July 3, 2026 • 36 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly
source for the nation's best fantasy speculation and advice.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What's up and welcome back another offseason edition of Fantasy
Football Weekly with your host and faithful that Raider, John mcgeza,
and my friend and yours, mister Jake Trowbridge. How are you, buddy?
I already scolded you for taking me away from live
drafts for the first time for an hour since the
last time we spoke a week ago. How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
How dare i? John?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I not be more considered that, But you know what
tip for tat hey man, we're coming up on fourth
of July weekend. You took me away from doing my
annual watch of Beavis and butt Head do America.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So how about that? Take that? My wife wants to
know your secret to get me away from the draft rooms.
It's that time year. To me, it's the best time
the draft has happened. ADP's are set and now it's
a matter of the market just kind of hashing things out.
I always fought moves interesting because most of the time
nothing's really happened. Right now, I want a table of
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future discussion. We've gotta get this note down for just that,
like how news can drive prices without anything happening. I'm
thinking of Darien Price. I don't know if you saw
the Twitter streets were on fire after a beat report.
Maybe we'll get to that next week. Again, nothing's happening.
That story will be there this week. Topic of hand,
mister Drake, our favorite stacks. This is a great idea.
We're gonna do our favorite expensive, medium priced right, and
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then cheap stacks. Let's start with yours. It's the Buffalo Bills,
your expensive stack. Take it away.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, John, When I was looking at this, I realize
that I'm not somebody whoever drafts quarterback early these days.
But I figure, if we're gonna go expensive, let's just
go all in. So I'm going with the bills, as
in dollar bills, as in holy crap, that truly is expensive.
Because Josh Allen is going in the early third round.
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He's twenty sixth overall, he's the QB, and I'm also
gonna go ahead and stack him up with James Cook,
who is going in the first round ninth overall.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
He's the RB. Five off the board.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I'm all in on this rushing package from the Bills,
because no one in the NFL currently prioritizes the run
game quite like Joe Brady, who went from being the
offensive coordinator who really got James Cook going. Now he's
the head coach. I can't imagine he's gonna back off
of the running aspect of this. Now that he is
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head coach, he's still play calling. He has even more
control though over the situation. But the Bills, I mean,
they've just averaged a ton of rushing yards. They were,
I believe, first in the league last year in rushing
yards per game and second in yards per rush. Between everybody,
I don't really I don't really care about anybody else
in the backfield. You know, last week, John, we talked
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about all these money backfields and confusing backfields. This one's
just very clear cut to me. It is James Cook
as the leading running back, and then his you know,
handcuff or the vulture at the goal line is his quarterback,
Josh Allen. So these are the only two guys that
I really care now. I understand though, John, and this
was hard for me to do. Because of this, You're
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gonna miss some quality players in the third round by
taking Josh Allen there's just no escaping it. And in fact,
one of my stacks later is gonna make up for
that if I weren't gonna go in this direction.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
But it's just Josh Allen is a fantasy freak.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I think we can agree on that he's had six
seasons straight, or he's a top two fantasy quarterback. It's
just not a thing that happens anymore. And it's because
of that elite, elite upside. I know some folks might
want to go out there and maybe you do too, John,
I don't know, and maybe stack an actual pass catcher
with this team. Maybe you want to go for DJ Moore,
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maybe you like Dalton Kincaid as a late tight end.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Those guys just don't really do much for me.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I want the quarterback who's gonna average one hundred rush attempts.
It's probably not going to miss a game fingers crossed.
I should have said that out loud, but he hasn't
missed one in the last six years.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And it just feels like the.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Way, if I'm going to go all in early, give
me these fantasy freaks.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
What do you think about these guys?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, I mean, you don't have to twist my arm
to convince me the bill should be prolific. And also
that's the trunk of the tree, right, the majority of
all the offense should funnel through them. I'm going to
try not to go on the tangent. I wrote down
a couple questions. Because I wrote down the Josh Allen question.
You kind of addressed it a little bit. And it's funny.
The market is reacting kind of weirdly. Josh Allen wound
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up front of the third, like you said, he's been
dropping to the back of the third. Now, I think
people are starting to buy back into him, and you
could see why we'd love that offense. You know, you
mentioned DJ Moore, and I don't think you necessarily need
to make him a part of the stack. The player
that I do like would probably be Dalton Kincaid. We'd
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mentioned it before. You know, he's going off the board
as the tight end twelve. That's ADP one't eighteen. We
mentioned it the other week. Twenty four percent target route
more than two and three quarters yard routes run, and
he's extremely cheap. So I like Kincaid stuck in there. Also,
I've heard some people mention not being able to stack
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Alan and Cook as if they cannibalize each other. Josh
Allen and James Cook on the same roster, however, so
I went and did a little digging on the weekly stuff,
and Alan and Cook just last year had six simultaneous
I was calling them top ten finishes right on the
same week intra week top ten finishes. However you want
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to describe that, so no, they can, and they have
produced together, So I'm all about that. I would be
fine avoiding more because it's a bit of a mystery
box at a high price. You could actually sell me
on Shakir being better than he was last year, not
having to carry the load of a number one receiver,
being able to work where he is very effective underneath.
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So I actually love that stack. And Josh Allen is expensive.
I was mentioned before he's fallen back to the end
of the third where I've gone from zero shares to
some shares because when it was a two round difference
between him and somebody like Lamar, I'm going with the field.
But as that kind of shrinks you mentioned it, and
then lasting for Alan Jake is when the chips are down,
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Josh Allen goes total Superman right in the cold Weather
when we need him the most in the fantasy playoffs,
when games are tight and the win is a must,
he does it all. He puts the entire team and
our fantasy team on his back. So I love that
As a big stack. I'm starting to come around to it. Yeah,
James Cook, we just keep doubting this guy. He just
keeps being great for fantasy. Your medium stack, Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
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This one is really really interesting. Again, I don't want
to step on any that you have, so just take
it away with the Bucks. Is your favorite medium price stack.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, if I'm going in on the Bucks, I'm very
conscientious about who from the Bucks I am leaning into.
So with Baker Mayfield, who's going in the eleventh round
right now, I think one hundred and twenty sixth overall
QB twenty thereabouts, I am going to take his primary
pass catcher in my view, who's going earlier than the
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other guys. So everybody agrees with me on this. It's
a mecha Agbuka who's going in the fourth round forty
fourth or overall. He's the wide receiver twenty. You have
Chris Godwin who's going about four rounds later. I know,
some folks are more interested in Chris Godwin. Me I
believe fully in a mecca Agbuka, And I also want
to add Kenny Gainwell onto this, who's in the ninth round.
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He's RB thirty six, Buck Irving. We've talked a lot
about this. John is just not somebody that I'm interested
in rolling the dice on right now. There's just a
lot of question marks surrounding him. He's going as RB twenty.
He's much earlier in the drafts than Kenny Gainwell. But
I think my take on this boils down to twenty
twenty five was a bad year. It was a down
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year for Baker and for the Bucks in general. But
this context, it just feels like it's slipping by the
consensus streets. Right now, we look at a mecca at BUCA.
He did not end the season well at all last year,
but his first five games, the dude was on a heater.
He had four hundred and forty five yards and five touchdowns.
The following week he gets derailed by a hamstring injury,
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and it felt like his season kind of fell apart
right then and there. He had a couple of spike
weeks later on, but nothing like what we saw early on. Now,
despite that, and despite Mike Evans and Chris Godwin missing
a combined seventeen games a full season betwixt them, and
despite Baker Mayfield suffering a shoulder injury in Week twelve
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wasn't his throwing shoulder, but still, Baker still clawed his
way into the in both passing yards and passing touchdowns.
So if we can get a healthy Baker, if we
can get a healthy receiving cores. Plus we have a
new offensive coordinator coming in, Zach Robinson, who kind of
helped turn Atlanta's dire QB situation into at least something respectable.
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I think we're just looking at a big resurgence for
this offense overall. Again, Bucky Irving has his own question marks,
Chris Godwin a little too old and just unreliable at
this stage in his career for me, But a Mecca
Buka and Baker and Kenny Gainwell, heck, if you want
to go super late with Kate Otten, that's not my flavor,
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but I could be talked into it probably. I just
think that this is a situation we should exploit, and
this is a nice, comfortable adp all around for these guys.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I love that call out bucks were my favorite medium,
and I pivoted off it so we'd have two different
ones to talk about. My favorite part of this is
and we've kind of come through a lot of the
same conclusions. I don't want to repeat because I agree
with everything you've said. You took what could be an
expensive stack and have molded it into a more palatable one,
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and I think you're making all the right moves. We
talk about quarterbacks, they're extremely cheap this year, and that's
the other side to the Josh Allen Coyn. You know, listen,
you know what you're getting with Alan bunch of ceiling.
But man, there are gonna be guys like Baker that
are on the waiver wire to stream. Even in QB
one leagues, there's so many viable quarterbacks. I love the
egg Buka pick. We're gonna have to talk about him
and another one when me tackle risers. You know me,
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I keep my eye on just about everything in this industry,
and he's been going as high as the second round
in some of the very high stakes leagues. So ameca
eg Buka is one of the early ADP breakouts, one
of the big steam picks one of the big helium picks.
So just be prepared people. I'm with you right now
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on at book. I've been drafting everywhere. ADP forty five
is a smash, but be prepared if that sorts of
creepy to the thirties, how you're gonna react, I'm not sure.
I feel you know. I'm off irving. I went through
that last year and worried about the injuries. Plus it
wasn't just lower body, and it's shoulder. Those are really
difficult want to heal from. They reaggivate easily, and you
need it every time you take a hit and get
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slammed to the floor, shoulders for running backs or a
rough injury. It's not something we talk about a lot.
Last thing I was hoping that you get to was
another one of the wide receivers. I agree, I don't
think it's otten, but there's a lot of love for
the other wide outs. I we're locked up on Godwin.
I'm finding Ted Hurst moving up boards, Jalen McMillan moving
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down boards. My argument for McMillan is pretty simple. Even
anytime he's been hurt in miss games, he's always come
back and forced his way onto the field and produced
even last year, which was a down year, eighteen percent
target pro route, more than two yards per out run,
almost fifteen yards perception. Like he's been effective. He's good
in tight spaces. Do you have a take on that,
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Like I'm buying Hurst, I'm buying excuse me, McMillan on
the down and Hurst is like a last round pick
for buccaneer stacks. But do you think that's misplaced? Because
you know, sometimes I can get myself into trouble, Jake,
I'm not really onto the rookies, So I guess what
do you think about Hurst? Do you think is he
is he a day one ready to produce in the
NFL type guy?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well, John, I think that the ascending versus descending ADPs
for this guys is one of these prime examples of
not everything that said during the off season or during
OTAs is something that we should latch onto. But it
feels like people have because that's what was coming out
from training camp early on was Ted Hurst. Look at
this guy, Dynamo Wild, He's a whiz, He's the next
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Mike Evans. And JAYL McMillan was Jayleen McMillan was being
put as the odd man out. It was, well, what's
gonna happen because Abuka is gonna be on the field
and Godwin's gonna be on the field, and if Hurst
is the other guy on the field, where does McMillan
come into play? But it was never explicitly stated by
the Bucks that that was the case. It was just
kind of this weird interpretation by people taking a little
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bit of training camp pipe surrounding the rookie and then
just kind of over extrapolating.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's what I think happened.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I like Ted Hurst. I think he can be a
great success story. I like him in Dynasty. I'm not
gonna bite, especially because he is going up draft boards
in his rookie year.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, if we're placing Godwin as more of a slot
based role player and we like the buccaneer offense, there
are gonna be, you know, Z receiver routes by the boatload,
and I want some of those. I'm hoping that McMillan.
And again, he's cheap, all right, next up, it's your
cheapest stack. Although I gotta take a second. We've had
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the words dynamo and betwixt mentioned in this episode, so
I just really had to. But I love the votecapyn.
I love to hang out with you, man. I know
we got a couple of smirks out there. So your
cheap stack, which is interesting Again we mentioned that you
and I were locks up in this one. Also, it's
a Green Bay Packers take it away with your favorite Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well, it feels bad to be calling the Packers a
cheap stack because I am a Packers fan and this
hurt my soul just a little bit as I was
looking through the ADPs on this guy, because what the
eightyp's on these guys suggest is that they're not going
to be a very explosive offense. Because the one guy
who has high ADP right now is Josh Jacobs, and ironically,
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that's the one guy on this team that I really
want to stay away from. So as a Packer with
the fan though, let me just lay it out like this,
I want this team to do well, but I have
a lot of I think, very legitimate concerns. Michael Parsons
isn't expecting to return to the defense until mid October.
That defense could be very rough without him. The backfield
is hanging by a thread, especially if any punishment actually
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comes out from these allegations against Josh Jacobs. The Packers
just have no proven depth whatsoever in the backfield. I've
been out on Jacobs even before the allegations, but I
would say this could force the Packers and Jordan Love
to lean into that passing game. With the defense and
the rough backfield. The efficiency for the passing has always
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been there with Jordan Love, but especially the last couple
of years. There were thirtieth and twenty seventh, respectively in
passing attempts the last two seasons, bottom of the barrel,
but they were top twelve in scoring through the air
in both of those seasons. They like to be aggressive,
They like to pick their spots with their aggression and
it works out. But more passes is still going to
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be a net win for Fantasy, even if the efficiency
goes down a little bit, which is reasonable. But Tucker
Craft is the most expensive guy in this stack that
I have, so I buried the lead. But my actual
Packer stack is going to be Tucker Craft tight end
going in the seventh round right now, seventy fourth overall.
I believe tight end seven is what we see in
the Fantasy Life aggregate ADP. Jordan Love going in the
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eleventh round. He's in Baker area basically. Then we have
Matthew Golden, who's the receiver that I want to hit
on in this offense. He's going in the eleventh round
as well. So you might have to make a decision
about grabbing Love or Golden around earlier or waiting and
hoping that one of these guys f aston X round.
But I'm also avoiding Christian Watson because frankly, he's rising
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up the boards too fast and I am still worried
about his injury history. But like we've talked about Tucker
craft a ton, he's just it feels like this is expensive.
But I think he should be going in the fourth,
fifth rounds if he is at all healthy. Because last
year among all pass catchers, Jean, he was top five
in yards per target, yack per reception, broken tackle rate,
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passer rating with target, not just among tight ends, among
every person catching passes in the NFL. He's a damn stud.
If he misses a couple of weeks, John, I will
just say give me a late round dart throat tight
end to fill in those couple of weeks. Or if
we think he's going to be a slow start, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more on Kraft. We've already spoke
about that. Nearly eleven yards after the catch per reception average,
a full first down after every catch. He's incredible, and
if he really is healthy, he's a game breaking pick
from the tight end position. I was actually hoping you'd
go into Golden a little bit more. I'm like watching
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for a lot of the obvious stuff you mentioned, dude,
But if you're not worried about the injury you're paying off,
you think they're gonna expand the rowtree and the packers
vacated a lot of targets. Talk to me about Golden
because he really is very polarizing. And I don't pretend
to know a lot about these guys. I try and
be very humble about them. But he really did not produce.
That doesn't mean we won't see second year leap. He's
got the draft capital. Is that as simple as the
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argument is price plus draft cattle? Or is there something
you've really seen from him? Do you think we can
get like a true breakout. I know he's got the speed.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I think Golden has one of the biggest sophomore jumps
of anyone from the twenty twenty five draft class lying
ahead of him. I really do, because he has so
much opportunity, not just because Romeo Dobson Dontavian Wicks are gone,
but because Green Bay does not give up on young talent,
sometimes to a fault. They will give their young talent,
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especially somebody drafted this highly, so many opportunities to fail.
I hope he doesn't need that many opportunities to fail,
because we did see him have a mini breakout, not
in the fantasy season, but in the true NFL playoffs.
In the one game that we got to see against Chicago,
it was kind of Golden neck and neck with Romeo Dobbs.
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He was the one that was lighting it up. I mean,
eighty four yards in a touchdown. It's not like, wow,
look at all those crazy stats, but it was a
respectable jump from where he'd been. But also, I think
Golden is the guy that's out there in two wide
receiver sets. Jaden Reid unfortunately, just does not strike me
as the guy who's going to be out there when
it's just two receivers on the field. So I think
it's Watson and golden or if Watson gets injured, then
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it's Golden and then maybe Jaden Reid steps up.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So yeah, just like the opportunity for him.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah. I put a lot of stock into the value
in continuity and repetitions. And I think you're getting that
you were saying before about Golden and Love going next
to each other. I would recommend, because I've been in
this spot quite a few times, always take Golden first.
There's really not a lot of push for Jordan Love
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if you don't have the other pieces. Of course, depends
when you're on the draft board. If the guy on
the turn maybe already has Watson, maybe then you do
want Love first, so you know a little bit of
nuance there. But I've been finding Love always does kind
of fall because he doesn't run a lot. Like you
mentioned those preseason productions. Very last thing I wanted to
mention about the Packers, and this is another good Future
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Show topic, was the anti pick. I've kind of mentioned
to you we're both not taking Josh Jacobs and he's
going really high, and then you mentioned the Packers allowing
guys to fail over and over again. And third, Marshawn Lloyd,
one of my favorite late running backpicks who checks all
those boxes. He's extremely cheap. He feels like the direct backup.
And it's only been health. They've talked about a new
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training regiment and say he looks great and the reports
are glaring. So if it's injuries from a last round
pick with a player who could be on a good offense, yeah,
or I'm drafting Lloyd almost everywhere. All right, those are
your stacks. That was really good. Hopefully I can keep
up with mine. Let me just shuffle a quick paper,
mister Jake, and I'll get back to you one second.
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All right, and we're back. Second half of the show.
My stacks. I think we get through these a little
bit quicker my first one, Jake. The expensive stack is
the Ravens. I put deck Lynn Doyle in giant bold letters.
I love these young wonder kin Ocs. He's off the
Ben Johnson tree, and remember they were second in plays
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run per game. So I think we're getting a total
boost across the board for the Ravens. Lamar Jackson good
at football, has that for detailed analysis. All kidding aside.
Before he got hurt weeks one through three, he was
the QB one over twenty seven fantasy points per game,
twelve percent ahead of somebody needed Josh Allen, So there
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is still a ceiling for Lamar Jackson. I think if
he's healthy, that's the best way to get there, and
I've been pairing him with Zay Flowers. People have been
complaining about the red zone equity. He had five end
zone targets last year, second behind only Mark Andrews. Also
split on off splits with Lamar Zay Flowers twenty five
percent target per route, almost three yours for our own
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two point nine to six. That is elite, elite, elite.
And then Andrews the stalwart who I think is gonna
be a big part of the passing offense. Now I
am fading Derrick Henry. I think he's fine. I'm worried
about the age, and I don't like that he gets
scripted out of games. To me, that's too expensive to
have a running back that doesn't catch passes. So me,
the Baltimore's pretty straightforward. You tap double tapping early Lamar
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and Zay and forgetting about it until the one thirties,
where I think you're getting Mark Andrews, who to me
feels like a smash tight end one, maybe not the
overall tiny one, but I think he's easily a top
six tight end. He's gonna be a pop for a
touchdown every single week. What do you think about the
Ravens as expensive stack.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I was very close to listing them as my own
expensive stack, and I'm glad to hear that we're in
lockstep about Derrick Henry. It might feel just foolish at
this point because it's been so many years of doubting
him and he just continues to pay off. But eventually
the law of averages, John says that we will be
right about Derrick Henry if we just continue to fade him.
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Hopefully it is I mean not hopefully this year. I
want to see this guy crush obviously, I will say.
The only other piece of this that I might be
interested for the Raven stack is actually waiting instead of
going with Derrick Henry. If I wait until the very
end of drafts to scoop up Justice Hill, who is
the predominant backup there and also does catch a lot
of passes or has been used that way in the past.
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With the new offensive coordinator, new offensive scheme, he might
get more involved this year.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, I do have one more question for you on
the prospect front. I've been trying to take advantage of
this Raven stack who have been dead for I was
gonna say for a wide receiver too. They've been desperate
for a wide receiver, you know, kind of one prototypical.
But now Zay has opened up. Let's say he's that
Rashaan Bateman. It just hasn't happened. I think he had
one game with more than two catches last year, lots
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and lots of goose eggs, and then we've had injuries also.
So the question I after you is weird, So I
guess it's twofold. It's whether or not you have a
take on either or both of the rookie wideouts the
Ravens drafted. That would be Elijah Sarat middle of the
fourth round out of Indiana, and then Jacoby Lane a
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little bit taller, a little bit lighter, third round out
of usc The reason I mentioned that, and this doesn't
happen often, it did happen last year with the Titans,
who I mean, we cared a lot less about with
Ayamnor and Shamiri Dka meaning the wide receiver drafted second
is actually going earlier, be careful with the consensus. As
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great as that fladp pages that really is fantastic hashtag
I love dark Mode. I'm in these draft rooms and
it's Sarat that's getting drafted in almost every draft at
the end, even in eighteen rounders where Lean has it
necessarily gone. Do you think the market is correct? Do
you think their incorrection would be taking one both of neither,
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because I kind of need that answer.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well, John, I wish that I could give you a
concrete answer, but I did write ups on these guys
for rookie drafts, and I basically put them back to
back in my rookie drafts for Dynasty because I have
no idea. I don't know that the Ravens know just
yet what their intentions are. Maybe maybe they went ahead
and drafted a guy in the third round because they
really liked him as a they liked just blocking or
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something that they saw in college. I didn't see enough
of a discrepancy between them talent wise to say one
or the others, So I say, take your pick if
you can get either of them at the end. In
best Ball, especially, my advice would be to go against consensus,
take the guy who is not getting drafted as much
because it has a bigger chance to differ pat and payout.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
That's a great call. Being unique at the end of
those large field tournaments makes a big difference. It's hard
to take them both because then you have to plan
your roster construction around banking on even one, zero, maybe two.
And those of us who was drafted beatment in the
past not what that feels like. So yeah, the Ravens,
I think there's a lot of potential there. My next one,
my middle one. This one was my favorite one because
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you know, Jake, I do basebork also a lot of
data ranks, projections and spreadsheets galore. So I love when
things are nice and neat and fit where they belong, right,
there's nothing better than that for somebody like me. And
it's the Commanders, and it's just it's everything you love.
They have a stud quarterback who's going at a nice price,
shading Daniels QB three, which I think this is worth
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noting QB three ADP sixty three when if we had
the QB three go all the way back in the sixties.
And there's again another great argument against the Josh Allen
and Lamar Jackstion picks because Daniels could be come. We've
seen him two years ago be a top five quarterback
on a per game point scoring basis. So Daniel slot's
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in right easy QB one. Terry McLaurin Wide receiver twenty three.
The thing I'm into here is the new OC David Blow.
That name again is mister Blow. Was talking about moving
McLaurin in and out of the rotation, which really is
the skeleton key. When Cede Lamb began playing a little
bit out of the slot, he takes off. We've seen
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him for already, Nico Collins and oh Man, Drake London.
It's just it's everybody that's the key. Get getting your
best player lay up targets where he has room to
kind of run and take advantage of a bad matchup.
So if McLaurin is gonna be one of those guys,
he could be a you know, true wide receiver one.
Because there isn't a lot of target cump. You have
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Rashad White, We've talked about him, great bonus, a little
better between the tackles and give it credit for plus
very good in the past game. Jayden Daniel's very good
with that RPO stuff. Then Chigakonquo super talented, extremely cheap
ADP one point fifty outside of the tight end once
his price is a tight end. Two, he's a physical freak.
The drum beats out of camp are fantastic, and I
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don't even think he needs to be an eighty percent
rap participation guy to succeed. So the Commanders again, just
everything kind of fits neatly, and even Antonio Williams, who
I haven't drafted, but it's because I was kind of
portending this brand, that Ayuk thing. But as we get
closer and he gets crazier, the probability of it affecting
us early in the season, I think is shrinking. So
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I think now Antonio Williams looks like he could have
a roll right out of the box. So I want
to make sure that you when you talk about the Commanders,
highlight Antonio Williams again. You see I like to I've
been exporting my prospect work to you, and you're doing
such a good job with this, So give us at
least one more.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I will say with Antonio Williams, the only question is
are the Washington Commanders ever going to be good at
drafting wide receivers again, because it hasn't been a long
time for this organization to have somebody who can step
in and deliver, not just on Day one, but in
day six hundred and one. Like it's it's been a
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long time going. Anybody who's still holding onto their shares
of Luke McCaffrey knows the pain that I'm talking about
with this. Antonio Williams, John, You've acknowledged that you are.
But I do think Antonio Williams has the qualities that
you look for in a competent number two. Not somebody's
gonna ever dream about shining Terry McLaurin and probably not
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going to be as heavily utilized as Deebo Samuel was
in this same offense, but I do think he can
return fantasy value for you at the very end of
your drafts. So I mean, I like to call overall,
I'm more skeptical about Terry McLaurin than you are, which
leads me into Antonio Williams just a little bit more
for that reason.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, I think that's fair. I mean, mclaurin's had his
ups and down. Team's very good with Daniels also, and
again you know you signed a lot of the same stuff,
but it's to me, it's the stuff that matters. I
think it's the stuff that tests out. McLaurin last year
twenty three percent target p route almost two and a
quarter yards per route, run over fifteen yards perception. And
again that was all outside, right, you know, kind of
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very predictably in the same spot all the time. I
understand where you're coming from. To me, it's very much
a pricing also, right ADP Fifty four. If if mclaurn
is moving up a full round, I'm saying no, because
there's a great clump of wide receivers. I think that's
a very popular take this this year, where you know
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Waddle and Birden, there's a lot of really good players
all going at that like three four spot. So I've
been ending up with McLaurin, especially when I have my
eye on Daniels, who I think again is a steal
at sixty three. All right, My last stack, this one's
interesting because at one point it was my favorite expensive stack,
then it's become my favorite cheap stack. That's the Las
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Vegas Raiders. There's a couple of ways to skin this
cat without scratch and it's behind, as my grandfather used
to say, because you could go. Obviously, Ashton genty RB
five brought Bowers tight end one. I'm drafting them both,
but I'm treating them more as standalone pieces. The stack
that I like, mister Jake. My backdoor stack has been
Fredanda Mendoza outside picked one seventy. People are not interested
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because they're afraid he might not be starting taking jail
and Naylor, who has been inefficient but I think was
a victim of bad quarterback play. He also got the
bag three year contract over thirty five million. The drum
beat from camp is very high on him and my
piece the resistance this year has been drafting Michael Meyer
on every single team the Raiders brought a new head coach,
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Clinton Kubiak. He's usually around top six or seventh most
two tight end formations. I led with them not being
wide receiver talent. Here he broke all the Notre Dame
tight end records. He's a very good player. In fact,
I thought the Bauer pick was kind of crazy after
getting Mayor, but we've also seen him step into a
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big time contingency role. So I think there's a really
cool backstack for the Raiders, where it's all everything after
you know you're in the fifteenth round. After maybe it's
more of a best ball thing. But I think there's
a little bit of redraft value. I wouldn't start Nayler
week one, but I'll tell you I'd love to have
him on my bench and my mayor. You're not starting,
but Mendozho makes a good bench QB two. Right, let's
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say you waited, you drafted a Kyler Murray and maybe
he disappointed, or a Jackson Dart and he disappointed. Right.
I wouldn't be supplementing Josh Allen and Lamar, but I
think you know, there's some cheap pieces in Las Vegas
where maybe they won't be so icky. Having fixed that
offensive line, What do you think about the Raiders?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
We were doing so well, John, you and me, we
were so in sync this whole episode, and then you
spring this on me.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I think there's pieces for the Raiders that do make sense,
and some of the guys that you highlighted, even you know,
Michael Mayer.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I really do like that pick.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I think Michael Mayer is maybe a forgotten man because
of everything that's happened. We should also note that there's
been some injury stuff going on the last couple of
years that's just kind of baked into this whole gross pie.
But you're right if we don't believe in the wide
receivers like I don't, because you're talking about Jaalen Naylor
and it's just not somebody I can get myself to
click draft on. There has to be somebody else catching
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this ball besides just Bauers and Genty. So yeah, why
not go with Michael Mayer whose ADP is basically non
existent in there?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Now?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I can't get on board with the quarterback John That's
the one thing I just can't do for a redraft. Now,
for best ball, different story, but for a redraft, I
just don't want to take a guy who might sit
on my bench for three, four, five plus weeks just
depending on the teams.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Rupt you really quick percentage chance he starts week.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
One, the percenta chance I would say ten. You know,
Kirk Cousins, something would have to happen drastic to him,
I think because they did give him real money, and
I think it's going to be like a Jackson Dart
situation for Mendoza, like last year where they brought Russell
out for at least a couple of games. I think
we're looking at that same thing.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I do have to leave with one more rookie question
before we go. Of course, the big drum beat from
Vegas camp has been Malik Benson. Who man. I just
have to admit, but I don't know who these people are.
And I'm sorry, mister Benson. I'm looking forward to drafting
you in the very near future. But the sixth round
pick out of Oregon has actually been you know, coach speak.
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I try to go too crazy into it, but when
guys are being mentioned first and often in every presser,
in a situation, Jake, where we don't love the white out,
it's right to be different. If he was behind, you know,
if you're behind pickings and you're behind, you know, ceedee lamb.
We're not expecting any breakout here. The Raiders would be
on the short list of teams where a rookie could
play his way right into the starting lineup in week one.
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I know people are drafting Trey Tucker. I put route
merchant and not to be mean, Bud, He's a guy
that's gotten so many opportunities, you know, Tucker. I think
I don't think it was last year, but the year
before I think he led the league in routes run
because he was a very popular league basketball pick for
the volume. But at a certain point you've got to
do something. Fifteen percent target per route, just over one
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yard per route run and again all those routes and
just earning like five targets a game. I mean, I
think Tucker could get replaced. And I mean again, I
don't know if Nail is gonna be the answer. Do
you know anything about benchon could we take him as
a twentieth rounder?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I know nothing about Benson, I'll be honest, zero zip,
nada about Benson.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
But you nailed the most important part, which is.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
This team is starved for any wide receiver to step up,
So why not? Why can't We don't think he can
beat out Jack Besh? You know we don't think he
can beat out for any Sorry, respectfully, these are all
NFL players.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
But yes, that can absolutely happen. So I'm fine. If
you want to take a stab on this guy super late.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well I think I could tell you why. You probably
haven't heard him. There wasn't a lot of college production,
and that's usually what you're looking for the first thing
I'm looking for or it's predictive. So he's topped out
in his third year. That was with Oregon. So we
played with three different schools in three years. They're good
schools Alabama, Florida State, and Oregon. So it's nice to
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be wanted by people who are good at what they do.
But again, he's never topped. Forty three catches was the
most he went thirteen twenty five forty three catches, one
sixty three hundred and seven nineteen receiving yards, one one
and six touchdowns. I mean, maybe they see something that
I don't, but it feels like a little bit of
a long shot. So we had it. We felt a
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little bit of a little bit of controversy there with
the Raiders, but I'm gonna contend that they could get
the job done for your late stack. So that'll do
it for this offseason edition of Fantasy Football Weekly. Jake,
I love doing this show so much for you guys, everyone,
Thank you for listening. We really do appreciate the support
and no, feel free to hit us up on social
media with any feedback. Thanks for listening and enjoy your weekend.
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I don't know, no, I don't know, no. One know
you'll know what you will do.
Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
What's up and welcome back another offseason edition of Fantasy
Football Weekly with your host and faithful that Raider, John mcgeza,
and my friend and yours, mister Jake Trowbridge. How are you, buddy?
I already scolded you for taking me away from live
drafts for the first time for an hour since the
last time we spoke a week ago. How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
How dare i? John?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I not be more considered that, But you know what
tip for tat hey man, we're coming up on fourth
of July weekend. You took me away from doing my
annual watch of Beavis and butt Head do America.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So how about that? Take that? My wife wants to
know your secret to get me away from the draft rooms.
It's that time year. To me, it's the best time
the draft has happened. ADP's are set and now it's
a matter of the market just kind of hashing things out.
I always fought moves interesting because most of the time
nothing's really happened. Right now, I want a table of
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future discussion. We've gotta get this note down for just that,
like how news can drive prices without anything happening. I'm
thinking of Darien Price. I don't know if you saw
the Twitter streets were on fire after a beat report.
Maybe we'll get to that next week. Again, nothing's happening.
That story will be there this week. Topic of hand,
mister Drake, our favorite stacks. This is a great idea.
We're gonna do our favorite expensive, medium priced right, and
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then cheap stacks. Let's start with yours. It's the Buffalo Bills,
your expensive stack. Take it away.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, John, When I was looking at this, I realize
that I'm not somebody whoever drafts quarterback early these days.
But I figure, if we're gonna go expensive, let's just
go all in. So I'm going with the bills, as
in dollar bills, as in holy crap, that truly is expensive.
Because Josh Allen is going in the early third round.
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He's twenty sixth overall, he's the QB, and I'm also
gonna go ahead and stack him up with James Cook,
who is going in the first round ninth overall.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
He's the RB. Five off the board.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I'm all in on this rushing package from the Bills,
because no one in the NFL currently prioritizes the run
game quite like Joe Brady, who went from being the
offensive coordinator who really got James Cook going. Now he's
the head coach. I can't imagine he's gonna back off
of the running aspect of this. Now that he is
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head coach, he's still play calling. He has even more
control though over the situation. But the Bills, I mean,
they've just averaged a ton of rushing yards. They were,
I believe, first in the league last year in rushing
yards per game and second in yards per rush. Between everybody,
I don't really I don't really care about anybody else
in the backfield. You know, last week, John, we talked
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about all these money backfields and confusing backfields. This one's
just very clear cut to me. It is James Cook
as the leading running back, and then his you know,
handcuff or the vulture at the goal line is his quarterback,
Josh Allen. So these are the only two guys that
I really care now. I understand though, John, and this
was hard for me to do. Because of this, You're
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gonna miss some quality players in the third round by
taking Josh Allen there's just no escaping it. And in fact,
one of my stacks later is gonna make up for
that if I weren't gonna go in this direction.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
But it's just Josh Allen is a fantasy freak.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I think we can agree on that he's had six
seasons straight, or he's a top two fantasy quarterback. It's
just not a thing that happens anymore. And it's because
of that elite, elite upside. I know some folks might
want to go out there and maybe you do too, John,
I don't know, and maybe stack an actual pass catcher
with this team. Maybe you want to go for DJ Moore,
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maybe you like Dalton Kincaid as a late tight end.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Those guys just don't really do much for me.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I want the quarterback who's gonna average one hundred rush attempts.
It's probably not going to miss a game fingers crossed.
I should have said that out loud, but he hasn't
missed one in the last six years.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And it just feels like the.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Way, if I'm going to go all in early, give
me these fantasy freaks.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
What do you think about these guys?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, I mean, you don't have to twist my arm
to convince me the bill should be prolific. And also
that's the trunk of the tree, right, the majority of
all the offense should funnel through them. I'm going to
try not to go on the tangent. I wrote down
a couple questions. Because I wrote down the Josh Allen question.
You kind of addressed it a little bit. And it's funny.
The market is reacting kind of weirdly. Josh Allen wound
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up front of the third, like you said, he's been
dropping to the back of the third. Now, I think
people are starting to buy back into him, and you
could see why we'd love that offense. You know, you
mentioned DJ Moore, and I don't think you necessarily need
to make him a part of the stack. The player
that I do like would probably be Dalton Kincaid. We'd
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mentioned it before. You know, he's going off the board
as the tight end twelve. That's ADP one't eighteen. We
mentioned it the other week. Twenty four percent target route
more than two and three quarters yard routes run, and
he's extremely cheap. So I like Kincaid stuck in there. Also,
I've heard some people mention not being able to stack
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Alan and Cook as if they cannibalize each other. Josh
Allen and James Cook on the same roster, however, so
I went and did a little digging on the weekly stuff,
and Alan and Cook just last year had six simultaneous
I was calling them top ten finishes right on the
same week intra week top ten finishes. However you want
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to describe that, so no, they can, and they have
produced together, So I'm all about that. I would be
fine avoiding more because it's a bit of a mystery
box at a high price. You could actually sell me
on Shakir being better than he was last year, not
having to carry the load of a number one receiver,
being able to work where he is very effective underneath.
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So I actually love that stack. And Josh Allen is expensive.
I was mentioned before he's fallen back to the end
of the third where I've gone from zero shares to
some shares because when it was a two round difference
between him and somebody like Lamar, I'm going with the field.
But as that kind of shrinks you mentioned it, and
then lasting for Alan Jake is when the chips are down,
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Josh Allen goes total Superman right in the cold Weather
when we need him the most in the fantasy playoffs,
when games are tight and the win is a must,
he does it all. He puts the entire team and
our fantasy team on his back. So I love that
As a big stack. I'm starting to come around to it. Yeah,
James Cook, we just keep doubting this guy. He just
keeps being great for fantasy. Your medium stack, Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
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This one is really really interesting. Again, I don't want
to step on any that you have, so just take
it away with the Bucks. Is your favorite medium price stack.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, if I'm going in on the Bucks, I'm very
conscientious about who from the Bucks I am leaning into.
So with Baker Mayfield, who's going in the eleventh round
right now, I think one hundred and twenty sixth overall
QB twenty thereabouts, I am going to take his primary
pass catcher in my view, who's going earlier than the
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other guys. So everybody agrees with me on this. It's
a mecha Agbuka who's going in the fourth round forty
fourth or overall. He's the wide receiver twenty. You have
Chris Godwin who's going about four rounds later. I know,
some folks are more interested in Chris Godwin. Me I
believe fully in a mecca Agbuka, And I also want
to add Kenny Gainwell onto this, who's in the ninth round.
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He's RB thirty six, Buck Irving. We've talked a lot
about this. John is just not somebody that I'm interested
in rolling the dice on right now. There's just a
lot of question marks surrounding him. He's going as RB twenty.
He's much earlier in the drafts than Kenny Gainwell. But
I think my take on this boils down to twenty
twenty five was a bad year. It was a down
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year for Baker and for the Bucks in general. But
this context, it just feels like it's slipping by the
consensus streets. Right now, we look at a mecca at BUCA.
He did not end the season well at all last year,
but his first five games, the dude was on a heater.
He had four hundred and forty five yards and five touchdowns.
The following week he gets derailed by a hamstring injury,
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and it felt like his season kind of fell apart
right then and there. He had a couple of spike
weeks later on, but nothing like what we saw early on. Now,
despite that, and despite Mike Evans and Chris Godwin missing
a combined seventeen games a full season betwixt them, and
despite Baker Mayfield suffering a shoulder injury in Week twelve
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wasn't his throwing shoulder, but still, Baker still clawed his
way into the in both passing yards and passing touchdowns.
So if we can get a healthy Baker, if we
can get a healthy receiving cores. Plus we have a
new offensive coordinator coming in, Zach Robinson, who kind of
helped turn Atlanta's dire QB situation into at least something respectable.
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I think we're just looking at a big resurgence for
this offense overall. Again, Bucky Irving has his own question marks,
Chris Godwin a little too old and just unreliable at
this stage in his career for me, But a Mecca
Buka and Baker and Kenny Gainwell, heck, if you want
to go super late with Kate Otten, that's not my flavor,
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but I could be talked into it probably. I just
think that this is a situation we should exploit, and
this is a nice, comfortable adp all around for these guys.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I love that call out bucks were my favorite medium,
and I pivoted off it so we'd have two different
ones to talk about. My favorite part of this is
and we've kind of come through a lot of the
same conclusions. I don't want to repeat because I agree
with everything you've said. You took what could be an
expensive stack and have molded it into a more palatable one,
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and I think you're making all the right moves. We
talk about quarterbacks, they're extremely cheap this year, and that's
the other side to the Josh Allen Coyn. You know, listen,
you know what you're getting with Alan bunch of ceiling.
But man, there are gonna be guys like Baker that
are on the waiver wire to stream. Even in QB
one leagues, there's so many viable quarterbacks. I love the
egg Buka pick. We're gonna have to talk about him
and another one when me tackle risers. You know me,
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I keep my eye on just about everything in this industry,
and he's been going as high as the second round
in some of the very high stakes leagues. So ameca
eg Buka is one of the early ADP breakouts, one
of the big steam picks one of the big helium picks.
So just be prepared people. I'm with you right now
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on at book. I've been drafting everywhere. ADP forty five
is a smash, but be prepared if that sorts of
creepy to the thirties, how you're gonna react, I'm not sure.
I feel you know. I'm off irving. I went through
that last year and worried about the injuries. Plus it
wasn't just lower body, and it's shoulder. Those are really
difficult want to heal from. They reaggivate easily, and you
need it every time you take a hit and get
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slammed to the floor, shoulders for running backs or a
rough injury. It's not something we talk about a lot.
Last thing I was hoping that you get to was
another one of the wide receivers. I agree, I don't
think it's otten, but there's a lot of love for
the other wide outs. I we're locked up on Godwin.
I'm finding Ted Hurst moving up boards, Jalen McMillan moving
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down boards. My argument for McMillan is pretty simple. Even
anytime he's been hurt in miss games, he's always come
back and forced his way onto the field and produced
even last year, which was a down year, eighteen percent
target pro route, more than two yards per out run,
almost fifteen yards perception. Like he's been effective. He's good
in tight spaces. Do you have a take on that,
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Like I'm buying Hurst, I'm buying excuse me, McMillan on
the down and Hurst is like a last round pick
for buccaneer stacks. But do you think that's misplaced? Because
you know, sometimes I can get myself into trouble, Jake,
I'm not really onto the rookies, So I guess what
do you think about Hurst? Do you think is he
is he a day one ready to produce in the
NFL type guy?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well, John, I think that the ascending versus descending ADPs
for this guys is one of these prime examples of
not everything that said during the off season or during
OTAs is something that we should latch onto. But it
feels like people have because that's what was coming out
from training camp early on was Ted Hurst. Look at
this guy, Dynamo Wild, He's a whiz, He's the next
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Mike Evans. And JAYL McMillan was Jayleen McMillan was being
put as the odd man out. It was, well, what's
gonna happen because Abuka is gonna be on the field
and Godwin's gonna be on the field, and if Hurst
is the other guy on the field, where does McMillan
come into play? But it was never explicitly stated by
the Bucks that that was the case. It was just
kind of this weird interpretation by people taking a little
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bit of training camp pipe surrounding the rookie and then
just kind of over extrapolating.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's what I think happened.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I like Ted Hurst. I think he can be a
great success story. I like him in Dynasty. I'm not
gonna bite, especially because he is going up draft boards
in his rookie year.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, if we're placing Godwin as more of a slot
based role player and we like the buccaneer offense, there
are gonna be, you know, Z receiver routes by the boatload,
and I want some of those. I'm hoping that McMillan.
And again, he's cheap, all right, next up, it's your
cheapest stack. Although I gotta take a second. We've had
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the words dynamo and betwixt mentioned in this episode, so
I just really had to. But I love the votecapyn.
I love to hang out with you, man. I know
we got a couple of smirks out there. So your
cheap stack, which is interesting Again we mentioned that you
and I were locks up in this one. Also, it's
a Green Bay Packers take it away with your favorite Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well, it feels bad to be calling the Packers a
cheap stack because I am a Packers fan and this
hurt my soul just a little bit as I was
looking through the ADPs on this guy, because what the
eightyp's on these guys suggest is that they're not going
to be a very explosive offense. Because the one guy
who has high ADP right now is Josh Jacobs, and ironically,
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that's the one guy on this team that I really
want to stay away from. So as a Packer with
the fan though, let me just lay it out like this,
I want this team to do well, but I have
a lot of I think, very legitimate concerns. Michael Parsons
isn't expecting to return to the defense until mid October.
That defense could be very rough without him. The backfield
is hanging by a thread, especially if any punishment actually
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comes out from these allegations against Josh Jacobs. The Packers
just have no proven depth whatsoever in the backfield. I've
been out on Jacobs even before the allegations, but I
would say this could force the Packers and Jordan Love
to lean into that passing game. With the defense and
the rough backfield. The efficiency for the passing has always
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been there with Jordan Love, but especially the last couple
of years. There were thirtieth and twenty seventh, respectively in
passing attempts the last two seasons, bottom of the barrel,
but they were top twelve in scoring through the air
in both of those seasons. They like to be aggressive,
They like to pick their spots with their aggression and
it works out. But more passes is still going to
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be a net win for Fantasy, even if the efficiency
goes down a little bit, which is reasonable. But Tucker
Craft is the most expensive guy in this stack that
I have, so I buried the lead. But my actual
Packer stack is going to be Tucker Craft tight end
going in the seventh round right now, seventy fourth overall.
I believe tight end seven is what we see in
the Fantasy Life aggregate ADP. Jordan Love going in the
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eleventh round. He's in Baker area basically. Then we have
Matthew Golden, who's the receiver that I want to hit
on in this offense. He's going in the eleventh round
as well. So you might have to make a decision
about grabbing Love or Golden around earlier or waiting and
hoping that one of these guys f aston X round.
But I'm also avoiding Christian Watson because frankly, he's rising
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up the boards too fast and I am still worried
about his injury history. But like we've talked about Tucker
craft a ton, he's just it feels like this is expensive.
But I think he should be going in the fourth,
fifth rounds if he is at all healthy. Because last
year among all pass catchers, Jean, he was top five
in yards per target, yack per reception, broken tackle rate,
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passer rating with target, not just among tight ends, among
every person catching passes in the NFL. He's a damn stud.
If he misses a couple of weeks, John, I will
just say give me a late round dart throat tight
end to fill in those couple of weeks. Or if
we think he's going to be a slow start, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more on Kraft. We've already spoke
about that. Nearly eleven yards after the catch per reception average,
a full first down after every catch. He's incredible, and
if he really is healthy, he's a game breaking pick
from the tight end position. I was actually hoping you'd
go into Golden a little bit more. I'm like watching
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for a lot of the obvious stuff you mentioned, dude,
But if you're not worried about the injury you're paying off,
you think they're gonna expand the rowtree and the packers
vacated a lot of targets. Talk to me about Golden
because he really is very polarizing. And I don't pretend
to know a lot about these guys. I try and
be very humble about them. But he really did not produce.
That doesn't mean we won't see second year leap. He's
got the draft capital. Is that as simple as the
(17:36):
argument is price plus draft cattle? Or is there something
you've really seen from him? Do you think we can
get like a true breakout. I know he's got the speed.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I think Golden has one of the biggest sophomore jumps
of anyone from the twenty twenty five draft class lying
ahead of him. I really do, because he has so
much opportunity, not just because Romeo Dobson Dontavian Wicks are gone,
but because Green Bay does not give up on young talent,
sometimes to a fault. They will give their young talent,
(18:03):
especially somebody drafted this highly, so many opportunities to fail.
I hope he doesn't need that many opportunities to fail,
because we did see him have a mini breakout, not
in the fantasy season, but in the true NFL playoffs.
In the one game that we got to see against Chicago,
it was kind of Golden neck and neck with Romeo Dobbs.
(18:24):
He was the one that was lighting it up. I mean,
eighty four yards in a touchdown. It's not like, wow,
look at all those crazy stats, but it was a
respectable jump from where he'd been. But also, I think
Golden is the guy that's out there in two wide
receiver sets. Jaden Reid unfortunately, just does not strike me
as the guy who's going to be out there when
it's just two receivers on the field. So I think
it's Watson and golden or if Watson gets injured, then
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it's Golden and then maybe Jaden Reid steps up.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So yeah, just like the opportunity for him.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah. I put a lot of stock into the value
in continuity and repetitions. And I think you're getting that
you were saying before about Golden and Love going next
to each other. I would recommend, because I've been in
this spot quite a few times, always take Golden first.
There's really not a lot of push for Jordan Love
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if you don't have the other pieces. Of course, depends
when you're on the draft board. If the guy on
the turn maybe already has Watson, maybe then you do
want Love first, so you know a little bit of
nuance there. But I've been finding Love always does kind
of fall because he doesn't run a lot. Like you
mentioned those preseason productions. Very last thing I wanted to
mention about the Packers, and this is another good Future
(19:33):
Show topic, was the anti pick. I've kind of mentioned
to you we're both not taking Josh Jacobs and he's
going really high, and then you mentioned the Packers allowing
guys to fail over and over again. And third, Marshawn Lloyd,
one of my favorite late running backpicks who checks all
those boxes. He's extremely cheap. He feels like the direct backup.
And it's only been health. They've talked about a new
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training regiment and say he looks great and the reports
are glaring. So if it's injuries from a last round
pick with a player who could be on a good offense, yeah,
or I'm drafting Lloyd almost everywhere. All right, those are
your stacks. That was really good. Hopefully I can keep
up with mine. Let me just shuffle a quick paper,
mister Jake, and I'll get back to you one second.
(20:19):
All right, and we're back. Second half of the show.
My stacks. I think we get through these a little
bit quicker my first one, Jake. The expensive stack is
the Ravens. I put deck Lynn Doyle in giant bold letters.
I love these young wonder kin Ocs. He's off the
Ben Johnson tree, and remember they were second in plays
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run per game. So I think we're getting a total
boost across the board for the Ravens. Lamar Jackson good
at football, has that for detailed analysis. All kidding aside.
Before he got hurt weeks one through three, he was
the QB one over twenty seven fantasy points per game,
twelve percent ahead of somebody needed Josh Allen, So there
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is still a ceiling for Lamar Jackson. I think if
he's healthy, that's the best way to get there, and
I've been pairing him with Zay Flowers. People have been
complaining about the red zone equity. He had five end
zone targets last year, second behind only Mark Andrews. Also
split on off splits with Lamar Zay Flowers twenty five
percent target per route, almost three yours for our own
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two point nine to six. That is elite, elite, elite.
And then Andrews the stalwart who I think is gonna
be a big part of the passing offense. Now I
am fading Derrick Henry. I think he's fine. I'm worried
about the age, and I don't like that he gets
scripted out of games. To me, that's too expensive to
have a running back that doesn't catch passes. So me,
the Baltimore's pretty straightforward. You tap double tapping early Lamar
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and Zay and forgetting about it until the one thirties,
where I think you're getting Mark Andrews, who to me
feels like a smash tight end one, maybe not the
overall tiny one, but I think he's easily a top
six tight end. He's gonna be a pop for a
touchdown every single week. What do you think about the
Ravens as expensive stack.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I was very close to listing them as my own
expensive stack, and I'm glad to hear that we're in
lockstep about Derrick Henry. It might feel just foolish at
this point because it's been so many years of doubting
him and he just continues to pay off. But eventually
the law of averages, John says that we will be
right about Derrick Henry if we just continue to fade him.
(22:25):
Hopefully it is I mean not hopefully this year. I
want to see this guy crush obviously, I will say.
The only other piece of this that I might be
interested for the Raven stack is actually waiting instead of
going with Derrick Henry. If I wait until the very
end of drafts to scoop up Justice Hill, who is
the predominant backup there and also does catch a lot
of passes or has been used that way in the past.
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With the new offensive coordinator, new offensive scheme, he might
get more involved this year.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, I do have one more question for you on
the prospect front. I've been trying to take advantage of
this Raven stack who have been dead for I was
gonna say for a wide receiver too. They've been desperate
for a wide receiver, you know, kind of one prototypical.
But now Zay has opened up. Let's say he's that
Rashaan Bateman. It just hasn't happened. I think he had
one game with more than two catches last year, lots
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and lots of goose eggs, and then we've had injuries also.
So the question I after you is weird, So I
guess it's twofold. It's whether or not you have a
take on either or both of the rookie wideouts the
Ravens drafted. That would be Elijah Sarat middle of the
fourth round out of Indiana, and then Jacoby Lane a
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little bit taller, a little bit lighter, third round out
of usc The reason I mentioned that, and this doesn't
happen often, it did happen last year with the Titans,
who I mean, we cared a lot less about with
Ayamnor and Shamiri Dka meaning the wide receiver drafted second
is actually going earlier, be careful with the consensus. As
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great as that fladp pages that really is fantastic hashtag
I love dark Mode. I'm in these draft rooms and
it's Sarat that's getting drafted in almost every draft at
the end, even in eighteen rounders where Lean has it
necessarily gone. Do you think the market is correct? Do
you think their incorrection would be taking one both of neither,
(24:18):
because I kind of need that answer.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Well, John, I wish that I could give you a
concrete answer, but I did write ups on these guys
for rookie drafts, and I basically put them back to
back in my rookie drafts for Dynasty because I have
no idea. I don't know that the Ravens know just
yet what their intentions are. Maybe maybe they went ahead
and drafted a guy in the third round because they
really liked him as a they liked just blocking or
(24:43):
something that they saw in college. I didn't see enough
of a discrepancy between them talent wise to say one
or the others, So I say, take your pick if
you can get either of them at the end. In
best Ball, especially, my advice would be to go against consensus,
take the guy who is not getting drafted as much
because it has a bigger chance to differ pat and payout.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
That's a great call. Being unique at the end of
those large field tournaments makes a big difference. It's hard
to take them both because then you have to plan
your roster construction around banking on even one, zero, maybe two.
And those of us who was drafted beatment in the
past not what that feels like. So yeah, the Ravens,
I think there's a lot of potential there. My next one,
my middle one. This one was my favorite one because
(25:25):
you know, Jake, I do basebork also a lot of
data ranks, projections and spreadsheets galore. So I love when
things are nice and neat and fit where they belong, right,
there's nothing better than that for somebody like me. And
it's the Commanders, and it's just it's everything you love.
They have a stud quarterback who's going at a nice price,
shading Daniels QB three, which I think this is worth
(25:45):
noting QB three ADP sixty three when if we had
the QB three go all the way back in the sixties.
And there's again another great argument against the Josh Allen
and Lamar Jackstion picks because Daniels could be come. We've
seen him two years ago be a top five quarterback
on a per game point scoring basis. So Daniel slot's
(26:06):
in right easy QB one. Terry McLaurin Wide receiver twenty three.
The thing I'm into here is the new OC David Blow.
That name again is mister Blow. Was talking about moving
McLaurin in and out of the rotation, which really is
the skeleton key. When Cede Lamb began playing a little
bit out of the slot, he takes off. We've seen
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him for already, Nico Collins and oh Man, Drake London.
It's just it's everybody that's the key. Get getting your
best player lay up targets where he has room to
kind of run and take advantage of a bad matchup.
So if McLaurin is gonna be one of those guys,
he could be a you know, true wide receiver one.
Because there isn't a lot of target cump. You have
(26:49):
Rashad White, We've talked about him, great bonus, a little
better between the tackles and give it credit for plus
very good in the past game. Jayden Daniel's very good
with that RPO stuff. Then Chigakonquo super talented, extremely cheap
ADP one point fifty outside of the tight end once
his price is a tight end. Two, he's a physical freak.
The drum beats out of camp are fantastic, and I
(27:10):
don't even think he needs to be an eighty percent
rap participation guy to succeed. So the Commanders again, just
everything kind of fits neatly, and even Antonio Williams, who
I haven't drafted, but it's because I was kind of
portending this brand, that Ayuk thing. But as we get
closer and he gets crazier, the probability of it affecting
us early in the season, I think is shrinking. So
(27:33):
I think now Antonio Williams looks like he could have
a roll right out of the box. So I want
to make sure that you when you talk about the Commanders,
highlight Antonio Williams again. You see I like to I've
been exporting my prospect work to you, and you're doing
such a good job with this, So give us at
least one more.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I will say with Antonio Williams, the only question is
are the Washington Commanders ever going to be good at
drafting wide receivers again, because it hasn't been a long
time for this organization to have somebody who can step
in and deliver, not just on Day one, but in
day six hundred and one. Like it's it's been a
(28:08):
long time going. Anybody who's still holding onto their shares
of Luke McCaffrey knows the pain that I'm talking about
with this. Antonio Williams, John, You've acknowledged that you are.
But I do think Antonio Williams has the qualities that
you look for in a competent number two. Not somebody's
gonna ever dream about shining Terry McLaurin and probably not
(28:32):
going to be as heavily utilized as Deebo Samuel was
in this same offense, but I do think he can
return fantasy value for you at the very end of
your drafts. So I mean, I like to call overall,
I'm more skeptical about Terry McLaurin than you are, which
leads me into Antonio Williams just a little bit more
for that reason.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, I think that's fair. I mean, mclaurin's had his
ups and down. Team's very good with Daniels also, and
again you know you signed a lot of the same stuff,
but it's to me, it's the stuff that matters. I
think it's the stuff that tests out. McLaurin last year
twenty three percent target p route almost two and a
quarter yards per route, run over fifteen yards perception. And
again that was all outside, right, you know, kind of
(29:11):
very predictably in the same spot all the time. I
understand where you're coming from. To me, it's very much
a pricing also, right ADP Fifty four. If if mclaurn
is moving up a full round, I'm saying no, because
there's a great clump of wide receivers. I think that's
a very popular take this this year, where you know
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Waddle and Birden, there's a lot of really good players
all going at that like three four spot. So I've
been ending up with McLaurin, especially when I have my
eye on Daniels, who I think again is a steal
at sixty three. All right, My last stack, this one's
interesting because at one point it was my favorite expensive stack,
then it's become my favorite cheap stack. That's the Las
(29:54):
Vegas Raiders. There's a couple of ways to skin this
cat without scratch and it's behind, as my grandfather used
to say, because you could go. Obviously, Ashton genty RB
five brought Bowers tight end one. I'm drafting them both,
but I'm treating them more as standalone pieces. The stack
that I like, mister Jake. My backdoor stack has been
Fredanda Mendoza outside picked one seventy. People are not interested
(30:15):
because they're afraid he might not be starting taking jail
and Naylor, who has been inefficient but I think was
a victim of bad quarterback play. He also got the
bag three year contract over thirty five million. The drum
beat from camp is very high on him and my
piece the resistance this year has been drafting Michael Meyer
on every single team the Raiders brought a new head coach,
(30:37):
Clinton Kubiak. He's usually around top six or seventh most
two tight end formations. I led with them not being
wide receiver talent. Here he broke all the Notre Dame
tight end records. He's a very good player. In fact,
I thought the Bauer pick was kind of crazy after
getting Mayor, but we've also seen him step into a
(30:58):
big time contingency role. So I think there's a really
cool backstack for the Raiders, where it's all everything after
you know you're in the fifteenth round. After maybe it's
more of a best ball thing. But I think there's
a little bit of redraft value. I wouldn't start Nayler
week one, but I'll tell you I'd love to have
him on my bench and my mayor. You're not starting,
but Mendozho makes a good bench QB two. Right, let's
(31:19):
say you waited, you drafted a Kyler Murray and maybe
he disappointed, or a Jackson Dart and he disappointed. Right.
I wouldn't be supplementing Josh Allen and Lamar, but I
think you know, there's some cheap pieces in Las Vegas
where maybe they won't be so icky. Having fixed that
offensive line, What do you think about the Raiders?
Speaker 1 (31:36):
We were doing so well, John, you and me, we
were so in sync this whole episode, and then you
spring this on me.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I think there's pieces for the Raiders that do make sense,
and some of the guys that you highlighted, even you know,
Michael Mayer.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I really do like that pick.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I think Michael Mayer is maybe a forgotten man because
of everything that's happened. We should also note that there's
been some injury stuff going on the last couple of
years that's just kind of baked into this whole gross pie.
But you're right if we don't believe in the wide
receivers like I don't, because you're talking about Jaalen Naylor
and it's just not somebody I can get myself to
click draft on. There has to be somebody else catching
(32:15):
this ball besides just Bauers and Genty. So yeah, why
not go with Michael Mayer whose ADP is basically non
existent in there?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Now?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I can't get on board with the quarterback John That's
the one thing I just can't do for a redraft. Now,
for best ball, different story, but for a redraft, I
just don't want to take a guy who might sit
on my bench for three, four, five plus weeks just
depending on the teams.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Rupt you really quick percentage chance he starts week.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
One, the percenta chance I would say ten. You know,
Kirk Cousins, something would have to happen drastic to him,
I think because they did give him real money, and
I think it's going to be like a Jackson Dart
situation for Mendoza, like last year where they brought Russell
out for at least a couple of games. I think
we're looking at that same thing.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I do have to leave with one more rookie question
before we go. Of course, the big drum beat from
Vegas camp has been Malik Benson. Who man. I just
have to admit, but I don't know who these people are.
And I'm sorry, mister Benson. I'm looking forward to drafting
you in the very near future. But the sixth round
pick out of Oregon has actually been you know, coach speak.
(33:22):
I try to go too crazy into it, but when
guys are being mentioned first and often in every presser,
in a situation, Jake, where we don't love the white out,
it's right to be different. If he was behind, you know,
if you're behind pickings and you're behind, you know, ceedee lamb.
We're not expecting any breakout here. The Raiders would be
on the short list of teams where a rookie could
play his way right into the starting lineup in week one.
(33:45):
I know people are drafting Trey Tucker. I put route
merchant and not to be mean, Bud, He's a guy
that's gotten so many opportunities, you know, Tucker. I think
I don't think it was last year, but the year
before I think he led the league in routes run
because he was a very popular league basketball pick for
the volume. But at a certain point you've got to
do something. Fifteen percent target per route, just over one
(34:07):
yard per route run and again all those routes and
just earning like five targets a game. I mean, I
think Tucker could get replaced. And I mean again, I
don't know if Nail is gonna be the answer. Do
you know anything about benchon could we take him as
a twentieth rounder?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I know nothing about Benson, I'll be honest, zero zip,
nada about Benson.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
But you nailed the most important part, which is.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
This team is starved for any wide receiver to step up,
So why not? Why can't We don't think he can
beat out Jack Besh? You know we don't think he
can beat out for any Sorry, respectfully, these are all
NFL players.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
But yes, that can absolutely happen. So I'm fine. If
you want to take a stab on this guy super late.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well I think I could tell you why. You probably
haven't heard him. There wasn't a lot of college production,
and that's usually what you're looking for the first thing
I'm looking for or it's predictive. So he's topped out
in his third year. That was with Oregon. So we
played with three different schools in three years. They're good
schools Alabama, Florida State, and Oregon. So it's nice to
(35:12):
be wanted by people who are good at what they do.
But again, he's never topped. Forty three catches was the
most he went thirteen twenty five forty three catches, one
sixty three hundred and seven nineteen receiving yards, one one
and six touchdowns. I mean, maybe they see something that
I don't, but it feels like a little bit of
a long shot. So we had it. We felt a
(35:35):
little bit of a little bit of controversy there with
the Raiders, but I'm gonna contend that they could get
the job done for your late stack. So that'll do
it for this offseason edition of Fantasy Football Weekly. Jake,
I love doing this show so much for you guys, everyone,
Thank you for listening. We really do appreciate the support
and no, feel free to hit us up on social
media with any feedback. Thanks for listening and enjoy your weekend.
(36:02):
I don't know, no, I don't know, no. One know
you'll know what you will do.
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