Top 5/Lavelle Neal - Bumper to Bumper 12/5/25 Hour Three

Dan and Gaardsy talk Twins, Wolves and Wild in the Top 5 before Lavelle Neal makes his weekly appearance on the show to talk Vikings, Twins and even some Gopher volleyball with Wobbs at the NCAA Tournament tonight.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
It is indeed that time again. Don't forget Lavelle. We'll
probably join approximately five thirty tonight. You tease, she had
a heck of a tease. You want to work up
to the twins party want to get I think we
got to get right to it. We did it at
Shields remember a couple of days ago. No, but we
talked about I think it was Bob Nightingale, right, the

(00:39):
dad the senior that had reported that the twins were
looking around or talking, reading some things, seeing deciding what
do we do with these pictures?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
What do we do with Byron Buxton. I think that
was even a different report. Kenny Rosenthal steps in. We
led the Top five and five on Tuesday with that,
if you recall at Shields correct. Here's Kenny Rosenthal from
the Athletic. I'm reading this with one of my two subscriptions,
not sure which one. The twins do not anticipate moving
centerfielder Byron Buxton or right handers Joe Ryan and Pablo Lopez.

(01:13):
According to league sources briefed on their plans, Minnesota's goal
is to keep those players, build around them and compete
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
So who who is saying this? Ken Rosenthal? Oh, so
this an update because Kenny was the guy a couple
of days ago I just quoted started the show with it.
I think it was Thursday, wasn't it that they didn't
know what they were doing? That? Not only so we
read that, yeah, and called him. They got inspired, So
not only do we know? So inspired him apparently or

(01:44):
maybe he was a little old on the information. Who knows?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Read that warding again on the on the Buxton part,
The Twins do not anticipate moving centerfielder Byron Buxton or
right handers Joe Ryan and Pablo Lopez, acording to the
league sources briefed on their plans. Okay, Minnesota's goal is
to keep those players, build around them, and compete in
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Okay, that's very carefully worded. Is that some spielman needs
a little bit anticipated intent? They have no you know,
they have no equity. I'm sorry, I mean I like
this sentence.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
By the way, finances presumably remain an issue, but trades
of players such as Ryan and Buckston would further alienate
the fan base.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, yeah, I think so. Can it be further alienated?
I it'd be hard to at this point, but I
interrupted John. No, it's just it's obvious that it's hard
to believe them. Is it possible that is their intent
and that they're going to stick with it? Yeah, But
if people are skeptical or dubious, they have only themselves

(02:47):
to blame because they have been so secretive and non
communicative on whatever, articulating whatever their vision is. Right, Is
it that hard to speak out loud without being asked
by a reporter? Responding with reporters said to say, guys,
here's where we are. You never say never in this business.

(03:10):
You never know exactly what's gonna be put in front
in front of you. But hear me now, our intention,
our desire is to go forward with several of the players,
the important players here as cornerstone players on a team,
and build around them. It's not that difficult to do,
and that you can still leave yourself the out Well,

(03:32):
we didn't intend to, but then somebody came along with
a big trade. So I have no sympathy for them
if they're bothered by the fact is, if that's why
they're responding now to the Rosenthal report that we led
the show with, I think on Thursday, they have only
themselves to blame because guess what reporters do. They fill
in the vacuum when there's void there. They have more

(03:53):
reason to say, well, we're trying to figure out what
exactly is going on with the team. We'll talk to
Levelle about that in more depth.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
You are Minnesota Timberwolves last night completed the always difficult
New Orleans two step. You always talked about the Texas
two step or you survive Bourbon Street for three straight nights.
Not easy, no, not easy, but they did it last night.
I do remember the Indiana Purdue Indiana two step used
to be big, Like if you wanted to win the

(04:18):
Big Ten. Yes that's today, you had to handle the
Loosers and you had had to handle the boiler Makers.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Well, step one complete for Nico, mission accomplish.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
He's got to deal with the Boilers next week at
matt That would be it's a little tough for it,
and that might cement some things.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
He might actually get a contract extension if he pulls
that off.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
But the New Orleans two step all was difficult, so
difficult that, in fact, I saw this tweet today and
this one is new even I think for the guy
who always defends people not going to games because it's
never been easier to not go, and I think it's true.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I'm going with it.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
The Pelicans and seat geek are providing basically free codes
to people to just come to the games in New
our because nobody's coming.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
And we're talking lower level to level.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
They're back there right now in the old Timberwolves days
where if you joined Lifetime Fitness you got season tickets
in the lower level, which is a real thing. I
saw the stack by someone very close to me that
joined Lifetime and then became, whether she wanted to or not,
a Wolf's season ticket holder. But you know what, you
don't just walk in there and get victories. But the
Wolves got too. It was one forty nine two the

(05:24):
other night in overtime, and last night they outlast the
Pels one twenty five, one sixteen. I think it was
a fifteen to oh run in the fourth quarter where
we talk about it on Enough said tonight, it was
such a funny. Side by side, the whole team is
hooting and hollering and laughing it up and having a
great time. Ants throwing alloups to McDaniel's nas, is hitting threes.

(05:45):
They're playing loose and fast and free, and Chris Finch
looks like he wants to be anywhere but the Smoothie
King Center. He just looks like, we got to get
the hell out of here. Can I get home? And
can we go play somebody else. It was such a
funny because they didn't play very well. They were down
pretty much the whole game again, and then did the
thing that they do, which is start to play for
ten minutes and ran away from a team that has

(06:08):
no business hanging with them. Even though they did compete
hard for two games. It was it was just hysterical.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Were playing coming on, we getting into the meet.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Tomorrow is the Clippers, Monday is the Suns, who are
not bad Clippers or Clippers are remass Sons. Are right
on our heels, basically in the in the seventh spot,
at least they were within the last day or two.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
They're playing like they have a purpose which is very
different than the Suns of the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
And then we're going to get into, though, the part
of the schedule where we have like our fill in
games because we didn't make the Cup. We're never going
to make the Cup. Ever, I don't think we're ever
going to win it. It's just my dream. You've got
Golden State a week from Friday on the road Sacramento, Memphis.
I mean, not a ton until is it Christmas the
way of Denver again or a Christmas is Denver. Two
days before that it's the Knicks. A couple of days

(06:50):
before that it's the Bucks. And Giannis probably can I
think to this.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Point we've had one of either the second or third
easiest schedule that makes sense, which probably makes some sense.
And again that doesn't mean everything, but they they do have.
They are adventuresome man in terms of some of the
silly turnovers, and and even Randall sometimes he says he
just starts dribbling hi, and there's you know, He's like,

(07:15):
there's people behind you and in front of you.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
He's not ready to go. Yeah, So it's very strange,
but he's a good barometer for how the team's gonna go.
Jaden's kind of won too, although he was great again yesterday.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
His finish at the basket, his resounding dunk, that was
a nice play. Absolutely Devincenzo I think, according to a
lot of the analytics, is probably playing his best ball
since he's gotten here with Its important because I didn't
think we saw the Evincenzo that I saw in New
York last year, so that would be that would be
a major boost to the club, even though he is

(07:49):
not a point gerd.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Minnesota, while last night played it happened their worst game
in a few weeks and lost on us what happened
a terrible Calgary team in the Saddle Dome four to one,
and it's first time in a while that we've kind
of gotten dominated in a regulation game like that. It
was tied at one briefly and then three third pariad goals. Well,

(08:13):
the Flames knocked us off, unfortunately, and everybody said after
we didn't have the usual zip and pop that we
finished in for us, it was Gus Buss exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Oh no, that's the first sign. The first time one
of them struggles, then it's goalie controversy. They need to
go with the kid more often he might need to
be the main guy. Now, I'm not saying we're there yet,
but that's all it takes, right, that's how this is
going to play out. If suddenly gust Bus is in
a little bit of a slump, ago, you got to go.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
With the kid.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Well, here's the next litmus test. Calgary is no longer
the worst team points wise in the Western Conference and
in the National Hockey League. The next opponent the Vancouver
Canucks now is because Calgary got two points, they have
twenty four points.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
The Canucks? Who we play? When is that? As I
turn my neck, which I can't do because I'm old, you're.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Next in trouble. I heard it's terrible. That's bad for
no reason. Just out of nowhere, it's over.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I know it's over. It's yeah, it's over. It was
a great run. You need to go to one of
one of those gyms that are out there now that
all they do they stretch, the stretch lab, the stretch lab.
Everybody raves about that stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
I'm going to stick with a lifetime for a while longer,
and they'll stretch you too.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Okay, they'll stretch you too.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
But it's tomorrow, Night nine, o'clock tip the Vancouver Canucks,
you have twenty three points. They are also no good.
It's a road game. That's why it's so late. But
it was not a not a great effort. Last night
as I watched the logged out after the Wolves believable.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Sorry, got to stay current. It's amazing. That's pretty much
all I got. It's time to straddle anyway, Let's do
it and then level at five point thirty tonight. Eventually
we'll take some questions as well from the student, not
studio audience, but the audience at large. Brat Shawn Bryant canfein.
Text line is six four six eighty six.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Vikes play with food, Twins get booed wild, come on glued.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Vike's just rude. Wolvesn't five. That's one of my new
favorite textures. Six five to one Guy, also known as
Guardsy's conscience. I could use one. JG knows entire Wolve
schedule through Christmas, doesn't know the while through the weekend. Sad.

(10:40):
Maybe that's fallness. Probably could be. It could be fallness,
there's no question about that.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
I actually had the Wolve schedule pulled up, so I
don't know it off the top of my head. But
I do no more games for sure. I knew tomorrow
night against the Clippers.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Lavelle will join at the bottom of the hour, we'll
get his reaction to the the media report from who
was it Kenny Rosenthal? Yes, that we intend to keep everybody.
Does that mean anything? And he doesn't mean that much
to me? But they tried it leading the top five

(11:15):
and five with baseball in November hashtag deep side. That's
also Guardsy's conscience is set like ten of them in
the last it's the only guy that has time to
text that much.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, yeah, because he's got He produces the shortest pre
and postgame show in the history of of of local broadcasting.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
It's amazing. The only time he wants the postgame show
to go long is when it gets in the way
of us starting our show. That's the only time, So no,
I keep going.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
I've got plenty otherwise he's He's in and out in
like six minutes. I don't understand that it can't be
sponsorship issue. I gotta believe there's plenty of sponsors, aren't
there out there?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Aren't there, don't you think in the state of hockey? Yes,
better be I'm just saying, I'm just wondering about that.
What's the other item I wanted to get to here
in this housekeeping segment. Hold on a second, let me
find it. I've got to scroll down, but I will

(12:18):
find it here somewhere. Oh well, this is This was
not the one I intended, but it's worth a mention,
at the risk of again alienating a few of our listeners.
A congressman from Honduras was just sentenced today in federal
court to twenty two years in prison for the same

(12:38):
drug trafficking operation as the guy Trump just pardoned, Juan
Orlando Hernandez. I thought the trafficking conspiracy was a Biden hoax.
And somebody said, well, if this particular, a congressman from
Honduras was just sentenced today, if he can just produce
a single in a single quote somewhere along the line

(13:03):
positive about Donald J. Trump, he'll get out. He'll get
his get out of jail free card too. Only realistically, Monday,
you know, fairness and savagery.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I didn't get to this subject with Luger yesterday, and
I do know what his response would have been if
I had, because we talked about it off air, and
he said, yeah, he said these are disturbing, no question
about that, because they're coming fast and furious. And usually
what presidents tend to do is they do it on

(13:33):
the way out the door.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
For sure, he's doing it all along. He's saying, cats
and dogs living together. I don't care. Bring them as
they come, bring them as they come. But he did
remind us, remind me, And there's some truth to this.
Presidents forever have over used their pardoning power. And as
I said, other presidents haven't gotten as much heat because

(13:56):
they've tended to do it at the very end where well,
they're gone, Now what are we going to do about it?
But this is not the first president to abuse the power.
He may be on his own plateau, he may have
raised it to another level, especially with on the one hand,
we want to gun down the individual drug runners, but
then we want to let the people responsible at the

(14:17):
top end for some of these drug operations that are
allegedly killing billions and billions of Americans. That's another callback quote,
that's they will get them out of jail because they're
not really that those they're not really they're misunderstood. So
that is rather that's a see a contradiction, but he

(14:37):
did say, and he's right. You can go down the list. Frankly,
there are way way too many. Unfortunately, where was the
other one I wanted to get to? Oh, well, can
you get let's do a mini o to a dead guy.
Come to think of it, because I want to get
to this before the week is over. I probably should

(14:58):
have gotten it sooner. Are you familiar? Did you find
it is gone? No? It can't.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Oh no, I thought it was on a button bar
a or page one. That's where his perience. You found it,
And now I'll.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Still be made ode do a day guy, And I
think it has stood the test of time. Are you familiar?
You're probably not. There's no reason you would be familiar
with a man named Randy Bachman. Once upon a time
there was a group, a pop group called Bachmann Turner Overdrive,
and they had their moment.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Well.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
He sent out earlier this week a salute in the
wake of the news that Steve Cropper had passed away.
And I'll quote Bachmann because he does as good a
job of owding him as anybody. And if you're interested
in popular music and go back more than fifteen minutes,
it's a big name. It's an important name, Blackwan says

(16:06):
or writes. Cropper or the Colonel was a legendary guitarist,
songwriter and producer. Most will remember him will We'll remember
him as the guitarist of the Stacks Records house band
Booker t and the MGS who backed Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett,
Sam and Dave, Carla Thomas, Rufus Thomas and Johnny Taylor.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I was fortunate to have known him. I met Steve
many years ago and he asked me for a guitar lesson.
He said, I'll do you a favor back.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
He then recorded the Staples Singers doing Wednesday in Your Garden,
a song I wrote which was on the nineteen sixty
nine Guess Who album We Field Soul. Several years ago,
I saw Mavis Staples and went to see her backstage.
She sang the whole song to me. It was amazing,
She remembered every word. Lots of love to his friends
and family. Music lives forever, other worlds to play in.

(16:56):
He is again. You may not remember the name, but
there's an excellent chance that if you're interested in R
and B music, some soul music, some that defy categorization.
You heard him on the guitar without necessarily knowing that

(17:16):
it was him. There's a a famous blue song called
Lomia Dime, and there's a great version that in which
Boz gags is the vocalist, a live version in which
at the end of the song he basically, you know,

(17:36):
I think it was the old The song ends, there's applause,
and Boz says, Steve Cropper just to give him his
proper due. So a big name, even if you don't
necessarily recognize it because his musical contributions just he's the
classic session musician. And we've talked about this historically over

(18:01):
the years with a lot of our guests, a lot
of our musical guests, that they're really like they're the glue,
you know, because once upon a time, and I don't
think this is true today. These various studios they did,
they kind of had house musicians, you know, house bands,
whether it was Motown or Stax Records, whatever the case
may be. And these individuals were artists, they were craftsmen.

(18:26):
Even if no one knew their names, they knew their
damn music. And Cropper definitely.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Applies to that particular description for sure. Anybody else says
a Steve Cropper moment they want to text me, let
me know, Bratcheawn Brian Kafan text line is six for
six eight six. That's Steve. I should say six four
six eight six. Well, come back with Lavelle e Neil

(18:52):
the Third. You might have questions on location today Levella's
is that right? But Touri Pavilion for model Mury Pavil
the volleyball NCAA Championships. Yeah, Gophers playing in the little
bits courtside at the path as they call it. Right now, Bingal,
you think, are we gonna get some good insight into
the volleyball tonight. I don't know if I have it

(19:13):
in me to talk a lot of volleyball, but I
can talk some well. Lavell, as we know, could answer
any volleyball question that you throw his way.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
All right, we are indeed back and Lavelle is back
with us. After all, it's five thirty on a Friday,
and that's when the bat signal goes out to Lavell
e Neil the Third. And it's not exactly like where
in the world is lou Nanny? I mean the venues
from which he might be that Lavell might be speaking
to us not generally that exotic, although he has talked

(20:02):
with us from China shortly before he left all his
underwear in his hotel room. More on that later in
Today's In.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
The Today's case, my sources say, Lavel that you are
inside the mother Mature pavilion.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (20:18):
That's correct. I'm watching. I'm watching Saint Thomas in its
first ever Division one volleyball tournament game take on Iowa State.
So so far it's tied up a one set of piece,
but the Cyclones just won the second set twenty five
to thirteen, and it looks I believe it was like
eight to three or nine to three when the time

(20:40):
he just took put a time out in the third set.
So after get off to a good start, the higher
seated Cyclones are starting to flex their their muscles or
their wings whatever you want to call.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
By the way, for the record of musically speaking, I
think for since you've always had very eclectic tastes, were
you ever a big blues brother? I bring that up
because we were owning the late great Steve Cropper, the
guitarist session guitarist extraordinaire, who's one of the Blues Brothers
has passed away, and I'd forgotten to get to that
story earlier in the week. Were you much of a

(21:13):
Blues Brothers guy, or were you familiar with the name
Steve Cropper.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
I was familiar with the Blues Brothers and I enjoyed
their music. I love the peppy, entertainment driven music that
they put out, and Steve Cropper doesn't ring a bell,
but I do remember the name Blues Brothers, the band,
not just the movie, the band massive.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
I'm getting a lot of good background effect. Morning show
guy Hockey just sent me a great story that we
may be able to get to later as well regarding
another great contribution to a brilliant ballad soul classic as well.

(21:55):
I don't know if I have any more volleyball questions
in me, but is there anything else you'd like, any
other insight you'd like to bring, or any of color
to the occasion you'd like to bring before we get
in get in on some other stories.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Well, it's a really interesting because I always state like
brought their band, they brought the childer leaders. They have
actually a cheering section guards. You would be grossed out
to know that they actually busted out a six to
seven chant during the second set. Uh, you know, which
grinded my gears a little bit. But they travel well.
I would say fans are definitely traveling well for this
this event. It's very loud. It's back to my old

(22:30):
high school reporting days in Kansas City because I'm sitting
right on the side of the of the court and
I got fans sitting right behind me screaming, and uh,
it's a definitely annoys the event. And I've been told that,
you know, wait till the Gophers play, it's going to
be even more people here. It's gonna be even louder.
So I guess the pavilion can get pretty loud, get rocking.

(22:51):
When when there's a good volleyball that you played.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
All right, I'll take your word for it on that,
you're gonna say, Guardie, well, yeah, that's an unbelievable volleyball
Viteman in there. But why don't you turn around and
ask the Cyclone fans how they're feeling about their football
coach maybe going to Penn State?

Speaker 2 (23:05):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Is that official yet? I don't think it's official, But
what's happening?

Speaker 4 (23:10):
I mean, I'm a most surprised that the same Thomas
fan base hasn't taken that one up because the St.
Thomas has there a little they they could stir it
up a little bit. I covered the first hockey game
at the new Arena, and the province came out and
the nicknamed were the Friars, and the Friars are coming
out to warm up, and all of a sudden, here's
the sink Thomas Cherne sections starting the the five Friars chant.

(23:32):
And I'm like, I thought, there's a nice upstanding Catholic
in the institution. And someone turned on me said, novel,
most of these kids are from a dinerst Well, here's
what weird to me.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
And now that you mention it, it kind of does
reinforce of you. I've had that. I sensed that over
the this. I guess you could say school year, you know,
going back to September. Moving forward, you've covered much more
Sat Tom, much stuff in the University of Minnesota stuff.
What's the deal? I mean is is Johnny athletic in

(24:05):
your ear all the time or what.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
No, It's just that we just we feel like you
only have one first year, you know, and uh, this.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
Is Saint Thomas's first year.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
As a full fledge Division one, you know.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
School, it's eligible for postseason.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Coming it could go. The thing I guess is what
you're saying, that's a little.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Yeah, so it's not going to happen again.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
I mean, but I mean going forward, we have to
pay attention to their Division one school and they need
to be treated. You know. Maybe I don't know the
equal footing is the University of Minnesota, but you do
have to recognize the fact that there's another Division one
program in this state. So uh, you know, since there
we did the first games in the in the hockey arena,
the first game in the basketball gymnasium. Now the first

(24:44):
game is the postseason participants in the volleyball so we
will be done. We'll be all out the first year.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
Prices God, thank god.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
It is all I can say because if my sources
say the coverage is going to get thicker, and that's
all I can say about Yeah, because Mucket, it's there's there's,
there's there's a what's the outsized influence I would say.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Among the beautiful people and the influencers that are going
to have you covering more Saint Thomas stuff than you should.
That's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Well, Rochie and I had had a conversation about just
creating a Saint Paul beat where someone like covers Saint
Thomas and maybe during the summer just takes over the
Saints and gets more state Saint stuff in the there
you go. But I don't know if we're going to
have the people power to pull that one off.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
No, I think that's well unless that's unless Royce decides
that's his next deal. That you know, then that that's
how he closes. He you know, he basically eventually retires
at age one hundred and five after becoming the Saint
Paul correspondent the Saints beat. Right now, he's still a
ball guy, exactly it and might it actually makes no
sense that.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Would check the boxes out too, But Rachel ans me
out in the road too, So I think the whole
I think he likes covering the entire state of Minnesota
and finding great stories about the people the sports figures
that make up the state.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
If Lavelle's looking for peace and quiet, who have to
wait until target Field opens up next spring, writes Clayton
from I.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Did't say anything about inquired. I'm just saying my guy
get used to the noise, wild environment. You know, you
when you're when you're pampered, it's spoiled, and you sit
in press boxes all the time. You're kind of away
from all the madness. You know, this is just a
This takes me back to the old days of the
journalism when you're trying to cover high school basketball game.
Everybody's screaming and got the TRS eighty computer hoping that

(26:28):
the telephone hook cup cables are working so you can
get your story in on time. Back to those type
of days. Almost do you.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Take the Twins at their word, or at least as
spoken through a nationally respected baseball writer who must have
heard him say just a couple of days ago. Internally,
the Twins don't even seem to know what their plan is.
And now the Twins are saying, we know exactly what
our plan is, and our plan includes keeping both of

(26:58):
our best starting pitchers and keeping Byron Buckston. Is there
any reason to believe them?

Speaker 4 (27:03):
Wait? Man, who there's a report that suggested that second
half that they know they're gonna keep those guys. I
hadn't seen that.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Ken Rosenthal said that, yes, they're planning on it, anticipating.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Is the term.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Well, yeah, that means they anticipated until they get their
socks knocked up by some offers. I'll believe it when
I see it. I just think that I think a
lot of this is the ownership driven that maybe they're
still making decisions. They didn't know what their payroll was
the day they hired uh Derek Shelton to be the manager,
and we're sure of that. Instead, I don't know what
the who the new investments are they were supposed to,

(27:39):
you know, the latest the latest rumor was I was
told that hopefully they said the first week of December.
So I texted them on my person on Tuesday. I said,
it's the first week of December. And then I said, yeah,
you're right, Uh maybe hopefully by them the winter meetings
which are next week in Orlando. So I'm done, you know,
I'm just done trying to, you know, brow beat them

(27:59):
up some information that everybody like to have. Let me
ask you this question.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
I quoted Kevin Kernin today on the Enough said program
shall run tonight on Fox nine plus seven thirty, and
I think on nine were between ten thirty and eleven
tonight after the news and Curnin led his ball nine
you know, basically hot stove League Winter meetings column saying
the Twins should trade everybody, that there's no point in

(28:27):
even pretending any longer. If they really want to keep
sort of playing the half asked game, don't play it half.
Go all the way with it and trade both of
the pitchers and trade bucks into Atlanta. Let him have
some fun down there in an area he knows. Well,
do you do you think there's any logic to that that,

(28:48):
you know, as painful as it is for Twins fans
to realize, how then, I guess you could say irrelevant
this franchise would be the next three or four years
that let's stop full ourselves, go ahead and start literally
start all over, get rid of everybody.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Well, what Kevin is suggesting, that's something that franchises have
fine found hard to do. Just totally gut a roster
and start from scratch and go scorch sturf. Most teams
don't do that. They they saw off a few pieces
and try to do it on the fly and try
to win and develop at the same time, which is very.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Hard to do.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
It's it's uh, that's just a move that teams don't
do except in one instance, Uh you know, I I
arrived to start tom Union time for the nineteen ninety
eight season, and after they had us, I think they
lost a ninety something games with like Mike Morgan, Bob
Tootsbury and uh Grake Swindell and all those guys. Carl

(29:44):
poul I was like, look, if I'm gonna lose ninety
something games, you might as well do it with a
cheaper roster. And they got at the roster. So the
one case that the Twins could go by is their
own because they did this back in ninth at the
nineteen ninety eight and now you played a two or
the nineteen ninety nine and then played another eighteen rookies
in two thousand and as a turnout, you know, the

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fallout from that helped build the Twins teams in the
two thousands that were pretty talented, you know, Tory Hunter
and Jack Jones and Corey Cosking and all those guys.
You're getting getting experience and becoming you know, good players.
So they've done it before.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
And so they shouldn't be afraid of doing it again.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Since they're used to doing it, maybe they'll have the
same effect that just would be two or three years
down the road when they're when they get better. But
you know, you know why, well, who you're fooling, You're
not gonna win next year, You're not. You're probably gonna
finish last in the division. If they're kidding themselves. So
they think that they're in a position to turn to

(30:45):
have a quick turnaround and compete again. Because all these
players develop at different, uh, different levels. Some guys have
made may sail right away.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
Other guys are gonna fail for a.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
While, and then you know you're gonna need you need
some of these guys need to get their brains beat.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
In, you know. And meanwhilehile they're doing that, you're gonna be.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Losing games, you know, So don't don't think that you
can out smart everyone and think that you could just well,
I'm just gonna we're gonna reload with younger players and
watch all these guys come together once. It doesn't happen
in baseball. So once you start taking these steps and
trading eleven people they did at the trade DeLine, you
know why stop?

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Now?

Speaker 4 (31:21):
You know, see what you get for Ryan? See if
you get the Lopez and uh, you know see where
Buckson wants to go and try to make something happen,
because you know, they're not gonna raise the Payol text year.
We already know that, so they're not gonna try to
add any to get any presentality. They're gonna go what
they got. They're gonna go with the young players. They're
gonna go in house. I guess most of their solutions
are gonna be in house. So you know, just put

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everybody out of their misery, go ahead and trade those
three guys and then start from scratching and build up.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Are they prepared to deal with the attendance fall out
that would then follow? That would be I think even
worse than most of us are predicting it. It's it's
going to be right now then the bottom is completely
out of it, don't you think.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Well, I'm sure they're seeing that now. I'm sure the
season ticket renewals are not coming in at a fantastic
great like they like they have in recent years. And
they're also probably going to see it in terms of
group sales. The fans who you know, groups of twenty thirty,
fifty or one hundred that come in from all the
come in from drought Twins territory that Da Colas and Iowa,
in western Wisconsin and Washington games are probably not going

(32:27):
to get a lot of advanced groupselves that way either.
So I'm sure they're already seeing what's going on here
and the big you know, and of course the big
one is what's going to happen after twenty twenty six
and the CBA runs out, whether it be a work
stoppage there, And that's my conspiracy theory is that they're
looking at that too as the reason the slash payroll
so they don't have to get stuck with a bigger

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payroll when there's going to be a work stoppage.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
The Let's talk to the football as well. Your favorite team,
the Bears are in Green Bay for a game that
got moved i think the three twenty five for all
the obvious reasons. It's a it's it's basically it's the
winners in first place i think in the division. So
before we get to Vikings, let's talk a little bit
about Bears packers, because they you could say, everybody assumed

(33:16):
they were going to start imploding with the Black Friday
game against the Eagles in Philly, and they obviously performed
quite admirably there, especially on the ground.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
And took care of business. So what do you expect
against Green Bay here?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
I mean, do you think this team it's it is
time that this team be given some credit given that
win on the road, or you still skeptical?

Speaker 5 (33:41):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Did you guys use the Bears Packers game as a
pick them game? This sweet with Carl?

Speaker 3 (33:46):
We did?

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Did anyone to take the beer?

Speaker 2 (33:50):
We both, Governor and I both did. We both took
him to cover. Yeah, it's I think it's sick right.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
Carl said it's gonna be disruption.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Right, he just called for fet out, that is correct.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, and that's after he called Paul Allen fat really yeah,
just out of nowhere, just a just a cruel salvo.
And and Pa must have heard about it because he
responded with Merry Christmas, Carl, try to rise above.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
This reminds me before I answer answer your question, you
guys should play the Carl Gersmith Christmas carol that he
sung years ago. I found it. Someone led me to it.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
It's on YouTube. Uh.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Then it's back during the Dante cull Pepper day.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, it's been a while while.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Man, maybe you should bring that out of off balls. Okay,
we'll take that under consider.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
It rather explained a lot about carlat for Minnesota Sports
and the things he said during the whole the happiest
time of the.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
Year was just disgusting.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Anyway.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, even even Synecon admitted to me that, you know,
he thought the Bears went over Philadelphia's eye opening to
going to there into their stadium in front of those
fans and pretty much run the ball. It will run
it down there through two running backs for over one
hundred yards rushing and do enough defensively to you know,
Fuster Jay hurt uh.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
And slow down that offense. I thought that was the
signature win that they hadn't.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Had all year. So a good running game travels well,
and I think you can see that against the Packers
on Sunday and lambeau Field. I am concerned about Romo
Duze is out with a foot intry, he's not going
to play.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Jerise Stevens is out with a hip, but TJ.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Edwards, a linebacker who's really vital to our run stopping defense,
will will be activated and healthy for the game. So
some guys out, some guys in. I'd like the Bears
chances of I would take the Bears in the points
I don't know if they're gonna win, but I think
if they lose, they'll lose by a close margin because
you know, the the Packers are a talented team and

(35:52):
you know, as much as I skeptical, Jordan Love, you
know he's he can make some plays. Josh Shacobs is
a good running back, and the Bears running defense, you know,
has been leaky at times against good running backs. This
is this would be a test to see if they
can slow them.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
Down on the on the ground that will give them
a shot in this game.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Try to explaying the sinecon too, is that uh you
kept you kept chirping about the Bears, you know, the
number of yard the yardage they've allowed, And I was like, yeah,
but you have to look at the third down defense
and looking at a defense in the red zone. Then
that's when they've tightened up. And Dennis Allen, I thought,
it's worked wonders with what he's had because he's had
guys that have missed most of the season. Chalil and
Johnson's only played like in two or three games this year,

(36:32):
you know, And so I think Allen's don a great job.
They've had the they've had to run they've had to
play nickel like the entire game because the linebackers are out.
It's it's been uh, it's been uh, it's been a
chance from but they've they've been functional. So I think
with the running game, with an offensive line that's ranked
among the top of the league, I think they're going
to keep this game close and then not get blown out.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
And I think the.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Secondary is as healthy as it's been it's been, it's
relatively healthy this week. That's going to matter as well.
So I still think the Packers were gonna want to
close on them, but the Bear's going to give them
a game, and I can't wait to see them in
two weeks from now back in Soldier Field for the remax.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Are you going to that? Is that what you're telling me?

Speaker 4 (37:13):
No, I'm no, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
I wish I could.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Well, you know, I'm actually feeling slightly morose listening to
you lay out I think quite eloquently the matchup because
we're in the Twin Cities, right Minneapolis, Saint Paul, And
it doesn't feel right when the Vikings are irrelevant to

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any of these discussions regarding the division, regarding the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
With five games to go. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
If you get to like the last one or two, okay,
well but we still got a month and change to go.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
And now it's all consolation prizes, it's all trying to
find out about JJ. It's it's not a good feeling,
right because football is such a power full engine in
any metropolitan town that has a team, but certainly here
and right now it's just sputtering along and it's like, well,
we got to find other things to get excited about.

(38:10):
Whether JJ can answer the bell and you can get
a little bit better and we can do a couple
of other things and cut down.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
We got to ask though, and you guys, both with
your Bears fans, you should be able to guide us
through this. You've done this for the last decade. So
what's the key.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Well, I gotta say welcome to my world on that one,
because this this is like only the second time since
nineteen sixty five that the Bears and Packers are meeting
in which both teams are like over more than fortians,
over five hundred in December.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
I mean, it's it's it's it's ridiculous that the Bear
is usually out of it by this time.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
And all the moroseness you're talking about. I have lived
on an annibal basis. I've gone through the an annual
basis here in the last fifteen years or so, except
the twenty eighteen the Matt and Naggy team that got
double taps out of the postseason. Yeah, but yeah, it's
a it's a crummy feeling because you know, it's when
your football team is doing well. It's nothing that energizes

(39:00):
a city like a winning football team, you know, and
so to be on the opposite end of that and
knowing that by Thanksgiving, your cook your goose is cooked,
it's a demorializing feeling. And it's been a lot.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's more here. Here's the other thing I think that
makes it crueler here than there. It's I feel like
it's it's we're used to at least being in the mix,
and as a result, I think it's harder for us
to to accept it. And I feel like under Zimmer
at least it wasn't a lot of every other year
kind of a thing. And has it been every other year?

(39:32):
Every one out of every three years have been down
under a KOC I don't even know, but it that's
part of I think what makes it harder is we're
not either thaying long enough to where we can, you know,
I think necessarily be comfortable. But then it kind of
kind of keeps coming reverting somehow, whether it's we lose
the close games we were winning before, or injuries, whatever

(39:54):
the case may be. And you know, for so long,
going all the way back, even post Marsha Walker trade,
the team tended to be in the mix. You know,
most of the time. They didn't win Super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Obviously, they didn't even win often didn't win you know,
heavily into the playoffs, but they they they seem to
be a factor. And now we're one of those teams
that are just playing out the string with a month
to go, a month and change to go.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Well, I said, you know, you can, you can. We
can compare to degrees of torture that the van fan
bases have been through.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
Yeah, the Vikers fans have been.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
It's been a little more a little more dramatic because
when you've got to that good years, they've gone haywire,
you know, like the wide right, you know, Gary Hanson,
mister Field go forty one doughnut, the Brett Favre game
against the Saints. You know, there's been reasons to have
your hearts ripped out. The Bears fans have been suffering
through death by a thousand cuts. You know, the cuts

(40:48):
start coming and then of September and go through October
and then like I said, by Thanksgiving. You know, we're
trying to look ahead the spring training for baseball, so
for baseball solos. But yeah, so I think I can
tell the Vikings fans of this just focus on JJ
McCarthy getting some experience and just imagine what better days
are gonna look like. Also, get ready to rolle about

(41:12):
this for Sunday too. And my three two pitch I
brought up the four letter word that you know you'll
never hear players or from an office to talk about,
but it'll be in the back of the minds. And
that's the Fortulan word is tank. Uh.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
So you can imagine what the offseason is going to
be like when the Vikings are gonna have ten draft picks.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
You know, they gonna get conversation picks from Darnold and
Daniel Jones and they got ten picks to play. What
can they do with those picks? You know, how can
they restock this this roster. Do you trust crazy to
do it? You know, there's these are the things you
have to use to think that the future is going
to be better than the president. Trust me, I've been
through it a lot.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, there's no question about that. And that's what I
think makes it hurt weirdly more here because you've had,
you've had, you've had time to get accustomed to it
in a way that you know, a year ago, they're
sitting at fourteen and three and we're thinking going into
that last regular season game, we might be as good
as anybody. We can even control homice advantage. So on

(42:14):
the QB, what we need to see? What do you
need to see the rest of the way the last
five games.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Well, let's start with a first down, and then we'll
start with a second first down, and let's see let's
graduate to getting the volunteer opponent's side of the fields
and also, you know, carrying the ball over the goal line,
which in the sport it's called a touchdown. Okay, because
we haven't seen that in two weeks. So let's just
start stacking good positive plays. Let's getting out everybody up

(42:42):
to the line of scrimmage, getting to play called getting
the protection right and start moving chains and trickling the
ball down the field and the getting an ins a
couple of times, and then after maybe you do it
a couple of times, you start to remember the.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
Feeling and it becomes more of a habit.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Because this rock bottom right now with this offense, and
they've got us start building some momentum. It's gotta be
step by step. It's gotta be inch biting. It's about
all eleven players on that field, not just the core
back trying to hold their block for one second longer
or trying to push a guy one more extra yard
to get another yard. And when eleven people do that
at once, you can build momentum. And they got to

(43:17):
start and JJ's gotta be the maestro. I would like
to see broke another game. I just think sending a
sea out on that situation was a possible task. But
in the end, it's all about getting JJ straight. You
gotta get j J straight.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Over these last five games, Interesting Texas came in. This
is from Scott and d Luth. The Bears won a
Super Bowl eighty five. They have zero clue how Vikings
fans feel. Well, I mean, if you want to take
the long review. That's true. I mean the Bears post
eighty five obviously have not been particularly distinguished. Vikings have

(43:50):
been more relevant. But he's got a point. They did
win the Super Bowl, and guards these vikings haven't been
there in a long long time.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
That is forty years ago.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
That's more than a generation ago, so a lot of
people aren't around who were able to experience that. That
was my sophomore year in college. I remember having the
Super Bowl party UH at my apartment in the Kansus
at the University of Illinois. Champagne and I remember a
food fight broke out in the living room during the
third quarter because the Bears were blowing out the Patriots.
No one was paying attention to the game. Some guys

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said some goofy to one of my female friends. She
hit him over the bag and the head with a
bag of popcorn. It exploded and then it was on
UH sack thrown up against the walls, stuff being tossed,
cushions being used for protection, and UH I had to
clean up the disaster zone afterwards. But I was happy

(44:44):
because we had won the Super Bowl. Yeah, so I
do remember that, and that's right. I also have been
where the Vicers have been. Because six the Bears went
to the Super Bowl and lost to Tony Doungeye Peyton Manning.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
And I was at Alleries that night Rinds halftime show,
and I've never even gotten that as a Vikings fan
that night.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
Oh that's true, that's true.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
You mean a shrink wrap guy, big al the whole bit.
We had a hell of a time and I just
left being sad that I may never experience just that.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
And they scored the first seven of the game. Yeah,
they ran the opening kickback. The place was electric.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say you were there for
one of the loudest moments in the history Alleries when
Devon has to return that kick and everybody exploded and
the waitresses were running around with their hands over their
ears because it was too loud for him. And I
was messing up shrink rerap guys normally perfect hair.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
Hair. It was.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
It went down the hill after day if you remember
that game to actually Manning threw an interception on their
next possession and the Bears had the ball up seven
to nothing in that game and before everything went six
and seventh and then it.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Went pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Yeah yeah, Now, you're covering Saint Paul Saint's baseball, and
my neck hurt this morning just because I slept wrong.
This is this is where our lives, all the way
from here to that nineteen twenty years later.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Yeah, point crazy. How things change, man. You have to
you have to enjoy them, the great moments when you're
in the right.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Do me a favor when you go back into the pavilion,
say hi to mister.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
Maturi for me, and uh, if I see him, I
will right now.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Phil Weston, the Saint Thomas Athletic directors like standing right
behind us where we're sitting at. He's in the middle
all this noise, on all this racket as well. Dave
Thorson's here.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
I guess his daughters are going to go play volleyball
for St. Thomas. Dave Thorson, the Gopher basketball assistant coaches
in the in the audience as well.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
World the Saint Thomas rules everything. We know that the
whole world revolves around Saint Thomas and their alums and
their power brokers and their influence peddlers, the whole bit
I I I love sooner later.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Has anyone donated?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Is anyone ever donated seventy five million in the Gopher
Athletic department.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
That's a good question, that's a very good point. You're right.
Why can't we find our guys to do it? That's
the question, because we got people with to go, right,
Although Saint Thomas play more money, right, Yeah, Well, special
and family has been and outstanding for generous penny generous,
very generous. How many things they've named after them, like
the whole campus and Mike. They consider renaming the university

(47:10):
itself Saint Thomas if they continue to they probably could,
probably could could probably has any any university ever been
renamed after a series of contributions.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
It became so extraordinary that they said, let's just stop.
We're gonna rename the university after what was Oral Roberts named.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
After at the beginning.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
It's funny, that's what I was.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
That was one of Johns Hopkins who was always named that.
I think I know it was.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
I'm just trying to think of actual names. Johns Hopkins.
I don't know who is Johns Hopkins.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I don't even who that is.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Brigham Young found found Brigham Young University? Was it something
else before he.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Got I think he founded it. I think that's right,
that's very true. All Right, we gotta go, Thank you
have fun, Thanks thanks for having me. All right, Lavelle
e Neil the third, We got a half hour to go.
And you know, story that has escaped our attention this
week from the a section that is regional in nature,

(48:09):
I think is worth a minute or two. It's an
extraordinary story that started in tragedy fire related and now
we have I guess a significant update in that story
and some very sobering developments. We'll try to get to
that and who knows what else as we wrap up
the program in the next thirty perhaps a couple final

(48:47):
thoughts about the Vikings weekend hosting the Washington Commanders. But
before we do that, I assume guards that you saw
the update in the Lutsen Resort in case, and I
was about to call it stunning, but the feeling I'm
getting now based on what I'm reading, is that it

(49:09):
to a lot of people, especially in or around that area,
it's not stunning at all. That it was almost an
expected result. Arson Charlie charges filed this week against the
owner of Lutsen Resort, and in fact, I'm looking at

(49:30):
a quote this is from the Start one of the
Start Commune stories out of Duluth. What I in thousands
of other people already knew was confirmed. According to Alex
hilter Brand, a former employee of the resort, we just knew.
Bryce Campbell in a jail near Detroit on Friday, awaiting
extradition to Minnesota facing three counts of arson and one

(49:54):
kind of insurance fraud related to the Febs six, twenty
twenty four fire that took three days to extinguish. The
State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension saying yesterday that Campbell quote
knowingly caused the fire to fraudulently, fraudulently collect and insurance payout.

(50:15):
The resort bills itself as the state's oldest in operation
for almost one hundred and forty years. In fact, the
lodge that burned was built in nineteen fifty two, after
fire destroyed two previous iterations as well. Still unclear how

(50:37):
the fire started, the State Fire Marshal said charges alleged
accelerants were involved in the Campbell had researched accelerants online.
He is a I think Bryce Campbell is a Canadian
citizen forty one years old, and he bought the resort
in twenty eighteen for six point seven million dollars. He

(51:03):
also owned number of other spots. Copper River inn in
Ontario has since sold that property as well. Now at
the time, there were a lot of very strong denial
quotes from Campbell. Right after the fire. He had just

(51:25):
invested apparently millions of dollars in improvements to the lodge,
so he wrote, So you don't bleeping torture place and
burn up five million dollars of your money. Let's use
some common sense here people. The resort general manager, Edward Venegas,
who watched the historic building burn, said he isn't sure

(51:47):
Campbell started the fire. Campbell had himself hired a private
forensic fire investigator, he said, and while authorities are citing
opportunity and motive, he said, they haven't found proof. And
he put it out in consistencies in the complaint. So
you know, everybody's innocent until proven guilty. I assume Vanagus
bought the potential accelerate switz Mars sited in court papers

(52:08):
for their fondue dinners, he said, adding that a huge
box of it was in his office and could have
fallen near the boilers as floors caved during the fire.
The problem again, among the problems with that is that
I believe the authorities say they have all these searches
that were done about how do you how does how
does start start your start a fire? Correct? Yeah, which

(52:29):
wouldn't seem to mesh with what resort general manager Guy
is saying in this particular piece. In addition, the resort's
insurance policy was increased, but he says it's because of
extensive renovations at the lodge, adding that third floor of rooms.
Joe Frederick's, a Cook County based journalist who has met

(52:52):
with Campbell and exchanged messages for months, described as a
described him as an imposing figure at about six yore
two fifty who constantly drinks diet soda with me. He
was pretty mild mannered and calm, and would kind of
present himself as in a loof clumsy entrepreneur with an
innocence I wouldn't hurt a fly kind of thing. On

(53:13):
end quote. He's also known as a tough person to
work with. The reporter added, now, I also thought I'd
read somewhere else that he had some significant financial issues
involving a debt elsewhere I from not mistake and that
was part of the trail that was followed here regarding
what might have been his impetus to do what he

(53:34):
is accused of doing.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
But obviously, as I said, he will have his day
in court. He also owned the Superior Shores resort just
outside of Two Harbors. Okay, if you're going on your
way to Loots and Rich right there on the right
on sixty one, And yeah, the money was not He
was having significant money problems, you know, like business accounts
that have been basically down to nothing or below zero,

(53:58):
not able to make payroll like things like that. I
think that was in the same Star Trip story that
you're reading from, maybe a little bit further down.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Yeah, it checks all the boxes for all of that stuff.
It checks all the boxes for the criminal complaint suggests
a debt of more than fourteen mil totally, and that's
obviously a very very large debt. So I'll be curious
to see how this goes if he's going to put
Based on what I'm reading, it sounds like he might

(54:26):
plead not guilty. We'll have to see court schedule and
be determined after he's back in the state. And I
think he either turned himself in or was arrested without incident.
Wherever he was what did I say, was it Detroit? No,
somewhere in Michigan. Let's see where he's located.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, he's in a jail near Detroit at least as
of earlier today. That fire took place Feb Six of
twenty twenty four. And it's one of those places, right
for a lot of people, Very historic for sure, great
memories for lots of folks. And it was a massive

(55:04):
conflagration at the time, right as we said, I think
it took three days to be to be put out.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Well, think about a place that could have burned down
twice previous to nineteen fifty two, like and still be
considered historic. Like I'm not saying that sense, right, but
that's how long there'd been a lodge in this spot, right,
forever and ever and ever and now the oldest one
for the newest one was nineteen fifties, and he had

(55:33):
done some renovations on it and all of those things.
Just think about all the memories and families and just
having that be there forever and ever and ever, and
then having this happen. There were also I know I
read somewhere in here's some quotes between he and and
his husband, I believe talking about burn it down. Weren't

(55:53):
there quotes to that effect?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Did I miss that?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Did I did?

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I don't think I'm making that up. I didn't check it.
There was another story that I read, or at least
there were some indication of conversations that led one to
believe that there might have been a plan here. There
might have been something planned here, an orchestrated attempt. I'll
try to find it here before the program is wrapped up.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
I got a couple of good odes to Steve, the
legendary guitars Steve Cropper, who we oded earlier in the
show as well, and maybe even a couple final thoughts
on Vikings hosting the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
All that is coming up next.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
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Speaker 2 (56:39):
It's the Bumper to Bumper show rap.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I'm looking at one of the stories regarding the Lutsen fire,
and there were apparently a codinged to authorities. A series
of Facebook messages between Campbell and his husband in which
they discussed the financial difficulty the resort and write burn
it about the resort, and a message about the resort.

(57:05):
In a message after the fire, Campbell referred to saying
burn it as a joke as well. So there's a
lot on this story that is yet to come. But
it's a pretty Again. I don't know if it's astonishing
the end, given that apparently for a lot of people,
they felt all along that it was likely that that's
what took place here, which is not the same thing

(57:26):
as someone being charged. So that's where we're at the
story now. Danny. You give the Hoosiers a fighting chance.
Your Hoosiers are fighting chance tomorrow versus Ohio State. I do.
I don't know if I'm ready to pick them. Maybe
I'm still too much in that motive of their Ohio State.
We're Indiana. It's been a great story and they're legit.

(57:48):
But that's still maybe the best team in football, the
really good defense. But I do think I do expect
it to be I'll be surprised if it's not a
close game. Indiana's in that mode still a year after
the art tissue from their finish where they you know
they got they got pretty much manhandled in the two
great opponents they played Ohio State and Notre Dame that

(58:09):
they needed needed to be a ball game. The last
thing they need, obviously is to go there and to
lose by twenty eight points something like that. But I
do think they have a chance in the game. Paul
from Fridley caught your ode to guitar legend Steve Cropper.
Had the pleasure of meeting him in the Cities in
the late nineties and getting his autographed on my autograph
on my guitar strap. Who's here as part of an
all star band to play for a large gathering of

(58:30):
Northwest Airlines now Delta employees who were honored for their
twenty five plus years of employment. I supported the event
as a company intern, so yeah, it sounds like it
sounds like quite an event.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Corporate events is an intern where all was fun. They
were actually were they not just because everything seemed possible.
That's very free drinks and food boss is acting like that.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
He also I mentioned this earlier on the dock of
the Bay. The Sitting on the Bay a terrific otis
Redding song in which I think Cropper actually wrote a
decent amount of it and played on it as well,
is another example of a song where you might not
know he was on it. Might not have been aware

(59:16):
of that, but you're sure as hell if you're old
enough at least aware of the of the brilliance of
that particular tune and the instrument work on it as well.
So a gone but not forgotten, I don't, I think.
And it sounds like he had a bad fall, some
kind of incident that because allegedly he was. Somebody was

(59:41):
quoted as saying any or he's about to do some
more work, We're gonna get him back in the studio, whatever.
So I don't know if there was some kind of
complication from the fall or something else more sudden that
we don't know. He was in his eighties, I want
to say, eighty four might have been even older than that.
You took the Vikings to win. I did as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I got embarrassed last week picking them to at least
cover and that wasn't even close. That was myself for that,
selling you on Brozemer a little bit too hard. It
might be that that, well, the national media was on.
We talked about that on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Florio was basically saying, well, this might be the guy,
and maybe he will be Sunday, but allegedly it's not
as insane to pick them at home against a three
and nineteam, right, even though they're getting their quarterback back,
and a year ago they were a damn good club.

(01:00:34):
So it is, if not now when on a number
of fronts, not the least of which is we talked
about much earlier in the show washing, our next three
opponents are three of the five worst statistically speaking defensive
teams in all of football. And you gotta believe that
if you don't get some progress from JJ through these
three games, maybe there is even greater concern at TCO

(01:00:57):
Performance Center among the folks who swear by him and
believe that it's just a matter of time before he
becomes one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of
Minnesota Vikings football.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
That's not flexed, right, that's a noon game. Yeah, it's noonday.
We have a national game sitting night football against the
Cowboys next week December fourteenth, that's there, right, Yeah, that
could get ugly. Yeah, and then I forgot about Netflix
on Christmas against the Lions. Gustling reminded me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Of us of that one. Oh is that true? I
forgot that too. Yep, Thursday, December twenty fifth, that sayesn't
that's that's so sad and none of this is fun.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
At this point you're like, oh, really a big deal.
I don't want to do I have to watch it?
You know this is we really don't. We don't have
a show for a few days after. It's stuff to
you're supposed to be looking forward to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
But you don't have a Vikings regular guest anymore. He
got traded. Do you see the Levi Drake Rodriguez should
have brought it up on the show with you when
he's out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
He's out. Yeah, isn't it a neck injury with him? Yeah?
Sort of like yours? Maybe it's like mine. Yeah, yeah,
pain he comes he's on our show for the first
time because Mattel's was afraid to because everybody else who
comes on the show ends up getting cut or not
returning to the club or getting fired, and so the
substitute comes on and now he's not available to play. Yeah,

(01:02:15):
it's a little bit scary. We're not going to get
any regulars on any longer. I don't think, And yes,
I know some of you out there want us to
get JJ McCarthy on as a regular. We're not going
to do that. Well aware that's what you're saying. I
know what you're saying there. We've played that game before.
We've been there before. Larry mudother guy had a really
good chief shot at you and I can't find it.

(01:02:35):
Dang it, where was it? There'll be another one next week,
Larry mondelo guy. How much so here it is? I
think if you replaced Fairfield with Normandale, all the schools
in the Vollyball Regional at the U are guards. The
Alma maters pretty close. Not bad, happen pretty close. Great
weekend sermons, one hour edition will begin at nine o'clock.
We'll talk to you Sunday morning. Thank you for the memories,

(01:02:58):
thank you for the great time. I love you, Dad,
whenever you need me.