July 2, 2026 • 44 mins
Michael Russo joins to recap what was a busy day two of free agency for the Minnesota Wild including the Jake Middleton trade and what he's hearing about Dylan Larkin.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right, it is indeed Russo radio time via the
Connectico Water Systems hotline six four six eighty six. If
you have questions for Russo as we say hello to him.
A quick reminder, as I mentioned, Spain has won its
game eliminated Austria three nil. A second game today is
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Portugal Croatia. In fact, the winner of that game will
play Spain in the round of sixteen, and then tonight
the late game is Switzerland versus Algeria. Russo, you're a
hockey guy, but you also pay attention. So have you
has this event captured your imagination? Are you kind of interested?
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Are you utterly bored with it? How would you describe
your approach with the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I've actually watched a bunch of the games. I've seen
every USA game, although for some reason I thought yesterday's
game started eight and started seven, so I missed the
first half. And then I've seen a bunch of the Canadians.
So I watched Canada and play the other day against
Morocco and that was an awesome game. And actually I've
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been really quite interested. I mean, you know, these games
have all come down to the wire. There's been a
bunch of last second goals and in in injury time.
I thought I was fascinated by the Pentalley shootout the
other night. You know that that was unbelievable watching that game,
and and I mean last like yesterday's free kick was
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amazing as well. So yeah, I've watched a bunch of
the games.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, it's it's been.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think it's been fun for us to get into
and I think obviously for the having when you got
in this case, you got Canada in the round of sixteen,
You've got the USA honestly, and you got Mexico. The
Mexico Island matchup in in the Belly of the Beast
right in the Mexico City is going to be that
whole scene that the scene itself is going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, it's awesome. And you know, unlike the NHL, they
have a playoff playoff format that makes sense. So that's
been that's been as fun as well.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah, maybe you should mention that next time you
talk to your buddy the commissioner.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah. Yeah, and the Panther. We got into an argument
in one of the recent podcasts.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Another one man.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah he's yeah, yeah, we always do. But you don't.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
All right, So let's start with the deal that we made.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You've already have a nice piece, lengthy piece online via
the Athletic on it, we send Jake Middleton to Calgary
for what and who?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, Blake Coleman and and Oli Mada. Both of them
have been around forever, you know. Coincidentally, both of them
won consecutive Stanley Cuffs, one with Pittsburgh and one with
Tampa Bay. You know, I've I I will say I'm
not the biggest only Mada fan. I haven't been for
a long time, but you know, he's a cheaper and
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analytics wise, a much more stable option than Jake's been
the last couple of years, especially on the penalty kill
where we know Jake didn't have a great postseason. You know,
I'm still so sorry to see Jake go. He was
one of the best players I've ever covered. Just a
great character, got it incredible to deal with. So so
he'll be missed inside that locker room of personality they'll
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be missing and you know, to go along with Zucurello
in terms of Blake Coleman, great guy. Coincidentally, his brother
lives right here in Minneapolis. For the last ten years
as child psychologist here and two days ago actually jokes
with him, we got to figure out a way to
get you up here, and here you go. He gets
to call a couple of days later because he's been
on the block for a long time. I mean, he's
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a really good player, you know, high energy, great, great
penalty killer, could score goals on the penalty kill and
he's somebody the while at least on the way that
they're lining up currently forecast, they figured that he'll be
probably their second line left wing to start the year. Now,
there's a lot of offseason left, as I've published the
depth chart three four days in a row, and he
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just keeps on changing, you know, by the day. So
who knows what tomorrow brings for right now, a really
good you know, audition and a cheaper and faster edition,
and younger a little bit than than andrews Lee would
have been if he had taken the contract yesterday. So
I think the Wild feels like they you know, figured
out a good way to react to that. And then
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they signed a kid today, a flyer and a kid
named Maxim Shabanov. He's an absolute KHL star. Played one
years to the Islanders on and there's somebody that they
often also think could play not only top nine, but
Garan said top six today, So we'll see how good
he is. But again, this is a kid that was
a stud in the KHL before he came here from
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Russia last year.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Louis on Tuesday basically said it's pretty obvious that Zagurella
is not going to be resigned here. They've they've weighed
too long, and so they're letting them go, you know,
to market whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And he was down about it. He he still feels
like it might be a mistake.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Now we're making some other moves here. Now, what's your
best reporting? Tell you about how and why the Gharan decision.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Obviously this was a wild decision was made to let
him go.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I just think that I think it all comes
down to Game four. Remember, you know, a lot of
us made a huge feel about Game five and then
blowing that frequent lead Colorado. He was pissed about Game four,
I mean really pissed, and I think he autopsied that
and really decided that he needed to eat into the
top six there. I think, you know, Corels made his bed.
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He signed here for eight more years at seventeen million
per and obviously you can't do anything about that. But
you know, he did not like the way that the
two of them played in Game four playing East West
Brandon Hockey. You know, I watched the game over again.
Crow probably had fourteen giveaways in that game. And and look,
you know this is not to sit there and excuse
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Carill or blame everything on Zuki, but the reality is
that Zuki is a security blanket and he kind of
draws him into that type of give and go game.
So I you know, look, Bill, Bill can't just come
out and say it because it puts him a tough
position with Carill and he doesn't want it the same Zukurello.
But I think that's what it came down to. And
then the other thing is, obviously we know that Jake
Milton did not play well in that Colorado series, especially
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in an elevated role once Bardian got hurt, and so
I think that he is kind of reacting to it
that way. So I as far as what louis and
being down on it, you know, I think it's a
huge risk as well. I mean, look, at some point
you're gonna have to pull the band aid off. Dukerella
is be thirty nine next season. Carill at some point
these eight years are going to have to learn that
play with other players. But when you take a guy
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that could put fifty you know, put the puck on
a platter for Carill and it's had fifty assists and
you take him off the team, that's a lot of
production leading the lineup a huge, huge risk. He's also
an extremely respected guy in that room. I remember they
got off to a horrific start last year, won five
of their first what thirteen or so games, and then
next thing you know, Zucarella comes back in the lineup
and they had points in twelve straight and turned the
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entire season around. So he's still a very very good
and productive player. But they clearly just decided to move on,
you know, well in advance of free agency, and we
were forecasting that really the last month in the Athletic.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Five oh seven.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Guy wants clarification on the Zucarilla contract listed a one million,
but I've heard rumors. She writes that he has a
lot of sneaky bonuses built in and confirm his actual
country value.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's more like six mil, isn't that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, it's actually six and a half that can get
up to he can get up to five hundred thousand
dollars in the playoffs, but if he just played ten games,
he gets a five million dollar bonus. So it's essentially
a way to circumvent the cap, and that the league
is allowing. That's you know, like the wild game zac
Segosi in a games played both but it's he has
to hit sixty and it's for one hundred grand, right,
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you know. This is if he hits ten games, he
gets five million, so you know, and the way the
reason for that is that you're allowed in the NHL.
There's no it's not like, you know, there's no luxury tax.
You can't. There's no soft cap in the NHL. It's
a it's a hard cap. But the only exception are
bonuses where and there's only three different criteria. Player that
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can even get bonus is one entry level guys once
guys that are thirty five years or more on a
one year deal, and the other is guys that missed
more than one hundred days on injure reserve the year before.
That's it in the NHL. And then if you go
over the cap after the season is done, that overage
goes on to the following year. Well, the Wild, you know,
they can't just do that. You know, they were willing
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to get played ball with those types of contracts, but
they couldn't do something like that because again they're trying
to sign Quinn Hughes. They're gonna have a bunch of
other spending that they have to do next year, so
you can't just keep on punting all the pain to
future years. So that was that was, you know, a
good way for LA to get this guy. And it
gives also Matt's a potential that if if LA doesn't
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have a good year, you know, he's got a one
year deal, no trade clause, he could dictate, you know,
where he goes at the trade deadline. Maybe he even
comes back here. Who knows, if LA doesn't play well
this year.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So let's see the way it goes.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
The only thing I'll say about that is, you know,
like it is a little bit revision as history to
say that's why the Wild didn't sign up. The Wild
made there. They decided to walk to cut the course
of Mats. They could have probably gotten Mats to take
a two year deal at three million per or something
like that. This is just the way that La got
him in free agency. So you know, I don't I
don't think we should just say, well, obviously he got
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a six and a half night out of contract. The
Wild couldn't do something that that ludicrous. The Wild could
have gotten him, he would have played ball. They just
decided it was time to move on. They still feel
like they have a path to get him. I think
one probably reason for that is, you know, they they're
in a lot of conversations with his agent a lot.
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There's a very finite list of players of teams that
he's willing to go to. One of them with Florida.
Florida has no interest in him anymore. They don't have
the money to get him. The other is Vegas. It
really doesn't look like Vegas is is positioning itself to
get him. So then you have if you just assume
he's not going to expand his list, and you assume
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that they're going to play a game of chicken with
Steve Eiserman at some point, there's no way he's going
to have his captain back in that team without treating him.
The Wild might be the only bitter at the table,
so to speak, on a team that he's willing to
go to. So I think they still think there's a
path to get them, you know, as they showed yesterday
when they you know, came up empty head handed. The
free agency. Tomorrow is always another day. Just because they
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did nothing yesterday didn't mean they weren't going to do
something today. And just because they did a bunch of
stuff today, it doesn't mean that at some point they're
going to do more not do more this summer. So
I still keeping my phone on and not putting it down,
because you just never know this summer when something like
that that can happen.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
All right, let's talk about Valstat for a minute in
this context, because I've heard a couple things. Again, I
think this was Louis on Tuesday, maybe someplace else. I'm
not sure that he didn't think necessarily that Detroit would
be looking for goaltender and that then maybe it would
have to be the kind of deal where a third
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team is involved. But here's what fascinated me up until Tuesday.
Louis was in the camp and said not for Larkin,
I'm not giving up Valstead. I think that's a bridge
too far, But he's weakening on that and admitted he's
softening on that. So if there's a way to make
him part of the deal to actually get it done,
even if there has to be a third team involved,
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where are you on that whole discussion on whether the
Wild at this moment can afford to include Larkin in
the deal. I should, excuse me, include Fasta in the
deal that ultimately might lead to them getting Larkin.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well, let's say if Gustus is completely healthy, I would
think that that there'd be no way or there would
be a very good chance of it. Right now, I'm
not sure. I mean, obviously Picker can play some games.
If they ever traded, Waal said, they would have to
get some sort of other goalie in here. There are
goalies available. You know, from what we understand from talking
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to people close to Gustuson, things are looking great after
his surgery and he's on the bend, and they you know,
the timeline with Gustuston's camp and the Wild is consistent
that they think called me back in November. The reality
is is that when you look at the wild cap
situation and we know they're going to sign Quinn Hughes,
you know, right now Waalstet's gonna be up for a
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big contract next year if he's the number one, and
the question is that you're gonna have two goalies that
you're going to have huge money on. So it would
not shock me at some point that evolves that is traded.
I do think that Bill Garant nothing is off the
table with Bill Garran. I don't think he wants to
trade Volstet, But I think if there was a way
to do it and get himself a number one center
and the win now vode the while they're in, he
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would absolutely do it. And but you're right, it might
take a third team to have to do this because
you know, everything that we hear from Detroit standpoint is
that they obviously they have John Gibson, you know, they
they believe that Troy Trey Augustine is their goalie in
the future. So I don't know if they have a
lot of interest involved that. The problem that I see
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so far with the wild is I think it's extremely
clear that Genella you're off and Charlie Streamol right now
aren't exactly enamoring Steve Eisaman make that trade. So you know, again,
we'll see where it goes. But I let's put this way,
I think Bill Garran would do anything to get you know,
a Dylan Larkin in here, short of trading a Boldie
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of favor hughes a Presos and ericksonat guys like that?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Did you that was that your report who reported that
that's who Detroit keeps coming back to as wanting was
that you that does that?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And no offense. But he throws a lot of stuff
out there, and he had something on the Wild a
couple like a week ago that was just completely all
that he had the Wild going after Thomas Shirtle and
I knew right when I saw the tweet that it
just was so you know, I think that he does
a radio show. It's a pure hockey radio show. So
the way it works with you know, aggregates is that
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he just throws out opinion and it becomes like fact
and then everybody just goes with it. So obviously, I mean,
Steve Eiserman would trade Matt BOLDI would trade del Ark
and right now probably straight up for Matt Boldie.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
That makes no sense from the Wild standpoint though, right yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Texter seven one five, assuming strams on the team in
the fall and not traded, does russo believe there's room
for him in Saint Paul at this point.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's from Nick.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, right now they only have two point nine million
dollar cap space. That's really about two million in cap space. Uh,
you know, once they signed Name and Hunt, so they
probably have to you know, a hater or or a
Stram will make the team. They're probably gonna have to
make a move. They do have room for for him.
I do think at some point it wouldn't shock me
if they traded like a Nico Sterm for a pick
or something like that to free up a little more
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cap space. If Charlie's comes here and he looks good
in camp, I mean you know they're gonna they're gonna
put him on the team. I think it's less likely
for him than it is for Hunter Heat, especially the
way you know, right now they have thirteen forwards signed up,
including Europe, on this team. So you know, I think
hete because he has equity, because he's played in professional
hockey for a couple of years. Most likely he's got
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a better inside chance of making the team than a
stream all who's coming right off to college. I unfortunately,
you know, wasn't able to sign the entry level the
old last year because he broke his ankle on his
last college game. So you know, I still think he
starts in Iowa and gets a little runway. That's usually
the way that Bill Garrant doesn't.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Where are any other any other sniffs right now? There
any Is there anybody, uh, you know, kind of off
the beaten track that you think we should be talking
about that might be in the mix that we You know,
some of the names are prominent, we know them, But
is there anybody we're leaving out that you you've heard about?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
No, I mean, I you know, I could tell you
the while that definitely checked in on the Q. I
don't think they're getting any impression that New Jersey wants
to to to to move him. Austin Matthews is somebody
the Wild would have interest in if he was available.
He's made it extremely clear that he plans to go
back to Toronto and not force his way out like
we've seen some of these other players do. So I
don't you know, there's no there's no other centers out
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there that right now that I think the Wild could
be in on, you know, and unless it was like
a Thomas Shurtle or something like that, and I don't
think Wild want to do that because that would that
would essentially help Bigas get a Dylan Larkin. So I
I I and you know, after their moves today, I
don't see how the Wild really can sign another one
of these free agents. So I think right now this
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is the team. I bet they take a pause. I
think they'll keep trying to pursue you know, Dylan Larkin
and hope that Dylan essentially doesn't expand his list and
that at some point, you know, Steve Eiserman is just
not going to want to return him here. But Steve Eiserman,
you know, look, he's got you know, five years left
on his contract. He's got no reason to sit there
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and just give Dylan to Larkin away for a package.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That he doesn't like.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
And so if Dylan Larkin's got to go back there,
as awkward as it would be, especially since I got
to think they'd stripped the sea from him, you know,
Steve Eisman is the type of guy that would probably
do that. So we'll see. He's a stubborn guy. He's
waited a lot, He's had many many his historical experiences
of players asking for trades out and teams that he's
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you know, he had it last year with Latimer Tarasenko.
He wanted out in Tampa Bay, Marty Sina Louis, Jonathan
Drewin has to be traded, and he a lot of
times makes these guys wait until he gets the packer
that he was like, he was fine getting rid of
Tarasenko because he just wanted him off the team. But
clearly he waited until he got what he wanted for
guys like drew In.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And U Marty San Louis, what does this sentence mean?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
In your most recent piece, they've also called on New
Jersey Jackies, Quinn's younger brother, although Larkin is the one
they know remains available this offseason.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, he's you know, look as the wild that would
be foolish not to ask for Jack. You know, he'd
obviously wait. You know, it's funny enough, just like Jake Middleton,
Uh well, Ashley, Jake had a no move clause yesterday
and then it became a modified no trade. So when
Calgary wasn't on it, Billy pounced. But Larkin or Hughes,
Jack Hughes had no no trade protection as of two
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days ago. And then you got to modify no trade. Obviously,
Minnesota is not on that list, so you know you'd
be foolish not to at least check, especially because right
now they need a goalie, you know, in some capacity.
But from everything I hear league wide, I don't think
Jack's is available now. But but so Larkin is the
only guy out there. And you know, I know there's
not a lot of people that don't think he's your
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prototypical number one center, but there's no there's no hockey
player stores I wrote a couple of weeks ago. You know,
he's the guy available right now. And he is a
stud I mean, you put him on the line, even
though he's a shooter and not really a playmaker. You
put him on a line with a Bowldier, Caprice uff
and I guarantee he's he's scoring a ton of goals here,
and he's an incredible penalty killer. You know, he's super fast,
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he's absolutely competitive. This heck, I think it would be
a great move if the Wild can figure out a
way to get them.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Okay, So one of the debates that's broken out is
what the priority should be in a world where you
maybe can't always.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Be as choosy as you'd like to be.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Is it essential in your view based on the way
this roster is constructed as of now, that you concentrate
on a center, an impact center, or is it more no,
get if we can get a high impact wing as
long as it's a forward, we don't have to get
as hung up Even now, we don't have to get
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hung up as much on the center issue.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Where are you on that debate?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I think they should go after a center. That's why
I was so confused. Not confused because I knew that
if he ever became available, that really would go hard
after him. But I definitely think that they probably lucked
out by not getting Brady Chuck because they offered probably
three first round picks and one of those prospects for
k Chuck and then next thing, you know, you definitely
wouldn't be able to get that center because you don't
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have the assets anymore. So I still think center is
the area where this team, you know, uh, really loses
in the playoffs and needs to upgrade. You know, when
you have pre Soft and Boldie on one line or
separate lines, that's pretty good obviously, you know, losing Zukerrella
Johanson Tirasenko. That hurts Coleman's on your par typical prototypical
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number two winger. But if you know what I do
like is like, let's just say you can get a
Larkin without giving up a heart. And you know, you
have Larkin and Eric Snakins your top two centers. You
can move Apartment over the right wing, and you're looking
pretty good because he's got the ability to score goals
and play and can play top six minutes or maybe
Brink breaks out this year, and and and you can
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move him up in your lineup. You know, we'll see
what they have in the Shabanov kid that they that
they signed today, that they think highly of. But I
think the priority needs to be center right now.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You quote Bill garn yesterday as saying the following, I
do think we're better today. I think the guys that
we're bringing in will provide us with a little bit
of a different law.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And it's just funny how things work out.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I understand how people could be worried when we have
these players to uh these holes to fill with popular
players everybody likes, including me, But sometimes you just really
have to be patient. Do you agree with the notion
that the Wild are better today, Yeah I do.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And and again that that actually quote was from today,
so that was that was yes, Thursday today.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, today is Thursday. What am I thinking?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, and and and the reason
and that was a question to me, And look, I
love andrews Lee, but andrews was going to cost the
Wild three three years at five million at thirty six.
He's not the fleet of the foot, and I just
I think that getting a Coleman at half price, maybe
more than half rice because he's only cost in the
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Wild two point four or five million with only one
year of his deal. He's a much better skater. He's
not nearly as offensive as an andrews Lee, but he
could play the penalty kill. You can put him on
the second line. But he also what I like about
it is he has one year left on his contract,
not three, and was going to be here for one year.
I think it was a great move for the Wild.
So I think that today, you know, So the the
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context of the question I asked was, you know, yesterday,
I'm sure if Bill Gerran was bummed as heck when
when Andrew said no to them. But then today is
a new day. And they go get play Coleman. And
now the way their roster shaped up, it actually for
now in the future might be a little easier, you know,
to to make some moves. It gives them more flexibility.
The other thing is, let's just say this season goes
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belly up now, it gives them another guy at the
trade deadline. Besides, like Ryan Hartman, that that a lot
of teams will cover it and maybe you can get
some some you know, a package of picks for or
or or you know, help you in the future. So
I just think that today was probably a you know, look,
they would have loved Andrewsley here. But if andrews Ley
sam here, today wouldn't have happened, you know, So so
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they went to Plan B. But maybe Plan B turns
out to be better than Plan A.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Who knows is Patrick Kane one of the plans? How
many letters down is Patrick Kine in the mix?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You know, I don't know. Again, they only have two
point nine million in a cap space. I would love
Patrick Kane here. I've gotten the impression from Billy that
he's not an option. I've been curious if he'll re
sign him, you know, in Chicago, go back there. I've
been curious to maybe go to Buffalo, which is his
hometowns as parents will have there all that stuff, so
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we'll see. I don't think so Patrick is in the
cards right now.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Good meaty segment today, a lot for people to chew on.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Have a wonderful fourth of July.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I know you're a big cherry bombs and Sparkler's guy,
so I have, you know, trying to be safe. You
don't want to, you know, blow a finger off or
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know, just yeah, no, I will not be trust
me if I if I go to a fireworks show,
I will be watching and not partaking.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I just want to be sure. Thanks, we'll be in touch.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Thanks Ross absolutely Russo radio excellent half hour, covering a
lot of ground as only Russo can indeed do. I
hope you hockey fans are satisfied. Not necessarily that you
have to love every move, but I think we covered
a lot of ground, as we tried to do with
Russo every time. He is indeed part of the broadcast level.
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We'll expect it's an apology from him about an hour
from now to the Nation of Mexico.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
I don't hold my breath on that back in just
a minute, this two years ago today? Am I doing
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the math right? Yeah? Nineteen ninety four a horrific moment
in World Cup history. We alluded briefly to it the
other day.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Today's is good at time, given that unfortunate anniversary, to
remind people who maybe have forgotten about it, and maybe
some of the folks out there didn't even know of it.
Andres Escobar, just days after the Colombian soccer team suffered
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a shocking exit from the nineteen ninety four FIFA World Cup,
was murdered after an own goal he was obviously responsible for.
That match, of course, was against the United States on
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June twenty two, that opened the scoring, US ultimately beating Colombia.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Two to one, and the backdrop, I guess I'd forgotten
some aspects.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Of of that story, he had. They ended up finishing
last in their group, knocked out of the tournament, embarrassing performance.
Escabar decides he was actually originally going to remain as
an expert commentator. He decides to return to Colombia. I
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want to go to Columbia and show my face. His sister,
Maria Esther recalled him saying he also at the time
wrote a story a column that was published in a
Columbia newspaper called El Tempo, accepting responsibility for the team's
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disappointing showing.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Taking you know, like what do we ask for from athletes?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Is like, yeah, it was a full pelf at the time,
There's no question about it. A bit big hug. This
is how he ended that piece, A big hug to everyone.
And I want to say that it was a phenomenal,
rare opportunity experience unlike anything I ever felt before. See
as soon because life doesn't end here, the idea of
being He's trying to end the column on an encouraging noe.
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So July two, nineteen ninety four, he makes his first
public appearance.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Since the exit World Cup exit.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
He goes to a nightclub with friends in medeyin Colombia.
He gets harassed there by a number of individuals, a
group that included brothers named Pedro David and while Santiago Guilone.
They were known drug traffickers and later, apparently that same evening,
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as the story goes, they're in the club parking area,
members of the Guyon Brothers group again confront Escobar He
is then shot multiple times. Eyewitness accounts indicated that the
killers shouted the word goal as in goal repeatedly during
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the attack. Escobar is rushed to the hospital declared dead
about an hour later. Umberto Costro Munos, an enforcer for
the Gallone Brothers, confessed to committing the shooting the next day.
He was convicted and imprisoned a few months later. Now
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this story this is actually a kind of a backgrounder
out of Britannica dot com suggesting it's never been proved
that Escobar was killed because the own goal.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
His murder was seen in part.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
As an unfortunate consequence of the violence and criminal corruption
that plagued football in Columbia at that time, driven by
heavy investment in the sport by drug kingpins such as
the notorious Pablo Escobar, who of course was no relay
and who also ended up meeting his own violent end
months later. Now there's an update to the story from
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earlier this year that I missed completely.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I don't think we ever got to it. A drug traffier.
This is dateline. This is Feb two, Feb six, twenty
twenty six. This is a CBS story, A drug trafficker
linked to the nineteen ninety four murder of Colombian soccer
store Andres Escobar has been killed in Mexico. The president
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of the nation said that day Santiago Galon Heneo I
think they Golge was the name in question in the
britanicapiece had been investigated in the death of Escobar when
after he was gonned down in Mediane as we said,
days after scoring an own goal, and Galon and his
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brother allegedly confronted Escabar that nightclub. As we talked about
the brothers, driver Lumberto Munoz Castro admitted to the shooting
several times in the nightclub's parking lot.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
We talked about the goal part of this.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
The men were thought to have lost heavily after betting
on Columbia's performance at.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
The World Cup.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Betting is the root of all evil, Guardsy, It's the
root of all evil. The Mexican president said on Act
that Gallon was killed Thursday in Mexico and that he
indeed was responsible for Escobar's killing. Cycer Star's murder quote
destroyed the country's international image. The president said Galon was
shot dead in a restaurant in the State of Mexico,
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his brothers. He and his brother were investigator for instruction
of justice, span fifteen months in prison without being brought
to trial. Now, this story doesn't really give you much
detail on why he was shot all these years later.
I don't think one thing necessarily had anything to do
with the other. But it remains for me. And oh,
by the way, there's a lengthy piece is it via
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the Athletic Yeah, I'm reading it now. Yeah, that for
the first time the goalkeeper's brother speaks up in depth
and detail about what he remembers from that nightmare. It's
an excellent piece, lays out a lot of a lot
of the story and definitely worthy of taking a look
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at that if you get a chance. But guards it remains.
This remains one of those stories that is as chilling
as it is. It's it's compelling in that if indeed
it's about the own goal largely, it's the nightmare scenario,
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right because we want and I think what I've I've
come to appreciate about the soccer I've seen this time
around is without the level of passion that seems to
exist between fans and this sport. It doesn't feel as
intense as it has already felt right just this far.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Through the tournament. You want that you celebrate that.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And yet over the years we have talked about it,
especially not exclusively, but a lot in soccer.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
There's a line between.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Passion and calling something life and death in your passion
and emotion and making it about life and death, right,
I mean, and we've seen there have been other stories
from the world of soccer related to a referees who
have had to literally run for their lives. And that's
where it gets tricky when you say, no, that's history.
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You want people to be bitter, you want them to
care that much, but when they care this much, and again,
I'm sure the real story is more complicated, extremely violent country,
drugs everywhere, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
At the time it may not be as simple as
own goal. We got to kill him.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It is a reminder that there still need to be
limits and the notion on this unfortunate anniversary that.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
There was ever a time.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
When someone participating in an athletic competition and failing this
way results in murder, right murder, It kind of still
takes my breath away. This what do we say some
thirty two years later on this anniversary.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
One of the things his brother talks about in the
Athletic Story is the rest of the family stayed in
America after the World Cup.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
It was part of the plan. They were going to
do a little bit of a vacation.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
They were in Las Vegas when they found out, and
they wanted Escobar to stay with them. Yes, that's right,
all of that, that's right, and he said, no, I've
got to go face the music. I've got a full pelfit.
I've got to go back home. I've got to face
the music. I've got to live my life there. I'm
not going to hide. He wasn't much of a nightclub guy,
according to these stories, but he kind of felt like,
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I'm not gonna you know, obviously, it sounded like he
kind of felt like he needed to be out there.
And you mentioned the story that he wrote Life Goes
On and his brother talked about how they couldn't convince
him to stay with them because they just they felt
like he needed to, not that they thought that he
was going to be killed, but just so that they
could be there to support him, because it was obviously
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a bad situation for him with the own goal.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
By the way, the individual who confessed the killing. He
was sentenced to prison. He received originally a forty three
year sentence than what and was released after eleven years. Yeah, crazy,
after eleven years. And there's a photo accompanying this of
the ball either already in the net or approaching the net.
It's a it's an unbelievably effective photo. And Escobar is
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on his back look and his head is kind of
perked up, neck is up a little bit, and he's
looking towards the net, obviously noticing that that ball is
past him and he is not going to be able
to stop it. It's a somebody texted, you know, what's
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your point? There doesn't have to be a point. This
isn't This is where soccer people get in trouble, where
they think some kind of a state anti soccer statement
is being made by the person who reintroduces this story.
That's what hurts the soccer community and actually turns some
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people off to the game itself.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
It doesn't have to be a point. It happened.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
We follow stories on this show. It's World Cup. It
happens to be. This is July two, the anniversary of it,
and it's a stunning story.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Tragedy.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
And I'm assuming if you're the brother, for example, any
member of that family, you can't possibly ever get over it, right,
There's no chance, there's no way to reconcile it, there's
no way to finesse it. Not everything has to be
meant as a message, a political message of wow, this
is why soccer shouldn't be played, or it's a bad sport.
(36:32):
It's just all of the stunning human human elements of
this story is what drives me to it. And it
is that line where you go, we lose our minds, right,
and we say we use that term. Yeah, I gotta admit,
I know it's stupid, but it is kind of life
and death for me. How the vikings do. But we
don't mean it literally. And in this case, at least
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in part, it contributed to one individual losing his life
andres escobar or just an unbelievable and as I mentioned,
the athletic story which I left the print out, I
think by my cubicle. But it is very well done.
And what makes it stand out is I don't I
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think the brother has only spoken briefly. Yeah, this is
the first time. Kudos to the reporter. Maybe you can
do you give me the name so I'll give him
proper credit. And the writer who put the story together,
Felipe cardenis first time. Yeah, I think that there's been
any detail from where the family, at least the brother
has been willing to open up on the story.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Yes, and he talked about what you talked about the
killer now being gone and I'm gonna scroll down if
I can find it.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well, there was a quote somewhere, either from him or
from from the maybe a sister, basically saying, no, you
don't get any satisfaction out of it.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
He wrote.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
He said, it doesn't move me. Yeah, because if that
brought Andres back, fine, but it doesn't bring him back.
The only thing that matters is him and how much
we can miss him, the harm that was done to him.
No death is going to bring Andre's back down. Of
it makes me happy now, there's no question about that.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Need to pause.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Here's right. We got behind because we went long on
russo let's do that. I appreciate the reminder. We'll come
back and wrap up this hour. A couple of good
texts have come in. We still have top five at
five to get to. We've got bonus time. Well, not
really bonus time. We're moving Lavelle up a day because
tomorrow is the best of day. He will join at
about five point thirty. Kind of a callback to the
(38:45):
letters segment Doctor Dan's Inbox, including a letter from L.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
James six five.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
One guy writes regarding King James, how quickly we forget
Herschel Walker?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Huh what do you? What does that? What does one
have to do with the other?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Is so what I took it as is the suggestion
is don't do something will regret for decades like the
Vikings did with H.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Walker.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Well, I don't even want to say this as apples
and oranges. This is like apples and Ruda Vegas. It's
like apples and broccoli. I don't even know what to
tell you. Yeah, it's like I got nothing to do
with it.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I mean, the the the the fury associated with the
Herschel deal was not necessarily that he didn't pan out,
but how much they gave up in the process of
acquiring him.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
You're not giving up anything with L. James.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
So even if he comes here and it's a disaster,
that wouldn't be good. But it's not a disaster that's
going to continue to haunt you in terms of getting
adding more assets for the next five years. Now, the
amazing thing about the vikings to that period is they
remained relevant.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
And that's why LEA.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Look back on and say, well, God, what what if
we could have added a couple of impact players. Who knows,
maybe you would have celebrated a Super Bowl and a
Super Bowl victory.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
My whole life may have been different.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
It could have been very different the victory start tribute
and would have been a lot different.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
You gotta work on the Is that an analogy? No,
whatever it is, it's comparison comparison, it's not working. You're
trying too hard to get people to trigger people on
on herschel But I don't. I really don't think one
thing has much to do with the other. Are you
a great aeronautics mind, No, definitely not.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I got this fascinating supersonic speed. Yeah, I saw this.
Did you see this? Yeah? So I'm going to read
from somebody named.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Akash Gupta who sounds authoritative as hell.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I don't think it's a bit.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I feel better about it because you said you'd read
something about it. Here's what he writes regarding this issue
your six hour flight from LA to New York is
about to become a three hour flight, and it's legal
because engineers figured out how to bend sound. Since nineteen
seventy three, it has been a federal crime for any
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passenger plane to fly faster than the speed of sound
over American soil.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Did you know that? I didn't, But I'm a little
terrified by this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
That's why your cross country flight takes the same six
hours it took your parents. In the eighties, planes got
safer and more efficient, they never got faster.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
The law made faster illegal. The original reason was real.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
In the sixties, the government flew supersonic jets over Oklahoma
City eight times a day for six months to test
public reaction. The booms and cracked plaster, broke windows, and
generate and generated nearly ten thousand complaints, so the FAA
banned the speed itself.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
He claims, this is what's changed.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
The speed of sound, isn't It shifts with air temp,
which shifts with altitude. Fly high enough and fast enough
in the right conditions, and the shockwave physically bends, curving
back into the sky before it reaches the ground. The
boom still happens. It just never lands, so you don't
have to worry about cracked plaster. NASA measured what people underneath.
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Actually here a faint rumble about as loud as normal
street noise, no crack, no broken windows.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
So the FAA's new rule flips the logic.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Instead of banning the speed, it caps the sound allowed
to hit the ground. Stay quiet, and you can fly
as fast as the plane will go boom already proved
the tech Works tech Works in a real test flight
last year. The last time you could fly supersonic the concord.
The ticket costs about twelve thousand dollars for a round trip. Louis,
(42:53):
by the way, did fly it well? Talk to him
about it, of course, all shock and only cross the ocean.
The next version flies overland over your house and you'll
never never hear it coming.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
How do you now?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
It sounds like you're still shaky about was the plane
going to hold up?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Was that your issue? Yeah? I have a little bit.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
Said, I just saw the headline in the first couple
of sentences. I feel a little bit better now about
the reason why, because I made the assumption there had
to be a reason why they outlawed it that had
to do maybe more with safety, but it sounds like
it had to do more with the complaints in that neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
So that makes me feel a little bit better that
they've hopefully vetted it a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
So. If LA to New York.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Is six hours or three hours of the supersonic yeah,
LA to Minneapolis one and a half.
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Yeah, probably about ninety minutes, think about it. That'd be
pretty cool. It would be quick. What would what would
the price? What are the prices going to be?
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Like about the same.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
You're traveler guy, that's going well, given the way that
fairs have been this year and the fact that we're
losing all the low cost carriers and all the cheaper airlines,
it's probably going to approach that twelve thousand dollars that
you just talked about.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
What are you featuring in today's top five?
Speaker 5 (44:06):
We've got some soccer stuff, We've got Olivia Miles stuff.
We are still looking for the next power forward for
your Minnesota Timberwolves. And I'll tell you, and you'll be
happy about this, it will not be your guy
Speaker 1 (44:20):
SloMo Bumper to Bumper with Dan Burrero on the Fan
from the
All right, it is indeed Russo radio time via the
Connectico Water Systems hotline six four six eighty six. If
you have questions for Russo as we say hello to him.
A quick reminder, as I mentioned, Spain has won its
game eliminated Austria three nil. A second game today is
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Portugal Croatia. In fact, the winner of that game will
play Spain in the round of sixteen, and then tonight
the late game is Switzerland versus Algeria. Russo, you're a
hockey guy, but you also pay attention. So have you
has this event captured your imagination? Are you kind of interested?
(00:55):
Are you utterly bored with it? How would you describe
your approach with the World Cup.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I've actually watched a bunch of the games. I've seen
every USA game, although for some reason I thought yesterday's
game started eight and started seven, so I missed the
first half. And then I've seen a bunch of the Canadians.
So I watched Canada and play the other day against
Morocco and that was an awesome game. And actually I've
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been really quite interested. I mean, you know, these games
have all come down to the wire. There's been a
bunch of last second goals and in in injury time.
I thought I was fascinated by the Pentalley shootout the
other night. You know that that was unbelievable watching that game,
and and I mean last like yesterday's free kick was
(01:45):
amazing as well. So yeah, I've watched a bunch of
the games.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, it's it's been.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think it's been fun for us to get into
and I think obviously for the having when you got
in this case, you got Canada in the round of sixteen,
You've got the USA honestly, and you got Mexico. The
Mexico Island matchup in in the Belly of the Beast
right in the Mexico City is going to be that
whole scene that the scene itself is going to be unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, it's awesome. And you know, unlike the NHL, they
have a playoff playoff format that makes sense. So that's
been that's been as fun as well.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah, maybe you should mention that next time you
talk to your buddy the commissioner.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah. Yeah, and the Panther. We got into an argument
in one of the recent podcasts.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Another one man.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah he's yeah, yeah, we always do. But you don't.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
All right, So let's start with the deal that we made.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You've already have a nice piece, lengthy piece online via
the Athletic on it, we send Jake Middleton to Calgary
for what and who?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, Blake Coleman and and Oli Mada. Both of them
have been around forever, you know. Coincidentally, both of them
won consecutive Stanley Cuffs, one with Pittsburgh and one with
Tampa Bay. You know, I've I I will say I'm
not the biggest only Mada fan. I haven't been for
a long time, but you know, he's a cheaper and
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analytics wise, a much more stable option than Jake's been
the last couple of years, especially on the penalty kill
where we know Jake didn't have a great postseason. You know,
I'm still so sorry to see Jake go. He was
one of the best players I've ever covered. Just a
great character, got it incredible to deal with. So so
he'll be missed inside that locker room of personality they'll
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be missing and you know, to go along with Zucurello
in terms of Blake Coleman, great guy. Coincidentally, his brother
lives right here in Minneapolis. For the last ten years
as child psychologist here and two days ago actually jokes
with him, we got to figure out a way to
get you up here, and here you go. He gets
to call a couple of days later because he's been
on the block for a long time. I mean, he's
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a really good player, you know, high energy, great, great
penalty killer, could score goals on the penalty kill and
he's somebody the while at least on the way that
they're lining up currently forecast, they figured that he'll be
probably their second line left wing to start the year. Now,
there's a lot of offseason left, as I've published the
depth chart three four days in a row, and he
(04:10):
just keeps on changing, you know, by the day. So
who knows what tomorrow brings for right now, a really
good you know, audition and a cheaper and faster edition,
and younger a little bit than than andrews Lee would
have been if he had taken the contract yesterday. So
I think the Wild feels like they you know, figured
out a good way to react to that. And then
(04:30):
they signed a kid today, a flyer and a kid
named Maxim Shabanov. He's an absolute KHL star. Played one
years to the Islanders on and there's somebody that they
often also think could play not only top nine, but
Garan said top six today, So we'll see how good
he is. But again, this is a kid that was
a stud in the KHL before he came here from
(04:51):
Russia last year.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Louis on Tuesday basically said it's pretty obvious that Zagurella
is not going to be resigned here. They've they've weighed
too long, and so they're letting them go, you know,
to market whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And he was down about it. He he still feels
like it might be a mistake.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Now we're making some other moves here. Now, what's your
best reporting? Tell you about how and why the Gharan decision.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Obviously this was a wild decision was made to let
him go.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I just think that I think it all comes
down to Game four. Remember, you know, a lot of
us made a huge feel about Game five and then
blowing that frequent lead Colorado. He was pissed about Game four,
I mean really pissed, and I think he autopsied that
and really decided that he needed to eat into the
top six there. I think, you know, Corels made his bed.
(05:44):
He signed here for eight more years at seventeen million
per and obviously you can't do anything about that. But
you know, he did not like the way that the
two of them played in Game four playing East West
Brandon Hockey. You know, I watched the game over again.
Crow probably had fourteen giveaways in that game. And and look,
you know this is not to sit there and excuse
(06:08):
Carill or blame everything on Zuki, but the reality is
that Zuki is a security blanket and he kind of
draws him into that type of give and go game.
So I you know, look, Bill, Bill can't just come
out and say it because it puts him a tough
position with Carill and he doesn't want it the same Zukurello.
But I think that's what it came down to. And
then the other thing is, obviously we know that Jake
Milton did not play well in that Colorado series, especially
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in an elevated role once Bardian got hurt, and so
I think that he is kind of reacting to it
that way. So I as far as what louis and
being down on it, you know, I think it's a
huge risk as well. I mean, look, at some point
you're gonna have to pull the band aid off. Dukerella
is be thirty nine next season. Carill at some point
these eight years are going to have to learn that
play with other players. But when you take a guy
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that could put fifty you know, put the puck on
a platter for Carill and it's had fifty assists and
you take him off the team, that's a lot of
production leading the lineup a huge, huge risk. He's also
an extremely respected guy in that room. I remember they
got off to a horrific start last year, won five
of their first what thirteen or so games, and then
next thing you know, Zucarella comes back in the lineup
and they had points in twelve straight and turned the
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entire season around. So he's still a very very good
and productive player. But they clearly just decided to move on,
you know, well in advance of free agency, and we
were forecasting that really the last month in the Athletic.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Five oh seven.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Guy wants clarification on the Zucarilla contract listed a one million,
but I've heard rumors. She writes that he has a
lot of sneaky bonuses built in and confirm his actual
country value.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's more like six mil, isn't that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, it's actually six and a half that can get
up to he can get up to five hundred thousand
dollars in the playoffs, but if he just played ten games,
he gets a five million dollar bonus. So it's essentially
a way to circumvent the cap, and that the league
is allowing. That's you know, like the wild game zac
Segosi in a games played both but it's he has
to hit sixty and it's for one hundred grand, right,
(08:03):
you know. This is if he hits ten games, he
gets five million, so you know, and the way the
reason for that is that you're allowed in the NHL.
There's no it's not like, you know, there's no luxury tax.
You can't. There's no soft cap in the NHL. It's
a it's a hard cap. But the only exception are
bonuses where and there's only three different criteria. Player that
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can even get bonus is one entry level guys once
guys that are thirty five years or more on a
one year deal, and the other is guys that missed
more than one hundred days on injure reserve the year before.
That's it in the NHL. And then if you go
over the cap after the season is done, that overage
goes on to the following year. Well, the Wild, you know,
they can't just do that. You know, they were willing
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to get played ball with those types of contracts, but
they couldn't do something like that because again they're trying
to sign Quinn Hughes. They're gonna have a bunch of
other spending that they have to do next year, so
you can't just keep on punting all the pain to
future years. So that was that was, you know, a
good way for LA to get this guy. And it
gives also Matt's a potential that if if LA doesn't
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have a good year, you know, he's got a one
year deal, no trade clause, he could dictate, you know,
where he goes at the trade deadline. Maybe he even
comes back here. Who knows, if LA doesn't play well
this year.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So let's see the way it goes.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
The only thing I'll say about that is, you know,
like it is a little bit revision as history to
say that's why the Wild didn't sign up. The Wild
made there. They decided to walk to cut the course
of Mats. They could have probably gotten Mats to take
a two year deal at three million per or something
like that. This is just the way that La got
him in free agency. So you know, I don't I
don't think we should just say, well, obviously he got
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a six and a half night out of contract. The
Wild couldn't do something that that ludicrous. The Wild could
have gotten him, he would have played ball. They just
decided it was time to move on. They still feel
like they have a path to get him. I think
one probably reason for that is, you know, they they're
in a lot of conversations with his agent a lot.
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There's a very finite list of players of teams that
he's willing to go to. One of them with Florida.
Florida has no interest in him anymore. They don't have
the money to get him. The other is Vegas. It
really doesn't look like Vegas is is positioning itself to
get him. So then you have if you just assume
he's not going to expand his list, and you assume
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that they're going to play a game of chicken with
Steve Eiserman at some point, there's no way he's going
to have his captain back in that team without treating him.
The Wild might be the only bitter at the table,
so to speak, on a team that he's willing to
go to. So I think they still think there's a
path to get them, you know, as they showed yesterday
when they you know, came up empty head handed. The
free agency. Tomorrow is always another day. Just because they
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did nothing yesterday didn't mean they weren't going to do
something today. And just because they did a bunch of
stuff today, it doesn't mean that at some point they're
going to do more not do more this summer. So
I still keeping my phone on and not putting it down,
because you just never know this summer when something like
that that can happen.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
All right, let's talk about Valstat for a minute in
this context, because I've heard a couple things. Again, I
think this was Louis on Tuesday, maybe someplace else. I'm
not sure that he didn't think necessarily that Detroit would
be looking for goaltender and that then maybe it would
have to be the kind of deal where a third
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team is involved. But here's what fascinated me up until Tuesday.
Louis was in the camp and said not for Larkin,
I'm not giving up Valstead. I think that's a bridge
too far, But he's weakening on that and admitted he's
softening on that. So if there's a way to make
him part of the deal to actually get it done,
even if there has to be a third team involved,
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where are you on that whole discussion on whether the
Wild at this moment can afford to include Larkin in
the deal. I should, excuse me, include Fasta in the
deal that ultimately might lead to them getting Larkin.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well, let's say if Gustus is completely healthy, I would
think that that there'd be no way or there would
be a very good chance of it. Right now, I'm
not sure. I mean, obviously Picker can play some games.
If they ever traded, Waal said, they would have to
get some sort of other goalie in here. There are
goalies available. You know, from what we understand from talking
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to people close to Gustuson, things are looking great after
his surgery and he's on the bend, and they you know,
the timeline with Gustuston's camp and the Wild is consistent
that they think called me back in November. The reality
is is that when you look at the wild cap
situation and we know they're going to sign Quinn Hughes,
you know, right now Waalstet's gonna be up for a
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big contract next year if he's the number one, and
the question is that you're gonna have two goalies that
you're going to have huge money on. So it would
not shock me at some point that evolves that is traded.
I do think that Bill Garant nothing is off the
table with Bill Garran. I don't think he wants to
trade Volstet, But I think if there was a way
to do it and get himself a number one center
and the win now vode the while they're in, he
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would absolutely do it. And but you're right, it might
take a third team to have to do this because
you know, everything that we hear from Detroit standpoint is
that they obviously they have John Gibson, you know, they
they believe that Troy Trey Augustine is their goalie in
the future. So I don't know if they have a
lot of interest involved that. The problem that I see
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so far with the wild is I think it's extremely
clear that Genella you're off and Charlie Streamol right now
aren't exactly enamoring Steve Eisaman make that trade. So you know, again,
we'll see where it goes. But I let's put this way,
I think Bill Garran would do anything to get you know,
a Dylan Larkin in here, short of trading a Boldie
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of favor hughes a Presos and ericksonat guys like that?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Did you that was that your report who reported that
that's who Detroit keeps coming back to as wanting was
that you that does that?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And no offense. But he throws a lot of stuff
out there, and he had something on the Wild a
couple like a week ago that was just completely all
that he had the Wild going after Thomas Shirtle and
I knew right when I saw the tweet that it
just was so you know, I think that he does
a radio show. It's a pure hockey radio show. So
the way it works with you know, aggregates is that
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he just throws out opinion and it becomes like fact
and then everybody just goes with it. So obviously, I mean,
Steve Eiserman would trade Matt BOLDI would trade del Ark
and right now probably straight up for Matt Boldie.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
That makes no sense from the Wild standpoint though, right yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Texter seven one five, assuming strams on the team in
the fall and not traded, does russo believe there's room
for him in Saint Paul at this point.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's from Nick.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, right now they only have two point nine million
dollar cap space. That's really about two million in cap space. Uh,
you know, once they signed Name and Hunt, so they
probably have to you know, a hater or or a
Stram will make the team. They're probably gonna have to
make a move. They do have room for for him.
I do think at some point it wouldn't shock me
if they traded like a Nico Sterm for a pick
or something like that to free up a little more
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cap space. If Charlie's comes here and he looks good
in camp, I mean you know they're gonna they're gonna
put him on the team. I think it's less likely
for him than it is for Hunter Heat, especially the
way you know, right now they have thirteen forwards signed up,
including Europe, on this team. So you know, I think
hete because he has equity, because he's played in professional
hockey for a couple of years. Most likely he's got
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a better inside chance of making the team than a
stream all who's coming right off to college. I unfortunately,
you know, wasn't able to sign the entry level the
old last year because he broke his ankle on his
last college game. So you know, I still think he
starts in Iowa and gets a little runway. That's usually
the way that Bill Garrant doesn't.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Where are any other any other sniffs right now? There
any Is there anybody, uh, you know, kind of off
the beaten track that you think we should be talking
about that might be in the mix that we You know,
some of the names are prominent, we know them, But
is there anybody we're leaving out that you you've heard about?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
No, I mean, I you know, I could tell you
the while that definitely checked in on the Q. I
don't think they're getting any impression that New Jersey wants
to to to to move him. Austin Matthews is somebody
the Wild would have interest in if he was available.
He's made it extremely clear that he plans to go
back to Toronto and not force his way out like
we've seen some of these other players do. So I
don't you know, there's no there's no other centers out
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there that right now that I think the Wild could
be in on, you know, and unless it was like
a Thomas Shurtle or something like that, and I don't
think Wild want to do that because that would that
would essentially help Bigas get a Dylan Larkin. So I
I I and you know, after their moves today, I
don't see how the Wild really can sign another one
of these free agents. So I think right now this
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is the team. I bet they take a pause. I
think they'll keep trying to pursue you know, Dylan Larkin
and hope that Dylan essentially doesn't expand his list and
that at some point, you know, Steve Eiserman is just
not going to want to return him here. But Steve Eiserman,
you know, look, he's got you know, five years left
on his contract. He's got no reason to sit there
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and just give Dylan to Larkin away for a package.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That he doesn't like.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
And so if Dylan Larkin's got to go back there,
as awkward as it would be, especially since I got
to think they'd stripped the sea from him, you know,
Steve Eisman is the type of guy that would probably
do that. So we'll see. He's a stubborn guy. He's
waited a lot, He's had many many his historical experiences
of players asking for trades out and teams that he's
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you know, he had it last year with Latimer Tarasenko.
He wanted out in Tampa Bay, Marty Sina Louis, Jonathan
Drewin has to be traded, and he a lot of
times makes these guys wait until he gets the packer
that he was like, he was fine getting rid of
Tarasenko because he just wanted him off the team. But
clearly he waited until he got what he wanted for
guys like drew In.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And U Marty San Louis, what does this sentence mean?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
In your most recent piece, they've also called on New
Jersey Jackies, Quinn's younger brother, although Larkin is the one
they know remains available this offseason.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, he's you know, look as the wild that would
be foolish not to ask for Jack. You know, he'd
obviously wait. You know, it's funny enough, just like Jake Middleton,
Uh well, Ashley, Jake had a no move clause yesterday
and then it became a modified no trade. So when
Calgary wasn't on it, Billy pounced. But Larkin or Hughes,
Jack Hughes had no no trade protection as of two
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days ago. And then you got to modify no trade. Obviously,
Minnesota is not on that list, so you know you'd
be foolish not to at least check, especially because right
now they need a goalie, you know, in some capacity.
But from everything I hear league wide, I don't think
Jack's is available now. But but so Larkin is the
only guy out there. And you know, I know there's
not a lot of people that don't think he's your
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prototypical number one center, but there's no there's no hockey
player stores I wrote a couple of weeks ago. You know,
he's the guy available right now. And he is a
stud I mean, you put him on the line, even
though he's a shooter and not really a playmaker. You
put him on a line with a Bowldier, Caprice uff
and I guarantee he's he's scoring a ton of goals here,
and he's an incredible penalty killer. You know, he's super fast,
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he's absolutely competitive. This heck, I think it would be
a great move if the Wild can figure out a
way to get them.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Okay, So one of the debates that's broken out is
what the priority should be in a world where you
maybe can't always.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Be as choosy as you'd like to be.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Is it essential in your view based on the way
this roster is constructed as of now, that you concentrate
on a center, an impact center, or is it more no,
get if we can get a high impact wing as
long as it's a forward, we don't have to get
as hung up Even now, we don't have to get
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hung up as much on the center issue.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Where are you on that debate?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I think they should go after a center. That's why
I was so confused. Not confused because I knew that
if he ever became available, that really would go hard
after him. But I definitely think that they probably lucked
out by not getting Brady Chuck because they offered probably
three first round picks and one of those prospects for
k Chuck and then next thing, you know, you definitely
wouldn't be able to get that center because you don't
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have the assets anymore. So I still think center is
the area where this team, you know, uh, really loses
in the playoffs and needs to upgrade. You know, when
you have pre Soft and Boldie on one line or
separate lines, that's pretty good obviously, you know, losing Zukerrella
Johanson Tirasenko. That hurts Coleman's on your par typical prototypical
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number two winger. But if you know what I do
like is like, let's just say you can get a
Larkin without giving up a heart. And you know, you
have Larkin and Eric Snakins your top two centers. You
can move Apartment over the right wing, and you're looking
pretty good because he's got the ability to score goals
and play and can play top six minutes or maybe
Brink breaks out this year, and and and you can
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move him up in your lineup. You know, we'll see
what they have in the Shabanov kid that they that
they signed today, that they think highly of. But I
think the priority needs to be center right now.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You quote Bill garn yesterday as saying the following, I
do think we're better today. I think the guys that
we're bringing in will provide us with a little bit
of a different law.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
And it's just funny how things work out.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I understand how people could be worried when we have
these players to uh these holes to fill with popular
players everybody likes, including me, But sometimes you just really
have to be patient. Do you agree with the notion
that the Wild are better today, Yeah I do.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And and again that that actually quote was from today,
so that was that was yes, Thursday today.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, today is Thursday. What am I thinking?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, and and and the reason
and that was a question to me, And look, I
love andrews Lee, but andrews was going to cost the
Wild three three years at five million at thirty six.
He's not the fleet of the foot, and I just
I think that getting a Coleman at half price, maybe
more than half rice because he's only cost in the
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Wild two point four or five million with only one
year of his deal. He's a much better skater. He's
not nearly as offensive as an andrews Lee, but he
could play the penalty kill. You can put him on
the second line. But he also what I like about
it is he has one year left on his contract,
not three, and was going to be here for one year.
I think it was a great move for the Wild.
So I think that today, you know, So the the
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context of the question I asked was, you know, yesterday,
I'm sure if Bill Gerran was bummed as heck when
when Andrew said no to them. But then today is
a new day. And they go get play Coleman. And
now the way their roster shaped up, it actually for
now in the future might be a little easier, you know,
to to make some moves. It gives them more flexibility.
The other thing is, let's just say this season goes
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belly up now, it gives them another guy at the
trade deadline. Besides, like Ryan Hartman, that that a lot
of teams will cover it and maybe you can get
some some you know, a package of picks for or
or or you know, help you in the future. So
I just think that today was probably a you know, look,
they would have loved Andrewsley here. But if andrews Ley
sam here, today wouldn't have happened, you know, So so
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they went to Plan B. But maybe Plan B turns
out to be better than Plan A.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Who knows is Patrick Kane one of the plans? How
many letters down is Patrick Kine in the mix?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You know, I don't know. Again, they only have two
point nine million in a cap space. I would love
Patrick Kane here. I've gotten the impression from Billy that
he's not an option. I've been curious if he'll re
sign him, you know, in Chicago, go back there. I've
been curious to maybe go to Buffalo, which is his
hometowns as parents will have there all that stuff, so
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we'll see. I don't think so Patrick is in the
cards right now.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Good meaty segment today, a lot for people to chew on.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Have a wonderful fourth of July.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I know you're a big cherry bombs and Sparkler's guy,
so I have, you know, trying to be safe. You
don't want to, you know, blow a finger off or
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know, just yeah, no, I will not be trust
me if I if I go to a fireworks show,
I will be watching and not partaking.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I just want to be sure. Thanks, we'll be in touch.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Thanks Ross absolutely Russo radio excellent half hour, covering a
lot of ground as only Russo can indeed do. I
hope you hockey fans are satisfied. Not necessarily that you
have to love every move, but I think we covered
a lot of ground, as we tried to do with
Russo every time. He is indeed part of the broadcast level.
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We'll expect it's an apology from him about an hour
from now to the Nation of Mexico.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
I don't hold my breath on that back in just
a minute, this two years ago today? Am I doing
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the math right? Yeah? Nineteen ninety four a horrific moment
in World Cup history. We alluded briefly to it the
other day.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Today's is good at time, given that unfortunate anniversary, to
remind people who maybe have forgotten about it, and maybe
some of the folks out there didn't even know of it.
Andres Escobar, just days after the Colombian soccer team suffered
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a shocking exit from the nineteen ninety four FIFA World Cup,
was murdered after an own goal he was obviously responsible for.
That match, of course, was against the United States on
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June twenty two, that opened the scoring, US ultimately beating Colombia.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Two to one, and the backdrop, I guess I'd forgotten
some aspects.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Of of that story, he had. They ended up finishing
last in their group, knocked out of the tournament, embarrassing performance.
Escabar decides he was actually originally going to remain as
an expert commentator. He decides to return to Colombia. I
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want to go to Columbia and show my face. His sister,
Maria Esther recalled him saying he also at the time
wrote a story a column that was published in a
Columbia newspaper called El Tempo, accepting responsibility for the team's
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disappointing showing.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Taking you know, like what do we ask for from athletes?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Is like, yeah, it was a full pelf at the time,
There's no question about it. A bit big hug. This
is how he ended that piece, A big hug to everyone.
And I want to say that it was a phenomenal,
rare opportunity experience unlike anything I ever felt before. See
as soon because life doesn't end here, the idea of
being He's trying to end the column on an encouraging noe.
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So July two, nineteen ninety four, he makes his first
public appearance.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Since the exit World Cup exit.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
He goes to a nightclub with friends in medeyin Colombia.
He gets harassed there by a number of individuals, a
group that included brothers named Pedro David and while Santiago Guilone.
They were known drug traffickers and later, apparently that same evening,
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as the story goes, they're in the club parking area,
members of the Guyon Brothers group again confront Escobar He
is then shot multiple times. Eyewitness accounts indicated that the
killers shouted the word goal as in goal repeatedly during
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the attack. Escobar is rushed to the hospital declared dead
about an hour later. Umberto Costro Munos, an enforcer for
the Gallone Brothers, confessed to committing the shooting the next day.
He was convicted and imprisoned a few months later. Now
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this story this is actually a kind of a backgrounder
out of Britannica dot com suggesting it's never been proved
that Escobar was killed because the own goal.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
His murder was seen in part.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
As an unfortunate consequence of the violence and criminal corruption
that plagued football in Columbia at that time, driven by
heavy investment in the sport by drug kingpins such as
the notorious Pablo Escobar, who of course was no relay
and who also ended up meeting his own violent end
months later. Now there's an update to the story from
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earlier this year that I missed completely.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I don't think we ever got to it. A drug traffier.
This is dateline. This is Feb two, Feb six, twenty
twenty six. This is a CBS story, A drug trafficker
linked to the nineteen ninety four murder of Colombian soccer
store Andres Escobar has been killed in Mexico. The president
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of the nation said that day Santiago Galon Heneo I
think they Golge was the name in question in the
britanicapiece had been investigated in the death of Escobar when
after he was gonned down in Mediane as we said,
days after scoring an own goal, and Galon and his
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brother allegedly confronted Escabar that nightclub. As we talked about
the brothers, driver Lumberto Munoz Castro admitted to the shooting
several times in the nightclub's parking lot.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
We talked about the goal part of this.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
The men were thought to have lost heavily after betting
on Columbia's performance at.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
The World Cup.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Betting is the root of all evil, Guardsy, It's the
root of all evil. The Mexican president said on Act
that Gallon was killed Thursday in Mexico and that he
indeed was responsible for Escobar's killing. Cycer Star's murder quote
destroyed the country's international image. The president said Galon was
shot dead in a restaurant in the State of Mexico,
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his brothers. He and his brother were investigator for instruction
of justice, span fifteen months in prison without being brought
to trial. Now, this story doesn't really give you much
detail on why he was shot all these years later.
I don't think one thing necessarily had anything to do
with the other. But it remains for me. And oh,
by the way, there's a lengthy piece is it via
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the Athletic Yeah, I'm reading it now. Yeah, that for
the first time the goalkeeper's brother speaks up in depth
and detail about what he remembers from that nightmare. It's
an excellent piece, lays out a lot of a lot
of the story and definitely worthy of taking a look
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at that if you get a chance. But guards it remains.
This remains one of those stories that is as chilling
as it is. It's it's compelling in that if indeed
it's about the own goal largely, it's the nightmare scenario,
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right because we want and I think what I've I've
come to appreciate about the soccer I've seen this time
around is without the level of passion that seems to
exist between fans and this sport. It doesn't feel as
intense as it has already felt right just this far.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Through the tournament. You want that you celebrate that.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And yet over the years we have talked about it,
especially not exclusively, but a lot in soccer.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
There's a line between.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Passion and calling something life and death in your passion
and emotion and making it about life and death, right,
I mean, and we've seen there have been other stories
from the world of soccer related to a referees who
have had to literally run for their lives. And that's
where it gets tricky when you say, no, that's history.
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You want people to be bitter, you want them to
care that much, but when they care this much, and again,
I'm sure the real story is more complicated, extremely violent country,
drugs everywhere, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
At the time it may not be as simple as
own goal. We got to kill him.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It is a reminder that there still need to be
limits and the notion on this unfortunate anniversary that.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
There was ever a time.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
When someone participating in an athletic competition and failing this
way results in murder, right murder, It kind of still
takes my breath away. This what do we say some
thirty two years later on this anniversary.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
One of the things his brother talks about in the
Athletic Story is the rest of the family stayed in
America after the World Cup.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
It was part of the plan. They were going to
do a little bit of a vacation.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
They were in Las Vegas when they found out, and
they wanted Escobar to stay with them. Yes, that's right,
all of that, that's right, and he said, no, I've
got to go face the music. I've got a full pelfit.
I've got to go back home. I've got to face
the music. I've got to live my life there. I'm
not going to hide. He wasn't much of a nightclub guy,
according to these stories, but he kind of felt like,
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I'm not gonna you know, obviously, it sounded like he
kind of felt like he needed to be out there.
And you mentioned the story that he wrote Life Goes
On and his brother talked about how they couldn't convince
him to stay with them because they just they felt
like he needed to, not that they thought that he
was going to be killed, but just so that they
could be there to support him, because it was obviously
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a bad situation for him with the own goal.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
By the way, the individual who confessed the killing. He
was sentenced to prison. He received originally a forty three
year sentence than what and was released after eleven years. Yeah, crazy,
after eleven years. And there's a photo accompanying this of
the ball either already in the net or approaching the net.
It's a it's an unbelievably effective photo. And Escobar is
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on his back look and his head is kind of
perked up, neck is up a little bit, and he's
looking towards the net, obviously noticing that that ball is
past him and he is not going to be able
to stop it. It's a somebody texted, you know, what's
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your point? There doesn't have to be a point. This
isn't This is where soccer people get in trouble, where
they think some kind of a state anti soccer statement
is being made by the person who reintroduces this story.
That's what hurts the soccer community and actually turns some
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people off to the game itself.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
It doesn't have to be a point. It happened.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
We follow stories on this show. It's World Cup. It
happens to be. This is July two, the anniversary of it,
and it's a stunning story.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Tragedy.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
And I'm assuming if you're the brother, for example, any
member of that family, you can't possibly ever get over it, right,
There's no chance, there's no way to reconcile it, there's
no way to finesse it. Not everything has to be
meant as a message, a political message of wow, this
is why soccer shouldn't be played, or it's a bad sport.
(36:32):
It's just all of the stunning human human elements of
this story is what drives me to it. And it
is that line where you go, we lose our minds, right,
and we say we use that term. Yeah, I gotta admit,
I know it's stupid, but it is kind of life
and death for me. How the vikings do. But we
don't mean it literally. And in this case, at least
(36:56):
in part, it contributed to one individual losing his life
andres escobar or just an unbelievable and as I mentioned,
the athletic story which I left the print out, I
think by my cubicle. But it is very well done.
And what makes it stand out is I don't I
(37:17):
think the brother has only spoken briefly. Yeah, this is
the first time. Kudos to the reporter. Maybe you can
do you give me the name so I'll give him
proper credit. And the writer who put the story together,
Felipe cardenis first time. Yeah, I think that there's been
any detail from where the family, at least the brother
has been willing to open up on the story.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Yes, and he talked about what you talked about the
killer now being gone and I'm gonna scroll down if
I can find it.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well, there was a quote somewhere, either from him or
from from the maybe a sister, basically saying, no, you
don't get any satisfaction out of it.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
He wrote.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
He said, it doesn't move me. Yeah, because if that
brought Andres back, fine, but it doesn't bring him back.
The only thing that matters is him and how much
we can miss him, the harm that was done to him.
No death is going to bring Andre's back down. Of
it makes me happy now, there's no question about that.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Need to pause.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Here's right. We got behind because we went long on
russo let's do that. I appreciate the reminder. We'll come
back and wrap up this hour. A couple of good
texts have come in. We still have top five at
five to get to. We've got bonus time. Well, not
really bonus time. We're moving Lavelle up a day because
tomorrow is the best of day. He will join at
about five point thirty. Kind of a callback to the
(38:45):
letters segment Doctor Dan's Inbox, including a letter from L.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
James six five.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
One guy writes regarding King James, how quickly we forget
Herschel Walker?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Huh what do you? What does that? What does one
have to do with the other?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Is so what I took it as is the suggestion
is don't do something will regret for decades like the
Vikings did with H.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Walker.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Well, I don't even want to say this as apples
and oranges. This is like apples and Ruda Vegas. It's
like apples and broccoli. I don't even know what to
tell you. Yeah, it's like I got nothing to do
with it.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I mean, the the the the fury associated with the
Herschel deal was not necessarily that he didn't pan out,
but how much they gave up in the process of
acquiring him.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
You're not giving up anything with L. James.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
So even if he comes here and it's a disaster,
that wouldn't be good. But it's not a disaster that's
going to continue to haunt you in terms of getting
adding more assets for the next five years. Now, the
amazing thing about the vikings to that period is they
remained relevant.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
And that's why LEA.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Look back on and say, well, God, what what if
we could have added a couple of impact players. Who knows,
maybe you would have celebrated a Super Bowl and a
Super Bowl victory.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
My whole life may have been different.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
It could have been very different the victory start tribute
and would have been a lot different.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
You gotta work on the Is that an analogy? No,
whatever it is, it's comparison comparison, it's not working. You're
trying too hard to get people to trigger people on
on herschel But I don't. I really don't think one
thing has much to do with the other. Are you
a great aeronautics mind, No, definitely not.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
I got this fascinating supersonic speed. Yeah, I saw this.
Did you see this? Yeah? So I'm going to read
from somebody named.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Akash Gupta who sounds authoritative as hell.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I don't think it's a bit.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I feel better about it because you said you'd read
something about it. Here's what he writes regarding this issue
your six hour flight from LA to New York is
about to become a three hour flight, and it's legal
because engineers figured out how to bend sound. Since nineteen
seventy three, it has been a federal crime for any
(41:10):
passenger plane to fly faster than the speed of sound
over American soil.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Did you know that? I didn't, But I'm a little
terrified by this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
That's why your cross country flight takes the same six
hours it took your parents. In the eighties, planes got
safer and more efficient, they never got faster.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
The law made faster illegal. The original reason was real.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
In the sixties, the government flew supersonic jets over Oklahoma
City eight times a day for six months to test
public reaction. The booms and cracked plaster, broke windows, and
generate and generated nearly ten thousand complaints, so the FAA
banned the speed itself.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
He claims, this is what's changed.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
The speed of sound, isn't It shifts with air temp,
which shifts with altitude. Fly high enough and fast enough
in the right conditions, and the shockwave physically bends, curving
back into the sky before it reaches the ground. The
boom still happens. It just never lands, so you don't
have to worry about cracked plaster. NASA measured what people underneath.
(42:20):
Actually here a faint rumble about as loud as normal
street noise, no crack, no broken windows.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
So the FAA's new rule flips the logic.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Instead of banning the speed, it caps the sound allowed
to hit the ground. Stay quiet, and you can fly
as fast as the plane will go boom already proved
the tech Works tech Works in a real test flight
last year. The last time you could fly supersonic the concord.
The ticket costs about twelve thousand dollars for a round trip. Louis,
(42:53):
by the way, did fly it well? Talk to him
about it, of course, all shock and only cross the ocean.
The next version flies overland over your house and you'll
never never hear it coming.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
How do you now?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
It sounds like you're still shaky about was the plane
going to hold up?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Was that your issue? Yeah? I have a little bit.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
Said, I just saw the headline in the first couple
of sentences. I feel a little bit better now about
the reason why, because I made the assumption there had
to be a reason why they outlawed it that had
to do maybe more with safety, but it sounds like
it had to do more with the complaints in that neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
So that makes me feel a little bit better that
they've hopefully vetted it a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
So. If LA to New York.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Is six hours or three hours of the supersonic yeah,
LA to Minneapolis one and a half.
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Yeah, probably about ninety minutes, think about it. That'd be
pretty cool. It would be quick. What would what would
the price? What are the prices going to be?
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Like about the same.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
You're traveler guy, that's going well, given the way that
fairs have been this year and the fact that we're
losing all the low cost carriers and all the cheaper airlines,
it's probably going to approach that twelve thousand dollars that
you just talked about.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
What are you featuring in today's top five?
Speaker 5 (44:06):
We've got some soccer stuff, We've got Olivia Miles stuff.
We are still looking for the next power forward for
your Minnesota Timberwolves. And I'll tell you, and you'll be
happy about this, it will not be your guy
Speaker 1 (44:20):
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