Russo Radio/Pat Kessler - Bumper to Bumper 5/6/26 Hour Three

Michael Russo joins Dan to talk about the goalie issues the Wild are having and what needs to change to get back in the Avs series before Pat Kessler makes his weekly appearance (with an Ode to a Dead Guy Ted Turner).

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, yeah, it's important.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I would agree. I think five on five we did
a lot of good things. Tonight, special teams need to
be better. I thought Gus gave us a chance to win.
You know it was I mean, the difference in the
game was, you know, the special teams.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
That was.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
That's what it basically comes down to. After after last
night's game two setback wild come back home down two
to the heavily favored Colorado Avalanche. Russo Radio of course
was there and he's kind of enough to join us
via the Connectico Water Systems hotline. I'm going to try

(00:43):
at the start here to offer a proposition to you
on the basis of what you wrote. I sense you
believe the goaltending should be higher up than Heinze suggests,
at least publicly. But I'm I'm here to tell you no.
I well, I've not even only finished the point. I
think it's both. I think it's I came away because

(01:07):
I don't think as much the goaltending is a story
we have to continue to explore. I don't think the
special teams saying you've been writing about it forever. I
just don't think it can be ignored any longer. Injuries
are not. It's going to catch up with you right eventually,
and and right now in terms of are we are

(01:27):
we still waiting for our first power I know we
got a short handed goal in this series, but we're
first we're still waiting for our first power play goal?

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Correct, Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Correct? No, Well, I completely agree with you on the
special teams. You know, frankly, I'm fatigued about it. I mean,
you've you've been We've been writing about it for years, yes,
you know, I mean you know, and it just never
gets better. And look, uh it's it's somehow didn't kill

(01:56):
them last round because they did such a good job
at even strength in five on five especially, but this
is a different animal in Colorado. And what's concerning about
here is that Colorado's power play has been really bad
all your long, last couple of years, and in the
first round and they've just absolutely made mincemeat out of
the Wild's PK. And and you know, it's it's really

(02:20):
baffling that it just never seems to get better. And
and I don't think they're getting out of the series
if they don't figure out a way to fix this
on home ice here. So their penalty kill in the
playoffs is below sixty percent. That's embarrassing. Their power play
just keeps getting worse and worse. It's running at a
below ten percent here the last you know, a half

(02:41):
dozen games or so, and and it's a it's a huge,
huge issue. The goaltending story today was just based on,
you know, a decision that I think that you and
I talked about yesterday where we just it was either
yesterday or a couple of days ago that we just
you know both. Yeah, I don't think that we both
agreed that they should make the move. And if you

(03:02):
were gonna make the move, at least thro augustuson into
game one to get him some work. And the reason why,
to me, it was a perplexing decision yesterday. And look,
I think win or lose, I think John Hines was
almost telegraphing in the morning skate that they were coming
back with Volstadt in game three no matter what, and
that just was just getting him a mental and physical reset.
And and hey, look I get it, Wally did not

(03:25):
perform well in game one at all. But to me
to then throw it doesn't matter how good Philip Gustison is,
to then throw him into a Game one for him
of the playoffs, first time in three weeks against a
riding high Colorado Avalanche team. I just didn't think there
was gonna be a way that he was going to
steal that game. And then when the winning goal was

(03:46):
as bad as it is to me, it became the
issue probably and to your point, I mean, it probably
is because we're just tired of writing about the special
teams last night during the during the game, so there's
three of us covering it for the Athletics, and I'm
sort of at the controls of doing the takeaways or
our Rangers writer who's covered the Avalanche this series, like
should we do something on the wild special team? So

(04:07):
I'm like, no, I cannot do another special Teams takeaway.
I just cannot. Even though it was it was completely
but I remember the way that Joe Smith and I
said it to him is like, what we'll do is
we'll well, we'll tweak it into other takeaways, you know,
because we just cannot do another special teams takeaway, you
know what I mean? We we it is all in

(04:27):
the takeaways. We just filtered it in into different areas.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Is there anything radical that is even among the possibilities
for Heinz to do for Game three? Or is that
is that too dangerous a way to look at it?

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Is that the kind of thing that you you you know,
you're you're panicking and you're not giving whatever chance you
have to get back in this series. You're not giving
your team a chance to do it? Is there can
you Is there a lineup mix up that could you know,
shock the world? Is there something I'm talking about more
about the special team stuff to just to just try

(05:04):
something different? Is there anything radical that could be attempted?

Speaker 2 (05:08):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I mean, look, they've been trying to fix us for
a long time. The second half of the season, the
Wild were really good on the power play. In fact,
they finished the NHL third on the power play. Their
penalty kill was much much better the second half of
the season, And I you know, I don't know what
radical things you could change right now, you know, systems,
things like that. I think what you got to do

(05:30):
is just look at whatever you know from a layman standpoint,
you know, they they've got to look at whatever they're
seeing on tape that Colorado is taking advantage of and
figure it out. They're letting him into the zone really easy.
You know, they're just not executing like you know. I
mean when Michael mccerron said after the game last night
that from the bench he's seeing plays developing, that his
that that they are not reading fast enough. I mean

(05:52):
that's an indictment of the personnel, not so much, you know,
the system involved. I mean, remember John Hines is the
guy that brought the same system over to Milan, and
the personnel there were perfect eighteen for eighteen, So this
is a personnel issue. I mean that that first Gabriel
Landiskot goal is just terrible execution on Jake Middleton's part.

(06:13):
You know, you got to lead with your stick, and
as you know, a former wild player texted me, he
goes the way that he slid was just not the
right way to slide slide there that he left just
too many holes for McKinnon to get that puff through.
And then unfortunately at that point, you know, the Landiskoy
is just right in front of in front of Gustison.

(06:33):
So I mean, Gustison, I don't know what he could
have done on that goal. I don't see that being
his fault. In game one. I mean, they're not fronting
players and things like that, you know, and that's an
area where the Wild had really really good. So this
has just been a weird series because they were much
better at even strength yesterday. But yet, you know, you
look at things. I just watched the game again actually,

(06:54):
and it is really, you know, interesting to me how
Colorado is almost beating the Wild at its own game.
Like they they have just been way more physical. Their
skilled players have been way more physical, and they are
going after the Wild skilled players, you know, Boldie Quinn, Hughes, Capriso,
these guys have been hit more than we've ever seen

(07:16):
them hit, you know, uh in a series. And it's there,
it's there, you know, Nathan McKinnon's the world. They're doing it.
So right now, the bottom six of the Wild not
only are they getting out scored in the series, but
they're just not you know, really doing or able to
get to the type of game that they were able
to get to Dallas. And and it's two different styles
of hockey. I mean, if you look at all the
five on five rules against in this series, they've all

(07:39):
been rushed chances and things like that. So it just
doesn't allow you to really you know, hammer hammer guys.
So they've got to, you know, get in on the
for check and start punishing some of these defensemen and
some of these forwards. And right now they haven't been
able to do it. And we'll see if that changes
on home ice.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, what you're describing is what great teams do, right,
They take the initiative, They even take away a perceived
strength from the other team if they're capable of doing it.
That that that and that that that puts the other
team on the defensive and and and that's the way
it's looked through the first two games.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, and look, I mean, look, Nathan McKinnon. You know,
I said this on My Colleagues podcast today, Like I
was thinking about this on the drive home from the
airport this morning, Like, you know, if there's ever a
debate on who you would rather start a team between
Nathan McKinnon and CONNR. McDavid, it's Nathan McKinnon all day long.
For me. I've felt that for years and has just
been reaffirmed this series. He will do anything to win anything,

(08:36):
and he's he's built like a linebacker. He'll just skate
right through you. He doesn't care who it is. He's
just you know, he's a he's got all the tools
in the tool bag, and and you know he's the
one sort of leading the charge there and and that's
why they're six and zero in the playoffs. And it
just it really just feels that that Colorado, as they

(09:00):
had a week off, had a lot of time to
prepare for the Wild, figure out ways to negate a
lot of their strengths where the Wild. Maybe because of
the short turnaround, it just feels like they just showed
up to the second round. And I do think these
three days need to be really well thought out and
and and used by the coaches to just want to

(09:21):
have really player touch ups with a lot of guys
that are struggling in this series, but really look at
what they're seeing on video and try to figure out
ways to you know, slow Colorado down. Because last night
they did a much better job. It was more of
a fifty to fifty game at even strength. But you know,
Gus gives up a horrific third goal that that cost

(09:41):
them the game essentially when you'll consider it was the
winning goal and their special teams was again you know failed,
and so they've got to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Did you get in a out of town ahead of
the blizzard. How that ended up going.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, I mean it was it was snow and badly
when we woke up this morning, but it was you know,
to me, it was, you know, it was really funny.
I didn't I was talking to adulta agent and Denver Airport.
It's really like their first dorm in Denver all year
and who would have thought it had happened on May six?
But it wasn't bad. We got de iced for a
while and I don't know what happened after I took off,
but it was it was really nasty yesterday going to

(10:17):
the game and going back it was just like a
little snow, and going to the airport it was the
roads were fine.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
So the evidence that was revealed to you and your
Spidey senses this morning from Heinsey on the goaltender decision
for Game three was what.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I just think that even yesterday they probably planned on going,
even if he won, going back to Bolstad in Game three.
I just think that they felt like he was playing
a lot of hockey. He gave it eight goals in
that game one, and he wasn't very good. Now the
team wasn't very good at five on five, but look,
you know, that's as I said to you a couple
of days ago, that seventh and eighth goals were just egregious.
It just cannot happen, you know. And whether or not

(10:59):
the coach were rattled, also that Colorado essentially said that
they had to tell and whether they did or not,
they did score five goals from the exact same spot essentially,
you know, I think that probably made the decision a
little easier. But look, you know, the wild they're down
three to zero, they're down four two, they take a
five to four lead, the games tied a minute later,
Then first couple of minutes of the third period, they're

(11:21):
down six to five. They're still in the game, and
then he gives up a terrible goal to Kadre for
the seven to five goal, and then you know, Zukerrello
scores with four minutes left. That's plenty of time. The
way that Wedgwood was playing and the way that game
was going that you just felt like the Wilder one
hundred percent of the tie it. And a minute later
he gives up a goal to the car from the
same spot again, and so I just think that they

(11:42):
looked at it and just said no, what let's give
waist at a little bit of a time, a little
bit of a breather here, because even yesterday in the
news conference, John Hines was pointing out, you know, reminding
reporters or you know, almost educating reporters maybe from Denver
or nationally that didn't follow all the year this year,
is that they for a large part of the season,
what was strict rotation, even to the point that four

(12:05):
or five times a goaltender had a shutout and they
didn't come back with him the next game, which is abnormal.
So it was almost to me like he was just
almost without saying it, saying, we're just giving Valstat the
game off here. He's gonna have this game off, three
days off, and we'll come back with him in game three.
You know. But again, I just think that Gus wasn't
put into the best position to succeed. I don't know

(12:27):
if that was communicated. Also, what my theory is if
it's true to Valstad, because he looked really pissed off
in the morning when we were in the locker room.
I mean, looks could dot kill you when you looked
at him. And then after the game last night, gustuson
was in just a weird, weird state that we've seen
him in for now a month or so. I mean,

(12:48):
you know, I remember telling you about his demeanor after
the Saint Louis game, almost defiant. Then after the the
Dallas game he was more, you know, morose, and last
night he just look like he was really ticked off.
And you know, obviously I think probably realizing that might
be his last start for a while too, So it
was it's just it's two weird situations with their goaltender

(13:11):
right now, goaltending right now, and because we've seen this
before with just weird decisions that they've made in the playoffs.
You know, to me, that's what became the story of
the game, win or lose yesterday. You know, if they won,
it would have been, you know, what a what a
you know, a heck of a decision. But when you
you don't make this decision, and he gives up two
goals on two shots, and the second shot comes eight

(13:33):
nine minutes into the game, so he's not getting peppered.
It just wasn't the perfect way to start a hockey
game by any stretch. And then they get themselves back
in the game and he gives up just a backbreaking
third goal. So that to me is why the story
was No.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
The story is inescapable. It absolutely has to be a
significant part of the story either way, for all the
obvious reasons. I've got a bevy of texts that have
come in just in the last ten minutes saying they're
mad at you for not identifying the number one enemy,
that the Wild are dealing with the officiating, that we've

(14:10):
got cheap shotted and cheap shotted and cheap shot and
the rest didn't do anything about it, and we're not
getting a fair share of the calls. It's an old frame,
especially popular in this town. Sometimes has some legitimacy. Sometimes
it's delusion. But do you want to address those folks
who are saying that we're not even getting close to

(14:30):
the officiating we deserve.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, I mean, look the way their power playing kill
power play's going. I don't know how many more power
plays you want, especially when they've been so much better
at even strength. I don't disagree that yesterday that the officiating,
you know, I thought was off balance, but the Wild
got a gift of the power play on the brock
Nelson trip of Quinn Hughes he just checked him off

(14:54):
the puck. But you're right, I mean Boldie was boarded,
but that game was over when that happened, so it's
not like they were getting back in the game if
they called it BOLDI was sucker punched, you know, in
a situation where that probably should have been a four
on four or at a minimum or at a maximum
of Wild power play. You know, there have been high
sticks and things like that. I mean, things are missed

(15:14):
all the time. What I don't like, and Mike Rupp
talked about it on X today, is that, you know,
it just seems to be an epidemic in today's game
where players if the stick comes even close to them,
you know, they just shoot their head back like they've
been shot. And maybe that's what, you know, the Wild
need to start doing. Michael McCarran basically said that after
the game yesterday. You know the trenion. Look, you could

(15:37):
say Nicholas wa embellished that, but it was a stupid,
stupid penalty. Be a yakav trenion and to put them
behind the eight ball right away. I mean he comes
into the zone, he's a third fourth liner and he
just starts try to make a skilled play and pulls
up at the blue line instead of just getting the
pupp deep in. Ten seconds later, he takes an offense
his own high sticking penalty, Like, you know, good call

(15:58):
or not, that's on him. You know, the taris ankle
ones a legit call. Whether Cadri embellished it or not.
You slug a stick and got them in the face.
So look, there's gonna be calls myster either way. I
you know, I feel like I'm you know, I have
been trying to tone it down on X both series fishes.
You know, it just seems to Yeah, it just seems

(16:20):
to fan the flames. You know, one side thinks you're homers,
the other side thinks you're you're you're almost with the team.
And then there are the wild fans that if you
bring out efficiating and they call you homers too. So
I've been trying to, you know, act more professionally like
an adult on X. And maybe sometimes I'm not doing it.
The fans that are diehards justice enough by pointing it out.

(16:42):
But I'm just trying to take it easy on X.
Let's put it that way. But I see, I see
what they're seeing.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, I mean I'm not here to say that some
of this isn't true, but there's just too much other
meat on the bone, right, That.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Is exactly I mean. They're not losing this series because
I'm officiating. They're losing this series because their penalty kills
socks and their power play socks. That's why they're losing
the series so far. That could change, though, you know,
I covered twenty fourteen. I came back from Denver when
they were down two oh thinking the series was over,
and the Wild wound up winning two at home and

(17:15):
then winning a game, losing a Game five in Denver,
coming back and winning a huge Game six, and then
winning in Denver in Game seven. So I've seen the
Wild rally back from two oh down before against the Avalanche,
so I don't think the series is over. This is
a very different Avalanche team, though, I mean Nathan mc
you know, Nathan McKinnon was a rookie back then, didn't
have a point in Saint Paul in that series. He

(17:36):
is now a superstar of the best player in the
National Hockey League. Cal McCarry is the best defenseman in
the National Hockey League. So this is a very different team.
But I do think that if the Wild, you know,
maybe Eric Sinet can play on Saturday, if they can
get him back, you know, even if it's at sixty
percent or fifty percent, that's probably you know, a huge
upgrade to what they have right now. So we'll see.

(17:57):
But they've got to be better. If they don't finish
fix their spec teams, they're not going to steal this
series the way that they did Dallas because Dallas is
just a different type of team.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Is there a decent possibility that Ericsonac could be available Saturday?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
So what the Wild we're definitely hoping was that these
three days off were really five or six if you
you know, consider that he got hurt. What last Thursday
it was, I believe it was that, you know, so
it'll be nine days off that that there would be
a way that he would be able to play. He is,
he does have a significant injury. The question is pay

(18:33):
in tolerance and if he could play through it. But
he is hurt. I mean, there's no doubt about that.
Jonas Bride and I hear worse things on I don't
think there's a way that he's going to play. I
don't know what the Wild will announce that they're totally
off today. We'll see if we you know, my gut
says that John might even give them off tomorrow. We
haven't got word yet, but that Hines would be available tomorrow.
But you know the way it is with injuries in

(18:54):
the playoffs, I don't think we'll get a lot of information.
But I don't think Rogein's close to returning. I think
Eric Sinak, and we've seen it before, is going to
try it to gut it out, and we'll see, if
you know, one, if he can and two what that means,
because we've seen him try to play it a broken
leg before and he I mean, I still remember twenty
twenty three, we watched him for a week. He stops

(19:16):
and starts and all this stuff, and then he finally,
you know, goes on the ice and one shift couldn't
do it and how to leave the game. So even
if he plays on Saturday, I want to see if
he actually plays on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
If you know what I mean, you're you're pretty good
at reading the room. You're around these guys a lot,
and you've gotten to know them very well. What sense
did you get in the locker room after the game,
not what they necessarily said, but body language, et cetera
regarding you know, how discouraged the room seemed to be.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, it was unbelievably quiet in that room last night,
like really quiet, like not even talking, like you know,
there's a curtain essentially where the changing room is to
the showers, and you know, I didn't even hear players
talking in there. It was just you know, Spurgeon with
Spurgeon was really really just you know, down in the dumps.
I think overall by his play as well, because he

(20:10):
and Jake Middleton are really having a tough, tough series
that John Hines is going to have to figure out
because it's not sustainable what they're what they're doing right now.
So my guess is Damon Hunt's probably going to play
with Spurgeon, or he might have to go with the
option that nobody wants them to see and maybe split
up Favor and Hughes and try to even out the
blue line that way. But it was just really quiet,

(20:32):
like you know, Boldie just seemed down mckeren like it's
just a frustration, frustrated down in the dumps locker room.
Now that that could very easily change, like I think
these three days. The schedule was odd to begin with,
but I think these three days could do them wonder.
Gain get some energy, get some rest and recovery, maybe

(20:52):
heals some some wounded bodies, and just come out in
front of a jacked up Grand be Causino Arena and
try to, you know, just win a game then worry
about game four the next game. So but but to me,
it wasn't like this frustration, like the series is over.
It was more like, you know, I think just down
the dumps that they lost a second playoff game in

(21:13):
the fashion they did.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, and the other factor that probably needs to be
acknowledged here every once in a while is Colorado.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
They're good. They're very good. They're now they're ship level.
They are.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
And and you know what I was thinking coming into
the series that that you know, LA really didn't challenge
them and the Wild We're coming in off a high
from the Dallas series, so I thought the first two
games were gonna look quite different than it did. And
I think I was just discounting how good that team is. Look.
I have said all along going into this second round

(21:48):
that I thought, whoever, whether it was Dallas and Colorado
or Minnesota or Colorado, or that the Stanley Cup winner
could be playing in this round. So, you know, I
think the Wild are a really really good team, but
I think they're up against a really, really really elite
team right now that is so much deeper than I thought. Like,
I did not realize that their blue line on the
second and third pairs were as good as they are,

(22:08):
and they're playing without Josh Manson right now as well.
You know, Brent Burns at forty one years old is
still kicking and playing well. Sam Malensky looks like he's
going to be an absolute stud, and this is an
undrafted kid from Lakeville, you know. And then obviously m
mccarr and Davon Taves has been sensational. But their third
and fourth lines in the series, they've been fast, they've

(22:29):
been good, you know, they're they're just they've created chances.
So they're just a really really good team. They're not
like the last couple of years. The reason why Colorado
hasn't been able to advance is they felt like they
were really top heavy, but the brock Nelson trade did
wonders for their second line, and then at the deadline,
you know, Chris McFarland, who I'm really really close with

(22:51):
their general manager. He made a couple of really swift moves.
I mean, you know, getting nas of Kadrian here, Nicholas Waugh,
who I didn't think a lot of, you know, when
he was in Vegas. He has been unbelievably good here
so far in the playoffs. And even Blankenberg, the kid
that came over from Nashville that was just sort of
a depth piece that only played like eight or nine games,

(23:12):
maybe a dozen games in the regular season. After the trade,
you know, he with Josh Manson being heard, he's come
into the series and scored a big goal. So they
are a good team. So the Wild just need to,
you know, get back on their horse here, figure out
some things with the special teams. I think, you know,
John will have last change. You know, maybe he can
get Boldie and Caprice half away from some of these

(23:33):
you know, tight checking guys. But you know, the Rickson
inc injury and the Brodean injury have loomed large so
far in this round. I mean, you know, ECAs does
everything for them. You know, daneli Or is going to
be a good player. He's not juwel ericsonek and clearly
Matt Boldie has been affected by that. But the Jonas
Brodean injury is just I mean, the numbers say it all.
Like like in the first round he and Spurgeon were

(23:56):
on the ice for two goals against it five and five.
Spurgeon has now been on for eight of twelve non
empty neck goals in the series and Jake Middleton nine
of twelve and non empty neck goals in the series.
So like that is one thing that you know, John
Hines is going to need to sit down with both
these guys during these three days and maybe consider changing

(24:17):
his deep hairs, whether it's elevating a damon hunt or
as I said, maybe breaking up hughes in favor and
maybe play hughes with Spurgeon in favor with Middleton.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Thank you Russo, We will let chat soon.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yep, see it.

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Speaker 1 (26:17):
And now it's time for old to a dead guy.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Kessler is in the room. And he is very much alive.
But we are going to early chat about the news
breaking on Ted Turner, who has died at the age
of I believe it was eighty seven years old. It
was first announced, I believe, by CNN, which of course
could his creation right break. So I think it's possible

(26:54):
that the younger members of our audience probably have heard
the name, but he's been out of pocket for a while,
so they might not understand the significance of the name.
If you're talking to a group of people who, maybe
it's not just age for whatever reason, don't completely understand

(27:15):
why as much media attention has been devoted today to
this huge news, what would you say to them? How
would you attempt to sort of capture in your mind
at least what Ted Turner with that name represents, including
of course his influence.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
He was an iconic media pioneer. Everything you do today
to consume news began with Ted Turner. The way we
have news today is Ted Turner. He was also a philanthropist.
You'll be happy to know he was quite a swordsman.
He was a champion sailor. Correct, He was a sports

(27:54):
team owner, and everything he did in the media has
changed the way we look at media.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Now.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
There was a time, you kids, go look it up.
There was a time where the news was delivered to you.
That's how we lived. You and I both came up
in the business where in the morning there would be
a newspaper thrown onto your porch, delivered to you.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
That's how you got your news in the morning.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
On television, you had to be at home and have
your butt in a chair at five point thirty. Yes,
so you could watch the CBS evening News or any
one of the evening news programs.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Think about it.

Speaker 6 (28:35):
The news programs, the network news programs at the time
had more than fifty million people watching.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
It's astonishing, think about that.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
Yeah, so that's we all had a common experience with news.
Ted Turner turned that upside down and inside out. He
was very brash, a loud mouth. They called him the
Mouth of the South, heavy drinker, was always in trouble,
said things that were not good that he would be

(29:06):
canceled for today, then comes out and apologizes and on
top of everything, Mary's the most beautiful actress in the world,
Jane Fonda.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
I mean, this guy led a life.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
But let me talk about just a little bit how
this changed us. You remember the Iraq War nineteen eighty. Now,
remember we didn't we were in the news business. We
had typewriters, we didn't have computers, we didn't have satellite phones.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
We didn't have anything.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
And he figured out a way to have live programming
all around the world at one time with satellites. This
was revolutionary. He bought a tiny television station in Atlanta,
and then he bought the Atlanta Braves and this was

(29:58):
called the Superstation.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
That's what it was, correct, And.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
So he broadcasts the Atlanta Braves games and then turned
that into an international network, the Cable News Network. Everybody
made fun of it. They called it. It was CNN
Chicken little News, chicken noodle News, chicken noodle news. Yeah,
and this guy has just changed everything. He decided that

(30:24):
we had to have history as it happens, news as
it happened. He created the twenty four hour news service
so you could tune in at any time. He started
the CNN Headline News, Turner TMCUR Classic Movies, Turner Classic Movies,

(30:45):
the Cartoon Network started that. It's just incredible what the
dude did.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
There were once upon a time in America on cable
around the country, two so called independent local stations. One
was his in Atlanta, the other was WGN in Chicago.
There's a reason why one of them has become historic

(31:13):
and the other is it's a nice footnote I grew
up with, and I love having access to WGN traveling
around the country living elsewhere, and you could still get
Cubs games, et cetera. The difference was his vision. And
I was struck today by one of the early press
conference announcements where he is unveiling his vision of this

(31:35):
concept of a twenty four hour news station with bureaus
all across the world, the whole bit. And what struck
me is there's a bunch of shares in front of them,
and they there were people sitting in maybe half of them.
It wasn't even a full press conference at the time.

(31:59):
There may have been people curious and maybe even thinking, well,
this could be this could be interesting, but they had
no concept of what they he was introducing because then
it wasn't momentous. It had no gravity then because it
didn't exist. And if you think of that now, you say, well,
every press conference he would have done having to do

(32:20):
with that network, it would have been overflowed. Then there
are about nine people in the chairs. He's talking to
like less than a dozen people.

Speaker 6 (32:28):
This is a loud mouth investor who's lost money, won money,
earned money, all of that, and this is a concept
people could not get their heads around.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
And then the Iraq War hit.

Speaker 6 (32:43):
Then we had the Iraq War of Desert Freedom, Operation
Desert Freedom.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
George HW Buok, that's true.

Speaker 6 (32:52):
And that was the first time, you know that you
could turn on the television and have live war bridge
in Baghdad while the bombs are coming down around you.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
That was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
George H. W.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Bush, the first president.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
Bush said at the time that he learned more from
CNN than he did from the CIA, because that's where
people were getting their information. He said once and I
thought this was really interesting that he would turn the
channel on and there was Dan Rather on CBS and

(33:33):
talking about the war. Then he turned on ABC, Peter Jennings,
he's there talking about the war. And then I don't
remember who the NBC anchor was, John Chancellor. Let's say,
talking about the war. You turn on CNN, that's the war. Yeah,
there's the war. So that was a very very.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Well what was the name of the hotel. Bernie Shaw
was in the hotel, one of the hotels, the hotel
as there as the bombings going on, and they're even
making they know exactly what they're bombing, and they also
know what. We ain't gonna get close to that hotel
because this is how what we're attempting to do is
getting out and people on the ground in this case

(34:13):
CNN are having a chance to cover it.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
Yeah, they were in tremendous danger while these bombs were
coming down, but we had the first precision bombs at
the time.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yes, but again, this is not like Vietnam.

Speaker 6 (34:26):
It's not like local television or network television where you
record a story, take it to the station, edit it,
put it together, and put it on a few hours
later or the next day. That's you just didn't have that.
So among all of the things that he did, he
started we're in the middle of a tremendous basketball postseason
right now. He started the NBA on TNT. First he

(34:50):
starts TNT and then he gets the NBA on TNT.
So he was a visionary in that way. And again,
as I say, very controversial. He was a conservative guy
who kind of confounded the critics. Very conservative guy who

(35:11):
at the same time was interested in the United Nations
and world peace and the invite Will games, all of that.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
His deal the USA versus Soviet Union, which is all
about that too. It goes back to again, what now
seems obvious? Yeah, you know, twenty four hour news, a
news network that's on all the time. It sounds like
no big deal now, But that's that's what visionaries do,
is they They conceive of stuff that the rest of

(35:42):
us are just not you know, sharp enough to even
think about. That's where in this case, his mind went,
and as you say, he revolutionized to that extent, the
news business, the broadcast news business. There's no way around it,
no other way to put it. And it may seem
the obvious now, but it wasn't then because it didn't

(36:03):
exist then.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
And we grew up, those of us in the business
and a lot of our listeners. You grow up with
seeing the Berlin Wall come down, the Cold War is ending,
the Space Shuttle blows up, and it's ascent into orbit.
Those were things that were covered by CNN that the
other networks could not really do. Very very competitive guy,

(36:25):
as we mentioned, he was the captain of the of
the America's Cup yacht race and he won want America's Cup.
But he was so competitive that in the competition his
former wife was also a captain on another boat, and
as the story goes, she was about to win, so

(36:46):
he rammed the boat with her in it.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Marriage.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Didn't want to win?

Speaker 4 (36:51):
No, you want to win? Or do you not want
to win?

Speaker 3 (36:53):
You? You know, one way or the other. I mean
you got to you gotta you gotta have your priorities.
All right, let's do this. We're a little behind. Let's
take a quick pause. Some good texts are coming in
on Ted Turner. There is a lot of news more
of the state variety we want to get into today
as well. We'll keep you posted also on what Kenny,
Charles and the lads are saying. They've been analyzing Wolf

(37:17):
Spurs game two. A lot of interesting stuff there. So
we'll mix and match with Kessler, and we'll get to
a couple of questions from the audience for special k
as well.

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Speaker 3 (38:08):
Larry Mandela Guy checks in with this, You've made a
lot of my cogent but humor free basketball analysis yesterday.
But if anyone can understand it, it's a fellow renaissance
man like Kessler. We're not only highbrow, witty humor. We're
also elite sports takes, art, entertainment, politics, theater, music, and

(38:29):
deep intellect, but also lots of veiled and unveiled penis.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Jokes, lots. Don't drag me into this, Larry Mundelo.

Speaker 6 (38:39):
Guy, it was it's perfect, and I agree with everything,
and then he gets the last line in which is brilliant.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
He loved that didn't brilliant?

Speaker 3 (38:49):
All right? The other I can't find the other text
I was looking for, wondering if you have any stories
in the course of your daily media reporting career on
on CEO Channel four, anything akin to what I revealed.
Was it a week ago or two weeks ago that

(39:09):
the strangest interview situation I can look back on and say,
why did I agree to? This would be the time. Well,
the subject that came up was Dick Motto, who used
to coach the Bulls decades ago. Then he coached the
Dallas Mavericks when I was there. New York Times just
did this great or Athletic just did a great piece.

(39:31):
Just catching up with Madi. He's obviously now retired. I
covered him when I was in Dallas when he was
coaching the Mavericks and for a story on one of
his players. I'm running out of time I got I
got to get the story in. I'm already behind. He's
in a hurry. So he says, all right, it's about

(39:51):
It was about Sam Perkins, a former North Carolina big
man who was a member of the team at that point,
and he says, I you're in a hurry. I'm in
a hurry. Here's here, h why don't you interview me
while I shower? I interviewed Dick Mata while he took
a shower.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Did you like if it?

Speaker 3 (40:12):
But I had good answers, I mean, he gave thoughtful answers.
The question is, in your career, can you reveal any
time when you interviewed a politician while he or she,
more likely he, I'm guessing, was naked.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
I got to think about this.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
You know, I had many telephone calls and interviews with politicians,
and I'm guessing that could have been many times their
pants were off.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Whatever.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
I don't know who knows about in person. Okay, here's
what I have to ask you before I be sure.
So when you interview the dude in the shower, yes,
he's burn naked.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
He's the shower. You know, the water's going down.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Are you facing him?

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yes? And do you have a microphone? You know that
time this was a I might have had a tape
recorder and I had a notebook. This is the newspaper, and.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
It does he point?

Speaker 6 (41:02):
You would say, hey, eyes up here, eyes up here, barrero.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
I made that. Hey, I worked in locker rooms forever.
You learned that before you learned anything else. You lock
you got to keep your eyes up.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
Well, I don't have anything quite that colorful. However, I did,
in fact follow Mark Dayton into a men's room and
stood at the euro near and on next to him,
and you attempt to interview him. I did, yes, while
he was yes, oh there you go. Absolutely, that's pretty close.
And how did he handle that? Was he?

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
It was.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
A little awkward, and I will tell you that I
stood back a little bit, you know, But yeah, I mean,
especially there's like a partition between each journals, not in
those days, nor like troughs. Yeah, it was almost like
the old mentrodome the troughs. Yeah, the troughs. It was

(42:00):
just a regular you know, did you.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Get a good answer from.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
Yeah, I don't even remember, because that that wasn't what
was memorable about the interview. The interview itself is what
was memorable. So yeah, I mean, you gotta do what
you gotta do what you gotta do. You know, you
see people as they really are. Many many times in
this business you do not really know the real person

(42:27):
and you don't get an opportunity to know who that is.
But if you have those very human moments like you're
describing it like I am, then sometimes that happens. You know,
we're talking about Ted Turner. He literally lived above the
store of Ted Turner, who has passed away at eighty seven,
literally lived above the store. Like in the old days
where you get a radio repair shop and somebody lives

(42:49):
above the groceryes or whatever. He lived above the store,
and early on in CNN days in Atlanta, people would
say that he would come down to the newsroom in
his bathrobe and pajamas and he would go to the
company cafeteria to get food. So these are glimpses of

(43:13):
humanity that we sometimes experienced, but most of the time
we treat everybody politicians, athletes, business people as if there's
something different than something not normal, something different from human.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yeah, that's true. The first in fact that the original
spot for CNN and the superstation was it's this antebellum
looking mansion. That was where they eventually expanded. They got
a whole campus now, but that's what it was. It
was just a big old southern mansion that he maybe
he already owned or he bought. And you know, he also,

(43:51):
by the way, was very much involved with with wrestling,
making Atlanta a national wrestling That was a big part.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Are we talking about real wrestling like WWE?

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yes, yeah, not fake wrestling. No, No, Duella the butcher
wrestling man Mark Lewin met.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Okay, I did not know that then that that is
just one more thing.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Well, it goes on and on and on. We'll give
you one other example that in a minute. Let's get
one more quick break in and then we'll get to
some state news involving Klobashar's presser the other day, which
we talked about Guardian a little bit yesterday or the
day before one of the two days, and then the
Serene Gandhi news that's getting a lot of attention as well,

(44:37):
regarding well, I think she was about to testify right
the DHS funny interviews, I should say, funny and hearings
and then suddenly she pull the plug gets pulled.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
And we'll make you an offer refuse.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's basically it. More Kessler and who knows what else
Ted Turner related bratche on Brian Kfean text line is
open at six four six eighty six.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Back in the.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Minute, Kessie, let me give you the pas they resist
thoughts when it pertains to Ted Turner. Not that this
is what he will forever be most remembered for, but

(45:22):
it's one of those tantalizing subplots that you can't make up,
and I think a lot of people today have forgotten.
Early nineteen seventy seven, before San Francisco Jaion Giants outfire
Gary Matthews before his contract had expired, Ted Turner, as

(45:43):
the owner of the Atlanta Braves, reach an agreement with Matthews.
The commissioner didn't like it, suspended him for a season
for contract tampering, but he appealed it fought the suspension
in court while he remained in control of the team,
and in May of that year, nineteen seventy seven, the

(46:04):
Braves are fashioning a record. On May eleven of eight
and twenty one, they have lost. They end up during
this stretch losing sixteen games in a row. They have
lost a doubleheader the day before, and that afternoon Ted Turner,
owner of the Atlanta Braves, told his manager Dave Bristol,

(46:26):
to go hit a bucket of balls, take the day off.
Turner made himself, no, he didn't. Manager of the Atlanta Braves,
Phil Nicro, the Hall of Fame pitcher, Yeah, who I
covered back in the day in Atlanta. Here's what he remembers.
I just got through swinging in the cage and I

(46:47):
came out and I walked behind the batting cage for
the next round and Ted came out of the dugout.
I looked at him and jokingly, I said, Ted, what
spot you got to be hitting in today? And he said, Hell,
I don't know. You want to lead off? You want
to hit second or third? We just lost in a row.
You've been around here long enough, hit wherever you want to.
So wearing number twenty seven Ted Turner for one game,

(47:10):
and by the way, they lost that game. Managed the
Minnesota I should say, the Atlanta Braves, and the league
stepped in after the one game. He's got any you
can see photo, He's got the whole bit.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
He's gotform.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
He's wearing a uniform in the dugout Major League Baseball again.
Buy Coon, his enemy at this point, says, come on, man,
there's a rule that apparently bars anyone who owns stock
in a team to manage said team. So he was
barred from returning to the dugout the next game. So

(47:47):
he managed. His all time managerial record in Major League
Baseball is zero and one. But Ted Turner managed a
major league story, and.

Speaker 6 (47:57):
That he was the guy who would just say I'm
going to do it.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Stop me exactly, try to stop me. That's pretty much it.

Speaker 6 (48:04):
I mean, that's how he lived his life, that's how
he did his business, operated his businesses, and he was
just supremely successful.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Amy Klobashar holds a presser kind of a weird time
as governor candidate, and she lays out a number of
ideas she says will be her attempt to fight fraud.
My guy Andy Lueger is next to her, eventually testifies

(48:36):
on her behalf. So the obvious objective was to separate
him herself from the governor in a number of ways
having to do with surplus money, fraud, et cetera. So
it was fairly expected that sooner or later she was
going to have to do this. How effective was she

(48:56):
in quote unquote separating herself? How would you describe what
you saw and herd Well, it's an interesting question.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
I'm suspecting, although I haven't talked to her staff, that
they held it on a Sunday, because frequently she would
do this on Sundays, have press conferences because she's on
her way back to Washington. She's got her own job,
and so she is running her Senate office and being
a US Senator and running for governor here. So she
gives this press conference, which is her very first press

(49:28):
conference as a candidate for a governor. When did she
jump in like a beginning of April might have even
been before that a little bit idea. Yeah, So it's
the first press conference she has had as governor. And
I think people rightfully say, well, where you been? You know,
come on, let's hear something, but I thought she did
exactly what she had to do. She acquitted herself just fine.

(49:52):
She said that she was very concerned about the frauds.
She gave a twenty thirty forty point list of things
she would do that Governor Walls did not do. And
she said, in fact that there are things that I
would have treated differently than Governor Walls did, including a
top to bottom audit of every state department in Minnesota.

(50:16):
That's just one of them, using money to have new computers,
banning people.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Punishing them.

Speaker 6 (50:23):
If you've been convicted of misusing money, you'll never get
it again. A permitting reform, business portals for different different programs,
all the things you need to do.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
That Governor Walls was very late to.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
They're doing stuff now, but only after an incredibly public
national focus on fraud in Minnesota that I would say
has tarnished the brand of the state of Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
So she did what she had to do.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
And I know some Democrats, some traditional legacy see Democrats
probably have their undies in a bunch.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
The Republicans certainly do. But you gotta do what you
gotta do.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
And she did it, and and i'd see is still
the one and only leading candidate for governor for the Democrats.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Suring Gandhi has been I think the acting as temporary
commissioner of DHS, right, the Department of Human Services for
over a year, as I understand it was it the
day before she's going to testify. The question is whether
she's got the votes needed to be approved. The governor,

(51:39):
the outgoing governor, the lame duct governor polls basically demotes her.
I guess, keeps her in the department, right, changes her position.
So read the tea leaves on this is this he
knew she didn't have the votes? Is this something else
at work? How do we translate what took place?

Speaker 6 (51:57):
I'm very skeptical about everything that is happening here. The
governor polls her. Initially we thought he had fired her
or she was resigning. She resigned as commissioner and is
now the deputy commissioner and is in effect running the
Department of Human Services. Still, yes, right, so someone else

(52:18):
had been appointed. A new commissioner has been appointed, but
he's out on medical.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Medical serious medical issue, serious stuff.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
That he is as Minnesota Public Radio, Yes, and he
is going to be there out for at least a
month with some serious health issues. So what makes this
unusual is that this is not the first time that
Governor Wallace has done this where he has let go
or demoted or removed or pushed aside a top level

(52:48):
state Department commissioner assistant commissioner official just as they were
about to testify before the Minnesota legislature about issues on fraud.
So I think this raises questions, do you really want
people to know what's going on with fraud? Yes, it's
probably true. I think behind the scenes not probably true.

(53:11):
It is true that there were not enough Democratic votes
on a Democratic led committee to move on confirmation to
approve confirmation, so rather than go through that embarrassment, the
governor does this instead. But I think this again raises
serious questions. When are we going to get somebody in

(53:33):
a position of responsibility who is going to be accountable
and take the questions, the tough questions about fraud in
the state of Minnesota, And so far we haven't seen it,
And I think this is a blow for transparency.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Can't disagree with any of that. We are against the break.
I assume tonight you're going to you be able to
get an early nap in to then stay up for
Wolf Spurs game two.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
You know, I have been struggling late late at night.
I've I've gotten the games in, but it's it's difficult
the next morning.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
As you know.

Speaker 6 (54:07):
Here's the thing. The Wolves are so exciting right now.
It's it's hard to put it down. It's hard to
walk away from that. It's it's really really fun. Mask
have you given up that?

Speaker 3 (54:18):
It sounds a little bit like the puckhead in you
has given up on the Minnesota While Okay.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
I still feel like they've got something minim but this
this is a tough one, I think so the ave
have have you know, they're a tough team. They've been
our nemesis for years. Well you caught it, Okay, good.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
And all can explain it. Everybody gets mad at me
for bringing up nobody's explained it yet.

Speaker 6 (54:45):
Well, avalanche is a noun, yes, and it's the Colorado Avalanche.
So if you're going to call the plural of the
Avalanche the Avs, you can't do that.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
But why do you?

Speaker 3 (54:58):
But my question is why why do you have to
go to the plural at all? Why not just say
if you want to?

Speaker 4 (55:03):
Because we don't call them the wilds.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
But the point is the the the idea of using
it is just to shorten the name. Is So if
you shorten the name, why not you short shortening have
I know, how do you shorten the wild? What would
that be?

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Well, you don't. It's like one of wild is not wild.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
It's not I don't think so the wild. Well that's
a good question. Why don't we call them as wild?
The wilds? Just what I'm saying. So we're not consistent
with absolutely. I think there needs to be a congressional
investigation or at least one maybe from the hockey community.

Speaker 6 (55:38):
Well, this is where we get the best information possible
on sports is right here. There's no question those kinds
of controversial quest. Ye, and keep your drinks away from
the equipment. It's all we asked Ottle boy. Yeah, I
also had a toxic spill. Been there overnight or so
some sort. We'll not overnight because we don't have any
be in here overnight, I don't.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
We'll just stay away from the microwave and stay away
from the microwaves for sure. Enjoy the wolves tonight.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
We'll talk about that way.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Thank you, go well, special k Pat Kessler we'll come
back and wrap up the program Busy Show tomorrow. We'll
give you details.

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Speaker 3 (56:21):
Texter Guy reminds us that his view Ted Turner was
not a hardline Republican, very liberal and even consider himself
a closet socialist. I think the facts are he was
all over the map. I like the way the New
York Times put it. His politics were contradictory and controversial,
viewed himself as a writing in some ways. But he

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also befriended Fidel Castro, defended the repressive conduct of the
communist Chinese government, and then he was involved very I
mean he donated what was the amount of money, He
donated a billion dollars the United Nations as well. So
that's not an organized that a lot of conservatives have
looked up to historically, right, So I think it's nuanced

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on him politically. It's what made him such an interesting
character and a maverick to a large degree, because he
was also involved in some what would be classified as
left wing causes too. So it's a combo platter. I
want to thank Kessler who joined us in studio as
always Russo Radio at five. Doctor Robbie Seka, former medical
big shot for the Minnesota Timberwolves or in Ozone, on

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his own ongoing relationship with Anthony Edwards and kind of
his view on the Edwards recovery and what went into that,
what goes into a lot of the injury issues when
it comes to NBA players. He joined between four and
four thirty. Also a guy who definitely had scarred tissue
from a lot of the more challenging days in Minnesota

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Timberwolves history. Alec Lewis on the Vikings GM search not
so much names, more the philosophical questions about what you're
looking for and how to go about getting it done.
I think there's a reason for some concern there, and
that's also part of what we discussed between three thirty

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and four. Tonight, it's gonna be another live and local
night here on the Fan correct.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
Yes, after fan on the Man on the air Parker
Fox from seven to eight leading into Wolves Spurs Game two.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
There you go. So all that tonight on FM one
hundred point three. The fan tomorrow is what Thursday.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
It is, right, now we have locked in right now,
we have doctor Dan's inbox. We'll be adding, we'll definitely
be adding maybe a Craiger's appearance.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Talks about that loosely Tomorrow's day. Yeah, we'll see if
we can work that out with him.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
Tom Crean will join on Friday night at three point
fifteen previewing Game three.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
We're gonna have to throw a bone to the hockey community. Otherwise, well,
maybe maybe we make them work for it. They're down
oh two, win a game and get back to me
in the semi finals and they don't play for a
week and a half. That's also true. Yeah, that's undeniable.
Thank you for the text, thank you for the phone calls.
As always, we'll obviously review game two. Draymond Green was

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some interesting commentary on that series, which we will attempt
to discuss tomorrow as well. He Shaq was not on
the crew. Your guy day Day's back and I don't know.
I'm guessing Rudy got cheap shot in what was he
over under five times? We'll talk to you tomorrow. Three