Russo Radio/Pat Kessler - Bumper to Bumper 5/13/26 Hour Three

Michael Russo joins from Denver where the Wild are playing for their season tonight against the Avs. Pat Kessler makes his weekly appearance for the usual Kessy nonsense and a political roundup.

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Russo Radio brat Shawn Bryan Cafe in text line six
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Wild Hockey all the action and coverage live and local
on the fan tonight as soon as we wrap things
up at six point thirty Russo, you guys had the
quote that I found fascinating yesterday. I couldn't I couldn't
get past it. I became obsessed with it. And it
was the Heinze quote in the wake of the game

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four loss.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I think the style of game that we needed to
play to win the game. We made the conscious choice
not to play that way tonight. And one of you
said conscious choice. When did you notice that? And Heinze said,
basically from the beginning. So we've heard coaches go after teams,
try to motivate them, whatever.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
But can you translate this to me? Was he just cranky?
Because it obviously doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Seem logical that a team would consciously decide to forget
about the mode of victory that was the strategy that
helped them win the previous game, like, Nope, We're just
going to do it a different way. But several of
the players seem to confirm it I'm confused.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, I mean definitely, Marcus Felino confirmed yesterday. The problem
is the guys that he's talking about are, you know,
the top guys on the team, and they're the ones
that are going to have to decide if they want
to play in what John Hines's mind is the right
way tonight or not. And the other what he's basically
saying is that at that point they had played four

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games in the series, they had a certain way that
they played that allowed them to win one game, and
they reverted back to playing the other way that they
played in Colorado for Game four, and so they feel
like there is a game plan there that shows them
what they need to do to be successful to win
this series or win a game in this series, and
that certain guys just wanted to play East West that game.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
And the problem is that the guys.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
That play East West are the ones that sometimes make
the most incredible plays to allow them to score goals,
and the guys that play the direct way are the
ones that have to play meat and potatoes hockey. But
the reality is is that you know, you have a
Colorado team here that if you get into a track
meet with them, or if you turn pucks over in
either blue line, you're gonna pay, And they paid last game.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
And I think what's so frustrated guys.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
In that locker room and John Hines is the fact
that even in a game where they just were not
good at all, they wind up to two somehow in
the third period and then uh and then make two
brutal mistakes that, by the way, had nothing to do
with that UH had with that quote unquote style. Those
were just bad mistakes by by a couple of defensemen,
and and it costs them. And so you know, they've

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got to play a certain way tonight if they're gonna
want to win.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
So how would you you're around these guys all the time,
and it's a I know it's fools goal to attempt
to analyze morale or or vibes or what you pick up.
But I'm gonna ask you anyway, because a lot of
times you have good instincts on this stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
What what I mean?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Do you sense that they're a little bit resigned at
this point because of squandering that opportunity or or not
so much?

Speaker 4 (03:14):
No, No, And and you're right, I mean, it's not
like we saw them a ton today.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
Yeah, they didn't have a lot of guys go on
the ice.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
The locker room was quiet, but but I wouldn't say
that it was like, you know, a bunch of guys
freaking out. I mean, Zukrell and Caresa were having a
ball in their corner and whilst that looked good and
in an in a good headspace, and uh but yeah,
I mean it was it was a sort of business
as usual game. And I think that you know, look,
we'll uh Game four is going to be, if they

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lose this series, one of the most disappointing games that
that I can remember covering this team, and they'll remember
that for a long long time because it was such
a squandered opportunity. And so their goal tonight is to
you know, put the best possible game that they can
on the out ice in terms of effort level and
most execution, and then uh, let's see if that's enough
to beat a wagon in Colorado. I think that they

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have proven in the past that they can win in
this building and beat this team, but.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
It's it's a hard game.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
I mean, there's a reason why this team has been
as good as they have have been all year long,
and and uh so they've they've they they ruined that
opportunity the other night, and now they've got to They
put themselves in a really delicate, unenviable position. But it's
just a matter of, you know, the old cliche, you
just got to win one game and then worry about
game six after that.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's what we were talking about earlier the the are
we talking basically about Caprice Off here?

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Well, I think Boldy too. It's Caprice even Zukerrello like
that lion. You know the other night, you know they
they just uh, they were turning pucks over left and right.
That line hasn't been terrible in this series. Boldi is
definitely in a funk. I mean, he misses Eric Sanak.
He's definitely not going to the trenches the way that
he did in the Dallas series. But but this is

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not just him missing ericsonanacus see a lot of times
when when Caprice Off and Boldy struggle, everybody always wants
to do the old way out.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
But he's playing with Ryan Hartman.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah he's not. He doesn't have jewel er snacks. Sometimes
it's on them as well. There's a reason why they
are the stars of the team and and Boldie right
now on the power play the other night was just
a powerplay killer and and uh and it was mostly
him with the egregious mistakes and and almost stubbornly not
being willing to just dump a puck.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
And you know, as.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
I said to Nordo earlier today, no, dumping a puck
is hard. Nobody wants to dump a puck because the
whole the whole goal in National Hockey League is to
have possession of the puck. And by definition, when you
dump a puck, you're you're you're seeding possession of the
puck to the other team. And then you're putting yourself
in a position where you got to quote chase it
and go get it.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
And it's hard.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
But sometimes when the other team is not allowing you
into the zone and lining you up in the blue line,
and you've just got to get back to the meat
and potatoes aspect of just putting the puck in and
going to get the puck. And and so we'll see
the way it goes tonight. Every game is a different entity.
This series is, sir, been you know, for very different
looking games. You know, Game one was a game where

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both teams were terrible defensively, but especially the Wild, and
they didn't get good goaltending. Game two is a game
where the Wild figured it out at five on five
but was just terrific as special teams. Game three we
talked about where the Wild really won decisively and dominated
that game, and then Game four was the opposite. So
we'll see what we get tonight from either team. But

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I definitely do think look, as I kind of said
to you yesterday, in probably a very you know, you know,
not eloquent way, it's a double edged sword with these
when you rip into the skilled players of the team,
because they're the ones that make the play, and by
making plays, sometimes they have to freelance. Sometimes they have

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to do stuff to keep be unpredictable, and they're not
guys that you just want to always dump the puck.
But I think the difference between last game and Game three,
especially from Caprisots standpoint, is Priestoft kind of dragged the
Wild into that fight. The other game. It wasn't just
the Felinos going out there and crushing bodies.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
It was it was it was it.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Was Carill just you know, playing in traffic, generating his ofference.
The way that we've grown accustomed to seeing the the
unbelievable ten and two swiveling of the hips that he does,
and last game we just didn't see it because him
and Mattz just wanted to play catch with each other
and Boldy same thing. Their line just could never get
possession of the Pawka, as the analytics.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Showed six five to one.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Guy asks you directly, do you think Boldiing Caprisof's inconsistency
in the second round is partly due tie to the
lack of support around them. Johansson has struggled to drive much,
Hartman has looked way too casual with the pucket times.
Do you think bold both Bolding and Capriesof need another
true line driver with them or is this more on
those two needing to elevate regardless of who they are

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playing with.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Well, I think, you know, it's kind of what I
just said.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
I do think they have to elevate regardless because you
know they're not going to get you know, Robert Thomas
in here magically for game five. Here Ryan Hartman is
going to be their number one center, their number two
center tonight.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
It would not shock me, believe it or not.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
If it's Michael McCarran, because I don't think you can
come back with din All. You're off there the way
that they were just absolutely hamorrhaged the other night. So
look there, Look, when you're with linemates, absolutely one line,
you know, it can't be just one player on a line.
And Marcus Johansson, you know, Anthony la Panta will kill me,
but we know he's not listening anyway. But Marcus Johansson

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just continues to prove it's been his whole career that
he's not a playoff player.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
You know, it's just always been that way.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
He'll get you his forty points in the regular season
and then he just seems to disappear this time of
year from.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Blue line to blue line. He's unbelievable. But you know
sometimes and I.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
And I just think that it has because they have
lacked Eric Sinak in this series. Jojo can't drive his
own line, and Boldie is really struggling on how to
really compensate right now.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
And you know Hartman, look, he's piling up points and playoffs.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
He's been okay there, but but you're right, I mean,
he's not your prototypical number one center.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
So they're gonna have to do it.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
But to that, you know Texters, you know point And
this is one thing that we're gonna discuss here in
the next couple of days if the wild season does
en tonight, is that what this series did show is that, look, uh,
Bill Garrion and the staff made a calculated effort at
the deadline that they were not willing to give up
huge assets for Vincent Trochek, who seemed to be the

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only center available, and he wound up not being traded
anyway because they did not want to take themselves out
of potential number one center moves this offseason. Well, okay,
that's fine, I totally get that. But now I think
what this series is showing is that against Colorado, though
they left themselves incredibly deficient in case of an injury,
and that injury wound up being their one irreplaceable guy

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in Erickson Ek. And now they're going into a must
win Game five with Michael mcchaerren, who is a prototypical
fourth line center, most likely on your second line. So
what that's telling me is that you've got you can't
it can't just be play driving wingers because a lot
of the times Bill Garrin and staff believe that because
you have carill And and Matt Boldie in today's day

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and age, that you don't need that top top center.
I think this is showing especially against Colorado, and these
guys are going nowhere. McKinnon's going nowhere, Brock's and a
going nowhere. Their third line center and fourth line centers
have been really, really good.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
Whether Cadre stays or not.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
You know, I think that you're gonna always in this
stupid playoff format that the league has, you're always gonna
have to play one of Dallas or Colorado in the
first and second rounds, and you've got to get better
up the middle because they're always an ARISONECA injury away
from disaster. It's been that way for years and it's
proven that way again. So again I get why Bill
didn't make that big move for a top six center

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this this trade deadline. But I think what this is
showing me is that Jesspervalstad is not safe this summer
because he's the guy that's gonna be able to get
them that ye and.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
This, this, this this series.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Has shown me that they've got to go out and
figure out a way to get her, whether it's an
Austin Matthews or Robert Thomas or Dylan Larkin or or whomever,
somebody better than what they have.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
You reported several hours ago that Eric Sinak did skate
today in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
So what does that mean?

Speaker 4 (11:13):
I mean, it means he's skating, unless he's you know,
gonna miraculously show up here after a commercial flight and
roll in here on a wheelchair. I think he's not
playing tonight. I mean, who knows. You know, I will
say it is funny because Joe Smith and I showed
up here early to just kind of.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
Keep her eyes open, justin Keith.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
But look, what does it mean he's hurt? You know,
I don't care how he felt today. Even if he
somehow could play Game six, you know, what's that mean
for the rest of the playoffs, even if they were luckily,
you know, able to somehow reel.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Off three straight wins.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
He's dealing with a significant injury that is absolutely inhibiting.
Whenever we see him walking off the ice, it's painful
to watch. And so like, you know, even if he
comes in and somehow saves the season in game six,
does that even mean he could play Game seven? You know,
I don't know, he is an injury that should you know,
he probably shouldn't even be trying to skate on and
I just think it's also the type of injury it's

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never just going to get better while he's doing that.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
So you know, they're in a real rough spot with him.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
And it's just such a shame the way that happened,
because you know, look, we obviously know about the history
of Bulodine and Eric Snak injuries, but usually it's you know,
it's blocking a shot or you know, getting locked on
legs or something like that with an opponent. I mean,
this was him. I mean I watched the replay again.
He didn't even hit a rut on the ice.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
He just wiped out.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
And this is one of their biggest horse of the skaters,
you know, on the team. And it's just such an
unbelievable shame that you go into a series like this
without the two of them, because they obviously it's not
just the lack of where they are in the lineup,
it's the trickle down effect of everything from situational hockey,
you know, I mean, just the irony of just look
the other night, you know, Ganella, you're off as centering

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the second line, and he is out attempted in the
game at five and five.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
To twenty one. Oh, well, you know that's Rick Snac's line.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Look at the two goals the Wild gave up in
third period the other day. They're both from left shot
defenseman Jake Middleton turnover and Damon Hunt turnover. You know
these that that's them being in positions that Damon Hunt
would even be in the series, and and Jake Middleton
probably wouldn't be on the ice. So it's just like
it's it's just not that I'm saying that they would
beat Colorado with those two, but it almost feels like

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it didn't put them in a position to even have
the chance coming into the series.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
So watch the one possible injury related lineup change that
we're not going to know about time.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's Pagosia.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
And it's so clear Petrie was playing today by watching
him in the locker room, so he just didn't want
to say it.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
I think you know, games of ship in the playoffs,
But Pagosian has been.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Dealing with high ankle springs and broken bones all year long,
and he had another spill the other night where in
the first period where he had to go down the
tunnel with barely putting weight on it, so you know
it's got to be him. So I think Jeff Petree
is probably the lineup change you're talking about tonight.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Who starts in that for the launch time, mc.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Blackwood was first off the ice, so he was he
was good the other night, and that was the biggest shame,
you know, like again, like this is why I was
critical of the Wild's decision to go with gustf sit
in game two, because if you're going to do that,
you should have thrown him into game one, right, And
that's what That's what Jerry Bednar did. In Game three,
he got Mackenzie a bunch of work.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
He was great.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
The only goal he gave up just bounced in off
Faber on a save that he made. And then last game,
the Wild his first start in twenty seven days and
the Wild don't shoot a puck on him in nineteen minutes.
Not a way to handle a new goldstender coming in.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Six one guy?

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Right?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Is it possible that Colorado just made good adjustments? And
sometimes sounds like analysts think this is all the Wild
is good or they stink. Can we give the avalanchely
some credit for forcing us into turnovers.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Absolutely, Look, this is a well coached team and a
team that obviously has a lot of experience on their roster,
and clearly they made adjustments the other night. You know,
we knew that the Avalanche would be at a higher
level than the Game three. The Wild didn't match that
and certainly weren't able to adjust to some of the

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things that they were doing that were causing these issues.
But that's why again the other night, when you see
that going on, sometimes you just got to get pucks
deep and do it old school, and I know, you know,
in today's as as Marcus Felino said yesterday, and he's
absolutely right accurate. You know, analytically, the Florida Panthers the
last two years won too Stanley Cups, and they dumped

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the puck.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
More than anybody in the league.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
So I think the Wild just needs to be smart
tonight and put a beating on some of their defensemen
and hope that the template that they put out.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
On the ice in Game three is what gets them
home for Game six.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Eight oh eight Guy writes that the NHL Network reported
today that the Wild power play is the worst in
the playoffs since they started tracking the stat in nineteen
seventy seven seventy eight.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Is that true penalty kill?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Oh you should part yeah, penalty killy? Okay, yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah. So it is that it's just that historic.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
So if it's what I'm thinking about, It's what we
reported the other day is that since seventy seven to
seventy eight, when they started tracking it, for second round
opponent Oka, the Wild have the worst penalty kill that's
ever gotten past Going into Game three, it was twelfth
worst all time, but for teams that were in the
second round, it was worst all time. I don't think

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that's power play. I think that's a penalty killed. But
I mean, I'll double check at the second I'm off.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I mean, is there any reason to hope from a
Wild van standpoint that Colorado might you know, ease up
a little bit or do they have too much killer
instinct for that?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Well?

Speaker 4 (16:43):
I mean, look this and again totally different teams, right,
but they haven't won a playoff series at home since
two thousand and eight, since they beat the defunct Northwest
Division Minnesota Wild champions that year. They won that game
in six games, and it was Sakic and Forestburgh and
haydu Can or in all those type of guys.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
And so they haven't.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
I mean, it's seventeen series in a row that they
haven't closed out a series on home ice, seven or
eight wins in a row that they've they've all closed
them out on the road.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
So obviously that's part of it.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
But I look this, the Wild want to go back
to Minnesota. They have to go back to Minnesota, and
Colorado doesn't want to get on a plan. Colorado also knows,
you know that, or maybe they don't know. I know
that the Western Conference Final starts next Wednesday, So so
my guess is that they also know that they can
get some much needed rest here if they end the

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series tonight and get some of these banged up bodies
like Lekanon and Malensky maybe back. So I just think
that they are going to come out and try to
put their best game on the ice tonight, and the
Wild is going to match that and be even better.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Refresh my memory. We're talking about this earlier. Did we
not trail Vegas three to one and won the next
two games to get it to seven, and then we
couldn't finish the job.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Yeah, And that actually felt a lot worse because wild
we're dead stated by injury if I remember correctly, And
in fact, I can't remember who made their NHL debut
in that playoffs. Might have even been like Kalin Addison
or something. But yeah, they But it was worse because
they actually split in Vegas, came home and lost games
three and four at least a while, got to split

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this time at home, and then went there on the road.
And I remember absolutely I joke with this actually with
Craig Leopold and some of his friends to this day.
I wrote the most scathing column I probably ever wrote
about this organization after game four, and and they were
joking with me before game seven, like how scared are
you right now? Like I'm like a little nervous, I
kind of worried about you're gonna win this game. I'm
like an idiot, burn that thing off the internet.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
But it turned out to be right just three games late.
But yeah they did.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
They won games five and five in Vegas and then
one game six at home and then forced to game seven.
They were they were trounced in that game. I think
it was Davida. I can't remember who. Somebody had a
hat trick that game, and uh, but if the thing
that happened that game, shocker. But five minutes into the game,
Jonas Burgim has lost for the game, and that put

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them in a real tough spot. But yeah, so they've
done it before. And obviously we all know the history
of the Wilder. The only franchise in NHL history that's
rallied back from two to three one deficits to when,
but that was twenty three years ago.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
A very different Colorado.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Team wasn't in this building at least yep ended Patrick
Wah's career. Andrew Burnett yep, so that was. So that's
happened in this building. So that you know they have
some maybe some good omens.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
General Soreness checks in with this historical note for you
today mark's the fifteenth anniversary of the passing of a
four Minnesota wild player, Derek Bouguard. I cannot believe he
writes it's been fifteen years already. Does Russo have any
favorite memories of the Boogeyman that he would care to share?

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, I wrote a five years ago. I did a
story with his family. Actually, I think the tenth anniversary.
It's crazy, that's been since long since I did that
story where I talked to all the brothers. I mean,
I have so many memories from that night. You know,
my condo actually across the river on the northeast side
of the Mississippi River at the time, overlooked his condo

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at Heritage Landing, and I actually saw the all the
police officers and all that from afar. And you know,
Booguard was like a big teddy bear. I mean I've
I've said it many many times. I mean, he and
I were extremely tight. I actually talked to him the
day that he died because he had just gotten back
from la I didn't know he had gotten back from
rehab that day, but he had.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
He had checked in with me.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
He told me his brother Ryan was coming to town
and we were actually gonna get together in those next
couple of days. You know, I used to always just
I remember hanging out at his stall a lot in
the locker room with my my you know, I wrote
an inordinate amount of Derrek Buguard led notebooks because I
would just have my my my notebook in my back pocket,
and invariably at some point he would say something absolutely

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hilarious with Nick Baxter might pull it out and be
like can I write that? And you know, one of
the kindest things that he ever did. I still remember
to this day. You know, a friend of mine had
passed away and his h they were having like a
Halloween party and Derek was going to show up there,
and because he was the kids were doing like a

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a boogie man pumpkin and he was going to show
up and surprise him and things like that.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
He was just the nicest guy.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
It's such a tragic ending to to somebody's life. I
still keep in touch somewhat with his mom, Joanne, and
and uh, you know his brother Ryan is such a
great guy and obviously dad Lenny. So it's a brutal,
brutal day in Minnesota wild lore.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
And you know, he.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Wasn't even a wild player at that time where they
trade him to the or he signed with the Rangers
as a UFA.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
One more question about this year.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
You know, the other Derek Boguard thing I'll never forget too,
is he had the day that Derek Doug Risebro was fired,
or maybe a couple of days later, Doug was doing
an availability at Tom Reid's Hockey City Pub, and Derek
had just undergone shoulder surgery and all of a sudden,
this car pulls up as I'm leaving Tom Reid's and
I look and it's Boo Guard with his right arm

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outside the window because he couldn't you know, it was
basically that was the only way that he was able
to comfortably have his arm.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
And he just asked me. He goes, is Riser still
in there?

Speaker 4 (22:17):
And I'm like yeah, And he's like, can you go
get him for me? This is back in nine And
I'm like yeah, and I go in there. I'm like, Doug,
you're not gonna believe it. Boogie's outside, wants to see you.
He goes what he had surgery today. I'm like, I know,
he's still like under anesthesia, but he wanted to thank you,
and all a sudden, Boogie came out. Riser came out
of the Tom Reid's and booguard and him had a

(22:38):
you know, I thought that just showed his class, that
this guy comes out of surgery and wants to go
right to Tom Reids to say thank you to Doug
rise Bro.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
One last question about the series and the potential aftermath
pretty explosive. This is from six to five one guy Russo,
do you think heines he's being out coaching this series?

Speaker 3 (22:55):
And if the Wild lose, does his seat.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Get at all warm, especially with some big name coaches
potentially available and this roster becoming pretty attractive.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
I can't imagine.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
I mean, you know, like the second Eric Snack and
Prodean weren't in the series at bottom time. Even if
he was, you know, you know, I think that's the
excuse right there. I mean, Bill Geran's not stupid and
realizes what they're lacking in this series.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
I know that sounds like an excuse, but look.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
This this is the you know, first time since twenty
fifteen that the Wild got passed the first round. You know,
they had a really, really good year. He's been a
good coach for this team. They're playing without two unbelievably
huge guys, Michael McCarron.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
It might be their second line center tonight.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
If you're getting fired after that, yeah, somebody else should
be fired with it. So like come on, like you know,
like like I mean, I again, anything's possible, but I
just be shocked. In fact, I think that an extension
is probably coming for him. That was the what we
were hearing even before the playoffs began.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
So have a good right tonight. We'll read you later
tonight and tomorrow, and we'll talk soon.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Thank you, all right.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
See Take the Show radio live.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
From Denver, Colorado.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
The action, of course, can be heard all of it,
starting with the pregame show. I'm assuming at six point
thirty as soon as we're done, I believe that will start.
If it doesn't, it should opening face off just past
seven o'clock tonight, and something's got to give. Is missed
a while, cannot lose tonight, I guess. I mean if
they win tonight, Game six would be Friday, Yes, Game

(24:35):
six Wolves Friday, Yes, So you could have a hell
of a night if then both teams extend to seven.
I'm assuming Sunday. In both cases. On the other hand,
both teams could be eliminated Friday. The whole thing could
come to a screeching halt Friday night, same night as well.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, there's big there's a lot at steak here. The
rest of the way.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
The playoffs are a fun ride. They're exhilarating. They're like
a drug. But the crash, Yeah, when it crashes, and
the music stops to be harsh.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
It can be abrupt.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
A question, speaking of abrupt, who's more abrupt than the
Cheech and Chong the farm boy Bumper to mumpers for
the farm boy. Yeah, well he's got some farm boy.
Enemy's got some cheat and Shong in him as well.
It's special k Pat Kessler. He is coming up next
year in.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
The fan Bumper to Bumper with Dan Burrero on the
fan from the one eight hundred Ask Gary Traffic Center.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
This report is sponsored by the Views that the people in.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Confert can find out how they corol America or anti.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
America at Kessler because people have got to know whether
or not their presidents are proper.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
But I'm not.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
I can't trust Obama's Kessler. Tear down the dish wall.

Speaker 8 (25:43):
I did nothing wrong at the Minneapolis Airport.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Senator, You're no Jack Kennedy Kessler. And now to help
Dan break.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
Down all the tough questions and politics. It's our own
Kessler political walk.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I feel like a supermodel, except like times.

Speaker 7 (26:02):
Ten, it's channel farce with Dan Mobrero on the fan.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Where did all the other Kessler laughs go? We're down
to two Kessler laughters. A whole nother page. That's all
that I don't know about. That's all I have. That's
for a while.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Really I thought we had a but I.

Speaker 8 (26:35):
Could, I could re record all of that.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Now that's a that's that's hard. That might be the best.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's a hell of a laugh.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
That's Paul Major. It's a hardy laugh, very good laugh.
I gotta laugh. Then I sprayed Mace and his pa.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
No, that's not a laugh.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
I thought, here, that sounds like that's a creepy laugh. Laughsure,
I do.

Speaker 8 (26:55):
I have a creepy but I laughed loudly and often
you do, I do? Uh?

Speaker 3 (27:03):
You know?

Speaker 8 (27:04):
Yeah, there's remember this one love you?

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I interesting?

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Uh that was Prince Day, wasn't it. It was, yes,
Prince occasion, Yes it was. And Paul Major said I
love you? He did? I was, I was, you were?
I got emotional? No, No, I know you're kidding. Very sweet,
But I don't. I thought we had a lot. I
guess it's the power trip that has most of your Why.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Don't get here?

Speaker 3 (27:32):
What are we doing? Yea, yeah, boy, why do we
have to do that? That's you? Yeah, that's me. That's
after the Mayo Bowl, correct guardy yes.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
When Flavor Flave dumped mayonnaise on PJ.

Speaker 8 (27:46):
Yeah yeah, Cyonara suckers.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I love that one.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
All these were put up by Brett Blakemore. These are
some of Brett's favorite Cassie's.

Speaker 8 (27:54):
Okay, so to over the line, Sweet Jesus, what do
we do?

Speaker 3 (27:59):
We call them, Kessie, we do.

Speaker 8 (28:01):
I was at a strip joint yesterday.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
That's an original. I put that one up there.

Speaker 8 (28:04):
I want to see the package. Also original, and I've
actually been touched.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
By That might be my favorite. All of these are
great stories and all true. Who would that they're all
true apocryphal? They're not apocryph We're never touched by the
Dali Lama. You have no idea? Yes, I was.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I called human resources.

Speaker 8 (28:23):
Not only was I touched by the Dalai Lama who
grabbed both of my hand, one hand in both of his.
When I walked away down the hall at the State Capitol,
people followed me.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Did he say this?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah? Yeah, boy, that Dali Lama.

Speaker 8 (28:40):
He had a good sense of you. Yeah, that has
a good sense of humor. People followed me down the hallway.
You know why why to touch my hand?

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I believe it?

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I'm serious. I do believe it. I mean, you don't
want to be too small if you know it. It
was fantastic. All of these have a story behind them.

Speaker 8 (28:57):
And I not twisted in kind of a Harry Potter way.
I'm not saying pants not wear pants. And I wanted
to be about me. But we could do a show
just on all of this stuff and where they come from,
and and and your own and you go to the
state Fair and you get to sit on those things.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
What is that one?

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Give me some context on that. I didn't. I thought
we were off air.

Speaker 8 (29:23):
Oh you know, so you're just like, what was very embarrassed?

Speaker 3 (29:30):
What was the strip joint one? What was the context?

Speaker 8 (29:32):
I was actually covering a story about voting and voter fraud,
and a strip joint owner in southern Minnesota, just south
of the Twin Cities, uh, tried to get all the
strippers to vote in the city election so that well,
didn't they have a right to vote? Not if you

(29:52):
don't live there, you don't, And so make it a
little easier for strip joints in the town. So I
went in there to try to talk to strippers, try
to talk to the Yeah, didn't it didn't end well.
That's all I'm gonna say. Well I went in there, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
With a camera to talk to Yes, yes, well you
of all people know you can't bring a camera into
a strip joint.

Speaker 8 (30:19):
Well I didn't really, but I went in there myself
with the camera outside. It's that this is one of them.
What do they say, We're not going to talk to you?

Speaker 3 (30:27):
No comment? They did? They did? They demand that you leave? Yes? Absolutely?
And what did you say, I'm that I'm here? No,
I said, I'm a member of the club. What was
the name.

Speaker 8 (30:40):
I'm a member of the club. I'll look it up
in a break. But yeah, it wasn't Buns and Roses,
was it.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 8 (30:47):
It was outside the Twin City South, So yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
It was very nice. You know all I'm doing. I'm
just trying to do my job. Yeah, that's all you
try to do. So yes, so you so one of.

Speaker 8 (30:59):
The things you do, and and some of this is fake,
I'm sorry to tell you. When you knock on a door,
you leave the camera out outside the door, and then
you knock on the door, and why won't you let
me in?

Speaker 2 (31:13):
That's the sixty minutes way.

Speaker 8 (31:14):
Yeah, and I did that many many times when the
camera is recording me do that.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
So it's a very performative.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
But yeah, you know it was a great it was
a great life. You need that visual, that shot of.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
It, mister so and so.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
And it's not like a little knock like, No, it's
got to be emphatic, right, it's.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Got to be with open hand, yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
And then what happens when they open They sometimes open
the door, Yeah, they do, And you got to have
your cameraman ready because you want that shot the cameras
rolling the minute you get out of You want that look. Yeah,
whenever the desk.

Speaker 8 (31:48):
Look of desperation and the frustration, the voice of the
door in your face. Yeah, they slam it absolutely, and you, sir,
please can you give us a minute? No, it's no,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that. I'd say, why won't
you talk to me?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Is it called Jake's in Coach Minnesota?

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Is that it?

Speaker 8 (32:05):
That's absolutely at one of my strip club also members
of the club. Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well, others are saying there was a place called Fat Jacks.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
That wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
I don't remember that at.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
That A different story, different camera say many other names.

Speaker 8 (32:19):
We get how many strip clubs are there?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Heelers, No, wasn't that Heelers is Healers?

Speaker 3 (32:28):
That is that spelled p O e h L p
E E l e R.

Speaker 8 (32:35):
Phonetically, phonetically. Yeah, so I don't know many of them.
There must be many outside the Twin Cities. Well is
it It sounds like it's not open anymore.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
No, he had a lot of trouble. He guys is
bring back Jakes. We used to go there as a
rite of passage on our eighteenth birthday.

Speaker 8 (32:53):
Yes, so the didn't you do that, guardsy on your
eighteenth birthday? No?

Speaker 3 (32:58):
What did I say?

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Was my right passage going to sex World?

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Is that world?

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Right of past? Right of passage? I was there one time,
was probably eighteen in a day. That's not a right
of pass it was.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I got a lot of confirmation from my friends that
that you to judge, what do you think the right
of passage should have been?

Speaker 8 (33:18):
Get a tattoo? We considered that, but by a lottery
tickets the.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Body piercing to do that too? That what's the age
on eighteen?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
It is a eighteen? I mean the right of you
go to Mystic you'd lose you know, twenty bucks on
black jacket.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
And I know that.

Speaker 8 (33:35):
Because one of my children got a body piercing.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Really at sixteen? Were you bitter?

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (33:42):
I was furious that right, but I was furious with
the shop that that did it.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, did you?

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Did you call it?

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I did give him a piece of your mind?

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (33:51):
What did they say? They said, well, you're not a
very good dad. Then if you stop?

Speaker 6 (33:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
So yeah, so you did you demand the piercing be reversed.

Speaker 8 (34:03):
You don't want a child to go back into a
place where they're not allowed in the first place, you know.
So no, I mean there's lots of rites and passages.
Did not know what strip club was, did not know that,
did not know that sex world is.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
So I'm there's not that many things you can do
when you're eighteen, but it.

Speaker 8 (34:21):
Is when you're seventeen. When seventeen and then turn eighteen, right.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Would be that's it.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
There's there's a line of we're old enough to do
some things, not everything, So let's go do the things
that we're old enough to do now.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, And I think that that does make sense.

Speaker 8 (34:35):
I was at a place today at an establishment where peelers. Okay,
we got to know where that is. We got to
know where that is. And what is it that you peel?

Speaker 1 (34:46):
What would be considered in the history of the state
of Minnesota. Yes, what would be considered some of the
most iconic historic.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Strip clubs. Well, it's got to be Buns and Roses. Well,
but yeah, maybe I don't know, man, I'm would that
would that be the most popular? And can you go in?
You you have to be twenty one to go into that.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I honestly don't remember.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (35:09):
So I was at a place today where the young
woman at the counter was going to turn twenty one
this weekend, and someone another person asked her, well, what
are you going to do?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
She says, my mother is going to take me drinking. Bw.

Speaker 8 (35:26):
It's not that my mother is going to take me
for a drink. She's gonna drink me drinking. And so
there was a lot of dissipline there.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, in.

Speaker 8 (35:39):
The waiting room, I was in the waiting room of
an establishment of unease.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, people said, well that's not good. You know. I
took my son.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
My son drank geras when he turned twenty one. Oh,
Garras what a great spot. Yeah, that's a good spot,
a great in bottom of beer and right on cue
the guy. The dude carded him and we were very proud.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Ever been to Tuna's in Evelyth. That's being described as
a legendary.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
I don't like that name.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I'm just saying this is great. I mean, it's okay,
I can't plan this exactly. How old is is that
it does? The six one two guy? Let let us
know he she calls it legendary, all.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Right, Yeah for all the miners you come up the
you know.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Not the miners as an age, not under literally the
mining work.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yes, the iron ore miners. I hate to ruin the momentum,
but we do have to pass a little bit behind
because we had to go along with us. We're spending
club names. Okay, yeah, we'll find out, thank you.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of votes
for you said Jake's is the right now I did,
That's how. There's a bunch of that's a lot of
people apparently been there, uh six four six eighty six
legendary exotic dancer.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
But I guess might as well just at the one
time dancing bar, dancing bar, that's it. Keep them coming,
and then we'll get to some uh A section eight
section material as well.

Speaker 6 (37:10):
The Wild must win in Denver tonight in game five
to extend their series with the ass Pok Drop.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Shortly Toby.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Strip Club history is pouring into the brad plan kid,
and I had no idea six four six eighty six.
I there's a there's a there might be a Lulu
Goose book in this if he wants to do kind
of a different kind of a book, ye, kind of
a retrospective.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
I could be his research. You could very well be
his research. Why does there have to be a rite
of passage there? Does it? I mean, I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I didn't have one either, guards because you were doing
it at fourteen on the farm, and some of us
followed the rules.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Your kids are getting piercens at sixteen.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
We say, let's just say I understood the reproductive process
on the farm.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
There used to be a place in Des Moines called
the lumber Yard.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
There's a place in Cedar Rabbits called the Dancer's Ranch
that lived across from And he's got all time story
about a family member and the dancers Ranch that he'll
have to tell sometimes it's too good dancers ranch answer.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, those are Some of these names are pretty good.
How about dangerous curves in Boyd, Minnesota, and aren't dangerous
for population? Truer words have never been spoken. Dancer votes
could change that town's voting race. Well, that's well, that's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (38:46):
That's what they tried to do in Coats, get all
the dancers becoming to to have a local address so
they could relax all of you.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I'm Sugars in hager City, Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Near the Dells.

Speaker 8 (39:03):
That it's right near the dells.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Here's another vote for the lumberyard a name. I'm not
going to repeat this name because I creativity, I can't.
I'm not going to do it even if it exists.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I got a text from somebody on Tuna's.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yes said Tuna's at seventeen for me, walk upstairs. They
dance to a boom box. We got scared and ran out.
This sounds like a Brothers movie. It could be that's
what this sounds like. Casey's in South Saint Paul. To
get around the law the women performing the adjacent building.
I've been at this place with a glass wall between

(39:39):
the women and the customers out of the box thinking
very wall had slots where customers could then give tips,
very creative seats along the wall for the paying different buildings,
different buildings, You can't what can you do?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
It's not connected.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
If we harnessed our powers for good. I mean, just
think the creativity, the thing that people come up with
for this kind of Lookers in Carlos. Where's Carlos, Minnesota?

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I have not been there, but I've heard of it. Lookers,
that's a good name, and it is a good nickname
or good name.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I guess I should say.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Me and a buddy of mine skips out of school
back in the mid seventies to go to the bullpen
in Hopkins.

Speaker 8 (40:20):
The bullpen, the bullpen, the bullpen? Well, what is Hopkins?
Well think about it. Let's just think about it for
a minute. Why is it called the bullpen? Must have
been by the community baseball fields. Well, yes, why is
bull Durham bull? I mean this is a bull Yeah,
that's what we're talking.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
The gladiator in Gilbert, Yeah, I got that one from
the same source.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Might be he might be a part of your book.
Brick Layer guy.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Liking the reference to Tuna's writes, l L Legendary.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Carlos is just north of Alexandria, by the way. Yeah, okay, yeah, yep.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
And some of these are legend and no longer operating,
but some are still in the mix.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Uh six one two guy, This is from school Chef guy,
School chef guy. No miners in the strip club me
at seventeen. I'm not a minor dumbass. You see a
shovel in my hand.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Oh, good one. I don't know if it got him
in good one.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
A lot of gladiator votes in Gilbert. I'm assuming a
lot of these are closed now.

Speaker 5 (41:29):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
We just don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
In nineteen eighty I worked at the Pain Reliever in
East st.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
That's one. That's one I remember. I do remember it.
I absolutely remember it. That's a great one.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
The Fosters texted me his buddy had his bachelor party
at Tunis. At Tunis, Yeah nice spot.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Mettler's Big and man Cato were talking about Metler's over
the years. Yeah for sure, you know, Mankato Vikings players
might frequent that place from.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Time to time.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I have a tough Metler's memory where I had to
literally basically ghost a sales guy in Mankato because he
was adamant we were going to Metlers after in Minnesota
State and Gopher hockey game.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
He's like, We're going to Metler's. I'm like, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I'm not going to Metler's. And I will always remember
that the Lockness Lounge in Somerset, Wisconsin and that one
the lonest.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
I have very evocative.

Speaker 8 (42:30):
However, Uh, club Saratoga in Canal Park in Duluth.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
That's a big Again, that's a big one. It sounds
the Pa and Dow Bay days. We talked about that
one a lot. Uh, The Gladiator and Gilbert.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
This is Chris and Hopkins writing that dancers have to
pay for their own songs and clear tables in between dances.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Oh man, what a tough, tough one. That's got to
be a tough life.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
How about where is Hurdle, Wisconsin? A G R T
L Hurdle? Yes, that is near the Dells.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Misty Pine, she was the dancer performing tonight Misty.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Times that one. I'm not reading. Uh have we because yeah,
it's what I have. Standards they're low, but you have them.
Ko d In Invergrove Heights, King of Diamonds. Yeah, that's
a famous one.

Speaker 8 (43:21):
Well, now, in the movie Fargo was King of Diamonds.
Uh the was that a gentleman's club in the movies?

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
That might have No, I don't think it's called that,
but I know that's there was a Yeah, they will
have listeners were arranged. They had an arrangement on this.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Quick reminder, wild Game five is tonight right here on
the fan, and the Wolves continue their playoff run on
Friday night, Pivotal Game six, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
This is yeah.

Speaker 8 (43:50):
So I'm glad I came in today, me too. For
the record, really important.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Peelers is in cannon Falls, Minnesota.

Speaker 8 (43:57):
You're asking, oh cannon Falls, how about a lamplighter, that's
a familiar sounding one.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Would that be in St? Paul? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
It doesn't say.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Did we talk about Lookers Carlis, Minnesota and Alexandria.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yes, so Peelers you just told me and I've already
forgotten in.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
I just said it, didn't I what did I say?
And I gotta scroll back? Cannon Falls. Peelers is in
can I wonder how many beautiflces still exist?

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean that's beautiful city.

Speaker 8 (44:29):
Best meal I ever had within Cannon Falls.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Fat Jacks is in Bach, Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Fat Jack's Bach b O c K.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
They are great names.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
They're all great towns. I think pain Relievers moved up.
That's a that's pretty good. Yeah. Lockness in Somerset, Wisconsin.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
Do we name that?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
We didn't named Lockness. Mettler's has indeed been so, I
don't know why.

Speaker 8 (44:53):
You know many cities the Old Red Velvet in remember
that Brainerd, Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
That is the club that Fargo made famous. The textra says,
the Old Red Velvet.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
How about Phipps in Hayward? Do we have the most
strip clubs per capito?

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Like this?

Speaker 7 (45:15):
Figure?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
That out lounge was iconic, right? That was on Hannepin right?

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Well?

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Is that what it was in the movie Theater for
a time too? Right?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, it was right next to it. Basically there's on
the other side of the hall, as I recall it,
Skyway Lounge.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Tweeter remembers getting kicked out of the Pirate's Cove in Aberdeen,
South Dakota. Really Pirate's Cove.

Speaker 8 (45:35):
So the Red Velvet in Brainerd where Sheriff Marge Gunderson
then would say, you know, gotta go, I gotta go.
I got some malfeas up in Brainard.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
We're now, we're late. Can we get to some news
when we come back? Although I do have one of that.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
That's why I'm here, I know, but this is this
is fun too, uh dibbos in Hudson, Dibo remember that?

Speaker 3 (45:59):
I remember that name?

Speaker 5 (46:00):
You do?

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I do? I wonder if under all of.

Speaker 8 (46:05):
Them with an attached liquor store Jake's Bar and Thrill
that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
That's a great name.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Thrill, that's a good name. I see what you did there. Yeah,
that's all though. They're good. We're coming cross Section, they're
coming in.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
I got one Minnesota a question for you, and then
we'll get to a couple of the scandals that you
have on your list to discuss.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
And maybe even.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
We're gonna maybe have somebody in charge and try to
deal with the fraud. And the question is what get
voted in and secondly will it have any impact. We'll
get to that and more as we continue with Castler,
and then we're gonna need your prediction on tonight's Wild
Avalanche game and then the that's game five, and then
the Wolves Game six hosting the San Antonio Spurs. They

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both teams now can't lose anymore, right, the while they
do win three in a row, the Wolves need to
win two. Right, we're down three games to tute. We'll
get those results of those predictions in as well.

Speaker 6 (47:08):
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Speaker 3 (47:14):
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Speaker 8 (47:44):
With Boylson, friend of the show Boy for many years.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Good guy, all right, did you see his tweet from
nine hours ago? Adults living in their birth state? And
there are looks to me like about one, two May
three for maybe about eight states in which the concentration
of adults living in their birth state.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
All kind of in the middle of the country, although
a couple in the South is between sixty and seventy
four percent sixty and seventy four percent. And guess what
is a great stat or one of them which proves
my theory that we're two in bread. We need more

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people from more places.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
To mix it up.

Speaker 8 (48:36):
Do you dare I say we need more immigrants in
the state of mind you could say that too, Yeah,
whatever you want to say. But then from other states
but that's so the inflow. In the outflow is the people.
Fascinating people.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Never leave here, guardians, Never are you gonna leave here?
Everythink you think it's still possible you could leave here.
I think it's still possible.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah, much more difficult now, yeah it's more complicated, but
it's possible.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
You love Minnesota moret.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
You think I'm making that up, It's absolutely true.

Speaker 8 (49:09):
Now here's the deal. So it's a fascinating topic. I
did not see that, and I'm going to go back
and look at it later. That Boyce is bringing up
all of these the stat because it has everything to
do of who we are, where we live, how we're
going to go forward, what our past is like, what
we're going to do in the future. People are born

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every day, people die every day. We have voters that
are on the rolls, that are off the rolls. What
are the things we do in the state of Minnesota
to get people to come here.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Some people will leave.

Speaker 8 (49:42):
Because they say taxes are too high. Other people come
here because they say, we have great services, lots of
fodder in here.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
When you look.

Speaker 8 (49:51):
At the demographics of the state of Minnesota, I think
it's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
It is it's probably we should. I had never heard that.
I had never heard in that stat before, and and
that makes sense. I'm not surprised.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
It's interesting to see. I'm assuming it's accurate.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
See it as an analytic right in a way that
kind of confirms what I've felt most of the time
that I've been here, to be honest with you.

Speaker 8 (50:13):
Well, as i'm looking at it, dan if I just
one more comment on that. When I'm looking at it,
there are very few states that are as high exactly
as the state of Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
That's what's fascinating.

Speaker 8 (50:22):
So we're looking at the Midwest people, Midwes except for Illinois.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Illinois's got is more Illinois is more transient. But the
rest of the Midwest, you're exactly Michigan.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Yeah, it's all there. I think that might be Pennsylvania too,
It's Pennsylvania, Indiana. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Let's get to a couple of quick items here. So
we have the Missisip legislature has approved a new independent
office to investigate fraud of the governor you tell me
is expected to sign. Is it going anywhere? Will it
be helpful? Or is it under the classification of a
lot of heat.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
So we got it.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
We got to give them something, and so now this
will take the pressure off that we got this independent office.
Or is it just going to be another bureaucracy that
doesn't really do what we're asking or wanted to do.

Speaker 8 (51:10):
Well. That's one of the fears that the critics of
this have said in the past that this is something
that what's it going to do? Is it going to duplicate,
for example, the investigative powers of the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
The Minnesota BCA.

Speaker 8 (51:24):
Is this something that is just performative, it's just for show,
because we have had so much that has happened in
the last few years relating to fraud in programs in
the state of Minnesota. This is a response to the
people in charge in the state and most of them Democrats,
over the last few years did not recognize or recognize

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and did not do anything about the ballooning fraud beginning
in COVID and past.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Will it do anything?

Speaker 8 (51:54):
I say, yes, it's going to be an independent office
that will be able to investigate fraud. The one question
that we still don't know is whether or not this
new office and the new Inspector General, if you will,
will have law enforcement authorities. Can it is usipoenas, Can

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it indict people? Can it do this and this and
this and this? What we now have in the state
Attorney General's office and in the BCA. So it is
a step in the right direction. It's what people have
wanted to do. The vote was overwhelming in favor of it,
and Wall says he's going to sign it.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
So we've got one. Now we'll see where it goes.
We have another. What was the other?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I think there's.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
It's an interesting one that you put on your list
here having to do with I don't know who it
was a KSHGP who regarding the achievement bonuses to staffers
who ultimately were overseeing programs that are you know, is
it rife with fraud or ripe with fraud?

Speaker 3 (53:02):
It would be rife, I say, riif feet.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
I thought, with fraud. So what's this all about?

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Well, I'm an idiot.

Speaker 8 (53:10):
I did not know that the State of Minnesota gave
out these kinds of bonuses, performance bonuses, achievement bonuses to
many state employees. Now, in all my many, many decades
in the journalism business, I never got a bonus.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
I mean, how many.

Speaker 8 (53:29):
Bonuses do you get I don't know, so that's one
thing that I was very interested. But KSDP reported the
reporter uh Kirsten Swanson that beginning in twenty twenty, the
Housing Stabilization Program, which is now under intense investigation, bonuses
went to nine staffers when when this thing was getting

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off the ground of one thousand to two thousand dollars
each and three months later the program collapse. Everybody's coming in.
There's millions of dollars missing, fraudulently spent. This is one
of the big deals here. These people were not involved,
says KSDP, in the actual administration of the grants giving

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people money.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
But over the last four or five years.

Speaker 8 (54:18):
KSTP discovers in their investigation, hundreds of staffers across state
government got these kinds of achievement bonuses for job well done,
totally three point two million dollars and so.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Well, that's chicken feed in the fraudness. Well it is,
it is.

Speaker 8 (54:37):
And you know, people, I am a big supporter of
government can do good things. I think it's absolutely true
and many, maybe many of these people did good, good
things in the programs they were administering.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
But it's just a bad look. It's a disconnect.

Speaker 8 (54:52):
It's tone deaf when you're giving bonuses like this to
people involved in programs that are later found to be.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Fraud They also the Minnesota Senate, Oh, there's a violent
interrupter scandal right that the Attorney General is investigating or
is sent levying charges on it.

Speaker 8 (55:12):
Sure, thinking that I've seen it all, But this is
two and a half million dollars that went to a
violence interrupter group. If you don't know what that is,
it is a program that inner cities have the higher
former gang members and other people who may have had
brushes with the law to go out on the street

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and try to calm things down. If it looks like
it's going to be violent, things are going to get bad.
And in fact, there is evidence showing that not just
in our city, but in other cities these kinds of
programs can be effective. But in this case, the allegation
is that they misused We Push for Peace six point

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five million dollars that went to the the leaders of
this group that spent the money instead of interrupting violence
on the street of Minneapolis, they spent it on cars
and vacations, child support payments, and the proper strip clubs.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Is it.

Speaker 8 (56:15):
I'm looking here, you've made that up with ye. I
don't know that parton and car dealerships. I mean, so
where are the guardrails on this? Once again, that's something
and it's not related to the state fraud programs that
we've heard, but this is another one and Attorney General
Ellison is investigating.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Last item for today, the Senate has voted to ban
masked ICE agents who operate in Minnesota. Give me a
little more detail on this bill and does it have
any chance to do anything but die in the House.

Speaker 8 (56:45):
Well, the bill has passed along party lines. Democrats voted yes,
Republicans voted no. By a one vote margin.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
It passs.

Speaker 8 (56:53):
What it does is prohibit the ICE agents in the
border patrol agents in Minneapolis and coming into the state
when all that stuff happened. Bans them from wearing masks.
We don't even know if it's legal for the state
legislature to do it, but they did it anyway. You

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must have you can't wear a mask. You must have
a judicial warrant. You cannot just go into a daycare
or a school or a medical facility. You cannot do
or a courtroom. All the things we saw in metro surge.
This thing has been bugging me for months that suddenly,

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when we never had them before, suddenly the agents are
wearing masks. And the reason we are told is that, well,
people will find out who they are and they'll dock them. Well,
you know what, Police officers do not wear masks. Judges don't,
jury members don't. State lawmakers do not wear masks. And

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they do things, and they have more death threats than
any ICE agent, and people acting on those and act
them and they kill them. And so I'm telling you,
I mean, it's a step in the right direction. I
think we have to come together and figure out a
way where you can enforce immigration laws, but not with
violence and tear gas and arrests and beating people up

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without a mask, and we don't know who they are.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
We will see you either at Target Center.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Or at the arena formerly known as the Ex Friday
Night Man when both teams are playing for their playoff lives?

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Is that correct? Or are you going to go to both?

Speaker 8 (58:33):
I can't afford the tickets I got. I cannot afford it.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
You know, see, you can't even say that with a
straight face.

Speaker 8 (58:41):
Well, what you know what, Deborau what's that if I
had your money, I throw mine away.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
You've got so much money that you throw money away.
If I have money like twenty five years ago, you
know pretty much.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
All right?

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Good to see it. I enjoyed any of this is you.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
You came in today with no idea we would spend
as much time as we did on the history of
exotic dance or strip clubs in the state of Minnesota,
and you learned so much.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Did not know it, but I liked it.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
That's the beauty of it.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
We'll come back, wrap things up. Prepare you for a
little wild playoff hockey.

Speaker 6 (59:19):
Next Bumper to Bumper with Dan Burrero on the fan
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