July 13, 2024 • 32 mins
At this time last year, Thor Nystrom was pounding the table for super sleeper Puka Nacua. So we challenged Thor to come up with rookie deep sleepers from the 2024 class. Thor makes a case for 13 different rookies who have a chance to dramatically outperform their current draft position.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly
source for the nation's best fantasy football advice, speculation, and
whatever stupid stuff they decided to drop into the show. Now,
here's your host, Paul Charchion.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly. I'm Paul Charchian, joining me
this week co host.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Thor nystro Hey, buddy, it's time to talk rookies again.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
And we're so close to the season. Now you can
start to smell the tailgate.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
We're so close. Oh God, can't wait.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We're just weeks away, like two and a half weeks
away from training camps.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Oh, it's gonna be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
And you and I have already tucked rookies more around
the draft, but it's time to circle back.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You've spent more time with these guys. I've spent more
time with them. We've had a chance to look at
guys in OTA's and mini camps, and we want to
talk about some.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Of the deep sleepers. Right. We we know about the
obvious guys. We want to drill deeper.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And you weren't yet on the show at this time
last year, Thor. But it had you been on this show,
you'd have been talking up pookin Akua, because when you
did get on the show.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
In August, you were talking to Pooka Nakula.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yes, yeah, banging the drum. We're gonna bang the drum
for some guys today. I can't promise that they'll become
Pooka Nakula, but they are guys that to be monitoring
that could fit, you know, yeah, jumping off really quickly.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
There almost can't be another Pookinakua. That's I mean, you
could go a lot, you go ten years and there's
just not another rookie fifth rounder who does what he
did last year for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And that's not your fault. That's just like the math.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Yeah right, yeah, I mean like almost a once in
a lifetime think you're not going to get a Day
three guy shattering all the NFL records again as a rookie.
But I think we got some guys in here we
can point people to where they can get really really
good values on them because they're being overlooked in fantasy
drafts right now.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So going through your list of guys everybody were going
to talk about in rookie drafts are going at least
at eighty P eighteen or higher. Most of these guys
are going in the twenties and thirties or even forties
of rookie drafts. Rookie drafts correct, So these are all deep.
These are deep, right, right, So we're not expecting every
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one of these guys to hit. And also, these guys
all have warts, right, I mean, if they didn't have
any warts, they wouldn't be at you know, eighty, you know,
the rookie ADP wouldn't be thirty five thou right, So
you know, keep it, you know, keep that in mind
as we're talking through this. We'll we'll talk about some
of the good and bad for all of these guys,
and we'll do it by position or let's beget a quarterback.
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It goes without saying for anybody who allowed here for
the last year, JJ McCarthy his rookie ADP is eighteen.
So this is the most highly ranked of anybody we're
gonna talk about in this set.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
The only first round that we're going to. But of course,
you know, again I had to sneak the man, you.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Know, any chance to talk about jjmrect But let me
set the Let me set the table this way. Almost
everything we're hearing out of the Vikings from both externally
that they're saying openly to the media and everything i'm
hearing back channel, everything that is being discussed in the media.
They all say the Vikings are going to take their
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time on JJ McCarthy. And there's a very real scenario
where Sam Darnold, now surrounded by the best talent of
his life, has a long runway here. So talk to
me about what you if a do you disagree with
any of that, because you're welcome to and there could
be a lot of smoke screen here and it could
be the JJ McCarthy just too good to leave on
the bench. What how if you were to if I
were to put a weak number on when JJ McCarthy
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starts this year, if at all, what do you.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Think before the midway point of the season.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Okay, they got a buy in week six, I'll mention that.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
But I think it could be right around then.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Okay, that's where I put it on your good you know,
And they're the way that they're conveying this to the
public gets the right way. You're being deferential to a veteran,
but also a veteran who is literal real life friends
with the quarterback coach is very they played together with
the Jets, very friendly with the head coach, and they
brought him in. You know, they sold him on this idea,
Darnold I'm talking about of you know, revitalizing his career,
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et cetera. I would expect him to get that first opportunity,
but I don't think it's the lock that other people
do that McCarthy doesn't. You know, either start week one
or shortly thereafter, you need to get the if you're
the Vikings, you need to get the referendum on JJ
McCarthy this coming season. You need to know if he's
the answer for a year two. So he going to
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be starting for at least half that season. I think
a little bit more than that, and I think that
they're going to give him at least a shot in
camp right now. They're modulating his footwork into longer throws
and then the throws down the sideline. Something we talked
about during the pre draft process about how JJ loves
to come over the top with that exaggerated lead step.
The kids got a bazooka, but a lot of the
throws they're bullet type throws like that down when you're
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going down the field, you want to deduct some of
the velocity for trajectory, arch, touch, et cetera. That's what
they're working on him with right now. How quickly will
that take? Will that take by mid August late August
to give him a shot early in the season to
potentially see the field or do they want to go
a little bit slower. But either way, I think we're
gonna see JJ out there quick.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Viking schedule is opening schedule before that Week six spy,
It's it's pretty darn tough and that could factor into this.
If the Vikings are looking at one in five rolling
into that buy, that might.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Be it, right.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I think that would be it, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And with McCarthy, we talked about this around the draft
of you have the best supporting cast of certainly any
quarterback that got taken in this class. Some people think
it's the best of the past twenty five years of
a first round rookie going in there. You have that,
but with McCarthy you have the arm town as well.
But I think the fantasy community is sleeping on the
athleticism and the amount of value they could get from
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his legs. Sixth fastest three cone regardless of position at
the NFL. Combine also ran a four four eight forty
at Michigan. He would have run in the four fourth
had he run he did run during the pre draft process.
Didn't need to go in the top ten. But those
legs will add value as well at the next level.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And that's something nobody's really talking about, is JJ McCarthy
is somebody that's gonna chip in twenty five thirty forty
rushing yards per game, and that is that is possible
for him. Kevin O'Connell doesn't have a history of calling
designed quarterback runs and he obviously with Kirk Cousins you
wouldn't do that, But weirdly, he also didn't do it
with Josh Dobbs and that was like the only thing
Josh Jobs could do was run, and O'Connell still.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So you know, I don't know where the running is
going to settle in, but McCarthy's got.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
The ability to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Let me just mention the Vikings opening schedule here before
the buye. They're a pick them against the Giants in
Week one, and then it's all bad, bad news after
that Niners. Week two Texans. I've got the Texans, as
my AFC Super Bowl team tells you how I feel
about them. Then they go at lambeau Field. Then they've
got the Jets and the best maybe the best defense
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in the league, and then they go into their by.
So if you know, even if they win that game
against the Giants, the probability in the betting line would
suggest this team's rolling into their Week six by at
one and four.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
I think it would be JJ time at that point.
And I totally agree with that breakdown as well. Also,
you know what I mean, the kid just turned twenty one.
He was twenty win Michigan won the national title. There's
no reason to rush this and and I don't think
the Vikings will. But I again like, I think he's
going to be prove himself to be a better quarterback
than Darnold.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
In short order, give me the deep dynasty pick that
you've got a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
So we this year in the draft, we had of course,
as everyone knows, we had the sixth goal right away,
but then after that, after the sixth Bonnecks was taken,
we didn't have another run. End of the first round,
second round, third round, four or fourth round half.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So there was this enormous weight.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Once we got to the fifth round, the New Orleans
Saints end up taking Spencer Rattler for dynasty owners, That's
a guy that I would monitor. He's only behind car
right now. And then nominally Jay Cayner. Spencer Ratler is
a better quarterback than Jay Cayner. Spencer Ratler people might forget.
He was the top quarterback in his recruiting class coming
out and the first hand picked high school quarterback that
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it ever started for Lincoln Riley. As a red shirt
freshman at Oklahoma, Spencer Rattler was absolutely incredible. People were
putting him as like the two early mocks, as the
number one pick in the draft.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The next year was when Kayleb Williams gets the town
and the whole thing got blown up.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Then Spencer Ratler transfers to South Carolina, where they had
one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines in the
entire country.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It was unreal.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I was trying to evaluate Spencer Rattler for the draft
thor you can't find a clean pocket for him to
just set up, And I'm just asking myself, what does
Spencer Ratler do in a clean pocket. When he's setting
up and he's throwing more than three yards downfield and
there's like.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
No plays like that, the guy was just getting.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Murdered back there thousand percent.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Last time we saw it was during that red shirt
freshman year in twenty twenty at Oklahoma. He was number four.
Spencer Ratler was in the nation that year with a
ninety two point five PFF grade, which is sick led
the FBS and PFF big time throws under pressure and
passing grade out of structure. That gets back to what
hisar Rattler is similar ish in this regard to Bryce Young,
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a guy who likes the field spread back in shotgun
so he can see the whole thing, and then he
likes to maneuver around to buy a little time, change
the launch angles and stuff like that. When you're moving around,
but you have a terrible sieve of an offensive line
that is immediately allowing pressure, your game is going to create,
which it did for Ratler at the beginning of twenty
twenty two. He figured it out the last three or
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four games of that season, ripped up Clemson, ripped up
Notre Dame. He just had a great Tennessee great under
the season, and then this year the offensive line is
still stunk. Most of their guys had transferred out, Marshawn
Lloyd had transferred out. They guys go to the NFL.
Juice Wells gets hurt. He only had Xavier Legett there.
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It was Xavier Lagat and pray for rain At helth Carolina.
But he played a lot better this year and going
to the NFL, he's finally going to be playing behind
a competent offensive line. I think that's where you could
see Spencer Ratler's pocket passing talent start to coalesce again.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
All right, so he's he's only behind Derek Carr with
the Saints. It's not, you know, Derek carrs doesn't exactly
electrify anybody, you know. I would it surprise me if
Spencer Rattler is the starter next year.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
No, No, not at all. And you think about this
coming season.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
If Rattler indeed does beat out Jake Canner, which I
think is well with likely Yeah, and then the Saints
have a disappointing season, you might want to be getting
a look there at Ratler at the end of the season,
even if car doesn't end up getting hurt.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
All right, we'll have to move a little more quickly
through the rest of our list, but let's go to
running backs.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Marshawn Lloyd.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
If slots into Green Bay, obviously he's gonna He's got
a battle for time with Josh Jacobs. He's the USC
kid via South Carolina. As you mentioned, strong, a little
on the short side, but he runs upright, making him,
I think, feel taller than he actually measured at the combine.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I worry a little bit about.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Whether or not he's got NFL speed, but I like
the power side of Marshawn Lloyd's game. Talk to me
a little bit about him and why you think he's
a good sleeper candidate.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
When he first got taken by the Packers, I hated
the landing spot, of course, and it sort of threw
some cold water on it for me, even though I
love the prospect. But thinking about it more and then
hearing from people around the Packers, I think Lloyd is
going to be nipping at Jacobs's heels real quick. Jacob's
contract so he got four years, forty eight million dollars.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
What it actually is is a two year, twenty three
point six million.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Dollars, but that's still good running back money.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Still solid running back money.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
But the Packers are going to be out of that
thing after next season, after the twenty twenty five season,
and you talk about not having incentive. Potentially you play
the better running back who is younger, if you know
you're gonna cut Jacobs the end of that year, that's
where I think for sure Lloyd ends up bypassing him.
I love Lloyd's talent. Jacobs last year, the way that
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he looked out there coming off that three hundred plus
touch season that he'd had the year before. We have
numbers on this going back years and years and years,
and Jacobs appeared to depreciate a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, last year, he didn't looked like the prior guy.
We may find out that he was playing her or whatever,
or just the totality of the Adrian O'Connell offense was
not good and we had you know, there was even
worse quarterbacking than that at various times throughout the year
for Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So you can make an excuse. Can you can think that.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Josh Jacobs has the right to get better on a
way better offense, And I think that's probably the case,
but maybe again a little bit like Spencer Rallert next year,
who's your starter?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
That's it for Dynasty guys in particular, especially because Lloyd
is going at a discomb because of that situation. Right,
but AJ Dillon can be cut at any time, was.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Given very I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I don't even think. Yeah, I think he could.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Cut this preseason, absolutely yeah, with no pain for the Packers.
So you can already consider Lloyd RB two with a
bullet And again, Jacob's only on that two year deal.
Other thing I'd say is I think Lloyd is a
better early down runner than Josh Jacobs. I think we're Jacobs.
It could become some sort of a time split distribution,
with Lloyd getting a lot more of those early down
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type lie around the goal line, short yardage, et cetera.
Initially at Jacobs of course is gonna be on the
field for all the passing downs. He skilled it that,
but that's something to keep an eye on as a
rookie as well.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
All right, let's go to Kamani Videll. He lands at
the Chargers intriguing spot. This is the kid from Troy.
Not many of us were watching Troy football, but they
brought in Gus Edwards and JK. Dobbins, who who followed
Greg Roman from Baltimore over here. Roman, you know, had
been the long time offensive coordinated there prior.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
To last year. He's an interesting guy. I like to burst.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
He's a good three down back. He's got better hands
than any other back on the Chargers roster, and he's
a good pass protector. Bidell could end up being for
a factor in the passing.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Game like Week one. He could be somebody who gets
on the field.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
That way one thousand percent. Jim Harbaugh, everybody knows his offense.
The ethos is you run on the early downs and
then on third down either you have to get the
conversions you mentioned. Vedell was the best pass blocking back
in this class, so that is the passing down stuff.
I do think he's going to be on the field
on passing downs as a rookie. I also think he
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has a decent shot to upset the two veterans ahead
of them, who also are not being given much. That
Chargers don't have a lot invested in those guys, Vdell.
What happened with the Chargers, They were certainly monitoring Blake
Korum during the draft ends up getting taken by the
other Los Angeles team across town. Vedell is about as
close as an animal gam for quorum as you could get.
They're about in the same physical package, but Vedell is
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more athletic, was a ninetieth percentile athlete during the pre
draft process, also finished number two last season in the
NCAA and broken tackles, broken tackles.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Force excuse me.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
He is very, very tough to square up, and he
runs like a bullet. It's just straightforward, hard charging. He
packs a lot more power into that condensed bowling ball frame.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I think then it sort of sneaks up on defenders.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I loved both Gus Edwards and JK. Dobbins prior to
their ACLS. They both, to me looked really, really good,
and it's it's really sad that the ACLS appeared to
have sapped the careers out of both of those guys.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yes, but you know, but that's the nature of this game.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And Videl's got a chance to make an impact and
pass those guys on the depth chart, perhaps as early
again as week one. Absolutely, let's go to audric estime.
He lands in Denver, a spot I do not like
in this and what we're gonna end up talking about. Unfortunately,
because I'm a big Julia McLoughlin guy, I love him
and so I really I don't want to hear about
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how great estimate is that he may end up passing
Jaliel because that's kind of my that's kind of my guy.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
But let's talk about the Notre Dame back.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Yeah, someone who doesn't like someone a Broncos running back
as Sean Payton doesn't appear to like Javonte Williams.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And I didn't either. I thought he was bad last year.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So Jalil certainly is going to be on the field,
but he can't be on the field always, right.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
There's size limitations.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Right there, and they're not a workhorse back. There's certain
things that are outside of his skill set as well.
Odric Estimate is not competing against Jalio. He is coming
against Javonte Walliams. That that is a guy that he
can beat, and then if that ends up happening, you
get some of the early downlooks, certainly the short yarded
stuff end around the goal line. Estimate is a sledgehammer
of a running back. Is six feet tall, two hundred
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and twenty one pounds, runs with a ton of oomf
and power runs over guys. And he was only twenty
years old when he got drafted. These the one thing
he lacks, it's the long speed. You know, around four
to seven or high four to six is type speed.
But what he can do again is grind out those
yards every single time. It's like a Lee Ray Horde thing.
You need one year to get you three years. You
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need five yards to get you three years.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
That is utteric esime in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
All right, let's go to Tyrone Tracy, who lands in
a good spot with the Giants. Really not a lot
of competition there. Singletary's there is the presumed starter. The
Purdue kid is a converted wide receiver. He's a kick returner.
He's got this long, loping stride that you don't normally
see in running backs. And I don't love that part.
And he's got that slight build. But man, you get
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him an open space and he looks really good. Well,
everybody looks good and open space, But tell me your
thoughts on Tyrone Tracy here.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Well, when he gets out into that open space, he
had the ninety eight percentile. He's got all the wheels
in the world four four eight during the pre draft process.
The other thing with him, he had more feel for
running than I would certainly have given him credit for
or thought was possible after he had converted to running
back after unfortunately playing four years at receiver at the
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University of Iowa, which.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Doesn't give you a lot of volume.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
No, and he was obviously frustrated by both you know,
the amount of targets he was getting and then also
the development he was getting there. But he found his
destiny going to produce switching to running back. Last year's
Purdue team was absolutely awful, and teams, especially the passing
game teams were able to load up against the run.
Despite that, Tyrone Tracy one hundred and sixty three point
five elusive rating four point four to four yards after
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contact per attempt. Both of those were the highest of
any of my top thirty ranked running backs in the
last class. Wow, and Tracy can get out into space.
And this is for people out there that play in
leagues where they count kickoff return stats at lower touchdowns.
Another reason to maybe bump Tracy up a little bit
in your rankings. I think he is going to take
over as the kick returner there right away, you have
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the new rules.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
What I like about his running style, I mean this
is the running style thing that goes back into the
kickoffs he had, Like I said, has the decent feel,
runs with the wide base and he can slash over,
you know, sort of bouncy, make people miss the first
guy off the cut, and then he finds his open crease.
That's where you see Tyrone. Tracy hit the burners. Only
Devin Singletary really ahead of him. I don't think much
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of Eric Gray. I think Tracy goes in as RB two.
It's a team that might be. They're amid a rebuild
right now. They don't have a ton of loyalty to
Singletary who just came in. I think Tracy again nipping
at his heels early on, and if Singletary gets hurt,
I think Tracy becomes the RB one.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
There your deep dynasty guy, somebody. I really haven't spent
much time with Dylan Lowby. Dylan Lowby lands in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Where do he play again? Remind me he played at
New Hampshire and yah.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
That's why I did not see a lot of Dylan Lowby.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah, okay, yeah, he was up there in the FCS.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
But the thing that he is really really good at
it's catching the ball. And right now, the Raiders at
running back, you have Samir White. He is a grinder. Yeah,
sort of just the guy, but he's a grinder. Alexander
Madison stings. I'm sorry, mister Madison, if you're out there,
I think Lowby takes over right away as that team's
passing down back. Samir White for sure is going to
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have the early downstuff and you're gonna give him all
the handoffs and whatnot. But you need to have Dylan
Lobby on the field on passing downs. He's really, really,
really skilled at that.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, all right, so PPR League Dylan Lobby as somebody
that you can you can throw throw a dart at
at with a last pick of your Dynasty draft. I
like Ray Davis, you and I disagree on him, the
kid from Louisville. You and I've talked about him way
back shortly after the draft, as I recall what you
were talking about with Ray Davis and who landed in Buffalo.
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Kid from you Louisville. Was you like that he can
do everything? You feel like he does everything? Okay, but
he's not special in anything, and you have to have
some special traits to succeed in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I think he's really good at everything.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I think he's like an eight out of ten at everything.
He's just not a nine or a ten.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
And I think there's going to.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Be a role for Ray Davis to play, and perhaps
at the goal line, because James Cook is really he's
not a power back, and Ray Davis can.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
He can really give you some oomph. And I like
this kid and well and.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Buffalo is just based on the wide receivers, they're going
to have to do more with their running backs than
they did last year.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Absolutely, yeah, and that is a role that I could
see him taking over pretty early. On My nitpick with
Davis was more the lack of ceiling and at that
position in the draft, I would be swinging for the
fences every single time. But to your point, Thank he's
solid to good at almost every metric that you would
look at running back play. It's just you don't have
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this special athleticism, you don't have some of.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
The special trades.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
But for a guy what they're looking for behind Cook,
I think he could absolutely fit the bill this year.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Let's take a break through and we come back. Let's
talk about some of your favorite rookie sleepers at the
wide receiver and tight end position. Welcome back Fantasy Football Weekly.
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Let's go to the wide receiver position, Thor. We've got
some deep sleepers, beginning with Roman Wilson, currently going off
the board in antasy drafts as pick number twenty one
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in Rookie Dynasty drafts. This is the kid from Michigan.
There were things I liked about him. I liked the separation.
I like that he finds cushion. I liked his route tree.
I liked how many routes he ran over the.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Middle of the field and could be effective in the
middle of the field.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's a lot easier to play wide receiver when you
don't have any defenders on one side of you, because
that's the sideline. I like guys who can find separation
in the middle of the field. There's a lot about
Roman Wilson that I find pretty compelling, and he finds
himself now with the Steelers and a team with a
lot of need at receiver.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
A lot of need at receiver, and Roman Wilson going
to be the starting slot from day one. He was
the second that they turned that cart, and you know,
to your point, you're looking at their depth. Charte, George
Pickens and Van Jefferson and.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Van Jefferson, I love.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
They have to put the.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Ball in the air at some point, and I think
Roman Wilson is going to command a lot of targets immediately.
For a guy right now who in Rookie ADP is
the twenty first rookie going off the board, I just
think that that's a little cheap for him. I think
he should be going a little bit above that. He's small,
for sure, one hundred and eighty five pounds five to ten,
but he's athletic eighty six percentile runs in the high
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four threes.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
And the thing with him is.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Yes, the body is small, and that's why he has
to play the slot. But the thing that I always
point out with Roman Wilson, he had only two drops
zero fumbles twenty twenty two, only one drop, zero fumbles
last year as the wide receiver one for Michigan's undefeated team.
And the reason to extrapolate this ford and think it
has predictive value is well, Roman Wilson's body is small.
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His hands happened to be enormous. He has the They're
bigger than Roman Dunesa's hands. Roman Wilson are one eighth
of an inch smaller than Marvin Harrison's. They're the same
size as Xavier la Get all these receivers that are
bigger than him. Yeah, he doesn't flub balls. He's extremely
reliable running the routes like you mentioned, And he's not
one of those slots, for instance, like Malachi Corley, another
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rookie where you have to manufacture such as close to
the line of scrimmage. Roman Wilson can win deep and
did plenty for JJ McCarthy in that Michigan team.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
All right, Let's go to Jermaine from Alabama via Georgia
where he was very lightly used, goes to Alabama, still
kind of lightly used. He falls into Cincinnati. I see
a very raw project, but I see an NFL level
athlete in Jermaine Burton. I don't know that he has
an impact this year, but with the T Higgins thing
really on a timer, at this time next year, there.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Is another one of those.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
At this time next year, Jermaine Burton could be a
starting receiver for an offense led by Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Which is a pretty good spot to be in.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
For sure, it is and Jermaine Burton. This is going
to come down to Jermaine Burton deciding he wants to
be an above average NFL player or stay in the
NFL for a while. The talent has never been an
issue for Jermaine Burton. It's always been his attitude. And
if he corrects that and that's different going forward, he
will be a long term starter with the Bengals obviously
a very advantageous passing environment there.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Last year, Jermain Burton didn't get.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
To show off his all the skills that he has
because he had a ludicrous twenty point two a dot
that led this wide receiver class, which be because the
quarterback he was playing with at Alabama, Jalen Millroe, a
scrambler who then also just chucks the ball a mile.
The accuracy of everything in between can come and go.
But that's why Jermaine Burton was down the field so much.
Earlier in his career. He showed he could win short
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make people miss, and then the intermediate range as well.
So I think this guy potentially could win at all
three levels in the NFL, certainly as the athleticism for it,
will the attitude be there for Jermaine Burton.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Luke McCaffrey is next on your list. You and I
are going to disagree on Luke McCaffrey. I don't like
him looking at you, and you've seen more of him
than I have, just watching a couple of games of
routes and and and passes his way. I don't like
the size. I don't like how underpowered he is. I
didn't see a lot of separation. I just think he
needs more strength. I understand just reading up on him.
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The intangibles are phenomenal, and obviously he's in the McCaffrey family,
So you know that's family. The DNA is good, but
I didn't love the production. And you know, and Rice,
I don't even know how much I can gage. The
last notable player to come from Rice is Tommy Kramer. Right,
talk to me about Luke McCaffrey and tell me why
I'm ron.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Luke McCaffrey I think is a perfect fit for Washington,
particularly because of the game of their first pick, Jalen Daniels,
where he loves to throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Down the field, Yes, including to the slot.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Now, I think McCaffrey could play either inside or outside
at the next level. He played seventy percent of his
snaps in the slot. Well at Rice thirty percent on
the outside. But the reason for that was Number One,
Luke McCaffrey just started playing the wide receiver position two
years ago after busting as a dual threat quarterback earlier
in his career.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, and the G.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Five programs a lot of times will put their best
receiver closer to the quarterback make it easier on them.
But McCaffrey is tremendous down the field. Tremendous is getting
down the field and then the contested situations down there.
Seventeen of twenty eight last year, only three drops on
one hundred and twenty targets in twenty twenty three. That
guy catches all these balls in tight quarters between two defenders,
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a defender descending down on him, catches the ball, gets smacked,
his helmet pops off. Whether that's playing the slot which
jalen last year, Jayden and Daniels throwing downtown to Molik
neighbors all the time, or on the other side of
McLaren depending on what happens with Johan dottson there. McCaffrey
can win down the field. I also think you're going
to see more of progression from him as a route runner,
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certainly in the intermediate range.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Again, keep in mind he only.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Played those two years of a receiver after switching over
the one other thing to keep in mind with McCaffrey vs.
AV his fantasy value the next level the former dual
threat quarterback thing. He can do trick plays, and Rice
had a whole lot of fun with him on ender
rounds and gadget plays. McCaffrey ended up breaking twenty five
tackles over the last two years, did not fumble the
ball one time. You're going to see him used by
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Washington on some trick plays, all right, Javon Baker.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Right after the draft, when we looked at the Patriots draft,
they took Jalen Polk in the second round and then
they took Baker in the fourth round. And like the
day after the draft, you're on this show saying I
like Baker, yeah, more than I like Polk. You're happy
to see land in this spot. And I think Drake
May's gonna be great. Uh, talk to me about the
kid from Central Florida via Alabama.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I would pick him over Polk, And for me, it
wouldn't be much of a you know thought there. I
think Baker assents to the top of their wide receiver
room very quickly. Speaking of good fits with with particular quarterbacks,
the thing that Drake made is best at is flinging
bombs down the field. Last year, Javon Baker was the
only guy that was beneath Jermaine Burton and a dott
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seventeen point one, a dot h just assassin downfield at
UCF was Javon Baker attacks the ball in the air,
latches onto that thing. He can get jarred and he's
still going to come down with the ball. Twenty of
thirty six and contested scenarios the last two years for
Burton or I'm sorry for Javon Baker. He's also very
good after the catch, breaks tackles.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
He is elusive.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
The one thing he needs to clean up his concentration
drops drops with a little over front. Yeah, yeah, that's
the one thing. But if he can clean those concentration
drops up, and he has great hands, so it is
this is a concentration issue. If he cleans that up,
like I said, I think he has sends very quickly
to the top of that depth Shart.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
All right, that's Javon Baker. You're deep sleeper at wide receiver.
Malik Davis from Virginia finds himself from Miami. Obviously that's
a that's a pretty stacked depth chart. But that doesn't
mean we don't like the kid. What do you what
do you like about Milk Washington?
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Yeah, so with him, Miami of course has the awesome
two receivers at the top, but they've been looking for
ancillary receiving options when they have three wide receivers on
the field. I think you were going to see Melik
Washington in the slot last year in Virginia. He blew
up doing that. Thirty five broken tackles for Malik Washington
last year. That was five more than the next highest
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finisher in this class, which was a guy named Melik Neighbors.
So Washington brings the ball in and then he has
this short compact, just sort of muscle hamster type frame
to him. He is not afraid to catch the ball
middle of the field, has eighty nine percentile athleticism. But
then he's got the acceleration and will run through arm tape,
arm tackles, off angle attempts and stuff like that. Pile
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up the broken tackles.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
All right, that's Malik Washington. Now we go to tight end.
There's a player that you talked about going into the draft.
You and I talked about him right after the draft,
and the landing spot is very encouraging. Iowa tight end
Eric All, who finds himself in Cincinnati, and we.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Love his quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
We love the fact that he might right now be
the best tight end on roster and could start in
very short order. Talk to me about Eric All, the
kid he transferred from Michigan, went to Iowa for a.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Year, so he got the Iowa tight.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
End treatment, if only for a year thor and now
he's got this nice opportunity.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
I think he bypasses Mike Kiseki for t one the
gig as a rookie. Eric All tremendous athlete. He has size,
speed and feet. Wasn't able to test during the pre
draft process because he tore his ACL at Iowa in October,
but he would have been running in the high four
fours or low four fives, which would have put him
number two among testers at his position group. The thing
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you like about him is the ball skills in conjunction
with that athleticism, and then he can end up running.
He was destructive for Iowa when he was on the field.
He was number one among all FBS tight ends in
yards per route run prior to tearing that ECO. That
was on that abomination of an Iowa passing offense, which
I can say because I went to Iowa wasn't fun
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to watch. But All ended up leading the Hawkeys in
receiving last year despite playing in less than half of
the games. He has been the pass catching tight end
Joe Burrow has been crying out for, and I think
he's gonna be on the field and solidify that job.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Carrie going forward in very short order.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Eric Hall going off the board in Rookie Drafts, Rookie
Dynasty Drafts, Pick forty seven.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Yeah, it's way too low for way too low, especially
in a tight end class where there's just not many
other guys like he is the guy who could.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Blow up and become a star.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, well Flowers, Yeah, well not Bowers, but yes, after that,
Bowers is in his own file.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah, and then it really yeah, you know, we're talking
about Senate and Eric all pretty much those are the
two guys at Target.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Great job, Thor, Thank you appreciate it. This has been
a ton of fun. We love the deep sleepers. Some
of these guys are gonna hit you'll. I don't know
if you've heard it here first, but you will have
heard Thor bang in the drum for all of these guys.
Thanks for listening to Fantasy Football Weekly.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
We'll be back next week.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly. I'm Paul Charchian, joining me
this week co host.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Thor nystro Hey, buddy, it's time to talk rookies again.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I can't wait.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
And we're so close to the season. Now you can
start to smell the tailgate.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
We're so close. Oh God, can't wait.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We're just weeks away, like two and a half weeks
away from training camps.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Oh, it's gonna be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
And you and I have already tucked rookies more around
the draft, but it's time to circle back.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You've spent more time with these guys. I've spent more
time with them. We've had a chance to look at
guys in OTA's and mini camps, and we want to
talk about some.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Of the deep sleepers. Right. We we know about the
obvious guys. We want to drill deeper.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And you weren't yet on the show at this time
last year, Thor. But it had you been on this show,
you'd have been talking up pookin Akua, because when you
did get on the show.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
In August, you were talking to Pooka Nakula.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yes, yeah, banging the drum. We're gonna bang the drum
for some guys today. I can't promise that they'll become
Pooka Nakula, but they are guys that to be monitoring
that could fit, you know, yeah, jumping off really quickly.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
There almost can't be another Pookinakua. That's I mean, you
could go a lot, you go ten years and there's
just not another rookie fifth rounder who does what he
did last year for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And that's not your fault. That's just like the math.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Yeah right, yeah, I mean like almost a once in
a lifetime think you're not going to get a Day
three guy shattering all the NFL records again as a rookie.
But I think we got some guys in here we
can point people to where they can get really really
good values on them because they're being overlooked in fantasy
drafts right now.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So going through your list of guys everybody were going
to talk about in rookie drafts are going at least
at eighty P eighteen or higher. Most of these guys
are going in the twenties and thirties or even forties
of rookie drafts. Rookie drafts correct, So these are all deep.
These are deep, right, right, So we're not expecting every
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one of these guys to hit. And also, these guys
all have warts, right, I mean, if they didn't have
any warts, they wouldn't be at you know, eighty, you know,
the rookie ADP wouldn't be thirty five thou right, So
you know, keep it, you know, keep that in mind
as we're talking through this. We'll we'll talk about some
of the good and bad for all of these guys,
and we'll do it by position or let's beget a quarterback.
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It goes without saying for anybody who allowed here for
the last year, JJ McCarthy his rookie ADP is eighteen.
So this is the most highly ranked of anybody we're
gonna talk about in this set.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
The only first round that we're going to. But of course,
you know, again I had to sneak the man, you.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Know, any chance to talk about jjmrect But let me
set the Let me set the table this way. Almost
everything we're hearing out of the Vikings from both externally
that they're saying openly to the media and everything i'm
hearing back channel, everything that is being discussed in the media.
They all say the Vikings are going to take their
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time on JJ McCarthy. And there's a very real scenario
where Sam Darnold, now surrounded by the best talent of
his life, has a long runway here. So talk to
me about what you if a do you disagree with
any of that, because you're welcome to and there could
be a lot of smoke screen here and it could
be the JJ McCarthy just too good to leave on
the bench. What how if you were to if I
were to put a weak number on when JJ McCarthy
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starts this year, if at all, what do you.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Think before the midway point of the season.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Okay, they got a buy in week six, I'll mention that.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
But I think it could be right around then.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Okay, that's where I put it on your good you know,
And they're the way that they're conveying this to the
public gets the right way. You're being deferential to a veteran,
but also a veteran who is literal real life friends
with the quarterback coach is very they played together with
the Jets, very friendly with the head coach, and they
brought him in. You know, they sold him on this idea,
Darnold I'm talking about of you know, revitalizing his career,
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et cetera. I would expect him to get that first opportunity,
but I don't think it's the lock that other people
do that McCarthy doesn't. You know, either start week one
or shortly thereafter, you need to get the if you're
the Vikings, you need to get the referendum on JJ
McCarthy this coming season. You need to know if he's
the answer for a year two. So he going to
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be starting for at least half that season. I think
a little bit more than that, and I think that
they're going to give him at least a shot in
camp right now. They're modulating his footwork into longer throws
and then the throws down the sideline. Something we talked
about during the pre draft process about how JJ loves
to come over the top with that exaggerated lead step.
The kids got a bazooka, but a lot of the
throws they're bullet type throws like that down when you're
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going down the field, you want to deduct some of
the velocity for trajectory, arch, touch, et cetera. That's what
they're working on him with right now. How quickly will
that take? Will that take by mid August late August
to give him a shot early in the season to
potentially see the field or do they want to go
a little bit slower. But either way, I think we're
gonna see JJ out there quick.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Viking schedule is opening schedule before that Week six spy,
It's it's pretty darn tough and that could factor into this.
If the Vikings are looking at one in five rolling
into that buy, that might.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Be it, right.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
I think that would be it, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And with McCarthy, we talked about this around the draft
of you have the best supporting cast of certainly any
quarterback that got taken in this class. Some people think
it's the best of the past twenty five years of
a first round rookie going in there. You have that,
but with McCarthy you have the arm town as well.
But I think the fantasy community is sleeping on the
athleticism and the amount of value they could get from
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his legs. Sixth fastest three cone regardless of position at
the NFL. Combine also ran a four four eight forty
at Michigan. He would have run in the four fourth
had he run he did run during the pre draft process.
Didn't need to go in the top ten. But those
legs will add value as well at the next level.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And that's something nobody's really talking about, is JJ McCarthy
is somebody that's gonna chip in twenty five thirty forty
rushing yards per game, and that is that is possible
for him. Kevin O'Connell doesn't have a history of calling
designed quarterback runs and he obviously with Kirk Cousins you
wouldn't do that, But weirdly, he also didn't do it
with Josh Dobbs and that was like the only thing
Josh Jobs could do was run, and O'Connell still.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So you know, I don't know where the running is
going to settle in, but McCarthy's got.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
The ability to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Let me just mention the Vikings opening schedule here before
the buye. They're a pick them against the Giants in
Week one, and then it's all bad, bad news after
that Niners. Week two Texans. I've got the Texans, as
my AFC Super Bowl team tells you how I feel
about them. Then they go at lambeau Field. Then they've
got the Jets and the best maybe the best defense
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in the league, and then they go into their by.
So if you know, even if they win that game
against the Giants, the probability in the betting line would
suggest this team's rolling into their Week six by at
one and four.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
I think it would be JJ time at that point.
And I totally agree with that breakdown as well. Also,
you know what I mean, the kid just turned twenty one.
He was twenty win Michigan won the national title. There's
no reason to rush this and and I don't think
the Vikings will. But I again like, I think he's
going to be prove himself to be a better quarterback
than Darnold.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
In short order, give me the deep dynasty pick that
you've got a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
So we this year in the draft, we had of course,
as everyone knows, we had the sixth goal right away,
but then after that, after the sixth Bonnecks was taken,
we didn't have another run. End of the first round,
second round, third round, four or fourth round half.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So there was this enormous weight.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Once we got to the fifth round, the New Orleans
Saints end up taking Spencer Rattler for dynasty owners, That's
a guy that I would monitor. He's only behind car
right now. And then nominally Jay Cayner. Spencer Ratler is
a better quarterback than Jay Cayner. Spencer Ratler people might forget.
He was the top quarterback in his recruiting class coming
out and the first hand picked high school quarterback that
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it ever started for Lincoln Riley. As a red shirt
freshman at Oklahoma, Spencer Rattler was absolutely incredible. People were
putting him as like the two early mocks, as the
number one pick in the draft.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The next year was when Kayleb Williams gets the town
and the whole thing got blown up.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Then Spencer Ratler transfers to South Carolina, where they had
one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines in the
entire country.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It was unreal.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I was trying to evaluate Spencer Rattler for the draft
thor you can't find a clean pocket for him to
just set up, And I'm just asking myself, what does
Spencer Ratler do in a clean pocket. When he's setting
up and he's throwing more than three yards downfield and
there's like.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
No plays like that, the guy was just getting.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Murdered back there thousand percent.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Last time we saw it was during that red shirt
freshman year in twenty twenty at Oklahoma. He was number four.
Spencer Ratler was in the nation that year with a
ninety two point five PFF grade, which is sick led
the FBS and PFF big time throws under pressure and
passing grade out of structure. That gets back to what
hisar Rattler is similar ish in this regard to Bryce Young,
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a guy who likes the field spread back in shotgun
so he can see the whole thing, and then he
likes to maneuver around to buy a little time, change
the launch angles and stuff like that. When you're moving around,
but you have a terrible sieve of an offensive line
that is immediately allowing pressure, your game is going to create,
which it did for Ratler at the beginning of twenty
twenty two. He figured it out the last three or
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four games of that season, ripped up Clemson, ripped up
Notre Dame. He just had a great Tennessee great under
the season, and then this year the offensive line is
still stunk. Most of their guys had transferred out, Marshawn
Lloyd had transferred out. They guys go to the NFL.
Juice Wells gets hurt. He only had Xavier Legett there.
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It was Xavier Lagat and pray for rain At helth Carolina.
But he played a lot better this year and going
to the NFL, he's finally going to be playing behind
a competent offensive line. I think that's where you could
see Spencer Ratler's pocket passing talent start to coalesce again.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
All right, so he's he's only behind Derek Carr with
the Saints. It's not, you know, Derek carrs doesn't exactly
electrify anybody, you know. I would it surprise me if
Spencer Rattler is the starter next year.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
No, No, not at all. And you think about this
coming season.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
If Rattler indeed does beat out Jake Canner, which I
think is well with likely Yeah, and then the Saints
have a disappointing season, you might want to be getting
a look there at Ratler at the end of the season,
even if car doesn't end up getting hurt.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
All right, we'll have to move a little more quickly
through the rest of our list, but let's go to
running backs.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Marshawn Lloyd.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
If slots into Green Bay, obviously he's gonna He's got
a battle for time with Josh Jacobs. He's the USC
kid via South Carolina. As you mentioned, strong, a little
on the short side, but he runs upright, making him,
I think, feel taller than he actually measured at the combine.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I worry a little bit about.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Whether or not he's got NFL speed, but I like
the power side of Marshawn Lloyd's game. Talk to me
a little bit about him and why you think he's
a good sleeper candidate.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
When he first got taken by the Packers, I hated
the landing spot, of course, and it sort of threw
some cold water on it for me, even though I
love the prospect. But thinking about it more and then
hearing from people around the Packers, I think Lloyd is
going to be nipping at Jacobs's heels real quick. Jacob's
contract so he got four years, forty eight million dollars.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
What it actually is is a two year, twenty three
point six million.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Dollars, but that's still good running back money.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Still solid running back money.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
But the Packers are going to be out of that
thing after next season, after the twenty twenty five season,
and you talk about not having incentive. Potentially you play
the better running back who is younger, if you know
you're gonna cut Jacobs the end of that year, that's
where I think for sure Lloyd ends up bypassing him.
I love Lloyd's talent. Jacobs last year, the way that
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he looked out there coming off that three hundred plus
touch season that he'd had the year before. We have
numbers on this going back years and years and years,
and Jacobs appeared to depreciate a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, last year, he didn't looked like the prior guy.
We may find out that he was playing her or whatever,
or just the totality of the Adrian O'Connell offense was
not good and we had you know, there was even
worse quarterbacking than that at various times throughout the year
for Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So you can make an excuse. Can you can think that.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Josh Jacobs has the right to get better on a
way better offense, And I think that's probably the case,
but maybe again a little bit like Spencer Rallert next year,
who's your starter?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
That's it for Dynasty guys in particular, especially because Lloyd
is going at a discomb because of that situation. Right,
but AJ Dillon can be cut at any time, was.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Given very I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I don't even think. Yeah, I think he could.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Cut this preseason, absolutely yeah, with no pain for the Packers.
So you can already consider Lloyd RB two with a
bullet And again, Jacob's only on that two year deal.
Other thing I'd say is I think Lloyd is a
better early down runner than Josh Jacobs. I think we're Jacobs.
It could become some sort of a time split distribution,
with Lloyd getting a lot more of those early down
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type lie around the goal line, short yardage, et cetera.
Initially at Jacobs of course is gonna be on the
field for all the passing downs. He skilled it that,
but that's something to keep an eye on as a
rookie as well.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
All right, let's go to Kamani Videll. He lands at
the Chargers intriguing spot. This is the kid from Troy.
Not many of us were watching Troy football, but they
brought in Gus Edwards and JK. Dobbins, who who followed
Greg Roman from Baltimore over here. Roman, you know, had
been the long time offensive coordinated there prior.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
To last year. He's an interesting guy. I like to burst.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
He's a good three down back. He's got better hands
than any other back on the Chargers roster, and he's
a good pass protector. Bidell could end up being for
a factor in the passing.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Game like Week one. He could be somebody who gets
on the field.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
That way one thousand percent. Jim Harbaugh, everybody knows his offense.
The ethos is you run on the early downs and
then on third down either you have to get the
conversions you mentioned. Vedell was the best pass blocking back
in this class, so that is the passing down stuff.
I do think he's going to be on the field
on passing downs as a rookie. I also think he
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has a decent shot to upset the two veterans ahead
of them, who also are not being given much. That
Chargers don't have a lot invested in those guys, Vdell.
What happened with the Chargers, They were certainly monitoring Blake
Korum during the draft ends up getting taken by the
other Los Angeles team across town. Vedell is about as
close as an animal gam for quorum as you could get.
They're about in the same physical package, but Vedell is
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more athletic, was a ninetieth percentile athlete during the pre
draft process, also finished number two last season in the
NCAA and broken tackles, broken tackles.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Force excuse me.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
He is very, very tough to square up, and he
runs like a bullet. It's just straightforward, hard charging. He
packs a lot more power into that condensed bowling ball frame.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
I think then it sort of sneaks up on defenders.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I loved both Gus Edwards and JK. Dobbins prior to
their ACLS. They both, to me looked really, really good,
and it's it's really sad that the ACLS appeared to
have sapped the careers out of both of those guys.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yes, but you know, but that's the nature of this game.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And Videl's got a chance to make an impact and
pass those guys on the depth chart, perhaps as early
again as week one. Absolutely, let's go to audric estime.
He lands in Denver, a spot I do not like
in this and what we're gonna end up talking about. Unfortunately,
because I'm a big Julia McLoughlin guy, I love him
and so I really I don't want to hear about
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how great estimate is that he may end up passing
Jaliel because that's kind of my that's kind of my guy.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
But let's talk about the Notre Dame back.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Yeah, someone who doesn't like someone a Broncos running back
as Sean Payton doesn't appear to like Javonte Williams.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And I didn't either. I thought he was bad last year.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So Jalil certainly is going to be on the field,
but he can't be on the field always, right.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
There's size limitations.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Right there, and they're not a workhorse back. There's certain
things that are outside of his skill set as well.
Odric Estimate is not competing against Jalio. He is coming
against Javonte Walliams. That that is a guy that he
can beat, and then if that ends up happening, you
get some of the early downlooks, certainly the short yarded
stuff end around the goal line. Estimate is a sledgehammer
of a running back. Is six feet tall, two hundred
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and twenty one pounds, runs with a ton of oomf
and power runs over guys. And he was only twenty
years old when he got drafted. These the one thing
he lacks, it's the long speed. You know, around four
to seven or high four to six is type speed.
But what he can do again is grind out those
yards every single time. It's like a Lee Ray Horde thing.
You need one year to get you three years. You
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need five yards to get you three years.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
That is utteric esime in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
All right, let's go to Tyrone Tracy, who lands in
a good spot with the Giants. Really not a lot
of competition there. Singletary's there is the presumed starter. The
Purdue kid is a converted wide receiver. He's a kick returner.
He's got this long, loping stride that you don't normally
see in running backs. And I don't love that part.
And he's got that slight build. But man, you get
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him an open space and he looks really good. Well,
everybody looks good and open space, But tell me your
thoughts on Tyrone Tracy here.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Well, when he gets out into that open space, he
had the ninety eight percentile. He's got all the wheels
in the world four four eight during the pre draft process.
The other thing with him, he had more feel for
running than I would certainly have given him credit for
or thought was possible after he had converted to running
back after unfortunately playing four years at receiver at the
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University of Iowa, which.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Doesn't give you a lot of volume.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
No, and he was obviously frustrated by both you know,
the amount of targets he was getting and then also
the development he was getting there. But he found his
destiny going to produce switching to running back. Last year's
Purdue team was absolutely awful, and teams, especially the passing
game teams were able to load up against the run.
Despite that, Tyrone Tracy one hundred and sixty three point
five elusive rating four point four to four yards after
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contact per attempt. Both of those were the highest of
any of my top thirty ranked running backs in the
last class. Wow, and Tracy can get out into space.
And this is for people out there that play in
leagues where they count kickoff return stats at lower touchdowns.
Another reason to maybe bump Tracy up a little bit
in your rankings. I think he is going to take
over as the kick returner there right away, you have
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the new rules.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
What I like about his running style, I mean this
is the running style thing that goes back into the
kickoffs he had, Like I said, has the decent feel,
runs with the wide base and he can slash over,
you know, sort of bouncy, make people miss the first
guy off the cut, and then he finds his open crease.
That's where you see Tyrone. Tracy hit the burners. Only
Devin Singletary really ahead of him. I don't think much
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of Eric Gray. I think Tracy goes in as RB two.
It's a team that might be. They're amid a rebuild
right now. They don't have a ton of loyalty to
Singletary who just came in. I think Tracy again nipping
at his heels early on, and if Singletary gets hurt,
I think Tracy becomes the RB one.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
There your deep dynasty guy, somebody. I really haven't spent
much time with Dylan Lowby. Dylan Lowby lands in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Where do he play again? Remind me he played at
New Hampshire and yah.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
That's why I did not see a lot of Dylan Lowby.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah, okay, yeah, he was up there in the FCS.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
But the thing that he is really really good at
it's catching the ball. And right now, the Raiders at
running back, you have Samir White. He is a grinder. Yeah,
sort of just the guy, but he's a grinder. Alexander
Madison stings. I'm sorry, mister Madison, if you're out there,
I think Lowby takes over right away as that team's
passing down back. Samir White for sure is going to
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have the early downstuff and you're gonna give him all
the handoffs and whatnot. But you need to have Dylan
Lobby on the field on passing downs. He's really, really,
really skilled at that.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, all right, so PPR League Dylan Lobby as somebody
that you can you can throw throw a dart at
at with a last pick of your Dynasty draft. I
like Ray Davis, you and I disagree on him, the
kid from Louisville. You and I've talked about him way
back shortly after the draft, as I recall what you
were talking about with Ray Davis and who landed in Buffalo.
(20:04):
Kid from you Louisville. Was you like that he can
do everything? You feel like he does everything? Okay, but
he's not special in anything, and you have to have
some special traits to succeed in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I think he's really good at everything.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I think he's like an eight out of ten at everything.
He's just not a nine or a ten.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
And I think there's going to.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Be a role for Ray Davis to play, and perhaps
at the goal line, because James Cook is really he's
not a power back, and Ray Davis can.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
He can really give you some oomph. And I like
this kid and well and.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Buffalo is just based on the wide receivers, they're going
to have to do more with their running backs than
they did last year.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Absolutely, yeah, and that is a role that I could
see him taking over pretty early. On My nitpick with
Davis was more the lack of ceiling and at that
position in the draft, I would be swinging for the
fences every single time. But to your point, Thank he's
solid to good at almost every metric that you would
look at running back play. It's just you don't have
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this special athleticism, you don't have some of.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
The special trades.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
But for a guy what they're looking for behind Cook,
I think he could absolutely fit the bill this year.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Let's take a break through and we come back. Let's
talk about some of your favorite rookie sleepers at the
wide receiver and tight end position. Welcome back Fantasy Football Weekly.
Paul Charchie and Thorn Eistrom with you, Thor. We can
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Speaker 3 (21:40):
A lot going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
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Let's go to the wide receiver position, Thor. We've got
some deep sleepers, beginning with Roman Wilson, currently going off
the board in antasy drafts as pick number twenty one
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in Rookie Dynasty drafts. This is the kid from Michigan.
There were things I liked about him. I liked the separation.
I like that he finds cushion. I liked his route tree.
I liked how many routes he ran over the.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Middle of the field and could be effective in the
middle of the field.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's a lot easier to play wide receiver when you
don't have any defenders on one side of you, because
that's the sideline. I like guys who can find separation
in the middle of the field. There's a lot about
Roman Wilson that I find pretty compelling, and he finds
himself now with the Steelers and a team with a
lot of need at receiver.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
A lot of need at receiver, and Roman Wilson going
to be the starting slot from day one. He was
the second that they turned that cart, and you know,
to your point, you're looking at their depth. Charte, George
Pickens and Van Jefferson and.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Van Jefferson, I love.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
They have to put the.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Ball in the air at some point, and I think
Roman Wilson is going to command a lot of targets immediately.
For a guy right now who in Rookie ADP is
the twenty first rookie going off the board, I just
think that that's a little cheap for him. I think
he should be going a little bit above that. He's small,
for sure, one hundred and eighty five pounds five to ten,
but he's athletic eighty six percentile runs in the high
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four threes.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
And the thing with him is.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Yes, the body is small, and that's why he has
to play the slot. But the thing that I always
point out with Roman Wilson, he had only two drops
zero fumbles twenty twenty two, only one drop, zero fumbles
last year as the wide receiver one for Michigan's undefeated team.
And the reason to extrapolate this ford and think it
has predictive value is well, Roman Wilson's body is small.
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His hands happened to be enormous. He has the They're
bigger than Roman Dunesa's hands. Roman Wilson are one eighth
of an inch smaller than Marvin Harrison's. They're the same
size as Xavier la Get all these receivers that are
bigger than him. Yeah, he doesn't flub balls. He's extremely
reliable running the routes like you mentioned, And he's not
one of those slots, for instance, like Malachi Corley, another
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rookie where you have to manufacture such as close to
the line of scrimmage. Roman Wilson can win deep and
did plenty for JJ McCarthy in that Michigan team.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
All right, Let's go to Jermaine from Alabama via Georgia
where he was very lightly used, goes to Alabama, still
kind of lightly used. He falls into Cincinnati. I see
a very raw project, but I see an NFL level
athlete in Jermaine Burton. I don't know that he has
an impact this year, but with the T Higgins thing
really on a timer, at this time next year, there.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Is another one of those.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
At this time next year, Jermaine Burton could be a
starting receiver for an offense led by Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Which is a pretty good spot to be in.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
For sure, it is and Jermaine Burton. This is going
to come down to Jermaine Burton deciding he wants to
be an above average NFL player or stay in the
NFL for a while. The talent has never been an
issue for Jermaine Burton. It's always been his attitude. And
if he corrects that and that's different going forward, he
will be a long term starter with the Bengals obviously
a very advantageous passing environment there.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Last year, Jermain Burton didn't get.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
To show off his all the skills that he has
because he had a ludicrous twenty point two a dot
that led this wide receiver class, which be because the
quarterback he was playing with at Alabama, Jalen Millroe, a
scrambler who then also just chucks the ball a mile.
The accuracy of everything in between can come and go.
But that's why Jermaine Burton was down the field so much.
Earlier in his career. He showed he could win short
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make people miss, and then the intermediate range as well.
So I think this guy potentially could win at all
three levels in the NFL, certainly as the athleticism for it,
will the attitude be there for Jermaine Burton.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Luke McCaffrey is next on your list. You and I
are going to disagree on Luke McCaffrey. I don't like
him looking at you, and you've seen more of him
than I have, just watching a couple of games of
routes and and and passes his way. I don't like
the size. I don't like how underpowered he is. I
didn't see a lot of separation. I just think he
needs more strength. I understand just reading up on him.
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The intangibles are phenomenal, and obviously he's in the McCaffrey family,
So you know that's family. The DNA is good, but
I didn't love the production. And you know, and Rice,
I don't even know how much I can gage. The
last notable player to come from Rice is Tommy Kramer. Right,
talk to me about Luke McCaffrey and tell me why
I'm ron.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Luke McCaffrey I think is a perfect fit for Washington,
particularly because of the game of their first pick, Jalen Daniels,
where he loves to throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Down the field, Yes, including to the slot.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Now, I think McCaffrey could play either inside or outside
at the next level. He played seventy percent of his
snaps in the slot. Well at Rice thirty percent on
the outside. But the reason for that was Number One,
Luke McCaffrey just started playing the wide receiver position two
years ago after busting as a dual threat quarterback earlier
in his career.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, and the G.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Five programs a lot of times will put their best
receiver closer to the quarterback make it easier on them.
But McCaffrey is tremendous down the field. Tremendous is getting
down the field and then the contested situations down there.
Seventeen of twenty eight last year, only three drops on
one hundred and twenty targets in twenty twenty three. That
guy catches all these balls in tight quarters between two defenders,
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a defender descending down on him, catches the ball, gets smacked,
his helmet pops off. Whether that's playing the slot which
jalen last year, Jayden and Daniels throwing downtown to Molik
neighbors all the time, or on the other side of
McLaren depending on what happens with Johan dottson there. McCaffrey
can win down the field. I also think you're going
to see more of progression from him as a route runner,
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certainly in the intermediate range.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Again, keep in mind he only.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Played those two years of a receiver after switching over
the one other thing to keep in mind with McCaffrey vs.
AV his fantasy value the next level the former dual
threat quarterback thing. He can do trick plays, and Rice
had a whole lot of fun with him on ender
rounds and gadget plays. McCaffrey ended up breaking twenty five
tackles over the last two years, did not fumble the
ball one time. You're going to see him used by
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Washington on some trick plays, all right, Javon Baker.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Right after the draft, when we looked at the Patriots draft,
they took Jalen Polk in the second round and then
they took Baker in the fourth round. And like the
day after the draft, you're on this show saying I
like Baker, yeah, more than I like Polk. You're happy
to see land in this spot. And I think Drake
May's gonna be great. Uh, talk to me about the
kid from Central Florida via Alabama.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I would pick him over Polk, And for me, it
wouldn't be much of a you know thought there. I
think Baker assents to the top of their wide receiver
room very quickly. Speaking of good fits with with particular quarterbacks,
the thing that Drake made is best at is flinging
bombs down the field. Last year, Javon Baker was the
only guy that was beneath Jermaine Burton and a dott
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seventeen point one, a dot h just assassin downfield at
UCF was Javon Baker attacks the ball in the air,
latches onto that thing. He can get jarred and he's
still going to come down with the ball. Twenty of
thirty six and contested scenarios the last two years for
Burton or I'm sorry for Javon Baker. He's also very
good after the catch, breaks tackles.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
He is elusive.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
The one thing he needs to clean up his concentration
drops drops with a little over front. Yeah, yeah, that's
the one thing. But if he can clean those concentration
drops up, and he has great hands, so it is
this is a concentration issue. If he cleans that up,
like I said, I think he has sends very quickly
to the top of that depth Shart.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
All right, that's Javon Baker. You're deep sleeper at wide receiver.
Malik Davis from Virginia finds himself from Miami. Obviously that's
a that's a pretty stacked depth chart. But that doesn't
mean we don't like the kid. What do you what
do you like about Milk Washington?
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Yeah, so with him, Miami of course has the awesome
two receivers at the top, but they've been looking for
ancillary receiving options when they have three wide receivers on
the field. I think you were going to see Melik
Washington in the slot last year in Virginia. He blew
up doing that. Thirty five broken tackles for Malik Washington
last year. That was five more than the next highest
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finisher in this class, which was a guy named Melik Neighbors.
So Washington brings the ball in and then he has
this short compact, just sort of muscle hamster type frame
to him. He is not afraid to catch the ball
middle of the field, has eighty nine percentile athleticism. But
then he's got the acceleration and will run through arm tape,
arm tackles, off angle attempts and stuff like that. Pile
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up the broken tackles.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
All right, that's Malik Washington. Now we go to tight end.
There's a player that you talked about going into the draft.
You and I talked about him right after the draft,
and the landing spot is very encouraging. Iowa tight end
Eric All, who finds himself in Cincinnati, and we.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Love his quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
We love the fact that he might right now be
the best tight end on roster and could start in
very short order. Talk to me about Eric All, the
kid he transferred from Michigan, went to Iowa for a.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Year, so he got the Iowa tight.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
End treatment, if only for a year thor and now
he's got this nice opportunity.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
I think he bypasses Mike Kiseki for t one the
gig as a rookie. Eric All tremendous athlete. He has size,
speed and feet. Wasn't able to test during the pre
draft process because he tore his ACL at Iowa in October,
but he would have been running in the high four
fours or low four fives, which would have put him
number two among testers at his position group. The thing
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you like about him is the ball skills in conjunction
with that athleticism, and then he can end up running.
He was destructive for Iowa when he was on the field.
He was number one among all FBS tight ends in
yards per route run prior to tearing that ECO. That
was on that abomination of an Iowa passing offense, which
I can say because I went to Iowa wasn't fun
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to watch. But All ended up leading the Hawkeys in
receiving last year despite playing in less than half of
the games. He has been the pass catching tight end
Joe Burrow has been crying out for, and I think
he's gonna be on the field and solidify that job.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Carrie going forward in very short order.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Eric Hall going off the board in Rookie Drafts, Rookie
Dynasty Drafts, Pick forty seven.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Yeah, it's way too low for way too low, especially
in a tight end class where there's just not many
other guys like he is the guy who could.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Blow up and become a star.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, well Flowers, Yeah, well not Bowers, but yes, after that,
Bowers is in his own file.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Yeah, and then it really yeah, you know, we're talking
about Senate and Eric all pretty much those are the
two guys at Target.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Great job, Thor, Thank you appreciate it. This has been
a ton of fun. We love the deep sleepers. Some
of these guys are gonna hit you'll. I don't know
if you've heard it here first, but you will have
heard Thor bang in the drum for all of these guys.
Thanks for listening to Fantasy Football Weekly.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
We'll be back next week.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
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