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Speaker 1 (00:04):
The light is over.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Nordo win for PA It's vocal maintenance season. The host
returns tomorrow and in studio with me now is Pete
Nigerian at Pete Nagerian via X follow him as I do.
Outstanding Gophers linebacker in the eighties, spent time in the
NFL with both our beloved Purple the Vikings as well
as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And this all came together,

(00:51):
by the way, with the most exclusive lunch invitation in
the Greater Twin Cities area. That's cheers to Howard Bourne. Yeah,
who is most certainly listening. He'll call the He'll call
the eight hundred and three two zero five three two
six on end for all three hours. He'll send me
thirty text messages.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
You too, huh, Yes, you will.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Opinions both solicited and unsolicited. And that's why he's uh,
he's one of the best but but Pete, I must
admit you know by by name equity, I'm aware of
your background and what you've given to sports here locally
and beyond.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
But I kind of know.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
You more at my age at forty as as the
options guru. It's market rebellion, it's you and your brother John.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
It's the hair, it's the bitch, it's TV.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
What little hair we both have. We got some on
the rock, I guess that's what we can.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Absolutely but thank you for hanging out. This is this
is absolutely awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
That's my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
It's great to be with you. I listen to you
guys all the time, as you know, I mean, we
go back and forth once in a while. But you know,
I know a lot of the different hosts here and
they're great. And justin Gard of course in with the
Gophers all these years, and he and I've developed a
great friendship. And at the Cal Minnesota game this past
year at halftime, he had me out on the field
with him talking about what was going on and all
that stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
So really a lot of fun. I have a lot
of ties to k Fan. No, that's absolutely you do.
And you know what, before we get because the pathway
forward as we've kind of framed it up nine to
noon with with the Vikings is I mean, this is
the time slot that is typically uber positive, right. I
don't look for reasons my team's going to lose. I

(02:31):
look for team reasons on why my team may win.
The pathway forward is dire, But I do want to
start on the college side. You mentioned it your connection
to the Gophers, of course, and your work with jg
and all that. That's tremendous, but just kind of at
the outset a guy that played at a high level.
We were joking about the combine during the break. The
evolution of the players themselves is one thing. The evolution

(02:53):
of the business of college football is a whole different beast.
And trying to navigate and I'm just curing is as
you've been close to this, this program for so long
and just watching it move forward the way it has
and how Pj's operating things now, Like what where's your
head at when you think about college football and it's
it's it's a it's a younger Pete Nigerian making plays

(03:16):
on Saturdays and marooning gold to now.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Watching it on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
What hits you when you when you think about just
how much things have changed.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
It's professional football. Really, It's an easy answer when you
think about the portal, that's your free agency. You look
at nil money, and obviously that's your salary. But that's
what it's really become. And one of the things that
bothered me early on, and I was very vocal about this,
was hey, look, I don't I don't mind it all.
I think players should get some sort of money, maybe
some sort of cut flow, so to speak. But I

(03:46):
think that they they've gone way too far. And I
also think that early on I would have said, you
know what, why is the NFL so much bigger than
the NBA, the NHL and everybody else. They have these
salary caps. And I know we're going to talk about
that with the Vikings because they've got some issues with
the salary cap, but I think that that would be
something that would at least be helpful. I think they
also should have figured out, hey, look, we don't want

(04:08):
these guys to transfer every single year to another university,
which we're seeing more and more of that all the time.
And the problem with that is at the very end,
let's say you made some money along the way, you
probably unfortunately got rid of a lot of that money
on various things, cars and whatever it might be. But
the reality is you don't have a degree either, because
how on earth can how do they even stay in

(04:32):
a position academically to be eligible to play? I don't
know how they do it. I was a pre med guy,
and I'd studied day and night when I wasn't on
the football field, and I was always wanting to go
in my dad's footsteps and become a surgeon and all
the rest of that. But I was fortunate enough to
get in and play football long enough that I thought,
you know what, at thirty years old, I don't want

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to start medical school. I think I had to go
a different route. So I went to financial route. But
you know, when I look at these guys, I just
feel bad because they where is their path? You know
you were mentioning path? Where's their path? They get out
of college, they don't make it in the NFL because
very few do, And then what do you do? You
don't have a degree. Now you've got to figure out

(05:14):
what do you do the rest of your life? And
you probably did spend a good chunk of whatever that
money is and I really wish that the schools could
do a much better job with letting them not only
academically do better, but I think specifically, what do they
do with that money? Do they understand taxes? Do they
understand the fact that if you're in Minnesota, you pretty

(05:34):
much lose about fifty percent, right, I mean, because you've
got the state tax, you put that on with the
federal tax, and you're making one hundred grand, you're really
making fifty but you're going to spend one hundred grand.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, no, no doubt about that.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
And that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, But that's been you know, jumping kind of coupling
the NFL. It's been interesting to watch you hear really
sad stories sometimes from people that hey, how is it
possible that this guy made sixty million dollars in his
NFL career And now you hear he's involved in some
weird medicaid scam or something like that. And there's sadly

(06:07):
some former vikings that we've heard kind of doing, you know,
fraudulent activities and such, and and you know, whether it's
the NFL they bring I believe they bring rookies in.
They have these various seminars and like effectively, it's like, well,
here's a Jackie account, here's how.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
You've it's done. Some of those matter of facts. What's that?

Speaker 1 (06:24):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Like?

Speaker 4 (06:25):
I I spoke to the Giants a couple of years ago.
This is going back probably ten years ago, and I
just told him, you know, about financial literacy. And I've
talked to various teams in the NFL about this or
groups on the team I did running backs with because
I'm really good friends with Kennedy Palomalo and you know,
so we spoke. I spoke to the running backs about, hey,

(06:45):
this is really how it all works, because how does
Warren Sapp make a hundred million dollars and he's broke? Right?
I mean that that one's a Tampa Bay one back
my old world.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
But well, sadly some of that has been publicized, right,
I guess it's not all it's not all myster sadly
with Warren hlf as he is.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Right, but there's a lot of guys out there that,
you know, the money that they've made is gone, and
you know, I go through a very quick sort of
analysis of where it goes and how fast it goes.
I mean, the easy part is what I just mentioned.
So basically, if you're not in Florida or some of
the other no tax states, you're going to give up
about fifty percent of whatever you're making very close to it,

(07:22):
you know, so it makes it more difficult. So the
money that you're making, you're still going to spend it
right because you're in the NFL. So you've got to
have a big suite as all get out truck. You
also have to have some sort of a speedster sort
of a car. You also have to have all your
clothes made for you. You don't want to just go
in the store and buy it because everybody's got that exactly.
So by the time you go through all these things

(07:43):
in these numbers, and you know, let's be honest, you're probably, unfortunately,
because it's the NFL, you're going to get divorced if
you're married, but or you're going to get married and
have some kids and that's going to cost you money.
All those things kind of come into play, and you know,
I can make fun with it a little bit along
the way, and the guys do laugh and everything, but
the reality is, when it's said and done, how much

(08:05):
is left And that's where it's a problem because you've
got to buy mama house, and you've got to do this,
and you've got to do that. And I respect a
lot of the spending that goes on, but it unfortunately
turns into something far bigger than people ever really expect.
And I think that they just don't They don't keep
track of all that money as it's going out, you know,

(08:26):
and they you know, if you don't get that next contract,
that's a problem, and that's a real problem.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
And the next year is never promised, as we know
with the NFL in particular, but bringing it back to
the Gophers and college athletics in general, some would argue
that's a reason why that there should not be a cap.
There's a reason why they will chase every school because
I kind of romanticize the idea of putting on the

(08:52):
helmet or the jersey. Now I can say this from
the comfy confines of these studios here. I never put
on the helmet or the for a high end D
one institution institution, but as a room, as a fan,
the idea that this guy chose this university, he's going
to stay here, he lives out those four years, makes
those memories we root for him on Saturdays and then

(09:13):
hopefully see him on Sundays.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
The argument for it.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Would be, yeah, because that money is fleeting down the road.
So the ability for whatever it is as a nineteen
year old kid to put a couple of coins in,
maybe he does buy the vehicle and doesn't realize that
maybe does maybe insurance and maintenance and maybe five years
from now it's on blocks. Sadly, but but but but

(09:37):
one way or another, at least giving them that opportunity there,
there's there's a benefit to that too.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
Oh, there's no doubt about that. And I'm I'm not
against it. Like I said, I just start off, I'm
whatever amount of money they want to give. I mean,
court Pitquoy Perish is a great example. He could have
gone to Ohio State originally he came to Minnesota. Anyway, he's,
you know, from that little podunk town here in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Ristco's finest, right, this goes best and he's he's a
great kid, great athlete. He's probably one of the best
athletes I've seen at the University of Minnesota ever. And
I mean that when I say ever, And we've been
around for a long time and been around a lot
of guys that are very athletic, but he has something.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
He's really special. But I knew that at some point
he's just gonna have, you know, the taste is out there.
Oregon has a pretty much unlimited amount of money. Phil
Knight does a pretty good job of making sure. Yeah,
but you know, I was happy that we had him
as long as we did because I thought we might
lose him in Ohio. State tried to get him last year,
they didn't get him again, and then this year, of course,

(10:36):
we lose him to Oregon. So I don't mind them
chasing a little bit. I just think that, you know,
there's got to be some loyalty at some point in time, right,
I mean, there's something that I think has to happen.
And it's okay if you leave once, But I mean,
how many guys have you and I both read about
over the years, who three four school? I start at Auburn,
I go to Clemson, then I go over to Texas,

(10:57):
you know, and I finish at Texas A and M.
It's like, really, yeah, first of all, you're not getting
that degree because of that, And yeah, you made a
lot of money, but you probably spent a lot of
that money, so you're back into that same spot that
you probably would have been in anyway.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, first of all, he's twenty seven, so he probably
should have an MBA, and secondly, all the freshmen he's
buying them beer.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
So at least, if not the truth, right, there are.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Some good aspects to that. But as part of that,
I mentioned this to you off air. Michael Lombardi has
been a terrific guest with PA over the years and
former executive with the Patriots. He's in personnel. They're winning
super Bowls with Tom and Bill, and Bill goes to
North Carolina to the tar Heels and incomes Michael Lombardi

(11:41):
as a general manager, and that kind of hit me
as I tried to get him on as a guest
right around Super Bowl time. We love to do Super
Bowl stories and Lombardi's got several of them working with Belichick,
and he's like, I'm sorry, Nord's love joining you guys,
can't do it because I'm fully locked in. I'm not
doing media right now because I'm with the Tar Heels

(12:02):
and that's all good, but I'm just thinking about it.
Just the GM just again, you nailed it. It's professional
football man, and they're hiring these positions and paying these
guys a fair dollar to really manage these dollars and
cents now at a level we've never seen before.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
And then the band aid's been ripped off, the floodgates
have been open.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Man. I mean, it's a cool opportunity for somebody that
wants to be a GM. It just kind of hit
me around Super Bowl time, like, yeah, this ain't the
same anymore.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Yeah. Well, and the SEC. Actually, I don't know if
you saw this today, but the SEC came out and said, hey,
you know what, we're trying to figure out how we
can get this where you can't transfer every single year.
And it's interesting that they're the group that actually starting
it off. I actually would have guessed it might be
the Big ten or somebody like that, but sure, yeah,
the SEC. And you know, Lovardi is an amazing guy.
I know him well. And by the way, he was

(12:51):
the very first hire at North Carolina by Belichick. First hire,
not the OC, not the DC, none of that. Lombardi
I didn't know there was the first guy he grabbed.
Oh wow, just shows you how important he thinks that
really is to have that, and it is because they
really do control the personnel, now right, I mean, that's
that's who's gonna run that whole thing. So it's an

(13:12):
interesting thing. And you know what college college sports, especially football,
I think the general manager is really a key element
to this whole thing. And you know, I've had conversations
myself with different universities about this role. Some of them
are interesting, some of them not. But it's it's always
flattering to be asked some questions about that whole thing.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
No, certainly, let's let's do this.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Actually, because we kind of went off on the college
side of things, I do want your insight in terms
of just how you see things which are purple moving forward.
So we're gonna pause and then we're gonna go long
form Steve's marathon segment style on the Minnesota vikings here
post combine some financial levers that have been pulled that
still need to be pulled. Eight or nine selections in

(13:54):
the upcoming draft. Lots of work from mister Brazinski and
his bunch. Pete Najerian you heard his voice. He's in
student and we're going to transition to the purple here
around the corner.

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Speaker 1 (15:14):
And I got my washer and dryer.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
I got my fridge, my range, my dishwasher from them.
Twenty twenty five was a big year for the nord
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in studio to the Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
You want to talk about fridges or you want to talk.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
About football, football man the same, Let's do it. I
love it. I've never been tired of it. I swear
to you know I did. I did for a long
time playing wise, and then I actually was coaching back
in the original XFL, so I would work on the
trading floors in Chicago and then and then and the
owner when he when he called me up, he goes, hey,
can you uh, can you come coach with our guys? Don't? Yeah,

(15:52):
And I said, I'm a full day trader man. No.
He goes, could you make it on Fridays or Saturdays?
And I go, sure, I can make that. He goes done.
So I coached linebackers for the Chicago team.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
We'll change, we'll change practices until after the bell.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
That was pretty much it. It was really fun. It
was really fun. And then for a while I did
I did you know, can I say a four letter ESPN?
Can I say?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, that's why we're not offended by it?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I was.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I did a cool show on there.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
It was.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
It was sort of like the red Zone, except for
it was called goal line. It was its own channel
back in the day. So I did that for like
two three years. Literally you could jump to almost well,
whatever the number is of games going on in one
day and on TV, and it's probably close to eighty total.
We could pick every single one of those but if

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we owned it, if we but if you known it,
we could jump immediately. Otherwise it was like a five
second delay sure or whatever it was. It was great, man,
it was fun. It was the hardest work I ever
did because I'd worked in the financial world during by
day and then on Saturdays I go up there and
it was noon to midnight. No commercials, Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Me?

Speaker 4 (17:06):
And a play?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Well, that's first of all, that's a dream for someone
that has that passion. But on the roob side of things,
I mean that's the weeping and nash and teeth. Now
where with red Zone and everything? Hold on here, why
why are we Why are we minimizing screens? And now
we got a state farm at or something like that,
And I respect the state farm. State farm wants customers
and clients. But I was sold that red Zone was

(17:31):
a commercial free operation and it wasn't unbelievable. Yeah, now
the guys wearing a GMC hat.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
What is going on here?

Speaker 3 (17:42):
But okay, so now I'm kicking the vikings can down
the road just a bit farther because you mentioned XFL.
What was even at a base level just just coaching
at that time and being connected to it. What was
the the what were the conversations about the future of
a non NFL league. I think in the business of
the NFL, the brilliance of the NFL is that they

(18:04):
don't have to have a development league. That's what these
colleges college, right, so they don't have to put that
additional investment in there.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
But the idea, whether it was the XFL, it's the UFL.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
There are probably somebody up there working with the what
is it the Montreal Alouettes that has dreams of maybe
playing in the big league just south of the border.
But what were the conversations like in terms of the
XFL as a league that could at least coexist, entertain fans,
and provide an outlet for athletes that they were not
able to be behind the shield.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
It was great. It was absolutely great, and I think
a lot of what we have seen over the years.
I actually played in something. I don't know if you
know this about me, but I played in the World
League of American Football. What which was the that's a
good watch. You're right to say that. Actually no, but
it was great. I played in Sacramento. I was the
third pick of the draft and I went to Sacramento.

(18:57):
I loved it. Played two years there, a couple injuries,
but we won the World Bow at the end. But
it was the first. It was the opportunity for the
NFL to watch how things went because we had teams
that were in Frankfurt and London and there was the.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Same league like the Ryan Fire and some of these
other was.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
That's another one, okay, yeah, yeah, that just shows you
how many leagues that have tried to do this type
of thing, because.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I do remember that in the nineties though.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, this was ninety one, ninety two. I had just
gotten an opportunity to be with the Raiders, but then
got cut and blah blah blah, and the next thing
you know, I'm in the World League of American Football.
But it was really cool. Montreal was one of the cities.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
There was a team in Ohio, there was a team
in Birmingham, a team in Texas, San Antonio, and all
the rest of it, and we were California. I think
it was ten teams total, and I think there were
three over in Europe.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
But it was great. And then eventually the NFL actually
bought it because they thought, wow, this is pretty cool,
and you know, it was NFL Europe, is right, that's
what they called it. Yeah, so they turned into NFL Europe.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
So again just showing you know again ninety one ninety two, yep,
I was six and seven.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
So NFL Europe.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
And you're making me feel old is what I remember.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
No, But but to that end, though, it was cool
to watch those games, and even in the nineties specifically
with NFL Europe, I thought it was cool. I had
no maturity or analytical bent to really understand kind of
the business of that.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Still.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
By the way, like Sacramento, no offense to Sacramento as
a city, but you know, they get tested all the time.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
That's one of those cities where they want to make
it work, you know. I mean, like right now, where
are the Oakland A's, Well, they're in Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
You know.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
It's it's amazing how that city seems to be able
to attract and get that. By the way, we we
did sell out every game. Not huge stadiums, it was
it was like it was actually Hughes Stadium. I think
it was like twenty five thousand, thirty thousand, something like that.
But we'd sell them out.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
That's super cool.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
It was great and I'll give you this. After we
did win the World Bowl. By second year, I think
we ended up with ten guys in the NFL, and
two of them were All Pro the first year they
got to the NFL for so As a matter of fact,
a kid that I helped out become a linebacker. He
was a running back from Missouri, and the Raiders picked
him up and then they gave him to us because
there was a thing there where you'd have an exchange

(21:13):
of certain players that you could have, and so the
Raiders gave us this guy, Mike Jones. Mike Jones is
the guy if you remember, going way back when he
for Saint Louis, he made the game changing tactical at
the one yard line to keep the guy from it.
That was Mike Jones, and I was his coach. The
coaches said, hey, Pee, you got to teach this guy
how to be a linebacker. And I'm like, great, so

(21:35):
I'm teaching another guy to take my spot. That's fantastic.
But I'm a team player, so I helped him out.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well years later, did you get to at least see
the ring?

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Well? I see it. Yes, he's the greatest guy. We're
friends to this day. We had a bunch of those guys.
We had another guy who was an All Pro defensive
end up at the Seattle Seahawks. I mean, we had
a quarterback who actually stepped right in at Atlanta and
was the starting quarterback after being our quarter back for
the year. So there was talented players in that league.
There really were. I mean that that World League was

(22:06):
it was, it was not. You know, it's only ten teams,
so you know, it was a great opportunity for a
lot of guys to get out. You know who my
noseguard was in that You might remember this name, Bill Goldberg,
remember the the pro wrestler.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
As a matter of he was my nose guard.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Nice guy off the uh.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah, and he might have touched a chemical or two
in his lifetime, by.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
The way, it's possible.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
He got pretty thick and big man.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Just something change, don't know what it was.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Weird growth spurred at twenty six years old. Yes, that's
very od, but it happens. But it happens. What what
does intrigue you with the vikings in terms of this
quagmire therein and and this this progression forward now post
combine free agency in the.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Draft, sure, I think that they. If I were a
part of the Vikings, I would be very aggressively looking
at specific positions because I do think that there's weaknesses
in a lot of different pieces for the Vikings right now,
and they've got to figure that out from that standpoint,
and you know, it's difficult to draft certain positions in
my opinion. How many years have we heard about the

(23:12):
Vikings going after a cornerback in the draft who bust
is a bust? I would go for the For the
free agent side, I'm going to go for a guy
who actually can play. We've already seen him play in
the NFL and we already understand, yeah, this is the
kind of player he is. So from that perspective, I
like that. But I'll tell you what. I was watching
the Combine like I do every year, and and you

(23:34):
know I still have I must have forty books from
mel Kiper for God's sakes, that you know, over the
years until it became as big as it is. But
I'll tell you what, this Caleb Banks is the guy
if I was the Vikings. I know it's not a sexy,
sexy first round pick eight number eighteen, but there's a
this kid Caleb Banks at Florida. Florida is exactly what
the Vikings need, because the problem with the Vikings, in

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my opinion from a defensive standpoint, is they're too small
on the inside. The two linebackers are very small relatively speaking.
You know, two hundred and twenty five pounds is pretty
small these days, you know, as a linebacker. But they
do it because they're faster, right, I mean, so that's
part of the rationale behind it. But it just doesn't
work because if you can't stop the run, you've got
a real problem on defense. And I think when you've

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got a guy who's six foot seven and three hundred
and thirty five pounds that can move the way this
kid can move, I would look at the defensive lineman
or offensive lineman because we need both. But I think
defensive lineman can step in and play. Usually offensive linemen
take a little while to get into things. I mean,
think about the left tackle for the New England Patriots,
who was getting Will Caley. Yeah, and I love the kid,

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And tell me this one, Nordo. Why didn't somebody, either
the offensive coordinator or Vraabel at some point say hey, look,
let's help the kid out. Why not chip that defensive
end just a little bit so that, you know, get
a fullback over there, maybe put another lineman or a
tight end over there, but help the kid out. They
never did it. They just let them get beat for
the entire game. And I just sat there watching going,

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you know, I like you rapes, but you are not.
You're not watching the same game. Man.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Well, you know, I would assume in Brabel's case, you
know the same way that that Kevin O'Connell. He's gonna
put a ton of faith in Brian Flores. And so
whether it's Caleb Banks, and you know, I've looked at
de tackle and safety, those are two things that I
think about right out of the gate step defensively, But
the faith that Vrabel would have in a Josh McDaniels,

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who's been there, who's been there, he's he's done that.
And they just had no answer there, right and they
and they didn't by all accounts, did not appear to
make an adjustment.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
So never did.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
You can't have Treveon Henderson on the field because he's
awful in pass protection. You mentioned Will Campbell. Oh wait,
I think it's Jared Wilson. He's a rookie right next
at left guard. Then they got Garrett Bradberry, who's undersized
and had his own physical struggles. Right, you know, they
could have put three tight ends on Will Campbell's side,
and I don't.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Know, I don't know if just give them one.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Total, I'm totally with you on that. So and Caleb Banks,
what a name, by the way, He's a terrific player.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
And get a.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Mountain like that, right, I mean, I think, who cares?
You don't how many times do you need your guy
who's the inside guy on top of the center, in
the guards and all the rest of that.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
How often do you really care? If they get towards
the quarterback? It really isn't that big of.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
A deal stop they take up two or three guys alone.
So if we get him and we get somebody else
with a little bit more size, I think we would
have a much better defense than we were. And you know,
and I'm not overly critical about the defensive coordinator you
just mentioned his name, But the one issue I had
was when we went through that streak where we went
one and six in the middle of the year or whatever,

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we couldn't stop anybody, and nobody seemed to want to
talk about the fact that we're giving up yards on
the run that were just absolutely ridiculous. And I think
part of it is we're pretty small at linebacker, we're
pretty small defensive line, so why didn't we adjust in
some way? And I think that was part of the problem,
is we weren't big enough there and strong enough to
be able to slow down somebody who And by the way,

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once you finally do cheat up a safety, then they
just throw the ball on you. So that's a problem.
That's the problem with not being able to stop the run. Well,
that's what we struggled with.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
It's kind of an interesting thing. So the last two years,
and I don't have this in front of me, but
you had the fifth best scoring defense in the NFL,
I think in twenty twenty four, and then it was
similar let's call it five, six or seven similar this
last season. But if you look at the two years,
you saw a significant commitment against the run. In twenty
twenty four, so that's Jonathan Bullard, that is Harrison Phillips

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is still there. It was difficult to run on Florez's bunch,
but you could get around the gym through the air well.
Now fast forward a year later, you see these additions
of Hargrave and Jonathan Allen. In the end, just looking
at box score and stats, they're the second best pass
defense in the NFL. They are atrocious against. Can't freaking run.

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They can't stop it.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
You're the only other guys saying it. Man, I'm telling you,
I don't hear anybody talking about that. And I'll give
you a real quick Can I give you a real
quick numbers? Sure?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
So let's see, we gave up two hundred and seven
yards rushing against the Chargers. We gave up another one
hundred and fifty to Baltimore, one hundred and forty to Chicago,
one hundred and forty six to the Packers, and one hundred.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
And twenty five to Seattle. We couldn't stop anybody because
once you can run the ball, you can throw the ball,
you know. I mean, it's just that's just part of it.
Because you finally start all right, enough of this, we're
going to try to stop it, and then they start
throwing the ball, and now what do you do?

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Or once or you know I mean that that blood
bat that Thursday night game of the Chargers and Kamani
Vidal no one had even know that was like his
breakout games. He's got his whole fan, his Gramma's in
the stands, the whole thing. Everyone's excited. Carson Wentz's shoulder
looks like it's gonna fall off. I mean just but
but sometimes once you start throwing the ball or running
the ball like that, you don't have to throw the

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ball and you find your way into the into victory lane. Now,
the biggest conundrum for this team moving forward, and you
followed it is post Quasia dolfa MENSAEP with the head
coach in the year five, been to the playoffs twice,
zero to two in the playoffs. Sadly this quarterback situation

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that has been kind of the a topic.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
So guys like you and I.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Were sitting around, we're watching they were watching the combine
and then you'll catch these little ticker bits.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Oh, Kyler Murray is probably going to be released if
they can't trade them. Ooh Gino.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Smith says he still has got it. Derek Carr might
come out of retirement if he climbs a team. He
thinks he can win a Super Bowl with you. So
you you've probably seen all of these bits. There's a
broad spectrum in terms of what they can do. But
but that is the conundrum and the a topic of
the team. So just kind of starting with JJ McCarthy,
you know, level of level of interest in giving him

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some grace and some leeway and the trust in the
coach to develop, And where where's your head at with
with JJ and this team?

Speaker 4 (30:02):
You know, everybody has jumped all over JJ. Right, he's
not what we thought. We can't do this, we can't
do that. I would say a little bit differently. I
would say this, how about we get an offensive line,
and how about we don't go into free agency and
sign two offensive linemen that are on IR when we
signed him. I mean, honestly, how difficult does that to
figure out. It's one thing to be a college kid

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who gets an injury, right, and you know what, Caleb
Banks is one of those guys. He had an injury
to his foot. Well foot don't look too bad right now,
because that big guy was running around and doing everything.
So I'm not worried about him. But the offensive line's
got to be able to stop somebody. We gave up
sixty sacks. Now, some people will say to me, well, Pete,
but the quarterbacks are holding the ball too long, and
I'm like, no, no, they weren't. By the time JJ

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would get back on his fifth step, you know, dropping
five steps back, he's getting hit. He's getting hit by
the time he's planting his back foot, you know. And
I'm not some guy who wants to be apologies. Oh yeah,
you know, he's not this great, He's not whatever. I
just watched him get hit Tate day after day, you know,
night after night, all these things. And he's a winner. Yeah,

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I know. I hear everybody say, well, but he throws
to the tight end. So what whoever he was thrown to,
he did pretty good when he was at Michigan. He
did the same thing in high school. I grew up.
He grew up right by me when he was still
in Chicago before he went down for Yeah, the kid is.
The kid's a winner. He's got a really nice arm.
But give him a little bit of time. I mean,
and if you think I'm wrong, well, why is it

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that Carson Wentz, like you just said, was walking around
without a right arm. I mean, he was getting hit.
So we basically put him out there to just get
as slammed as much as he could. Possibly take until
he couldn't take it anymore, and then we finally put
JJ in. Well, then JJ starting to get hurt. Right,
So I tell you what, if we decide to get
a guy and we better have somebody like Kyler Murray

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who can run, because he's going to be on the
run unless they do some improving of that offensive line
and they it's not the biggest fix in the world,
but it's something where you could do it through the draft,
I think, because there's a lot of really good offensive
linemen this year, and from a free agency standpoint, if
you're afraid of the young guys, Okay, let's go into
free agency. We did it last year, but we didn't

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really do it the right way.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I mean in the end, for me, I think it's
going to be Ryan Kelly's not the answer and terrific
career that he's had, the head injury, specifically the concussions,
this is just on it's unsustainable. This is a thing,
by the way, that they knew when they signed that
there was an injury history associated with him as good
as Ryan Kelly's been, so they knew it.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
But that's kind of the spot.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
It feels like you want the evolution to Donovan Jackson,
this is a fresh year for Christian dearisab you know
you think we used to have a tally. It was
almost up here on this beautiful natural brick surround that
we have people.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
It does look good. We did have.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
We at one point had to add a whiteboard up
there to note how many O line combinations that the
Vikings were using throughout the season.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Was nutty.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
But to that end, what I'm curious about put your
you know, maybe coach your own GM had on is
the reason I talked about Ko fifth year is do
you believe that there is pressure that is added to
this conversation where I want JJ McCarthy to get a
fair shake and a fair run. And I'm talking for

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myself too personally, that's what I want. That's best case
scenario is that this spring, this summer that there is
a jump in an evolution. And if KO rolls in
at twenty twenty six and he says I've seen what
I need to see, he won whatever competition he creates
via free agency, et cetera. And JJ is a guy
I'm going to trust in the coach that he's making
the right decision. Sure, but is there pressure associated with

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the idea? I'm into year five and there is so
much unknown about JJ, so therefore I can't roll in
just assuming that he has grown, which could then potentially
say I'm bringing in a guy that's going to start
right and JJ's going to ride the pine. And then
I got this weird fifth year option thing to think
about a year from now with very very little equity

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to work off of, Like, how much do you think
that any potential pressure to win now plays into this
quarterback conversation?

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Well, there's got to be some pressure. And I say
there's got to be some because how about the fact
that we got rid of for the guy who's the
quarterback whisperer, which I hear all the time, Right, Yeah,
Daniel Jones sure looked good down in Indy, Right, and
then the little fellow who had decided to go out
to Seattle looked like he was pretty dag on good
quarterback as well. Right, So if you're the whisperer, how

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do we miss that? How do we not say, Wow,
this guy has made another step higher and another step higher,
and he's doing the right thing and it you know,
but he has a different offensive line than what we
were putting out there as well. And that's another reason
why I say, you know, it was probably tough for
the whisperer. I give him a hard time a little bit, but.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Well, well, by the way, even Darnold was sacked fifty
some times right in twenty twenty four. Yeah, so he
you know, maybe there's a veteran element to it.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I just want to note that the offensive.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Line, if we really dig into it, has been a
talker for longer a couple of years.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Last year, Yeah, they're getting beat left and right.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Unfortunately, I was six with my dad watching you in
the World Football League the last time they had it.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Hasn't been that long. Hasn't been that long.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
But it's been a while Sacramento. Gosh, it was fun,
football man. But I'll tell you what, No, you're right,
and there's a lot of different elements that come into
this whole thing rather whether it's the offensive line or
is it sometimes the quarterback. And sure, i'll tell you
what I've seen enough. I went to some practices this
past year and watched him throw the ball around a

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little bit, and JJ threw the ball around, looked pretty
dagone good to me. So I don't think that there
was anything wrong with him. I do think that offensive line, unfortunately,
is where you got to point the finger and what
are we going to do to fix it? Because it
doesn't matter who the quarterback is if you're getting hit
day after day after day, and whether you know and
and and Sam Darnald's a tough kit. I mean, he

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really is a tough kid. I was always harsh about,
you know, USC quarterbacks, but he actually has turned into
a pretty damn good quarterback, right, So, yes, yes, And
there aren't very many of them that are very good,
so I give him a lot of credit for what
he's done.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
I'm trying to think now, USC qbs that have really
turned out very few.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
There's only really one that everybody hangs their head on,
and it's the guy who went to Cincinnati and they
went to the super Bowl and all that kind of stuff.
All of a sudden, I'm dropping it in my head.
But but but if you look around for now it's
Donald though.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, no, now it's Donald absolutely, and.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
He's doing well. I mean, what a year he had.
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Let me let me ask you this a couple more
for you and I just can't thank you enough for
your time this morning. The idea of molding the scheme
to the player, or molding the player to the scheme,
just in terms of what we see out of this offense.
And I'll give you an example. So large part of
the conversation last spring a year ago wasn't just man

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if Javon Hargrave State stays healthy, man if Ryan Kelly
stays healthy, et cetera. It wasn't just that, it was ooh,
this Jordan Mason cat I kind of like what I saw. Yeah,
he had one hundred and a touchdown against US. I
think it was week two, twenty twenty four, and he's
kind of that cool yang to the yen of an
Aaron Jones yep. And so is this in the four

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into the fourth year?

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Is this the.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Year that Ko absolutely commits to running the ball and
this is a team of course when with with Justin
Jefferson on it, I want to get that guy in space, right,
and that's that's one hundred and eighty targets if I
can get it to him in a season. And then
we just didn't see that, right, We didn't see that
and haven't seen it consistently. Is part of that process

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or that conversation related to the offensive line as well,
is that something legitimately on a to do list for
a coach where whether it's it's a Geno Smith, oh
my goodness, or a Derek Carr or oh my goodness,
or a Kirk Oh, oh my goodness, or it's JJ McCarthy,
regardless of who it is, is that kind of on
a to do list for a coach, like one way

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or another, I do need to be able to make
this a thing that defenses respect on a weekly basis.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
You have to be able to run the football. You
just do. And I think that's something that is he
willing to go that far to actually put it more
into a running game. I'll tell you what it would
open up for JJ.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I not to clomp on it.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Carson Palmer, how do we yeah, Carson Palmer, Well, hey,
don't apologize. You were looking for a lifeline and I
got nothing. I was trying to put my mute on,
trying to sip some water.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
But I'll tell you, actually, yes, I think that JJ
would do great in that kind of an offense. And
I'm talking about JJ the receiver. I think that that
he he needs us to be able to run the football,
to open it up for him and get those guys
off of him, because they are going to start peeking in,
whether it's a cornerback or a safety or whoever it is,

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and they see this guy is starting to run downfield.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
They already cover him more differently than probably any other
receivers Sava Jamar Chase in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah, for all the right reasons. He's as good as advertised,
and he does a fantastic job, but it sure makes
it tougher on him if the quarterback doesn't have any
time back there to throw the ball, because all we
do is try to throw the ball, and we don't
commit anything to a running game. So if we can
commit to that running game. But it also comes right
back to the offensive line again, right, did our offensive

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line blow up and holes really very often? Really not
all that often. I mean, Aaron Jones does a great job,
and I know that now we're going to have to
get rid of him. And see, you know, obviously we
got to clean it up when we got That's the
other amazing thing. How are we forty million or forty
five million over the cap? That's what we've got. That
just doesn't make any sense at all. So they're going

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to have to clear it out and give us an
opportunity now, But that does hurt on who were we
going to be able to sign, right I mean, because
those numbers are going to be big. Offensive linemen get
paid pretty damn good right now.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
They do.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
And I there was a kid that who plays for
the Denver Broncos right now, who I helped coach him
in high school when I was in New Canaan, Connecticut,
and I watched this kid and I'm like, Wow, this
guy's going to be in the NFL and lo and behold,
he just signed a contract last year I think is
like four for one hundred and eighty million or something
like a defensive tackle Denver Broncos. Yeah. Wow, I mean

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just special kid, really a really nice kid, went to
Boston College, did great, and you know, everybody else said,
I don't think this kid's going to make it in
the NFL, and I'm like, I don't know. This guy's
got something special going on here, and you know.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
So you need to find some more of those.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
But they get paid money, is my point. Whether it's
offensive line or defensive line, they're making the same kind
of money these days as some of the other positions
you know that are very meaningful. So it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Last one for you here and Quis yudofa Mensa relieved
of his general managerial duties. Rob er Zinsky has been
with the team for a long time. And then just
you know, your opinion on the ideas. So some have
said kind of Wellquasy's out, But they did all this
time talking.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
They spend all this time talking about collaboration.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
And you just picture this room and everyone gets they
hold like an egg timer or something like that, and
everyone gets three minutes to talk. And and then and
then Quaysey holds the gavel. Everyone else is still there.
So all the scouts and mister Brazinski, assistant GM personnel guy,
everybody else is there.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
That's static.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
And then Quasy is really the only variable that has changed,
whether it's it's the analytics lean how you position a
draft board. I still feel like this is potentially a
significant change philosophically on how they can handle things. You
can speak about collaboration. I you know, my kids get

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collaboration in the house. Guess what their opinions only matter
for so long. And then it's and I get the
final say, So this does feel regardless of scouting department
in personnel guys, it's simply maybe from a philosophical level
that this is a significant change that we could still
look forward to seeing something different from the draft board

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and maybe what we see at the end of April.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
How do you see it?

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Yeah, I think that it's going to be interesting. You know,
Pratzinski's an amazing guy because he's been with the Vikings
for how many years? Right, and he at one point
in time was the GM, you know, he played that
role along with being the financial guy and all the
rest of it. Then we had Spielman and then we've
gone this other direction. But can he handle it? I
think he can. Does he want to?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
He probably does, you know, whether people say he doesn't
or not, I don't necessarily agree. I think he kind
of likes the idea of it, and I have heard
other people try to convince me the other side. But
we'll find out in a few I don't know how
long it's going to take, but we'll find out.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
But see, I just think he I mean, I can't
speak for him.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I think he likes chilling in the background, being the
cap guy that everyone's nothing wrong with.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
That, right, I mean, that's a that's a great spot
to have, and as long as he's executing on that,
it's great.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
But now he's getting a high end taste of what
the path forward could be and what the future looks like.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Mister rob Razinski, that's cool.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how this
thing unfolds. I think there's a lot of positions in
there though that I don't know if they need fresh
eyes or what they need, but they need something because
it clearly hasn't been working. I mean, if you go
back over the last two three years or whatever of
this regime with Quezy.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
I don't want to look at the drafts. Don't ask
me to do that.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Cool, Well, the drafts have been terrible, but free agency
we've hit on some, let's be honest. I mean Blake Cashman,
I love that kid, he's a great kid.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Ye Ginkold didn't really see how that would work, and
it really works.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
And great, I think. But there's a lot of misses
along the way too, so and those are free agent missions.
I mean, it's one thing to miss on a on
a draft pick just because that can happen. Sure, but
when you're doing with the free agents, that's a little
bit of a different story because you've seen what they
are and you know what they are, and you get
them and they are who they are right and it's

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not that good sometimes. So I think it's something that
they're gonna have to really polish that up and make
sure that that gets done better because it has not
worked in the last three or four years.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I agree with you there. Thanks for hanging out man.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
It's all fun, man, it's great to be with you.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
No, thank you to Pete najerryan At Pete Najerian via X.
Thank you Howard Bornstein and everyone just love mentioning ours name.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
He deserves. Oh yeah, I know I'm gonna get.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Six phone calls about it. No good to see you, brother,
having to see you.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Someday we'll catch up if it's cool though, maybe we'll
catch up closer to the draft again. I'd love to
love to have more conversations with you. That's Pete Nigerian.
We're gonna pause a little news around the corner and
then we'll check in with Alec Lewis of the Athletic
in the eleven am hour.

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Speaker 1 (45:21):
But some news nuggets from Brett number.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
What was your favorite David Montgomery in Detroit moment?

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah, he is on the way out. He's on the
way to Houston.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
So the Texans get Montgomery, the Lions get a fourth
round pick, offensive lineman Juice Scruggs, great name, and a
seventh round pick in twenty twenty seven. That's all it
took to get David Montgomery. So Knuckles leave Sonic and
is out of Detroit.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Your thoughts, well, first of all, hit me with that
trade equity again because I had just seen some Adam
schefter somebody.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
There were a few, and thank you.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
By the way, I'm not I'm not trying I diminish
this when I when I say it this way, but
six four six eighty six brat Shawn Bryan KFA text line.
A couple of people sent in a links to a
link to an Adam Schefter post about it on ESPN.
I saw they just flipped him for a fifth round pick.
That's what I've seen.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, so they saw.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Several people like, you know, Montgomery was like, well, I'm
not I'm not stopping everything with a breaking news sounder,
but in all serieses, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I thought it was just a fifth round pick.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
So they're saying it was a fifth round like quality.
I guess so Schefter had the updated compensation. He tweeted
it out. Oh really, yeah, Schefter was wrong out of
the gates, you said, or maybe they were just cloudy
about it.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
But so the Lions get a fourth round pick, juice
scrugs and a seventh round pick in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Seven, which is a sweet name.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I don't know what. I don't know what Montgomery was making.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
I don't know if they're if they're getting out while
the getting is probably still good.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
That the fact is.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I mean, I look at this almost more from the
Texans side of things, whether it's you know, they've tried
Nick Chubb, they tried Damian Pierce, they have Woody Marx,
and now Montgomery just like how brutally the Texans have
continued to fail at every turn. Now, I don't believe
they've failed with Woody Marks, but in terms of creating

(47:23):
a running back stable that they can win a ton
of games with, albeit they were a playoff team, we're
on the outside looking in, So go Texans, I guess.
But to that end, if you're watching them, you know
that they have struggled at that spot. So maybe Montgomery
provides that same type of change of pace, goal line
and short yardage related role that he used to offer

(47:44):
to Jamior Gibbs. And so it's not world changing and
shocking to me, just kind of feels like they're very,
very confident that here here in Detroit, over in Detroit,
that that they're ready to make him the feature creature
and that he's going to do absolutely everything for that team,
which he showed out in a massive way. Albeit a

(48:04):
disappointing season for the Lions, he showed out.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
So best of luck to David Montgomery.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
And I'm about to learn more about Juice Scrugs offensive lineman. Yes, well,
what's interesting about that too, And best of luck to
Juice in Motown. And I know we gave up on
Ed Ingram and you see a cool highlight on X
and suddenly you think Ed Ingram in Houston is the

(48:30):
next Marshal Leander Arianti Ursery. We want to root for
the best Gophers connection sky you Ma down in Houston.
Their offensive line is not very good and so if
they were willing to flip Juice scrugs for this running
back transaction, I don't see him jumping in for Christian
Mahogany or Tate Rattledge.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
I guess is he a tackle or a guard?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
You know, so quick search says I see one thing
he's a center, and one thing say he's a guard.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
So probably one of that's.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
An old center guard flexibility teams. I wouldn't mind that break.
Blake Brandle, though, played every freaking position on the field.
It felt like for the Vikings this year you need
that and uh and the Lions, part of the quick
change for them has truly been uh just the I
mean precipitous downfall of quality at the O line spot.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
So maybe the maybe the Lions.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Are just like the Purple and the Draft talking with
Pete like they whether it's the center spot. Graham Glasgow
just just wasn't good enough last year for them. Maybe
the maybe the kiddies are going to try and try
and snipe us on a on a center in uh
in April's draft.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
We'll see, but.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Uh, welcome Juice to the kiddies covenant, and best of
luck to mister Montgomery to work with what he marks
down in Houston.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
That's cool. Anything else?

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Real name Frederick Henry Scruggs nicknamed Juice. I like Juice
a lot better. I think that's a that's a good
move for him. I don't know, I'm Red Scrugs. That's
not Freddy. What about fred Freddy Scruggs. That's that's kind
of good too, accellent, Yeah, I don't mind that. You know,
he's like Freddy Krueger in the trenches, brilliant, give the

(50:09):
d line nightmares.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
See there you go. Yes, I'm I'm proof.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
So as long as he is in Detroit, I will
not call him Juice.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
And what a weird thing to where this would happen.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Where I actually met Juice Scrugs and he's like, I
prefer Juice, then.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I would call him Juice.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Probably the case so I but I don't foresee a
personal interaction ever taking place, So best of luck to
Freddy the Nightmare that he can be on the interior
moving man for Jamiir Gibbs.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
I don't know. Juice is cool, but Freddy pro Freddy
anything else? No, that's it. Okay, Central Snoos and Yeats.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah, and uh of course uh Wild lost three to
one to Saint Louis. We did that in the in
the weekend wrap Roman it kind of a blue liner.
They added Boris kutchulk heads to Philly Tampa in town
tomorrow night. Looking forward to that a little later, puck drop,
I think it said, just some primetime hockey taking place
on a Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Wolves. It's three in a row, it's like six of
their last seven.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
They beat the Nugs yesterday, rising to the occasion against
a contender.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
We dig that.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
And and Pa, he was at the game yesterday mile High.
So when he returns tomorrow we'll chat. We'll probably chat
about that and maybe even have the head coach on,
so we'll find out about that.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
But next Alec lewis one of our favorites.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
He was in Indianapolis for the better part of a week
with the NFL scouting combine, steamrolling right in a.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Ton of content.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
He's got this QB piece that he just dropped this
morning that I want to dig into him, dig into
with him.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
It's Alec Lewis of the Athletic. He joins me. Next
final hour ahead nine to noon