because of
the Flora's connection. And then John McKay, I think is
an interesting one. Obviously has had connections with O'Connell from LA.
But the the other thing that's interesting there is he's
(41:01):
the son of Richard McKay, that the Launcheon Dawkins executive
who is the head of a competition committee. Kevin O'Connell
is now in the competition committee, So you start to
connect dots of who knows whom. There's some of those
things that I just I find to be a little
bit interesting and just trying to figure out where influence
may come into these things. And O'Connell today said I'm
(41:23):
going to be as involved in whatever role they have
for me in terms of the WILTS, and he specifically
mentioned Andrew Miller, the chief operating officer. I think three
times he brought up Andrew Miller's role in this process.
So I think the degree to which coaches will have
a voice in this and their connections will direct it
(41:44):
is it kind of remains to be seen. But it's
also worth noting that when these coaches are here, with
the amount of status that they have, I think those
connections are worth keeping in mind as they go through
this process.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Have a wonderful weekend and we will chat next week.
Thank you, all right, sound good. Thanks Dan Ben Gesslink
covers the vikings for The Star Tribune. Joins us, of course,
each and every week now pretty much year round, with
very very few exceptions, sort of the way that the
job has evolved. Therefore his role I think has evolved
(42:18):
on this show too. Lavelle E Neal the third is
with us, you know, pretty much every week all year,
barring some vacations and a couple other things that come up.
He is scheduled for a five thirty visit. Top five
at five is right around the corner with GUARDSI and
I'm assuming it will include an update on the status
(42:41):
of Io Desumu.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Maybe it will include an update from the head coach
on juwel Ericsson Eck for tomorrow's game.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
That's even better.
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