May 5, 2026 • 44 mins
Dan is joined by longtime friend and music legend Jimmy Jam Harris to talk about the big news that Jimmy and Terry Lewis are bringing their show to the Minnesota State Fair this year!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You know, I'm with Minnesota. I got Minnesota back at
all time.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well I haven't the Edwards said it last night, but
it could be about our next guest too, Jimmy jam
Harris kind enough to join us via the Connectico Water
Systems Hotline to talk about a bunch of stuff, including
the great mission to get together the Minnesota State Fair.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
How are you, sir?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm great, man, How are you? I mean, it couldn't
be better. I mean between the State Fair and the
Wolves win how about that and a bunch of stuff
in between. But man, yeah, it's a good day.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You got a lot of good stuff. You guys got
a lot of good stuff going. But let's start with
the State Fair announcement. You're part of the twenty twenty
six Grandstand Concert Series. I think the date is Saturday,
Og twenty nine. You and Terry a celebration of the
Minneapolis Sound for the grand Stand Concerts Series. How did
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this all come together?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, we had been talking to the State Fair for
a few years, but we hadn't Terry and I hadn't
actually started our live performances yet. That we kind of
talked about that. It was kind of a dream come
true to play there. I mean I grew up you know,
playing in you know, obviously local bands in the Twin
Cities type of thing, and we would always play little,
small places, and we'd always go to the fair and
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go to concerts and those types of things, and it
was kind of a dream, you know, and kind of
a bucket list thing, one of those you know, what
haven't you done that you still want to do things?
And they contacted us this year and because we had
just done at that point in time, we had done
some shows in Japan and we had just were getting
ready to do our Las Vegas residency, it just felt
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like the timing was right and everything worked out and
we were able to get yesters from a lot of
people that we wanted to have as part of it,
and I think it just was the right alignment.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, it makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Can you give us a sense of some of the
names and maybe in the approach that you are, I'm
sure still thinking and planning, and there's a lot of
time for you to get to that place, But give
me some idea of what you guys's vision is for
this thing.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Well, I think you know, two of the things that
it kind of says, which is homecoming, which it definitely
is for Terry and I and I always say we
love a good excuse to come back home, so this
is a great one. Also a celebration of the Minneapolis sound.
But we also realized that all of these songs are
basically made in Minnesota, so we're kind of calling it
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made in Minnesota. And it's similar to what we did
in we just got them doing in Vegas, where it
was basically we called that nothing but hits. And the
thing we kind of realized is we're performing all of
those songs, was that every one of those songs pretty
much you could say, was made in Minnesota. So I
just thought that was a perfect way to frame everything.
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And then as far as the acts that are concerned,
we've been working very closely over the last couple of
years with both American Idol winner Ruben Stuttered and Star
Sars winner Shanice Wilson. And the reason is because they're
versatile and they can basically sing everything. So in our
catalog of songs, whether it's you know, an Alexandro O'Neil
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or an Usher or Johnny Gill or whatever that is,
they can, you know, Ruben can handle that. And if
it's a you know, a Janet song or a Charelle
song or whatever, then you know, you know, Shawnese can
handle that. But in this case we're able to actually
have some of those people, So Johnny Gill will actually
be there from New Edition and you know those you
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know that New Edition record was actually recorded in the
Twin Cities, and so to have Johnny Gill, to have
Ralph Tresmen and people like that, that was really important.
You can't do a show about the Minneapolis sound without
including Morris a Day, but in this case Day and
Jerome Binton, who happens to be Terry's brother, and Jerome
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came and performed with us in Vegas, which was wonderful.
It was funny because Jordan Knight from New Kids on
the Block is going to join us, and we did
kind of his biggest hit record back in the day too,
So it's just going to kind of be, I guess,
if I could say a Minnesota word, a smortage board
of acts, and it's just gonna be a lot of fun.
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And yes, we're still putting it together. I mean there's
acts that have been announced, but trust me, we're still
talking to a bunch of other folks, and it's just
going to be a celebration. And the other thing I
want to stress in Vegas when we did our residency,
we called it nothing but hits. But what I pointed
out to people is that Terry and I don't really
make hits. We just make music, and the people that
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love the music and buy it, whether you know in
our day it's cassettes or eight tracks or vinyl or
whatever that delivery system is, it's the people that really
make those hit rec So it's really a celebration of
the people. And that's what we're looking forward to doing
in our hometown.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That's such a great idea. Yeah, it'd it'd be something
for us to talk about and look forward to. Really,
like we say, we with the you know, the joke
on this shows the state fairs right around the corner,
and that's sort of how it feels. And it'll it'll
catch up, it'll it'll get here fast. But it's such
a natural, uh, it just it makes all the sense
of the world. I'm glad that that that worked out.
I know there's going to be a lot of folks
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who are state fair regulars are going to be very
very excited about about that news. You mentioned the residency.
I'm always curious to know how those things go. You
did it at the at the Voltaire, at the Venetian
right in in Vegas, So.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
How long does it go? What was that experience?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Like?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
How different is it for you? How did you find it?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I found it wonderful because you know, it was a
few things for us. One is kind of getting back
to our roots of performing. I mean, as we started
off in local bands in Minnesota, that was the way
we started. You know, Terry had Flight Time, I had
a band called Mind and Matter, and you know, we
would battle to the band's type of thing, and we
eventually joined forces and that became the time. But it
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kind of takes us back to our roots of doing
that which we really like, which is performing. I mean,
before we were writers and producers, we were just musicians.
And one of the fun that Vegas for me was
watching how much fun Terry was having because he just said, hey,
I just get to be a bass player. Now I
don't have to worry about all the other stuff. So
it was a lot of fun. We did six nights
in Vegas. We were at capacity all of the nights.
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We actually sold out the last three totally. And now
there's some talk about I just as a matter of fact,
I read in one of the Vegas papers recently that
there's talks about adding ten more shows to what we
just did, maybe in August. So yeah, we'll see. It
was a great experience, and you know, each there were
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some people literally that came to all six shows. Like
we would look in the audience and it would be
the same people that came to all six shows. And
we would switch the shows up every once in a
while to see who came, Like and Nesby from Sounds
of Blackness came one of the days, Chante Moore came
one of the days. I'm trying to think, let us
Ee came one of the days. Saint Paul from the
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Family came one of the days, which was very cool.
And so anyway, yeah, we had different guests every night
that would come out, and it would switch the show up.
And I even go back and do a little DJ set,
which is kind of cool because that's one of the
other things I did in Minneapolis was I was a
djh That's how I got the name Jimmy jam was
that was my DJ name. So it was kind of us,
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you know, once again as smartas board of a whole
bunch of different things. But the concept works so well
that we were going to bring a lot of those
elements to what we do at the State there.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
What's the venue like.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
In Vegas. Yes, it's beautiful. It's about a thousand seats.
It's very elegant, it's very elevated. There's not a bad
seat in the house, which is great. There's kind of
what was interesting is there's this long kind of runway
I guess you could say that goes to the center
of the place. And it was kind of cool because
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when we had them, we had Roland the company. Roland
built us this little tiny grand piano that they could
set on the stage and then we would basically play
name that tune, we'd take audience requests, we'd do this
whole thing, so we really were able to utilize the
whole theater. And then Ruben Stuttered and Shanice Wilson, they
would go out in the audience and actually sing songs
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from the audience type of thing. So it was very inclusive.
I guess I would say, I don't think anybody from
wherever you were sitting felt like they had a bad seat.
And so it was intimate enough, like I say, a
thousand people, intimate enough to feel like you were really getting,
you know, a good experience, but you know, but energetic
enough where when everybody got on their feet, it was
just an all out party.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It sounds like the best kind of like you say,
the best of both world where you're not you don't
feel like you're in a huge arena, but still you know,
decent sized and good, you know, good atmosphere in that environment.
And I'm assuming the music sounds better too.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It can be.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, we got so many compliments on the sound. Yeah,
I mean that was one of the things everybody, you know, afterwards,
people we saw afterwards, we're complimenting the sound. And you know,
we have a good crew of folks that really do
that and really pay attention to that. And I'm a
little biased, but I think we perform the songs, you know,
as well, if not better, then the artists that would
normally perform them because we know all the secrets that
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went into the production. You know, we know how it's
actually supposed to sound, and we're really very diligent about
doing the songs the way they were on the record.
I think that people want to sing along, they want
to have those memories, they want to take the time travel,
and we want to make it in a way where
it's familiar. It sounds great. You know, we'll switch a
few things up, but we want to get everybody on
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the same page. That was one of the things we
were able to do.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
And you and Terror back at the top of the
R and B charts. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah? So we just worked with kay Lannie on her
album and it was very cool because her single, she
had a single called Folded last year that actually won
a couple of Grammys, and I got a chance to
actually give her the Grammys. It happened on the what
they call the premiere telecast that happens before the network show,
and I got to hand her to R and B Grammys,
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and we ended up getting a chance to actually work
together on her album, which is her self titled album.
It's just called Kaylanie and it's number one on the
R and B charts this week. And we did a
song with her and Brandy together and they never had
worked together, but Kaylanie wanted to do something with Brandy
and the song that they ended up doing was you
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know Terry and My song so very very kind of cool.
And a couple of weeks ago we had the number
one R and B single with a a gentleman named Tank,
and Tank had a number one song called Control, but
it was based on Janet's Control, which is forty years
old this year, a lot of interesting alignment going on.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
The assumption I advise Hatty is that more people want
to work with you than you could possibly work with
from a scheduling standpoint.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Is that about right? Do you have to turn people down? Sometimes?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, we turn people down, but it's more of a thing.
The way I always look at it is if we
feel like it's a project that we should do or
that we are the best people to do the project,
we're totally into doing the project. And so a lot
of times if we say no to something, it's simply
it's never a straight no, it's always a I don't
know whether we're the right people for it, but you
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know who would be good would be and then we
turn them on to someone else. So we've done that
a lot of times. The other thing is, I think
we might have talked about it before, is Terry and
I have a theory which is called getting past old,
and it's kind of like when you have an old
phone or you have an old car. You have something
and it basically gets old, which means it gets discarded,
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and you know that kind of thing. Well, and my
old period happened when our kids were both in high school.
Our last batch of kids were in high school, so
we got a chance when our phone wasn't totally ringing
off the hook. We got a chance to, you know,
go to basketball games, go to dance recitals, and do
that and really be a part of our kids' lives.
When our kids graduated. That's when we did the Unbreakable
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album with Janet, which opened at number one, and all
of a sudden, now with this resurgence of eighties and
nineties music, people come to us, like the singer Her
a few years back. We performed on the Grammys with her,
but she wanted that ninety sound, and she sampled a
song called Making Mother in the Rain by Herb Alpert
and couldn't get the sample cleared. So we ended up
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replaying the song because we know how to play it,
and it ended up going number one. And so what
happens is all of a sudden, that old watch or
that old whatever you put in old phone or whatever,
all of a sudden becomes vintage. It's still old, but
it's just nicer words to go with. Vintage and legendary
and iconic and all that. Those are the things that
are associated with us now. Is people try to create
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the nineties vib like, Kaylanie, you like, we're the people
to come to.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
That's not bad, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm also reminded that New York Times magazine just had
a piece of laying out their list of the thirty
greatest songwriters, and you guys are on that list too,
and you've won, you know, you've won myriad awards, but
I assume you had to get you guys had to
derive some satisfaction from from being on that list and
some of the and the nice things that were said,
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we're written, I should say on your behalf.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, that was very cool. Well, first of all, it's
a great company to be in. And it's funny because
we were we were we were literally were just with
Stevie Wonder a few days ago because we're working on
a Gamble Huff and Tom Bell documentary, right, and we
had Yeah, we're we're directing that. And so we had
Stevie in as a as a thing, and that was
one of the things he said, he said, Hey, we're
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in the same club here, and I say, but you know,
it's the thirty greatest American living American songwriters as the
way they I think they term it or something like that,
And you know, there's a lot of debate on whether
you should be in, whether you should be out, whatever
that thing is. What I like is there's a conversation
being had about songwriters because I think in the whole
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music ecosystem, the songwriters are the ones that, for better
or worse, they suffer the most. Because, you know, if
you're a live act, you can go out and perform
like we're doing now, if your producers you get you know,
your royalties from production and from streaming and all those
types of things. But you can also you know, if
you're an artist, obviously you can still go out and
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do live shows and get endorsements and partnerships and all
those types of things. If you're the songwriter, basically you're
dependent totally on the royalties and the way in the
streaming economy the royalties are really really low and so
I think it's an important conversation to have just to
remember the songwriters. I always my analogy is always that
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they're like the farmers. You know, if you go have
a great meal at a restaurant, you thank the chef,
and the chef says, yeah, that's great, But nobody thinks
the farmers who had to actually grow the food in
order for the chefs to be able to do what
they do. So I think it's an important thing. What
I think it's a great discussion to have, whether you
agree with us being there or not, that songwriters are
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really important and without the songwriters, there are no songs.
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
It should never be forgotten. It's an important lesson. You're
one hundred percent right. I like the way the writer,
one of the writers put it there, talking about your
time with Janet. I wanted to get your reaction if
you agreed with the description. Here, three different albums, three
different ideologies. Many pop stars would go songwriter, producer shopping
for such rebrands, but it's a testament to the flexibility
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of Jam and Lewis. The Janet could invent so many
new selves in their care stylistics, Wings came easily to
the producing pair. How conscious were you of that then?
You know of of you know, basically revealing I guess,
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different sides of her. And how challenging is that to
do it when I'm assuming all the record companies say
just do like that last one, do another control and
we'll be happy.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
How did that go? What do you when you look
back on all that?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Well? Yeah, I mean the record companies are really good
at taking something that's already done and then going just
do another one of those. So we never did that,
and we didn't do that really with any of the artists.
That really never was our interest in doing that. I
will tell you about a conversation that I had with
a gentleman named Peter Asher. And he's been associated with
the Beatles and a whole lot of great great UK producer,
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songwriter and everything. So Peter Asher did all the Linda
Bronsnett albums. And when I say all of them, he
did all of the albums. And I remember sitting behind
him at the Grammys Terry and I were nominated and
I said, mister Asher, I said, I'm Jimmy jim. He says, yes,
I know who you are. And I said, Oh, it's
it's nice to meet you. I said, can I ask
you a question? They say yes, And I said, you've
been working with Linda Ronstead for like twenty years. And
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I said she's done country albums, rock albums, orchestral albums,
Spanish language albums, like she's done the whole gamut. I said,
how do you do that longevity? Like, how does that work?
And I can't remember exactly what he said, so I'm
paraphrasing a little bit, but he basically said, artists like
to go all over the whole road. He said, you
just need to be the guardrails on each side to
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just kind of nutch them back into the thing, but
let them do what they want to do. And I
took that advice and we've been working It's a fortieth
anniversary of Control this year, so we've been working with
Janet for forty years. And that advice that Peter Asher
said to us was when Janet would come to us
and say, Hey, I want to work with an opera singer,
I want to work with an electric violinist. I want
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to work with Chuck Dee from Public Enemy. We never
were like, oh, that's crazy. We were like Okay, let's
figure out how to do it. So it's basically just
problem solving, and Janet's not a problem, so it's her
creativity actually made it really easy for us to go
from you know, a pop smash to an R and
B record to all of the things that she wanted
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to do. And we had the great environment of Minnesota,
particularly on the first those first three Janet albums that
we did Control, Rhythm Nation and the Janet Album were
pretty much recorded solely in Minneapolis. So we have freedom
of Minneapolis, and she had the freedom of Minneapolis where
she could move around in a way where she didn't
have to have bodyguards, she didn't have to do all that,
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and I think all of that played into it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
No question about that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
We're chatting with Jimmy jam Harris on a number of
different subjects and we'll give you some information. Remind you
that tickets are already on sale, by the way, for
their big appearance at the State Fair. We'll give you
details on that in a minute. You know, I think
we were chatting with Mike and Nor, the Wolves lead
assistant from San Antonio, after their victory last night. You
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obviously continue to follow your favorite professional basketball team as well.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well. Give me a sense of what you.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
See or have seen from Afar in kind of a
strange season again where there was great frustration that they
were back in the sixth seed and that they weren't
taking the season seriously enough, and then they take care
of business against Denver almost going away, despite the fact
that they're down, you know, for the game six, they're
three their three main wing players are not even available,
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and then they win Game one in San Antonio.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
What are you seeing? What do you think?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I just see a sense of belief and a sense
of calmness. I think it starts with the coach, but
it's guys that I don't know. They seem very even keel.
They don't seem to get down on themselves when things
are going bad, and they don't seem to really get,
you know, super up on themselves when things are going good.
I mean there's been because there were losing streaks, there
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were winning streaks during the season, the fact that the
roster had to change so much because of injury, and
by the way, that has to happen with a lot
of teams, I mean, where they change things. But what
it does is it gives the guys. You know they
always say the next man up, Well, the next man
up has gotten opportunities to actually get some meaningful minutes
and meaningful games. And now when you look at the team,
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it's not just the seven man rotation. It really wasn't
through the whole season because it couldn't be, but it's
really not now. And so you have guys that are involved,
and I think the coaching staff does a great job
of making sure guys are prepared and they're prepared for
the moment when they come in the game. And sometimes
you know, when you come in the game, it's not
that you have to play, you know, twenty minutes of
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great basketball, but you just need to get that one
rebound or make that one pass, or set that one screen.
Sometimes it just comes down to one fundamental thing.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And I think the.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Wolves have done a great job of doing that. They
didn't get too high too low in that game. They
didn't panic in the fore of that game after they
had the lead it looked like the game was pretty
much done. Yeah, and then you know, hand has a
turnover whatever, But even he was like, I got to
improve on what it is. And I think that's the
attitude that the whole team has to have, and I
think it starts with the coaching.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Statf how important do you think, you know, KG has
started the reunion period and he was already back for
one game, got a massive reaction. How you know him
as well as anybody better than most obviously, how important
was it do you think from his standpoint to get
sort of re you know, epoxied with the franchise he
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you know.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
He grew up with.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I think it was really important because you know, if
you know anything about KG, loyalty is the capital l
in what he is, and he was loyal to the
Wolves beyond the fault and leaving when he left the
go to Boston, it was one of the hardest things
for him to do, even though it's the best thing
for him to do, I think at that point in time.
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So the fact that he's back and he always roots
for the team. I remember a couple of years ago
when his daughter had I heard sweet sixteen party. I
remember he did this, you know, big party for Sweet sixteen.
But then he had this little room tucked in the
back where everybody could watch the game, and it was
you know, him and me and Paul Pierce and a
few other people and he was on his seat just
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cheering for the Lewis when we were I think we
were playing Denver. I think it's a'm not a statement
at that at that point, so he playoffs. So you know,
he's really into it, and I'm glad to see it.
I'm glad that, you know, whatever wounds are you know,
have happened there being healed. And obviously the new ownership
has a lot to do with that. But yeah, I
think it's a total positive thing in kg Is. He's
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a work for life. I mean, he's soda for life.
He really is.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
One last music question that occurred to me. You mentioned
that you just had Stevie Wonder in for interviews for
this doc you're doing the Gamble and Huff documentary.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I don't know how how the process is for you.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Guys like you have been around, you know, superstar abundant
talent for decades now, you know, I mean, you're in it,
You're immersed in it in a way that once upon
a time might have seemed like a dream. But what
I wonder is, when you're sitting down with Stevie and
you're talking to him, are you still amazed? Do you
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ever you guys ever look at each other and.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Go, how did this happen? Look at who we're talking to?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
This is music immortality or does it almost become old hat?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
No, it absolutely never becomes old hat. It's always pinched
yourself type moments, like the fact that Stevie even knows
who we are, will actually take a phone call from
us or say yes, I want to do it. I mean,
I remember we called him because we had booked three
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days in La to do some filming for the documentary,
and we had ralphae El Sadik the first day, we
had Nile Rogers the second day, the whole day for Stevie.
We said, we won't even anybody on the Friday, We'll
just make sure that Stevie's of whenever he's available. And
I think he initially said one thirty. I think he
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ended up. Terry had the over under at six o'clock
or something, or five o'clock or whatever. Terry said, we'll
bet the overy, and they five point thirty Stevie showed up.
And but he not only showed up, he showed up
with his I can't remember what his little instrument is
that he plays the stringed instrument. I never can remember
the name of it, but he showed up with that,
and as we're listening to these gamble and huffs and
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tom bell songs, he's literally playing along with these songs
and reminiscing about, you know, getting to know them and
those types of things. And yes, it's totally it's a
pinch me moment for us, but the crew it was
really a pinch me moment for them because they were
all watching the you know, the interviewers was taking place,
and so it was just, yeah, there's a lot of that,
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but I feel like that Here's here's the way I say.
I think every day, Dan, about five times a day,
I take a snapshot of what I'm doing. If I'm
with the people I want to be with, doing what
I want to do, that I'm in the right place
if I take that snap shot, and maybe four out
of five times of the day i'm good. And one
day I take that. One time I take the snapshot,
I'm like, ah, this is not where I should be
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with doing what I'm doing, and then I move on
to some other thing. So I've gotten really good at that,
and I will tell you that I'm a four out
of five most of those days. That's one of those
Talking to you right now about the State Fair and
all the great things that are going on is definitely
one of those moments.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well, we appreciate your contributions for us and help to
us all these years too. Man, you know that goes
on forever, and we'll certainly try to be badgering you
in all the good ways when we get the State
Fair time to try to get you out, maybe even
to the booth of at all possible, since as you know,
we broadcast from that used to show, used to visit
in fact, when Chad and I did broadcast me back
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in the day.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, No, I love that. I mean,
I you know, I'm a Minnesota State Fair go from
you know, from my dad. My mom and dad would
take me to the fair one from when I was
a little boy, and I just remember wanting to get
to the midway and they go through everything else, Machinery
Hill and you got to go to this four h
building and whatever. I mean, it was be like, can
we just get to the midway? So and I subjected
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my kids to the same thing when we went there,
So I totally understand that. By the way, my dad
just turned ninety nine. I came back and played with
him a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, so I just
was back there.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Just crazy. That's outstanding.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Now, let's remind folks again you and Terry will be
at the State Fair performing Homecoming, a celebration of the
Minneapolis Sound for the Grandstand Concert series.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Guards. He reminds me.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
The tickets will go on sale this Friday, and you
can get them via minute am Nstatefair dot org slash Grandstand.
This Friday is when the whole thing begins. Great to
catch up, my friend. If you need anything, let us
know anything we can talk about that you think might
be worthy of our audience. Always have time for you
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on this program and we'll try to stay in touch
as always.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Thank you. That's Jimmy jam Harris.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Outstanding work and a great conversation with him, as it
often is. Let's make this the bottom of the hour pause.
Louie in about one hour on the big Minnesota Wild
goaltending change. His reaction to that, chances for the team
to rebound tonight, a game that of course, of course
can be heard on the fan.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Louie at five thie, so no Ballstead and met.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Tonight, we're back with the to the Gus bus the goaltender,
a change announced earlier today. That'll be a big part
of the conversation with lou Nanny Wild needing to win
tonight to avoid coming back home down to oh and
I get it.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
What you're supposed to do is hold serve, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I'm not here to declare the series over if the
Wild don't lose or do not win tonight. But I
also think what we've tended to learn about these series
is that you can't necessarily count on winning every game
at home anyway. And that's why I think things are
going to feel a lot differently if the Wild they're
able to return home with a split, then if they
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get down to nothing now always the devils in the details.
Much of our reaction might depend on how they lose
or how they win. Right are they routed? Are they dominated?
Are they not even a factor? And of course, the
worst case scenario would be that the Lance score seven
more goals tonight or eight or nine, even with the
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goaltender change, and then in your back to well his
Flower available? Could we maybe get Flower for Game three?
He's I think he is can we activate him? Can
we can we sign him? That's about the eight or
nine goals? What if one's an empty netter outlets? That
was the comeback from from Heinz yesterday, sister from six
to one to two. Guy, I'm enjoying the Jimmy jam interview.
(29:10):
Janet Jackson on Letterman Show made me question my sexuality
for a minute, but the fellows won out. She made
Dave scirm like no other woman could. Yeah, that's I
don't remember that. I don't either, to be honest with you,
I have no recollection. I only remember drunk Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That was Yeah. That was one of the mythical moments.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
She was was Drew the one who got up on
the desk and started dancing and then she yes, she
her front her chest to yeah to uh to mister
letter Yes, I but I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I I don't doubt that that might that today the case?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
In all honesty, though, how good is it to be
these guys because to a certain extent, you think, all right, well,
you associate them mainly with Janet Jackson, and that's big enough.
It's like you don't need to do anything else. But
that feels like a long time ago. But they've reinvented.
Jimmy and Terry have reinvented themselves as record producers are
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not performers many times over, and now you could argue
there's big now as they've ever been. I mean, you're
doing residencies at Vegas Vniche, that's what everybody says. You're
still spinning out number one hits on the R and
B charts, You're still working with people, You're doing documentaries,
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You're being celebrated by New York Times on this list
of the thirty best American Living songwriters. I mean, that's
all pretty good. If this is like their twilight years,
you know, like that, that's not bad at all. That's
that would be the that'd be everybody else's prime.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
He really had the perfect description for it, though, that
eventually old becomes vinted.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
And there's a big difference between old and vintage, and
we see it all the time exactly, and we are
in the vintage era right now.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yes, people like.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Lori Fisher are tripping all over themselves to get the
nineteen eighty seven World Series Champion twin sweatshirt. Think about it,
an original one or one that just looks like it, right,
These companies are making vintage, yeah, style clothing because that's
what everybody's into, at least they were. Maybe that phase
is over, but old and vintage are kind of the same,
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but very very different. And I loved that description of
it when he talked about Terry and him. If you
can make a phone call and not have to go
through like eighteen layers of bureaucracy and Stevie Wonder comes
to the phone and then shows up pretty good with
the interviews.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yes, that's that's that's pretty damn good for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Brat Sewn and Brian Kafan text line is open at
six four six eight six. His dad, what do you say,
just turned ninety nine? Yes, cornbread ninety nine. We had
some Texters saying they, you know, they love seeing his
dad because he's still playing. He's still playing, and they
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had their big, you know, sort of reunion, emotional reunion
after a significant falling out for many many, many many
years too. And it is not difficult when I go
to Target Center to think of the days. Speaking of vintage,
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they don't feel old. They do feel vintage of when
it was, you know, it was Jimmy and his wife,
and I think Terry was there a decent old, but
Jimmy was there all the time. Literally right next I
mean the fifty yard line basically, center court, the two
best seats in the house basically, and that that's where
he was forever. And you know, I do think back
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and go, God, it's too bad to that extent that
they don't still base themselves here because this run has
been obviously like no other, no run that they were
able to participate in back in the day, right, I
mean the KG run was one year, right, other than
you know, a lot of good regular season records, and
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now it's every year. They're a factor. The Wolves are
a factor. They haven't won any championships yet, but they're
at least a fact.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
However, he was a part of. I think he went
to Game seven in Denver a few years ago. I
think the Timberwolds true. I think right, Ryan and Cass
and the old management, Yeah, they were smart enough.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
He's come back for some games.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
We've talked to him on those occasions, like you sat
next to Snoop, But one of them he did.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
He brought Snoopy the game. He did because it's.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Funny, right after the interview in his show the Snoop
Concert a Treasure Island, which is I think Labor Day
weekend as well, or right around there. That commercial played
and I'm like, I wonder how well Snoop and Jimmy
know each other? Well they sat next to each other.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
And the other thing I think we could do, and
maybe one of these times we have him on, is
just do a show where we just I just get
a list of about twenty performers and just have him
riff on his experiences or knowledge of them or experience
either working with them or just observing their own place.
That would be in of itself. That'd be a great hour.
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Maybe sometime this summer before the Fair, but after the
Wolves have wrapped up the NBA title, the Wild have
wrapped up the cup, and the Twins are in last place,
and we're looking for the Abyss and we're looking for
something else to talk about.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Two easy options.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
We do it after the day after he plays at
the ten Wolves parade in town, that's true, or the
day or two before they do the show with the
State Fair. He comes out to the State Fair and
does it there.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
That'd be a great stat Fair hour.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
That would be outstanding as well be a state fair.
Let's get caught up. We went along with Jimmy, so
let's get caught up. We have top five at five
yet to come. We got Louis at five point thirty
with goaltender change reaction and maybe more general reaction beyond
that to what he saw in game number one.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Get back to one aspect of the Wolves victory in
Game one that we've talked a lot about with Mike
and Norri. But is Sneaky Big that I think indicates
a bit of a media blindness that needs to be revealed, exposed,
and maybe even ripped. We'll get to that when we return.
(35:38):
We have, I think, in the basketball culture an unnatural
fear and trepidation of being on the wrong end of
a block shot.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
And by that, I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
It's almost as if when said shot is blocked by
one of let's say your players, it's it's it feels
as if there's an embarrassment that's supposed to be attached
to Oh man, he just swadded that round out of it.
(36:17):
He just he just he just nullified that shot. And
I bring it up because I think it's directly connected
to Game one of the Wolves Spurs series and perhaps
much of the rest of it as well. Among my
(36:38):
media brethren, I sometimes get the impression like we'll stop
being stupid and driving to the basket knowing that when
Banyama is going to erase it. Now, I'm not here
to tell you that there that discretion occasionally is not
(37:00):
the greater form of valory. Yeah, you have to try
to be smart with it. But I think we have
to get over this notion. And thank god the Wolves
did that. If you get your shot blocked, you don't
want to go back there because you'll be embarrassed again.
You can't worry about being embarrassed. And in our business,
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the media business, I think it's bizarre.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
But that's what I've heard a lot of.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Today, like well, yeah, two shots blocked in the first
minute of the game, almost like, well the Wolves should
have gone home at that point, right, No, what you
continue to do is challenge now again. Do you challenge judiciously?
Do you try to challenge smartly? There's a lot of
ways to look at that, but I think it's the
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exact opposite of what some of these national media folks
are saying, which is which almost seems to be.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Don't even ever bother.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
And thank god that wasn't the message that Finchy and
Mike and Nore and the staff delivered to the team.
As we talked about with Micah between three point thirty
and four o'clock, it was no, you keep going after it.
I mentioned the quote from Jaden after the game. It
was my favorite quote to come out of the game
last night. You just got to act like he's not there.
(38:17):
I mean, he's going to get blocks. He's the tallest
person in the world. Just keep consistently attacking him. Sometimes
he might not be there, sometimes he might catch you,
but just keep going.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
They did. They got fifty two points in the paint.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yes, And that tells me they don't give a damn
about an occasional shot being swatted out of the air,
because if you play that game out of the fear,
it's almost like it's that it's that twenty twenty six
mentality of oh do you see how embarrassed that guy
should be when somebody so and so dunked over him?
(38:53):
Right Like, at that point that matters more than going
out and winning the game. We're so imprisoned by these
stupid viral images and and and to the point where
I don't even think there's anything smart about the approach
that that that people almost seen me saying, well, that's
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what you don't even try.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Don't even try because you know you'll be end up.
You know you'll end up on.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
The wrong side of that picture when Benyala's gonna swat
it into the third row and then you're gonna be
embarrassed by it. Is it really all that embarrassing to
be to have your shot blocked by a seven to
six guy. No, No, it's the opposite of that. And
I loved that they said we are going to challenge,
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we are going to continue to try to get to
the basket. Now, if you do it strategically and rightly,
you try to do it when maybe the big man
is otherwise occupied or as was the case a couple
of times sealed off by Julius Randall.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yes, that's the smart way to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
But this idea that you almost have to apologize and
you can't know learn your wolves, learn your lesson, he's
just going to embarrass you. That would have guaranteed the
Wolves lost Game one and they still may lose the series.
I'm out here declaring that the series is over, although
I very much now think they're absolutely in it and
can win it on the basis of what we saw
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in Game one.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
But you know the you know the vibe I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I was gonna say, your national media spirit animal needs
to be Windy Brian Windhorst, because I was watching Get Up,
as I want to do after the Power Trip Morning
Show stream eight to nine, I watched the replay of
Get Up, and everyone was aroused by the Wenby blocks
as you should be.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
There was twelve of them, right, Yes, it was set
the record. He was dominant on that side. NBA playoff record.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Wendy was the Wendy was the one that said, you know,
on five of those the Wolves got the ball back.
I mentioned that to Mike, Yes, and you made the
shots blah blah blah. And on the on the one
where everybody he was going crazy, I can't remember who
it was, if it was Shannon Randall, maybe the biggest
play of the game. It gets swatted off the glass.
(41:08):
It's emphatic. Jaden McDaniels gets it, drives it, kicks it
to Mike Conley. Three pointer, Wolves up nine Timeout, San Antonio,
Davey and that you could.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Argue is your bullet ball game.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yeah, and great effort played by Jaden by the way,
because if he doesn't get it, it's a fast break
the other way. And then that block is the lead
was six, it turns to four on a fast break dunk.
It's probably time out Wolves at that point. But I
know exactly what you're talking about, and we haven't talked
about this part of the game. But in one thing,
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I just think Finch and whoever decided it, they have
cajones to do it, and it won him the game,
in my opinion. Was taking Rudy off the floor, Yes,
because stended period and that can't be easy because you
need him.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
And jod Wenby a mythic series.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yes, but Wemby was not as you would expect guarding
him at all. He was just floating around and looking
to block anything. And they took him off the floor.
They put Nas in, they put Nads in the corner.
Wemby didn't go out there at least once Nas hit
a huge three in the corner right in front of
the Wolve's bench where Wemby was his guy because he
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was looking to block a shot. And then the next
time Jaden drove Wemby couldn't really help exactly right, and
he got Jaden ended up getting fouled. Now it was
the Wolves, so he probably missed one of them last night,
the free throws.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
But that's the point. I thought that moved well for
twenty one from the floor.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
It was crazy, but to take Rudy off the floor
because they he's just offensively meaningless, especially with Wemby, and
Wenby could just leave him and do whatever he wanted.
When they put Nads in there, it gave him the
space in that fourth quarter that that group played a
little bit faster. And but that goes back to using
their big advantage against them, that Wenby wants to block everything.
(42:54):
He's in the lane, Well we're gonna put nas Read
there and credit to him, he knocked on a couple
of huge shots and that gave them the you know, the.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
The block shot is. It's an imposing play. It's an
important play in terms of what it represents. I'm not
here to minimize it. But you can't play worried about
being embarrassed, and it should the message shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Be we got to back off to pull up, tell
you jump shot.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Well, yeah, sometimes that does make sense mid range, but
not all of the time. And I think again they
they won the battle last night in that they ended
up with fifty two points in the paint.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I'll tell you this, for all of the.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Discussion about the historic nature of the twelve block shots,
Wolves are going to be fine if the rest of
this series, Wemby finishes with more block shots than points.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yes, he did last night. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Now he's probably never going to shoot as poorly as
he did last night, but he finished with twelve blocks
and eleven points. That's a winning formula for the Minnesota
Timberwolves for And if he wants to take eight threes,
have at it. Yeah, that's what I know he can
make it. We'll get back into that maybe during the
Top five. The other another one of the comments Micah
made that I think is sneaky insightful regarding the Wolf
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strategy on Wemby and on almost making it seem like
it's another example of like with Joker, we want to
make him really work and work hard in minutes that
he is flat out not accustomed to play. Big change
between the regular season and the postseason Top five will
include what else Twins are back in action? Everybody's excited
(44:34):
about that. We will talk more Timberwolves, and here from
the head coach, John Hines on why they're making the
Goldie move tonight before Game two
You know, I'm with Minnesota. I got Minnesota back at
all time.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well I haven't the Edwards said it last night, but
it could be about our next guest too, Jimmy jam
Harris kind enough to join us via the Connectico Water
Systems Hotline to talk about a bunch of stuff, including
the great mission to get together the Minnesota State Fair.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
How are you, sir?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm great, man, How are you? I mean, it couldn't
be better. I mean between the State Fair and the
Wolves win how about that and a bunch of stuff
in between. But man, yeah, it's a good day.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You got a lot of good stuff. You guys got
a lot of good stuff going. But let's start with
the State Fair announcement. You're part of the twenty twenty
six Grandstand Concert Series. I think the date is Saturday,
Og twenty nine. You and Terry a celebration of the
Minneapolis Sound for the grand Stand Concerts Series. How did
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this all come together?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Well, we had been talking to the State Fair for
a few years, but we hadn't Terry and I hadn't
actually started our live performances yet. That we kind of
talked about that. It was kind of a dream come
true to play there. I mean I grew up you know,
playing in you know, obviously local bands in the Twin
Cities type of thing, and we would always play little,
small places, and we'd always go to the fair and
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go to concerts and those types of things, and it
was kind of a dream, you know, and kind of
a bucket list thing, one of those you know, what
haven't you done that you still want to do things?
And they contacted us this year and because we had
just done at that point in time, we had done
some shows in Japan and we had just were getting
ready to do our Las Vegas residency, it just felt
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like the timing was right and everything worked out and
we were able to get yesters from a lot of
people that we wanted to have as part of it,
and I think it just was the right alignment.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, it makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Can you give us a sense of some of the
names and maybe in the approach that you are, I'm
sure still thinking and planning, and there's a lot of
time for you to get to that place, But give
me some idea of what you guys's vision is for
this thing.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Well, I think you know, two of the things that
it kind of says, which is homecoming, which it definitely
is for Terry and I and I always say we
love a good excuse to come back home, so this
is a great one. Also a celebration of the Minneapolis sound.
But we also realized that all of these songs are
basically made in Minnesota, so we're kind of calling it
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made in Minnesota. And it's similar to what we did
in we just got them doing in Vegas, where it
was basically we called that nothing but hits. And the
thing we kind of realized is we're performing all of
those songs, was that every one of those songs pretty
much you could say, was made in Minnesota. So I
just thought that was a perfect way to frame everything.
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And then as far as the acts that are concerned,
we've been working very closely over the last couple of
years with both American Idol winner Ruben Stuttered and Star
Sars winner Shanice Wilson. And the reason is because they're
versatile and they can basically sing everything. So in our
catalog of songs, whether it's you know, an Alexandro O'Neil
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or an Usher or Johnny Gill or whatever that is,
they can, you know, Ruben can handle that. And if
it's a you know, a Janet song or a Charelle
song or whatever, then you know, you know, Shawnese can
handle that. But in this case we're able to actually
have some of those people, So Johnny Gill will actually
be there from New Edition and you know those you
(03:44):
know that New Edition record was actually recorded in the
Twin Cities, and so to have Johnny Gill, to have
Ralph Tresmen and people like that, that was really important.
You can't do a show about the Minneapolis sound without
including Morris a Day, but in this case Day and
Jerome Binton, who happens to be Terry's brother, and Jerome
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came and performed with us in Vegas, which was wonderful.
It was funny because Jordan Knight from New Kids on
the Block is going to join us, and we did
kind of his biggest hit record back in the day too,
So it's just going to kind of be, I guess,
if I could say a Minnesota word, a smortage board
of acts, and it's just gonna be a lot of fun.
(04:27):
And yes, we're still putting it together. I mean there's
acts that have been announced, but trust me, we're still
talking to a bunch of other folks, and it's just
going to be a celebration. And the other thing I
want to stress in Vegas when we did our residency,
we called it nothing but hits. But what I pointed
out to people is that Terry and I don't really
make hits. We just make music, and the people that
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love the music and buy it, whether you know in
our day it's cassettes or eight tracks or vinyl or
whatever that delivery system is, it's the people that really
make those hit rec So it's really a celebration of
the people. And that's what we're looking forward to doing
in our hometown.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That's such a great idea. Yeah, it'd it'd be something
for us to talk about and look forward to. Really,
like we say, we with the you know, the joke
on this shows the state fairs right around the corner,
and that's sort of how it feels. And it'll it'll
catch up, it'll it'll get here fast. But it's such
a natural, uh, it just it makes all the sense
of the world. I'm glad that that that worked out.
I know there's going to be a lot of folks
(05:25):
who are state fair regulars are going to be very
very excited about about that news. You mentioned the residency.
I'm always curious to know how those things go. You
did it at the at the Voltaire, at the Venetian
right in in Vegas, So.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
How long does it go? What was that experience?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Like?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
How different is it for you? How did you find it?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I found it wonderful because you know, it was a
few things for us. One is kind of getting back
to our roots of performing. I mean, as we started
off in local bands in Minnesota, that was the way
we started. You know, Terry had Flight Time, I had
a band called Mind and Matter, and you know, we
would battle to the band's type of thing, and we
eventually joined forces and that became the time. But it
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kind of takes us back to our roots of doing
that which we really like, which is performing. I mean,
before we were writers and producers, we were just musicians.
And one of the fun that Vegas for me was
watching how much fun Terry was having because he just said, hey,
I just get to be a bass player. Now I
don't have to worry about all the other stuff. So
it was a lot of fun. We did six nights
in Vegas. We were at capacity all of the nights.
(06:34):
We actually sold out the last three totally. And now
there's some talk about I just as a matter of fact,
I read in one of the Vegas papers recently that
there's talks about adding ten more shows to what we
just did, maybe in August. So yeah, we'll see. It
was a great experience, and you know, each there were
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some people literally that came to all six shows. Like
we would look in the audience and it would be
the same people that came to all six shows. And
we would switch the shows up every once in a
while to see who came, Like and Nesby from Sounds
of Blackness came one of the days, Chante Moore came
one of the days. I'm trying to think, let us
Ee came one of the days. Saint Paul from the
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Family came one of the days, which was very cool.
And so anyway, yeah, we had different guests every night
that would come out, and it would switch the show up.
And I even go back and do a little DJ set,
which is kind of cool because that's one of the
other things I did in Minneapolis was I was a
djh That's how I got the name Jimmy jam was
that was my DJ name. So it was kind of us,
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you know, once again as smartas board of a whole
bunch of different things. But the concept works so well
that we were going to bring a lot of those
elements to what we do at the State there.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
What's the venue like.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
In Vegas. Yes, it's beautiful. It's about a thousand seats.
It's very elegant, it's very elevated. There's not a bad
seat in the house, which is great. There's kind of
what was interesting is there's this long kind of runway
I guess you could say that goes to the center
of the place. And it was kind of cool because
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when we had them, we had Roland the company. Roland
built us this little tiny grand piano that they could
set on the stage and then we would basically play
name that tune, we'd take audience requests, we'd do this
whole thing, so we really were able to utilize the
whole theater. And then Ruben Stuttered and Shanice Wilson, they
would go out in the audience and actually sing songs
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from the audience type of thing. So it was very inclusive.
I guess I would say, I don't think anybody from
wherever you were sitting felt like they had a bad seat.
And so it was intimate enough, like I say, a
thousand people, intimate enough to feel like you were really getting,
you know, a good experience, but you know, but energetic
enough where when everybody got on their feet, it was
just an all out party.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It sounds like the best kind of like you say,
the best of both world where you're not you don't
feel like you're in a huge arena, but still you know,
decent sized and good, you know, good atmosphere in that environment.
And I'm assuming the music sounds better too.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It can be.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, we got so many compliments on the sound. Yeah,
I mean that was one of the things everybody, you know, afterwards,
people we saw afterwards, we're complimenting the sound. And you know,
we have a good crew of folks that really do
that and really pay attention to that. And I'm a
little biased, but I think we perform the songs, you know,
as well, if not better, then the artists that would
normally perform them because we know all the secrets that
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went into the production. You know, we know how it's
actually supposed to sound, and we're really very diligent about
doing the songs the way they were on the record.
I think that people want to sing along, they want
to have those memories, they want to take the time travel,
and we want to make it in a way where
it's familiar. It sounds great. You know, we'll switch a
few things up, but we want to get everybody on
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the same page. That was one of the things we
were able to do.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
And you and Terror back at the top of the
R and B charts. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah? So we just worked with kay Lannie on her
album and it was very cool because her single, she
had a single called Folded last year that actually won
a couple of Grammys, and I got a chance to
actually give her the Grammys. It happened on the what
they call the premiere telecast that happens before the network show,
and I got to hand her to R and B Grammys,
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and we ended up getting a chance to actually work
together on her album, which is her self titled album.
It's just called Kaylanie and it's number one on the
R and B charts this week. And we did a
song with her and Brandy together and they never had
worked together, but Kaylanie wanted to do something with Brandy
and the song that they ended up doing was you
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know Terry and My song so very very kind of cool.
And a couple of weeks ago we had the number
one R and B single with a a gentleman named Tank,
and Tank had a number one song called Control, but
it was based on Janet's Control, which is forty years
old this year, a lot of interesting alignment going on.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
The assumption I advise Hatty is that more people want
to work with you than you could possibly work with
from a scheduling standpoint.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Is that about right? Do you have to turn people down? Sometimes?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well, we turn people down, but it's more of a thing.
The way I always look at it is if we
feel like it's a project that we should do or
that we are the best people to do the project,
we're totally into doing the project. And so a lot
of times if we say no to something, it's simply
it's never a straight no, it's always a I don't
know whether we're the right people for it, but you
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know who would be good would be and then we
turn them on to someone else. So we've done that
a lot of times. The other thing is, I think
we might have talked about it before, is Terry and
I have a theory which is called getting past old,
and it's kind of like when you have an old
phone or you have an old car. You have something
and it basically gets old, which means it gets discarded,
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and you know that kind of thing. Well, and my
old period happened when our kids were both in high school.
Our last batch of kids were in high school, so
we got a chance when our phone wasn't totally ringing
off the hook. We got a chance to, you know,
go to basketball games, go to dance recitals, and do
that and really be a part of our kids' lives.
When our kids graduated. That's when we did the Unbreakable
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album with Janet, which opened at number one, and all
of a sudden, now with this resurgence of eighties and
nineties music, people come to us, like the singer Her
a few years back. We performed on the Grammys with her,
but she wanted that ninety sound, and she sampled a
song called Making Mother in the Rain by Herb Alpert
and couldn't get the sample cleared. So we ended up
(12:42):
replaying the song because we know how to play it,
and it ended up going number one. And so what
happens is all of a sudden, that old watch or
that old whatever you put in old phone or whatever,
all of a sudden becomes vintage. It's still old, but
it's just nicer words to go with. Vintage and legendary
and iconic and all that. Those are the things that
are associated with us now. Is people try to create
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the nineties vib like, Kaylanie, you like, we're the people
to come to.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
That's not bad, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm also reminded that New York Times magazine just had
a piece of laying out their list of the thirty
greatest songwriters, and you guys are on that list too,
and you've won, you know, you've won myriad awards, but
I assume you had to get you guys had to
derive some satisfaction from from being on that list and
some of the and the nice things that were said,
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we're written, I should say on your behalf.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, that was very cool. Well, first of all, it's
a great company to be in. And it's funny because
we were we were we were literally were just with
Stevie Wonder a few days ago because we're working on
a Gamble Huff and Tom Bell documentary, right, and we
had Yeah, we're we're directing that. And so we had
Stevie in as a as a thing, and that was
one of the things he said, he said, Hey, we're
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in the same club here, and I say, but you know,
it's the thirty greatest American living American songwriters as the
way they I think they term it or something like that,
And you know, there's a lot of debate on whether
you should be in, whether you should be out, whatever
that thing is. What I like is there's a conversation
being had about songwriters because I think in the whole
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music ecosystem, the songwriters are the ones that, for better
or worse, they suffer the most. Because, you know, if
you're a live act, you can go out and perform
like we're doing now, if your producers you get you know,
your royalties from production and from streaming and all those
types of things. But you can also you know, if
you're an artist, obviously you can still go out and
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do live shows and get endorsements and partnerships and all
those types of things. If you're the songwriter, basically you're
dependent totally on the royalties and the way in the
streaming economy the royalties are really really low and so
I think it's an important conversation to have just to
remember the songwriters. I always my analogy is always that
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they're like the farmers. You know, if you go have
a great meal at a restaurant, you thank the chef,
and the chef says, yeah, that's great, But nobody thinks
the farmers who had to actually grow the food in
order for the chefs to be able to do what
they do. So I think it's an important thing. What
I think it's a great discussion to have, whether you
agree with us being there or not, that songwriters are
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really important and without the songwriters, there are no songs.
It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
It should never be forgotten. It's an important lesson. You're
one hundred percent right. I like the way the writer,
one of the writers put it there, talking about your
time with Janet. I wanted to get your reaction if
you agreed with the description. Here, three different albums, three
different ideologies. Many pop stars would go songwriter, producer shopping
for such rebrands, but it's a testament to the flexibility
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of Jam and Lewis. The Janet could invent so many
new selves in their care stylistics, Wings came easily to
the producing pair. How conscious were you of that then?
You know of of you know, basically revealing I guess,
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different sides of her. And how challenging is that to
do it when I'm assuming all the record companies say
just do like that last one, do another control and
we'll be happy.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
How did that go? What do you when you look
back on all that?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Well? Yeah, I mean the record companies are really good
at taking something that's already done and then going just
do another one of those. So we never did that,
and we didn't do that really with any of the artists.
That really never was our interest in doing that. I
will tell you about a conversation that I had with
a gentleman named Peter Asher. And he's been associated with
the Beatles and a whole lot of great great UK producer,
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songwriter and everything. So Peter Asher did all the Linda
Bronsnett albums. And when I say all of them, he
did all of the albums. And I remember sitting behind
him at the Grammys Terry and I were nominated and
I said, mister Asher, I said, I'm Jimmy jim. He says, yes,
I know who you are. And I said, Oh, it's
it's nice to meet you. I said, can I ask
you a question? They say yes, And I said, you've
been working with Linda Ronstead for like twenty years. And
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I said she's done country albums, rock albums, orchestral albums,
Spanish language albums, like she's done the whole gamut. I said,
how do you do that longevity? Like, how does that work?
And I can't remember exactly what he said, so I'm
paraphrasing a little bit, but he basically said, artists like
to go all over the whole road. He said, you
just need to be the guardrails on each side to
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just kind of nutch them back into the thing, but
let them do what they want to do. And I
took that advice and we've been working It's a fortieth
anniversary of Control this year, so we've been working with
Janet for forty years. And that advice that Peter Asher
said to us was when Janet would come to us
and say, Hey, I want to work with an opera singer,
I want to work with an electric violinist. I want
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to work with Chuck Dee from Public Enemy. We never
were like, oh, that's crazy. We were like Okay, let's
figure out how to do it. So it's basically just
problem solving, and Janet's not a problem, so it's her
creativity actually made it really easy for us to go
from you know, a pop smash to an R and
B record to all of the things that she wanted
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to do. And we had the great environment of Minnesota,
particularly on the first those first three Janet albums that
we did Control, Rhythm Nation and the Janet Album were
pretty much recorded solely in Minneapolis. So we have freedom
of Minneapolis, and she had the freedom of Minneapolis where
she could move around in a way where she didn't
have to have bodyguards, she didn't have to do all that,
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and I think all of that played into it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
No question about that.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
We're chatting with Jimmy jam Harris on a number of
different subjects and we'll give you some information. Remind you
that tickets are already on sale, by the way, for
their big appearance at the State Fair. We'll give you
details on that in a minute. You know, I think
we were chatting with Mike and Nor, the Wolves lead
assistant from San Antonio, after their victory last night. You
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obviously continue to follow your favorite professional basketball team as well.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well. Give me a sense of what you.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
See or have seen from Afar in kind of a
strange season again where there was great frustration that they
were back in the sixth seed and that they weren't
taking the season seriously enough, and then they take care
of business against Denver almost going away, despite the fact
that they're down, you know, for the game six, they're
three their three main wing players are not even available,
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and then they win Game one in San Antonio.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
What are you seeing? What do you think?
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I just see a sense of belief and a sense
of calmness. I think it starts with the coach, but
it's guys that I don't know. They seem very even keel.
They don't seem to get down on themselves when things
are going bad, and they don't seem to really get,
you know, super up on themselves when things are going good.
I mean there's been because there were losing streaks, there
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were winning streaks during the season, the fact that the
roster had to change so much because of injury, and
by the way, that has to happen with a lot
of teams, I mean, where they change things. But what
it does is it gives the guys. You know they
always say the next man up, Well, the next man
up has gotten opportunities to actually get some meaningful minutes
and meaningful games. And now when you look at the team,
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it's not just the seven man rotation. It really wasn't
through the whole season because it couldn't be, but it's
really not now. And so you have guys that are involved,
and I think the coaching staff does a great job
of making sure guys are prepared and they're prepared for
the moment when they come in the game. And sometimes
you know, when you come in the game, it's not
that you have to play, you know, twenty minutes of
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great basketball, but you just need to get that one
rebound or make that one pass, or set that one screen.
Sometimes it just comes down to one fundamental thing.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And I think the.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Wolves have done a great job of doing that. They
didn't get too high too low in that game. They
didn't panic in the fore of that game after they
had the lead it looked like the game was pretty
much done. Yeah, and then you know, hand has a
turnover whatever, But even he was like, I got to
improve on what it is. And I think that's the
attitude that the whole team has to have, and I
think it starts with the coaching.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Statf how important do you think, you know, KG has
started the reunion period and he was already back for
one game, got a massive reaction. How you know him
as well as anybody better than most obviously, how important
was it do you think from his standpoint to get
sort of re you know, epoxied with the franchise he
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you know.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
He grew up with.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I think it was really important because you know, if
you know anything about KG, loyalty is the capital l
in what he is, and he was loyal to the
Wolves beyond the fault and leaving when he left the
go to Boston, it was one of the hardest things
for him to do, even though it's the best thing
for him to do, I think at that point in time.
(21:53):
So the fact that he's back and he always roots
for the team. I remember a couple of years ago
when his daughter had I heard sweet sixteen party. I
remember he did this, you know, big party for Sweet sixteen.
But then he had this little room tucked in the
back where everybody could watch the game, and it was
you know, him and me and Paul Pierce and a
few other people and he was on his seat just
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cheering for the Lewis when we were I think we
were playing Denver. I think it's a'm not a statement
at that at that point, so he playoffs. So you know,
he's really into it, and I'm glad to see it.
I'm glad that, you know, whatever wounds are you know,
have happened there being healed. And obviously the new ownership
has a lot to do with that. But yeah, I
think it's a total positive thing in kg Is. He's
(22:36):
a work for life. I mean, he's soda for life.
He really is.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
One last music question that occurred to me. You mentioned
that you just had Stevie Wonder in for interviews for
this doc you're doing the Gamble and Huff documentary.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I don't know how how the process is for you.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Guys like you have been around, you know, superstar abundant
talent for decades now, you know, I mean, you're in it,
You're immersed in it in a way that once upon
a time might have seemed like a dream. But what
I wonder is, when you're sitting down with Stevie and
you're talking to him, are you still amazed? Do you
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ever you guys ever look at each other and.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Go, how did this happen? Look at who we're talking to?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
This is music immortality or does it almost become old hat?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
No, it absolutely never becomes old hat. It's always pinched
yourself type moments, like the fact that Stevie even knows
who we are, will actually take a phone call from
us or say yes, I want to do it. I mean,
I remember we called him because we had booked three
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days in La to do some filming for the documentary,
and we had ralphae El Sadik the first day, we
had Nile Rogers the second day, the whole day for Stevie.
We said, we won't even anybody on the Friday, We'll
just make sure that Stevie's of whenever he's available. And
I think he initially said one thirty. I think he
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ended up. Terry had the over under at six o'clock
or something, or five o'clock or whatever. Terry said, we'll
bet the overy, and they five point thirty Stevie showed up.
And but he not only showed up, he showed up
with his I can't remember what his little instrument is
that he plays the stringed instrument. I never can remember
the name of it, but he showed up with that,
and as we're listening to these gamble and huffs and
(24:27):
tom bell songs, he's literally playing along with these songs
and reminiscing about, you know, getting to know them and
those types of things. And yes, it's totally it's a
pinch me moment for us, but the crew it was
really a pinch me moment for them because they were
all watching the you know, the interviewers was taking place,
and so it was just, yeah, there's a lot of that,
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but I feel like that Here's here's the way I say.
I think every day, Dan, about five times a day,
I take a snapshot of what I'm doing. If I'm
with the people I want to be with, doing what
I want to do, that I'm in the right place
if I take that snap shot, and maybe four out
of five times of the day i'm good. And one
day I take that. One time I take the snapshot,
I'm like, ah, this is not where I should be
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with doing what I'm doing, and then I move on
to some other thing. So I've gotten really good at that,
and I will tell you that I'm a four out
of five most of those days. That's one of those
Talking to you right now about the State Fair and
all the great things that are going on is definitely
one of those moments.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well, we appreciate your contributions for us and help to
us all these years too. Man, you know that goes
on forever, and we'll certainly try to be badgering you
in all the good ways when we get the State
Fair time to try to get you out, maybe even
to the booth of at all possible, since as you know,
we broadcast from that used to show, used to visit
in fact, when Chad and I did broadcast me back
(25:48):
in the day.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, No, I love that. I mean,
I you know, I'm a Minnesota State Fair go from
you know, from my dad. My mom and dad would
take me to the fair one from when I was
a little boy, and I just remember wanting to get
to the midway and they go through everything else, Machinery
Hill and you got to go to this four h
building and whatever. I mean, it was be like, can
we just get to the midway? So and I subjected
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my kids to the same thing when we went there,
So I totally understand that. By the way, my dad
just turned ninety nine. I came back and played with
him a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, so I just
was back there.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Just crazy. That's outstanding.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Now, let's remind folks again you and Terry will be
at the State Fair performing Homecoming, a celebration of the
Minneapolis Sound for the Grandstand Concert series.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Guards. He reminds me.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
The tickets will go on sale this Friday, and you
can get them via minute am Nstatefair dot org slash Grandstand.
This Friday is when the whole thing begins. Great to
catch up, my friend. If you need anything, let us
know anything we can talk about that you think might
be worthy of our audience. Always have time for you
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on this program and we'll try to stay in touch
as always.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Thank you. That's Jimmy jam Harris.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Outstanding work and a great conversation with him, as it
often is. Let's make this the bottom of the hour pause.
Louie in about one hour on the big Minnesota Wild
goaltending change. His reaction to that, chances for the team
to rebound tonight, a game that of course, of course
can be heard on the fan.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Louie at five thie, so no Ballstead and met.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Tonight, we're back with the to the Gus bus the goaltender,
a change announced earlier today. That'll be a big part
of the conversation with lou Nanny Wild needing to win
tonight to avoid coming back home down to oh and
I get it.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
What you're supposed to do is hold serve, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I'm not here to declare the series over if the
Wild don't lose or do not win tonight. But I
also think what we've tended to learn about these series
is that you can't necessarily count on winning every game
at home anyway. And that's why I think things are
going to feel a lot differently if the Wild they're
able to return home with a split, then if they
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get down to nothing now always the devils in the details.
Much of our reaction might depend on how they lose
or how they win. Right are they routed? Are they dominated?
Are they not even a factor? And of course, the
worst case scenario would be that the Lance score seven
more goals tonight or eight or nine, even with the
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goaltender change, and then in your back to well his
Flower available? Could we maybe get Flower for Game three?
He's I think he is can we activate him? Can
we can we sign him? That's about the eight or
nine goals? What if one's an empty netter outlets? That
was the comeback from from Heinz yesterday, sister from six
to one to two. Guy, I'm enjoying the Jimmy jam interview.
(29:10):
Janet Jackson on Letterman Show made me question my sexuality
for a minute, but the fellows won out. She made
Dave scirm like no other woman could. Yeah, that's I
don't remember that. I don't either, to be honest with you,
I have no recollection. I only remember drunk Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That was Yeah. That was one of the mythical moments.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
She was was Drew the one who got up on
the desk and started dancing and then she yes, she
her front her chest to yeah to uh to mister
letter Yes, I but I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
I I don't doubt that that might that today the case?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
In all honesty, though, how good is it to be
these guys because to a certain extent, you think, all right, well,
you associate them mainly with Janet Jackson, and that's big enough.
It's like you don't need to do anything else. But
that feels like a long time ago. But they've reinvented.
Jimmy and Terry have reinvented themselves as record producers are
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not performers many times over, and now you could argue
there's big now as they've ever been. I mean, you're
doing residencies at Vegas Vniche, that's what everybody says. You're
still spinning out number one hits on the R and
B charts, You're still working with people, You're doing documentaries,
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You're being celebrated by New York Times on this list
of the thirty best American Living songwriters. I mean, that's
all pretty good. If this is like their twilight years,
you know, like that, that's not bad at all. That's
that would be the that'd be everybody else's prime.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
He really had the perfect description for it, though, that
eventually old becomes vinted.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
And there's a big difference between old and vintage, and
we see it all the time exactly, and we are
in the vintage era right now.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yes, people like.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Lori Fisher are tripping all over themselves to get the
nineteen eighty seven World Series Champion twin sweatshirt. Think about it,
an original one or one that just looks like it, right,
These companies are making vintage, yeah, style clothing because that's
what everybody's into, at least they were. Maybe that phase
is over, but old and vintage are kind of the same,
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but very very different. And I loved that description of
it when he talked about Terry and him. If you
can make a phone call and not have to go
through like eighteen layers of bureaucracy and Stevie Wonder comes
to the phone and then shows up pretty good with
the interviews.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yes, that's that's that's pretty damn good for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Brat Sewn and Brian Kafan text line is open at
six four six eight six. His dad, what do you say,
just turned ninety nine? Yes, cornbread ninety nine. We had
some Texters saying they, you know, they love seeing his
dad because he's still playing. He's still playing, and they
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had their big, you know, sort of reunion, emotional reunion
after a significant falling out for many many, many many
years too. And it is not difficult when I go
to Target Center to think of the days. Speaking of vintage,
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they don't feel old. They do feel vintage of when
it was, you know, it was Jimmy and his wife,
and I think Terry was there a decent old, but
Jimmy was there all the time. Literally right next I
mean the fifty yard line basically, center court, the two
best seats in the house basically, and that that's where
he was forever. And you know, I do think back
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and go, God, it's too bad to that extent that
they don't still base themselves here because this run has
been obviously like no other, no run that they were
able to participate in back in the day, right, I
mean the KG run was one year, right, other than
you know, a lot of good regular season records, and
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now it's every year. They're a factor. The Wolves are
a factor. They haven't won any championships yet, but they're
at least a fact.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
However, he was a part of. I think he went
to Game seven in Denver a few years ago. I
think the Timberwolds true. I think right, Ryan and Cass
and the old management, Yeah, they were smart enough.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
He's come back for some games.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
We've talked to him on those occasions, like you sat
next to Snoop, But one of them he did.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
He brought Snoopy the game. He did because it's.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Funny, right after the interview in his show the Snoop
Concert a Treasure Island, which is I think Labor Day
weekend as well, or right around there. That commercial played
and I'm like, I wonder how well Snoop and Jimmy
know each other? Well they sat next to each other.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
And the other thing I think we could do, and
maybe one of these times we have him on, is
just do a show where we just I just get
a list of about twenty performers and just have him
riff on his experiences or knowledge of them or experience
either working with them or just observing their own place.
That would be in of itself. That'd be a great hour.
(34:10):
Maybe sometime this summer before the Fair, but after the
Wolves have wrapped up the NBA title, the Wild have
wrapped up the cup, and the Twins are in last place,
and we're looking for the Abyss and we're looking for
something else to talk about.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Two easy options.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
We do it after the day after he plays at
the ten Wolves parade in town, that's true, or the
day or two before they do the show with the
State Fair. He comes out to the State Fair and
does it there.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
That'd be a great stat Fair hour.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
That would be outstanding as well be a state fair.
Let's get caught up. We went along with Jimmy, so
let's get caught up. We have top five at five
yet to come. We got Louis at five point thirty
with goaltender change reaction and maybe more general reaction beyond
that to what he saw in game number one.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Get back to one aspect of the Wolves victory in
Game one that we've talked a lot about with Mike
and Norri. But is Sneaky Big that I think indicates
a bit of a media blindness that needs to be revealed, exposed,
and maybe even ripped. We'll get to that when we return.
(35:38):
We have, I think, in the basketball culture an unnatural
fear and trepidation of being on the wrong end of
a block shot.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
And by that, I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
It's almost as if when said shot is blocked by
one of let's say your players, it's it's it feels
as if there's an embarrassment that's supposed to be attached
to Oh man, he just swadded that round out of it.
(36:17):
He just he just he just nullified that shot. And
I bring it up because I think it's directly connected
to Game one of the Wolves Spurs series and perhaps
much of the rest of it as well. Among my
(36:38):
media brethren, I sometimes get the impression like we'll stop
being stupid and driving to the basket knowing that when
Banyama is going to erase it. Now, I'm not here
to tell you that there that discretion occasionally is not
(37:00):
the greater form of valory. Yeah, you have to try
to be smart with it. But I think we have
to get over this notion. And thank god the Wolves
did that. If you get your shot blocked, you don't
want to go back there because you'll be embarrassed again.
You can't worry about being embarrassed. And in our business,
(37:20):
the media business, I think it's bizarre.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
But that's what I've heard a lot of.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Today, like well, yeah, two shots blocked in the first
minute of the game, almost like, well the Wolves should
have gone home at that point, right, No, what you
continue to do is challenge now again. Do you challenge judiciously?
Do you try to challenge smartly? There's a lot of
ways to look at that, but I think it's the
(37:46):
exact opposite of what some of these national media folks
are saying, which is which almost seems to be.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Don't even ever bother.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
And thank god that wasn't the message that Finchy and
Mike and Nore and the staff delivered to the team.
As we talked about with Micah between three point thirty
and four o'clock, it was no, you keep going after it.
I mentioned the quote from Jaden after the game. It
was my favorite quote to come out of the game
last night. You just got to act like he's not there.
(38:17):
I mean, he's going to get blocks. He's the tallest
person in the world. Just keep consistently attacking him. Sometimes
he might not be there, sometimes he might catch you,
but just keep going.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
They did. They got fifty two points in the paint.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yes, And that tells me they don't give a damn
about an occasional shot being swatted out of the air,
because if you play that game out of the fear,
it's almost like it's that it's that twenty twenty six
mentality of oh do you see how embarrassed that guy
should be when somebody so and so dunked over him?
(38:53):
Right Like, at that point that matters more than going
out and winning the game. We're so imprisoned by these
stupid viral images and and and to the point where
I don't even think there's anything smart about the approach
that that that people almost seen me saying, well, that's
(39:14):
what you don't even try.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Don't even try because you know you'll be end up.
You know you'll end up on.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
The wrong side of that picture when Benyala's gonna swat
it into the third row and then you're gonna be
embarrassed by it. Is it really all that embarrassing to
be to have your shot blocked by a seven to
six guy. No, No, it's the opposite of that. And
I loved that they said we are going to challenge,
(39:39):
we are going to continue to try to get to
the basket. Now, if you do it strategically and rightly,
you try to do it when maybe the big man
is otherwise occupied or as was the case a couple
of times sealed off by Julius Randall.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yes, that's the smart way to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
But this idea that you almost have to apologize and
you can't know learn your wolves, learn your lesson, he's
just going to embarrass you. That would have guaranteed the
Wolves lost Game one and they still may lose the series.
I'm out here declaring that the series is over, although
I very much now think they're absolutely in it and
can win it on the basis of what we saw
(40:18):
in Game one.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
But you know the you know the vibe I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I was gonna say, your national media spirit animal needs
to be Windy Brian Windhorst, because I was watching Get Up,
as I want to do after the Power Trip Morning
Show stream eight to nine, I watched the replay of
Get Up, and everyone was aroused by the Wenby blocks
as you should be.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
There was twelve of them, right, Yes, it was set
the record. He was dominant on that side. NBA playoff record.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Wendy was the Wendy was the one that said, you know,
on five of those the Wolves got the ball back.
I mentioned that to Mike, Yes, and you made the
shots blah blah blah. And on the on the one
where everybody he was going crazy, I can't remember who
it was, if it was Shannon Randall, maybe the biggest
play of the game. It gets swatted off the glass.
(41:08):
It's emphatic. Jaden McDaniels gets it, drives it, kicks it
to Mike Conley. Three pointer, Wolves up nine Timeout, San Antonio,
Davey and that you could.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Argue is your bullet ball game.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yeah, and great effort played by Jaden by the way,
because if he doesn't get it, it's a fast break
the other way. And then that block is the lead
was six, it turns to four on a fast break dunk.
It's probably time out Wolves at that point. But I
know exactly what you're talking about, and we haven't talked
about this part of the game. But in one thing,
(41:40):
I just think Finch and whoever decided it, they have
cajones to do it, and it won him the game,
in my opinion. Was taking Rudy off the floor, Yes,
because stended period and that can't be easy because you
need him.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
And jod Wenby a mythic series.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yes, but Wemby was not as you would expect guarding
him at all. He was just floating around and looking
to block anything. And they took him off the floor.
They put Nas in, they put Nads in the corner.
Wemby didn't go out there at least once Nas hit
a huge three in the corner right in front of
the Wolve's bench where Wemby was his guy because he
(42:16):
was looking to block a shot. And then the next
time Jaden drove Wemby couldn't really help exactly right, and
he got Jaden ended up getting fouled. Now it was
the Wolves, so he probably missed one of them last night,
the free throws.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
But that's the point. I thought that moved well for
twenty one from the floor.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
It was crazy, but to take Rudy off the floor
because they he's just offensively meaningless, especially with Wemby, and
Wenby could just leave him and do whatever he wanted.
When they put Nads in there, it gave him the
space in that fourth quarter that that group played a
little bit faster. And but that goes back to using
their big advantage against them, that Wenby wants to block everything.
(42:54):
He's in the lane, Well we're gonna put nas Read
there and credit to him, he knocked on a couple
of huge shots and that gave them the you know, the.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
The block shot is. It's an imposing play. It's an
important play in terms of what it represents. I'm not
here to minimize it. But you can't play worried about
being embarrassed, and it should the message shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Be we got to back off to pull up, tell
you jump shot.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Well, yeah, sometimes that does make sense mid range, but
not all of the time. And I think again they
they won the battle last night in that they ended
up with fifty two points in the paint.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I'll tell you this, for all of the.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Discussion about the historic nature of the twelve block shots,
Wolves are going to be fine if the rest of
this series, Wemby finishes with more block shots than points.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yes, he did last night. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Now he's probably never going to shoot as poorly as
he did last night, but he finished with twelve blocks
and eleven points. That's a winning formula for the Minnesota
Timberwolves for And if he wants to take eight threes,
have at it. Yeah, that's what I know he can
make it. We'll get back into that maybe during the
Top five. The other another one of the comments Micah
made that I think is sneaky insightful regarding the Wolf
(44:12):
strategy on Wemby and on almost making it seem like
it's another example of like with Joker, we want to
make him really work and work hard in minutes that
he is flat out not accustomed to play. Big change
between the regular season and the postseason Top five will
include what else Twins are back in action? Everybody's excited
(44:34):
about that. We will talk more Timberwolves, and here from
the head coach, John Hines on why they're making the
Goldie move tonight before Game two
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