May 12, 2026 • 47 mins
Dan is joined by Trent Tucker with his thoughts on the Wolves/Spurs series, Wemby reaction, and how the Wolves can win Game 5 to put themselves in a good spot moving forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Game number five Western Conference Semifinals tonight on the Fan
Wolves in San Antonio, Davy to take on the Spurs.
All of our coverage will begin at six point thirty
as soon as this show is done. Well, Frankly, our
coverage is continuing right now. Double T kind of enough
to join us at the very last minute. Trent Tucker
via the Connecticot Water Systems hotline, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
To the program.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I must tell you that we played some sound earlier
from Draymond Green.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You may have heard some of it.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Draymond basically is saying, if the Wolves are going to
exhibit any measure of pride, somebody is going to have
to return the favor on Wemby and elbow him right
in the throat as well. I'm here to ask you,
as a former pro, whether that's the best way to
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win the battle or to maybe the win the war tonight,
Double T.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
What do you think now?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I mean, you know you don't want to put your
stuff in that situation. You just want to go out
and win. You played this team. Now, you've had four
games against them and it's two to two, and hopefully
as you go into game find you know the coaching
staff have figured something out on how to beat this team.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So what is the formula tonight? You've watched these games,
you know this is a big one. Game number five
usually is often the game five winner wins the damn thing.
What when you watch the Wolves in this series, what
do you believe? Because you know obviously Wemby's going to
be back. You know the Spurs are at home. You
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know that they destroyed the Wolves in the in game two.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Watch the formula?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
What's the approach the Wolves need to take tonight to
give themselves a chance for the upset?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, you know, for one, anytime you go into a
game five, you want to get up to a good stuff,
especially on the road. And I've always said that the
home team, it's more pressure on them because it's almost
like their first Game seven. You know, they know that
if they lose this game, they're facing elimination and they're
going to feel the pressure. If the wolvesn't come out
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and get up to a good start, it's almost a
free game for them. The worst thing is going to
happen for the Wolf, But they're going to play Game
six back on their home floor, and the best thing
they can happen for them they can have a chance
to come home and close out game number six. For one,
you have to take care of the basketball, you know,
don't turn the ball over and force Antonio to make
shots without fouling them. You know it's going to be
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a Rockets crowd. Don't get up, don't get caught up
in the emotion, and just have you know, a game
plan that you can employ when Wenby is on the
floor or when he's off the floor. I would like
to see them use nae read a little bit more
when he's on the floor. When they run the pick
and roll with Anthony Elpers, you know he's a pick
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and pop guy, and that's going to pool Wemby away.
Maybe if he's at the center position away from the basket,
and that could create some driving lanes and give guys
who are good off your drill board chance to get
to the basket and do some damage there. And then
when Wemby's off the floor, see if you can move
your offense down a little bit further. Don't start at
twenty eight feet, maybe start at twenty feet from now,
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Like guys like Julius Randa and Jay McDaniel and Nis
are in a better position to playoff one or two bouces.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Let's talk more also about officiating, because the assumption is
that there's often in a series like this, an over correction.
You have the Spurs coach after the game basically saying
they've been pounding on him and sooner or later he
was going to get frustrated by it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
They've been very physical with him.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So often we see occasions when refs, even though they're
not supposed to pay attention to this stuff, then in
a game played there end up being a little bit
more protective of said player. You've seen these adjustments, You've
seen these swings happen within games. So what's the defensive
approach the Wolves take against Wemby? Because it is it
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has been physical. Do they just have to keep sort
of testing the refs and saying we're going to crowd him,
we are going to get physical with him. If we
back away from that, we're surrendering too easily. How big
will the officiating be tonight in terms of how tight
it is, how loose it might be.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well, officiating is always crucial. Bus You have to come
out and play your game and then you make your
adjustments from there based on how the officials are called
any game and the Wolves can't back off. They know
they have to be aggressed that they have to take
a space away. They have to make it hard for him,
you know, to find space to treat Sat. And it's
the big boys league now, so you can make those
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adjustments as the game goes along based on how the
assistants are calling the game right then the start.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Let me give you some numbers on Julius Randall in
this series thus far, he is averaging. He's shooting thirty
seven percent from the floor averaging. He's only making five
shots a game at this point. He has turned the
ball over in four games eighteen times double tee. He's
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only got in those four games five seven assists. That's
not a very good ratio, even though sometimes they do
ask him to kind of be a point forward. Can
they winn? Can the Wolves in all seriousness have much
of a chance to win this series if Anthony Edwards
doesn't get better production from at least one guy.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I would start with Julius. I guess you can include
a couple other people.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
What have you seen in Julius and how do they
unlock them?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I think they have to use him differently in terms
of how they locate him on the floor and he
on your brings those small defenders, and then when he's
at you know, twenty five to twenty six feet, when
he catches the ball, you know it's going to be
tough for him to maneuver around or smaller and quick defenders,
so they force him into bad spots where he has
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to over dribble. Then that that we side. Then the
old son comes from the blind side, and that leads
to him turning the ball over. And when he does that,
then he's not going to get back on defense, and
that's going to create runouts for San Antonio, either to
get to the basket for easy layups or find their
transition three points shot. So I would like to see
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Chris Finch readjusts where he located him and when he
when he starts his offense, put him down a little
bit closer beloaded free throw line, and now he has
the ability to play off one or two bounces and
when he has to build the ball more than twice,
you know, if a disaster waits to happen against those
smaller defense.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Do you want to see more or less of Mike
Conley the rest of the series. Where does he fit
in in your mind?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I would like to see more Mike Conley. I know
you ask and a lot of the summer and TJ.
Santa to play the point guard position, and you know
they're doing a heck of a job because these guys
are out of position and you're asking them in order
to run the team at this time of the year,
you know, at the Western Conference and finds against the
San Antonio Spurs. So you have to give credit for
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them to doing the best that they can do. But
I think in certain spots, you know you're going to
need that steady hand and that betan leadership of Mike
Connie Junior. So I would like to see him on
the floor in critical moments.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Anthony Edwards, I want to talk to you some more.
We've talked about him obviously a lot over the years,
but I have in the am in the group that's
very impressed with what he has been able to do. First,
to get back out as quickly as he has. It
feels kind of old school to me, Double T. It
feels like the kind of a coach and the kind
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of player who could play even among the old timers
from your generation and that he would be respected for
the fact that he's just willed himself and willed his
body to not only get back out there. But let's
face it, as the games have gone on, series has
gone on to play more minutes and to be extremely effective.
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They don't win obviously, Game four without his fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
What do you see on.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Anthony Well, I think he has grown mentally. You know,
when you and when your best player has been in
these situations enough, they understand how to pick their spots
and when to go off offensively, but also they trust
their teammates and critical moments when he was so exhausted
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at the end of Game four, wonder when they young
was not in the game, he relied on his teammates
to carry him the rest of their way. I mean
he drew the double teams, then take a bad shot,
enforced the situation that can to a turnover. He made
sure his team kept that possession and that's what Julius
Randall and and nas Reed and Rudy Gobert was able
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to get a basket here or there to make a difference.
And he has rows so much and that's a nice
thing to see because they're great players. As they move
on throughout years in the NBA, they learned how to
master their game from a mental standpoint as well.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
To me, the other big change in his game is
it used to be kind of one or the other,
the three or you know, driving to the basket. But
even the driving, I think he's gotten smarter, working the
angles better. And I think he's developed much more of
a mid range, which, as you know, even though it's
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a three point game, it still counts. If you hit
a high percentage of two pointers in the mid range,
that's okay too. I like the I think there's more variety.
He's learning that with all the attention he gets, you know,
his best chance for success is to get easier shots.
And sometimes that's not the spectacular, that's just making it,
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using your footwork and getting to that little bit of
open space for a nice turnaround even mid range.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Shot, well, you know, I think you hit then element
head when you say, you know, can the Wolves use
Mike Countye Jr. A little bit more? And until your
point that you're just making, they need to have him
on the floor so that you can take Anthony was
off the ball some. So now the double teams can't
come as quickly you can put him down on the
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baseline where he can use his big guys to set
some screens for him, where he can get to the
mid range game and get them easier sets. So that's
why Mike County Jr. Could be valuable for the Wolves
in the game like game number.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Five, the Wemby disqualification where he gets thrown out for
a flagrant too. I'm assuming you're watching the thing live.
What were your initial thoughts as you're watching it?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Uh, the officials got it right, Yeah, for sure. I
mean they had, you know, they had to throw him
out of the game. I mean, that was a that
was a violent hit and if it's you know, anywhere
much closer to his throat, I mean he could have
done some serious damage, you know to NAIs read. Luckily
that he didn't land in a bad spot, But they
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made the right call at that time.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Should he have received further punishment, either a suspension or
at least a fine.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Where were you on that?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah? If you know, if he was a role player,
he would be tossed off as the rest of the series,
you know, but I'm not surprised that they didn't suspend
him further. Is because you know, he means so much
of the league and everybody wants to tune in to
see him play. But they did get a righting game
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and before you know by by talking to him out
of the game.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I mean, it fit every bit of the every definition
of a flagrant too, I think was covered there. Do
you do you get any sense out of a player
not really known for that it's not really been in
much of his resume, even though he's you know, he's
not been around that long. Is that indicative of perhaps
the wolves might be getting to him mentally. Is that
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something that can be used again to try to get
in his head or is that oversimplifying the story?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I mean you're going to use every angle and every
ass that you can that you can get to see
how you can get him lost his game, and the
being physical is one way to get him frustrated. You
have to continue to play that way, and if the
officials are going to allow you to use your hands
and use your body a little bit more, that's what
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you have to do at this time of the year,
because we all know how good he is when he
can get to his spots to find an open space.
You know, he's deadly, and he's a guy that can
do a whole lot of damage on the offense, but
man as well as defensive man. But for the Wolves
to have a chance to slow him down, they know
they have to a physical game against him.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Darren Fox and Dylan Harper are both listed today. In
the case of Harper, this came up today as questionable
a Fox with right ankle soreness. Harper, who was excellent
in in game three, I think he scored twenty four
seven to ten from the floor left knee soreness. If
both of those guys are out, how much does that
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change the calculus of this game?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Oh hope for huge changed, because now you know the
Spurs you're going to have to dig deep into the
advance to see who can replace those guys. And that's
a huge favor right there for the Wolves. If those
guys cannot play.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Let me ask a Jayden question.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't know if we talked about this last time
we got He obviously had the terrific offensive game in
probably the game of his life offensively in Game six
against Denver. Do you see enough in him in his
growth offensively that if we're looking to next year next
the team next season, and if you believe in such
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a thing as a pecking order, that it might be
time to elevate him Jayden to the number two option
behind Anthony, and you drop Julius to number three.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Does that make any sense to you or is that necessary?
It does?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
It makes sense, But I think if you're looking to
elevate him to number two, and I know we're in
the middle of the Western Conference semifinals and you don't
want to talk about trades, yeah, at this stace, but
you may have to move someone to get a point guard.
I think this team to really take the ultimate step,
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and not to say they can't get there this year,
but to stay in this window for I make the
next three or four or five years, they're going to
have to get a quality point guard. And if they
can get a quality point guard, that's going to allow
Anthony atwards now, you know, to be all football a
little bit more, where he can have more freedom and
more womb, where he doesn't have to face the double
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team and every single time down to find the space
that he needs on the offense a man to be
more effective.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, that makes that.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I couldn't agree more with that. You and I have
talked about that before. I think he's handled it about
as well as you could out of necessity at times
this year, and I think I think they want to
bring to Sumu back what he's ready to be. Probably
in a perfect world you still have him coming off
the bench adding to your bench. But that there's gonna
be a lot of interesting questions and some of it
might depend on how far they go this season. But
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I don't think Tim Conley is shy about, you know,
falling in love with his roster. If he thinks, all right,
we've maybe gone about as far as we can with
this group, I'm gonna have to make a little bit
of a change because we all know, you know, Mike
Conley can't play forever. He's in a different role at
this point. I think even he acknowledges that. And you know,
there is no air apparent really at that spot.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I mean, you know, as you look at the great
ones as they as they moved on throughout their careers,
once they got past year seven, and I'm talking about
Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordans, they were taking off the ball.
You know, they weren't asked you know, to beat you know,
the Triple team time and time again through an eighty
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two game schedule because they just couldn't do it anymore.
It was too much wear and tearing their bodies. Once
they got to the playoffs, once you were able to
move them off the ball and find that reliable ball handler,
now they were able, you know, to find him a
space and to be more efficient where they still could
be the best players in the game.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You know, you're as much of a hockey guy now
these days as you are a basketball guy. How disappointed
were you in your Minnesota Wild club a great opportunity
to even their series at home at two and two
and could not get it done against the very talented
colorad Avalanche. Were you disappointed?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You know you're you know you're disappointing the Laws, but
they're playing against you know, two of the all time
great for the history of the game, and Nathan McKinnon
and kill McCarry, and I mean it was a heck
of a game and all of a sudden, you know,
etern up here there or good play by Colorado put
them in a situation where they could take the three
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to two lead, and the wow, did everything they could
when you know, when they are poor to go and
they had six on five. But you know, they're playing
against a very very good team and we all knew
there was going to be very hard to be the
Colorado Avalanche. So they cillinly have a chance now to
go back to Denver see if they can still gain
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five and bring game number six back. But I'm not
too disappointed in that efforts because they're playing against two
of the all time greats.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You know, there's been a lot of talk today regarding
Wemby nationally of well, you know, maybe the Spurs have
to consider bringing in or having or establishing one of
those old time, old school style enforcers. You know, because
once upon a time in your league there were guys
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who that was their job. I mean that basically is
all right, you're if you mess with our best player, uh,
we're gonna do something about it. And hockey course has
been going on forever. I don't think it's as prevalent
in the NBA as it once was.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Is it? Does it? Does it serve a purpose? Does
Wemby need an enforcer? Does?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Does you know is there still a place for that
style or is that pretty hard?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
The way the game is played today.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I think it's hard, you know, based on how the
game is played today, because you know now that that
enforcer who primarily is is a fore man. Now he's
student three point shots. He has to be a skill guy.
He just can't be a guy that's going to rough
people up. I would like to see san Antonio as
as they moved throughout his career. As we was talking
about how you really relocate someone like you years random
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also do the same thing for Weinbama. You put him
closer to the basket, then it's seven five. Yeah, I mean,
there's nobody can stop Georgia bar for years was all
the time leader to score the history of the game
with one shot. And if you put Wenby down low
more times than not, I mean, you know, he could average.
He could easily average forty points a game just because
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of his hype and his heel and his talent. So
I think as they move along san Antonio, we'll figure
out how to use him differently where he can be
even more effective as as his career goes along.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You know, throughout this series, when we've talked about the Spurs,
I have almost every time what I say, I don't
say the San Antonio Spurs. I say the San Antonio Spurs, Davy.
And you're the reason for that. I don't know if
you know the background on this thing. In fact, I
have to explain it all the time. He is, why
do you always say san Antonio David? I said, well,
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I remember when the Spurs, you know, under Popovich, had
had the dynasty gone and and double t you beyond
with Cinnecon and they'd be predicting, predicting games and series
and you get to whatever whoever san Antonio was playing,
and you would kind of take a deep breath, hesitate
a bit.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And say san Antonio Davy. And it sucked with me.
So every time we can't.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I can't just say the city san Antonio. I always
gotta say san Antonio Davy. Can you give us a
san Antonio Davy today?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Antonio your Davy? And and the reason why it came,
you know, came to a natural for me because you know,
Coach Park and I are are really good friends, and
you know, I played twenty five games for the San
Antonio Spurs before I went to Chicago, and he and
I develop a great relationship during the time that I
was there. And we have always remained you know, good
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friends throughout these years, and he has been one of
my all time favorites, you know, to be around and
to have a chance to play for it. So when
I talked about where a lot of my thinking and
not comes from the game, you know, he's a part
of those four Hall of Fame coaches that I had
a chance to play for.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Got what is it? What that's remarkable? Is it not?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I know, you consider yourself very lucky. It's not just
lucky's skill. You made your way in this league. You
earned everything that you got. But to have that those
connections double team, that's got to mean everything to you.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I'm you know, I'm like I say, I'm very fortunate,
I'm very lucky. I had a chance to play, you
know for Huet Brown. You know, we didn't have the
great relationship when I got there, you know, but I
had to remove my personal feelings away on how we
looked at each other as people, and so did I accept,
you know, the great teaching of basketball that he brought
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to the table. And I had Rick Patino and and
you know I talked about Greg Popovich and then I
get the zen massive at the end of my career
to sit down and have conversations with Phil Jackson and
and be all before that, you know, Jim Detcher was
a wonderful coach to be around. And when you talk
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about hockey, I didn't know much about hockey back in
the early eighties or the late seventies, and I spent
a great deal of time about her books when he
was coaching the University of Minnesota, and you know, he
and I develop a good relationship. So the philosophy of
what it you know, what it takes to win and
gets yourself prepared mented on the daily basis. I had
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some very good guys to listen to, so that has
kind of, you know, shaped my way of thinking on
how I see the game. And then I had the
great fortunes at the end of my career to play
with someone like Michael Jordan. So in terms of my
basketball life, I have been truly blessed and I am
very grateful for all the things that basketball has brought
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to me.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
It's a wonderful life, double t that's what you're saying.
That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And I didn't realize you had you establish any kind.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Of relationship with Herbie.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I mean so many of the people you've named, I
consider such originals, right, they're they're they're all really good
at what they did, but they're all different. And you
look at you talk about him, you talk about a
popp you talk about Phil Jackson, Herbie Brooks, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Ain't nobody like him?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
No, I mean, you know, the great thing about the
Herb Brooks and in the relationship I had with him.
You know, when I got drafted to the New York Knicks.
You know, he was coaching the New York Rangers. Oh yeah,
so he and I not only you know, uh, we
were in Minnesota together, but also we were in New
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York together, and you know, just to have a chance
to sit around and talk to him. Here's a guy
that was in a total different sport that I knew
nothing about. At that stage. I knew, you know, about
the eighty Olympics team and the miracle Alliancense and all
those things, and how how big a part he played
in the success of those young men. And but just
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to hear his philosophy and how he approached things, and
to take this and pieces from what I could get
from him and to apply to what I was doing
on the basketball quick was tremendous to have, you know,
just to have those opportunities to sit down and talk
to somebody like her and Brook tremendous.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, great to catch up as always, my friend. Thanks
for the basketball analysis and thank you for the history
lesson too. It's always good to get into that, into
that stuff because that stuff never gets old, right, it
never goes away.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, it never ends. It never goes away.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And thanks for having me Dan one hundred percent. We'll
be in touch. Thanks double team everybody.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Trent Tucker, excellent stuff from him, as always, Louie in
about one hour, another puckhead, Trent Tucker's out puckheat who
knew well, we kind of did know, but that developed
over a period of time. Louis at five point thirty,
how did he process game number four? And where do
the missle a while go from here? We do have
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oe to a dead guy to get to involving it's possible.
I think it's actually probable that he may be for
one session, for one guest appearance, the greatest guest in
the history of the Bumper.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
To Bumper program.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And I was reminded by a couple of alert listeners
that he has indeed passed away. We'll give you details
on who that is, and maybe you know Wax a
little bit nostalgic there as well.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
When we return. You're listening to Barrera on the fan
from the one eight hundred and now it's time for
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ode to a dead guy. Mike's got to get I guess,
uh locked in?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Do you guards he remember a longtime listener used to
call in to our show but also heavily to Commons
program called Drummer Guy. Do you remember drummer Guy? No,
of course I remember drummer So drummer Guy and I
have not heard from drummer Guy in a long time.
I hope he's well. I don't know if he still
lives here, what his situation is. Common might know, actually,
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but drummer guy out of nowhere, and he was in
a band, as I recall on this occasion. Yes, and
he says to me, hey, I think I can get
Jack Douglas.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
In studio to come into studio to hang with you.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
He's I got him to produce my band, which might
be one of the great miracles of.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
All time in of itself.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And he had to give me a little more detail
on who Jack Douglas was, and very quickly it became
clear that we're talking about an iconic record producer who
had worked with pretty much everybody.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I guess you could say from time to time.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Aerosmith, Cheap Trick, The Who, Miles Davis, the New York Dolls,
Alice Cooper, the James Gang, you know with which was
Joe Walsh's band.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And John Lennon.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And I said, and I was skeptical, so okay, yeah, okay,
let me know. And sure enough it was on a Friday,
he produces, he comes into studio, drummer guy does with
Jack Douglas. And I will tell you that for a
guest we've had on only that one time.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's the only time we had him. As I recall,
we tried other times we did.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah, we we have not had a a more fulfilling
hour of music conversation that I had occasion with with
with Jack Douglass.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
And sadly it's one of those we didn't save. I
don't it might be somewhere out there in the ether.
It's because sometimes people find stuff that I don't even
know exists.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I know I have it somewhere.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Oh you think you do, I do have something somewhere
because we played parts of it back at all we
did at a different time.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Okay, yeah, I know it's somewhere, but anyway, well, the story.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
We're bringing it up now and owning him because word
has broken that he has passed.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Away at the age of eighty years old.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Family saying that he died peacefully Monday night in I
think he was still living in the Greater New York area,
and I got to tell you, man the stories he told, specifically,
especially but not exclusively, about his time with John Lennon.
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I mean, raising my arm hairs, man, it was crazy.
He was with John Lennon the night John Lennon was murdered.
They were in the studio expecting to go back to
work the next morning. In the studio, had a good session.
He says good night to John Lennon. He gets a
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phone call later from Jack Does his wife, revealing the
news that he'd been shot, that Lennon had been shot.
He and his wife make it too. I want to
say it was Roosevelt Hospital to take up the vigil
with Yoko, and his memory of how he got to
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know Lennon, how prickly he was at first, how they
got to a much better place. Some of the eerie
nature of some of the things that he said that
Lennon told him that almost seemed to feel like he
had some kind of a precursor of death, premature death
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taking place, absolutely stunning. Now, as guards he mentioned, we
tried to get him for different reasons over the years,
and he was very reluctant to come on after that
initial stretch, where in fact he did, as I recall,
shortly after the murder of Lenin, he appeared on the
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late night show back then, the Tom Snyder Show, and
that was with Yoko's consent to sort of give a
sense of the.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Lenin working with Lenin in the.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Laboratory, so to speak, in the studios, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And it's it's sad.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It makes me sad to think that we didn't have
more time to chat with him. But I'll hold on
to the hour in this very studio that he gave
us because he gave us story after story, not just
about Lenin but about Aerosmith, about his role with some musicians.
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I think I mentioned this not that long ago, was
when they were having battling substance abuse issues. He would
be the guy to intervene and all but escort them
to get help, and that eventually he needed the help
(31:23):
and that he got it. In fact, it might have
been from Stephen Tyler. I can't remember if it was
Tyler or not, but it was a story he told
about the shoe was on the other foot and.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
They came for me.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
And then he told the most amazing story of all
that almost seems like it can't possibly be be true,
and it was about So this goes all the way
back to November nineteen sixty five. He and another musician
they are obsessed the Beatles, and the Beatles sound right.
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They can't get there in the United States. They can't
get enough of the sound. So they decide we're going
to go to Liverpool. We're going to take a trip.
And the cheapest way, as he told us, was by steamer.
And I see another interview he gave on this issue.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
People say to me.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
You're crossing the North Atlantic in late November, and I
was like, yeah, so what, I've been on the Staten
Island ferry. So it makes stops in Boston, Saint John's, Halifax, Iceland, Norway, Aberdeen.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
They keep going.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
He says basically that he and mister Leonetti was the
other musician, were the sole passengers. The rest, he describes
as a crew of pirates that were drunk most of
the time. It was a harrowing trip. So three weeks
later they arrive in Liverpool guitars amps, but they got
no return tickets, they got no visas, they got no
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work permits. So they're detained on the vessel by immigration officials.
I told my friend, I got you into this mess,
I'll get you out of it. Is the way Jack
described it. I think that's been the story of my life.
So he somehow sneaks off the ship in a disguise,
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finds a record shop buys the Beatles just released Rubber
Soul album. He says, I saw the Liverpool Echo, the
biggest newspaper in Liverpool, and thought, these English journalists like
sensational stuff. I'll tell them this story about being held
captive on a ship. So he goes to the paper
with the story. The editor is interested. They arrange media
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coverage that ultimately reached London. Embarrassed immigration officials eventually gave in.
They granted them student visas and the Echo editor put
them in a band. It was going to be the
continuing coverage of the Yanks in Liverpool. He said, it
was amazing. We saw lots of incredible bands, bought records
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and sent press back to New York and then without warning,
the now famous crazy Yanks as they were called, were handcuffed,
thrown into a car, onto a train, then a ship
bound for the United States.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But because we've been to Liverpool.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
And sent back all this stuff about what stars we were,
we got into some really good bands. So years and
years later, he's a junior engineer at the record plant
and he's talking with Lenin. They're recording. He's the producer
on the Imagine album, and apparently Lenin had wandered into
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that studio where Douglas was.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Editing tapes.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
At this point, I guess I should say he was
more of an engineer than he was a producer. So
they're just striking up a conversation at this point because
they don't know each other as well yet, and.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
As an engineer.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
At this point, he says, he tells Lenin that he'd
been to Liverpool, and Lennon's kind of, you know, his
curiosities arouse, he says, I should say. Jack says, I
was a musician. I want to know everything there was
about how the music was being made. And Lennon says, well,
how did that work out? And he said, well, it's
good as bad I got us deported, but good because
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I made a lot of noise before I did.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
At which point, as he told us in this studio.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Lennon looks at Jack Douglas and said, you're one of
the crazy Yanks. That's how they first truly bonded. Years
after that he had made that trip over there. That
was I think of all the stories he told, that
story of how they were obsessed with the Beatles but
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had no you know connection. He wasn't even working in
records at that point. How it comes full circle and
they end up working together. The crazy Yank who went
over with nothing to get to know the Beatles sound
and to be, you know, to to immerse himself in
it ends up working with a member of the Beatles.
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Too soon, I was getting a ride home every day,
talking with Lennon, hanging out. He asked my phone number
and he called one day and asked me, I want
to go to a party. To just watch my back
because I'm not sure about these people. And they became
like I said, very good friends and worked together on
several albums and were indeed working together the night that
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he passed away. So Jack Douglas certainly for this show gone,
but never forgotten to get those kinds of yarn spun
and the beauty of it, then, of course, was what
were the odds. There was no other circumstance other than
the connection being drummer guy, that he's going to produce
this guy in our studio. And even as he did,
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I didn't know what he was going to tell us.
I didn't know how in depth he was going to
be willing to get. I didn't know how much he
was going to cooperate with us. And my recollection is
we literally ran out of time because it was a Friday,
and I think we took him to the end of
the show, and I was tempted to just keep going
and extend the program because he had more stories. He
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was not going to run out of stories. But the
crazy Yanks story, man, that's I don't know how you
get a better popular music.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Story than that.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I can still hear him say it, like when you
hear Jack Yes Douglas. I can still hear him say
you're the crazy Yanks.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I can hear him say it. However, many years ago
it was the Odd Fathers was the band. I believe
that was. You're right, that was the name of the band. Yeah,
Drummer Guy was part of and he was working with
the Odd Fathers. That's why he came to town.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
It was I mean, I haven't had any you want
to talk about, you know, favors done to us or
to me for this show. In terms of guests, it's
hard to top Drummer Guy on that occasion. And then
it did get emotional, obviously when he's talking about the
eerie nature of knowing that he was the last guy
to spend time with John Lennon. He thinks it's just
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another night of work.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I'll see in the.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Morning, will continue on the album, and then he finds
out his good friend has been shot and killed.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It was a remarkable occasion for this.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Program and I from that point forward, every time I
try to reach out to him. I tried not to
bug him a lot, but it was really to be
to say how grateful we were for the time he
gave us and hoping to get more. But it was
almost like I don't want to keep going there He's
one of those guys who I think had just decided
most of the time he wanted to be private.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Other occasions he would speak up.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But I think a lot of times, especially as the
years went on, I don't know if he had any
health issues, he decided to be a lot more private
about it.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
But no one.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
We've had some great guests over the years, man that
have opened up and cut open a vein. Nobody cut
open a vein like the late great Zack Douglas did
in this very studio, and for that we will be
forever appreciative.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So the best to his family as well. Let's get
caught up, were a little bit behind. We'll be back
in just a minute. Here in the fan.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Find out who, when, and where the Vikings will play
this fall when the NFL schedule is released.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Pa Benn and Peace will break it down.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Still very much in town, and he played just played
a show locally in his band called Sons of Gloria.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Sons of Gloria drummer guy.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
And there are people asking if at some point we
could try to find a bit of that interview, and
maybe we can.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Maybe we'll look for it.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
And see if we could play it at some point
or at least maybe available make it available via a podcast.
So again, for the record, imagine on that album, Jack
Douglas was the records engineer.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And then.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
When we're talking about the big comeback album, the Double
Fantasy album, I think that was in nineteen eighty, Douglas
was a co producer of that album along with Lennon
and Yoko Ono. Apparently I'm looking at one one story
that indicates that he and Ono later went to court
over his royalties for the number one album. You know,
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there's sentiment and then there's business. That's true, you know business.
It's not show friends, it's show business, as you often say. Yeah,
that's true, and that indeed does sometimes take place. Somebody
is also claiming, and I don't remember him talking.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
About this with us.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I don't even know if I knew it that Douglas
started out as a folk musician and he worked on
our FK's senatorial campaign in nineteen sixty four as a songwriter,
which is certainly very possible. I don't remember that we
necessarily talked about that.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
According to Wikipedia, that is it is accurate. Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
We'll kind of reset the show here in a couple
of these minutes as we get to the top of
the hour. We do expect Luigi usual time to talk
Puck at five point thirty this evening, So if you
have questions for Louis, you want to get those in early.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I don't think we have We do know that this
is an early the beauty of tonight for the Walls
if they really want to make a statement, the entire
war NBA world is going to be watching.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
We're going to the game tonight and you got the
wen Bee backdrop and it's prime time. Yep.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
It's like I said, seven o'clock Central time is a
great opportunity, as daunting as the task is for all
the obvious reasons. And I don't know if we have
any updated information on the two Spurs who are listed
as today as questionable, two very good wing players de
Aaron Fox and Dylan Harper. But that's what we're going
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to be continuing to watch as we get eve ever
closer to the tip off. Now, given it's already five
when they call it game time decision, does that mean
that they don't really have to announce anything literally until
game time. I don't know what the protocol is on
that usually text Johnny to find out.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
Usually it's kind of a mix sometimes because what time
do they play seven? So the coaches are about to
meet the media again now in the next night for
some minutes or so, sometimes it comes up. Then other
times it's he's out there right now, we're gonna go,
We're gonna see, We're gonna see. So it could be
literally at the game, it could be in the media
(42:28):
availability in the next hour.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Do you think it would be.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
A little too obvious that Finchy was reacting to the
Draymond Green suggestion if Ingles starts, Do you think that
would be a little too obvious of or bring him
in to be the enforcer to cheap shot get wemby
going and if he gets thrown out of the game,
(42:54):
Ingles is more than happy, given how little he plays
to do that for the team. That would be a
little I think. I think it's got to be a
little more subtle than that. Yeah, I agree. Also, I
don't know if Ingles is the record. I don't know
if Ingles is quick enough to get there at this point,
that's a great I feel like, yeah, is he going
to get.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
There when he's the kid.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I don't want to traumatize the kid though, our backup center.
Speaker 5 (43:16):
And he's already traumatized because Joker messed with him on
that jump ball. That's true in the first series where
he gave him the game at the end for the
turnover and then they had to do a jumpall. So
he's already trying to figure out what city he's in.
And I'm sure he looks up to Wemby.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
That's the thing. Rudy has molded Wemby.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
Yeah, right, yes, Baron Jay, I'm sure looks up to
Rudy for sure, but also Wemby. Right, he's probably been
reading the press clippings and following him on Instagram for
the last five years, So I don't know if he
even has it in his heart to do that.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, he might be right.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Well, I in all seriousness, I think you saw you heard.
If you're listening, double t agrees, you can't go the
day day about or route. I should say that's too.
You got to be more subtle than that.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
And you gotta war. The war is the game.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
The war is winning the game to give yourself the
best chance to win this series, and so you you
can worry later about the alleged pride issues that somebody's
got to, you know, fire.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Back at him.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
There are here's the here's I think part of the
problem in twenty twenty six players are not accustomed.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
To that style of play.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
They I don't know if it's in their DNA to
do effectively what a couple of generations ago players did do,
in fact, because I think they knew how to do
it with a little art attached to it right where
it wasn't so obvious. But yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
that that was that was intentional. That's that's a message
that we're sending to you. I don't think these.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Plays the protocol has changed so much.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
If I think it's more likely to be awkward and
off put if it involves players who really don't know
how to do that, well, how do I subtly, subtly
send them the kind of message that data is talking about.
I don't know if that's even possible anymore. But you
can't lose the thread, and the thread is trying to
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actually upset what everybody in the league expects and wants. No,
this is the future, this is the guy they have
to advance. Nobody has a chance to beat Oklahoma City.
But if anybody does a San Antonio Davey to me,
that's the war you want to win. Okay, we don't
care what we're suppos what the Spurs are supposed to do,
what we're supposed to do. At this point, we'll worry
(45:38):
about the the intramural nonsense later. Let's exact our form
of revenge for that cheap shot by a gifted young player.
Let's beat him against all odds. Let's beat him ten
and a half point underdogs.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
Tonight, Mike Conley talked yesterday, I think about how you've
been proud of not Jaden and other guys because they
haven't gotten caught up in the game to game stuff
that happens, and they've just moved on and not been
in their heads as much.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
That's a sign of maturity, it is. It's a sign
of maturity.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
This is to me, the sign of maturity to say, sure,
we could go clock Wendy and we could even the score,
or we could just go win pivotal Game five and
come back and send them home Friday night at Target Center,
whereas Anthony Edwards says, people will be stumbling all over themselves.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Ready to go.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Is it possible that Randal should be the player, and
the Wolves' chances, even if he gets thrown out, might
actually be enhanced if he's not available tonight.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Well, I mean you did it earlier. I know you're right.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
You're following my lead there. Well, and Randall was the
one that was going for Jokic big time.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, that's just in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
I still think Jokic wanted the reaction he got to
try to get a couple of guys talk like. I
still think he was playing chess with that whole thing.
And I thought Jayden did a good job when Nas
got elbowed him just holding wem beyond old Jayden I
think would have thrown him into Charlie Swanson lexus of
why is that a seats or hit the stanchion. Yeah,
I feel like he would have done something much more
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than just kind of hold him like he did. So, Yeah,
we'll see. But Randall, Mi, Randall was coming hot at
Jokic when that whole thing went down. So let's see
how it goes all right. Top five, we'll give you
the latest that we know about the San Antonio Spurs,
Davy injury report and the wild Backs are officially against
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the wall.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
You are listening to Barrero
Game number five Western Conference Semifinals tonight on the Fan
Wolves in San Antonio, Davy to take on the Spurs.
All of our coverage will begin at six point thirty
as soon as this show is done. Well, Frankly, our
coverage is continuing right now. Double T kind of enough
to join us at the very last minute. Trent Tucker
via the Connecticot Water Systems hotline, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
To the program.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I must tell you that we played some sound earlier
from Draymond Green.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You may have heard some of it.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Draymond basically is saying, if the Wolves are going to
exhibit any measure of pride, somebody is going to have
to return the favor on Wemby and elbow him right
in the throat as well. I'm here to ask you,
as a former pro, whether that's the best way to
(01:08):
win the battle or to maybe the win the war tonight,
Double T.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
What do you think now?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I mean, you know you don't want to put your
stuff in that situation. You just want to go out
and win. You played this team. Now, you've had four
games against them and it's two to two, and hopefully
as you go into game find you know the coaching
staff have figured something out on how to beat this team.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So what is the formula tonight? You've watched these games,
you know this is a big one. Game number five
usually is often the game five winner wins the damn thing.
What when you watch the Wolves in this series, what
do you believe? Because you know obviously Wemby's going to
be back. You know the Spurs are at home. You
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know that they destroyed the Wolves in the in game two.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Watch the formula?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
What's the approach the Wolves need to take tonight to
give themselves a chance for the upset?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, you know, for one, anytime you go into a
game five, you want to get up to a good stuff,
especially on the road. And I've always said that the
home team, it's more pressure on them because it's almost
like their first Game seven. You know, they know that
if they lose this game, they're facing elimination and they're
going to feel the pressure. If the wolvesn't come out
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and get up to a good start, it's almost a
free game for them. The worst thing is going to
happen for the Wolf, But they're going to play Game
six back on their home floor, and the best thing
they can happen for them they can have a chance
to come home and close out game number six. For one,
you have to take care of the basketball, you know,
don't turn the ball over and force Antonio to make
shots without fouling them. You know it's going to be
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a Rockets crowd. Don't get up, don't get caught up
in the emotion, and just have you know, a game
plan that you can employ when Wenby is on the
floor or when he's off the floor. I would like
to see them use nae read a little bit more
when he's on the floor. When they run the pick
and roll with Anthony Elpers, you know he's a pick
(03:09):
and pop guy, and that's going to pool Wemby away.
Maybe if he's at the center position away from the basket,
and that could create some driving lanes and give guys
who are good off your drill board chance to get
to the basket and do some damage there. And then
when Wemby's off the floor, see if you can move
your offense down a little bit further. Don't start at
twenty eight feet, maybe start at twenty feet from now,
(03:31):
Like guys like Julius Randa and Jay McDaniel and Nis
are in a better position to playoff one or two bouces.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Let's talk more also about officiating, because the assumption is
that there's often in a series like this, an over correction.
You have the Spurs coach after the game basically saying
they've been pounding on him and sooner or later he
was going to get frustrated by it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
They've been very physical with him.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
So often we see occasions when refs, even though they're
not supposed to pay attention to this stuff, then in
a game played there end up being a little bit
more protective of said player. You've seen these adjustments, You've
seen these swings happen within games. So what's the defensive
approach the Wolves take against Wemby? Because it is it
(04:25):
has been physical. Do they just have to keep sort
of testing the refs and saying we're going to crowd him,
we are going to get physical with him. If we
back away from that, we're surrendering too easily. How big
will the officiating be tonight in terms of how tight
it is, how loose it might be.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well, officiating is always crucial. Bus You have to come
out and play your game and then you make your
adjustments from there based on how the officials are called
any game and the Wolves can't back off. They know
they have to be aggressed that they have to take
a space away. They have to make it hard for him,
you know, to find space to treat Sat. And it's
the big boys league now, so you can make those
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adjustments as the game goes along based on how the
assistants are calling the game right then the start.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Let me give you some numbers on Julius Randall in
this series thus far, he is averaging. He's shooting thirty
seven percent from the floor averaging. He's only making five
shots a game at this point. He has turned the
ball over in four games eighteen times double tee. He's
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only got in those four games five seven assists. That's
not a very good ratio, even though sometimes they do
ask him to kind of be a point forward. Can
they winn? Can the Wolves in all seriousness have much
of a chance to win this series if Anthony Edwards
doesn't get better production from at least one guy.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I would start with Julius. I guess you can include
a couple other people.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
What have you seen in Julius and how do they
unlock them?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I think they have to use him differently in terms
of how they locate him on the floor and he
on your brings those small defenders, and then when he's
at you know, twenty five to twenty six feet, when
he catches the ball, you know it's going to be
tough for him to maneuver around or smaller and quick defenders,
so they force him into bad spots where he has
(06:19):
to over dribble. Then that that we side. Then the
old son comes from the blind side, and that leads
to him turning the ball over. And when he does that,
then he's not going to get back on defense, and
that's going to create runouts for San Antonio, either to
get to the basket for easy layups or find their
transition three points shot. So I would like to see
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Chris Finch readjusts where he located him and when he
when he starts his offense, put him down a little
bit closer beloaded free throw line, and now he has
the ability to play off one or two bounces and
when he has to build the ball more than twice,
you know, if a disaster waits to happen against those
smaller defense.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Do you want to see more or less of Mike
Conley the rest of the series. Where does he fit
in in your mind?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I would like to see more Mike Conley. I know
you ask and a lot of the summer and TJ.
Santa to play the point guard position, and you know
they're doing a heck of a job because these guys
are out of position and you're asking them in order
to run the team at this time of the year,
you know, at the Western Conference and finds against the
San Antonio Spurs. So you have to give credit for
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them to doing the best that they can do. But
I think in certain spots, you know you're going to
need that steady hand and that betan leadership of Mike
Connie Junior. So I would like to see him on
the floor in critical moments.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Anthony Edwards, I want to talk to you some more.
We've talked about him obviously a lot over the years,
but I have in the am in the group that's
very impressed with what he has been able to do. First,
to get back out as quickly as he has. It
feels kind of old school to me, Double T. It
feels like the kind of a coach and the kind
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of player who could play even among the old timers
from your generation and that he would be respected for
the fact that he's just willed himself and willed his
body to not only get back out there. But let's
face it, as the games have gone on, series has
gone on to play more minutes and to be extremely effective.
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They don't win obviously, Game four without his fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
What do you see on.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Anthony Well, I think he has grown mentally. You know,
when you and when your best player has been in
these situations enough, they understand how to pick their spots
and when to go off offensively, but also they trust
their teammates and critical moments when he was so exhausted
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at the end of Game four, wonder when they young
was not in the game, he relied on his teammates
to carry him the rest of their way. I mean
he drew the double teams, then take a bad shot,
enforced the situation that can to a turnover. He made
sure his team kept that possession and that's what Julius
Randall and and nas Reed and Rudy Gobert was able
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to get a basket here or there to make a difference.
And he has rows so much and that's a nice
thing to see because they're great players. As they move
on throughout years in the NBA, they learned how to
master their game from a mental standpoint as well.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
To me, the other big change in his game is
it used to be kind of one or the other,
the three or you know, driving to the basket. But
even the driving, I think he's gotten smarter, working the
angles better. And I think he's developed much more of
a mid range, which, as you know, even though it's
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a three point game, it still counts. If you hit
a high percentage of two pointers in the mid range,
that's okay too. I like the I think there's more variety.
He's learning that with all the attention he gets, you know,
his best chance for success is to get easier shots.
And sometimes that's not the spectacular, that's just making it,
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using your footwork and getting to that little bit of
open space for a nice turnaround even mid range.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Shot, well, you know, I think you hit then element
head when you say, you know, can the Wolves use
Mike Countye Jr. A little bit more? And until your
point that you're just making, they need to have him
on the floor so that you can take Anthony was
off the ball some. So now the double teams can't
come as quickly you can put him down on the
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baseline where he can use his big guys to set
some screens for him, where he can get to the
mid range game and get them easier sets. So that's
why Mike County Jr. Could be valuable for the Wolves
in the game like game number.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Five, the Wemby disqualification where he gets thrown out for
a flagrant too. I'm assuming you're watching the thing live.
What were your initial thoughts as you're watching it?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Uh, the officials got it right, Yeah, for sure. I
mean they had, you know, they had to throw him
out of the game. I mean, that was a that
was a violent hit and if it's you know, anywhere
much closer to his throat, I mean he could have
done some serious damage, you know to NAIs read. Luckily
that he didn't land in a bad spot, But they
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made the right call at that time.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Should he have received further punishment, either a suspension or
at least a fine.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Where were you on that?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah? If you know, if he was a role player,
he would be tossed off as the rest of the series,
you know, but I'm not surprised that they didn't suspend
him further. Is because you know, he means so much
of the league and everybody wants to tune in to
see him play. But they did get a righting game
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and before you know by by talking to him out
of the game.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I mean, it fit every bit of the every definition
of a flagrant too, I think was covered there. Do
you do you get any sense out of a player
not really known for that it's not really been in
much of his resume, even though he's you know, he's
not been around that long. Is that indicative of perhaps
the wolves might be getting to him mentally. Is that
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something that can be used again to try to get
in his head or is that oversimplifying the story?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I mean you're going to use every angle and every
ass that you can that you can get to see
how you can get him lost his game, and the
being physical is one way to get him frustrated. You
have to continue to play that way, and if the
officials are going to allow you to use your hands
and use your body a little bit more, that's what
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you have to do at this time of the year,
because we all know how good he is when he
can get to his spots to find an open space.
You know, he's deadly, and he's a guy that can
do a whole lot of damage on the offense, but
man as well as defensive man. But for the Wolves
to have a chance to slow him down, they know
they have to a physical game against him.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Darren Fox and Dylan Harper are both listed today. In
the case of Harper, this came up today as questionable
a Fox with right ankle soreness. Harper, who was excellent
in in game three, I think he scored twenty four
seven to ten from the floor left knee soreness. If
both of those guys are out, how much does that
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change the calculus of this game?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Oh hope for huge changed, because now you know the
Spurs you're going to have to dig deep into the
advance to see who can replace those guys. And that's
a huge favor right there for the Wolves. If those
guys cannot play.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Let me ask a Jayden question.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't know if we talked about this last time
we got He obviously had the terrific offensive game in
probably the game of his life offensively in Game six
against Denver. Do you see enough in him in his
growth offensively that if we're looking to next year next
the team next season, and if you believe in such
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a thing as a pecking order, that it might be
time to elevate him Jayden to the number two option
behind Anthony, and you drop Julius to number three.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Does that make any sense to you or is that necessary?
It does?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
It makes sense, But I think if you're looking to
elevate him to number two, and I know we're in
the middle of the Western Conference semifinals and you don't
want to talk about trades, yeah, at this stace, but
you may have to move someone to get a point guard.
I think this team to really take the ultimate step,
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and not to say they can't get there this year,
but to stay in this window for I make the
next three or four or five years, they're going to
have to get a quality point guard. And if they
can get a quality point guard, that's going to allow
Anthony atwards now, you know, to be all football a
little bit more, where he can have more freedom and
more womb, where he doesn't have to face the double
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team and every single time down to find the space
that he needs on the offense a man to be
more effective.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, that makes that.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I couldn't agree more with that. You and I have
talked about that before. I think he's handled it about
as well as you could out of necessity at times
this year, and I think I think they want to
bring to Sumu back what he's ready to be. Probably
in a perfect world you still have him coming off
the bench adding to your bench. But that there's gonna
be a lot of interesting questions and some of it
might depend on how far they go this season. But
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I don't think Tim Conley is shy about, you know,
falling in love with his roster. If he thinks, all right,
we've maybe gone about as far as we can with
this group, I'm gonna have to make a little bit
of a change because we all know, you know, Mike
Conley can't play forever. He's in a different role at
this point. I think even he acknowledges that. And you know,
there is no air apparent really at that spot.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I mean, you know, as you look at the great
ones as they as they moved on throughout their careers,
once they got past year seven, and I'm talking about
Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordans, they were taking off the ball.
You know, they weren't asked you know, to beat you know,
the Triple team time and time again through an eighty
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two game schedule because they just couldn't do it anymore.
It was too much wear and tearing their bodies. Once
they got to the playoffs, once you were able to
move them off the ball and find that reliable ball handler,
now they were able, you know, to find him a
space and to be more efficient where they still could
be the best players in the game.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You know, you're as much of a hockey guy now
these days as you are a basketball guy. How disappointed
were you in your Minnesota Wild club a great opportunity
to even their series at home at two and two
and could not get it done against the very talented
colorad Avalanche. Were you disappointed?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Now?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You know you're you know you're disappointing the Laws, but
they're playing against you know, two of the all time
great for the history of the game, and Nathan McKinnon
and kill McCarry, and I mean it was a heck
of a game and all of a sudden, you know,
etern up here there or good play by Colorado put
them in a situation where they could take the three
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to two lead, and the wow, did everything they could
when you know, when they are poor to go and
they had six on five. But you know, they're playing
against a very very good team and we all knew
there was going to be very hard to be the
Colorado Avalanche. So they cillinly have a chance now to
go back to Denver see if they can still gain
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five and bring game number six back. But I'm not
too disappointed in that efforts because they're playing against two
of the all time greats.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You know, there's been a lot of talk today regarding
Wemby nationally of well, you know, maybe the Spurs have
to consider bringing in or having or establishing one of
those old time, old school style enforcers. You know, because
once upon a time in your league there were guys
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who that was their job. I mean that basically is
all right, you're if you mess with our best player, uh,
we're gonna do something about it. And hockey course has
been going on forever. I don't think it's as prevalent
in the NBA as it once was.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Is it? Does it? Does it serve a purpose? Does
Wemby need an enforcer? Does?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Does you know is there still a place for that
style or is that pretty hard?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
The way the game is played today.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I think it's hard, you know, based on how the
game is played today, because you know now that that
enforcer who primarily is is a fore man. Now he's
student three point shots. He has to be a skill guy.
He just can't be a guy that's going to rough
people up. I would like to see san Antonio as
as they moved throughout his career. As we was talking
about how you really relocate someone like you years random
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also do the same thing for Weinbama. You put him
closer to the basket, then it's seven five. Yeah, I mean,
there's nobody can stop Georgia bar for years was all
the time leader to score the history of the game
with one shot. And if you put Wenby down low
more times than not, I mean, you know, he could average.
He could easily average forty points a game just because
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of his hype and his heel and his talent. So
I think as they move along san Antonio, we'll figure
out how to use him differently where he can be
even more effective as as his career goes along.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You know, throughout this series, when we've talked about the Spurs,
I have almost every time what I say, I don't
say the San Antonio Spurs. I say the San Antonio Spurs, Davy.
And you're the reason for that. I don't know if
you know the background on this thing. In fact, I
have to explain it all the time. He is, why
do you always say san Antonio David? I said, well,
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I remember when the Spurs, you know, under Popovich, had
had the dynasty gone and and double t you beyond
with Cinnecon and they'd be predicting, predicting games and series
and you get to whatever whoever san Antonio was playing,
and you would kind of take a deep breath, hesitate
a bit.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And say san Antonio Davy. And it sucked with me.
So every time we can't.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I can't just say the city san Antonio. I always
gotta say san Antonio Davy. Can you give us a
san Antonio Davy today?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Antonio your Davy? And and the reason why it came,
you know, came to a natural for me because you know,
Coach Park and I are are really good friends, and
you know, I played twenty five games for the San
Antonio Spurs before I went to Chicago, and he and
I develop a great relationship during the time that I
was there. And we have always remained you know, good
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friends throughout these years, and he has been one of
my all time favorites, you know, to be around and
to have a chance to play for it. So when
I talked about where a lot of my thinking and
not comes from the game, you know, he's a part
of those four Hall of Fame coaches that I had
a chance to play for.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Got what is it? What that's remarkable? Is it not?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I know, you consider yourself very lucky. It's not just
lucky's skill. You made your way in this league. You
earned everything that you got. But to have that those
connections double team, that's got to mean everything to you.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I'm you know, I'm like I say, I'm very fortunate,
I'm very lucky. I had a chance to play, you
know for Huet Brown. You know, we didn't have the
great relationship when I got there, you know, but I
had to remove my personal feelings away on how we
looked at each other as people, and so did I accept,
you know, the great teaching of basketball that he brought
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to the table. And I had Rick Patino and and
you know I talked about Greg Popovich and then I
get the zen massive at the end of my career
to sit down and have conversations with Phil Jackson and
and be all before that, you know, Jim Detcher was
a wonderful coach to be around. And when you talk
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about hockey, I didn't know much about hockey back in
the early eighties or the late seventies, and I spent
a great deal of time about her books when he
was coaching the University of Minnesota, and you know, he
and I develop a good relationship. So the philosophy of
what it you know, what it takes to win and
gets yourself prepared mented on the daily basis. I had
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some very good guys to listen to, so that has
kind of, you know, shaped my way of thinking on
how I see the game. And then I had the
great fortunes at the end of my career to play
with someone like Michael Jordan. So in terms of my
basketball life, I have been truly blessed and I am
very grateful for all the things that basketball has brought
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to me.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
It's a wonderful life, double t that's what you're saying.
That's for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
And I didn't realize you had you establish any kind.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Of relationship with Herbie.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I mean so many of the people you've named, I
consider such originals, right, they're they're they're all really good
at what they did, but they're all different. And you
look at you talk about him, you talk about a
popp you talk about Phil Jackson, Herbie Brooks, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Ain't nobody like him?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
No, I mean, you know, the great thing about the
Herb Brooks and in the relationship I had with him.
You know, when I got drafted to the New York Knicks.
You know, he was coaching the New York Rangers. Oh yeah,
so he and I not only you know, uh, we
were in Minnesota together, but also we were in New
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York together, and you know, just to have a chance
to sit around and talk to him. Here's a guy
that was in a total different sport that I knew
nothing about. At that stage. I knew, you know, about
the eighty Olympics team and the miracle Alliancense and all
those things, and how how big a part he played
in the success of those young men. And but just
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to hear his philosophy and how he approached things, and
to take this and pieces from what I could get
from him and to apply to what I was doing
on the basketball quick was tremendous to have, you know,
just to have those opportunities to sit down and talk
to somebody like her and Brook tremendous.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, great to catch up as always, my friend. Thanks
for the basketball analysis and thank you for the history
lesson too. It's always good to get into that, into
that stuff because that stuff never gets old, right, it
never goes away.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah, it never ends. It never goes away.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And thanks for having me Dan one hundred percent. We'll
be in touch. Thanks double team everybody.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Trent Tucker, excellent stuff from him, as always, Louie in
about one hour, another puckhead, Trent Tucker's out puckheat who
knew well, we kind of did know, but that developed
over a period of time. Louis at five point thirty,
how did he process game number four? And where do
the missle a while go from here? We do have
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oe to a dead guy to get to involving it's possible.
I think it's actually probable that he may be for
one session, for one guest appearance, the greatest guest in
the history of the Bumper.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
To Bumper program.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And I was reminded by a couple of alert listeners
that he has indeed passed away. We'll give you details
on who that is, and maybe you know Wax a
little bit nostalgic there as well.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
When we return. You're listening to Barrera on the fan
from the one eight hundred and now it's time for
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ode to a dead guy. Mike's got to get I guess,
uh locked in?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Do you guards he remember a longtime listener used to
call in to our show but also heavily to Commons
program called Drummer Guy. Do you remember drummer Guy? No,
of course I remember drummer So drummer Guy and I
have not heard from drummer Guy in a long time.
I hope he's well. I don't know if he still
lives here, what his situation is. Common might know, actually,
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but drummer guy out of nowhere, and he was in
a band, as I recall on this occasion. Yes, and
he says to me, hey, I think I can get
Jack Douglas.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
In studio to come into studio to hang with you.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
He's I got him to produce my band, which might
be one of the great miracles of.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
All time in of itself.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And he had to give me a little more detail
on who Jack Douglas was, and very quickly it became
clear that we're talking about an iconic record producer who
had worked with pretty much everybody.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I guess you could say from time to time.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Aerosmith, Cheap Trick, The Who, Miles Davis, the New York Dolls,
Alice Cooper, the James Gang, you know with which was
Joe Walsh's band.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
And John Lennon.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
And I said, and I was skeptical, so okay, yeah, okay,
let me know. And sure enough it was on a Friday,
he produces, he comes into studio, drummer guy does with
Jack Douglas. And I will tell you that for a
guest we've had on only that one time.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's the only time we had him. As I recall,
we tried other times we did.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah, we we have not had a a more fulfilling
hour of music conversation that I had occasion with with
with Jack Douglass.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
And sadly it's one of those we didn't save. I
don't it might be somewhere out there in the ether.
It's because sometimes people find stuff that I don't even
know exists.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I know I have it somewhere.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Oh you think you do, I do have something somewhere
because we played parts of it back at all we
did at a different time.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Okay, yeah, I know it's somewhere, but anyway, well, the story.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
We're bringing it up now and owning him because word
has broken that he has passed.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Away at the age of eighty years old.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Family saying that he died peacefully Monday night in I
think he was still living in the Greater New York area,
and I got to tell you, man the stories he told, specifically,
especially but not exclusively, about his time with John Lennon.
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I mean, raising my arm hairs, man, it was crazy.
He was with John Lennon the night John Lennon was murdered.
They were in the studio expecting to go back to
work the next morning. In the studio, had a good session.
He says good night to John Lennon. He gets a
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phone call later from Jack Does his wife, revealing the
news that he'd been shot, that Lennon had been shot.
He and his wife make it too. I want to
say it was Roosevelt Hospital to take up the vigil
with Yoko, and his memory of how he got to
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know Lennon, how prickly he was at first, how they
got to a much better place. Some of the eerie
nature of some of the things that he said that
Lennon told him that almost seemed to feel like he
had some kind of a precursor of death, premature death
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taking place, absolutely stunning. Now, as guards he mentioned, we
tried to get him for different reasons over the years,
and he was very reluctant to come on after that
initial stretch, where in fact he did, as I recall,
shortly after the murder of Lenin, he appeared on the
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late night show back then, the Tom Snyder Show, and
that was with Yoko's consent to sort of give a
sense of the.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Lenin working with Lenin in the.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Laboratory, so to speak, in the studios, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And it's it's sad.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It makes me sad to think that we didn't have
more time to chat with him. But I'll hold on
to the hour in this very studio that he gave
us because he gave us story after story, not just
about Lenin but about Aerosmith, about his role with some musicians.
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I think I mentioned this not that long ago, was
when they were having battling substance abuse issues. He would
be the guy to intervene and all but escort them
to get help, and that eventually he needed the help
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and that he got it. In fact, it might have
been from Stephen Tyler. I can't remember if it was
Tyler or not, but it was a story he told
about the shoe was on the other foot and.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
They came for me.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
And then he told the most amazing story of all
that almost seems like it can't possibly be be true,
and it was about So this goes all the way
back to November nineteen sixty five. He and another musician
they are obsessed the Beatles, and the Beatles sound right.
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They can't get there in the United States. They can't
get enough of the sound. So they decide we're going
to go to Liverpool. We're going to take a trip.
And the cheapest way, as he told us, was by steamer.
And I see another interview he gave on this issue.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
People say to me.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
You're crossing the North Atlantic in late November, and I
was like, yeah, so what, I've been on the Staten
Island ferry. So it makes stops in Boston, Saint John's, Halifax, Iceland, Norway, Aberdeen.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
They keep going.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
He says basically that he and mister Leonetti was the
other musician, were the sole passengers. The rest, he describes
as a crew of pirates that were drunk most of
the time. It was a harrowing trip. So three weeks
later they arrive in Liverpool guitars amps, but they got
no return tickets, they got no visas, they got no
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work permits. So they're detained on the vessel by immigration officials.
I told my friend, I got you into this mess,
I'll get you out of it. Is the way Jack
described it. I think that's been the story of my life.
So he somehow sneaks off the ship in a disguise,
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finds a record shop buys the Beatles just released Rubber
Soul album. He says, I saw the Liverpool Echo, the
biggest newspaper in Liverpool, and thought, these English journalists like
sensational stuff. I'll tell them this story about being held
captive on a ship. So he goes to the paper
with the story. The editor is interested. They arrange media
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coverage that ultimately reached London. Embarrassed immigration officials eventually gave in.
They granted them student visas and the Echo editor put
them in a band. It was going to be the
continuing coverage of the Yanks in Liverpool. He said, it
was amazing. We saw lots of incredible bands, bought records
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and sent press back to New York and then without warning,
the now famous crazy Yanks as they were called, were handcuffed,
thrown into a car, onto a train, then a ship
bound for the United States.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
But because we've been to Liverpool.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
And sent back all this stuff about what stars we were,
we got into some really good bands. So years and
years later, he's a junior engineer at the record plant
and he's talking with Lenin. They're recording. He's the producer
on the Imagine album, and apparently Lenin had wandered into
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that studio where Douglas was.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Editing tapes.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
At this point, I guess I should say he was
more of an engineer than he was a producer. So
they're just striking up a conversation at this point because
they don't know each other as well yet, and.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
As an engineer.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
At this point, he says, he tells Lenin that he'd
been to Liverpool, and Lennon's kind of, you know, his
curiosities arouse, he says, I should say. Jack says, I
was a musician. I want to know everything there was
about how the music was being made. And Lennon says, well,
how did that work out? And he said, well, it's
good as bad I got us deported, but good because
(35:27):
I made a lot of noise before I did.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
At which point, as he told us in this studio.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Lennon looks at Jack Douglas and said, you're one of
the crazy Yanks. That's how they first truly bonded. Years
after that he had made that trip over there. That
was I think of all the stories he told, that
story of how they were obsessed with the Beatles but
(35:54):
had no you know connection. He wasn't even working in
records at that point. How it comes full circle and
they end up working together. The crazy Yank who went
over with nothing to get to know the Beatles sound
and to be, you know, to to immerse himself in
it ends up working with a member of the Beatles.
(36:14):
Too soon, I was getting a ride home every day,
talking with Lennon, hanging out. He asked my phone number
and he called one day and asked me, I want
to go to a party. To just watch my back
because I'm not sure about these people. And they became
like I said, very good friends and worked together on
several albums and were indeed working together the night that
(36:35):
he passed away. So Jack Douglas certainly for this show gone,
but never forgotten to get those kinds of yarn spun
and the beauty of it, then, of course, was what
were the odds. There was no other circumstance other than
the connection being drummer guy, that he's going to produce
this guy in our studio. And even as he did,
(36:57):
I didn't know what he was going to tell us.
I didn't know how in depth he was going to
be willing to get. I didn't know how much he
was going to cooperate with us. And my recollection is
we literally ran out of time because it was a Friday,
and I think we took him to the end of
the show, and I was tempted to just keep going
and extend the program because he had more stories. He
(37:20):
was not going to run out of stories. But the
crazy Yanks story, man, that's I don't know how you
get a better popular music.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Story than that.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I can still hear him say it, like when you
hear Jack Yes Douglas. I can still hear him say
you're the crazy Yanks.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I can hear him say it. However, many years ago
it was the Odd Fathers was the band. I believe
that was. You're right, that was the name of the band. Yeah,
Drummer Guy was part of and he was working with
the Odd Fathers. That's why he came to town.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
It was I mean, I haven't had any you want
to talk about, you know, favors done to us or
to me for this show. In terms of guests, it's
hard to top Drummer Guy on that occasion. And then
it did get emotional, obviously when he's talking about the
eerie nature of knowing that he was the last guy
to spend time with John Lennon. He thinks it's just
(38:06):
another night of work.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I'll see in the.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Morning, will continue on the album, and then he finds
out his good friend has been shot and killed.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It was a remarkable occasion for this.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Program and I from that point forward, every time I
try to reach out to him. I tried not to
bug him a lot, but it was really to be
to say how grateful we were for the time he
gave us and hoping to get more. But it was
almost like I don't want to keep going there He's
one of those guys who I think had just decided
most of the time he wanted to be private.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Other occasions he would speak up.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
But I think a lot of times, especially as the
years went on, I don't know if he had any
health issues, he decided to be a lot more private
about it.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
But no one.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
We've had some great guests over the years, man that
have opened up and cut open a vein. Nobody cut
open a vein like the late great Zack Douglas did
in this very studio, and for that we will be
forever appreciative.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So the best to his family as well. Let's get
caught up, were a little bit behind. We'll be back
in just a minute. Here in the fan.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Find out who, when, and where the Vikings will play
this fall when the NFL schedule is released.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Pa Benn and Peace will break it down.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Still very much in town, and he played just played
a show locally in his band called Sons of Gloria.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Sons of Gloria drummer guy.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
And there are people asking if at some point we
could try to find a bit of that interview, and
maybe we can.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Maybe we'll look for it.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
And see if we could play it at some point
or at least maybe available make it available via a podcast.
So again, for the record, imagine on that album, Jack
Douglas was the records engineer.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And then.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
When we're talking about the big comeback album, the Double
Fantasy album, I think that was in nineteen eighty, Douglas
was a co producer of that album along with Lennon
and Yoko Ono. Apparently I'm looking at one one story
that indicates that he and Ono later went to court
over his royalties for the number one album. You know,
(40:15):
there's sentiment and then there's business. That's true, you know business.
It's not show friends, it's show business, as you often say. Yeah,
that's true, and that indeed does sometimes take place. Somebody
is also claiming, and I don't remember him talking.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
About this with us.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I don't even know if I knew it that Douglas
started out as a folk musician and he worked on
our FK's senatorial campaign in nineteen sixty four as a songwriter,
which is certainly very possible. I don't remember that we
necessarily talked about that.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
According to Wikipedia, that is it is accurate. Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
We'll kind of reset the show here in a couple
of these minutes as we get to the top of
the hour. We do expect Luigi usual time to talk
Puck at five point thirty this evening, So if you
have questions for Louis, you want to get those in early.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I don't think we have We do know that this
is an early the beauty of tonight for the Walls
if they really want to make a statement, the entire
war NBA world is going to be watching.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
We're going to the game tonight and you got the
wen Bee backdrop and it's prime time. Yep.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
It's like I said, seven o'clock Central time is a
great opportunity, as daunting as the task is for all
the obvious reasons. And I don't know if we have
any updated information on the two Spurs who are listed
as today as questionable, two very good wing players de
Aaron Fox and Dylan Harper. But that's what we're going
(41:46):
to be continuing to watch as we get eve ever
closer to the tip off. Now, given it's already five
when they call it game time decision, does that mean
that they don't really have to announce anything literally until
game time. I don't know what the protocol is on
that usually text Johnny to find out.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
Usually it's kind of a mix sometimes because what time
do they play seven? So the coaches are about to
meet the media again now in the next night for
some minutes or so, sometimes it comes up. Then other
times it's he's out there right now, we're gonna go,
We're gonna see, We're gonna see. So it could be
literally at the game, it could be in the media
(42:28):
availability in the next hour.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Do you think it would be.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
A little too obvious that Finchy was reacting to the
Draymond Green suggestion if Ingles starts, Do you think that
would be a little too obvious of or bring him
in to be the enforcer to cheap shot get wemby
going and if he gets thrown out of the game,
(42:54):
Ingles is more than happy, given how little he plays
to do that for the team. That would be a
little I think. I think it's got to be a
little more subtle than that. Yeah, I agree. Also, I
don't know if Ingles is the record. I don't know
if Ingles is quick enough to get there at this point,
that's a great I feel like, yeah, is he going
to get.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
There when he's the kid.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
I don't want to traumatize the kid though, our backup center.
Speaker 5 (43:16):
And he's already traumatized because Joker messed with him on
that jump ball. That's true in the first series where
he gave him the game at the end for the
turnover and then they had to do a jumpall. So
he's already trying to figure out what city he's in.
And I'm sure he looks up to Wemby.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
That's the thing. Rudy has molded Wemby.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
Yeah, right, yes, Baron Jay, I'm sure looks up to
Rudy for sure, but also Wemby. Right, he's probably been
reading the press clippings and following him on Instagram for
the last five years, So I don't know if he
even has it in his heart to do that.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, he might be right.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Well, I in all seriousness, I think you saw you heard.
If you're listening, double t agrees, you can't go the
day day about or route. I should say that's too.
You got to be more subtle than that.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
And you gotta war. The war is the game.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
The war is winning the game to give yourself the
best chance to win this series, and so you you
can worry later about the alleged pride issues that somebody's
got to, you know, fire.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Back at him.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
There are here's the here's I think part of the
problem in twenty twenty six players are not accustomed.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
To that style of play.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
They I don't know if it's in their DNA to
do effectively what a couple of generations ago players did do,
in fact, because I think they knew how to do
it with a little art attached to it right where
it wasn't so obvious. But yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
that that was that was intentional. That's that's a message
that we're sending to you. I don't think these.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Plays the protocol has changed so much.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
If I think it's more likely to be awkward and
off put if it involves players who really don't know
how to do that, well, how do I subtly, subtly
send them the kind of message that data is talking about.
I don't know if that's even possible anymore. But you
can't lose the thread, and the thread is trying to
(45:17):
actually upset what everybody in the league expects and wants. No,
this is the future, this is the guy they have
to advance. Nobody has a chance to beat Oklahoma City.
But if anybody does a San Antonio Davey to me,
that's the war you want to win. Okay, we don't
care what we're suppos what the Spurs are supposed to do,
what we're supposed to do. At this point, we'll worry
(45:38):
about the the intramural nonsense later. Let's exact our form
of revenge for that cheap shot by a gifted young player.
Let's beat him against all odds. Let's beat him ten
and a half point underdogs.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
Tonight, Mike Conley talked yesterday, I think about how you've
been proud of not Jaden and other guys because they
haven't gotten caught up in the game to game stuff
that happens, and they've just moved on and not been
in their heads as much.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
That's a sign of maturity, it is. It's a sign
of maturity.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
This is to me, the sign of maturity to say, sure,
we could go clock Wendy and we could even the score,
or we could just go win pivotal Game five and
come back and send them home Friday night at Target Center,
whereas Anthony Edwards says, people will be stumbling all over themselves.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Ready to go.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Is it possible that Randal should be the player, and
the Wolves' chances, even if he gets thrown out, might
actually be enhanced if he's not available tonight.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Well, I mean you did it earlier. I know you're right.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
You're following my lead there. Well, and Randall was the
one that was going for Jokic big time.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yeah, that's just in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
I still think Jokic wanted the reaction he got to
try to get a couple of guys talk like. I
still think he was playing chess with that whole thing.
And I thought Jayden did a good job when Nas
got elbowed him just holding wem beyond old Jayden I
think would have thrown him into Charlie Swanson lexus of
why is that a seats or hit the stanchion. Yeah,
I feel like he would have done something much more
(47:12):
than just kind of hold him like he did. So, Yeah,
we'll see. But Randall, Mi, Randall was coming hot at
Jokic when that whole thing went down. So let's see
how it goes all right. Top five, we'll give you
the latest that we know about the San Antonio Spurs,
Davy injury report and the wild Backs are officially against
(47:33):
the wall.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
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