#92Noon! 11a Hour 7/10 - Lavelle

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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Only cow, Holy cow, what's a good looking guy like
you doing in a place like this? Lavelle Neal. The third, Well, I.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Was guilted into coming here after you're attacking me yesterday. Well,
I was standing in the middle of the Twins clubhouse.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
It was a public attack because it was on the radio.
It wasn't an attack. It was more of a guilt trip.
And you know, you and I we're not from here,
but we've lived here close to, if not the majority
of half our lives. So we've become good with being
passive aggressive. And that's what I did yesterday. And lo

(01:01):
and behold, Nordo made a play and here you are.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I was trying to hut up with Dustin working on
a project.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I need access to people. But here he is.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
He's wandering around in circles talking on the phone. And
I was like, that's his I'm talking to Pa on
KF and it was a cold call. Yeah, I know
you do that with him, I said, he's talking. I said,
you're talking to Pat. Yeah, yeah, well you want to
talk to him. That's when I said, no, it doesn't
like me anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
No, I love you, You're right, I don't like you.
I love you, and in fact so much that you
said something yesterday that I mean, I said, as your
professional wellbeing goes. Why so many meetings these days for
the columnists of the Star Tribune, Holy.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Cow, it's just you know, changes, man. We got a
new boss and she likes to do things a certain way.
And oh you got a new boss. Yeah, so what's
her name? Natalie? Natalie, Natalie, Hey, Natalie, Welcome to the Covenant.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
We got Lavelle Neil the third and here nine to
noon is the place you'll find is the very best
in the history of promotion to promote said columns. Yeah,
so when it's raised time off, we'll take that three
and put a zero behind it. Yeah. So it's just
stuff going on.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
And plus there's also an initiative to get everybody back
in the office again, and they want us to work
four days a week in the office.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
We're six years removed from that, l I know, but
there's still companies still just announcing that the stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
And we walk around here today.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
We got comfortable proving that we could produce a newspaper
from our bedrooms and our dens and our garages, you know. Yeah,
so it's kind of time to kind of wheel everybody
back in and collaboration is never a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
It is interesting to see many companies company my wife
works at, many just corporate environments have had to kind
of have those struggles to kind of claw people back.
And how quickly we adapted in the COVID era to
working from home, working remotely. Yeah, there have been many
people that have benefited from that. But still you mentioned
in particular, you know, when when you have physical space,

(02:52):
it's like, well, either we're going to start selling buildings here,
we got we got to get some people back to work,
and maybe there are some advantages of in person and collaboration.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
You know, we've done some modeling and to move some
stuff around sports departments in a different area. You know,
we're down to two floors inst to the three. Still
a mini outre shrinking.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
You're shrinking to here. See so the great shrinking radio
station at least from a from a building related standpoint,
that's about it. It's as old and it's amazed to
walk around here now.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
All the twisted turns and the you know, the dog supper.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Card, keys, the key Keith. Yeah, that was all because
of me and Rachel.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Wonder, but not the second one. So I'm like, why
is it that working through this one? Yeah, I'm going
to go back in through the bathroom come out the
other side.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, the guy in the lobby with the AKA whatever.
Yeah that Yeah. Jim Suehn retired. Yeah, wonderful writer and
really good at turning the phrase. Now, I mean, I
you know, it's it's I. I worked in the newspaper
business for the Pasadena Star News, San Gabriel Valley Tribune
and was a stringer for USA Today from eighty nine

(04:03):
to ninety three. So that doesn't make me an elite
Mike Loop of a mind, however, working on the copy
desk with the pika poles and the aget page and everything,
and the trashers where he used to have to send
in stories with couplers on phones, imog when it comes
when it comes to couplers, what you do. And so
I have a high level of respect for the way

(04:25):
a people turn phrases, but b the spoken word and
the written word. Jim very very good man, just a
very very good writer. He has retired. Your thoughts, Yeah,
Jim is you know, carved out legendary status in his town.
He's got some gifts that a lot of writers don't have.

(04:45):
His ability to think quickly and to write just as quick. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
What would take me or someone else like hour and
a half or two hours of pound out, he would
be done in like forty minutes. He just has that
gift about him. You know, he does turn phrases, he
does have a strong command language. And I learned a
lot just from watching him. You know, he was a
former ball writer. I first met him when I was
currently Can't See the Worlds and he was on the
Twins beat. You know, I end up replacing him on
the Twins beat. So just watching and listening to Jim

(05:13):
through the years, you know, it made me a better reporter,
maybe a better journalist, made me a better beat writer
in terms of building relationships with in the clubhouse and
watching the little things that go on outside the TV cameras,
the interactions between innings.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
And things like that.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
We could pick up tells as to what's going on
between like coaches and players and things like that. You know,
that's so dope. Yeah, So I learned a lot just
watching Jim. And you know, the best times in my
career will when I was sitting in a press box
and when I got Jim Sue him on my right,
Patrick Royci on my left, and we're all sitting there
just you know, talking trash about baseball, you know, for

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nine in US. Yes, it's like one of the some
of the funnest times in my career. So I also
have to put a little bit of dark Star in
there too, one of the funniest almost ever in the
press box. Dark Star was on my left and he
left the Champions Club. Oh no, he used to sit
in the press box often.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Oh, dark would sit in the Champions Club all the time. Also,
we're talking about Peter though. This is a metal moment though, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and yeah hearing those guys chop it up. Yeah, and
and FIFA fairness and fan act. And I mean this
from the bottom of my heart. And you he's a
former co worker of yours, Dan Burrero, Man you he

(06:25):
was a fantastic columnist, Dan Dan, I mean his radio
shows dynamite and has done extremely well for three decades
plus Hartman and Barrero, Chadden, Burrero or or just by himself.
But as a columnist, uh, he was a very very
good writer. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Burrell was on the staff when I got here, but
I had the when I was researching the Twins history
book book I wrote a few years ago. Uh, read
a lot of stuff, you know, in the eighties and
nineties about the team, and right, read a lot of
Burro stuff, you know, and uh, that man was an
excellent writer, very critical thinker, and just have a lot

(07:07):
of gifts about him. Yeah, I wish he was writing
a little bit more today. I think that would be
a gift to the community that they would love to have.
But yeah, you're right, Bro was the man and he
is still the man with his bruffer weeper radio show.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Who so like all time, your wobble, your lavell Neal,
the third South Side of Chicago out ready to join
the fighting Al Ni, you're you're going to journalism school,
you want to be a writer, or maybe you didn't.
Maybe that's that's how it ended up working. So like
from when you first became bitch with the columnist Gene

(07:44):
or reading those who write who are some of your
all time favorite columnists? Well, going back.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
To Chicago days, I didn't read him religiously, but I
knew that he was the man, and I guess and
I would read a few things every now and then.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Who we write, You'll go for it? Royko broke up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
He had a gift of taking a statement that a
politician would say and right to the point where the
politician meant exactly the opposite thing of what he.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Said, or she said, welcome to twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
But the sometimes in the shoot we had great sports communist.
Mike Downey was the guy who read frequently. Terry Terry Dorris, Yeah,
was another legend.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
What about my man who used to write the air
and space in the back of Sports Illustrated, not Steve
Russian before him? What was his name? I can see
his face? Yes, dark hair? Did he used to write
in Chicago? Yeah? Rick Callender? I was checking out. Yeah, yeah.
And the other thing too.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I grew up in Chicago. There was a sport like
remember the Sports show here with the cigars. Yeah, there
used to be one to call the sports writers on
TV in Chicago era, and it was Bill Gleason, Bill
Jous Telender joining lately Joe Mussel was the AP writer
and Bennett can remember Bennet's first name?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
You watching that right, yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Watch it every weekend? And I fell in love with sports.
Was listening to these guys talk and the cigars are
going in the background, you know, And I came here
all of a sudden, there's a Sunday show called a
sports show, same dark background with a dark star, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
So Mike Max, Dark Star, Patrick ROYCEI and Sid Sid
and then like you, you were on it a lot. Yeah,
there were there were some others that were on, but
not as much as you.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
My experience doing the sports show was I wish we
had kept rolling during the commercials to so people could
see the crap that Sid was pulling. It was unbelievable
what I got this. I got assaulted a couple of
times in between breaks something because I said something negative
about the Wolfs.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I can't say anything bad about the wolves. They just
would drive them off the wall. But one back to
the Chicago thing. The other thing that really turned me
on because I was was a baseball fan, but the
base War artists sometimes had Joe Goddard and Dave an
Dyke and uh, they used to.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Do this bit.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
It was awesome. One would cover the White Sox and
they all uncovered the cups and then it would get
the mid season. They would switch beats Wow. And they
would write letters to each other. You know, dear Dave,
here's a crapp you're about to experience in the newspaper. Yeah,
dear Joe, here's a crappy about the experience.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Of the cups beat. Wow, it was excellent. So would
they cover? Would they? So it's Ron Kharkowis or Jerome Walton.
So they're they're flipping beats. Now, this is Jody Davis
and Greg Lozinski, no pre Greg Lezinski. We're talking like,
well that Bosley Bloody Brafford, those guys. So would they
cover the team for the second half of the year, Yeah,

(10:31):
they would switch beats? Okay, So but you know, from
a background attaining standpoint sources relationships, like, how does that work?
I mean you you you you you work half the
year to establish a private working relationship born of trust
with Mark Grace and now all of a sudden you
got to flip over and get the same thing from

(10:52):
Ron Krkawis.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Now, but here's a bit though. You do that for
a couple of years, and now you got sources on
both teams.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Oh wow, that's a good point, box box box. So
now you're rolling the ruse proxactly yeah, okay, So what
about Mike Lupica or Scott Ostler or Jim Murray.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Also is a great long form writer. Loopko is the
man I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
To find a long form writer.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Oh just a guy where I fifteen two thousand word
missives you know in the newspaper. Yeah, and they gave
him the station in the LA Time and magazines. Yeah wow. Well,
Eli Times had Ross Newhan and one guy I never
missed Newhand covered the Dodgers, yes, and Ages a little
bit too.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
The one guy I never met, but I just hearing
the stories would love to have met him.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
It was Jim Murray. Jim Murray, who was the legend
out there. Yep, you know so yeah, I met him
in the Santa Anita press box when when I was
covering horse racing for the Pasadena Star News and was
the stringer for USA Today for the big races, the
Santa i Needa handicaps and I need to derby. It's
it's when I started quote media end quote type career.

(11:53):
And Jim Murray he wasn't very talkative at all, very
very stoic. He was og. I mean, yeah, he wrote
into that thing and thick glasses. Yes, big thick glasses.
Uh do you happen to remember the name Alan Malamud No,
I don't. Yeah. He was a columnist for the Harald Examiner,
and and he was terrific too. And those guys would

(12:13):
like go back and forth occasionally with some of these
old school stories. It was elite and.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
You got some may talk shows now, but you know,
just that era when you had just a few those
really resonated with me. And I remember a lot of
things that were like whenne Est Penn would have Mitch album,
like Lupica, Bill Rowton, ye had a sports reporter, Sports Reporters,
That's what I watched as a kid.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Like John Saunders was on there. That's how I knew Lupica.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
I never really knew any of his his written pieces,
but I loved watching him on Team.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
He was the white haired guy who hosted it Sha
exactly Jeremy's dad.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I think Bob Ryan was on there a couple of
times too.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, you know, and then and then you know it
with a different ESPN show. Wood He Hayes, you know,
wood he Page Thank you was a columnist who had
a little chalkboard above him, you know. So but like
look at Courtney Cronin now who covers the Bears for ESPN.
I mean she's blowing up on ESPN TV with First

(13:09):
Take and working with Steven A. Smith and Kendrick Perkins
and stuff like that. So it's there are different ways
to skin the proverbial cat, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, Cortney's done a great She's had a great career
after leaving here. She got in an ESPN jet stream
Man and things took off for her.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
That's great to see. Okay, lastly here on this, what
led you to want to become a newspaper writer when
growing up in Chicago or maybe attending Illinois.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Because I like baseball. I want to cover baseball. Yeah,
I grew up.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
So you loved baseball more than basketball even though you
lived in Chicago with Michael Jordan.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, well we were talking in the seventies and like
nineteen seventy four when a white talk's had like Jim Cott.
You know, that's when I fell in a little bit
the game they have Dick Allen. Dick Allen had We're
Glad the same glass as my father did, and he
had like these huge forearms, swung the forty ounce bad,
you know.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
So you were in Chicago when at commit was it
Comiskey Park? Yeah, Comiskey Park. They had a double header
and Tigers, Uh they blew up disco record just demolition,
disco demolition. They couldn't play the second game, correct because
of the damage that was done to the outfield and
the wall and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Plus people storm in the field they grab records and stuff,
and it was a weird night because.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
I'm gonna go down there get my beg's album.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
It was like a huge anti disco crowd there, like
they're like polk rockers in the crowd running around on
the field.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
You had to get them off the field. And the
Sparky Anderson is out here. Look at this, Look at
this just turfers rop here. Look at this hole here man.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
And so they couldn't play the second half of the game.
So uh you Mike.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Veck still has great stories about hatching that that promotion.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
In the aftermath. Okay copyright the Late Dark Star. May
God rest his soul down memory Lane. We go. So
you were in Chicago when the Chicago White Sox experimented
playing games in short pants. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, Because when I first started watching the White Sox
the wilber Wood. Chuck Tanner was a manager, Bill Melton
was at third together, George Orgia was at second, Bucky
Dent was at third. Okay, Hark Johnson was in the short.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Wood was partly Okay, you can't wilber Wood who threw
He threw a knuckleball, right, yes, yeah, I mean he
had a bunch of junk. His fastball might have topped
out at eighty six eighty seven. He had a long career,
ended up being Chicago sports immortality. With that physical stab stature,
he had zero chance. Anybody gives him a chance this

(15:38):
day and age, you know. And so those shorts look ridiculous.
I had no idea that they looked awful. Yeah, this
is a thing that happened.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah. Well that's when Bill Vet bought the team. And
his wife, I want to say, her name is Mary
Francis Veck. Okay, designed those hideous black and white uniforms
with the big floppy collars. Natalie loves it like a
nineteen thirties well road worker or something, you know. And
so then on weekends and selected days they wear shorts.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
So there is Ralph gar Leading wearing shorts, right, it
was like the most hilarious thing ever, you know, But
didn't it tear them up?

Speaker 1 (16:09):
When they slid? They would wear their socks up as
high as possible. Oh yeah, they went with the high socks. Yeah. Oh.
August d eighth, nineteen seventy six. Wow, you know how
long did it last? Just a few years?

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Because okay, seventy six and seventy seven was when they
had richie' zisk.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
And Oscar Gamble.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, and they actually made a run to the Pennant
to at the penn I don't know what they won
that year, and then by seventy eight seventy nine they
get petered out.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Oscar Gamble greater well quaffed afro Oscar Gamble or Darnell
Hillman the basketball player, remember Eddie Murray too, coming out
of his helmet first base for Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I would give the slight edge to Oscar Oscar Gamble.
Hillman's was resplendent, but you're playing basketball, so it is
not going to stay. Yeah, even if you put a
cap on the oscars afropuffs were sticking out under the
front of the hat.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, so he looked like the boss you remember here
in two thousand and four when the Vikings were making
a playoff Push and Kelly Campbell. The wide receiver came
because Randy Moss, Nate Burleson, Jermaine Wiggins, Corey Chavis, Kelly Campbell,
maybe Kenny Mixon, I mean, like Lance Johnstone. About eight
of them they started growing their not cutting their hair

(17:28):
around Halloween. Really well, yeah, so those things, I mean,
the Afros became super super long. Kelly Campbell when he
was interviewed, he dubbed that group as the receiving part Moss, Burlison, Wiggins,
and Kelly Campbell as Afros America's finest receivers on Sunday.

(17:50):
Oh really brilliant. That's cute. That's really cute. Fall down
all right, Okay, who did you ever meet Harry Carey? No,
who was the White Sauce?

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Like?

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Who is White Sox Vox Immortality?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well, when I first started watching the White Sox once
again in the early seventies, Don Elston was the television guy.
So that's the one that's the person I was to
resonated with the most.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Uh. And then then it was Carrie and Harry. Carrey
did the White Sox. He did White Socks and Cubs
what Yeah, you're kidding, man, Look look it up. How
do you do that? Say the White Sox or in Anahei.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
The White Sox were for years then moved over to
the UH to the Cubs.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Was that contrad No, that that couldn't have been controversial.
Harry Carry and Jimmy Pearsol.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's when Jimmy, Tony and Russa wanted to I'm getting
my announcements mixed up because Tony and Roussa wanted to
kill Jimmy Pearsol because he called the White Sox player's
wife's when he brought on air, and Tony wanted to keep.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
I don't say it again, Friday, I got the weekend
out of us. Carry again.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Carrie was with the Socks in nineteen six seventy one
they went to the Cubs. He was replaced by Don Drysdale.
Wow in nineteen eighty one joined the Cubs in eighty two.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
That was Don Dryingsdale and.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Tom Petroy and then the former royal Yeah yeah, and
so then Drysdale stopped left of Booth and then Ken
Hawk Harrelson joined in.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
History was made. Oh that was what am I talking about?
He's the most immortal of all White Sox boxes. They
were nicknamed Hawk and Whimpy, and then Steve Stone became
his analyst.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I remember so too. I've met Steve Stone. Yeah, okay,
you know, of course I know Hawk through the years.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
How old were you? So, let me see, I'm sixty
what are you? Fifty eight? I go, I turned sixty
one to September. Okay, so so you yeah, so you
were about eighteen nineteen twenty with the eighty five Bears
when they won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Right, Yeah, I remember we had a Super Bowl party
at the apartment was living in in Champagne, Illinois, my
sophomo year University of Illinois, and there was a food
fight in the living room during the second half.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Okay, Now, Harry Carey leaving the Saint Louis Cardinals where
he would drink because Anheuser Bush obviously was a major
sponsor of that team, he might have been drinking Budweisers
while calling games. He was kinda think maybe, okay, he
was infamous for that when you say, but he's danced

(20:26):
with a few Clydesdale's. But see, he went from the
Saint Louis Cardinals to the Chicago Cups. That was baseball
blasphemy back when he did that. Now, do you remember
for the eighty five Bears, who their radio vox was
the year they won the Super Bowl? Till O'Connell. No, yeah,

(20:49):
my guy, say Laravy and then larav Lee. You talk
about baseball blasphemy. I mean, this is this is from
the Gridiron gospel. This is a no no. He leaves
the Bears and goes to the Green Bay Packer. So
did Joel McConnell. He did.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, we had two Bears announcements that are going through
the years to the Packers.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Why land of Milk and honey? I don't know, I
don't know. Why let's be fight.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I mean Steven Michael played for the Packers, stim and
Mahon played for the Packers.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I mean, yeah, it has happened.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I actually had a bat in Vegas during the Super
Bowl that Jimmy Mahon would take a snap in the
Super Bowl because I thought the Packers are going to
win and they'd be up comfortably, So you get a snap,
No britt, fire at the hog all the time, all
the snaps and ruin up Harley.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay, So truly, how controversial was it in eighty five
with still what I think is the greatest defense in
the history of the NFL. The eighty five Bears. Buddy
Ryan orchestrated it as as the defensive coordinator, and they
played what was known as a forty six flores three
four with hybrids, has forty six concepts to it with

(21:54):
the safeties and the linebackers and covering up tight ends
and things like that. Very so it was weren't of unpredictability.
But when I say a forty six defense, yeah, almost
every snap there was there were ten guys close to
the line of scrimmage and then Dave Dewerson and fence
that can plank. They would retreat to wherever they needed
to go. It was brilliant. Nobody could get around it

(22:16):
except for Dan Marino on a Monday night football game
when he spread out Duper and Clayton and some others
five wide, and that was the only loss they took
during the year.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, there's a couple of deflective balls and landing in
their hands too on the way there.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
I remember who you beat in the NFC title game
because I lived in Los Angeles at this time. You
beat the Rams. You remember their bunk quarterback Dieter Brock
from how did Deeter brought Well, he had Eric Dickerson
and they had a nice defensive line. I think Jerry
Gray former in somebody would be injured for Deeter Brock
to be the quarterback. I'm not Farragamo's let's past him.

(22:49):
I think they They wasn't Pat Hayden. No, it wasn't
a Jim Everett. Maybe yeah, I'm not sure. But nevertheless,
in the so how controversial, truly levelle was it? When
the Bears beat Steve Grogan and the Patriots in the
Super Bowl Sam Bam Cunningham, I mean they killed him.

(23:10):
But after the game, players are carrying Mike Ditka off
the field. Well over there we got Richard Dent and
Wilbrim Marshall and like eight members of the defense carrying
their coordinator Buddy Ryan off the field. And supposedly that
was controversial.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well, I mean it's because behind the scenes, Dick and
Ryan were going head to head with each other.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I didn't know, you know they were.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
It was kind of it was kind of like oil
and water with those two.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Really, yeah, why because one's getting more credit than the
other a little bit.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
But you know, Dick had drafted William Perry and from Georgia. Right, yeah,
and Buddy Ryan did not win William Perry on the team.
Oh no, he thought he was a fat, total hard.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
He was a nose tackle. He was a true nose
like Pat Williams.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, there's just Buddy had just this disdain about things.
Butler tells the story because you know, Kevin Butler also
kicked for Georgia. You know my dad, and uh, he
got drafted and he's in he's at Lake Forest. He's
walked through Hall h because Buddy Ryan and so go, hey,
this is Kevin Butler, our new kicker. Oh buddy six,
we'ren pick right, yeah, waste a draft pick?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Come on? Yeah, right there they bombed heads and some things. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
So and it was for one conclusion that Buddy's gonna
move on to get a hey coach job somewhere.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
He ended up going to Philadelpha Eagles. All right. So
the real controversy from that Super Bowl though, correct me
if I'm wrong. Walter Payton was one of the two
or three best running backs in the history of the NFL. Sweetness, though,
God rest his soul. They they let Refrigerator Perry, a
defensive tackle run in a touchdown and Walter Peyton didn't

(24:48):
get a touchdown in the Super Bowl? How hell did
that go over?

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Everybody feels bad about that. Uh Allas feels bad about it.
It feels bad, Papa Bear, how the fans feel. The
mccaskis feel bad. Everybody feels bad. Everybody felt bad about
that that Sweedenish had got a chance to get a
carry and to go a touch on in the Super Bowl. So,
you know, Dick has been gone on the record saying
he that's one of the things he regrets the most

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about the Super Bowl, and well, you know, not giving
Walter a chance to carry the ball.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
In Lavell E. Neil the third columnist Star Tribune at
Lavell Neil, Va.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Rock started fifteen games for the Rams that year.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, I think Jeff Kemp was the apparently the backup.
Jeff Kemp's father Jack Jack major politician, like like he
played football to those state senator in California or something
like that. Jack was quarterback too, right, Yeah, Jack Kemp
was a quarterback too. Yeah, down memory Lane, we go,
all right, we'll mix some some other stuff with Lavelle
Neil the third.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
After this, you're listening live to pee it.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
All right, elite, beautiful gay minds. Who beats France, who
beats France with Mbappe doing what Imbappe did yesterday, what
a treat I mean, if you're a sports snob, I mean,
USA in USA out this ambape with his footwork in
tight quarters. Honestly, if there's everybody in Maridona and we

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know all the names, if there's ever been better, then
when this guy gets because he'll I watched France play
three times now, so my man will have some go
through the motions to him because he's conserving energy for
big moments things like that. I've now seen it twice.
You piss off, Mbope. It's over. I mean it is over.
You cannot stop that guy who beat France. Francis my

(27:06):
pick to winning going into the tournament.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Really went out on a limb there, well, untoppable offense,
you know, I mean, I give Matt props or Argentina.
They're the defending champions until they're throned.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Uh respect to England.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
They've got a damn good roster and let's see how
they respond after their thrilling victory over Mexico. And you know,
props to Spain you know, I mean, Jamal, I don't
know if Nicol Williams is playing. I think he's banged
up or he's limited or something. But France has got
too much attack in power. I mean you talk about
in Boppe, but they also have Uhle in the right

(27:42):
wing and have a Lease in the middle, and those
guys can score as well.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I believe they're like it's a team.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, it's all three of them are like top ten
of scoring in a World Cup or something like that.
And you talked about Boppe kind of moving around slow
at times. The great ones do that because the great
ones are just they're just like a snake in the grass.
They're kind of just kind of seeing how things are
playing out, and they're going to find something that they're
gonna focus on, and then they're gonna then they're gonna pounce.

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You watch Norway and early Holland. All Right, Holland looks
like he says, jogging around like not doing anything in
the middle of the field, and all of a sudden
he takes these three steps, takes three steps.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
All of a sudden he's in the box.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
All of a sudden, it's off his foot, all of
a sudden, go watch Argentina and Messi and how they
play around Messy. You know, they're like, where's messy, where's
the balls in the corner, where's messy? You know the balls,
and where's all of a sudden Messi And there's a
chat ball scores because they read the game, they read spacing,
they know the capabilities of their teammates, and they know

(28:44):
that if I move at this point, this is gonna
shift the defense to this and this guy's gonna put
the ball here and I'm gonna get into my left foot.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
That's the strategic nature of the beautiful game. Now people
just refuse to acknowledge, and it fascinates me.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, well that's the people talk a lot about athleticism.
Athleticism really matters, but it's that sort of stuff that
Lavelle's talking about.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
From a technical skill standpoint.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
There's acumen that's required to operate the high.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Level that massively. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Frankly, the other favorite into the tournament. I mean they
won't get to a final. It'll be Spain in Belgium.
Whoever wins today, that's who plays France. And sadly, the
only way that you can beat France is by being
that boring Spain team that you watch the other day, pa,
because if you give them the ball, yeah, they will
find their way through. And Spain's about the only team

(29:32):
that truly would play ninety minutes of keep Away, the
most boring game of your freaking life.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
That's a strategic approach by them. Yes, Spain, it's almost
cultural with their game. It's been.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
It's just heavy, heavy possessions, slow and plotting, tons of touches,
a thousand passes and then oh, l mean lamar oh
Farren Tares, Oh the guy I can't even pronounce his
last name, lead them in goals.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Got the curly hair? What's his name? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
That depot no, no.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
No, but but France, France is truly a dream team, man,
I mean, and it's kind of it's you know, Messy's
Swan song. Most likely England really as close to being
on the cusp as they've ever been, and all those
are really cool storylines. The Brits who are at BRIT's
on the Bowling Green rooting for Harry Kane. It might

(30:24):
be all for not because of this absolute stone cold
freight train in the French right.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Now, When is England? And if it happened I apologize England, England, Norway.
When is tomorrow tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Yeah, so you have favored you have Spain and Belgium
today and look at the.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Other two tomorrow. England England should be favored. Noise noise.
So I don't want to forget this. Sorry to clip
my man for up for England. I even saw when
it took place. Uh Ola con Or the guy he
got he got suspended too, Garell Kwansa. Yes, a two
game suspension at this portion of the hilarious part sentence

(31:02):
for him in this turn that sucks.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
The hilarious thing was England was prepared to appeal. They're
gonna appeal their original card.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Why not? After what the White House did the party
after everybody.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Here's our appeal, your appeal an extra game. Dam I
was like, damn, that's just far.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
No.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I think it's harsh.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
The ball brought his leg up, he's still he's going
spikes out and it catches him in.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
So I understand why they gave him two games.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
But okay, that's why in the future, I think you
need to reveal the cards. You punish people twice, you
yank them from the game, that's punishment. One and then
the ensuing ban is punishment number two. That second one
needs to be reviewable, appealable and workable in the future.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Well, it's just when the games get bigger and these
moments get bigger, and these decisions are going to have
massive weight.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I still feel bad.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
For Egypt because their player got kicked in the box
and there was nothing called. And Argentina storms on the
fielding of scores, you know, and they're matt because when
they stormed down the fielding scored there was a foul
like twenty seconds earlier that they waited twenty seconds to
the Lewista lote.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Well, they still had a two nothing lead. That's your
seventy ninth minute. They needed to close that down. Okay,
you guys are elite soccer minds. I've never heard of
this guy. I think you guys will both nail it.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Who is widely considered the greatest Spain soccer player in
the history of Spain.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Oh Jabby Uh you say them as Portugal.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Initials a I who was andres in the ESCA the
greatest midfielders two years ago. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, and he looks like somebody It's like, is that
guy like a third shift machinist. Yeah, but he is
one of the most amazing soccer players according to Sports Illustrated.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Second would be zav Zobi Zobbi Jabby. Third would be
Iker Casias, goalkeeper for the best ever. Yeah, okay, hold on.
The Twins have won seven of the last eight series.
I know you were at the game yesterday, but yesterday

(33:05):
had to frustrate the manager. He told Nine to Noon
when Chelsea was on yesterday, the keys to beating Gavin
Williams is lay off the sweeper. You lay off the sweeper,
you make him a five and fly. I watched they
didn't lay off the sweeper, and I think he had
eleven strikeouts. What what was it like at the ballpark yesterday?

(33:26):
He was a hit a bull. That sweeper his that's
a hard sweeper. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
To me, it's more like it's more of a slider
because it's coming in at eighty eight miles an hour.
Note is yeah, so sleepers a little bit slower than that.
But that thing like moves like just a nasty slider, right,
and he dominated early.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
It starts at three o'clock and ends at like seven o'clock.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Now it's tough because you know the twins, you know.
Been the quality of their bats this year has been
very impressive to me. That's been like one of their
calling cards. And they've been great about making adjustments after
seeing the pitch at the first time through the order.
They do a good job of communicating with each other
and checking in between the bats about what's going on
with that picture and what the pitch shapes.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Are and things like that.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
So they've been good on making adjustments and have battling
at bats.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
And they didn't get going into the fifth inning.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
And it's too bad because they lowered the bases in
that inning and they only scored I think one and
that was in and because they should have done more damage.
I think there was like a tapper in the infield
led to a forced play at home. I think that
was Alan Jackson hit it the ball that Royce Lewis hit.
I wish it would have been a homer, but he
did it a homer later in the game.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
But yeah, that picture was good man. But I think
it's encouraging that Bailey overcome it came off the injury
list and pictures effectively as he did. He's only throwing
eighty nine miles an hour which he's at. He's at
like the the no room for error stage here because
his change up comes in in about eighty two eighty
three miles an hour, and usually want six miles is
like the least amount of spread.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Want to right, you can get the tenants? Great, you
get to eight, you're fine.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
You know, six is like the least amount of spread
you want between your f asked ball in your change up.
But his other stuff is sweeper was really effective. You know,
So Bailey knows. Bailey knows how to pitch man. He
knows how to pitch.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
He is.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
He's a crafty veteran riety that knows how to work
the corners and work hitters, and and it's prepared and
as long as he's healthy. That's a good development for
the Twins rotation because as much as we talk about
they need bullpen help, it also helps when the pitchers
are going six innings and limiting how many outs of
bullpit has to get on a daily basis.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
You know, there there is a question involving the Minnesota
Twins you actually can ask with a straight face approaching
the All Star break, what chance do you give the
Twins of winning the division?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Winning the division as possible. I mean, Detroit was dead
and the water they're playing better. White Sox have been
the surprise team of the league.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Of the division. They just got Murakami back today. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
So, I mean the Twins are a flawed team in
the flawed American League.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
You know, listen, not sugarcoat.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
That is that this team's got issues the offensively, their
infield is not that great. They're trying on Lukesham the outfield.
So far the results have been positive. Royce is making
any adjustment to be in a first basement, but there's
still some other stuff there. And when Tritian grays at short,
you get worried about the ball being hit to him,

(36:17):
and of course the bullpen and holes in the bullpen
and the injuries to the rotation. You know, if Mick
Abel and David Festa were healthy, you know, this whole
bit will look so much different, you know, but so
are A lot of teams are flawed. So the rules
say that the American League has to produce teams to

(36:37):
play in the postseason tournament. So if the Twins could
be one of those, more power to them.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Man. So you're I'm guessing you're not in the camp
that believes when the New York Yankees get Aaron Judge back,
that they're just going to roll by Tampa Bay, win
the East, and be a factor in the postseason.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
They just had a three game stretch in which they
struck out seventeen times, struck out seventeen times, and then
got shut out three nothing.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
They got struck out seventeen times two consecutive games. Yes,
are you kidding me? No, seventeen times.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Just this happened in the last five day, five six days. Yeah,
the Yankees, the scuffer man. They've got an injury to
you know, Stanton is on the you know, we used
to who was it? Was it a oh charge? Used
to call it the Todd Heap Memorial Injury Report. It
should be called the John Carlo Staton Memorial Injury Report, right,
because he's always on it for something.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
You know, this this Ben Rice they have, Yeah, he's good,
isn't he. Bellis had a good year too.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah he's going to the so but you know, wait
for some of their pictures to get healthy too, you know.
So the trade dollar is gonna be interesting because I
think a lot of teams are going to be well, well,
you're only like three games out. You know, there's gonna
be a lot of teams are going to want to buy.
Who are going to be the sellers? That's going to
be a big question here. So I so now I

(37:49):
think the Twins are buying. I think you really are buying. Yeah,
you have to really wait until the week before the
trade deadline before you really get to finished with what
your action is going to because you're a five dame
loses streak away from this all getting sixes and sevens,
you know.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
So I.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
But as of now, you know, I know they want
to buy. I talked to someone yesterday or day. We
want to be buyers. I do think it's gonna be
intriguing what they do with Ryan Jeffers, because regards if
they're a buyer or a seller, they may trade Jeffers anyway,
just because he's going to go to free agency. He's
not coming back U and he can gets you a
decent reliever and you have to consider it. Victor Quarantine

(38:31):
teeny was signed with Jeffers's departure in mind, and after
that Hoarde started the play. He's actually hit the ball
better over the last six weeks. So I think they're
at the point where they're comfortable with quarantine as it is.
But I expect Ryan Jefferson to be in the lineup tonight.
I think he's gonna get activated after his surgery. I
think he's gonna be playing. So I'm curious to see

(38:52):
how the twins are gonna handle a three catcher bit
with him and Alan Jackson right now, because I think
they're gonna send down outfield or Kyler Fedco to make
room for Cheffer's. So I don't know that the release
may have been already sent out, no, because I've been
sitting here. But that's what I expect to get to
the ballpark today.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
My man elite, seeing you have a great weekend. All right,
you two friends. Lavelle Neil, the third columnist, Star Tribune.
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