October 31, 2025 • 41 mins
Hour 2 of the show begins with PA, Nordo, and Alec Lewis picking some Wide Receivers in there weekly IHoP segment. Then the conversation transitions to Vikes Bits where the boys talk about how the Vikings can effectively run the ball vs Detroit.
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Into the middle portion of the nine to noon Friday
football feast from Buffalo Wild Wings, Jan Assen Vikings and
the MotorCity Kiddies.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
This weekend, the pre.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Game of ten am with Maine Man Muss and then
the kickoff from a Ford Field, one of my favorite
stadiums in the NFL, that'll take place at noon against
the five and two Detroit Lions. Meanwhile, we break from
the football and the tedium we talk about hockey. Sure,
it was just another wonderful moment night local Minnesota sports saying.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
They they didn't control the puck.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Now they didn't control the puck. I mean the neutral
zone trap might have been off half. They lose to
sid said the kid you got the half wall. Yeah,
you know the the Minnesota Let's just get this out
of our systems, please. The Minnesota Timberwolves tried to lose
Sunday to a really bad Indiana Pacers team. Uh, but Date,
for whatever the reason, wouldn't let them lose. So they
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had the audacity to win outside of that. I mean,
you got uh you have Loserville sounds better in FM
eight days ago against Scott Mattlocke. Uh. Then the next
night at Crypto Dot com Pinch's team takes an owl
and how is Jake Lavia and Jake Laravia with his
twenty sevens unbelievable? And then Anthony Edwards goes down for
(01:45):
two weeks with a swoon over his hammy wild of
lost five in a row. Pj's team lost by thirty
eight for a tucker guys, you're the one that started it.
And Sid the kid rolls into town last night, goes
immortality on the bit and we lose four to one.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I'm trying to get it out of my system. You
guys have been on the radio. We can get it
out of your system. This is my opportunity right now.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, it's out of the system officially into this weekend's game.
But we break from that tedium for something we craft
it called I Hop I Hop I jop.
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Speaker 2 (02:47):
I hop in honor of Paul.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The Paul being Paul Charchiam who co hosted the Friday
Football Feast from two thousand and nine until last year.
Maybe listening now if he is, Hello, Paul, best of
luck with your fantasy and this weekend. So we opted
to do a segment celebrating Paul charchiing and his contributions
to the Friday Football Feast for a decade and a half.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I hop get it in honor of Paul, and we
score it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
What we do is receiving a rushing touchdowns six points,
passing touchdowns four points.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
We don't mess around with yards.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And last week or last time we did a feast Monticello,
it was tight ends. And now, granted these are some
prominent names, but we kind of lit it up for you.
Nordo gave Jake Ferguson Cowboys two touchdowns. I gave Trey
McBride Arizona two touchdowns, and Young Alec gave Ty Warren
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Indianapolis Colts and he had a touchdown. So it's five
combined touchdowns, and here are the scores into this week
where we machinate or machinate with wide receivers. It is
yours truly has twenty four points, so you're winning. Yeah,
but how about this? I mean we got three as
we head up the barn side and approach the middle
stages of the Breeders Cup Football sprint, I have twenty
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four points.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You and Nordo each have twenty two. I heard Chauncey
billis bet on you to win this. No, that was
Terry Rozier.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Okay, but yeah, he but I can't find him to
pay the forty grand that is supposedly paid. Shocking right,
and his X ray glasses were able to look through
my notes to figure out exactly who I was going
to take.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Weren't at his house when they split the money.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Twenty four, twenty two to twenty two. We do wide
receivers this week. Wide receivers this week, and Alex lewis no,
Nordo goes first. Nordo goes first. You pick one player
touchdowns only, and we'll see what you got.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
I'm going full Roob mode because I'm so obsessed with
JJ season. I'm so obsessed with JJ McCarthy series, and
I need to see something this weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And why Justin has one touchdown this year?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, and it was from the arm of JJ McCarthy,
Thank you, Opening night, Soldier Field. And so from a
fantasy standpoint, from a reality standpoint, I'm feeling nine targets,
seven receptions, one hundred and seventeen yards about bat and
a touchdown on Sunday at fort Field.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Justine, how many targets he's gonna have? Nine targets? Nine
and then we go seven, one, seventeen and one.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
That's right, That is correct. That will be the stat
lie for number eighteen. Yeah, that's my pick in honor
of Paul.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, JJ McCarthy win lose Jefferson if he hits that
is in the montage.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
That's fantastic. How you did that?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Hey, Sullen defeated negative Vikings fans in our little baby game.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I hop in honor of Paul.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Eric Nordquist just picked Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
What do you think of that?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Let's go, come on, let's get excited about JJ McCarthy
take two and his best target on the team is
gonna be Justin Jefferson and.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He'll get into the end zone this weekend. Something to
hope for. He always does get the Lions pretty good.
Median income goes up and the noise goes down.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
No, he's had a career season level of stats against
the kiddies.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, and he'll extend that this finn is it on me?
What you're got to do? I think my pick's gonna
be Jamar Chase. Okay, really? Can I do that?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Well?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Because I thought you were gonna take Almond Ross Saint Brown,
So I took Chase. No, you're not taking amend Ross
Aint Brown.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
They're playing the Bear.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
No, No, I'm not taking This could be a Jamison
Williams game. I'm not I'm not certain the Lions could
go Jamiir Gibbs could run for a lot, David Montgomery.
They've got a lot of weapons. I'm not really sure.
So Jamar Chase against the Bears. I don't think Joe
Flacco is gonna play, which I hope you're okay with that.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I know Joe Flacco, you really you really love, But
almost as much as Greg McElroy.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Jake Browning, uh and Jamar Chase against Nashan, Right, I
think I'm gonna go with that selection.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So basically, that's your way of saying you don't care
about the baby game.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
No, No, it's my way of saying, that's gonna throw
a dart and take a name. I'm gonna win the game.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, I'm gonna say jam Jamar Chase catches, he scores,
He catches like a million passes. For some reason, I
say this every week they allow Jamar Chase to just
run slants, and I don't feel like Justin Jefferson ever
runs a slant.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It doesn't make any sense to me. It will be
Browning this weekend though, right, it's fifty to fifty. Browning
will layer it out. He'll throw you a few.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
But yeah, I mean the Bears are down their top
three corners exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And even if they Tyreek Stevenson, like I mean, I
don't know who they have, but it's not gonna be pretty.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
So jam you didn't take Almon Ross and Brown Are
you gonna take Amen Roe? Of course?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Not?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Okay, yeah, but see that's part of my brand, part
of your brand. Wrecking vibes are rooting against the team.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Right, that's what everybody thinks these days. It's fritst Off
it's tough. I mean, yeah, I thought about I told
you this all fair. I thought about going to the
locker room today wearing a clown suit.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, okay, well jeez, all right, so maybe I'll take
Poop and the DeVante.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, Chris Greer is out the Dolphins GM.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I'm gonna is he. Uh, I'm gonna take T Higgins.
I'm taking T Higgins against this bad bear the other.
All right, we're both gonna have is gonna roll right
by us and the bad boy Brown he's gonna throw
four picks and no touchdowns. We're gonna get stuck and
he's gonna have one. He's gonna take the lead.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Will be a disaster one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
That Uh, that's ie hop. By the way, isn't it
special in honor of Paul? As in Paul Charchire? So hello, Paully.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Game games a lot. Let's let's do this, let's marathon.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Let's uh, let's consider all of the receivers in this
Vikings Lions game. Okay, right, and that would include Isaac
Isaac to slop to slop.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
What about Jalen Naylor? He's in?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Can he get rewarded for how good he's looked, ye
has look good mm hm.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
O'Connell Tuesday said he was having a sneaky good season.
And I even framed that thing up like, for circumstances
mostly out of Jalen's control, I think he's had which
is a roundabout way of saying the quarterbacks are getting
sacked or they're not seeing him, but Jalen Naylor's having
any terrific season.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So you with Kevin, it was like, is Jalen Naylor
having a sneaky Yes, that's what he was.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
He was.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
He was like, yes, we need to get him the ball.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But yeah, And you know what, I should have come
to the press conference too, because there were a couple
of questions that that like, I didn't ask that I'm
listening to, and I'm like Seaford asked one about that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I'm like, damn man, I wish I had asked that.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Because then I could have amplified the situation and found
a way to become a third person to ask the
same question a third way.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I knew you're gonna go all praise Emily like her,
I'm gonna do it for a third time. Ladies and gentlemen,
Emily like her Start Tribune follower on Instagram Twitter, she
went to missoo, excess vikings, the whole thing, all Hail Emily.
She just sat back there at the press conference wondering,
Josh Oliver's a pretty important facet on this team, and
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right at the wire she got into Josh Oliver question.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That's the only thing I was sitting there waiting for.
And Kevin said, glad you asked that. Yep.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And then four people asked the same Oliver question but
different ways, and the press conference was over.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
We missed you there. I would have loved to hear
you phrasing question. So you'll see me today.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I can't wait, no doubt, asking those pressing questions about
mismanagement and stuff like that to see where that goes.
Funny what happens when you go face to face with somebody, right,
all right?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Three?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Two? So if we were to lay, if we were
to lay the five four top five receivers in this game,
So let's look at it this way in the baby game. Uh,
it's not current situation. And no, I don't know who
your quarterback is, but there's a draft and you got
all these receivers and you can draft one first, one, second,
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and so on?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
How would you align or lay out the top five? Wow?
Tight ends included or no, just wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So Alan, you guys can just talk it out, Okay, justin,
let's go number five. Let's go five. No, No, let's
go one. It makes it easier, Okay. Number one would
be Jefferson justin, no question. Okay, why Jefferson and I agree?
But why I want to hear you guys are a
league football mindes.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Just all right? Three? Two?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
If why Jefferson absolutely over on and Ras Saint Brown,
I'll go first.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I guess my opinion is just justin. I mean, he's
he is everything. I mean, he's tough, he's the best
route runner in the NFL. His attitude is spectacular. The
way he leads has really impressed me over the last
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, and and I mean every you know, he's he's
better than.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You think after the catch, he gets open, he doesn't
drop passes it the catch.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Point just so reliable. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yeah, And obviously I'm and Ra would be number two,
So that's where we're arguing.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So yeah, I'm am and Ra I think is absolutely terrific.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
I think, right now though you're looking at Justin Jefferson,
who has has continued to succeed, continued to produce with
six or seven different quarterbacks over the last few years here,
and so regardless of circumstances, he makes the catches. Regardless
of the circumstances, he runs every route, catches every ball.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
The drops don't exist.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
And the leadership in the the the attitude angle, I
think all of that plays in.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I would put JJ ahead of Amen Rock.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Okay, So why aman Ro Saint Brown's second and not
Jordan Addison or Jamison Williams. Yeah, I mean, Amen Ro
is not a deep threat, never has been. He's not
super fast. Uh, he's diminutive as receivers go. And he's
not a fast guy. That's why I got taken in
the fourth round.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, but he's just so savvy and so physical he
can you know. Part of the reason they are so good,
and Chad talked about this is they.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Marry the run the pass so well.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
If what Tevin O'Connell always talks about wanting the Vikings
offense to be, they do it at such a level.
Part of it is because they have receivers who play
such a role in the run blocking phase like aman
Ra does. So I just and and yeah, he is
not the vertical burner that that even Jordan Addison or
or Jamison Williams are.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
But but that's that makes it even more impressive than
Rendee catches one for eight and takes it seventy. He
might be and his my I mean again, even comparing
him to Justin Jefferson, are there two or three better
route runners?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Are there two or three better position.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Guys field guys that find spots and zones and turn
up and turn that five six yard catch into fifteen
and twenty. Im and Ra is one of the smartest
players on the field, I think.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
For the kiddies jagging him, so jj Justin Jefferson. First,
I'm on ros Saint Brown. Second, third, do we go Addison,
Jamison Williams, Khalif Raymond or Jalen Naylor.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I mean, yeah, it's Jordan Addison. Yeah it's Addison. I
think we would both go Addison. Yes, I just I
mean when this guy is healthy, available on the field,
and engaged, he is such a good route runner. He
has the vertical speed. He also is reliable at the
catch point. I mean, you just don't have the I
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mean he's not a physical presence near the line of scrimmage,
but just as like a separator as a receiver.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I mean he is up there. I mean in the leite.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
He's up there, and maybe I'm maybe I'm discounting him
and I can't. We'll talk to Jason Hatch about this
at eleven and he will.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
He will tell me.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
That Jamison Williams is not a one trick wide receiver,
but it feels that way, and in some ways maybe
he's held back with how the Lions use him. But
as much as the focus is on aman Ra, it's
Jamison Williams with that off that play action and he's
five yards free of his safety and you air that
thing out and that's where those explosives come in. Jamison
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Williams certainly a weapon that I think most teams would
love to have on their team. But Addison certainly the
do it all combined with a lot of the speed
and and the route running, the preciseness of his game
is better.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Now, let me tell you this.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
If Jamison Williams is running running wide open over the
middle of the field on Sunday afternoons and you're seeing
that speed in real time. Yeah, we're gonna we're not
gonna look good. And both we sitting here Viking like
this guy when he has the ball in his hands
or running vertical, I mean, the speed is at an
entirely different level. And I do his presence also to me,
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like it's like a vertical stretch that opens up space
in the intermediate area of the field and the shorter
areas of the field for amen ra in a way
that you probably don't.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Well, that's a complimentary angle right again, you know, getting
you know, we see it with Jefferson and Addison on
the field.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
They have different.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Body types and different skill sets and like they they
have their tools in the tool belt are so different
that they can press certain buttons when they need to.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
What's the trifecta, Jefferson, Alman Ross, Saint Brown. It's a
Breeders Cup Friday and Saturday. So I'm all about Trifecta's
who fill the bottom of the try Yeah Addison? Okay,
so the super effective bottom of the top four filled
by Jamison Williams. Now, if you want to get to
the pent effecta or if you want to hit the
pick five with five singles and you got Justin Jefferson,
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a'm and Ross Saint Brown, Jordan Addison, Jamison Williams. How
do we finish that fifth spot?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
What do we do?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Not Ty Felton. For me, it would probably be Jalen Naylor.
Jalen Naylor would be the guy Ramon.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Now, with Raymond, if you draft him, you get the
returning ability boom.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And he's really good. He is, and he.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Did dust somebody last year in one of the games.
Believe it was Stefan Gilmour maybe just fell down in
the red zone and it was a Khalif Raymond touchdown
over the middle, that's great. So yeah, but Jalen Naylor,
I I seriously believe this, Jalen Naylor. If if other
teams leading into free agency this year, if the Vikings
don't resign him and he hits the market and there
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are other teams who watched the film in terms of
their evaluation, he is going to get paid. Jalen Naylor,
and he's been available. I give him a ton of credit.
Had the hand injury coming out of training camp, did
not miss the game, has been really solid and I
guess I mean Adam Thielen would be a receiver that
we we haven't talked about.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, well he moves the chains on third down. That's
about all we've seen, not in the Bears game.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Pointers. First of all, what is it when you hit
all five in horse racing?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
We're gonna call it a pick five? Just to pick five? Okay,
Now I've consecutive like a Quinn Tupple. Now there's like
some kind effective, but are super high five? I don't
really know.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I just do show bets.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
So I mean, I just try to keep it saw
at Chelsea Bill ups the There's part of me like situationally,
if you're just and it pains me to do it.
In some ways, I think Khalif Raymond, and we saw
him earlier. I think it was with the Titans. Really,
I think over the course of his career situationally, Khaliff
Raymond has been the guy that has his speed. He
has been the secondary or to the third option. He
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does have the return ability, which matters. Whereas we saw
the Muffett Lambell a year ago. I'm not trusting Naylor
back there ever. Again.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Uh, in some ways I kind of have.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
To go Khalif just because of his utility and how
he's been used, and I think he has a better
overall resume than Jalen.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Naylor, despite the fact I.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Prefer I would prefer to say his name, but I
think you get more run out of Khalif and he's
been more productive in his career.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Now I respect what Nordo just did. Uh Naylor might
have have had more touchdowns last year than Nail than
Raymonds had in his entire career receiving uh so the
res from a resume standpoint, I might dispute that a
little bit, even though in truncated fashion. However, the only
way to turn a little into a lot and manipulate
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a pick by pull, you gotta have a long shots
body in there.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And he got his long shots body. Believe Raymond.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
I almost went long shot with the slow because I
think he has two or three catches and.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I brought two of them are touching one and three
catches to TD.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
And their unbelievable, you know, old school Sports Center top
ten touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So this just this, this lockhat is going to be
somebody if we're focused on digging into the red zone.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
There he's the guy to watch for if they go
four wide. There were some people in the Vikings building
who liked this law on the draft.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, yeah, did you hear that before he caught two
touchdowns on three?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Absolutely heard it back in March.
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Speaker 1 (19:24):
I'll let that miller handle that. If his name was
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It's Thousand Hills Vikes Bites First, alec can and or
will Minnesota establish a run versus the Lions.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's gonna be really hard. The Lions run defense is good,
uh prety seven to seven a game. It's a fourth
best in the NFL. Yeah, I mean they're good there.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Their edges play the run well, whether it's Aiden Hutchinson
or al Kadeen Muhammad. This guy who kind of flashed
for me a little bit on Film five, Seleem McNeil,
came back and I kind of just like forgot how
good this guy is, or not forgot, but just didn't
probably you know, credit it enough. And then DJ Reider
is really good in the run. They've got some nose tackles.
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A guy I think his name's Roy Lopez who will
play it pretty well. Long hair the rookie Tylee Williams
will play the run and then their linebackers ANZELONEI is
like the Mario to Andrew van Gikles Luigi. Like those
guys are they look the same, they're a little different.
On one's numbers thirty four once is forty three.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And then Jack Campbell's gotten really good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Jack Campbell diagnoses things really well. He's not a great blitzer,
at least that didn't pop for me on film, but
he figures out, he finds where to be and he
can get off blocks. So it's gonna be hard to
establish a run game the Vikings, in my opinion, like
it needs to be creative, whether it's jet sweep to
Jalen Naylor, whether it's utilizing the screen game as an
(22:08):
extension of the run game. They have to find a
way to prevent from being in third and long, because
if you're in third and long against this defense where
you've got to drop back and air it out down
the field with this quarterback right now, that is just
going to be a suboptimal situation. Just have to find
a way to match the physicality. That's why I thought
(22:28):
what Chad talked about so much in the first hour
was right and good.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
The con the con has to I mean, looking at
establishing the run here. I think there has to be
a commitment to it, specifically early, and it's not and
Alec basically laid out everything in terms of what they're
up against from a physicality standpoint, I think reps in
rhythm means a lot to this, and the commitment will
start with you get one out of Mason, you get
(22:54):
one out of Aaron Jones, don't be afraid early in
this game to go.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Back to it on second and nine. I've just seen
out of.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Flow here from a play, and whether it's a scripting
standpoint down in distance, we saw it in the Chargers
game where you're down fourteen to three. You only ran
it five times in the first half. All those things included.
If it's a health standpoint because you're not liking what
you saw out of your backup offensive lineman, you have
Darisaw and you have O'Neill.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
If it is a.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Protecting JJ and get this thing moving standpoint, we need
to see more reps from that standpoint as well. When
they've committed to it this season, It's been in very
short doses, but Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's hard to believe this. You'll be shocked. Kevin O'Connell could.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Draw up some pretty damn good run and some run action,
whether it's getting Mason to the boundary and when we
get some push inside, we can be effective there as well.
To his point to Alex point with the screens and
just mixing it up the swing passes. Tried to do
it early on in complete Daron Jones in the Chargers game.
But the mix combined with true overall run against slam
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your head against a brick wall commitment that needs to happen.
I think it actually can have in this weekend because
it'll be so contrary to what we've shown through the
previous seven Vikes.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Bites from Buffalo Wild wins chan Assen for Allen Alabama
cornerback Terry on Arnold, He's missed the last two, should
be back this weekend. Zero interceptions in his career to
this point. Very Higley rapped it. What do you think
of Terry on Arnold and purportedly was good with the
Grimson time.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I mean he was a first round pick for a reason.
The guy has really good athleticism, he's physical and I mean,
I put this in our notes that we'll talk about
obviously later, but like, the way this Lion's team plays
coverage for me is like Flora is ish in that
that is their identity. Like they are gonna get up
in your face, they're gonna grab you, they're gonna be physical,
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they're gonna be annoying, and it's kind of on you
just to manage that. The receivers have to release off
the line of scrimmage, well, they have to match the physicality.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
They have to not complain if penalties.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Aren't called, because they're not to be called every snap,
and that is a major key to this game. Like
do I think terry On Arnold can stick with Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
One on one?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Like, absolutely not in any respect. But they have done
a good job against Justin in recent years playing double coverage,
which is why, like for me, this becomes a can
this be a one on one TJ.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Hockinson game?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
And and like there's not much that we've seen that
proves that it can be, but at some point you
need that to happen if they're gonna defend these guy
Tyrion Arnold, you know, he's a young player developing player
doesn't stand out as some exceptional cornerback.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But these guys are feisty. I will, I hope I
don't eat these words.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Terry on Arnold strikes me as being incredibly undisciplined. And
whether it's the penalties he can be had if we
get those one on one opportunities so certainly an a
topic into it.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
How much does how much are the Lions.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Able to get pressure without blitzing will factor into what
Terry on Arnold is able to do against Justin Jefferson,
but very talented, super athletic, not a ball hawking playmaker
at this stage of his career. After missing two games
all those penalties, he gets super handsy, he finds himself
in the wrong, wrong spot. He's not always tracking the
ball when he's in coverage downfield. There may be an
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opportunity for us to get at Terry on Arnold, and
I hope I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Eat my words.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The the ref this weekend, Uh oh, don't do it.
That's always that's always what the reps and officials don't matter.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
No, no, no, it's always an interesting conversation. My no,
my is in may Clarton. The only other thing I'll
say is I do expect I know it's it's bleak cakeman.
I expect him. I expect them to blitz.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And I think it's gonna be huge for Aaron Jones
and Jordan Mason to play, to be in the past
protection fase. It's gonna be huge for TJ. Hockinson to
chip on the edge like all that stuff. They have
not been afraid the Lions to heat the vikings up
and so like Jay McCarthy's quick decision making and the
protection unit being locked in.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, that stuff, to me's going to be important. I
think this is important too. So we will call it,
we will watch it, we will listen to it, we
will fan line it. But let's just keep this in mind. Okay,
Clay Martin and his crew called the eighth most penalties
of all the I believe it's seventeen staffs in the
NFL thirteen and a half Blacks per game.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So that's kind of nondescribed, middle of the road. But
here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And I'm texting with Nacho leeber now about does some
Sunday things that we're going to do early in the game,
and one of them is he wants to talk about
Lions corner, A Meek Robertson and his holding of Justin
Jefferson every single time they play, and how it's overlooked
a lot. I think a Meek Robertson a Meek is yeah,
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he's six year from Louisiana Tech.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
He and Justin played high school against high school. That's
what it was.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
So anyway, they've been dogs in a roundabout where known
each other for a long time. And but a Meek's
not as good as Justin one on one. Would we
agree with that? Yes, yeah, absolutely so, But but it's
so rare one on one. But to your point, off
the Young Alley doc, which is voluminous and fantastic, and
we'll get into it next segment. The Lions play a
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lot of man coverage, I mean a lot of man coverage,
and they're kind of.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Like a Meek. Yeah you're Louisiana Tech. This is LSU guy.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
He and Jamar had thirty nine receiving touchdowns in twenty nineteen,
the most in the history of FPS. Yes, we know
who he and they are, but you still got it.
So the the a Meek holds Justin a lot in
sneaky fashion and it doesn't get called so here's why
I went into this.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Clay Martin staff.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Uh, they call the second most defensive holdings of any
staff in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
It's interesting, it's really nice.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Commissioner Goodell put that stat there at Ford Field in
a game like this, you know, for a three and
fourteen trying to get the orange for Do.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
You think in football at all there's ever the crossing
the cross talker of how people talk about SGA and
how he's always looking to find that foul. Is there
crossed by Jordan rules?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah? In some ways, you know, And it's gosh, Andy Edwards.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
In some ways he doesn't have the calls because maybe
he fights through contact more. I don't know, Mahomes maybe,
I mean, is is there a cross talker in the NFL?
Not really, But I'm thinking about defensive holding and.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Such where you you'll see the history onics.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
But aren't there always like people on Halloween dressing up
like Cleete Blakeman and like the person walking with them
as Patrick Mahomes or Andy Reid or something.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, that's easy.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I've seen the photoshop of Mahomes lovingly embracing Bill Vinovich.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I've seen that floating around social media, all right, Bikes.
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Speaker 1 (29:50):
Bae Play Trake Jared Jared Gobbs, Jared Goffs work at
the line of scrimmage. Yeah, this is in the document
and it complements and or amplifies something that'll come up
very early in the game call this weekend and maybe
a little later today. Goff seventy four and a half
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percent all right, second best completion percentage this year in
the NFL, behind Drake May who's seventy five and small
change Goff.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
We said it earlier.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's not seven step drop, go ahead and throw that
thing occasionally.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
It is.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's three or five step drops and get those guys
in stride. It plays into what Alec Lewis said earlier.
These guys have been together a while. That really really
really matters coaches and players. But the work he does
at the line of scrimmage, it's underrated, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, you don't see it or it's hard to really
spot unless you're looking for it. But he is always
you know, whether it's three plays in the huddle, two
plays in the huddle, and then they're identifying the defense
and he's putting his hands up to his helmet.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
You're wondering what that means.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
He's getting them into the premium play that he thinks
is gonna his best.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
To attack the opposing defense.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
And because they've been in the same system for so long,
like he's done this consistently and has such command doing it.
I would say, like Golf, that is one of his
strengths is at the line of scrimmage getting them into
the premiere play. And then his velocity on throws when
he has time is really good and the accuracy is
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spot on all.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
The time too. So like if you're not applying pressure.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
We haven't even talked about the Lions new look interior
offensive line once the show. And if you can't like
affect him, get him off his spot and make him uncomfortable,
which you can't.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
You can't do that, he's just gonna pick you apart.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And we've seen that covering these games in the past year,
probably two years.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Yeah, it's a big interior rush game from that standpoint,
but Golf is just so smart.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
The cohesion that they have.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
As we look at Nantalyze our team, the lack of
cohesion and specifically at the top spot is really one
of the problems that has persisted with this team so
acing that it's jj season, but with goff Man and
going back to the wide receiver chat, and part of
his ability to do that again comes from the fact
that it isn't seven step drops. They'll try to find
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Jamison Williams in those mismatches maybe twice or three times
a game, but the majority of it, and why I'm
and Ross Saint Brown is such a stud and a
star and well compensated for it is because it is
three steps. You got Laporte on and out and then
just maybe overlapping or meshing is always am and ra
and he's always freaking open because it's so fast, it's
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so quick, and his ability to adjust his IQ and
intelligence at the line is as good as it gets.
Would that be seventy four percent? That'd be an NFL
record if he's that wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
No, Maybe, well May's ahead of him, it's seventy five,
But yeah, I don't know what the NFL record is.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
That's just that's just freaking insane.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, let's take it a step bar there, just off
what you had something else.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well, it's just it's insane for that team.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Again, from the idea that we talked about the explosives,
we talk about stopping the run and everything, but just
at a base level, what we want to see from
our offense.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
At the highest of levels.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
You're kind of seeing that on the other sideline this
weekend against the kiddies.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It's something to root for, shoot for with JJ.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
How about golf the last two versus the Vikings with
the completion percentage eighty four percent. He's completed eighty four
percent of his passes the last two against the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
What was the one? I think in Minnesota last year?
He may have? He may have? Did he have? It
was like perfect game.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
It was like twenty two of twenty four, twenty two
of twenty five. I remember texting it with the Vikings
coach after the game. It's just like what are we what?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Like it's too hot for me to say, and how
and how is Mike Zorrovo Yeah, And it's like it's
like how what are I mean?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
It's just crazy, but yeah, I uh. This offense, Like
to Ordo's point, the continuity is such a part of it,
and that is it's such a dichotomy when you think
about the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Offense right now.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
You haven't had connuity of the offensive line, you haven't
had continuity with like all your receivers because Addison was
out with the suspension. I mean it's he wasn't in
the first quarter in London. It's just like, how can
you honestly looking at it from afar, how could you
possibly beat like rhythmic and locked in if you haven't
all even been together. It's it's that's a really hard
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thing to have.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
That's why it's the baseline this weekend too. If they
if they lose, push him to the wire.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Absolutely, if they lose, Oh, ed us Lee being like
we threw punches, okay, we were physical like they were.
If it's an unraveling forty one to seventeen, I mean
it is gonna be rough. Rough.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
It's a Friday football feast of Buffalo Wild Wings, Jan Assen,
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nine to Noon, and I'm Paul Allen back.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
After this.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Friday football feast Bubbalo Wild Wings, chant Assen and alec
Lewis is nice enough to put together a a very
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Speaker 2 (35:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
That has some film watching to it, looking back at
the adversaries previous game, some Minnesota vikings related details and
minutia and stats and analytics and stuff like that. It's
born of hard work and we greatly appreciated. Thus we
call it Ya's Doc, Young Alex Doc, and we we
spread it out over a couple of secments because there's
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a lot to share. And I'd like to begin here
with Georgia rookie Tate Ratledge, the right guard for the
Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
You you wrote about him. What have you seen from him?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yes, second round pick, right guard from Georgia. He's uh,
he's kind of like a grinder, bigger body guy, not
the most like fleet of foot, but he's big.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And he's strong.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I mean, it's it's really interesting that they have transitioned
on the interior where the right guard is a rookie
second round pick and the left guard is a sixth
round pick. That's like a cup been in their pipeline
for a couple of years, and you got to give
credit to their old line coach, run game coordinator Hank Freeley.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Oh yeah, I used to be here. Yeah, one of
my very favorites.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
You give credit to him for the development, for sticking
with those guys, for inspiring confidence.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Not going with Ben right, I mean badly.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
And I think he got a massive pay bump and
they might have put a slash in his title so
he's like assistant or something, coordinator or something.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, but I would say, and and maybe Jason Hatch,
who's the lionsman, would disagree. But like, I don't think
the Lions interior has been phenomenal. Like, I really don't
think that it's been great. I do in some ways
believe that they're gettable. You just have to be able
to knock them back and then place them in long
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downs and distances where they have to pass the deck like.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
But they'll pick up stunts fairly well. There. It's an
interesting group that's coming along.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I just don't it's not the strength that it that
it has been. And and for me, through the film,
you can kind of see that in the way that
they haven't run the football with as much juice and
momentum and efficiency as they have in the past.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That's just kind of my opinion. Got watch it.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
There's part of me that's kind of worried that this
is a vulnerable spot for the Lions, but part of
turning the page, part of how we make this an
absolute heavyweight battle on Sunday. I'm not sure we have
the guys that can go to work on the interior
right now to truly exploit that over the course of
the game. And PA's been really vocal and adamant, just
kind of running through Javon Hargrave's total snaps in the
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in most recent let's call it two or three games,
and I think Jonathan Allen has been more productive, maybe
not splashy, but certainly more stable on the interior. But
in some ways I feel like, okay, that's a spot.
Mahogany is a chance to get better, and he's better
than he was week one but in Glasgow and kind
of you know, he was the last guy around that
could play center, so now they move him from guard
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inside so Ratlic can play in his natural spot. I'm
just curious if we have somebody that can actually exploit
that at this stage.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
When you watch back Vikings games, because I you know,
I'm not watching defensive line as much as I probably should,
but I watched a lot closely off the Chargers game,
because when there's an aberration and you beat Cincinnati the
way you do or you lose to the Chargers the
way you do, that those are the ones that greatly
intrigue me to see how things got so out of control.
(39:08):
And despite a lot of negatives within that SOFI game,
I thought Jonathan Allen is starting it's starting to at
least in my opinion, it's starting to click resonate. He's
playing markedly more snaps than Javon Hargrave.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
But what do you think of Jonathan Allen? Yeah, he's
getting better.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
He's been solid, but I mean he's not paid to
be solid like he's paid to be great. And that's
I mean part of it. I've said this and I've
written it. The move that they made was to maybe
be a little less productive from a run defense standpoint,
but way more productive from a pass RUSS standpoint on
the interior.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
And they have been.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Much worse than a run deep from a run defense perspective,
and they have been not nearly good enough in a
pass rush perspective.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Now, I will say.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
This, Levi Drake Rodriguez has given some stuff in the
run game, and Jalen Redman has been the best interior
off best best interior defensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
On this ross and good for Jalen. But it's not
supposed to be that way.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
No, it's not right.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
That's the point as you pay these other two guys
who were thirty plus who were coming off injury, So
there was reason even at the time to be a
little skeptical of those decisions and that process, and that
skepticism that anybody may have had. That's that's bared out
to this point. I wonder I wrote this, and I
might be ridiculous, but like TAKEI Tamani, guys saw that
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was this UDFA from Oregon who played a little bit
last year then had an ankle injury. I almost just
wonder if to have more of a nose tackle body
in there would be beneficial.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I don't know if they would do it.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
He's on the practice squad, but I do kind of
wonder if that would be an answer.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
M HM alex Lois Nordo, Yours, Julie Paul Allen into
the final hour. We welcome our final guest into the
radio show. It's somebody who has helped us with the
great NFC North Debates at the Great Minnesota Clompfest, a
Lions representation from an inside standpoint, and that he watches
all the games and watches him back. That's around the
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corner on Kfam
Into the middle portion of the nine to noon Friday
football feast from Buffalo Wild Wings, Jan Assen Vikings and
the MotorCity Kiddies.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
This weekend, the pre.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Game of ten am with Maine Man Muss and then
the kickoff from a Ford Field, one of my favorite
stadiums in the NFL, that'll take place at noon against
the five and two Detroit Lions. Meanwhile, we break from
the football and the tedium we talk about hockey. Sure,
it was just another wonderful moment night local Minnesota sports saying.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
They they didn't control the puck.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Now they didn't control the puck. I mean the neutral
zone trap might have been off half. They lose to
sid said the kid you got the half wall. Yeah,
you know the the Minnesota Let's just get this out
of our systems, please. The Minnesota Timberwolves tried to lose
Sunday to a really bad Indiana Pacers team. Uh, but Date,
for whatever the reason, wouldn't let them lose. So they
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had the audacity to win outside of that. I mean,
you got uh you have Loserville sounds better in FM
eight days ago against Scott Mattlocke. Uh. Then the next
night at Crypto Dot com Pinch's team takes an owl
and how is Jake Lavia and Jake Laravia with his
twenty sevens unbelievable? And then Anthony Edwards goes down for
(01:45):
two weeks with a swoon over his hammy wild of
lost five in a row. Pj's team lost by thirty
eight for a tucker guys, you're the one that started it.
And Sid the kid rolls into town last night, goes
immortality on the bit and we lose four to one.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I'm trying to get it out of my system. You
guys have been on the radio. We can get it
out of your system. This is my opportunity right now.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, it's out of the system officially into this weekend's game.
But we break from that tedium for something we craft
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Speaker 2 (02:17):
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Speaker 2 (02:47):
I hop in honor of Paul.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
The Paul being Paul Charchiam who co hosted the Friday
Football Feast from two thousand and nine until last year.
Maybe listening now if he is, Hello, Paul, best of
luck with your fantasy and this weekend. So we opted
to do a segment celebrating Paul charchiing and his contributions
to the Friday Football Feast for a decade and a half.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I hop get it in honor of Paul, and we
score it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
What we do is receiving a rushing touchdowns six points,
passing touchdowns four points.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
We don't mess around with yards.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
And last week or last time we did a feast Monticello,
it was tight ends. And now, granted these are some
prominent names, but we kind of lit it up for you.
Nordo gave Jake Ferguson Cowboys two touchdowns. I gave Trey
McBride Arizona two touchdowns, and Young Alec gave Ty Warren
(03:42):
Indianapolis Colts and he had a touchdown. So it's five
combined touchdowns, and here are the scores into this week
where we machinate or machinate with wide receivers. It is
yours truly has twenty four points, so you're winning. Yeah,
but how about this? I mean we got three as
we head up the barn side and approach the middle
stages of the Breeders Cup Football sprint, I have twenty
(04:06):
four points.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You and Nordo each have twenty two. I heard Chauncey
billis bet on you to win this. No, that was
Terry Rozier.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Okay, but yeah, he but I can't find him to
pay the forty grand that is supposedly paid. Shocking right,
and his X ray glasses were able to look through
my notes to figure out exactly who I was going
to take.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Weren't at his house when they split the money.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Twenty four, twenty two to twenty two. We do wide
receivers this week. Wide receivers this week, and Alex lewis no,
Nordo goes first. Nordo goes first. You pick one player
touchdowns only, and we'll see what you got.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
I'm going full Roob mode because I'm so obsessed with
JJ season. I'm so obsessed with JJ McCarthy series, and
I need to see something this weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And why Justin has one touchdown this year?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, and it was from the arm of JJ McCarthy,
Thank you, Opening night, Soldier Field. And so from a
fantasy standpoint, from a reality standpoint, I'm feeling nine targets,
seven receptions, one hundred and seventeen yards about bat and
a touchdown on Sunday at fort Field.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Justine, how many targets he's gonna have? Nine targets? Nine
and then we go seven, one, seventeen and one.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
That's right, That is correct. That will be the stat
lie for number eighteen. Yeah, that's my pick in honor
of Paul.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, JJ McCarthy win lose Jefferson if he hits that
is in the montage.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
That's fantastic. How you did that?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Hey, Sullen defeated negative Vikings fans in our little baby game.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I hop in honor of Paul.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Eric Nordquist just picked Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
What do you think of that?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Let's go, come on, let's get excited about JJ McCarthy
take two and his best target on the team is
gonna be Justin Jefferson and.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He'll get into the end zone this weekend. Something to
hope for. He always does get the Lions pretty good.
Median income goes up and the noise goes down.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
No, he's had a career season level of stats against
the kiddies.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, and he'll extend that this finn is it on me?
What you're got to do? I think my pick's gonna
be Jamar Chase. Okay, really? Can I do that?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Well?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Because I thought you were gonna take Almond Ross Saint Brown,
So I took Chase. No, you're not taking amend Ross
Aint Brown.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
They're playing the Bear.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
No, No, I'm not taking This could be a Jamison
Williams game. I'm not I'm not certain the Lions could
go Jamiir Gibbs could run for a lot, David Montgomery.
They've got a lot of weapons. I'm not really sure.
So Jamar Chase against the Bears. I don't think Joe
Flacco is gonna play, which I hope you're okay with that.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I know Joe Flacco, you really you really love, But
almost as much as Greg McElroy.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Jake Browning, uh and Jamar Chase against Nashan, Right, I
think I'm gonna go with that selection.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So basically, that's your way of saying you don't care
about the baby game.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
No, No, it's my way of saying, that's gonna throw
a dart and take a name. I'm gonna win the game.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, I'm gonna say jam Jamar Chase catches, he scores,
He catches like a million passes. For some reason, I
say this every week they allow Jamar Chase to just
run slants, and I don't feel like Justin Jefferson ever
runs a slant.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It doesn't make any sense to me. It will be
Browning this weekend though, right, it's fifty to fifty. Browning
will layer it out. He'll throw you a few.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
But yeah, I mean the Bears are down their top
three corners exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
And even if they Tyreek Stevenson, like I mean, I
don't know who they have, but it's not gonna be pretty.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
So jam you didn't take Almon Ross and Brown Are
you gonna take Amen Roe? Of course?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Not?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Okay, yeah, but see that's part of my brand, part
of your brand. Wrecking vibes are rooting against the team.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Right, that's what everybody thinks these days. It's fritst Off
it's tough. I mean, yeah, I thought about I told
you this all fair. I thought about going to the
locker room today wearing a clown suit.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, okay, well jeez, all right, so maybe I'll take
Poop and the DeVante.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, Chris Greer is out the Dolphins GM.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I'm gonna is he. Uh, I'm gonna take T Higgins.
I'm taking T Higgins against this bad bear the other.
All right, we're both gonna have is gonna roll right
by us and the bad boy Brown he's gonna throw
four picks and no touchdowns. We're gonna get stuck and
he's gonna have one. He's gonna take the lead.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Will be a disaster one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
That Uh, that's ie hop. By the way, isn't it
special in honor of Paul? As in Paul Charchire? So hello, Paully.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Game games a lot. Let's let's do this, let's marathon.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Let's uh, let's consider all of the receivers in this
Vikings Lions game. Okay, right, and that would include Isaac
Isaac to slop to slop.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
What about Jalen Naylor? He's in?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Can he get rewarded for how good he's looked, ye
has look good mm hm.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
O'Connell Tuesday said he was having a sneaky good season.
And I even framed that thing up like, for circumstances
mostly out of Jalen's control, I think he's had which
is a roundabout way of saying the quarterbacks are getting
sacked or they're not seeing him, but Jalen Naylor's having
any terrific season.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So you with Kevin, it was like, is Jalen Naylor
having a sneaky Yes, that's what he was.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
He was.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
He was like, yes, we need to get him the ball.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But yeah, And you know what, I should have come
to the press conference too, because there were a couple
of questions that that like, I didn't ask that I'm
listening to, and I'm like Seaford asked one about that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I'm like, damn man, I wish I had asked that.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Because then I could have amplified the situation and found
a way to become a third person to ask the
same question a third way.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I knew you're gonna go all praise Emily like her,
I'm gonna do it for a third time. Ladies and gentlemen,
Emily like her Start Tribune follower on Instagram Twitter, she
went to missoo, excess vikings, the whole thing, all Hail Emily.
She just sat back there at the press conference wondering,
Josh Oliver's a pretty important facet on this team, and
(10:11):
right at the wire she got into Josh Oliver question.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That's the only thing I was sitting there waiting for.
And Kevin said, glad you asked that. Yep.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And then four people asked the same Oliver question but
different ways, and the press conference was over.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
We missed you there. I would have loved to hear
you phrasing question. So you'll see me today.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I can't wait, no doubt, asking those pressing questions about
mismanagement and stuff like that to see where that goes.
Funny what happens when you go face to face with somebody, right,
all right?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Three?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Two? So if we were to lay, if we were
to lay the five four top five receivers in this game,
So let's look at it this way in the baby game. Uh,
it's not current situation. And no, I don't know who
your quarterback is, but there's a draft and you got
all these receivers and you can draft one first, one, second,
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and so on?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
How would you align or lay out the top five? Wow?
Tight ends included or no, just wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So Alan, you guys can just talk it out, Okay, justin,
let's go number five. Let's go five. No, No, let's
go one. It makes it easier, Okay. Number one would
be Jefferson justin, no question. Okay, why Jefferson and I agree?
But why I want to hear you guys are a
league football mindes.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Just all right? Three? Two?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
If why Jefferson absolutely over on and Ras Saint Brown,
I'll go first.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I guess my opinion is just justin. I mean, he's
he is everything. I mean, he's tough, he's the best
route runner in the NFL. His attitude is spectacular. The
way he leads has really impressed me over the last
couple of years.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, and and I mean every you know, he's he's
better than.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You think after the catch, he gets open, he doesn't
drop passes it the catch.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Point just so reliable. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yeah, And obviously I'm and Ra would be number two,
So that's where we're arguing.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So yeah, I'm am and Ra I think is absolutely terrific.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
I think, right now though you're looking at Justin Jefferson,
who has has continued to succeed, continued to produce with
six or seven different quarterbacks over the last few years here,
and so regardless of circumstances, he makes the catches. Regardless
of the circumstances, he runs every route, catches every ball.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
The drops don't exist.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
And the leadership in the the the attitude angle, I
think all of that plays in.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I would put JJ ahead of Amen Rock.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Okay, So why aman Ro Saint Brown's second and not
Jordan Addison or Jamison Williams. Yeah, I mean, Amen Ro
is not a deep threat, never has been. He's not
super fast. Uh, he's diminutive as receivers go. And he's
not a fast guy. That's why I got taken in
the fourth round.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, but he's just so savvy and so physical he
can you know. Part of the reason they are so good,
and Chad talked about this is they.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Marry the run the pass so well.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
If what Tevin O'Connell always talks about wanting the Vikings
offense to be, they do it at such a level.
Part of it is because they have receivers who play
such a role in the run blocking phase like aman
Ra does. So I just and and yeah, he is
not the vertical burner that that even Jordan Addison or
or Jamison Williams are.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
But but that's that makes it even more impressive than
Rendee catches one for eight and takes it seventy. He
might be and his my I mean again, even comparing
him to Justin Jefferson, are there two or three better
route runners?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Are there two or three better position.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Guys field guys that find spots and zones and turn
up and turn that five six yard catch into fifteen
and twenty. Im and Ra is one of the smartest
players on the field, I think.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
For the kiddies jagging him, so jj Justin Jefferson. First,
I'm on ros Saint Brown. Second, third, do we go Addison,
Jamison Williams, Khalif Raymond or Jalen Naylor.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I mean, yeah, it's Jordan Addison. Yeah it's Addison. I
think we would both go Addison. Yes, I just I
mean when this guy is healthy, available on the field,
and engaged, he is such a good route runner. He
has the vertical speed. He also is reliable at the
catch point. I mean, you just don't have the I
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mean he's not a physical presence near the line of scrimmage,
but just as like a separator as a receiver.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I mean he is up there. I mean in the leite.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
He's up there, and maybe I'm maybe I'm discounting him
and I can't. We'll talk to Jason Hatch about this
at eleven and he will.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
He will tell me.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
That Jamison Williams is not a one trick wide receiver,
but it feels that way, and in some ways maybe
he's held back with how the Lions use him. But
as much as the focus is on aman Ra, it's
Jamison Williams with that off that play action and he's
five yards free of his safety and you air that
thing out and that's where those explosives come in. Jamison
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Williams certainly a weapon that I think most teams would
love to have on their team. But Addison certainly the
do it all combined with a lot of the speed
and and the route running, the preciseness of his game
is better.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Now, let me tell you this.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
If Jamison Williams is running running wide open over the
middle of the field on Sunday afternoons and you're seeing
that speed in real time. Yeah, we're gonna we're not
gonna look good. And both we sitting here Viking like
this guy when he has the ball in his hands
or running vertical, I mean, the speed is at an
entirely different level. And I do his presence also to me,
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like it's like a vertical stretch that opens up space
in the intermediate area of the field and the shorter
areas of the field for amen ra in a way
that you probably don't.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Well, that's a complimentary angle right again, you know, getting
you know, we see it with Jefferson and Addison on
the field.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
They have different.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Body types and different skill sets and like they they
have their tools in the tool belt are so different
that they can press certain buttons when they need to.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
What's the trifecta, Jefferson, Alman Ross, Saint Brown. It's a
Breeders Cup Friday and Saturday. So I'm all about Trifecta's
who fill the bottom of the try Yeah Addison? Okay,
so the super effective bottom of the top four filled
by Jamison Williams. Now, if you want to get to
the pent effecta or if you want to hit the
pick five with five singles and you got Justin Jefferson,
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a'm and Ross Saint Brown, Jordan Addison, Jamison Williams. How
do we finish that fifth spot?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
What do we do?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Not Ty Felton. For me, it would probably be Jalen Naylor.
Jalen Naylor would be the guy Ramon.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Now, with Raymond, if you draft him, you get the
returning ability boom.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And he's really good. He is, and he.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Did dust somebody last year in one of the games.
Believe it was Stefan Gilmour maybe just fell down in
the red zone and it was a Khalif Raymond touchdown
over the middle, that's great. So yeah, but Jalen Naylor,
I I seriously believe this, Jalen Naylor. If if other
teams leading into free agency this year, if the Vikings
don't resign him and he hits the market and there
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are other teams who watched the film in terms of
their evaluation, he is going to get paid. Jalen Naylor,
and he's been available. I give him a ton of credit.
Had the hand injury coming out of training camp, did
not miss the game, has been really solid and I
guess I mean Adam Thielen would be a receiver that
we we haven't talked about.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, well he moves the chains on third down. That's
about all we've seen, not in the Bears game.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Pointers. First of all, what is it when you hit
all five in horse racing?
Speaker 5 (17:25):
We're gonna call it a pick five? Just to pick five? Okay,
Now I've consecutive like a Quinn Tupple. Now there's like
some kind effective, but are super high five? I don't
really know.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I just do show bets.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
So I mean, I just try to keep it saw
at Chelsea Bill ups the There's part of me like situationally,
if you're just and it pains me to do it.
In some ways, I think Khalif Raymond, and we saw
him earlier. I think it was with the Titans. Really,
I think over the course of his career situationally, Khaliff
Raymond has been the guy that has his speed. He
has been the secondary or to the third option. He
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does have the return ability, which matters. Whereas we saw
the Muffett Lambell a year ago. I'm not trusting Naylor
back there ever. Again.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Uh, in some ways I kind of have.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
To go Khalif just because of his utility and how
he's been used, and I think he has a better
overall resume than Jalen.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Naylor, despite the fact I.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Prefer I would prefer to say his name, but I
think you get more run out of Khalif and he's
been more productive in his career.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Now I respect what Nordo just did. Uh Naylor might
have have had more touchdowns last year than Nail than
Raymonds had in his entire career receiving uh so the
res from a resume standpoint, I might dispute that a
little bit, even though in truncated fashion. However, the only
way to turn a little into a lot and manipulate
(18:40):
a pick by pull, you gotta have a long shots
body in there.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And he got his long shots body. Believe Raymond.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
I almost went long shot with the slow because I
think he has two or three catches and.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I brought two of them are touching one and three
catches to TD.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
And their unbelievable, you know, old school Sports Center top
ten touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So this just this, this lockhat is going to be
somebody if we're focused on digging into the red zone.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
There he's the guy to watch for if they go
four wide. There were some people in the Vikings building
who liked this law on the draft.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, yeah, did you hear that before he caught two
touchdowns on three?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Absolutely heard it back in March.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
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Speaker 1 (19:24):
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Speaker 1 (20:48):
It's Thousand Hills Vikes Bites First, alec can and or
will Minnesota establish a run versus the Lions.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's gonna be really hard. The Lions run defense is good,
uh prety seven to seven a game. It's a fourth
best in the NFL. Yeah, I mean they're good there.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Their edges play the run well, whether it's Aiden Hutchinson
or al Kadeen Muhammad. This guy who kind of flashed
for me a little bit on Film five, Seleem McNeil,
came back and I kind of just like forgot how
good this guy is, or not forgot, but just didn't
probably you know, credit it enough. And then DJ Reider
is really good in the run. They've got some nose tackles.
(21:26):
A guy I think his name's Roy Lopez who will
play it pretty well. Long hair the rookie Tylee Williams
will play the run and then their linebackers ANZELONEI is
like the Mario to Andrew van Gikles Luigi. Like those
guys are they look the same, they're a little different.
On one's numbers thirty four once is forty three.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And then Jack Campbell's gotten really good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Jack Campbell diagnoses things really well. He's not a great blitzer,
at least that didn't pop for me on film, but
he figures out, he finds where to be and he
can get off blocks. So it's gonna be hard to
establish a run game the Vikings, in my opinion, like
it needs to be creative, whether it's jet sweep to
Jalen Naylor, whether it's utilizing the screen game as an
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extension of the run game. They have to find a
way to prevent from being in third and long, because
if you're in third and long against this defense where
you've got to drop back and air it out down
the field with this quarterback right now, that is just
going to be a suboptimal situation. Just have to find
a way to match the physicality. That's why I thought
(22:28):
what Chad talked about so much in the first hour
was right and good.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
The con the con has to I mean, looking at
establishing the run here. I think there has to be
a commitment to it, specifically early, and it's not and
Alec basically laid out everything in terms of what they're
up against from a physicality standpoint, I think reps in
rhythm means a lot to this, and the commitment will
start with you get one out of Mason, you get
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one out of Aaron Jones, don't be afraid early in
this game to go.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Back to it on second and nine. I've just seen
out of.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Flow here from a play, and whether it's a scripting
standpoint down in distance, we saw it in the Chargers
game where you're down fourteen to three. You only ran
it five times in the first half. All those things included.
If it's a health standpoint because you're not liking what
you saw out of your backup offensive lineman, you have
Darisaw and you have O'Neill.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
If it is a.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
Protecting JJ and get this thing moving standpoint, we need
to see more reps from that standpoint as well. When
they've committed to it this season, It's been in very
short doses, but Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's hard to believe this. You'll be shocked. Kevin O'Connell could.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Draw up some pretty damn good run and some run action,
whether it's getting Mason to the boundary and when we
get some push inside, we can be effective there as well.
To his point to Alex point with the screens and
just mixing it up the swing passes. Tried to do
it early on in complete Daron Jones in the Chargers game.
But the mix combined with true overall run against slam
(23:55):
your head against a brick wall commitment that needs to happen.
I think it actually can have in this weekend because
it'll be so contrary to what we've shown through the
previous seven Vikes.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Bites from Buffalo Wild wins chan Assen for Allen Alabama
cornerback Terry on Arnold, He's missed the last two, should
be back this weekend. Zero interceptions in his career to
this point. Very Higley rapped it. What do you think
of Terry on Arnold and purportedly was good with the
Grimson time.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I mean he was a first round pick for a reason.
The guy has really good athleticism, he's physical and I mean,
I put this in our notes that we'll talk about
obviously later, but like, the way this Lion's team plays
coverage for me is like Flora is ish in that
that is their identity. Like they are gonna get up
in your face, they're gonna grab you, they're gonna be physical,
(24:48):
they're gonna be annoying, and it's kind of on you
just to manage that. The receivers have to release off
the line of scrimmage, well, they have to match the physicality.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
They have to not complain if penalties.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Aren't called, because they're not to be called every snap,
and that is a major key to this game. Like
do I think terry On Arnold can stick with Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
One on one?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Like, absolutely not in any respect. But they have done
a good job against Justin in recent years playing double coverage,
which is why, like for me, this becomes a can
this be a one on one TJ.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Hockinson game?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
And and like there's not much that we've seen that
proves that it can be, but at some point you
need that to happen if they're gonna defend these guy
Tyrion Arnold, you know, he's a young player developing player
doesn't stand out as some exceptional cornerback.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But these guys are feisty. I will, I hope I
don't eat these words.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Terry on Arnold strikes me as being incredibly undisciplined. And
whether it's the penalties he can be had if we
get those one on one opportunities so certainly an a
topic into it.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
How much does how much are the Lions.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Able to get pressure without blitzing will factor into what
Terry on Arnold is able to do against Justin Jefferson,
but very talented, super athletic, not a ball hawking playmaker
at this stage of his career. After missing two games
all those penalties, he gets super handsy, he finds himself
in the wrong, wrong spot. He's not always tracking the
ball when he's in coverage downfield. There may be an
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opportunity for us to get at Terry on Arnold, and
I hope I don't.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Eat my words.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The the ref this weekend, Uh oh, don't do it.
That's always that's always what the reps and officials don't matter.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
No, no, no, it's always an interesting conversation. My no,
my is in may Clarton. The only other thing I'll
say is I do expect I know it's it's bleak cakeman.
I expect him. I expect them to blitz.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And I think it's gonna be huge for Aaron Jones
and Jordan Mason to play, to be in the past
protection fase. It's gonna be huge for TJ. Hockinson to
chip on the edge like all that stuff. They have
not been afraid the Lions to heat the vikings up
and so like Jay McCarthy's quick decision making and the
protection unit being locked in.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, that stuff, to me's going to be important. I
think this is important too. So we will call it,
we will watch it, we will listen to it, we
will fan line it. But let's just keep this in mind. Okay,
Clay Martin and his crew called the eighth most penalties
of all the I believe it's seventeen staffs in the
NFL thirteen and a half Blacks per game.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So that's kind of nondescribed, middle of the road. But
here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And I'm texting with Nacho leeber now about does some
Sunday things that we're going to do early in the game,
and one of them is he wants to talk about
Lions corner, A Meek Robertson and his holding of Justin
Jefferson every single time they play, and how it's overlooked
a lot. I think a Meek Robertson a Meek is yeah,
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he's six year from Louisiana Tech.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
He and Justin played high school against high school. That's
what it was.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
So anyway, they've been dogs in a roundabout where known
each other for a long time. And but a Meek's
not as good as Justin one on one. Would we
agree with that? Yes, yeah, absolutely so, But but it's
so rare one on one. But to your point, off
the Young Alley doc, which is voluminous and fantastic, and
we'll get into it next segment. The Lions play a
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lot of man coverage, I mean a lot of man coverage,
and they're kind of.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Like a Meek. Yeah you're Louisiana Tech. This is LSU guy.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
He and Jamar had thirty nine receiving touchdowns in twenty nineteen,
the most in the history of FPS. Yes, we know
who he and they are, but you still got it.
So the the a Meek holds Justin a lot in
sneaky fashion and it doesn't get called so here's why
I went into this.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Clay Martin staff.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Uh, they call the second most defensive holdings of any
staff in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
It's interesting, it's really nice.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Commissioner Goodell put that stat there at Ford Field in
a game like this, you know, for a three and
fourteen trying to get the orange for Do.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
You think in football at all there's ever the crossing
the cross talker of how people talk about SGA and
how he's always looking to find that foul. Is there
crossed by Jordan rules?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah? In some ways, you know, And it's gosh, Andy Edwards.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
In some ways he doesn't have the calls because maybe
he fights through contact more. I don't know, Mahomes maybe,
I mean, is is there a cross talker in the NFL?
Not really, But I'm thinking about defensive holding and.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Such where you you'll see the history onics.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
But aren't there always like people on Halloween dressing up
like Cleete Blakeman and like the person walking with them
as Patrick Mahomes or Andy Reid or something.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, that's easy.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I've seen the photoshop of Mahomes lovingly embracing Bill Vinovich.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I've seen that floating around social media, all right, Bikes.
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Speaker 1 (29:50):
Bae Play Trake Jared Jared Gobbs, Jared Goffs work at
the line of scrimmage. Yeah, this is in the document
and it complements and or amplifies something that'll come up
very early in the game call this weekend and maybe
a little later today. Goff seventy four and a half
(30:13):
percent all right, second best completion percentage this year in
the NFL, behind Drake May who's seventy five and small
change Goff.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
We said it earlier.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
It's not seven step drop, go ahead and throw that
thing occasionally.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
It is.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It's three or five step drops and get those guys
in stride. It plays into what Alec Lewis said earlier.
These guys have been together a while. That really really
really matters coaches and players. But the work he does
at the line of scrimmage, it's underrated, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, you don't see it or it's hard to really
spot unless you're looking for it. But he is always
you know, whether it's three plays in the huddle, two
plays in the huddle, and then they're identifying the defense
and he's putting his hands up to his helmet.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
You're wondering what that means.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
He's getting them into the premium play that he thinks
is gonna his best.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
To attack the opposing defense.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
And because they've been in the same system for so long,
like he's done this consistently and has such command doing it.
I would say, like Golf, that is one of his
strengths is at the line of scrimmage getting them into
the premiere play. And then his velocity on throws when
he has time is really good and the accuracy is
(31:28):
spot on all.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
The time too. So like if you're not applying pressure.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
We haven't even talked about the Lions new look interior
offensive line once the show. And if you can't like
affect him, get him off his spot and make him uncomfortable,
which you can't.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
You can't do that, he's just gonna pick you apart.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And we've seen that covering these games in the past year,
probably two years.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Yeah, it's a big interior rush game from that standpoint,
but Golf is just so smart.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
The cohesion that they have.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
As we look at Nantalyze our team, the lack of
cohesion and specifically at the top spot is really one
of the problems that has persisted with this team so
acing that it's jj season, but with goff Man and
going back to the wide receiver chat, and part of
his ability to do that again comes from the fact
that it isn't seven step drops. They'll try to find
(32:18):
Jamison Williams in those mismatches maybe twice or three times
a game, but the majority of it, and why I'm
and Ross Saint Brown is such a stud and a
star and well compensated for it is because it is
three steps. You got Laporte on and out and then
just maybe overlapping or meshing is always am and ra
and he's always freaking open because it's so fast, it's
(32:41):
so quick, and his ability to adjust his IQ and
intelligence at the line is as good as it gets.
Would that be seventy four percent? That'd be an NFL
record if he's that wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
No, Maybe, well May's ahead of him, it's seventy five,
But yeah, I don't know what the NFL record is.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
That's just that's just freaking insane.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, let's take it a step bar there, just off
what you had something else.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Well, it's just it's insane for that team.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Again, from the idea that we talked about the explosives,
we talk about stopping the run and everything, but just
at a base level, what we want to see from
our offense.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
At the highest of levels.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
You're kind of seeing that on the other sideline this
weekend against the kiddies.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It's something to root for, shoot for with JJ.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
How about golf the last two versus the Vikings with
the completion percentage eighty four percent. He's completed eighty four
percent of his passes the last two against the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
What was the one? I think in Minnesota last year?
He may have? He may have? Did he have? It
was like perfect game.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
It was like twenty two of twenty four, twenty two
of twenty five. I remember texting it with the Vikings
coach after the game. It's just like what are we what?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Like it's too hot for me to say, and how
and how is Mike Zorrovo Yeah, And it's like it's
like how what are I mean?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
It's just crazy, but yeah, I uh. This offense, Like
to Ordo's point, the continuity is such a part of it,
and that is it's such a dichotomy when you think
about the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Offense right now.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
You haven't had connuity of the offensive line, you haven't
had continuity with like all your receivers because Addison was
out with the suspension. I mean it's he wasn't in
the first quarter in London. It's just like, how can
you honestly looking at it from afar, how could you
possibly beat like rhythmic and locked in if you haven't
all even been together. It's it's that's a really hard
(34:28):
thing to have.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
That's why it's the baseline this weekend too. If they
if they lose, push him to the wire.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Absolutely, if they lose, Oh, ed us Lee being like
we threw punches, okay, we were physical like they were.
If it's an unraveling forty one to seventeen, I mean
it is gonna be rough. Rough.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
It's a Friday football feast of Buffalo Wild Wings, Jan Assen,
alec Lewis, the Athletic, Theathletic dot Com Noordo producer of
nine to Noon, and I'm Paul Allen back.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
After this.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Friday football feast Bubbalo Wild Wings, chant Assen and alec
Lewis is nice enough to put together a a very
detailed and informative document for the nine to noon presentation.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
That has some film watching to it, looking back at
the adversaries previous game, some Minnesota vikings related details and
minutia and stats and analytics and stuff like that. It's
born of hard work and we greatly appreciated. Thus we
call it Ya's Doc, Young Alex Doc, and we we
spread it out over a couple of secments because there's
(36:10):
a lot to share. And I'd like to begin here
with Georgia rookie Tate Ratledge, the right guard for the
Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
You you wrote about him. What have you seen from him?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yes, second round pick, right guard from Georgia. He's uh,
he's kind of like a grinder, bigger body guy, not
the most like fleet of foot, but he's big.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And he's strong.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I mean, it's it's really interesting that they have transitioned
on the interior where the right guard is a rookie
second round pick and the left guard is a sixth
round pick. That's like a cup been in their pipeline
for a couple of years, and you got to give
credit to their old line coach, run game coordinator Hank Freeley.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Oh yeah, I used to be here. Yeah, one of
my very favorites.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
You give credit to him for the development, for sticking
with those guys, for inspiring confidence.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Not going with Ben right, I mean badly.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
And I think he got a massive pay bump and
they might have put a slash in his title so
he's like assistant or something, coordinator or something.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, but I would say, and and maybe Jason Hatch,
who's the lionsman, would disagree. But like, I don't think
the Lions interior has been phenomenal. Like, I really don't
think that it's been great. I do in some ways
believe that they're gettable. You just have to be able
to knock them back and then place them in long
(37:30):
downs and distances where they have to pass the deck like.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
But they'll pick up stunts fairly well. There. It's an
interesting group that's coming along.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I just don't it's not the strength that it that
it has been. And and for me, through the film,
you can kind of see that in the way that
they haven't run the football with as much juice and
momentum and efficiency as they have in the past.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That's just kind of my opinion. Got watch it.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
There's part of me that's kind of worried that this
is a vulnerable spot for the Lions, but part of
turning the page, part of how we make this an
absolute heavyweight battle on Sunday. I'm not sure we have
the guys that can go to work on the interior
right now to truly exploit that over the course of
the game. And PA's been really vocal and adamant, just
kind of running through Javon Hargrave's total snaps in the
(38:18):
in most recent let's call it two or three games,
and I think Jonathan Allen has been more productive, maybe
not splashy, but certainly more stable on the interior. But
in some ways I feel like, okay, that's a spot.
Mahogany is a chance to get better, and he's better
than he was week one but in Glasgow and kind
of you know, he was the last guy around that
could play center, so now they move him from guard
(38:39):
inside so Ratlic can play in his natural spot. I'm
just curious if we have somebody that can actually exploit
that at this stage.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
When you watch back Vikings games, because I you know,
I'm not watching defensive line as much as I probably should,
but I watched a lot closely off the Chargers game,
because when there's an aberration and you beat Cincinnati the
way you do or you lose to the Chargers the
way you do, that those are the ones that greatly
intrigue me to see how things got so out of control.
(39:08):
And despite a lot of negatives within that SOFI game,
I thought Jonathan Allen is starting it's starting to at
least in my opinion, it's starting to click resonate. He's
playing markedly more snaps than Javon Hargrave.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
But what do you think of Jonathan Allen? Yeah, he's
getting better.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
He's been solid, but I mean he's not paid to
be solid like he's paid to be great. And that's
I mean part of it. I've said this and I've
written it. The move that they made was to maybe
be a little less productive from a run defense standpoint,
but way more productive from a pass RUSS standpoint on
the interior.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
And they have been.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Much worse than a run deep from a run defense perspective,
and they have been not nearly good enough in a
pass rush perspective.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Now, I will say.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
This, Levi Drake Rodriguez has given some stuff in the
run game, and Jalen Redman has been the best interior
off best best interior defensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
On this ross and good for Jalen. But it's not
supposed to be that way.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
No, it's not right.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
That's the point as you pay these other two guys
who were thirty plus who were coming off injury, So
there was reason even at the time to be a
little skeptical of those decisions and that process, and that
skepticism that anybody may have had. That's that's bared out
to this point. I wonder I wrote this, and I
might be ridiculous, but like TAKEI Tamani, guys saw that
(40:29):
was this UDFA from Oregon who played a little bit
last year then had an ankle injury. I almost just
wonder if to have more of a nose tackle body
in there would be beneficial.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I don't know if they would do it.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
He's on the practice squad, but I do kind of
wonder if that would be an answer.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
M HM alex Lois Nordo, Yours, Julie Paul Allen into
the final hour. We welcome our final guest into the
radio show. It's somebody who has helped us with the
great NFC North Debates at the Great Minnesota Clompfest, a
Lions representation from an inside standpoint, and that he watches
all the games and watches him back. That's around the
(41:05):
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