October 31, 2025 • 54 mins
Hour 1 of the Friday Football Feast begins with Chad Greenway joining the Feast, to talk about the Vikings upcoming game vs the Lions. As well has how important it is for the Vikings to find an identity.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Many things, episode of one of two one third down.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
This is a doozy third and eleven from their own
seventeen Carson Wentz put.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
The ball and he gets it, goes back to past
and now he is stamped back at the eight yard line.
That was getting happy. Herbert under center and off the
doll upside, runs into a host of keys, but then
he takes off down and as.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
In the in zone touchdown l A Targers.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
That is their first.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Rushing touchdown of the twenty twenty five season. Second and
ten Herbert for the back two was left out of
the shotgun Hey right side end zone caught.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Touchdown rat Mconukee, who blowbot blue by Jeff Ohuda like
he was tied to a.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Post tighten in motion.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
To the left of Herbert. He rolls out to the
right looking to the end zone. Now it's between the
Asmarks flicks it to the endzone and the spot touchdown
LA Chargers. That is Pray Harris, the Mississippi rookie with
his first National Football League touchdown reception. Herbert has thrown
three and the Chargers lead thirty to ten. West fot
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Te Devas who's at ball the right side left that
ball went right to a number of the LA Chargers.
It's an interception with a pass intended for Jefferson r
Jane Micks that Clemson. He picked it off and he
returned to fifteen yards just like that at all, Bros
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Merges Avi or Scott on a gun line heads to
the right side across the line of scrimmage of the
thirty five and he'll he will bounce off a Charger nicely.
That's a game of ten yards and the Vikings first down.
We're now down to ten seconds to go in the game,
and that's going to be as the Vikings walk on
another play, they're going to hoist the white flag and
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the LA Chargers improved to five and three.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
The Minnesota Vikings drop two, three and.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Four after losing thirty seven to ten to the LA Chargers.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Stage press upon a mom in France.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
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Speaker 3 (05:34):
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Speaker 6 (05:35):
Come on?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I know this thing's three and four, but it's a
Friday into the weekend, It's Halloween, and everybody's gonna get
all loose today. The Minnesota Vikings are three and four,
all right. The game eight days ago at so far
against the LA Chargers proved Loserville indeed does sound better
in FM. The Lions as usual are quite good and
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it beating the Minnesota Vikings five consecutive times. But it's
JJ season, ladies and gentlemen. JJ season.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Take number two, as in J J.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
McCarthy, So let's get excited to watch this kid quarterback
grow as the leader everybody following the Vikings hopes he
will be. This Lions game has some priorities as nine
to noon rolls, and priority number one would involve said
quarterback JJ McCarthy and some form of improvement some signs
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that we see from JJ McCarthy, whether the Minnesota Vikings
win or lose. Priority number one let's keep this quarterback
on the field, let's watch him improve, and let's continue
to move on Nordo, good morning.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
Good morning. Yeah, that's why I did that segment earlier.
This week is three and four.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's ugly.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
Injury issues ugly, the quarterback situation due to health ugly ugly.
And at this stage of the game, we're going into
a weekend where Ford Field Halloween asked might feel like
a haunted house. But at this stage, the expectations need
to be altered, and maybe our focus is a fan
base needs to be altered. We want this team to
win every game, there's no doubt about it. But after
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the build up to seeing number nine take the field
opening night at Soldier Field, to the ankle injury and
then poof, he's gone for six weeks, the ability to
see this kid back on the field and at the
end of this season, regardless of the record, again, I
want a playoff team. I was sold on a roster
that was a playoff team independent of a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
That's what I wanted, and that's what I want.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
But with number nine at the end of the season,
I want to know what we have in this kid
and seeing some levels whatever that is materially of improvement,
whether it's time and rhythm of the offense, decision making,
using that mobility, protecting himself in the pocket, having a
couple of badass tackles at his disposal on Sunday certainly
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will help. But seeing that improvement from JJ is a
topic for me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Alex Lewis covers the Minnesota Vikings for the Athletic and
the Athletic dot Com, which means he's at all the
press conferences, including offensive coordinator Wes Phillips and or head
coach Kevin O'Connell. He's gathering all of the steam during
the course of the week. JJ McCarthy, take number two,
What are you feeling?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
What are you hearing? And good morning? First of all,
I thought you were gonna dress up. I did, as
Jay leno. I mean we didn't talk about it. I
really I expected you to walk in with some Ah.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
What do I you know?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
With JJ? And good morning? Good morning? Thank you by
the way, Uh with JJ, I'm kind of gonna flip it.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
Like the thought before this season was that he was
being handed the keys to this ferrari, and this has
not been a ferrari.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It's been like a Mazda. And that's really like, I know.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
No offense anybody who drives a Mazda or Mazda for
sponsored or endorsed by Mazda.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
But your local Mazda dealers brings you. This portion of the.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
Fact is the offensive line has not been nearly good enough,
so much of that is a byproduct of health. And
then the interior defensive line that was overhauled this offseason
has not been good enough either. And the more I
watch this league, the more I cover this league, it's
really two things.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Can you run the football? Can you stop the run?
Speaker 8 (09:20):
He can't do those two things, it's probably not worth
even talking about anything else. So around JJ this weekend,
from a protection standpoint, can that group be engaged? And
then defensively, can the Vikings take some of the pressure
off of him for him to do what he needs
to do, which is stay healthy, see the field well,
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get the ball out quick, and be accurate like those
That's the thing when in the first two games he
held the ball too long and he wasn't accurate enough.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Those have to rise to a certain level.
Speaker 8 (09:51):
But he has to be put in a position where
not everything is absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
On him for this thing to go Okay Sunday Priority
number two Sunday Noon for the boom Ford Field Bastin
never expanding KFAM, Minnesota Vikings Audio Network. Look the part
of an organized bunch, all right now? Eight days ago,
you know when Loserville was sounding better in FM. Looking
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the part of an organized bunch, to a certain extent
means limiting penalties and seeing things or enduring things in
games offensively or defensively that aren't going the right way
and not taking an hour for them to change. Those
would be a couple of examples. This is a tough
team to beat in the well A. It's a tough
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team to beat. B It's a tough team to beat
in the penalty battle. See, it's a very tough team
to beat in the turnover battle. This team is plus
six in the turnover differential. They are number one in
the NFL for forced fumbles. They are number one in
the NFL with strip sacks, and they only have five
gives this year. They've only given the ball away five
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times through seven games. That's a fifth best in the NFL.
So win one of those categories and let's just look organized.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, yeah for me.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
You know, we talked about turning the page earlier this week,
turning the page on these pre snap penalties and just
clamping around and thankfully again due to the health of
the offensive line, hopefully banking that into the weekend, the
idea that you're going to have four out of your
preferred five save for the center of course, pre snab penalties,
weird holds, ineligible men down field. I mean, if you
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want JJ to show improvement this weekend, a long Jordan
Mason run that's taken back by a holding penalty and
suddenly you're first and twenty, you're setting your QB up
for a lack of success. You're setting yourself up for
a punt, and you're setting yourself up to lose a
track meet against a team that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Make these mistakes.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
And from a defensive standpoint, you know, just the tackling
needs to improve. I mean, the organization of the team
maybe in some ways leads to basic or fundamental exec
cution of the team on Sunday. All those things off
a Thursday into potentially a haunted house at Ford Field
on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
All that needs to be better and priority number three,
I mean, this really could have gone about nine deep,
but for the purpose of time. Priority number three yours truly,
and several others we'll be looking for. Is let's start
establishing identities, all right? The Minnesota twenty twenty five Minnesota
Viking sadly lack identity. And it was very easy to
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find the identity of this team last year. I mean,
you could start with Van Ginkle and Grenard and what
they would pose from a threat standpoint, off the edge
against adversarial offenses. Now, the expectation absolutely is that Andrew
Van Ginkle will play this weekend opposite Jonathan Grenard, who
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I believe will play despite some injury report terrorism. So
let's start establishing identities. Maybe with forty three and fifty
eight with the arguably as good an edge duo last
year as any duo in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
That was a sweet identity, Alec.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
The identity of the three to four Vikings is it
null and void at this minute? And from a scribe standpoint,
a covering standpoint, what are some things that you would
think would be cool to say?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
No, you're right like that is?
Speaker 8 (13:24):
I mean, I remember in London, in the postgame press
conference after the win against Cleveland entering the bye week,
one of the things that Kevin O'Connell talked about was like,
we have to use this bye week to identify what
our identities are. And it didn't I mean coming out
of that obviously losing two games. It doesn't feel like
they've settled on any specific areas. I thought entering the season,
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and I said this many times with both you guys
that the defensive line and the run game we're going
to be the scaffolding of this team as they developed
JJ into this season, and it really doesn't feel like
the defensive line or the run game have.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Been strengths at all. And I guess my question at this.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
Point is can you, now nine weeks into the season,
get to a place where those things can be the idea?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I know, but that's I mean the run game.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
For me, Like obviously game script plays a part in
how many times you're running the ball and the effectiveness,
but just establishing that to be able to then run
play action with JJ, which makes it easier for the
quarterback feels huge.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Sunday and moving forward.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, this play action you're about to see from the
Detroit Lions, in case you forgot about it, it's high,
high end. The quarterback barely gets sacked. He it's about
seventy five percent of his passes, second best in the
NFL behind Drake May And it is a lot of
short stuff. They don't go over the top a lot.
They try to beat you from ten to about twenty
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or twenty five and watch those guys run.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
So that's all coming up this weekend now.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
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Speaker 3 (16:56):
And they did. Hey, thank you for coming out today,
you as you're fantastic man.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
We really appreciate that. And what we also appreciate is
our first guest. Today we have two on site guests,
and our first is one of the better defensive players
in the history of Minnesota Vikings football. He is one
of the great tacklers in the history of Minnesota Vikings
football ladies and gentlemen, Can I get a witness and
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a rockous round of.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Applause for Chad buring Ways. Thank you, good to be here,
good to be back on site.
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This is a courtesy of Grey Duck Vodka and Great
Duck Spirits. Where you've been all our lives? Holy yeah,
you've you don't come to Monticello, which is understandable. You're
in Lexington, uh with with with your daughter.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
What was the first? First? What was happening there? The first?
Uh her official visit? Official bill? Thank you? They paid
for this one. I love that was taking every moment
of that one. In no doubt.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
You're check to chef two, so that matters, yes, But nevertheless,
when you're not at the the team loses, all right.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So the team's three and four. It's great to have
you back here. Chad Greenway and.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The Minnesota Vikings are big underdogs into this game this weekend.
They're nine point underdogs. And you were never an underdog
to the Detroit Lions. And it actually took me about
forty minutes to figure this thing out. You were never
an underdog in a game against the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
That's incredible. And the Lion.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
The Lions are quite good, as we know, but we
do have favorite Vikings Lions or Detroit Lions moments from
over the years. You know, I'd like to begin with
the two thousand and eight season when they went winless,
where the Lions played sixteen and lost them all. Yep,
there was now The Vikings won the division that year,
and they got a wild card game at home and
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lost to Philadelphia. Bad division that year. But nevertheless, the
Lions went ohen sixteen in two thousand and eight and
they had a couple of meat You guys had a
couple of meat grinders against them. I mean, try to
put him at one in fifteen in one of these
twelve to ten games, it was aggressive. Hanson kept trying
to dagger you late at Ford Field. And how about this,
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Dante Culpepper had a seventy yard touchdown pass to Calvin
Johnson in the Ford Field game in two.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So I when I was looking at all of this
stuff up, I mean, honestly, I will give you a
one hundred dollars bill right now, and if you can't
name it, there are five of them.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You'll see. You have to give me twent five bills.
You have to give me a twenty Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Five quarterbacks played for the Detroit Lions that season in
two thousand and eight. No chance, no bet, no chame.
You don't want the five to one, no bet? All right, Well,
at Metrodome when you beat him twelve ten, that was
the game. Jared Allen Chase Dan Orlofsky out of the
end zone. So you got Orlovsky, You have Dante Culpepper.
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Any of the constituents here want to throw out any names?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Jean Hill, Joey Harrington.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Was there a kitten in the mix?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
John Hittingum makes number three? Okay? Now the other two
really have the same first name. Oh Man Drew Stanton,
oh wow from the crowd.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And Drew he Hens Drew Henson Henson Wow. Yeah, they
had five quarterbacks that year. We we liked that version
of the Detroit Lions a little more than the current one. Yes,
that was fun, the one that found a way to
go Owen sixteen fans with bags over their heads. Ye,
ladies and gentlemen. It's nearly two decades removed from that.
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But how about a round of applause for the Owen
sixteen Detroit Lion two thousand and eight. Thank you, thank
you very much.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I remember in the draft year six lines went nine
took Ernie Simms, linebacker Florida State University. Yeah, at the
time was like god, I would love to be number nine,
and then a couple years later it was like may
of them, I'm happy, I'm just picked up and cheat.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well, the next year, after Owen sixteen, they had the
first overall pick in the draft.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Take would have been Staff, the Super Bowl winning quarterback
Stord choice.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So that's then, this is now, and you know that
five quarterback trick is probably not preferred. The Vikings have
already gone through three. But like brosemers come in and
mop up type time. So uh, let's begin here with
the game changer, Jamiir Gibbs. And uh, Jamiir Gibbs. When
he gets out in space, I mean he's a monster.
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He's an absolute preacher. When Gibbs and Montgomery both score
in the same game, which happens, it's a thing. As
the kids would say, the Lions are fourteen to zero,
so they're going to try to get that little thing going.
They got a nice little running game. What do you
think of that whole thing? And good morning, Yeah, good morning.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
I think when you look about Jamiir Gibbs games specifically,
I can think back to my career and a couple
of guys that absolutely gave you terror when you went
to bed at night before the game. You know, the
Reggie Bushes, the darren Sprolls, the guy out of the backfield.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
It was just going to give you an absolute problem.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
And the oldest adage from the linebacker coach was if
you were as fast as them, you'd be playing running back.
So you better take a good angle, you better, you
better cut off his routes. You better make sure you
know where your help is and get to them as
fast as you can and cover them up. I think
this game this weekend, especially with JJ coming back, the
state of our offensive line, our ability to stop the
run is gonna is gonna win or lose the football game.
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In my opinion, our ability to play in the line
of scrimmage with these guys. This thing has been flipped
on his head in the last five years where all
of a sudden, the Detroit Lions are the team in
the NFL. In the trenches, they're more physical, They're gonna
beat you up. It's a mentality thing. It's a scheme thing,
it's a personnel thing.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Trench is not just no line but liked McNeil and
DJ Reider and Hutchinson is just grimy, and they're grimy
and they're tough.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
I think if you could define this this Detroit team
in one word, it's grit. You know, they're just kind
of that team.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
And I think.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
It's been complete flip when Campbell came in and they've
bought in. It matches the personality of the city. And
we now have to go in and teams have to
go in Detroit and match their level of intensity in
that spot. And I think that's gonna be the biggest
risk and biggest issue we have.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
What are you identifying through a practice week in terms
of how to attack that Gibbs in Montgomery duo, because
it feels like a large part of the run game,
they want to get Gibbs to the outside. So now
I'm looking for a great tackling game, whether it's slock
corners or maybe it's Wilson or Cashman that can find
their way to the boundary and make a tackle. But
on that seventy eight yard or he had the other week,
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they absolutely washed out the second level with the O
line linebackers nowhere to be found right up the middle
seventy eight to the outside.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
He out runs everybody.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
How are what are you trying to identify over the
course of a week that says here's one thing that
they're going to try to do us, and I know
we can beat that if we pay attention.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yeah, I think you have to self scout first of
all and understand where are we having our issues?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
And to me, it's always about simplify.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
If you can simplify your scheme and take it back
to fundamentals where it's just gap control. We have to
identify how we take on blocks. Now, you're going to
lose one on one matchups within a play, and that's
sometimes how the game gets busted. The run gets busted,
you lose. But you try to simplify your scheme and
get back to what you do well in the run game.
Think that's that's what you have to do. Here is
you may have to simplify your package entirely. In the
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past game and coverage just a simple simple the communication,
less communication more in gap control, make sure you get
to your gap, don't try to cross space, and make
a play, simplify the game, and what makes football so
great to me is the biggest The best part about
football is all eleven have to do their job.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And if all eleven are in.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Their gap doing what they're supposed to do, playing with
the right kind of leverage, now it's that guy's job
to make the play.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
And at that point it becomes a tackling game.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
So to me, the biggest caveat here is when you
get guys out in space like Jimior Gibbs, who is
an absolute game changer, that's going to be completely down
to tackling in one on one situations. And how how
much are we run to the backside on a on
a play that we think somebody's going to make the play?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
We call it loafing.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
If you loaf on the backside of a play, loaf tracker,
you never want to get digged for that thing. How
many how many hats to the ball are we having
on every snap?
Speaker 8 (24:55):
I wonder, just as someone whose whole job for a
long time was to stop the run? Like, how hard
has it been for you to watch this defense in recently?
Obviously gets Philly?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
They were better stopping the runn't blitz or cover that
what you're saying is.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
That what you're saying, please don't put me in that spot.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
I think Tampa too. They don't ever rush the outside
of that unbelievable. The kids, I mean, just just kids
these days.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I think.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I think when you look at the most frustrating part
from a defensive player is when you physically can't beat
somebody because you're getting to dominate the line of scrimmage
and there's not a whole lot of things you can do.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I've been a part of those teams to San Francisco game.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
I always mentioned because we just got overwhelmed in that
game with their physicality.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And that's the thing that you risk here.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
If we don't go with the right mentality and edge
to us defensively, it's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
We got to change your mindset.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
And I think on the flip side, when you're playing
with the Williams Wall and our run game was the
defensive un game was the most dominant the league for
several years because our mentality was you won't you might get,
you might get someone in the past game, We're gonna
paint our ears back and try to get quarterback, but
you will not beat us running the football right, and
when you control that part of the game, you now
dictate to that quarterback you better beat us.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And all by the way, we have Jared Allen, Russian
and these other guys.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
So that to me is but it's more of a
mindset and the defensive one game to me as a team,
and I think have we gotten away from that?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Is it personnel? I think is a combination of things. Yeah,
I'm curious.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
About that because how quickly do you change things the
way we're talking about this, the way that you know
Alex laying it out, establishing the run and stopping the
run two absolute a topics for development of JJ, but
also just being competitive in games. You mentioned the personnel
aspect of it. There are parts of this where it's like,
I don't know if that's going to change. I mean,
we all wake up Friday morning and you are with
me in the feast and we're like Kamani Vadal or
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do that as a player, you walk into the locker room,
you're in the film room the next day after a
tough loss, and you're like Kamani Vadal, that's a thing
that really happened. I'm just worried in terms of, you know,
the way you're building it out conceptually, totally agree in
your experience. Will we'll stamp that, But how quickly you
can change them seems like a problem. And there does
feel like from year to year there's something missing specifically
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on the interior that is allowing whether it's Bijon.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Who has a right to change games?
Speaker 7 (27:10):
You fantastic gibbs this weekend, Well, we'll get to see
how we handle it. But there's something missing there, man,
that just wasn't here a year ago.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Well, the question you asked last week was who are we?
What's our identity? How do we win or lose football games?
When you're this far into a season. That's who we are.
So we have to flip it and change it. Because
there's enough season left to clearly go win this division
and go make a huge impact and make it runs.
Well what division? Well, we have so many divisional games left.
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You can't tell me there's not an opportunity to go
into Detroit and flip your season. This would completely change
the mindset of our fan base, our season, our personnel
or players or coaches. If you can go in there
with the mindset and go do it. The best thing
is that we're an underdog. Nobody's giving us a shot.
Now you have to rally around that in the idea
is like this is who we have be the chip
on the shoulder, Like we are a really good football team.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
We're going to go prove it.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
We've got all these things that have happened to come
a way. You can't control, injury being the biggest one.
But you have to make sure it's a mindset. Thing
is like I don't care if they beat us, but
they're not gonna beat us this way. We we've done
a lot of these together for a lot of years. Yeah,
And there aren't many times because football players and coaches
are forever looking for an edge.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Did you see what so and so said here? Did
you see what so and so wrote there? Did you
see did you hear what so and so said there?
And quite frequently it's trite. Quite quite frequently they're they're
trying too hard to muster and or concoct an edge.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
That's not the case. This game doesn't mean as nine
point underdogs.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'm not big like national sports, TV, radio, radio guide,
but just following the vibe from afar locally or nationally,
there there aren't many who are giving the Vikings even
a puncher's chance in a game like this against a
Lions team off of buy they're going to get corner
Terrrian Arnold back what We're happy for him, he see,
has a lot to learn and and just who they
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are at five and two and and just losing five
in a row to them, and O'Connell's never won at
Ford Field. I mean, there are just some that doesn't
even get into what the two hundred chains the Vikings
just gave up on the on the running game on
the road. I mean, it's just the list is voluminous
when it comes to Yeah, I like, say, I'm on
this the ESPN show with Cam Newton in his topic
(29:28):
first take, Yeah, and my man's got his top hat.
See for Cam Newton, it's Halloween every day. I would
love to leave you up there with those guys.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
It's Halloween every day with those top hats.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
But anyway, so if I'm on that show and I'm like, hey,
this is with all due respect, but A B, C, D, E,
F and G and Detroit basically can't lose this game. Uh,
there is a lot of that bouncing around I would imagine,
so this is the use it as motivation and it's
a legitimate salvo.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Yeah, I think you're talking about a lot of external communication.
I want to I want to know what the conversation
is in that locker room and in that defensive meeting room,
because this is a week where you get called to
the carpet by your coach, into the game after the
game last week, into the game this week. You're being
challenged from a manhood standpoint, a quality of play standpoint,
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how bad do you want?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
A standpoint like are you just sleeping on your checks?
Cash standpoint, like the.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Idea of like you have to be challenged, the idea
of just your ability to play football from within, from
the people you care about, their opinion the most, because
you can have an opinion of my game, and you know,
somebody write in the paper can have an opinion, or
the national pundits can have an opinion. But if my
coach or my peer has an opinion and they challenge
me on that, that's to me, what makes the game
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so great is when the accountability and the pressure is
coming from within to say we have to clean this up,
because now let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Jobs are one thousand percent at stake.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
If you can't flip this and turn this around, it's
going to be on the coaching staff and the personnel.
The fact that if we don't get back or personnel,
we can't this can't be a yearly thing week all
of a sudden, can't stop the run.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
It's interesting.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I had a long conversation yesterday in the locker room
with Jonathan Gernard, and I kind of view him internally
as one of I mean, the clear vocal, you know voice.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
It's natural and authentic. Get him.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
Yeah, And he was very I mean similar to the
conversation you just had, like he was very upfront of
I mean, nobody like this has not been enjoyable. We
expect so much more, I mean it, and I guess
like it does feel like and I'm glad you you asked.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Chad like and brought that up the way you did.
It does feel like right.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Now, like the motivation and the back against the wall
feeling is at the highest that I can probably remember.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
And it's right and right, it's not concocted.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
And they feel that like you could feel in my
conversation with Grenard yesterday like that they they feel like
they have to prove it to themselves internally and that
they you know, they're not trying to prove it to
the world. They're just trying to prove what they feel
like they are and.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
They have not shown.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Yeah, I think at the end of the day when
he boiled. But what football, What makes football so great
is it's an emotional game. And when you go on
the road and lose and get your butt kicked and
you lack of motion as a football team, like, that's
a problem. Now this is a response, and I'm waiting
to see the response, and I think we're going to
learn a lot about our football team this week, I agree,
And how much passion they have the coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I think it's I think it's important week for us
in several levels.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
It's a very different circumstances. Two thousand and nine, you
go to the NFC title game, and I know twenty
ten had a bunch of weird oddities, including some off
field related bits.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
What do you mean the dome collapsed but you know
certain scourger. Yeah, all kinds of funny mans. But Snapchat
not being invented, or you win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
The reason that comes to mind For me, though, is
the idea that two thousand and nine, albeit it ends tragically,
the build up into twenty ten, we were so close.
Now we're going to run through that door in twenty ten, and.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Then it started scale. It was weird.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
There were just bad things had We had injuries, We
had all sorts of things ultimately bred excuse me, Brett
hitting his head via Corey Wooton on the college stadium
field and his career is over. Is there any how
do you what was it like at that time where
you felt like you were in quicksand you guys probably
had moments like this team is experiencing in the locker
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room now.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
It just never you were never able to get out
of it and move forward. For yeah, it's the two
steps forward to three steps back. Bit.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I mean, you can go and you can do all
the right things and say the right things, and go
to practice and practice the right things and be on
your stuff, and things simply may not go your way.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Welcome to the NFL.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Things happened, the dome collapses, coach get fired, Randy Moss.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Bit, I mean it's a whole thirty for thirty on
the twenties ten season.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
So the reality is is and things can slide quick right,
oh nine Championship game, twenty ten, coaches fired, we move
on path, The organization completely flips and changes.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It happens fast.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
I think the most important thing is at that point
we had a really veteran team and it was going
to start to flip.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
In this case right now.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
That you can make an argument is like this team
is ready to win now, right, so we want Yeah,
it's an older roster. So dare you say, like these
next two years are really important or do you slide
the other direction like that happened in twenty ten, which
takes you to twenty eleven and twelve and thirteen, which
were just a mass other than the Agrian year. In
twenty twelve we has hand evolved him seven hundred times
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and it worked out great. But the reality is this
is a slippery slope. And if you go laying negga
Detroit this season is over, you mean get blown out, yep.
And and no only that, but just you can lose
in a tough way. But you watch as a fan,
be like they gave everything.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
They got today. Yeah, yeah, and I think it's a fight.
I think it's a fan. You always appreciate that. Right.
If I'm watching now as a fan, I'm like, you
can tell when the team quits, Like.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
The Chargers game, you start to see the flicker of yeah,
like is the like go going out?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, Look at the Dolphins last night. Yeah, that is
a team where it is freaking it's it's over a
big way. Yeah, And I think you can feel that
from a fan base. You can feel that from the
locker room, from the coaches.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
All of a sudden, the owner spends a couple more
days in the office, you know, next week, and everybody
feels a little bit of pressure, and all of a sudden,
my job's at risk, and all of a sudden that
thing slides quick. I think this is a man demand
conversation of it's time to buck up and be a
pro and we got to go put our best foot forward.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
Can you feel that slide in the moment or does
it just happen and then you're looking back on it.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
You I always took it like this is I have
to make sure I take care of my stuff, sure,
because at the end of the not it's not a
selfish thing.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It's more of a if I take care of my
p's and q's and I'm on my stuff.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
It allows me to be the best version of myself,
which in turn, you hope rubs off on the other guys.
And I think that's you know, that's how you probably
stay in the locker room for eleven years. Yeah, but
not everybody has that mentality because all of a sudden
they're starting to think about a vacation and I'm making
this much money next year anyways, and they're paying me regardless.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Like natural human in some way thoughts.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Yeah, But I think when you have a tighter group,
and you have a good locker room, and you have
a good staff, which I believe we have all those things.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I don't think that happens as this football team.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
One thing into Sunday's game for this team win or lose.
We were talking about priorities at the opening the show,
and you watch JJ those first two games and now
McCarthy's going to get another chance. Take two, twenty twenty
five edition with McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Is there one.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
Particular thing that you took out of those first two
games where it's like, if I could see this on
Sunday at Ford Field, part of that turning a corner
one way or another, hopefully it's in the winner circle.
But either way, one thing you see from JJ on Sunday,
that's like, all.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Right, I think there's a light on upstairs there. I
want to see the ball out of his hand. Quicker,
we know we have our issues.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Get the ball of his hand and put it in
the playmaker's hands and let them make place. I think
that's number one. His accuracy within those throws is going
to be really important. And this is gonna be really
dumb to say, because this is a kid coming off
an injury and had missed.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
The whole year. I want to see them be creative
with the play calling of what he can.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Do, which is run the football, which is give people
rpo looks that we've been getting hit on for years
that we can now do. Freeze that outside linebacker and
give Jaj the ball the chance to slide and gain
five on first down. Like to me, I know that's
the dumb thing to say to a kid coming off injury,
but you either go play to win the game or
you go play it will not lose. And to me,
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we go open the play a calling. We allow him
to do what he does. Because the kids athletic and
all of a sudden you run for five, you might
get a little hit.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Now you're in the game, you're in the flow. You
go make a play.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Chad Greenway, former linebacker for the Minnesota Vikings. Courtesy of
Great Duck Vodka and Great Duck Spirits. Chad was part of.
Chad was part of something very strange in a game
against the Detroit Lions back in the day. We will
share that and to continue to analyze this contest around
the corner when we continue at Buffalo Wild Wings, Jan
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Hassen for the Friday Football.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Give it to us on KFA N.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Welcome back to Buffalo Wild Wing Jan Assen for the
Friday Football Feast.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
One of your biggest fans.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
In fact, somebody who has a game, warn what what
number did you wear at at Iowa?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Six? You can act like you don't know what was
it at Iowa?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
So like I watched you were there in Iowa was
focusing on Abdul Hodge man smart guy.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Eighteen eighteen. I was promised number eight of my recruiting visit.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
I was a no star recruit, so when I got there,
eight turned into eighteen road j somehow, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Pretty good number.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Somebody somebody who has game worn eighteen's from uh from
Iowa City and actually so they were selling those things.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Unbelievable. Yeah, you didn't get any money for it?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I think he and his family took a trip to
Korea or Taiwan and they had a bunch of them
there and he came back with once and it's just
it's a little small, but that's okay. And secondly, maybe
some game more than fifty twos from the Purple and
Gold days. Somebody I know of whom you're very fond
Johnny the Mouse Michelson, captain of the eighty three Wisetta
(39:24):
club hockey team, the most formidable club hockey team in
the history of club hockey. In fact, he wore the
seat for this club hockey team. You know him, right, Yes, well,
he reminds me that in I'm not sure the year,
but do you remember when you intercepted a pass against
the Lions in the second quarter and you returned it
to the lions eighteen yard line? All right, everybody go crazy?
(39:48):
Stuff like that? Oh nine the Vikings offense. Then you
took over in the red zone. You had a chance
to score, but committed multiple penalties and had a sack
and went back to the forty yard line and we
punted and you find it.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, that was my last That was my last pick
of my career. Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
It was the US Bank my last year. You picked
them off. Get down to the red zone, sky yu, ma,
here we go hit it. I hit to hit him
with one of these.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
It didn't work. Shocking at thirty four years old. Whoever
it was, got shepherded out of bounce. We go backwards
thirty yards, pumped the ball, probably probably kicked it in
the end zone.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Touched back yeah, then probably rip brief.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
I think I took it to the nineteen and they
got the ball in the twenty when it was done,
so we actually lost the yard.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, that's for some mouse brings that up occasionally and
and for some reason I can't remember that, but it's
such an astounding moment.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, well, why didn't you get to the end zone
at that stage of your career? You did? You did before? Four?
Go to a four six? I had a back, I
had a hammy, I had four kids.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
Yeah, well, you used all that sweet on that Chargers
pick six that you at the College Stadium. Didn't cost
accidentally like a security guard that was.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Gerald Hodges, Harold Dodgers, h erld Hoigh. Yeah, and props
and and there's video of this, by the way, you
might have to look hard for it. Props to the
to the yellow jacket security person at what was then
TCF Bank Stadium, because there was a lot going on
in that play. Philip rivers right to Greenway. He gets
to the house from like eighty crowd sideline. Crowd's going yeah,
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the sideline was unbelievable. Crowd's going nuts. The security person
back right to the end zone, making sure nobody runs
on the field, never turned around to look at the play. Focus,
I mean totally focused, I feely even when Gerald Hodge
is a former linebacker trying to celebrate jumps, doesn't see
said security person buries the person into the wall.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Even a fan.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
Last night, I brought this up, and sad man, is
that the one where it took you like thirty minutes
to get the end zone? I was like, well, twenty
seven minutes, But I said, what you forget about was
like what seemed like a twenty play drive to get there.
So I'm already gassed. I catch this thing on the nine,
I'm thinking, really, I angle right sudden, There's no way
I can't get tackled.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
If I fall. Now it's me tripping. I have to
go the whole way. Score it. It was great.
Speaker 7 (42:07):
You think about just kind of taking a breath and
just stepping out, I mean.
Speaker 6 (42:10):
Did I And then when I got one of my
favorite moments of my careers, I got a he is
a loose call, that's right, and it was the best.
It was way better than any of Adrians Adrian's runs. Ever,
let's be honest, and I got that, which is yeah,
which I love. I have that audio all right on
my phone.
Speaker 8 (42:24):
The greenway at the feast is you just bring up
memories and him getting roast.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
But these are good ones though, Yeah, right, they are good.
That's what happens when the squad's three and four.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Now, if if nord so Nordo did't produce a show
obviously because actually it's absolutely negative clump, fourth and twenty
bills action like all the stuff that this that you
just regurgitated every he.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Got terrorism out and Scott Chandler catches a stray.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Out of nowhere.
Speaker 7 (42:47):
Times bad times, final season. You got to pick against
the Lions. You may have also had Eric Swoop in
the Colts game. Oh end in my career, I run.
I mean in my mind, not in anybody.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
It didn't actually because that could have played again.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
That was Adrian's final game too.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, yeah, average thirteen plays a game that season.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
That was the best they still paid me. I was like, wait,
I thought I had to play every snap of the
game to get paid. No, it's gonna pay thirteen. I
got a serious question for you. And this is actually
after talking to some people over the course. So since
the Chargers game, uh, this jumbo package bit jumbo packages
are becoming quite on vogue around the National Football League.
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So you know, in our fishball, we see what we
see under our rock, and that generally is, oh, you're
in Dublin, you know, just trying to maybe have a pint,
pop around to uh some pubs and have a good
time and beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Uh until you see
tackle Spencer Anderson joined six to seven, befeating tight end
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Darnell Washington, and then Kenneth Gangwell. Kenneth Kangwell has the
best rushing game of his career. All right, So then
you move forward and the Judkins from Ohio State does
his thing between the tackles and wide, and then you
get to then you get to the Philly game and
they bring in extra offensive lineman Fred Johnson.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
All right, complete run, look down in distance, whole thing
deep shot. Aj Brown six, Ok, dope, got you play.
Whole Thing's not beautiful, but it was beautiful. And then
you get to the Chargers game. Scott Mattlock. This one
got me because forty four Scott Mattlock is. They seldomly
used fallback, all right. I mean if it's Nasee Harris
(44:32):
or if it's Omari in Hampton, the North Carolina rookie, they.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Didn't even use him that. They didn't use him that
much with them.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Well, they they played him thirty eight plays the three
games up to the Vikings game. They played this beefeater
forty one plays in the Vikings game. Why because they
couldn't stop him. And I'm so glad when it comes
to run defense and the handling of these jumbo packages,
because here it comes again, Dan Skipper. I mean, the
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Lions are og with the jumbo by the way, Skipper
was doing it before. You know, while my man Matt
Locke was trying to do something to Boise State with
Ashton Genty. So they're og with the jumbo. Here it comes.
They got a tie end named Ross Dwellie doesn't play
a ton right, He'll play a ton this weekend. Rock
Right's got a little blocking to him. I guess, so
does Laporta. Laporta is actually a nice all around player.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Here it comes again.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
But what you said earlier with Nordo is so true man,
I tried to share it a little bit like late
last week. Coaches, I can't speak for players, but over
the years, Zimmer probably was ten of ten with this
Leslie Frazier.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
It would get to him too. When you get run
on and you can't stop it.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
That bugs coaches more than anything I've seen, and that
includes turnovers and procedural penalties because it's basically, week after
week you're in the squared circle, everybody has boxing gloves on,
and you're getting knocked out every single week with roundhouses,
jabs and upper cut. So like, how does that slow
(46:02):
this week? In this jumbo package bit? And in fairness,
Van Ginkol should be back in the equation. That's huge,
first of all. Second of all, when you talk about
the run game not being able to stop it. It's
like being the weakest guy at the armrestley match. Right,
You're gonna get called out by everybodycause everybody wants an
easy win all of a sudden. The only way to
get better is that is to go win some matches, right,
to go one on one with somebody and win. I think,
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at the end of the day is it's a mindset.
And I think when a coach gets so offended by that,
especially you.
Speaker 6 (46:29):
Think about zim Er Fraser defensive minded coaches when they've
at defense that's not physical enough to hope against the run,
it's an indictment on them as a coach. Now koc
offensive coach, quarterback likes to throw the football. There's different
ways to win a football game. Team has built differently.
This now kind of falls into the Flores category. A
defensive coordinator and how personal is he taken it? Because
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that's at the end of the day, Like Flora's has
been historically good in a lot of different places, done
really good here.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
But what's he known for. Is he known for having
the just.
Speaker 6 (46:57):
To sheer run stopping defense, physical up front. No, it's creativity,
it's blitz packages, it's being creative with his personnel. I
would never think of his game and his calling style
and his personnel style is we're gonna stop the run
to be physical and we're gonna beat up a line
of scrimmage and then we'll figure everything else out. No,
it's not that it's exotic looks. It's covered the back end.
We're gonna send pressure. So when you get creative and
(47:19):
all of a sudden that's not working, you can't fall
back to what you built in training camp because you
never built it. If you never built that base of
we're gonna beat you up first, you can't go find
that week seven. You have to have that ingrained in
your DNA from the beginning. I think that's I'm not
saying it's a it's a problem, but it's becoming a
problem because Detroit built it how when we had the
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Williams Williams Wall, we built it how Day one, We're
gonna install our run defense with our base fundamental packages,
and you will not beat us with that.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
I'm gonna be in my gap. I'm gonna spill the
ball to the DJ's and run on at the top
of me. Ben's gonna take care of the backside.
Speaker 6 (47:54):
We're gonna have every guy and there's in there gap
except for Chart who's probably in the wrong spot for
him too. But the reality is is when you build
it that way, the first day of pads and training
camp is goal line and short yardage. We're setting the
tone with the front. You could fall back and get
exotic and get creative. But if you can never do that,
(48:15):
you can't go find that week seven because everybody's beat up,
we're hurt. We can't go toe to toe in pads
week seven and learn something about each other.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
You have to set up from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
If I'm you, i email Holly today, she'll probably get
you up to Saint Cloud for about fifty large.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I mean, you're firing bullets today. He's on fire.
Speaker 7 (48:33):
I'm glad you mentioned Flores though, because this is an
interesting matchup. I know Ben Johnson is gone, but Flora
has so many good things, and I know the bottom's
kind of falling out with the rush defense this year.
But I would say the Lions have had Flores' number
specifically over the last three seasons, maybe than any other team.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
And we're seeing no matter the personnel too, and that's.
Speaker 7 (48:53):
The key we're inverting safety is a couple of years
ago and it's Amonra uncovered.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
We're seeing absolute atrocious tackling.
Speaker 7 (49:00):
I think Gibbs is about to be stopped for again
of seven suddenly it's a fifty.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Six yard touchdown.
Speaker 7 (49:04):
No matter what Flores through at Ben Johnson, he solved
it and Gibbs himself eight or nine tds in like
the last two or three games. If somebody's offended in
that house, it's gotta be Flores. We can focus on
Darnold in the red zone last year in the finale
and all of those things Ben Johnson and now I
hope Johnny Morton isn't the same, but I mean they've
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had our number, and specifically Flores's number, maybe more so
than anybody else in the league.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
And to amplify that, and I think Alex Lewis can
validate it from film watching. Outside of the money Cam
bind him got with Indianapolis, I can argue the final
two games against the Lions ran Cam buying him out
of town. Jamiir Gibbs ran him out of town because
I mean with Paul due respect to Cam and we're
quite fond of Cam, very nice man.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
So it's not the personals business here. I mean, we're talking.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
About three four, five awful angles against Gibbs or whomever,
and then all of a sudden he's gone in free agency.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
You know, so, I think it's on a.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
Really good well to your point, why is it hard?
First of all, this is you know, you have to
look at how we're losing football games. Is this an
indictment on Flores? I think in some cases it has
to be. I'm sure he's taking it that way. I
love Bryan Flores. I think it is a great football coach,
one of the one of the best defensive coordinators in
the game. But at this point, right now, with the
personnel we have what he's operating with, do you have
to change your mindset and mentality towards how your calling plays.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
The second thing is why does Detroit? Why is it
so hard for us to beat them?
Speaker 6 (50:26):
When you can run the football and then have one
of the best play action passing games in the league.
It's complimentary football. I'm gonna hand it, get four on
first down, get six, get a first down, move the chains.
I'm going to play action pass. Now of a sudden,
you're sucked up because you can't stop the run.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
I'm gonna throw over the top. Yeah, I'm you know.
So it's complimentary football. They've built it the right way.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
The play calling fits that, and if you can't stop
a they're gonna get be easy. All of a sudden,
I'm not as worried about your running game because I
got you. First of all, we're playing ahead. Can our
offense stay on the field. Those are all things we
talked about off air. That that matters the moment.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
The other thing Brian Flores talked about earlier this week.
Speaker 8 (51:04):
Was that, Brian, you know, this Lion's offense has been together,
Jared Goff, the offensive line, aman Ra Jamison, so they
can adapt. And Brian Flaworer is like, they can go
back to something they did against US two years ago
and have recalled.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
To adapt end game.
Speaker 8 (51:20):
And that's where this Vikings defense like, there are different pieces,
so the continuity isn't the same to be able to
adapt the way they have.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Especially when you don't have a Van Ginkle. So I
think that's also been.
Speaker 8 (51:31):
Part of why they've had so much success against the
Vikings is they've been able to adjust an adapt in
game because of the aptitude of their players and the continuity,
and that's played a role too, Like I imagine you
had experience.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
Well, you mentioned Dan Skipper and what's about to happen
this week? Yi, I met Dan Skipper is about to
have that is a mountain of him gigantic.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
I met him. I'm like, what is this? Okay? So,
but the reality is this, Why are they doing that?
Speaker 6 (51:56):
Because at the end of the day, they know that
they line up your limited package with those extra linemen
are in there, you have a limited package. You have
a couple of pass plays off of that, a trick them,
a goddam plays, a couple of man routes. But they're
doing it because they say we're gonna line up, You're
not going to stop us M and then tell you
do that. Why would you go away from it. I'm
gonna hand it to my running back who's really good.
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The chance of been fumbling is low. You can't stop us.
We're gonna keep extending to change. Your defense is gonna
stay on the field and get soft and ringing the
fourth quarter. So again, now go back to what I
said about JJ running the football, RPOs, quick out of
the hand, extend drives, keep your offense on the field,
got and do a rhythm as a play caller. That
helps your defense more than anything is because they're fresh
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and it keeps the Detroit offense on the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Can we do that for what? For what? Once? This
season might be the first? Can we go control the
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I will say the thoughts on the wrong game like
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Speaker 1 (53:43):
A win.
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Many things, episode of one of two one third down.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
This is a doozy third and eleven from their own
seventeen Carson Wentz put.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
The ball and he gets it, goes back to past
and now he is stamped back at the eight yard line.
That was getting happy. Herbert under center and off the
doll upside, runs into a host of keys, but then
he takes off down and as.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
In the in zone touchdown l A Targers.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
That is their first.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Rushing touchdown of the twenty twenty five season. Second and
ten Herbert for the back two was left out of
the shotgun Hey right side end zone caught.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Touchdown rat Mconukee, who blowbot blue by Jeff Ohuda like
he was tied to a.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Post tighten in motion.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
To the left of Herbert. He rolls out to the
right looking to the end zone. Now it's between the
Asmarks flicks it to the endzone and the spot touchdown
LA Chargers. That is Pray Harris, the Mississippi rookie with
his first National Football League touchdown reception. Herbert has thrown
three and the Chargers lead thirty to ten. West fot
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Te Devas who's at ball the right side left that
ball went right to a number of the LA Chargers.
It's an interception with a pass intended for Jefferson r
Jane Micks that Clemson. He picked it off and he
returned to fifteen yards just like that at all, Bros
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Merges Avi or Scott on a gun line heads to
the right side across the line of scrimmage of the
thirty five and he'll he will bounce off a Charger nicely.
That's a game of ten yards and the Vikings first down.
We're now down to ten seconds to go in the game,
and that's going to be as the Vikings walk on
another play, they're going to hoist the white flag and
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the LA Chargers improved to five and three.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
The Minnesota Vikings drop two, three and.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Four after losing thirty seven to ten to the LA Chargers.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
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Speaker 2 (03:45):
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Speaker 3 (05:34):
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Speaker 2 (05:36):
I know this thing's three and four, but it's a
Friday into the weekend, It's Halloween, and everybody's gonna get
all loose today. The Minnesota Vikings are three and four,
all right. The game eight days ago at so far
against the LA Chargers proved Loserville indeed does sound better
in FM. The Lions as usual are quite good and
(06:00):
it beating the Minnesota Vikings five consecutive times. But it's
JJ season, ladies and gentlemen. JJ season.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Take number two, as in J J.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
McCarthy, So let's get excited to watch this kid quarterback
grow as the leader everybody following the Vikings hopes he
will be. This Lions game has some priorities as nine
to noon rolls, and priority number one would involve said
quarterback JJ McCarthy and some form of improvement some signs
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that we see from JJ McCarthy, whether the Minnesota Vikings
win or lose. Priority number one let's keep this quarterback
on the field, let's watch him improve, and let's continue
to move on Nordo, good morning.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
Good morning. Yeah, that's why I did that segment earlier.
This week is three and four.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's ugly.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
Injury issues ugly, the quarterback situation due to health ugly ugly.
And at this stage of the game, we're going into
a weekend where Ford Field Halloween asked might feel like
a haunted house. But at this stage, the expectations need
to be altered, and maybe our focus is a fan
base needs to be altered. We want this team to
win every game, there's no doubt about it. But after
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the build up to seeing number nine take the field
opening night at Soldier Field, to the ankle injury and
then poof, he's gone for six weeks, the ability to
see this kid back on the field and at the
end of this season, regardless of the record, again, I
want a playoff team. I was sold on a roster
that was a playoff team independent of a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
That's what I wanted, and that's what I want.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
But with number nine at the end of the season,
I want to know what we have in this kid
and seeing some levels whatever that is materially of improvement,
whether it's time and rhythm of the offense, decision making,
using that mobility, protecting himself in the pocket, having a
couple of badass tackles at his disposal on Sunday certainly
(07:56):
will help. But seeing that improvement from JJ is a
topic for me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Alex Lewis covers the Minnesota Vikings for the Athletic and
the Athletic dot Com, which means he's at all the
press conferences, including offensive coordinator Wes Phillips and or head
coach Kevin O'Connell. He's gathering all of the steam during
the course of the week. JJ McCarthy, take number two,
What are you feeling?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
What are you hearing? And good morning? First of all,
I thought you were gonna dress up. I did, as
Jay leno. I mean we didn't talk about it. I
really I expected you to walk in with some Ah.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
What do I you know?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
With JJ? And good morning? Good morning? Thank you by
the way, Uh with JJ, I'm kind of gonna flip it.
Speaker 8 (08:42):
Like the thought before this season was that he was
being handed the keys to this ferrari, and this has
not been a ferrari.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It's been like a Mazda. And that's really like, I know.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
No offense anybody who drives a Mazda or Mazda for
sponsored or endorsed by Mazda.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
But your local Mazda dealers brings you. This portion of the.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
Fact is the offensive line has not been nearly good enough,
so much of that is a byproduct of health. And
then the interior defensive line that was overhauled this offseason
has not been good enough either. And the more I
watch this league, the more I cover this league, it's
really two things.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Can you run the football? Can you stop the run?
Speaker 8 (09:20):
He can't do those two things, it's probably not worth
even talking about anything else. So around JJ this weekend,
from a protection standpoint, can that group be engaged? And
then defensively, can the Vikings take some of the pressure
off of him for him to do what he needs
to do, which is stay healthy, see the field well,
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get the ball out quick, and be accurate like those
That's the thing when in the first two games he
held the ball too long and he wasn't accurate enough.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Those have to rise to a certain level.
Speaker 8 (09:51):
But he has to be put in a position where
not everything is absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
On him for this thing to go Okay Sunday Priority
number two Sunday Noon for the boom Ford Field Bastin
never expanding KFAM, Minnesota Vikings Audio Network. Look the part
of an organized bunch, all right now? Eight days ago,
you know when Loserville was sounding better in FM. Looking
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the part of an organized bunch, to a certain extent
means limiting penalties and seeing things or enduring things in
games offensively or defensively that aren't going the right way
and not taking an hour for them to change. Those
would be a couple of examples. This is a tough
team to beat in the well A. It's a tough
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team to beat. B It's a tough team to beat
in the penalty battle. See, it's a very tough team
to beat in the turnover battle. This team is plus
six in the turnover differential. They are number one in
the NFL for forced fumbles. They are number one in
the NFL with strip sacks, and they only have five
gives this year. They've only given the ball away five
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times through seven games. That's a fifth best in the NFL.
So win one of those categories and let's just look organized.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, yeah for me.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
You know, we talked about turning the page earlier this week,
turning the page on these pre snap penalties and just
clamping around and thankfully again due to the health of
the offensive line, hopefully banking that into the weekend, the
idea that you're going to have four out of your
preferred five save for the center of course, pre snab penalties,
weird holds, ineligible men down field. I mean, if you
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want JJ to show improvement this weekend, a long Jordan
Mason run that's taken back by a holding penalty and
suddenly you're first and twenty, you're setting your QB up
for a lack of success. You're setting yourself up for
a punt, and you're setting yourself up to lose a
track meet against a team that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Make these mistakes.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
And from a defensive standpoint, you know, just the tackling
needs to improve. I mean, the organization of the team
maybe in some ways leads to basic or fundamental exec
cution of the team on Sunday. All those things off
a Thursday into potentially a haunted house at Ford Field
on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
All that needs to be better and priority number three,
I mean, this really could have gone about nine deep,
but for the purpose of time. Priority number three yours truly,
and several others we'll be looking for. Is let's start
establishing identities, all right? The Minnesota twenty twenty five Minnesota
Viking sadly lack identity. And it was very easy to
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find the identity of this team last year. I mean,
you could start with Van Ginkle and Grenard and what
they would pose from a threat standpoint, off the edge
against adversarial offenses. Now, the expectation absolutely is that Andrew
Van Ginkle will play this weekend opposite Jonathan Grenard, who
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I believe will play despite some injury report terrorism. So
let's start establishing identities. Maybe with forty three and fifty
eight with the arguably as good an edge duo last
year as any duo in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
That was a sweet identity, Alec.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
The identity of the three to four Vikings is it
null and void at this minute? And from a scribe standpoint,
a covering standpoint, what are some things that you would
think would be cool to say?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
No, you're right like that is?
Speaker 8 (13:24):
I mean, I remember in London, in the postgame press
conference after the win against Cleveland entering the bye week,
one of the things that Kevin O'Connell talked about was like,
we have to use this bye week to identify what
our identities are. And it didn't I mean coming out
of that obviously losing two games. It doesn't feel like
they've settled on any specific areas. I thought entering the season,
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and I said this many times with both you guys
that the defensive line and the run game we're going
to be the scaffolding of this team as they developed
JJ into this season, and it really doesn't feel like
the defensive line or the run game have.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Been strengths at all. And I guess my question at this.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
Point is can you, now nine weeks into the season,
get to a place where those things can be the idea?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I know, but that's I mean the run game.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
For me, Like obviously game script plays a part in
how many times you're running the ball and the effectiveness,
but just establishing that to be able to then run
play action with JJ, which makes it easier for the
quarterback feels huge.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Sunday and moving forward.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, this play action you're about to see from the
Detroit Lions, in case you forgot about it, it's high,
high end. The quarterback barely gets sacked. He it's about
seventy five percent of his passes, second best in the
NFL behind Drake May And it is a lot of
short stuff. They don't go over the top a lot.
They try to beat you from ten to about twenty
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or twenty five and watch those guys run.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
So that's all coming up this weekend now.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
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Speaker 3 (16:56):
And they did. Hey, thank you for coming out today,
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Speaker 2 (17:01):
We really appreciate that. And what we also appreciate is
our first guest. Today we have two on site guests,
and our first is one of the better defensive players
in the history of Minnesota Vikings football. He is one
of the great tacklers in the history of Minnesota Vikings
football ladies and gentlemen, Can I get a witness and
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a rockous round of.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Applause for Chad buring Ways. Thank you, good to be here,
good to be back on site.
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Speaker 3 (17:45):
What was the first? First? What was happening there? The first?
Uh her official visit? Official bill? Thank you? They paid
for this one. I love that was taking every moment
of that one. In no doubt.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
You're check to chef two, so that matters, yes, But nevertheless,
when you're not at the the team loses, all right.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So the team's three and four. It's great to have
you back here. Chad Greenway and.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
The Minnesota Vikings are big underdogs into this game this weekend.
They're nine point underdogs. And you were never an underdog
to the Detroit Lions. And it actually took me about
forty minutes to figure this thing out. You were never
an underdog in a game against the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
That's incredible. And the Lion.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
The Lions are quite good, as we know, but we
do have favorite Vikings Lions or Detroit Lions moments from
over the years. You know, I'd like to begin with
the two thousand and eight season when they went winless,
where the Lions played sixteen and lost them all. Yep,
there was now The Vikings won the division that year,
and they got a wild card game at home and
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lost to Philadelphia. Bad division that year. But nevertheless, the
Lions went ohen sixteen in two thousand and eight and
they had a couple of meat You guys had a
couple of meat grinders against them. I mean, try to
put him at one in fifteen in one of these
twelve to ten games, it was aggressive. Hanson kept trying
to dagger you late at Ford Field. And how about this,
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Dante Culpepper had a seventy yard touchdown pass to Calvin
Johnson in the Ford Field game in two.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So I when I was looking at all of this
stuff up, I mean, honestly, I will give you a
one hundred dollars bill right now, and if you can't
name it, there are five of them.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
You'll see. You have to give me twent five bills.
You have to give me a twenty Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Five quarterbacks played for the Detroit Lions that season in
two thousand and eight. No chance, no bet, no chame.
You don't want the five to one, no bet? All right, Well,
at Metrodome when you beat him twelve ten, that was
the game. Jared Allen Chase Dan Orlofsky out of the
end zone. So you got Orlovsky, You have Dante Culpepper.
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Any of the constituents here want to throw out any names?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Jean Hill, Joey Harrington.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Was there a kitten in the mix?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
John Hittingum makes number three? Okay? Now the other two
really have the same first name. Oh Man Drew Stanton,
oh wow from the crowd.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And Drew he Hens Drew Henson Henson Wow. Yeah, they
had five quarterbacks that year. We we liked that version
of the Detroit Lions a little more than the current one. Yes,
that was fun, the one that found a way to
go Owen sixteen fans with bags over their heads. Ye,
ladies and gentlemen. It's nearly two decades removed from that.
(20:34):
But how about a round of applause for the Owen
sixteen Detroit Lion two thousand and eight. Thank you, thank
you very much.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I remember in the draft year six lines went nine
took Ernie Simms, linebacker Florida State University. Yeah, at the
time was like god, I would love to be number nine,
and then a couple years later it was like may
of them, I'm happy, I'm just picked up and cheat.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well, the next year, after Owen sixteen, they had the
first overall pick in the draft.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Take would have been Staff, the Super Bowl winning quarterback
Stord choice.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So that's then, this is now, and you know that
five quarterback trick is probably not preferred. The Vikings have
already gone through three. But like brosemers come in and
mop up type time. So uh, let's begin here with
the game changer, Jamiir Gibbs. And uh, Jamiir Gibbs. When
he gets out in space, I mean he's a monster.
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He's an absolute preacher. When Gibbs and Montgomery both score
in the same game, which happens, it's a thing. As
the kids would say, the Lions are fourteen to zero,
so they're going to try to get that little thing going.
They got a nice little running game. What do you
think of that whole thing? And good morning, Yeah, good morning.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
I think when you look about Jamiir Gibbs games specifically,
I can think back to my career and a couple
of guys that absolutely gave you terror when you went
to bed at night before the game. You know, the
Reggie Bushes, the darren Sprolls, the guy out of the backfield.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
It was just going to give you an absolute problem.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
And the oldest adage from the linebacker coach was if
you were as fast as them, you'd be playing running back.
So you better take a good angle, you better, you
better cut off his routes. You better make sure you
know where your help is and get to them as
fast as you can and cover them up. I think
this game this weekend, especially with JJ coming back, the
state of our offensive line, our ability to stop the
run is gonna is gonna win or lose the football game.
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In my opinion, our ability to play in the line
of scrimmage with these guys. This thing has been flipped
on his head in the last five years where all
of a sudden, the Detroit Lions are the team in
the NFL. In the trenches, they're more physical, They're gonna
beat you up. It's a mentality thing. It's a scheme thing,
it's a personnel thing.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Trench is not just no line but liked McNeil and
DJ Reider and Hutchinson is just grimy, and they're grimy
and they're tough.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
I think if you could define this this Detroit team
in one word, it's grit. You know, they're just kind
of that team.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
And I think.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
It's been complete flip when Campbell came in and they've
bought in. It matches the personality of the city. And
we now have to go in and teams have to
go in Detroit and match their level of intensity in
that spot. And I think that's gonna be the biggest
risk and biggest issue we have.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
What are you identifying through a practice week in terms
of how to attack that Gibbs in Montgomery duo, because
it feels like a large part of the run game,
they want to get Gibbs to the outside. So now
I'm looking for a great tackling game, whether it's slock
corners or maybe it's Wilson or Cashman that can find
their way to the boundary and make a tackle. But
on that seventy eight yard or he had the other week,
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they absolutely washed out the second level with the O
line linebackers nowhere to be found right up the middle
seventy eight to the outside.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
He out runs everybody.
Speaker 7 (23:29):
How are what are you trying to identify over the
course of a week that says here's one thing that
they're going to try to do us, and I know
we can beat that if we pay attention.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Yeah, I think you have to self scout first of
all and understand where are we having our issues?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
And to me, it's always about simplify.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
If you can simplify your scheme and take it back
to fundamentals where it's just gap control. We have to
identify how we take on blocks. Now, you're going to
lose one on one matchups within a play, and that's
sometimes how the game gets busted. The run gets busted,
you lose. But you try to simplify your scheme and
get back to what you do well in the run game.
Think that's that's what you have to do. Here is
you may have to simplify your package entirely. In the
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past game and coverage just a simple simple the communication,
less communication more in gap control, make sure you get
to your gap, don't try to cross space, and make
a play, simplify the game, and what makes football so
great to me is the biggest The best part about
football is all eleven have to do their job.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And if all eleven are in.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Their gap doing what they're supposed to do, playing with
the right kind of leverage, now it's that guy's job
to make the play.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
And at that point it becomes a tackling game.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
So to me, the biggest caveat here is when you
get guys out in space like Jimior Gibbs, who is
an absolute game changer, that's going to be completely down
to tackling in one on one situations. And how how
much are we run to the backside on a on
a play that we think somebody's going to make the play?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
We call it loafing.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
If you loaf on the backside of a play, loaf tracker,
you never want to get digged for that thing. How
many how many hats to the ball are we having
on every snap?
Speaker 8 (24:55):
I wonder, just as someone whose whole job for a
long time was to stop the run? Like, how hard
has it been for you to watch this defense in recently?
Obviously gets Philly?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
They were better stopping the runn't blitz or cover that
what you're saying is.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
That what you're saying, please don't put me in that spot.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
I think Tampa too. They don't ever rush the outside
of that unbelievable. The kids, I mean, just just kids
these days.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I think.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I think when you look at the most frustrating part
from a defensive player is when you physically can't beat
somebody because you're getting to dominate the line of scrimmage
and there's not a whole lot of things you can do.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I've been a part of those teams to San Francisco game.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
I always mentioned because we just got overwhelmed in that
game with their physicality.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
And that's the thing that you risk here.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
If we don't go with the right mentality and edge
to us defensively, it's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
We got to change your mindset.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
And I think on the flip side, when you're playing
with the Williams Wall and our run game was the
defensive un game was the most dominant the league for
several years because our mentality was you won't you might get,
you might get someone in the past game, We're gonna
paint our ears back and try to get quarterback, but
you will not beat us running the football right, and
when you control that part of the game, you now
dictate to that quarterback you better beat us.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And all by the way, we have Jared Allen, Russian
and these other guys.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
So that to me is but it's more of a
mindset and the defensive one game to me as a team,
and I think have we gotten away from that?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Is it personnel? I think is a combination of things. Yeah,
I'm curious.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
About that because how quickly do you change things the
way we're talking about this, the way that you know
Alex laying it out, establishing the run and stopping the
run two absolute a topics for development of JJ, but
also just being competitive in games. You mentioned the personnel
aspect of it. There are parts of this where it's like,
I don't know if that's going to change. I mean,
we all wake up Friday morning and you are with
me in the feast and we're like Kamani Vadal or
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do that as a player, you walk into the locker room,
you're in the film room the next day after a
tough loss, and you're like Kamani Vadal, that's a thing
that really happened. I'm just worried in terms of, you know,
the way you're building it out conceptually, totally agree in
your experience. Will we'll stamp that, But how quickly you
can change them seems like a problem. And there does
feel like from year to year there's something missing specifically
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on the interior that is allowing whether it's Bijon.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Who has a right to change games?
Speaker 7 (27:10):
You fantastic gibbs this weekend, Well, we'll get to see
how we handle it. But there's something missing there, man,
that just wasn't here a year ago.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Well, the question you asked last week was who are we?
What's our identity? How do we win or lose football games?
When you're this far into a season. That's who we are.
So we have to flip it and change it. Because
there's enough season left to clearly go win this division
and go make a huge impact and make it runs.
Well what division? Well, we have so many divisional games left.
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You can't tell me there's not an opportunity to go
into Detroit and flip your season. This would completely change
the mindset of our fan base, our season, our personnel
or players or coaches. If you can go in there
with the mindset and go do it. The best thing
is that we're an underdog. Nobody's giving us a shot.
Now you have to rally around that in the idea
is like this is who we have be the chip
on the shoulder, Like we are a really good football team.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
We're going to go prove it.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
We've got all these things that have happened to come
a way. You can't control, injury being the biggest one.
But you have to make sure it's a mindset. Thing
is like I don't care if they beat us, but
they're not gonna beat us this way. We we've done
a lot of these together for a lot of years. Yeah,
And there aren't many times because football players and coaches
are forever looking for an edge.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Did you see what so and so said here? Did
you see what so and so wrote there? Did you
see did you hear what so and so said there?
And quite frequently it's trite. Quite quite frequently they're they're
trying too hard to muster and or concoct an edge.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
That's not the case. This game doesn't mean as nine
point underdogs.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'm not big like national sports, TV, radio, radio guide,
but just following the vibe from afar locally or nationally,
there there aren't many who are giving the Vikings even
a puncher's chance in a game like this against a
Lions team off of buy they're going to get corner
Terrrian Arnold back what We're happy for him, he see,
has a lot to learn and and just who they
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are at five and two and and just losing five
in a row to them, and O'Connell's never won at
Ford Field. I mean, there are just some that doesn't
even get into what the two hundred chains the Vikings
just gave up on the on the running game on
the road. I mean, it's just the list is voluminous
when it comes to Yeah, I like, say, I'm on
this the ESPN show with Cam Newton in his topic
(29:28):
first take, Yeah, and my man's got his top hat.
See for Cam Newton, it's Halloween every day. I would
love to leave you up there with those guys.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
It's Halloween every day with those top hats.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
But anyway, so if I'm on that show and I'm like, hey,
this is with all due respect, but A B, C, D, E,
F and G and Detroit basically can't lose this game. Uh,
there is a lot of that bouncing around I would imagine,
so this is the use it as motivation and it's
a legitimate salvo.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
Yeah, I think you're talking about a lot of external communication.
I want to I want to know what the conversation
is in that locker room and in that defensive meeting room,
because this is a week where you get called to
the carpet by your coach, into the game after the
game last week, into the game this week. You're being
challenged from a manhood standpoint, a quality of play standpoint,
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how bad do you want?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
A standpoint like are you just sleeping on your checks?
Cash standpoint, like the.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Idea of like you have to be challenged, the idea
of just your ability to play football from within, from
the people you care about, their opinion the most, because
you can have an opinion of my game, and you know,
somebody write in the paper can have an opinion, or
the national pundits can have an opinion. But if my
coach or my peer has an opinion and they challenge
me on that, that's to me, what makes the game
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so great is when the accountability and the pressure is
coming from within to say we have to clean this up,
because now let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Jobs are one thousand percent at stake.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
If you can't flip this and turn this around, it's
going to be on the coaching staff and the personnel.
The fact that if we don't get back or personnel,
we can't this can't be a yearly thing week all
of a sudden, can't stop the run.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
It's interesting.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I had a long conversation yesterday in the locker room
with Jonathan Gernard, and I kind of view him internally
as one of I mean, the clear vocal, you know voice.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
It's natural and authentic. Get him.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
Yeah, And he was very I mean similar to the
conversation you just had, like he was very upfront of
I mean, nobody like this has not been enjoyable. We
expect so much more, I mean it, and I guess
like it does feel like and I'm glad you you asked.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Chad like and brought that up the way you did.
It does feel like right.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Now, like the motivation and the back against the wall
feeling is at the highest that I can probably remember.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
And it's right and right, it's not concocted.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
And they feel that like you could feel in my
conversation with Grenard yesterday like that they they feel like
they have to prove it to themselves internally and that
they you know, they're not trying to prove it to
the world. They're just trying to prove what they feel
like they are and.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
They have not shown.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
Yeah, I think at the end of the day when
he boiled. But what football, What makes football so great
is it's an emotional game. And when you go on
the road and lose and get your butt kicked and
you lack of motion as a football team, like, that's
a problem. Now this is a response, and I'm waiting
to see the response, and I think we're going to
learn a lot about our football team this week, I agree,
And how much passion they have the coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I think it's I think it's important week for us
in several levels.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
It's a very different circumstances. Two thousand and nine, you
go to the NFC title game, and I know twenty
ten had a bunch of weird oddities, including some off
field related bits.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
What do you mean the dome collapsed but you know
certain scourger. Yeah, all kinds of funny mans. But Snapchat
not being invented, or you win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
The reason that comes to mind For me, though, is
the idea that two thousand and nine, albeit it ends tragically,
the build up into twenty ten, we were so close.
Now we're going to run through that door in twenty ten, and.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Then it started scale. It was weird.
Speaker 7 (33:02):
There were just bad things had We had injuries, We
had all sorts of things ultimately bred excuse me, Brett
hitting his head via Corey Wooton on the college stadium
field and his career is over. Is there any how
do you what was it like at that time where
you felt like you were in quicksand you guys probably
had moments like this team is experiencing in the locker
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room now.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
It just never you were never able to get out
of it and move forward. For yeah, it's the two
steps forward to three steps back. Bit.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I mean, you can go and you can do all
the right things and say the right things, and go
to practice and practice the right things and be on
your stuff, and things simply may not go your way.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Welcome to the NFL.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Things happened, the dome collapses, coach get fired, Randy Moss.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Bit, I mean it's a whole thirty for thirty on
the twenties ten season.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
So the reality is is and things can slide quick right,
oh nine Championship game, twenty ten, coaches fired, we move
on path, The organization completely flips and changes.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
It happens fast.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
I think the most important thing is at that point
we had a really veteran team and it was going
to start to flip.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
In this case right now.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
That you can make an argument is like this team
is ready to win now, right, so we want Yeah,
it's an older roster. So dare you say, like these
next two years are really important or do you slide
the other direction like that happened in twenty ten, which
takes you to twenty eleven and twelve and thirteen, which
were just a mass other than the Agrian year. In
twenty twelve we has hand evolved him seven hundred times
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and it worked out great. But the reality is this
is a slippery slope. And if you go laying negga
Detroit this season is over, you mean get blown out, yep.
And and no only that, but just you can lose
in a tough way. But you watch as a fan,
be like they gave everything.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
They got today. Yeah, yeah, and I think it's a fight.
I think it's a fan. You always appreciate that. Right.
If I'm watching now as a fan, I'm like, you
can tell when the team quits, Like.
Speaker 8 (34:56):
The Chargers game, you start to see the flicker of yeah,
like is the like go going out?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, Look at the Dolphins last night. Yeah, that is
a team where it is freaking it's it's over a
big way. Yeah, And I think you can feel that
from a fan base. You can feel that from the
locker room, from the coaches.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
All of a sudden, the owner spends a couple more
days in the office, you know, next week, and everybody
feels a little bit of pressure, and all of a sudden,
my job's at risk, and all of a sudden that
thing slides quick. I think this is a man demand
conversation of it's time to buck up and be a
pro and we got to go put our best foot forward.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
Can you feel that slide in the moment or does
it just happen and then you're looking back on it.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
You I always took it like this is I have
to make sure I take care of my stuff, sure,
because at the end of the not it's not a
selfish thing.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
It's more of a if I take care of my
p's and q's and I'm on my stuff.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
It allows me to be the best version of myself,
which in turn, you hope rubs off on the other guys.
And I think that's you know, that's how you probably
stay in the locker room for eleven years. Yeah, but
not everybody has that mentality because all of a sudden
they're starting to think about a vacation and I'm making
this much money next year anyways, and they're paying me regardless.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Like natural human in some way thoughts.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Yeah, But I think when you have a tighter group,
and you have a good locker room, and you have
a good staff, which I believe we have all those things.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I don't think that happens as this football team.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
One thing into Sunday's game for this team win or lose.
We were talking about priorities at the opening the show,
and you watch JJ those first two games and now
McCarthy's going to get another chance. Take two, twenty twenty
five edition with McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Is there one.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
Particular thing that you took out of those first two
games where it's like, if I could see this on
Sunday at Ford Field, part of that turning a corner
one way or another, hopefully it's in the winner circle.
But either way, one thing you see from JJ on Sunday,
that's like, all.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Right, I think there's a light on upstairs there. I
want to see the ball out of his hand. Quicker,
we know we have our issues.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Get the ball of his hand and put it in
the playmaker's hands and let them make place. I think
that's number one. His accuracy within those throws is going
to be really important. And this is gonna be really
dumb to say, because this is a kid coming off
an injury and had missed.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
The whole year. I want to see them be creative
with the play calling of what he can.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Do, which is run the football, which is give people
rpo looks that we've been getting hit on for years
that we can now do. Freeze that outside linebacker and
give Jaj the ball the chance to slide and gain
five on first down. Like to me, I know that's
the dumb thing to say to a kid coming off injury,
but you either go play to win the game or
you go play it will not lose. And to me,
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we go open the play a calling. We allow him
to do what he does. Because the kids athletic and
all of a sudden you run for five, you might
get a little hit.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Now you're in the game, you're in the flow. You
go make a play.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Chad Greenway, former linebacker for the Minnesota Vikings. Courtesy of
Great Duck Vodka and Great Duck Spirits. Chad was part of.
Chad was part of something very strange in a game
against the Detroit Lions back in the day. We will
share that and to continue to analyze this contest around
the corner when we continue at Buffalo Wild Wings, Jan
(37:51):
Hassen for the Friday Football.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Give it to us on KFA N.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Welcome back to Buffalo Wild Wing Jan Assen for the
Friday Football Feast.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
One of your biggest fans.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
In fact, somebody who has a game, warn what what
number did you wear at at Iowa?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Six? You can act like you don't know what was
it at Iowa?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
So like I watched you were there in Iowa was
focusing on Abdul Hodge man smart guy.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Eighteen eighteen. I was promised number eight of my recruiting visit.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
I was a no star recruit, so when I got there,
eight turned into eighteen road j somehow, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Pretty good number.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Somebody somebody who has game worn eighteen's from uh from
Iowa City and actually so they were selling those things.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Unbelievable. Yeah, you didn't get any money for it?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I think he and his family took a trip to
Korea or Taiwan and they had a bunch of them
there and he came back with once and it's just
it's a little small, but that's okay. And secondly, maybe
some game more than fifty twos from the Purple and
Gold days. Somebody I know of whom you're very fond
Johnny the Mouse Michelson, captain of the eighty three Wisetta
(39:24):
club hockey team, the most formidable club hockey team in
the history of club hockey. In fact, he wore the
seat for this club hockey team. You know him, right, Yes, well,
he reminds me that in I'm not sure the year,
but do you remember when you intercepted a pass against
the Lions in the second quarter and you returned it
to the lions eighteen yard line? All right, everybody go crazy?
(39:48):
Stuff like that? Oh nine the Vikings offense. Then you
took over in the red zone. You had a chance
to score, but committed multiple penalties and had a sack
and went back to the forty yard line and we
punted and you find it.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, that was my last That was my last pick
of my career. Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:05):
It was the US Bank my last year. You picked
them off. Get down to the red zone, sky yu, ma,
here we go hit it. I hit to hit him
with one of these.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
It didn't work. Shocking at thirty four years old. Whoever
it was, got shepherded out of bounce. We go backwards
thirty yards, pumped the ball, probably probably kicked it in
the end zone.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Touched back yeah, then probably rip brief.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
I think I took it to the nineteen and they
got the ball in the twenty when it was done,
so we actually lost the yard.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, that's for some mouse brings that up occasionally and
and for some reason I can't remember that, but it's
such an astounding moment.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, well, why didn't you get to the end zone
at that stage of your career? You did? You did before? Four?
Go to a four six? I had a back, I
had a hammy, I had four kids.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
Yeah, well, you used all that sweet on that Chargers
pick six that you at the College Stadium. Didn't cost
accidentally like a security guard that was.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Gerald Hodges, Harold Dodgers, h erld Hoigh. Yeah, and props
and and there's video of this, by the way, you
might have to look hard for it. Props to the
to the yellow jacket security person at what was then
TCF Bank Stadium, because there was a lot going on
in that play. Philip rivers right to Greenway. He gets
to the house from like eighty crowd sideline. Crowd's going yeah,
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the sideline was unbelievable. Crowd's going nuts. The security person
back right to the end zone, making sure nobody runs
on the field, never turned around to look at the play. Focus,
I mean totally focused, I feely even when Gerald Hodge
is a former linebacker trying to celebrate jumps, doesn't see
said security person buries the person into the wall.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Even a fan.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
Last night, I brought this up, and sad man, is
that the one where it took you like thirty minutes
to get the end zone? I was like, well, twenty
seven minutes, But I said, what you forget about was
like what seemed like a twenty play drive to get there.
So I'm already gassed. I catch this thing on the nine,
I'm thinking, really, I angle right sudden, There's no way
I can't get tackled.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
If I fall. Now it's me tripping. I have to
go the whole way. Score it. It was great.
Speaker 7 (42:07):
You think about just kind of taking a breath and
just stepping out, I mean.
Speaker 6 (42:10):
Did I And then when I got one of my
favorite moments of my careers, I got a he is
a loose call, that's right, and it was the best.
It was way better than any of Adrians Adrian's runs. Ever,
let's be honest, and I got that, which is yeah,
which I love. I have that audio all right on
my phone.
Speaker 8 (42:24):
The greenway at the feast is you just bring up
memories and him getting roast.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
But these are good ones though, Yeah, right, they are good.
That's what happens when the squad's three and four.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Now, if if nord so Nordo did't produce a show
obviously because actually it's absolutely negative clump, fourth and twenty
bills action like all the stuff that this that you
just regurgitated every he.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Got terrorism out and Scott Chandler catches a stray.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Out of nowhere.
Speaker 7 (42:47):
Times bad times, final season. You got to pick against
the Lions. You may have also had Eric Swoop in
the Colts game. Oh end in my career, I run.
I mean in my mind, not in anybody.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
It didn't actually because that could have played again.
Speaker 7 (43:01):
That was Adrian's final game too.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, yeah, average thirteen plays a game that season.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
That was the best they still paid me. I was like, wait,
I thought I had to play every snap of the
game to get paid. No, it's gonna pay thirteen. I
got a serious question for you. And this is actually
after talking to some people over the course. So since
the Chargers game, uh, this jumbo package bit jumbo packages
are becoming quite on vogue around the National Football League.
(43:28):
So you know, in our fishball, we see what we
see under our rock, and that generally is, oh, you're
in Dublin, you know, just trying to maybe have a pint,
pop around to uh some pubs and have a good
time and beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Uh until you see
tackle Spencer Anderson joined six to seven, befeating tight end
(43:50):
Darnell Washington, and then Kenneth Gangwell. Kenneth Kangwell has the
best rushing game of his career. All right, So then
you move forward and the Judkins from Ohio State does
his thing between the tackles and wide, and then you
get to then you get to the Philly game and
they bring in extra offensive lineman Fred Johnson.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
All right, complete run, look down in distance, whole thing
deep shot. Aj Brown six, Ok, dope, got you play.
Whole Thing's not beautiful, but it was beautiful. And then
you get to the Chargers game. Scott Mattlock. This one
got me because forty four Scott Mattlock is. They seldomly
used fallback, all right. I mean if it's Nasee Harris
(44:32):
or if it's Omari in Hampton, the North Carolina rookie, they.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Didn't even use him that. They didn't use him that
much with them.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Well, they they played him thirty eight plays the three
games up to the Vikings game. They played this beefeater
forty one plays in the Vikings game. Why because they
couldn't stop him. And I'm so glad when it comes
to run defense and the handling of these jumbo packages,
because here it comes again, Dan Skipper. I mean, the
(44:59):
Lions are og with the jumbo by the way, Skipper
was doing it before. You know, while my man Matt
Locke was trying to do something to Boise State with
Ashton Genty. So they're og with the jumbo. Here it comes.
They got a tie end named Ross Dwellie doesn't play
a ton right, He'll play a ton this weekend. Rock
Right's got a little blocking to him. I guess, so
does Laporta. Laporta is actually a nice all around player.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Here it comes again.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
But what you said earlier with Nordo is so true man,
I tried to share it a little bit like late
last week. Coaches, I can't speak for players, but over
the years, Zimmer probably was ten of ten with this
Leslie Frazier.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
It would get to him too. When you get run
on and you can't stop it.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
That bugs coaches more than anything I've seen, and that
includes turnovers and procedural penalties because it's basically, week after
week you're in the squared circle, everybody has boxing gloves on,
and you're getting knocked out every single week with roundhouses,
jabs and upper cut. So like, how does that slow
(46:02):
this week? In this jumbo package bit? And in fairness,
Van Ginkol should be back in the equation. That's huge,
first of all. Second of all, when you talk about
the run game not being able to stop it. It's
like being the weakest guy at the armrestley match. Right,
You're gonna get called out by everybodycause everybody wants an
easy win all of a sudden. The only way to
get better is that is to go win some matches, right,
to go one on one with somebody and win. I think,
(46:23):
at the end of the day is it's a mindset.
And I think when a coach gets so offended by that,
especially you.
Speaker 6 (46:29):
Think about zim Er Fraser defensive minded coaches when they've
at defense that's not physical enough to hope against the run,
it's an indictment on them as a coach. Now koc
offensive coach, quarterback likes to throw the football. There's different
ways to win a football game. Team has built differently.
This now kind of falls into the Flores category. A
defensive coordinator and how personal is he taken it? Because
(46:49):
that's at the end of the day, Like Flora's has
been historically good in a lot of different places, done
really good here.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
But what's he known for. Is he known for having
the just.
Speaker 6 (46:57):
To sheer run stopping defense, physical up front. No, it's creativity,
it's blitz packages, it's being creative with his personnel. I
would never think of his game and his calling style
and his personnel style is we're gonna stop the run
to be physical and we're gonna beat up a line
of scrimmage and then we'll figure everything else out. No,
it's not that it's exotic looks. It's covered the back end.
We're gonna send pressure. So when you get creative and
(47:19):
all of a sudden that's not working, you can't fall
back to what you built in training camp because you
never built it. If you never built that base of
we're gonna beat you up first, you can't go find
that week seven. You have to have that ingrained in
your DNA from the beginning. I think that's I'm not
saying it's a it's a problem, but it's becoming a
problem because Detroit built it how when we had the
(47:42):
Williams Williams Wall, we built it how Day one, We're
gonna install our run defense with our base fundamental packages,
and you will not beat us with that.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
I'm gonna be in my gap. I'm gonna spill the
ball to the DJ's and run on at the top
of me. Ben's gonna take care of the backside.
Speaker 6 (47:54):
We're gonna have every guy and there's in there gap
except for Chart who's probably in the wrong spot for
him too. But the reality is is when you build
it that way, the first day of pads and training
camp is goal line and short yardage. We're setting the
tone with the front. You could fall back and get
exotic and get creative. But if you can never do that,
(48:15):
you can't go find that week seven because everybody's beat up,
we're hurt. We can't go toe to toe in pads
week seven and learn something about each other.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
You have to set up from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
If I'm you, i email Holly today, she'll probably get
you up to Saint Cloud for about fifty large.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I mean, you're firing bullets today. He's on fire.
Speaker 7 (48:33):
I'm glad you mentioned Flores though, because this is an
interesting matchup. I know Ben Johnson is gone, but Flora
has so many good things, and I know the bottom's
kind of falling out with the rush defense this year.
But I would say the Lions have had Flores' number
specifically over the last three seasons, maybe than any other team.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
And we're seeing no matter the personnel too, and that's.
Speaker 7 (48:53):
The key we're inverting safety is a couple of years
ago and it's Amonra uncovered.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
We're seeing absolute atrocious tackling.
Speaker 7 (49:00):
I think Gibbs is about to be stopped for again
of seven suddenly it's a fifty.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Six yard touchdown.
Speaker 7 (49:04):
No matter what Flores through at Ben Johnson, he solved
it and Gibbs himself eight or nine tds in like
the last two or three games. If somebody's offended in
that house, it's gotta be Flores. We can focus on
Darnold in the red zone last year in the finale
and all of those things Ben Johnson and now I
hope Johnny Morton isn't the same, but I mean they've
(49:25):
had our number, and specifically Flores's number, maybe more so
than anybody else in the league.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
And to amplify that, and I think Alex Lewis can
validate it from film watching. Outside of the money Cam
bind him got with Indianapolis, I can argue the final
two games against the Lions ran Cam buying him out
of town. Jamiir Gibbs ran him out of town because
I mean with Paul due respect to Cam and we're
quite fond of Cam, very nice man.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
So it's not the personals business here. I mean, we're talking.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
About three four, five awful angles against Gibbs or whomever,
and then all of a sudden he's gone in free agency.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
You know, so, I think it's on a.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
Really good well to your point, why is it hard?
First of all, this is you know, you have to
look at how we're losing football games. Is this an
indictment on Flores? I think in some cases it has
to be. I'm sure he's taking it that way. I
love Bryan Flores. I think it is a great football coach,
one of the one of the best defensive coordinators in
the game. But at this point, right now, with the
personnel we have what he's operating with, do you have
to change your mindset and mentality towards how your calling plays.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
The second thing is why does Detroit? Why is it
so hard for us to beat them?
Speaker 6 (50:26):
When you can run the football and then have one
of the best play action passing games in the league.
It's complimentary football. I'm gonna hand it, get four on
first down, get six, get a first down, move the chains.
I'm going to play action pass. Now of a sudden,
you're sucked up because you can't stop the run.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
I'm gonna throw over the top. Yeah, I'm you know.
So it's complimentary football. They've built it the right way.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
The play calling fits that, and if you can't stop
a they're gonna get be easy. All of a sudden,
I'm not as worried about your running game because I
got you. First of all, we're playing ahead. Can our
offense stay on the field. Those are all things we
talked about off air. That that matters the moment.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
The other thing Brian Flores talked about earlier this week.
Speaker 8 (51:04):
Was that, Brian, you know, this Lion's offense has been together,
Jared Goff, the offensive line, aman Ra Jamison, so they
can adapt. And Brian Flaworer is like, they can go
back to something they did against US two years ago
and have recalled.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
To adapt end game.
Speaker 8 (51:20):
And that's where this Vikings defense like, there are different pieces,
so the continuity isn't the same to be able to
adapt the way they have.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Especially when you don't have a Van Ginkle. So I
think that's also been.
Speaker 8 (51:31):
Part of why they've had so much success against the
Vikings is they've been able to adjust an adapt in
game because of the aptitude of their players and the continuity,
and that's played a role too, Like I imagine you
had experience.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
Well, you mentioned Dan Skipper and what's about to happen
this week? Yi, I met Dan Skipper is about to
have that is a mountain of him gigantic.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
I met him. I'm like, what is this? Okay? So,
but the reality is this, Why are they doing that?
Speaker 6 (51:56):
Because at the end of the day, they know that
they line up your limited package with those extra linemen
are in there, you have a limited package. You have
a couple of pass plays off of that, a trick them,
a goddam plays, a couple of man routes. But they're
doing it because they say we're gonna line up, You're
not going to stop us M and then tell you
do that. Why would you go away from it. I'm
gonna hand it to my running back who's really good.
(52:16):
The chance of been fumbling is low. You can't stop us.
We're gonna keep extending to change. Your defense is gonna
stay on the field and get soft and ringing the
fourth quarter. So again, now go back to what I
said about JJ running the football, RPOs, quick out of
the hand, extend drives, keep your offense on the field,
got and do a rhythm as a play caller. That
helps your defense more than anything is because they're fresh
(52:37):
and it keeps the Detroit offense on the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Can we do that for what? For what? Once? This
season might be the first? Can we go control the
game hasn't happened yet, You're elite. Anything with Gray Duck
or Gray Duck Spirits is selling the hoodies, Yeah, we're
selling the hoodies.
Speaker 6 (52:51):
Finally got the Legends hoodies on this on this uh
on the site sout the Legends hoodie.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
So what's that includes.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
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and Benley the other two.
Speaker 6 (53:03):
And I'm actually gonna go to Top ten Liquors in
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a bunch of signed botts and great up, come support,
love it, thank you, and.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
Before you leave, make sure you watch NFL Network. Man
Tito is dressed and like I gasped a couple of
times when you were preaching football there because I just
saw him make two of the greatest h imaginary tackles
for memory Lop I've ever seen, well time you had.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
To do it.
Speaker 8 (53:34):
I will say the thoughts on the wrong game like
that is that is the conversation that should be happened.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Hey, that was really good a topic. Chack Greenway. Ladies
and gentlemen, can I get.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
A win.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Around the corner?
Speaker 2 (53:47):
We settle into the fantasy football feast at ten o'clock.
Then some bike spits about ten twenty Jason Hatch want
to stand up? I want to stand up. Buffalo Wings
chan ass him. That's our eleven am guest right there,
What do you think God? Vikings fans? Are you so
(54:07):
stuck at three and four you can't even booth the
knucklehead Midwestern sensibilities? I know, boy, that's super special. There
we go, Gray Area wins a lot. All right, we'll
be right back
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