February 2, 2026 • 54 mins
Wild President of Hockey Operations and USA Hockey General Manager Bill Guerin joins Dan to preview the Olympics, discuss how he handles inevitable criticism in his role and how he feels about his Wild club going into the Olympic break. Bill also talks about how the 1980 Miracle on Ice team inspired him as a kid and his belief that that team should stand alone in USA hockey history.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
We expect a phone call into the cafe and hotline
any minute from the Wild President of Hockey Operations, Bill Garrin.
We'll talk about his team in terrific position as we
prepare the for the Olympic break while have two games left,
including one tonight on the fan. Coverage begins at six
(00:40):
fifteen this evening, and then we'll get into, you know,
like I said, Olympic stuff with him, and a few
other things as well. If you have any questions, hit
the bratch on Brian caffe In text line at six
four six eight six.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Why is golf on?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
This is that? Is this that studio golf thing? Yes? Yes,
this is highly popular, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I don't know if it's highly popular, but he's trying
to make it popular. I don't know if it's super popular.
It's something a while. So are those real.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Fans in the stands or is at ai generator? No,
those are real fans. Those are real fans.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Okay, they just had Arthur Blank, the owner of the Falcons. Yeah,
I think he owns one of these teams at the
Atlanta team this line right now.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah. So he was being interviewed by Marty Smith. Your guy.
So they've got some dignitaries. Is that right?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Very interesting. I had something else I was going to
run by you as we wait for the UH for
the phone call. But in the meantime, like I said,
if you have questions for Bill, we'll try to include
some of them via the bratch on Brian Caffean text
line at six for six eight six while we are waiting,
(01:54):
as we'll.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Get these out of the way, I had a couple
more good ones.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I thought, quazy half ass is oh, bad ass, Yannis,
bring you ass?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Wolves and five. Trying maybe a little too hard there,
but I like the spirit of it, don't you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I think it's spot on. Quazy adofo, men's got let go.
The draft will be handled by Oh there's the hotline,
KOC and b Flow. The new manager is John Doe.
Wolves and five. They're coming in fast and furious.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Today.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
We ultimately chose to not name the SNAMI. I didn't
think we had enough snow yesterday to name it. Although
I kind of miss them naming, so maybe we will,
I don't know, moderate or loosen up the rules that
we have in that regard. Bill Garren now joining us
via the Connecticot Water Systems hotline, and as we welcome
(03:04):
you back to the program, I want to start where
I often start, a tweet directed at you, quite frankly
from Michael from you love those from Michael Russo, and
he is referring to the new Netflix documentary, yet another
(03:24):
documentary on the Miracle of Lake Placid. Here's what he writes,
if Bill Garren and Mike Sullivan are smart, watching this
doc should be the homework assignment for each USA player
flying to Milan on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So will you take up his advice.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
If we were only if we were as smart as Mike.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's correct, which is.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I could hope to be one day as smart as
members of the media when it comes to the game
of hockey.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
What he tweets does raise some interesting questions, because I
feel like I get his point and I hear good
things about the documentary.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't know if you've seen it yet.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
You can you can tell us if you have, but
that it's such a different world and such a different
set of circumstances. I'm not sure one thing has that
that then has anything to do with Now what do
you think?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Oh? I agree with you. I and you know, Mike, Mike,
I think it's on its flight to Milan and he
just texted me, uh that, you know, I have to
watch it. I'm like, yeah, Mike, it's on the list.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, it's right after I finished you know Ozark, Yes,
Like no, but I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And I've said it like, look, there's there's only one miracle, correct,
and that's and that's the guys in nineteen eighty Totally
different set of certain you know, circumstances those guys are.
They're they're on a pedestal all on their own. That
to me, in my mind personally, that will never change
(05:09):
those guys, no question. I was nine years I was
nine years old.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I was going to ask you, I thought you were
nine or ten.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Huge, right, That was a.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Huge impact in my life and my love of hockey.
And that's why I'll put those guys on a pedestal.
And if you know, we we hope to win, we
hope to win goal, but we're NHL players, we're older guys.
We're not a bunch of college kids taking on you know,
the Soviet Union. It's just different.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's it's it will like you say, that's why it
stands out. It will never be duplicated. Yeah, because the conditions,
the circumstances are so different. So it's I think it's
it's almost a fool's Errand to try to it doesn't
mean this doesn't mean a lot. As you know, it
doesn't mean you can't, you know, have a great story
and maybe even make a great movie for God's sake
over what you do. But the innocence of it, as
(05:55):
you said, the ages of those players going up against
the comedies, the whole bit is different. You mentioned it
resonated with you. You're nine years old. What do you remember
about how closely you followed it and how it hit you.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
The win, the win, and how special it was and
how big it was. It was just amazing, like everybody knew,
like what we were up against. And I remember Ruzione's goal.
I remember Mark Johnson's goal at the end of was
it at the end of the second period? That was
that was a huge one. I just how just impactful
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it was and just knowing as a little kid, like
that's what I want to do, did you. I want
to be an Olympic hockey player. I want to us right,
So that Oh that was it.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, that's great, that's great.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I mean hit like a lightning bolt, like it was like,
that's why, that's why I get I got so involved
in USA hockey, and I love it because it all
started with that and those guys like you know, RUZZIONI,
Robbie McClanahan, you'll brought and guys that I know, well
like they're just they're just awesome, and I do I
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put them on a pedestal.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's you know, we were talking. This subject came up
a couple of weeks ago. I was trying to put
into some kind of perspective, admittedly for you know, less
than objective reasons, because I graduated from Indiana University the
football run of Signetti the last two years, and I,
like a lot of people look at it as well,
this has to be for a short period, relatively short period,
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this has to be literally one of the greatest coaching
efforts in the history of all sports. And I started
coming up with, okay, give me some others, and quite frankly,
Herbie Brooks in nineteen eighty was another one.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Now that's even a shorter amount of time, but it
was it.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It to me, it's the same sort of thing where
you find a way to figure something out in short order.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And I want did you ever get to know Herbie
at all? Herb Brooks.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, Herb was my first professional coach when I signed
with When I signed with New Jersey, he was in
Utica and then I played my first full season in
the NHL for Herb, and then I played for him
at the two thousand and two Olympics in Salt Lake City.
So yes, I knew Herb really well, and I you
know what it was. It was cool because I felt
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like I knew two different Herbs, the one in ninety
one ninety two, yes season, and then the one ten
years later in two thousand and two where he had
kind of I don't want to say, well yeah mellows
for lack of better word, and we saw the human
side of him a little bit more in the sense
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of humor, and you know, like he gave everybody a
pen and said, gentlemen, right, you're going to write your story.
You're going to write the story. You're going to write
the ending to this story. And he was just he
was awesome. He was an awesome guy. Like if you
could ever figure him out and did put it. He
was he always he always kept be on your toes. Yeah. Yeah, well,
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and you know what, he was ahead of his time
and a lot of things, and and he was just smart.
He liked being around smart people too.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You know, uh we what you mentioned how different he was,
so the first time around, how what stood out? I mean,
how feisty was he, how difficult was he? Was he
impossible to deal with first time around, because I mean,
you know, the stories are legendary about how difficult, no question,
how talent like that he was considered by a lot
(09:32):
of people a hockey genius, but also how difficult he
could be also to be around at the same time.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, I mean, it's like when when we were talking
to him, he was talking about like you know, training
and skating and single leg strength and biometrics and all
these things that like, you weren't really in the game yet,
and you know years later that's like how people trained
and he was doing this thirty years ago. He you know,
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he knew the game, like, loved the skill of it, yes,
and hated the you know, there there are parts of
the NHL that are just really simple and and you know,
like we would fight and antagonize and do all this
and that.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And he didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Love that, like it was just he wanted to focus
on the game. And and you know the other thing,
he used really big words that twenty one year old
Bill Garran did not understand. I remember we had a
meeting one night in the cow Palace when San Jose
first came in the league, and he was telling us
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in between periods that our team had no synergy and
we had to find synergy. And he kept putting his
hands like interlocked together and sinking synergy, synergy, synergy. And
he leaves the room and everybody looks at each other
and so, what does anybody know what the hell synergy means?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's so perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Him.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
He was, you know, and obviously, as you know, he
ended up spending a lot of time here. We u
said him on the radio, Billy, you want to talk
about a great interview, and a guy who wasn't afraid
to mix it up would get feisty, get really cranky
with me. I know this will shock you on some occasions,
but just I mean, just it's what you want because
(11:25):
you don't know what's where it's going to go. And
he's not going to hold a grudge either he's just
gonna if he's mad at he's gonna get out of
his system and move on with with others. It's such
a you know, I still we talked about this. It's
hard for me believe he's been gone as long as
he is. He was so young, you know, the whole story.
It's such a loss, especially here as you know, to
the to the hockey community, like I'd even like him
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being around now, just watching your whole deal and what
you're doing with this team, and you know, it's it's
it's just such a it's a he's one of those
guys who's irreplaceable.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, he is. And it was a tremendous loss. And
you're I would I would love for him to be
around now. Yes, for me to to lean on, right,
to talk to and tips. He was uh an American icon,
you know, I I we It was yeah, very very
tragic in how we lost him.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
All Right, So there's a six. Here's your toss up question.
At this point, do you feel greater pressure as the
president of hockey operations for the Minnesota Wild or as
the guy, the architect, the guy in charge of whatever
happens in Milano for the during the Winter Olympics US
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Hockey team.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Oh man, some days I feel like I'm double tipping
on that. Yes, but yeah, I think right now, probably
for the Olympics, just because you know what, there's been
so much build up and we've been waiting for this
for so long and it's and it's finally here, and
it's the short it's a short tournament, so we got
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we gotta be ready and hit the ground running and
and and ready to go. So I think more more
pressure for that right now.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well, that you hit on the key point for me,
because that's where I want to go next. It's such
a different challenge because there is no easing into it,
right that.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
That's the whole point.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You're you gotta you pretty much got to hit the
hit the ice running pretty hard, or you find yourself
a little bit behind the eight ball. There's no time
to sort of get your your your skates up, the
skates under you.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah. Yeah, And that's that's why, you know what, when
we were building the team and picking it and all
that stuff, I have such a I put such a
great importance on chemistry and and uh, you know guys
that can accept roles and things because we don't have
time to like, we don't have time to go through
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all that stuff. Like, let's just we had good chemistry
at the Four Nations. I'm not going to mess with
that too much because that's that's really an important ingredient
to having success here. So you know, yeah, we just
got to hit the ground running. Man, it's it's going
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to be it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I saw one story online quoting you, I was never
gonna going to make everyone happy. Bill Garan feels the heat.
This story is interesting because he mentions, I don't even
know who the writer is that. Garan has been heavily criticized,
including by is it Nick Suzuki, in recent weeks for
his selection decisions. Garan decided not to select several players
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in the eyes of many analysts, fans truly deserve to
be part of that team. In that sense, he is
feeling the heat. Quote all I know is that I
was never going to make everybody happy. Now, you never
struck me as a guy that's very fearful about that stuff.
You're not afraid to make decisions. But it does feel
like it's a greater burden in a sense because it's
(15:01):
you know, it's it's it's representing the entire country, not
just the wild. So as you're doing it, are you,
I mean, is it? Did you find it agonizing? Because
these decisions, as you know, they get scrutinized endlessly.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And you know how it's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
If you take care of business in Milano, you're gonna
get praised and you're not gonna hear another word.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
But if it doesn't go your way.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
It's gonna be I don't know, man, here's what, here's
exactly why it was a mistake to leave off so
and so, so and so and so and so.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, and that's gonna come no matter what. Like I mean,
you know that's the thing. Who am I going to
I'm not gonna keep everybody happy. There's a million millions
of people in the world that are gonna be watching this,
and you know, the last thing I'm gonna do too
is take criticism from another player though on another team
like that that play. You know, his teammate got left off,
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so so he's upset and he's gonna support his teammate.
That's fine. Yeah, right, I don't I don't care. But
you know, these are all different decisions, and you know,
what hey, honestly got I really don't care. I don't
care what the media says. I don't care what uh
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you know a fan in a certain market that that
their player was left off the team. I don't care.
All I'm trying to do is put together the best
team for the United States and go over and win.
And you know what, maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong,
but those are the decisions I made.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Have you been assure?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
There's been a lot of stuff written about logistics, right,
and locker rooms and the ice and the rink and
the whole bit.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
In some of those stories. I think I was talking.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
To Louis about this, and he agreed that some of
the media more were more interested in them than others,
because you know, Luis said, you know what the truth
is players, If the locker rooms a little small, the players,
they might moan a little bit, but nobody's gonna care.
It's it's it's not as big the deals we think
it is. But I I assume you know, Arena those
sorts of things all matter. I mean, are you have
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you been assured that all the all the mechanics of
it are going to be okay? Are you worried about
any sort of real challenges in that regard.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I'm not worried about it. Damn thing. I'm not. Because
if it's if it's that way for us, it's that
way for everybody. It isn't even playing field. I could
care less if the locker rooms are small or whatever, Like,
it doesn't matter. What matters is you know what that
we get out there, we can play and the players
are safe and and that's it. You know, all this
other stuff you like, you're right, the media you guys
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like to you know, uh, you know agonize about this. Oh,
the rank's not ready yet, Like it'll get done and
if it doesn't, we'll figure something out.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well, you want the ice to be safe at least, right,
I mean yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
What I said. Yeah, as long as the players are safe.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Right Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Like what am I going to do?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
What are we going to do? You know? What we
got to do is focus on playing high and winning
our games.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Can you is it possible to be in the position
you're in? And by the way, I know you've embraced
this role. You wouldn't have taken it if you didn't
want the responsibility and the heat. But as it's happening.
Is it almost impossible to enjoy it? Or do you
think you will be able to do that as it's
taking place?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Enjoyed every enjoyed, every day you have?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Okay, good to hear.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, I don't care like you know what? You want
to bring heat on me? Go ahead, I don't. I
really the good outweighs the bad. You know what, you
can't you know what, Honestly in this world, you can't
keep anybody happy anyway. So I'm just gonna make my
decisions and move along. Enjoy the people that I get
to go through this process with. And you know what,
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I'm representing the United States of America in the game
I love at the Olympics. How could I be How
can I be upset? Or how can I be having
a bad time? This is incredible experience, an incredible honor.
Every day has been good.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That's a very positive attitude you have there. That's impressive.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I hope you can hold on to it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean, if you you know, I mean, that's the
key to it is, is being able to hold onto that.
What are the odds that by the time you guys
wrap up the gold at the Olympics you have already
figured out, even if it's not yet announced, a significant
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trade involving your favorite professional NHL team in the Minnesota
while because everybody's gonna be there, right, I mean, are
you gonna you're gonna be able to think you guys
are gonna have all this time to negotiate.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Aren't you to figure out it? You got to.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Everybody knows you got to bring another big piece before
the deadline.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah. No, not everybody's gonna be there. Oh well, some
people are gonna We're gonna we're gonna focus on We're
gonna focus on. We going to focus on the US
team while we're over there, and we'll yeah, I mean,
it's not too hard to just jump back in, so
we'll be We'll be fine with the wild.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
You have two games left tonight on the fan coverage
begins at about six fifteen, and then I think Wednesday
is the last one right before the break. So give
me the Bill Garren state of the state regarding this
team going into this break.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
How do you feel about your hockey team?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I feel good right now. I feel good about the team.
I think the guys are playing hard, they're playing well.
We played a you a solid game the other night
in Edmonton and you know, took on you know, two
big horses out there and did a really good job.
So just continue that and we'll be okay. I'm happy
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with where we are. We always want to get better,
but I'm things are things are going pretty pretty good.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
That sounds that doesn't even sound that enthusiastic.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I don't want to get ahead of myself either. I mean,
you know, we got we had a lot of hockey
left in front of us.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Is it is it fair to say that the better
you guys play, or the as you have ascended to
the place you've ascended to in the standings, if that
actually makes you even more motivated to try to add
to reward the team by adding one more piece if possible.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, I'm motivated and I would
love to do it. It's just, you know, whatever we
do has got to make sense for us. And you know,
I don't want to make I don't want to make
any stupid moves, but I definitely want to, you know,
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try to to try to add to the team. And
you know, our place in the standings, and more than that,
more than our place in the standings, the way we're
playing is is the motivation, It's not just I mean
the place in the standings comes because of the way
you're playing. So if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It does.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, I think that does make sense because I've always
felt that it's it's I guess understandable, but sometimes dangerous too.
If a team is struggling, say, we need something to
shake us up that I think will put us in
that better spot, because that does has been known to
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happen over the years in various sports. But a lot
of times it's fool's goal that you're asking for more
than that one player can deliver, and that you're not
being honest about the fact that no, no, no, the core
that we have right here, we got to get them
to play better regardless first before we do it. So
to me, to that extent, you're in a good scenario
in that regard.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean that that comes first. I mean
they you know, if they if we continue to go
along like we were in October, that was.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Not happening, right right, good point, Yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And yeah, the way that they played in November or
early December. Yeah, okay, now we're in.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So how do I ask this question delicately in a
way that there's a decent chance you'll answer it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I'll just ask it, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
So one of the things that's been reported recently, you know,
Louis has talked about this. A lot of people say, okay, well,
if you if there is any hope of adding another
Here's what I've been told by the hockey insiders, they say,
the so called experts. They say, in an odd sense,
when you make a move as big as you already
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did that, you're almost obligated to make sure that move
move is maximized by making one more big move. But
the comeback to that was, well, how many assets do
you have left? At what price? So what I've been
told about the hockey insiders is, here's what's changed. There
might be willingness, if necessary, to move on your young goaltender,
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even if you love them, and even if you don't
want to do it, that if it comes to it,
that might be something you have to consider.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Can you speak to them.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I've always look, I've always said if there's a chance
to make our team better, I will. I've always said that,
and I mean that includes everybody, like right, It's not
just it's not just Wallly. It's not like kids that
kids have stopped. He's he's he's a really good goalie.
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I love putting two goalies in. I love putting goalies
in rested every single night. And that's that's a luxury,
that's a benefit. So I'm not I'm no, I'm in
no rush to do that. I understand these are things
that are thrown out there, that are sold. Like you
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know what, it doesn't it doesn't take It doesn't take
much thought to look at our roster and say, like, oh,
they could trade wall seat. Well, no kidding, like, of
course we could. Like it's just that's not like a
bold statement, it's just obvious.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Well, I think, yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I think it's gotten some attention really for two reasons. One,
he's emerged.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Because because it makes sense, here's a tiptick. They already
have a goal here's a chip tick, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
But he only becomes a chip because he's playing better, right,
I mean that's part of the story. I think that's
that's part of it. We've already gone way, we're way
past that. We have him traded on this show, and
we have obviously Flower coming back to be the backup
goaltender the rest of the season once you make the
big move to add a front line center.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah, I mean again, those are all things that I
mean when you look at it, yeah, I mean, hey,
we could. There's so many things like that that that
you can go through and just say, oh, what about this?
What about that? Yeah? It makes sense like it does.
I'm not I'm not saying anybody's wrong for thinking that,
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but I'm just saying it's it's obvious.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
What actor will Billy Garant choose to play him in
the Miracle two movie? Who should play you? When you
guys take that makes all the sense of the world.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Are you familiar John c Well that?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, that might that might be more like it. That's
possible too. Are you familiar with Lavelle e Neil the Third?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Okay, so we have Lavell on for every Friday. We've
had him on for reguards to you, what do you
think twenty years? He's fifteen, twenty, he's twenty five. For
God's sake, I've been on this too long actually. Anyway,
Lavelle has an interesting theory regarding his Olympic visits. I
used to cover Olympics, but I never was smart enough
(27:26):
to come up with this idea. So the Lavelle Neil
rule of traveling to the Olympics is that inevitably you're
gonna have to come back with some trinkets, right from
some mementos that either you're bringing back to yourselves or
your loved ones, et cetera. So you're going to need
some extra room on the back end on the return journey.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So the Lavell plan to create that room is to.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Leave all of his underwear in his hotel room in
that international Olympic spot, So then that space is available
for trinkets.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Whatever is it possible.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Bill Garon will adopt the Lavelle e Neil the third
underwear rule when he travels to Mlonna.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I don't wear underwear. It's it doesn't help me in
this situation.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I asked.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Behave your socks, that's it. Maybe a couple extra shirts, uh,
will you have? I'm guessing you're gonna have a lot
of requests though, right for like caps and hoodies and
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
You know what, I honestly, I I've been through this before. Yeah,
And you know, the more people you try to take
care of, the bigger pain in the next it is.
I'm sorry, it just is. And I take care of
my family right now. And if I have that something great,
But I'm going over there to work. It's not our
(28:50):
I'm not going to the Olympics like that. I'm going
as I'm working.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
That's probably what people love this team want to hear.
Although I will admit Guardi and I were kind of
hoping maybe for a really cool US Olympic Hockey team
hoodie or like a post or something.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, oh god, that would be I mean, there's.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Another idio personality that you know very well that's asked
for things too, And I'm gonna give you the same
answer that I gave him.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Uh huh No, not a chance.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Do we get like a discount like team USA dot
com is, or like a code we can use to
get off. Well even even Louis I thought brought me
back something from one of the Olympics. That's true, he does.
That's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
That explains it, that actually explains it. Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
All right, Well you're what are you leaving Thursday? So
our not request, but demand is if we can't get
a hoodie, if if you're not going to give a
phone call.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
We gotta have like, how long does the competition go on? Actually?
Is it twelve days? More than that?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah? Gold medal games of twenty seconds.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Okay, so I get it. You're busy, You're gonna have
other priorities. But we have to have you on the
ground there at some point, like I don't know, once twice,
and we could keep it shorter, like if you say,
all right, I'll give you eight minutes. We're not gonna
do the our usual thirty minute Wagnerian opera.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Whatever works for you.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
We will work with your people and you because you
will be a great resource for us, and we're gonna
be watching this stuff start to finish.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
So yeah, we might be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
All right, we'll figure something out your tech, your your
phone will work there. I can at least bug you
and text you and you can ignore me that way.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, my phone will work there.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Excellent.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Will are you staying at palatial? Like what are the digs?
Are you in like a pashon Tony location?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
No, not quite pash Tony, but seriously it'll be nice.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, safe travels. We really appreciate the time. Best of
luck to the club. I know you're looking forward to
it all looking forward to it and thanks for the
time as always.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You got it, my friend, appreciate your talk.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
So thanks man.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
That is the president of hockey operations for your favorite
hockey team.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
This on a while.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
We of course, are the home of the Wild as
soon as tonight at six fifteen.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Back in just a.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Minute, A number of people very pleased with the Garren
(31:50):
underwear answer. It was I don't know, and I didn't
want to press on it because it's not any of
my business. But I don't know if it's a true answer,
but it's a good answer regarding Commando given I'm sure
they got people's attention. Lavelle back you know.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Backstory yep.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Regarding just leaving all of his uh underwear in, I
think it was Beijing, yes, in that case. So the
other thing I'd say about it is, I'm guessing the
Team USA shipping policy is a little bit more liberal
and a little more inviting than.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
The Star Tribunes shipping policy.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I'm guessing if Team USA staff wants to send something
back like a steamer trunk, even one extra steamer trunk, yeah,
I'm guessing they're taking care of in that regard. Just
a hunch you might be right for that actor for
Billy Garran in a Miracle two. A Danny McBride, who's
at Oh Danny McBride, Yeah, he's in east Bound and Down.
(32:44):
You'd recognize him. He's got That would be a humane
good one. John c Riley was actually a pretty good
one too. I thought, yeah, let me ask you this well,
he mentioned, Yeah, I showed.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I showed.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You know, it's hard when you work here, especially everything's
a bit right, like literally everything. We just did the
Lavelle underwear a bit with the wild president of hockey Ops.
So Louis yesterday and Louis should join us tomorrow. Tweeted
about the Netflix documentary on the nineteen eighteen that everybody's
talking about right, and said it's spectacular. Everybody should watch it.
(33:16):
And I had it in the chamber in the reply
to Luigi who played you? But he's still so mad,
he is, he's still bitter about it about who played
him in the Miracle movie where he talked about that.
He walked out of the premiere and he's never watched
it since I deleted it. I showed some restraint, I said,
because Louise on this high from watching the Netflix saying,
(33:38):
and so I said, should I try to get him going?
Because I thought it was a good It would have
been a good way to get him going, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But there's also some things you don't want, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You could say that for when he starts getting cocky
about the weather and mocking what we're enduring.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Because he's looking at swaying palm.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Trees right right, you know where you have you feel
some vulnerability and you don't feel sorry for him at all,
And then you have it in your back pocket if
you want to go back to it.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Is it a long doc? Is it a couple hours?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I don't know that, but it's as Billy said to
Russo it's on my list as well. I think for
a little bit later. This yek very sarcastically too. I
want to see it. The issue is the obvious. You know,
there's been so many done, what's left? And sometimes there
can be some new stuff. Somebody had texted that there's
some new video and maybe some newer interviews. That's the question.
(34:28):
Can you is there a different angle to carve out?
Seems like there was that has not yet been explored,
and if you can find one, then all the better
because the story is timeless.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I mean, the story. If the story.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Fades, it's just going to because fewer people can relate
to it directly because it didn't happen in their lifetime.
And you know, he reminded us Billy garn was nine
years old. I was not covering. I think I would
have been in Louisville then, So I was working the
copy desk, so I wasn't doing any covering any games
or anything like that. So and again, Louisville was not
(35:01):
you know at the time, wasn't I still not, I
don't think a hockey mecca.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
So it's kind of a.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Little bit harder to follow there than it might have
been other places. I am envious, you know, I've had
I've had good fortune to cover a lot of great
stuff and many Olympics over the years, and a lot
of other great sporting events. You know, the the the
Carl Lewis Ben Johnson one hundred meter dash in Seoul.
I can remember it like yesterday. Man, that moment is
(35:27):
just seared in my head, that scene. To be able
to cover that and be to be a part of
that's tremendous. But I really do envy the people who
were covering Lake Placid for sure, and maybe didn't even know,
you know that it was going to end up being
what it was, because there are a lot you know,
it wasn't I don't think it was even though it
was in the United States. I don't think it was
(35:48):
covered by everybody nationally, but the people.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Who are there and to have that memory what that whole.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Village must have been. Like, I covered hockey, I covered
a gopher frozen four. Yeah, in Lake Placid. I remember,
in fact, I flew through Montreal to get there, and
the scene was great even then because that you had
that sense of history.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
But to actually be there for that thing.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I saw a tweet from I think it's Mike Lupeka,
the longtime New York Daily News les Gary Commness. We
covered all of it. Yep, I was Rosen there. I
thought Rosen was there. I mean he only tells us weekly. Yeah,
he was there, and actually his face appears in this documentary.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
It does.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I think after one of the games, like a scrum
and interviewed scrum.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I think he's kind of on the bench. And that's
the other thing for a Minnesota media member. Yes, I'm
sure that's why he was there. He's there, he was
covering that. Yeah, all the Minnesota connections, there's so many
of them. Yes, so it made a lot of sense.
So yeah, you can see young Rosen Meetsa's text had said,
it's ninety minutes and it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Perfect what he said.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well, I, you know, I did cover the eighty four
Winter Olympics that was in Sarajevo, and it was a
good story in of itself because I heavily concentrated on
the team that follows and the pressure obviously that it fed.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Didn't It didn't go well. I even think they got to.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
The metal round. I don't remember, but it was not good.
Lou Vero was the coach. He was a wreck by
the end of he was a mess. It was impossible
to live up obviously to that standard. But because of
what eighty had done, that was the storyline. All right,
can we have another one of those, say okay, let's
just almost like it's a matter of course.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
And it didn't.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
The scene was great, but it didn't go very well
for the US team at all on that occasion. Let's
get caught up and we'll get to a number of
texts on a number of very controversial subjects when we return.
Just announced today, Dave Chappelle returns to Minnesota February sixteenth
through a very special guest clips.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Don't miss out on this one.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
It's a one off, one of a kind set Grand
Casino Arena in Saint Paul and tickets go on sale
tomorrow at noon. All the details are at cafean dot
com keyword calendar. Good show planned for tomorrow. Kevin Seffert
(38:18):
will join I'm Hoping in studio at three point thirty
and then a rare Hostile League in studio appearance from
Aaron Gleman. That's four thirty four yep, so back to
back Seaffert and then Gleaman and I mentioned this on
sermons that we ended up spending almost the entire time
(38:42):
on the culture chasm and not so much on the
Twins story. I think because well it's I think the
reasons are kind of obvious that it's so much harder
to want to invest in anything the Twins are aren't doing.
It so hard to tell exactly what they are and
aren't doing at this point. They send so many mixed
(39:05):
messages and now you're, you know, getting rid of Falvey
two weeks before in effect, I know as mutual two
weeks before or even less. I think before spring training
that when you don't think there's as much at stake,
it just doesn't feel very vital, right. But that's Cleman's
(39:26):
job to continue to pay attention to I mean, he
may still pay attention from Afar to the Timberwolves and
the Vikings, especially the Wolves. Yep, but this is what
he covers, so it will be I will I am
curious to get I've read some of the stuff he's written,
but I'm curious to get his view on how you
read the tea leaves here and where this might be headed.
(39:48):
And I guess my number one question for Cleman might
be why the latest poll ad seems so cock sure
of what the team's go to do this season? Basically
keeps saying we're gonna just watch, just watch it wait
until September. September, So maybe he's seeing it clearly. Maybe
(40:09):
he should be the guy in charge of the baseball operation.
I'm not sure, but Gleaman pays obviously a lot of
attention to who we've added and who we don't have,
and he doesn't simply make it about payroll, even though
payroll clearly tells part of the story because you're you're
you know, your margin for error is reduced as dramatically
(40:31):
as it is. But the bottom line is there's still,
despite the Vikings disappointment, great interest in the Vikings, And
right now there's a great deal of apathy regarding the Twins.
And I, I don't know, I have a hard time.
I mean, you know, the levelle theory, the Lavelle theory
(40:53):
is all they're really doing that even though they walked
away from from sell this last time after declaring that's
what you're gonna do, he believes they're going to do
it again. He thinks they're going to wait, yeah, to
watch baseball get into a more viable financial position. Thereby,
one would presume making all these franchises more attractive, worth
(41:16):
more money, and that at that point they're going to
come back to it again, once they've not necessarily improved
the team, but just improve their chances to make more
money on the deal, Yes, and then sell at that point.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I think that's exactly what's happening.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Because the more you think about it, these magical minority investors,
the limited partners, Yes, they just gave us a half
a billion dollars to wipe off the debt, because they're
all good dudes to.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Could gig of you and get it, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, Like, what's their incentive if you're not going to
make money this season or next season because of the
product that you're putting on the field and the payroll
that regional stuff, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
So because otherwise rich people don't just give away their
money for nothing. There's got to be something at the
end of it. So that's kind of my thinking is, hey, yeah,
help us with the debt, you'll get it back and
then some when we come back.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Well, we can only count the days.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Unfortunately, when they gave us that opening and belief that
they were going to do it before and then let
us down, I'm not sure from a public standpoint, they'll
ever recover from that. I mean, the only way you
get past that is you want a world series, And
that'd be a hell of a story if they find
some way to do it with a Hey on Netflix,
(42:32):
what do we at now at one hundred mil? In
that range right around there.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I'd like to tell you I care enough to check
into it. But that's what I've read. Even relative to
other teams in the league, and relative to the pie
that's out the pot of gold that's out there, it
doesn't make any sense. We all know the story about
the regional money, you know, being what probably fifty mil.
And now maybe they're getting a buck fifty. We don't
know exactly what they're getting. They've never told us, which
(42:56):
always makes me wonder whether it's a little bit more
than we think is. Here's the so Fauve surfaced, right,
and we'll get to this with Gleaman tomorrow. Didn't he
surface with a couple of the Jackals afterwards? He did
on Friday? Yeah, Yeah, he did some kind type of
zoom or something. The question is whether, and maybe he
strikes me this guy was maybe never going to go
(43:17):
scorch to Earth. But I'm wondering if down the road,
you know, because that seemed to be pretty upbeat, right,
It wasn't. There wasn't a lot of bitterness to it,
and there wasn't a lot of savagery associated with it.
We had honest conversations about the direction and deep discussions
and intentional discussions.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
It was very falve esque.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, and we came to the realization that the partnership
might not be beneficial for both parties, and we had.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Those honest dialogues.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Is he going to surface elsewhere eventually in a one
on one and is Quazy going to emerge?
Speaker 2 (43:50):
My guess is not.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Seems he's always been hesitant through all of this stuff, right,
But then my question is is it would seem only
human that it's some point as you see your name
dragged through the mud, not just for stuff that you
are responsible for, but for stuff that was definitely a
collaboration and definitely shared. Regarding the quarterback stuff, which we'd
examined heavily the first hour and change of the show,
(44:14):
and then again with Alec Lewis, you'd think it, you know,
Mike kick in and go wait a minute now now.
Then again, Mike Zimmer never did it, so that's true.
You know, maybe you know, he'll say it's not worth it,
or I'll go in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I don't need to fight this fight.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Some people have and I didn't get this to this
with Alec claimed that there was another coach on another team,
either another coach or GM, who said that one of
the biggest mistakes the quasy made was acknowledging his mistakes,
and maybe there's some truth to that.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Maybe to that extent he was too honest where he
said about looking back on the Darnel thing. I think
he said, well, you go through your paces and do
the things, and then you do kind of regret the
way some things came out.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I don't really buy that unless you think your bosses
are watching and going was does this guy know what
he's doing? But E would think in any review situation. Yeah,
like you would think that would have come up internally anyway.
You know that Lacy tells the Wilfs or whoever. Andrew
Miller the president A. Yeah, you learned some things as
you go through this. Like I read that and I said,
(45:16):
well that so you're just supposed to never give anything
and just never admit that you made a mistake. Ever,
that doesn't seem productive either. Yeah, that's especially if we
all know, Like to me, that was a good acknowledgment
that we're all watching. We all see the few amount
of players that were drafted by Clacy that are actually participating.
It's not like he could fool anybody and say no,
(45:37):
it was actually way better than you thought, So I
actually liked that he said, Yeah, we learned some stuff,
we moved through some stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Well, it always is easy to say what the anonymous
guy said after the fact. You don't give them, don't
give them an opening, you know, you don't let them
dance on your grave that way. Did it really have
any impact? I'm not sure. I tend to think it
probably wouldn't have mattered whether he'd been more careful or
had you know, whether he was that director had been
more careful about his response. Top of the hour break
(46:04):
will come back, wrap things up, prepare for wild hockey,
and give you a little glimpse of what we have
coming up later in the week and what you missed earlier.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
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Speaker 1 (46:14):
Show Rap is presented by American Pressure commercial grade pressure
Washers since nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
It's the Bumper to Bumper Show Rap.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Dan Minnesota writes. The new Miracle documentary is good. Some
new footage and the players watching the footage and commenting
is also a good touch. But the original HBO Do
You Believe In Miracles still holds.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Its own in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I don't even remember the original HBO one.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I'll take Dan Minnesota's word for it. The time to
watch both, but it.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Might be a good time, yeah, to to watch both.
That's that's very true. I went to a Thank god,
you're sitting down when I tell you this. I went
to see a motion picture in a movie theater the
other day.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
There were tickets available. There were tickets.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Available, I want to say probably there were. Well, it's
interesting when I looked at tickets available the day before,
literally zero had been sold. Then three hours before the show,
there were still zero sold. And I'm thinking we're gonna
(47:40):
be GIEVONZI, not gonna be the only ones in the theater.
But then when we got there there were i'd say
maybe ten others in the in the theater.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Not bad.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
And I got to tell you because I mean, like
most people, I've gotten used to not doing it and
out of the half bit of doing it, and we
enjoyed ourselves.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Going back to me. Yeah, and this is a sequel.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
I don't know many of it in our audience saw
the original. I think it's called Greenland and that has
nothing to do with the Donald Trump story. Just in case. Yeah, Uh,
it's a sequel. To an action end of the world
kind of drama.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
In fact, I'll have to look up the name of
the of the sequel. But I liked it a lot.
I thought it was you know, sequels usually are pain
the ass. They're usually not you know, worthy of the original.
But I thought it was very good. It's called Greenland
to my migration, Migration, and it stars I'm a big
(48:52):
Gerard Butler, guy who is in that kind of film.
He's terrific in it, and so that it's his family
they were in the original, and it's it's years later.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
It updates the story. And I thought it was really good.
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
We we both enjoyed every Now again, that movie kind
of means something to us too. We used to watch
it all the times, one of those we watch over
and over. But I thought it was really good, and
it did kind of come back to me, Man, this
is stay bad.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
You know, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
We didn't have anybody next to us, which is important
for me. The corn was okay, you know, it wasn't great,
but yeah, yeah, I think that. I think the tickets
were like twenty and the food was forty seven something
like that.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, I'm sure and all we got was two popcorns.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
I think she got a suite of some sort and
we got two smart waters.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I think that's what.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
I think.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
It was literally like like forty some I believe it,
but I obviously the industry hasn't come back, has it. No,
not in that form, obviously, Yeah, I and for all
I know, it's already in an HP, you know, like
on one of the payout let's the streaming stream channels services.
(50:09):
But I really liked it Greenland too. Did you see
what's doing well despite getting panned by the critics, which,
what's that the Ivanka film Millennia mean.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
May That's right, that's right, not Avanka. That's a different story.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yes, it's And somebody said, like they have side by
side the Rotten Tomatoes score, which is like the critics,
which is like eight percent, and then the viewers the
film goers score, which is like ninety seven percent. And
somebody's headline was, this is just like the election. It's
(50:47):
true and there's some truth to it. Yeah, And I
have no idea if it's any good whatever, but I'm
sure will give us his review on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
He probably will. That's very very true, Davy. But yeah,
I enjoyed.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Uh the we saw a sequel over the weekend of
ja House too. Yeah it is Utopia. That's a good
one for the week.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Ye oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
We purchased it in the House Saturday night, twenty nine
ninety nine, whatever it is, and now we have it forever,
which is great.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
It's a good sequel, very good sequ's actually done hard
to top's Utopia one. They were right up there, right there, Yeah,
they were right up there. It was a good film.
Quazy takes the Fall, koc telling all media jackals throwing
everything against the wall.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Wolves and five. That's Alan from Often.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
David from Marshall is disappointed that I didn't ask Bill
ghon the following question, would he be interested in also
being the Vikings general manager?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
That's that bad. Frustrated. See if I had one other one.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
By the way, really good lineup today that included Alec Lewis.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
At four point thirty.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
In the three o'clock our Johnny Athletic File to Live
report from Memphis. He is tracking the Wolves not because
this is a particularly sexy matchup with the decimated Grizzlies,
but because trade deadlines upon us are close to it
it'll be Thursday at two Central, YEP. And that's why
I think he's tracking the team, not only there, but
didn't he say Toronto next Toronto just in case? Because
(52:20):
the Wolves are as he confirms, and as we've talked about,
that's my information as well, heavily involved in trying to
see if there is a path to get Great Freak
to come to Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
I mentioned this yesterday. You'll appreciate this.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
It's an underrated part of the story that newer Wolves
fans cannot probably appreciate the notion that we take for
granted that a world class two time MVP winning basketball
player is perfectly willing and maybe even about the prospect
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of any ending up with this franchise. People who haven't
been around this team from the beginning are close to it,
have no idea how absurd in that context it sounds.
It's it's one of those things that's beyond any sort
of comprehension. If you go through the first most of
the first thirty years this franchise and now it's oh yeah, well, yeah,
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I wouldn't we, which tells us that we are, if
nothing else, literally a credible franchise. Even if we don't
have a title yet. Tweet from at Guardsey January twenty ninth.
Giannis is interested in becoming a Timberwolf. Odds are slim,
but that in itself says a lot about the procession
of the club's future, with ants, Yeah, it's yeah, you totally.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
Not to be taken for granted. It is something to
be treasured and I know you do. Also today, great
conversation with Bill garn if you missed it, he joined
between five and five thirty. Good Olympic stuff, good miracle stuff,
a little bit of everything. He reminded us how as
a nine year old kid that run in Lake Placid
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stuck with him from the very beginning. He will not
be bringing us anything back, and he will not be
bringing us anything back, and don't beg and don't ask,
and he doesn't wear underwear.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
He also confirmed that as well.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Lack of context there probably, but there is contextual issue
related to the question if.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
You podcast tomorrow is Seaffert in studio? Who else?
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Gleaman Cleman in studio and in Florida, mostly Florida, so
not standing lineup.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
We'll talk to you tomorrow three o'clock
We expect a phone call into the cafe and hotline
any minute from the Wild President of Hockey Operations, Bill Garrin.
We'll talk about his team in terrific position as we
prepare the for the Olympic break while have two games left,
including one tonight on the fan. Coverage begins at six
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fifteen this evening, and then we'll get into, you know,
like I said, Olympic stuff with him, and a few
other things as well. If you have any questions, hit
the bratch on Brian caffe In text line at six
four six eight six.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Why is golf on?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
This is that? Is this that studio golf thing? Yes? Yes,
this is highly popular, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I don't know if it's highly popular, but he's trying
to make it popular. I don't know if it's super popular.
It's something a while. So are those real.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Fans in the stands or is at ai generator? No,
those are real fans. Those are real fans.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Okay, they just had Arthur Blank, the owner of the Falcons. Yeah,
I think he owns one of these teams at the
Atlanta team this line right now.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah. So he was being interviewed by Marty Smith. Your guy.
So they've got some dignitaries. Is that right?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Very interesting. I had something else I was going to
run by you as we wait for the UH for
the phone call. But in the meantime, like I said,
if you have questions for Bill, we'll try to include
some of them via the bratch on Brian Caffean text
line at six for six eight six while we are waiting,
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as we'll.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Get these out of the way, I had a couple
more good ones.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I thought, quazy half ass is oh, bad ass, Yannis,
bring you ass?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Wolves and five. Trying maybe a little too hard there,
but I like the spirit of it, don't you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I think it's spot on. Quazy adofo, men's got let go.
The draft will be handled by Oh there's the hotline,
KOC and b Flow. The new manager is John Doe.
Wolves and five. They're coming in fast and furious.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Today.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
We ultimately chose to not name the SNAMI. I didn't
think we had enough snow yesterday to name it. Although
I kind of miss them naming, so maybe we will,
I don't know, moderate or loosen up the rules that
we have in that regard. Bill Garren now joining us
via the Connecticot Water Systems hotline, and as we welcome
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you back to the program, I want to start where
I often start, a tweet directed at you, quite frankly
from Michael from you love those from Michael Russo, and
he is referring to the new Netflix documentary, yet another
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documentary on the Miracle of Lake Placid. Here's what he writes,
if Bill Garren and Mike Sullivan are smart, watching this
doc should be the homework assignment for each USA player
flying to Milan on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So will you take up his advice.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
If we were only if we were as smart as Mike.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's correct, which is.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
I could hope to be one day as smart as
members of the media when it comes to the game
of hockey.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
What he tweets does raise some interesting questions, because I
feel like I get his point and I hear good
things about the documentary.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't know if you've seen it yet.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
You can you can tell us if you have, but
that it's such a different world and such a different
set of circumstances. I'm not sure one thing has that
that then has anything to do with Now what do
you think?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Oh? I agree with you. I and you know, Mike, Mike,
I think it's on its flight to Milan and he
just texted me, uh that, you know, I have to
watch it. I'm like, yeah, Mike, it's on the list.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, it's right after I finished you know Ozark, Yes,
Like no, but I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
And I've said it like, look, there's there's only one miracle, correct,
and that's and that's the guys in nineteen eighty Totally
different set of certain you know, circumstances those guys are.
They're they're on a pedestal all on their own. That
to me, in my mind personally, that will never change
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those guys, no question. I was nine years I was
nine years old.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I was going to ask you, I thought you were
nine or ten.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Huge, right, That was a.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Huge impact in my life and my love of hockey.
And that's why I'll put those guys on a pedestal.
And if you know, we we hope to win, we
hope to win goal, but we're NHL players, we're older guys.
We're not a bunch of college kids taking on you know,
the Soviet Union. It's just different.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It's it's it will like you say, that's why it
stands out. It will never be duplicated. Yeah, because the conditions,
the circumstances are so different. So it's I think it's
it's almost a fool's Errand to try to it doesn't
mean this doesn't mean a lot. As you know, it
doesn't mean you can't, you know, have a great story
and maybe even make a great movie for God's sake
over what you do. But the innocence of it, as
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you said, the ages of those players going up against
the comedies, the whole bit is different. You mentioned it
resonated with you. You're nine years old. What do you remember
about how closely you followed it and how it hit you.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
The win, the win, and how special it was and
how big it was. It was just amazing, like everybody knew,
like what we were up against. And I remember Ruzione's goal.
I remember Mark Johnson's goal at the end of was
it at the end of the second period? That was
that was a huge one. I just how just impactful
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it was and just knowing as a little kid, like
that's what I want to do, did you. I want
to be an Olympic hockey player. I want to us right,
So that Oh that was it.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, that's great, that's great.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I mean hit like a lightning bolt, like it was like,
that's why, that's why I get I got so involved
in USA hockey, and I love it because it all
started with that and those guys like you know, RUZZIONI,
Robbie McClanahan, you'll brought and guys that I know, well
like they're just they're just awesome, and I do I
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put them on a pedestal.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's you know, we were talking. This subject came up
a couple of weeks ago. I was trying to put
into some kind of perspective, admittedly for you know, less
than objective reasons, because I graduated from Indiana University the
football run of Signetti the last two years, and I,
like a lot of people look at it as well,
this has to be for a short period, relatively short period,
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this has to be literally one of the greatest coaching
efforts in the history of all sports. And I started
coming up with, okay, give me some others, and quite frankly,
Herbie Brooks in nineteen eighty was another one.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Now that's even a shorter amount of time, but it
was it.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It to me, it's the same sort of thing where
you find a way to figure something out in short order.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And I want did you ever get to know Herbie
at all? Herb Brooks.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, Herb was my first professional coach when I signed
with When I signed with New Jersey, he was in
Utica and then I played my first full season in
the NHL for Herb, and then I played for him
at the two thousand and two Olympics in Salt Lake City.
So yes, I knew Herb really well, and I you
know what it was. It was cool because I felt
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like I knew two different Herbs, the one in ninety
one ninety two, yes season, and then the one ten
years later in two thousand and two where he had
kind of I don't want to say, well yeah mellows
for lack of better word, and we saw the human
side of him a little bit more in the sense
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of humor, and you know, like he gave everybody a
pen and said, gentlemen, right, you're going to write your story.
You're going to write the story. You're going to write
the ending to this story. And he was just he
was awesome. He was an awesome guy. Like if you
could ever figure him out and did put it. He
was he always he always kept be on your toes. Yeah. Yeah, well,
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and you know what, he was ahead of his time
and a lot of things, and and he was just smart.
He liked being around smart people too.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You know, uh we what you mentioned how different he was,
so the first time around, how what stood out? I mean,
how feisty was he, how difficult was he? Was he
impossible to deal with first time around, because I mean,
you know, the stories are legendary about how difficult, no question,
how talent like that he was considered by a lot
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of people a hockey genius, but also how difficult he
could be also to be around at the same time.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, I mean, it's like when when we were talking
to him, he was talking about like you know, training
and skating and single leg strength and biometrics and all
these things that like, you weren't really in the game yet,
and you know years later that's like how people trained
and he was doing this thirty years ago. He you know,
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he knew the game, like, loved the skill of it, yes,
and hated the you know, there there are parts of
the NHL that are just really simple and and you know,
like we would fight and antagonize and do all this
and that.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And he didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Love that, like it was just he wanted to focus
on the game. And and you know the other thing,
he used really big words that twenty one year old
Bill Garran did not understand. I remember we had a
meeting one night in the cow Palace when San Jose
first came in the league, and he was telling us
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in between periods that our team had no synergy and
we had to find synergy. And he kept putting his
hands like interlocked together and sinking synergy, synergy, synergy. And
he leaves the room and everybody looks at each other
and so, what does anybody know what the hell synergy means?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's so perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Him.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
He was, you know, and obviously, as you know, he
ended up spending a lot of time here. We u
said him on the radio, Billy, you want to talk
about a great interview, and a guy who wasn't afraid
to mix it up would get feisty, get really cranky
with me. I know this will shock you on some occasions,
but just I mean, just it's what you want because
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you don't know what's where it's going to go. And
he's not going to hold a grudge either he's just
gonna if he's mad at he's gonna get out of
his system and move on with with others. It's such
a you know, I still we talked about this. It's
hard for me believe he's been gone as long as
he is. He was so young, you know, the whole story.
It's such a loss, especially here as you know, to
the to the hockey community, like I'd even like him
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being around now, just watching your whole deal and what
you're doing with this team, and you know, it's it's
it's just such a it's a he's one of those
guys who's irreplaceable.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, he is. And it was a tremendous loss. And
you're I would I would love for him to be
around now. Yes, for me to to lean on, right,
to talk to and tips. He was uh an American icon,
you know, I I we It was yeah, very very
tragic in how we lost him.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
All Right, So there's a six. Here's your toss up question.
At this point, do you feel greater pressure as the
president of hockey operations for the Minnesota Wild or as
the guy, the architect, the guy in charge of whatever
happens in Milano for the during the Winter Olympics US
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Hockey team.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Oh man, some days I feel like I'm double tipping
on that. Yes, but yeah, I think right now, probably
for the Olympics, just because you know what, there's been
so much build up and we've been waiting for this
for so long and it's and it's finally here, and
it's the short it's a short tournament, so we got
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we gotta be ready and hit the ground running and
and and ready to go. So I think more more
pressure for that right now.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well, that you hit on the key point for me,
because that's where I want to go next. It's such
a different challenge because there is no easing into it,
right that.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
That's the whole point.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You're you gotta you pretty much got to hit the
hit the ice running pretty hard, or you find yourself
a little bit behind the eight ball. There's no time
to sort of get your your your skates up, the
skates under you.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah. Yeah, And that's that's why, you know what, when
we were building the team and picking it and all
that stuff, I have such a I put such a
great importance on chemistry and and uh, you know guys
that can accept roles and things because we don't have
time to like, we don't have time to go through
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all that stuff. Like, let's just we had good chemistry
at the Four Nations. I'm not going to mess with
that too much because that's that's really an important ingredient
to having success here. So you know, yeah, we just
got to hit the ground running. Man, it's it's going
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to be it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I saw one story online quoting you, I was never
gonna going to make everyone happy. Bill Garan feels the heat.
This story is interesting because he mentions, I don't even
know who the writer is that. Garan has been heavily criticized,
including by is it Nick Suzuki, in recent weeks for
his selection decisions. Garan decided not to select several players
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in the eyes of many analysts, fans truly deserve to
be part of that team. In that sense, he is
feeling the heat. Quote all I know is that I
was never going to make everybody happy. Now, you never
struck me as a guy that's very fearful about that stuff.
You're not afraid to make decisions. But it does feel
like it's a greater burden in a sense because it's
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you know, it's it's it's representing the entire country, not
just the wild. So as you're doing it, are you,
I mean, is it? Did you find it agonizing? Because
these decisions, as you know, they get scrutinized endlessly.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And you know how it's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
If you take care of business in Milano, you're gonna
get praised and you're not gonna hear another word.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
But if it doesn't go your way.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
It's gonna be I don't know, man, here's what, here's
exactly why it was a mistake to leave off so
and so, so and so and so and so.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, and that's gonna come no matter what. Like I mean,
you know that's the thing. Who am I going to
I'm not gonna keep everybody happy. There's a million millions
of people in the world that are gonna be watching this,
and you know, the last thing I'm gonna do too
is take criticism from another player though on another team
like that that play. You know, his teammate got left off,
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so so he's upset and he's gonna support his teammate.
That's fine. Yeah, right, I don't I don't care. But
you know, these are all different decisions, and you know,
what hey, honestly got I really don't care. I don't
care what the media says. I don't care what uh
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you know a fan in a certain market that that
their player was left off the team. I don't care.
All I'm trying to do is put together the best
team for the United States and go over and win.
And you know what, maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong,
but those are the decisions I made.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Have you been assure?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
There's been a lot of stuff written about logistics, right,
and locker rooms and the ice and the rink and
the whole bit.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
In some of those stories. I think I was talking.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
To Louis about this, and he agreed that some of
the media more were more interested in them than others,
because you know, Luis said, you know what the truth
is players, If the locker rooms a little small, the players,
they might moan a little bit, but nobody's gonna care.
It's it's it's not as big the deals we think
it is. But I I assume you know, Arena those
sorts of things all matter. I mean, are you have
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you been assured that all the all the mechanics of
it are going to be okay? Are you worried about
any sort of real challenges in that regard.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I'm not worried about it. Damn thing. I'm not. Because
if it's if it's that way for us, it's that
way for everybody. It isn't even playing field. I could
care less if the locker rooms are small or whatever, Like,
it doesn't matter. What matters is you know what that
we get out there, we can play and the players
are safe and and that's it. You know, all this
other stuff you like, you're right, the media you guys
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like to you know, uh, you know agonize about this. Oh,
the rank's not ready yet, Like it'll get done and
if it doesn't, we'll figure something out.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Well, you want the ice to be safe at least, right,
I mean yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
What I said. Yeah, as long as the players are safe.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Right Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Like what am I going to do?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
What are we going to do? You know? What we
got to do is focus on playing high and winning
our games.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Can you is it possible to be in the position
you're in? And by the way, I know you've embraced
this role. You wouldn't have taken it if you didn't
want the responsibility and the heat. But as it's happening.
Is it almost impossible to enjoy it? Or do you
think you will be able to do that as it's
taking place?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Enjoyed every enjoyed, every day you have?
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Okay, good to hear.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, I don't care like you know what? You want
to bring heat on me? Go ahead, I don't. I
really the good outweighs the bad. You know what, you
can't you know what, Honestly in this world, you can't
keep anybody happy anyway. So I'm just gonna make my
decisions and move along. Enjoy the people that I get
to go through this process with. And you know what,
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I'm representing the United States of America in the game
I love at the Olympics. How could I be How
can I be upset? Or how can I be having
a bad time? This is incredible experience, an incredible honor.
Every day has been good.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That's a very positive attitude you have there. That's impressive.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I hope you can hold on to it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean, if you you know, I mean, that's the
key to it is, is being able to hold onto that.
What are the odds that by the time you guys
wrap up the gold at the Olympics you have already
figured out, even if it's not yet announced, a significant
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trade involving your favorite professional NHL team in the Minnesota
while because everybody's gonna be there, right, I mean, are
you gonna you're gonna be able to think you guys
are gonna have all this time to negotiate.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Aren't you to figure out it? You got to.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Everybody knows you got to bring another big piece before
the deadline.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah. No, not everybody's gonna be there. Oh well, some
people are gonna We're gonna we're gonna focus on We're
gonna focus on. We going to focus on the US
team while we're over there, and we'll yeah, I mean,
it's not too hard to just jump back in, so
we'll be We'll be fine with the wild.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
You have two games left tonight on the fan coverage
begins at about six fifteen, and then I think Wednesday
is the last one right before the break. So give
me the Bill Garren state of the state regarding this
team going into this break.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
How do you feel about your hockey team?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I feel good right now. I feel good about the team.
I think the guys are playing hard, they're playing well.
We played a you a solid game the other night
in Edmonton and you know, took on you know, two
big horses out there and did a really good job.
So just continue that and we'll be okay. I'm happy
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with where we are. We always want to get better,
but I'm things are things are going pretty pretty good.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
That sounds that doesn't even sound that enthusiastic.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I don't want to get ahead of myself either. I mean,
you know, we got we had a lot of hockey
left in front of us.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Is it is it fair to say that the better
you guys play, or the as you have ascended to
the place you've ascended to in the standings, if that
actually makes you even more motivated to try to add
to reward the team by adding one more piece if possible.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, I'm motivated and I would
love to do it. It's just, you know, whatever we
do has got to make sense for us. And you know,
I don't want to make I don't want to make
any stupid moves, but I definitely want to, you know,
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try to to try to add to the team. And
you know, our place in the standings, and more than that,
more than our place in the standings, the way we're
playing is is the motivation, It's not just I mean
the place in the standings comes because of the way
you're playing. So if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It does.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, I think that does make sense because I've always
felt that it's it's I guess understandable, but sometimes dangerous too.
If a team is struggling, say, we need something to
shake us up that I think will put us in
that better spot, because that does has been known to
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happen over the years in various sports. But a lot
of times it's fool's goal that you're asking for more
than that one player can deliver, and that you're not
being honest about the fact that no, no, no, the core
that we have right here, we got to get them
to play better regardless first before we do it. So
to me, to that extent, you're in a good scenario
in that regard.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean that that comes first. I mean
they you know, if they if we continue to go
along like we were in October, that was.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Not happening, right right, good point, Yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And yeah, the way that they played in November or
early December. Yeah, okay, now we're in.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So how do I ask this question delicately in a
way that there's a decent chance you'll answer it.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I'll just ask it, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
So one of the things that's been reported recently, you know,
Louis has talked about this. A lot of people say, okay, well,
if you if there is any hope of adding another
Here's what I've been told by the hockey insiders, they say,
the so called experts. They say, in an odd sense,
when you make a move as big as you already
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did that, you're almost obligated to make sure that move
move is maximized by making one more big move. But
the comeback to that was, well, how many assets do
you have left? At what price? So what I've been
told about the hockey insiders is, here's what's changed. There
might be willingness, if necessary, to move on your young goaltender,
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even if you love them, and even if you don't
want to do it, that if it comes to it,
that might be something you have to consider.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Can you speak to them.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I've always look, I've always said if there's a chance
to make our team better, I will. I've always said that,
and I mean that includes everybody, like right, It's not
just it's not just Wallly. It's not like kids that
kids have stopped. He's he's he's a really good goalie.
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I love putting two goalies in. I love putting goalies
in rested every single night. And that's that's a luxury,
that's a benefit. So I'm not I'm no, I'm in
no rush to do that. I understand these are things
that are thrown out there, that are sold. Like you
(25:12):
know what, it doesn't it doesn't take It doesn't take
much thought to look at our roster and say, like, oh,
they could trade wall seat. Well, no kidding, like, of
course we could. Like it's just that's not like a
bold statement, it's just obvious.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Well, I think, yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I think it's gotten some attention really for two reasons. One,
he's emerged.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Because because it makes sense, here's a tiptick. They already
have a goal here's a chip tick, no kidding.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
But he only becomes a chip because he's playing better, right,
I mean that's part of the story. I think that's
that's part of it. We've already gone way, we're way
past that. We have him traded on this show, and
we have obviously Flower coming back to be the backup
goaltender the rest of the season once you make the
big move to add a front line center.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah, I mean again, those are all things that I
mean when you look at it, yeah, I mean, hey,
we could. There's so many things like that that that
you can go through and just say, oh, what about this?
What about that? Yeah? It makes sense like it does.
I'm not I'm not saying anybody's wrong for thinking that,
(26:33):
but I'm just saying it's it's obvious.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
What actor will Billy Garant choose to play him in
the Miracle two movie? Who should play you? When you
guys take that makes all the sense of the world.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Are you familiar John c Well that?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, that might that might be more like it. That's
possible too. Are you familiar with Lavelle e Neil the Third?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Okay, so we have Lavell on for every Friday. We've
had him on for reguards to you, what do you
think twenty years? He's fifteen, twenty, he's twenty five. For
God's sake, I've been on this too long actually. Anyway,
Lavelle has an interesting theory regarding his Olympic visits. I
used to cover Olympics, but I never was smart enough
(27:26):
to come up with this idea. So the Lavelle Neil
rule of traveling to the Olympics is that inevitably you're
gonna have to come back with some trinkets, right from
some mementos that either you're bringing back to yourselves or
your loved ones, et cetera. So you're going to need
some extra room on the back end on the return journey.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So the Lavell plan to create that room is to.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Leave all of his underwear in his hotel room in
that international Olympic spot, So then that space is available
for trinkets.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Whatever is it possible.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Bill Garon will adopt the Lavelle e Neil the third
underwear rule when he travels to Mlonna.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I don't wear underwear. It's it doesn't help me in
this situation.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I asked.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Behave your socks, that's it. Maybe a couple extra shirts, uh,
will you have? I'm guessing you're gonna have a lot
of requests though, right for like caps and hoodies and
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
You know what, I honestly, I I've been through this before. Yeah,
And you know, the more people you try to take
care of, the bigger pain in the next it is.
I'm sorry, it just is. And I take care of
my family right now. And if I have that something great,
But I'm going over there to work. It's not our
(28:50):
I'm not going to the Olympics like that. I'm going
as I'm working.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
That's probably what people love this team want to hear.
Although I will admit Guardi and I were kind of
hoping maybe for a really cool US Olympic Hockey team
hoodie or like a post or something.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, oh god, that would be I mean, there's.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Another idio personality that you know very well that's asked
for things too, And I'm gonna give you the same
answer that I gave him.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Uh huh No, not a chance.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Do we get like a discount like team USA dot
com is, or like a code we can use to
get off. Well even even Louis I thought brought me
back something from one of the Olympics. That's true, he does.
That's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
That explains it, that actually explains it. Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
All right, Well you're what are you leaving Thursday? So
our not request, but demand is if we can't get
a hoodie, if if you're not going to give a
phone call.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
We gotta have like, how long does the competition go on? Actually?
Is it twelve days? More than that?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah? Gold medal games of twenty seconds.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Okay, so I get it. You're busy, You're gonna have
other priorities. But we have to have you on the
ground there at some point, like I don't know, once twice,
and we could keep it shorter, like if you say,
all right, I'll give you eight minutes. We're not gonna
do the our usual thirty minute Wagnerian opera.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Whatever works for you.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
We will work with your people and you because you
will be a great resource for us, and we're gonna
be watching this stuff start to finish.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
So yeah, we might be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
All right, we'll figure something out your tech, your your
phone will work there. I can at least bug you
and text you and you can ignore me that way.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, my phone will work there.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Excellent.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Will are you staying at palatial? Like what are the digs?
Are you in like a pashon Tony location?
Speaker 3 (30:49):
No, not quite pash Tony, but seriously it'll be nice.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, safe travels. We really appreciate the time. Best of
luck to the club. I know you're looking forward to
it all looking forward to it and thanks for the
time as always.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You got it, my friend, appreciate your talk.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
So thanks man.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
That is the president of hockey operations for your favorite
hockey team.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
This on a while.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
We of course, are the home of the Wild as
soon as tonight at six fifteen.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Back in just a.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Minute, A number of people very pleased with the Garren
(31:50):
underwear answer. It was I don't know, and I didn't
want to press on it because it's not any of
my business. But I don't know if it's a true answer,
but it's a good answer regarding Commando given I'm sure
they got people's attention. Lavelle back you know.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Backstory yep.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Regarding just leaving all of his uh underwear in, I
think it was Beijing, yes, in that case. So the
other thing I'd say about it is, I'm guessing the
Team USA shipping policy is a little bit more liberal
and a little more inviting than.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
The Star Tribunes shipping policy.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I'm guessing if Team USA staff wants to send something
back like a steamer trunk, even one extra steamer trunk, yeah,
I'm guessing they're taking care of in that regard. Just
a hunch you might be right for that actor for
Billy Garran in a Miracle two. A Danny McBride, who's
at Oh Danny McBride, Yeah, he's in east Bound and Down.
(32:44):
You'd recognize him. He's got That would be a humane
good one. John c Riley was actually a pretty good
one too. I thought, yeah, let me ask you this well,
he mentioned, Yeah, I showed.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I showed.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You know, it's hard when you work here, especially everything's
a bit right, like literally everything. We just did the
Lavelle underwear a bit with the wild president of hockey Ops.
So Louis yesterday and Louis should join us tomorrow. Tweeted
about the Netflix documentary on the nineteen eighteen that everybody's
talking about right, and said it's spectacular. Everybody should watch it.
(33:16):
And I had it in the chamber in the reply
to Luigi who played you? But he's still so mad,
he is, he's still bitter about it about who played
him in the Miracle movie where he talked about that.
He walked out of the premiere and he's never watched
it since I deleted it. I showed some restraint, I said,
because Louise on this high from watching the Netflix saying,
(33:38):
and so I said, should I try to get him going?
Because I thought it was a good It would have
been a good way to get him going, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But there's also some things you don't want, you know.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You could say that for when he starts getting cocky
about the weather and mocking what we're enduring.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Because he's looking at swaying palm.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Trees right right, you know where you have you feel
some vulnerability and you don't feel sorry for him at all,
And then you have it in your back pocket if
you want to go back to it.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Is it a long doc? Is it a couple hours?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I don't know that, but it's as Billy said to
Russo it's on my list as well. I think for
a little bit later. This yek very sarcastically too. I
want to see it. The issue is the obvious. You know,
there's been so many done, what's left? And sometimes there
can be some new stuff. Somebody had texted that there's
some new video and maybe some newer interviews. That's the question.
(34:28):
Can you is there a different angle to carve out?
Seems like there was that has not yet been explored,
and if you can find one, then all the better
because the story is timeless.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I mean, the story. If the story.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Fades, it's just going to because fewer people can relate
to it directly because it didn't happen in their lifetime.
And you know, he reminded us Billy garn was nine
years old. I was not covering. I think I would
have been in Louisville then, So I was working the
copy desk, so I wasn't doing any covering any games
or anything like that. So and again, Louisville was not
(35:01):
you know at the time, wasn't I still not, I
don't think a hockey mecca.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
So it's kind of a.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Little bit harder to follow there than it might have
been other places. I am envious, you know, I've had
I've had good fortune to cover a lot of great
stuff and many Olympics over the years, and a lot
of other great sporting events. You know, the the the
Carl Lewis Ben Johnson one hundred meter dash in Seoul.
I can remember it like yesterday. Man, that moment is
(35:27):
just seared in my head, that scene. To be able
to cover that and be to be a part of
that's tremendous. But I really do envy the people who
were covering Lake Placid for sure, and maybe didn't even know,
you know that it was going to end up being
what it was, because there are a lot you know,
it wasn't I don't think it was even though it
was in the United States. I don't think it was
(35:48):
covered by everybody nationally, but the people.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Who are there and to have that memory what that whole.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Village must have been. Like, I covered hockey, I covered
a gopher frozen four. Yeah, in Lake Placid. I remember,
in fact, I flew through Montreal to get there, and
the scene was great even then because that you had
that sense of history.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
But to actually be there for that thing.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I saw a tweet from I think it's Mike Lupeka,
the longtime New York Daily News les Gary Commness. We
covered all of it. Yep, I was Rosen there. I
thought Rosen was there. I mean he only tells us weekly. Yeah,
he was there, and actually his face appears in this documentary.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
It does.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I think after one of the games, like a scrum
and interviewed scrum.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I think he's kind of on the bench. And that's
the other thing for a Minnesota media member. Yes, I'm
sure that's why he was there. He's there, he was
covering that. Yeah, all the Minnesota connections, there's so many
of them. Yes, so it made a lot of sense.
So yeah, you can see young Rosen Meetsa's text had said,
it's ninety minutes and it's perfect.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Perfect what he said.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well, I, you know, I did cover the eighty four
Winter Olympics that was in Sarajevo, and it was a
good story in of itself because I heavily concentrated on
the team that follows and the pressure obviously that it fed.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Didn't It didn't go well. I even think they got to.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
The metal round. I don't remember, but it was not good.
Lou Vero was the coach. He was a wreck by
the end of he was a mess. It was impossible
to live up obviously to that standard. But because of
what eighty had done, that was the storyline. All right,
can we have another one of those, say okay, let's
just almost like it's a matter of course.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
And it didn't.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
The scene was great, but it didn't go very well
for the US team at all on that occasion. Let's
get caught up and we'll get to a number of
texts on a number of very controversial subjects when we return.
Just announced today, Dave Chappelle returns to Minnesota February sixteenth
through a very special guest clips.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Don't miss out on this one.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
It's a one off, one of a kind set Grand
Casino Arena in Saint Paul and tickets go on sale
tomorrow at noon. All the details are at cafean dot
com keyword calendar. Good show planned for tomorrow. Kevin Seffert
(38:18):
will join I'm Hoping in studio at three point thirty
and then a rare Hostile League in studio appearance from
Aaron Gleman. That's four thirty four yep, so back to
back Seaffert and then Gleaman and I mentioned this on
sermons that we ended up spending almost the entire time
(38:42):
on the culture chasm and not so much on the
Twins story. I think because well it's I think the
reasons are kind of obvious that it's so much harder
to want to invest in anything the Twins are aren't doing.
It so hard to tell exactly what they are and
aren't doing at this point. They send so many mixed
(39:05):
messages and now you're, you know, getting rid of Falvey
two weeks before in effect, I know as mutual two
weeks before or even less. I think before spring training
that when you don't think there's as much at stake,
it just doesn't feel very vital, right. But that's Cleman's
(39:26):
job to continue to pay attention to I mean, he
may still pay attention from Afar to the Timberwolves and
the Vikings, especially the Wolves. Yep, but this is what
he covers, so it will be I will I am
curious to get I've read some of the stuff he's written,
but I'm curious to get his view on how you
read the tea leaves here and where this might be headed.
(39:48):
And I guess my number one question for Cleman might
be why the latest poll ad seems so cock sure
of what the team's go to do this season? Basically
keeps saying we're gonna just watch, just watch it wait
until September. September, So maybe he's seeing it clearly. Maybe
(40:09):
he should be the guy in charge of the baseball operation.
I'm not sure, but Gleaman pays obviously a lot of
attention to who we've added and who we don't have,
and he doesn't simply make it about payroll, even though
payroll clearly tells part of the story because you're you're
you know, your margin for error is reduced as dramatically
(40:31):
as it is. But the bottom line is there's still,
despite the Vikings disappointment, great interest in the Vikings, And
right now there's a great deal of apathy regarding the Twins.
And I, I don't know, I have a hard time.
I mean, you know, the levelle theory, the Lavelle theory
(40:53):
is all they're really doing that even though they walked
away from from sell this last time after declaring that's
what you're gonna do, he believes they're going to do
it again. He thinks they're going to wait, yeah, to
watch baseball get into a more viable financial position. Thereby,
one would presume making all these franchises more attractive, worth
(41:16):
more money, and that at that point they're going to
come back to it again, once they've not necessarily improved
the team, but just improve their chances to make more
money on the deal, Yes, and then sell at that point.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I think that's exactly what's happening.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Because the more you think about it, these magical minority investors,
the limited partners, Yes, they just gave us a half
a billion dollars to wipe off the debt, because they're
all good dudes to.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Could gig of you and get it, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, Like, what's their incentive if you're not going to
make money this season or next season because of the
product that you're putting on the field and the payroll
that regional stuff, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
So because otherwise rich people don't just give away their
money for nothing. There's got to be something at the
end of it. So that's kind of my thinking is, hey, yeah,
help us with the debt, you'll get it back and
then some when we come back.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Well, we can only count the days.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Unfortunately, when they gave us that opening and belief that
they were going to do it before and then let
us down, I'm not sure from a public standpoint, they'll
ever recover from that. I mean, the only way you
get past that is you want a world series, And
that'd be a hell of a story if they find
some way to do it with a Hey on Netflix,
(42:32):
what do we at now at one hundred mil? In
that range right around there.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I'd like to tell you I care enough to check
into it. But that's what I've read. Even relative to
other teams in the league, and relative to the pie
that's out the pot of gold that's out there, it
doesn't make any sense. We all know the story about
the regional money, you know, being what probably fifty mil.
And now maybe they're getting a buck fifty. We don't
know exactly what they're getting. They've never told us, which
(42:56):
always makes me wonder whether it's a little bit more
than we think is. Here's the so Fauve surfaced, right,
and we'll get to this with Gleaman tomorrow. Didn't he
surface with a couple of the Jackals afterwards? He did
on Friday? Yeah, Yeah, he did some kind type of
zoom or something. The question is whether, and maybe he
strikes me this guy was maybe never going to go
(43:17):
scorch to Earth. But I'm wondering if down the road,
you know, because that seemed to be pretty upbeat, right,
It wasn't. There wasn't a lot of bitterness to it,
and there wasn't a lot of savagery associated with it.
We had honest conversations about the direction and deep discussions
and intentional discussions.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
It was very falve esque.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, and we came to the realization that the partnership
might not be beneficial for both parties, and we had.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Those honest dialogues.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Is he going to surface elsewhere eventually in a one
on one and is Quazy going to emerge?
Speaker 2 (43:50):
My guess is not.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Seems he's always been hesitant through all of this stuff, right,
But then my question is is it would seem only
human that it's some point as you see your name
dragged through the mud, not just for stuff that you
are responsible for, but for stuff that was definitely a
collaboration and definitely shared. Regarding the quarterback stuff, which we'd
examined heavily the first hour and change of the show,
(44:14):
and then again with Alec Lewis, you'd think it, you know,
Mike kick in and go wait a minute now now.
Then again, Mike Zimmer never did it, so that's true.
You know, maybe you know, he'll say it's not worth it,
or I'll go in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I don't need to fight this fight.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Some people have and I didn't get this to this
with Alec claimed that there was another coach on another team,
either another coach or GM, who said that one of
the biggest mistakes the quasy made was acknowledging his mistakes,
and maybe there's some truth to that.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Maybe to that extent he was too honest where he
said about looking back on the Darnel thing. I think
he said, well, you go through your paces and do
the things, and then you do kind of regret the
way some things came out.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I don't really buy that unless you think your bosses
are watching and going was does this guy know what
he's doing? But E would think in any review situation. Yeah,
like you would think that would have come up internally anyway.
You know that Lacy tells the Wilfs or whoever. Andrew
Miller the president A. Yeah, you learned some things as
you go through this. Like I read that and I said,
(45:16):
well that so you're just supposed to never give anything
and just never admit that you made a mistake. Ever,
that doesn't seem productive either. Yeah, that's especially if we
all know, Like to me, that was a good acknowledgment
that we're all watching. We all see the few amount
of players that were drafted by Clacy that are actually participating.
It's not like he could fool anybody and say no,
(45:37):
it was actually way better than you thought, So I
actually liked that he said, Yeah, we learned some stuff,
we moved through some stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Well, it always is easy to say what the anonymous
guy said after the fact. You don't give them, don't
give them an opening, you know, you don't let them
dance on your grave that way. Did it really have
any impact? I'm not sure. I tend to think it
probably wouldn't have mattered whether he'd been more careful or
had you know, whether he was that director had been
more careful about his response. Top of the hour break
(46:04):
will come back, wrap things up, prepare for wild hockey,
and give you a little glimpse of what we have
coming up later in the week and what you missed earlier.
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Speaker 1 (46:31):
Dan Minnesota writes. The new Miracle documentary is good. Some
new footage and the players watching the footage and commenting
is also a good touch. But the original HBO Do
You Believe In Miracles still holds.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Its own in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I don't even remember the original HBO one.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I'll take Dan Minnesota's word for it. The time to
watch both, but it.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Might be a good time, yeah, to to watch both.
That's that's very true. I went to a Thank god,
you're sitting down when I tell you this. I went
to see a motion picture in a movie theater the
other day.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
There were tickets available. There were tickets.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Available, I want to say probably there were. Well, it's
interesting when I looked at tickets available the day before,
literally zero had been sold. Then three hours before the show,
there were still zero sold. And I'm thinking we're gonna
(47:40):
be GIEVONZI, not gonna be the only ones in the theater.
But then when we got there there were i'd say
maybe ten others in the in the theater.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Not bad.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
And I got to tell you because I mean, like
most people, I've gotten used to not doing it and
out of the half bit of doing it, and we
enjoyed ourselves.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Going back to me. Yeah, and this is a sequel.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
I don't know many of it in our audience saw
the original. I think it's called Greenland and that has
nothing to do with the Donald Trump story. Just in case. Yeah, Uh,
it's a sequel. To an action end of the world
kind of drama.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
In fact, I'll have to look up the name of
the of the sequel. But I liked it a lot.
I thought it was you know, sequels usually are pain
the ass. They're usually not you know, worthy of the original.
But I thought it was very good. It's called Greenland
to my migration, Migration, and it stars I'm a big
(48:52):
Gerard Butler, guy who is in that kind of film.
He's terrific in it, and so that it's his family
they were in the original, and it's it's years later.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
It updates the story. And I thought it was really good.
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
We we both enjoyed every Now again, that movie kind
of means something to us too. We used to watch
it all the times, one of those we watch over
and over. But I thought it was really good, and
it did kind of come back to me, Man, this
is stay bad.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
You know, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
We didn't have anybody next to us, which is important
for me. The corn was okay, you know, it wasn't great,
but yeah, yeah, I think that. I think the tickets
were like twenty and the food was forty seven something
like that.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, I'm sure and all we got was two popcorns.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
I think she got a suite of some sort and
we got two smart waters.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I think that's what.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
I think.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
It was literally like like forty some I believe it,
but I obviously the industry hasn't come back, has it. No,
not in that form, obviously, Yeah, I and for all
I know, it's already in an HP, you know, like
on one of the payout let's the streaming stream channels services.
(50:09):
But I really liked it Greenland too. Did you see
what's doing well despite getting panned by the critics, which,
what's that the Ivanka film Millennia mean.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
May That's right, that's right, not Avanka. That's a different story.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yes, it's And somebody said, like they have side by
side the Rotten Tomatoes score, which is like the critics,
which is like eight percent, and then the viewers the
film goers score, which is like ninety seven percent. And
somebody's headline was, this is just like the election. It's
(50:47):
true and there's some truth to it. Yeah, And I
have no idea if it's any good whatever, but I'm
sure will give us his review on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
He probably will. That's very very true, Davy. But yeah,
I enjoyed.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Uh the we saw a sequel over the weekend of
ja House too. Yeah it is Utopia. That's a good
one for the week.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Ye oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
We purchased it in the House Saturday night, twenty nine
ninety nine, whatever it is, and now we have it forever,
which is great.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
It's great.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
It's a good sequel, very good sequ's actually done hard
to top's Utopia one. They were right up there, right there, Yeah,
they were right up there. It was a good film.
Quazy takes the Fall, koc telling all media jackals throwing
everything against the wall.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Wolves and five. That's Alan from Often.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
David from Marshall is disappointed that I didn't ask Bill
ghon the following question, would he be interested in also
being the Vikings general manager?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
That's that bad. Frustrated. See if I had one other one.
Speaker 1 (51:52):
By the way, really good lineup today that included Alec Lewis.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
At four point thirty.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
In the three o'clock our Johnny Athletic File to Live
report from Memphis. He is tracking the Wolves not because
this is a particularly sexy matchup with the decimated Grizzlies,
but because trade deadlines upon us are close to it
it'll be Thursday at two Central, YEP. And that's why
I think he's tracking the team, not only there, but
didn't he say Toronto next Toronto just in case? Because
(52:20):
the Wolves are as he confirms, and as we've talked about,
that's my information as well, heavily involved in trying to
see if there is a path to get Great Freak
to come to Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
I mentioned this yesterday. You'll appreciate this.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
It's an underrated part of the story that newer Wolves
fans cannot probably appreciate the notion that we take for
granted that a world class two time MVP winning basketball
player is perfectly willing and maybe even about the prospect
(53:02):
of any ending up with this franchise. People who haven't
been around this team from the beginning are close to it,
have no idea how absurd in that context it sounds.
It's it's one of those things that's beyond any sort
of comprehension. If you go through the first most of
the first thirty years this franchise and now it's oh yeah, well, yeah,
(53:24):
I wouldn't we, which tells us that we are, if
nothing else, literally a credible franchise. Even if we don't
have a title yet. Tweet from at Guardsey January twenty ninth.
Giannis is interested in becoming a Timberwolf. Odds are slim,
but that in itself says a lot about the procession
of the club's future, with ants, Yeah, it's yeah, you totally.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
Not to be taken for granted. It is something to
be treasured and I know you do. Also today, great
conversation with Bill garn if you missed it, he joined
between five and five thirty. Good Olympic stuff, good miracle stuff,
a little bit of everything. He reminded us how as
a nine year old kid that run in Lake Placid
(54:05):
stuck with him from the very beginning. He will not
be bringing us anything back, and he will not be
bringing us anything back, and don't beg and don't ask,
and he doesn't wear underwear.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
He also confirmed that as well.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Lack of context there probably, but there is contextual issue
related to the question if.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
You podcast tomorrow is Seaffert in studio? Who else?
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Gleaman Cleman in studio and in Florida, mostly Florida, so
not standing lineup.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
We'll talk to you tomorrow three o'clock
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