Sunday Sermons: Gophers Gift, Wild Fall, Ode to a Dead Gal

Dan is back giving the sermons ahead of Week 6 of the NFL kicking off, he discusses Gophers Purdue, Wild, Vikings, and gives an Ode to a Dead Gal!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
An extensive.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
It'll feel never ending after two weeks of having no
Sunday sermons, two hour edition of the show, on the list,
on the menu today, on the platter, who's your hotline?
Not gonna apologize for it? Today boiler Makers refuse to
win NFL Football Sunday, which has already begun. Across the pond.

(00:29):
What stadium is that, blake More? You know all the
British stadiums. It's my favorite, Tohamy State number one. You
love that place. You've seen games, soccer games from there.
I've seen and soccer games. Vikings by Steam, just because
I feel obligated to mention vikings, even though I don't
really have a lot of buy Steam, but I'll I'll
make them up.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Wild home opener. Did you attend it? I did? Okay,
we'll get to hear review. I've got thoughts Owe to
a dead Gal.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
And the ultimate entry in the Minnesota Sports Calendar of Calamity.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
I think that covers it.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
If you have suggestions for others other ideas, let us
know via the Bradshawn Bryant Cafe and text line six
four six.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Eight six.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Because when you have two hours and no guests, you
can get to pretty much everything.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Looks like the quite a barn burner.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
By the way, in London under I should say winless
Jets leading Denver six to three. I think the Broncos
are driving as we speak. That is, in looks like
quarter number Are they already in quarter number two? I
want to say they're in one. Of course there's still one. Yeah,
that's when you need it. They won't show us.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I swear to the London games always just get field goal.
It's the field goal marathons.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
You're right late, first forty seconds to go in the
in the opening stands, I should say, what do I
start with?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I guess that's the.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Maybe a combo platter, Maybe we combo platter. Gophers Purdue
last night at the Original Bank and Indiana at Oregon
National TV Game. I think it was a two thirty

(02:27):
start out of Eugene. Because one stat stands, I should say,
stood out to me almost immediately. Let me see if
I can find it via the athletic it's a good stat.

(02:49):
It's hard to believe that this in this stat is
related to the Indiana Hoosiers, who, of course a year
ago were kind of mocked and ridiculed for making the
postseason because of the softness of their schedule. What Indiana
was very good at doing last year was crushing everybody
they were supposed to and not so good they when

(03:10):
they played more legitimate I guess you could say competition.
Here's the stat that got my attention, though. Indiana's FBS
opponents so far are twenty two and four against everybody

(03:31):
but Indiana. That's a pretty good stat. Meanwhile, Golden Gophers
two Big Ten victories have come against teams where a
combined conference record of zero and six. What do we
say on this program? What do we say on bumper

(03:51):
to bumper? You never apologize for your victories. You never
apologize for having the opportunity to take advantage of teams
that tend to find ways to lose. But I don't
really know how anyone in their right mind could come
out of what took place yesterday in Oregon and last

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night in Minneapolis and think that those are two programs
or two teams on similar courses. I it's my and
it's mind boggling to say it that.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I have to understand that as much as people.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Have pretty much concluded over the over a period of
decades that this is a really tough place. This Minnesota
a tough place for to build a Big ten football program.
It's a football college football mecca compared to Bloomington, Indiana.

(05:02):
I lived it, I saw it. Obviously. It was everything
was about basketball forever and ever and ever, and football
was played because the program was obligated to put a
team out there.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's the only I mean, that's the only way to
look at it. And to see this kind of a
dramatic turn. Final score yesterday, Indiana thirty Oregon twenty has
to be the greatest regular season program or a victory
in the history of the program.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Given that the Hoosiers had never.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Won a road game against the top five opponent ever
in the history. In fact, we laid out some of
those stats to think on Friday, and you can trast
that with the current condition of the Gophers, who, yes,
they got the victory, and yes you never apologize for winning.

(06:08):
But if it's eye test stuff, isn't that?

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Man?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Does that look like a team University of Minnesota this year?
You know, cap off the lid, let's get delusional. Does
that look like a team that believes its own coach
or believed its own coach when he said that before
the season began. The answer is no, they do not

(06:33):
look like a serious football team or a serious football program.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
And maybe we'll learn more. I think it's Nebraska this week.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Maybe we'll learn more there, Although I still maybe I
should trust Nebraska more than I do. Some people are
this year not sure that I do. But the eight
to nine boys laid it out beautifully. It was an
excellent hour of college football conversation, and I found myself

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as gobsmacked as they did regarding well that the part
of this is not just related to decision making by
the Purdue coaching staff in the history of the national
foot well, this is college football, in the history of
college football. I'm guessing it has happened before. Has a

(07:30):
team ever, a defense ever committed three face mask penalties
on the same scoring drive by their opposed opponent, Because
I'm convinced that if it hasn't happened, the Purdue boiler
Makers will set that record later this year. Last night,
it was two uncanny ability to keep what were dead

(07:55):
and buried. It was a dead and buried gopher and
drive nothing was happening. Speaking of serious and this is
the great irony of it. We've called for the head
coach to loosen up, baby, throw the ball, go out

(08:17):
and win the game.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Don't be afraid.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Will you get the stats up for the box score
for yesterday's go for victory over Purdue and tell me
how many times we threw the ball? The irony right
now is and this is part of why I don't
think it's a serious team right now. They can't run.
They got their number one running back. He does not
look particularly spry to me. The line looks awful. They

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can't run. And again, as much as I appreciate a
quarterback who can throw and a head coach who is
now allowing that to take place, if you're going to
be a serious team, you still have to be able
to do so a boat, do you not?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
And we can't run the ball at all?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
How many times did we throw last night, Drake lindsay
twenty one for forty five forty five passes.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I mean, that's that's the kind of number that customarily
would have PJ. Fleck breaking out in hives. We're gonna
throw it forty five times? You out of your mind?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
So in any case, that's where I start.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
The contrast between two proverbial have not programs couldn't to
me on this Sunday morning, be any more stark, I
don't know how long. Again, I mean, Minnesota under PJ
obviously had success before Signetti ever got there. So the

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two coaches are in different cycles, different periods of their
coaching careers at.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
The Big ten level.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I grant that point, but I defy anybody to say
Indiana has done anything but sees upon what it seemed
to start last year. And I also will defy anybody
to tell me what two year stretch in PJ Fleck's
time come anything anywhere close to what Indiana seemed to

(10:22):
be putting together.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
We kidded about it, I think Friday.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Even earlier, the cap off the jar comments, and I
lauded in the preseason PJ for saying because to me,
what he was saying is why can't we be Indiana
this year? Why can't we?

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
We've got to sound by somewhere why not? And I
think it is the way you have to think of
a Big Ten. We are not going to win a
title with as many teams as you have and no divisions,
so you say, well, let's just try to get ourselves
in the playoff conversation. But the truth of the matter

(11:02):
is the Indiana of twenty twenty five is gonna be Indiana.
They're doing it again, and they're even now with the
victory over Oregon. They're doing it better than they did
a year ago. Now, they could still collapse. They have
road games, I think at Maryland and at Penn State.
I know everybody assumes Penn State's gonna lose every game

(11:23):
the rest of the season on the basis of the
way they've played to this point, but weirder things have happened.
I doubt they're gonna stay this bad. I have no
idea what they're gonna do. But their coaching situation, I
think I heard on Go for Football Sunday that the
coaching buyout.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Is it James Franklin, the head coach.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
It's like it's reported to be somewhere between fifty million
and sixty million. I don't know if that's accurate, But
how do you even possibly do.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
That, even at a place like Penn State. It's obscene, But.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Two completely different levels, and again what links them is
they're both classic have not big ten football programs where
you go, come on, just try to put a cute
little club together. Come on, just try to not be terrible,

(12:25):
and PJ has largely done that. We've talked about that.
PJ has definitely raised the floor, no question the question
going forward. In fact, there was even a great headline
on a star debute story in the preseason about this,
although it wasn't really developed in the piece. I was
disappointed to find out. The question is whether he can

(12:48):
raise how far he can raise the ceiling? Anybody feel
like he's raised the ceiling the way Kurt Signetti has
at Indiana University in two years?

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I mean, you could say that we got close to
it in nineteen, but we didn't win the game we
needed to win that year to really make it good,
a really good season special, and we've not really recovered
from that.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
That had badness, never really recovered from that at all.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
So again the moral is, you never apologize for winning
a game. But if you watched college football Day yesterday
like I did, I even watched a decent amount of
Illinois Wibble's team against the highest state, the eye test
will tell you that's two completely different levels of two

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teams of one Indiana Minnesota and two completely different levels
of college football. It's one team that look like they
are serious about becoming a national threat. A national threat
I can't even believe I'm saying it, and another team
that said, all right, if you're going to be if

(14:00):
our opponent's god have played this sloppily, this stupidly at times,
let's go win the game.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
All right, let's go win the game. And they ultimately
indeed did.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Brat Shawn Brian kfan text line is wide open six
four six eighty six. Lots of good texts already coming in.
Perhaps we will have Brett blakemore fhile live report on
the wild home opener, which did not go particularly well.
Now I didn't see much of it because I was
epoxied largely to Gophers, but we'll get his view on

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what took place after our opening night win five to nil.
We lose at home was the final seven to four
seven five I seven four was the final score there.
So we'll get to some of that. Your texts owe
to a dead gal calendar of calamity. We'll have quite
a grand old time between now and eleven.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
I wonder what.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Boiler Maker wine line will be like today, or was
like last night in Lafayette, Indiana. I don't know what
station they're on. I don't know if they have a
boiler Maker wine line, but my god, it could have
been a doozy last night. Brett Brett Blakemore. I can't

(15:51):
even imagine we lost that game? Aimed him like by
was it like two hundred yards? Had a bunch more
first downs?

Speaker 1 (16:11):
We lost? Shouldn't we have won that game by twenty?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
What? And the whopper was backup quarterback guy, terrific running threat.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
But then they went to hell with the joke. They
had him at a time we were trying to put
the game away. They had him throwing.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Deep patterns to the end zone that he overthrown by
about overthrew by about twenty yards. What are you?

Speaker 1 (16:41):
It's like, what you do?

Speaker 2 (16:42):
You know when you do that, you're so much better
than the opposition and so much in control.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Let's just try some stuff, man, boilet.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Maker wine line last night should have been hopping, if
it indeed.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Exists. A lot of good text are coming in.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
We'll get to some of those in a minute two
hour addition of sermons, no vikings today. As most of
you know by now, we get the week off preparing
for Eagles Week, which we'll start obviously on Monday. We'll
get into some other NFL activity, including your club hosting

(17:21):
the Bengals. Correct, is that an earlier or late start
three twenty five game?

Speaker 1 (17:27):
The spread is fourteen fourteen? I would I think I
would take Green Bay. We didn't.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
We didn't use that game in the prediction segment. We
could have because sometimes the bigger spreads are are interesting
games to pick because it's such a big How often
pro football anymore are fourteen points spreads and often? Did
that go over well with gerbymm? No, it didn't. He
eventually accepted he was too distracted talking about his big
new bed and breakfast in lunch place that he thinks

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is going to change everything. But Pakes, I don't think
you know the people who are well, you know, wouldn't
it be something if who's your who's the Bengals quarterback? Now?
Joe Flacco beats him twice? Well he didn't, really, he didn't. Really,
he wasn't the one who beat you the first time. Right,
That's the stupidity of it makes for good bet, It

(18:14):
makes for a good bet, it does.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
I get that. I think that Cincinnati will get crushed.
You might have You might have ten.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Sacks by the end of this game. That's possible. The
old line for the Bengals against the Vikings was hideous.
Yeah it was so bad, that's true. Yeah they better.
Well is it about how many is your guy, your
new guy from the Cowboys? Has he got to say?
Has he had more than a sack since this first game?
I mean sacks you got for the season, the status,
the solo tackles. But but yeah, there there is. The

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pressures have.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Been good, the sacks have not been But uh, you know,
four year deal, that's true. Uh, we the wild home
opener last night. We got ripped on this show early
by a couple of Texters. Why are you making a
bigger deal about the five nothing opening game victory in
Saint Louis? And it wasn't because it doesn't count. It

(19:04):
was just because long season. This is a team now
that in this show we're going to up the ante
in terms of expectation, and it has to be about
what you do in the postseason. But it didn't look
like it went very well. Was our defense as bad
as the score indicated? Was our goaltending is bad? Was the.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
What happened and why? Yes, so game two. So here's
my read on it. If you're looking for some positives,
you could find them, Okay, I mean the top line
was unbelievable. They scored every single one of the goals.
Go figure. Not a single other line contributed in any
way offensive.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Well, the big discussion via the athletic was line two.
The second line has done nothing so far.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I am old enough to remember complaining about a potential
moose spotting on the second line.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yes, and yes that is you know, well, they're desperate
right now because the injury. I mean, they don't want
them there, correct.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
I mean you can.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Still think there's ways to avoid it, there's other.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I think you have to split up bullying caprice off
at this point you just have to might have to
do the other positive too to take away I mean,
Zeve was really good. The deserve to winnometer on moneypuck
dot Com. Don't know if you're there like an analytical thing. Basically,
with the chances that the Wild generated eighty two percent
of the time they win that game with compared to

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the chances of the Blue Jackets, so there is positives.
But then the defense was just hideous.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
It looked like it looked like they haven't played with
each other and yeah, we're ready to you know, execute
their breakouts properly. Puck was bouncing and just sloppy turnovers
all over the place. It The defensive coverage was brutal
and gus. You know, there were a few goals that
weren't his fault, but there were some that definitely were
that he should have done better on.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Not coming out.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
I think it was the start of the second period
where the Blue Jackets score with in like five seconds
it walk into the zone shoot score right. Just lots
of things to be really disappointed about, and just the effort,
especially in the third period, because it just looked like
they just kind of.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Quit the well. Again.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
The question of the day wild related seems to be
how driven will Bill Gharrin be already because of these
injuries to make a move? Now, what I need help
on is what kind of move can you realistically make?
I would assume it's got to be banned. I mean,
you're not going to be able to add a game

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changing talent at this point, so is it even worth
doing whatever we're talking about? Are there players out there
that they can get this early in the season already
right now, either from another team or that are just
sitting there waiting for an opportunity that haven't even been signed,
that could give you another option to fill in as
we hope for the time when we get healthier again.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
I think that was supposed to be Tarasenka. That was
originally the move was. He was supposed to be your
depth scoring. You know, if you need somebody to produce
and just help out and chip in, that's your guy.
And again two games, it still feels weird seeing him
in wild colors. To be honest, he hasn't been a
wild killer for so long, so you know, I'm not
throwing him out by any means a long way, but

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he's on that second line and you know he's got
to produce as well.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
But he's also on the power play that produced really well.
So it's a given a take with him.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
All right, We'll get to some some texts. Anybody, any
hockey fans want to get in on the on the fun.
There are baseball fans who are reminding us that there
was what's being described as an instant classic. I think
it was Friday night between the Mariners and Tigers. I
believe that game went fifteen innings, and I don't think
we needed Pilanco.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
We didn't need him. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I gave up on the game, but it did sound
like it was a hell of a ball game for
people who watched it. Let me know, I'll be glad
to include that into our discussion. I said this as
just the other day too, that I think it was
with Kumdag, who by the way, the Cubs were eliminated
last night in the in Game five, they lost to
the to Cato Kalin's Brewers. We might try to get

(23:10):
Cato on this week. I'm sure he's in a very
celebratory mood. Although he tends to be a guy that
even as his team wins, he's still ripping them on Twitter.
He tends to be that they take that approach. I
think we're saying that with kum Dog, though. When your
own team is as irrelevant to the postseason as the

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Twins have become, it is harder to lock in on
what else is going on. You know, it feels so
much better if you're in it, even if you don't
advance that far, you're a part of it, because then
I think you tend to pay attention more to the
other series when you're not a factor, when you're not
a part of the fun, and I do tend to

(23:51):
sort of zone out, even though I know for the
hardcore ball guys, I'm sure they paid very close attention
as well. Let me get to a couple of college
football items. Odds that Fleck and his agent do have

(24:12):
the goll and are presently in coils the air about
to raise an extension due to Penn State badly wanting PJ.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
I think zero.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
I think the question that is on the table regarding
that job will obviously be Signetti. That's the elephant in
the room now. I have had Indiana sources tell me
that they literally will not the school literally will not
allow him to leave, that if they have to, they'll

(24:42):
hold him hostage, but that it's just not going to
happen out now part of the Somebody just had a
story within the last week. I think the CBS Sports
had a story indicating that, you know, every school needs
a fat fat at least one fat fat fat can
if any school that's got a billionaire that went to

(25:05):
the school and is interested in athletics, that's gold man.
If you can if you can, you know, mind what
he represents tap into that. And the word now is
that Cuban for the first time and sometime just wrote
a massive check. I don't think it's been determined how
big the check is a check to the football program.

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And the feeling seems to be he's one of those
guys who will do whatever it takes if you got
to redo the contract that you just gave Signetic because
I think he just got one in the off season.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Well did you do that too?

Speaker 2 (25:42):
No, I don't think this is I know we've seen
a lot of contract extensions for PJ. I don't think
anything that to this point the season has happened where
you have to worry about that.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
By the way, first downs due twenty five.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
To the Gopher, seventeen total yards, four fifty six per
due to sixty two Minnesota, and of course the big contrast,
and this is the alarm bell for Minnesota going forward
in this stretch of games in which they're all winnable
and I think three of the four are at home

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Perdue two hundred and fifty three Minnesota thirty. To that end,
let's get to so Minnesota after the Paris picks six.
They take a twenty seven to twenty lead. Correct, we're
up twenty seven to twenty. Purdue gets the ball back

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drives there there. It looks like you maybe getting in
position to potentially tie.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
The ball game.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
And let's see where we got to completion first and
ten nineteen. They've got first intent at the nineteen yard
line at the Minnesota nineteen yard line. Did they run
at all the rest of that drive? No?

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I think.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Let me get to the first and ten from the
nineteen where were we? Yeah, first and ten in complete, pass,
second and ten incomplete, pass third and ten we get
they get five yards and then eventually they get a
seven yard pass to get to the first down. So

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now they got first and goal at the seven. They
did run. Then they used Makabi on the first down
run he got two, but then.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Incomplete and then a penalty.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
It is purdued by the way holding on that play
incomplete another completion to the seventh. The moral of the stories,
you're you're there's one run through this entire stretch and
you're going, what are you doing? They? You still have
to get them to prove because you have one run
where you only get a couple of yards. It doesn't

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mean you give up on the run. That's been your
bread and butter through this entire game. That was another,
I think example of why Boilermaker wine line could have
been red hot last night or earlier today as well.
Let me get to some we got a wide variety

(28:50):
of texts coming in right now. Gophers could not run
the ball that well last year either either Taylor isn't
that great as a pure running back or Fleck has
failed and finding linemen that can run block.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
I've always like Taylor. I don't know what's going on there, I.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Will say when he doesn't look like there's much of
a burst there.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
On the other hand, it doesn't look.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Like he has I mean, it seems like he's getting
hit almost immediately. So to me, it looks like maybe
a little bit of a combination of things going there.
I just don't think it looks like the offensive line
is as good as we have grown accustomed to it
being with a you know, with a legitimate run game.

(29:32):
Where are we here at IOW and at Oregon winnable?
You're starting to sound like PJ delusional. Io barely lost
Indiana and just crushed Wisconsin. Those are two locks in
the L column. That's trail rep. He must be obviously
some of the Gophers there. I've got some baseball ones

(29:55):
I'll hold on to. I have to give you credit,
Dan for spending a big chunk of sermon talking about
you're Indiana club by tying it to the Gophers, Well done,
my friend. Well yeah, I am tying it to the
Gophers because people don't want to hear it, and I
know Gopher Hole doesn't want to hear it. But these are,
you know, traditionally two have not programs. That's the point,

(30:19):
And in all honesty, the link that is one hundred
percent legitimate is I'll ask the question out loud, even
to hardcore Gopher fans. As much as Fleck has been
serviceable to good through most of the program, for most
of the time he's been here, has there ever been

(30:40):
a single time where you feel like he's elevated it
to the place that Signetti has elevated a worst place,
a worst place, a tougher place to win it.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
That's the link.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Obviously they're in different spots, but the link is part
of what I said earlier. What's the ceiling? We know
the floor has been raised that's good. We're not going
back to the Whacker days where you could have complete
seasons where you go, my god, they're abominable. But it's

(31:13):
the idea of Okay, can you jump up to that net,
even if it's one year, can you jump up to
that place where it feels permissible to get delusional because
it sounds it's a good mantra, But you got to
play well enough, I think, to get to that place
where it doesn't feel silly to talk about delusional. Dan

(31:37):
I didn't know we had to apologize for beating Purdue.
When Fleck was hired, he was told, just beat the
Badgers and we will consider the season of success. Badgers
used to be a top twenty five program. I think
the standard has to change. After the Badger's getting killed
against Iowa? Did you watch any of that game? How
bad was that? I mean the finals? Thirty seven? Nothing

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and that was Addison? Was the place empty by the end?
I imagine it was. I was watching the wild Also,
did anybody even bother to do the fourth quarter? What's
the traditional song you do? Jump around? Did anybody even
bother to do? I mean, is can you have your
heart in jump around? With all due respect to Barry Alvarez,
who I know says, don't be a fair weather fan.

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You got to keep going for it. Can anybody with
conviction participate in that wonderful tradition When you're getting destroyed
again by a Big ten opponent at home.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Well, it's one of your biggest rivals, if not your
biggest rival next to the gopherst But don't worry. Barry
Alvarez said that we're spoiled rotten, so and I said
Badger fans are spoiled rotten, which as of late couldn't
be further from the truth.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Peter Popsicle is very groggy this morning while Dan is
picking on our favorite hockey squad. Peter Popsicle had to
hit the bong pretty hard last night during that debacle
at the arena formally called.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
The x.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
DAN.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
There are only so many college football Saturdays a year,
let alone in life. And it was an absolutely beautiful
fall day in Dickeytown when we pulled off the win.
Those cocky boiler Makers learned we're a second half team,
and they learned it the hard way. In Drake we
trust our TB Rose Bowl Guy flim Flam. According to

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Schefty today, is Herschel Walker Trade Day. Unless Minnesota's posted
about this in the last minute, Schefty was first to
report that's from Flimflam. Believe me when I tell you
that Dan Minnesota has scooped Shefty on this being the
most calamitous day in Minnesota sports history, the day the

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infamous Herschel junior Walker trade was made. It's on the
calendar not only of calamity, but of today's program. We
will indeed get to that before we are done. What
else do we have here? What do you think about

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the defensive line for the Gophers along so many rushing yards,
didn't look any did not look particularly impressive for me.
You know, we going back if you want to continue
the link. As much as it annoys Gopher fans, what
stands out about Indiana is they're very good at the

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line of scrimmage and they went into one of the
excuse me, toughest places to play, and that's to me
where they won the game. They had a alleged Heisman
candidate frustrated their quarterback, Oregon's quarterback with tremendous pressure on him.
Just great physicality at the line of scrimmage, and their
offensive line is is quite good as well.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
You know, Indiana did not run particularly as well.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
There have been times under PJ where that's been a
strength line of scrimmage, and it doesn't feel to me
like it's a strength to any meaningful degree on either
side of the ball at this point.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Even after.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Winning our second Big Ten game, I think our current
Big Ten record is above five hundred. Last check two
and one. Let's pause, get caught up, get some more texts,
oh to a dead gal before we're done. Maybe we
stake our claim regarding the Minnesota sports calendar calamity as well.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Don't go.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Sunday sermons brought you by JT. R.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Roofing.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
All right, sermon's back, Barrero and blakemore with you till
eleven today, two hour tour because there is no vikings
to get in the way. Although next week we start
I think a series of noon game. Well, we have
a Thursday night game afterwards, but then I think we
got a bunch of noon games coming up, so we'll
be back to one hour a week from now, in
which we will have a chance to review Gophers Nebraska.

(36:14):
I think that's a will you double check that game?
I think that's a Friday night game, which also would
mean a shortened bumper to bumper program.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Not mistaken, You are correct.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I think we might Friday. Yeah, we might be out
at five o'clock on this Friday show. Nice little perk
for us, nice little well bonus, and you might be in.
I'm assuming because guards you will be preparing from the
sidelines go to football.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I'm out of town really, so you're out of the mix.
Could be a clean up. Maybe they'll have me do both.
You think I could pull that off?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I don't think I could run the spots and all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
I just hit the button in here. You'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Is that all it takes. Don't don't reveal yourself. It
really hard, complicated and cerebral. There's so many buttons over there. Yeah,
I don't know how that. I'm not sure they should
or would trust me. Even if it's just pushing one button,
I'm not even sure I would remember to push it
six or five.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
One guy rights, Dan, am I listening.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
To a Minnesota radio station or Indiana radio station? And
I replied, I think honestly, you're listening to a Minnesota
station using another football program to expose the frailties of
Minnesota's it's legal, and I dare say might even be effective.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
It's just a device.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
So again, I'm not you know me, I don't want
to hurt anybody's feelings, but we're not going to run
from it. It's just kind of silly to run from it.
I think as well, and I think deep down most
people understand it and are willing to take it and
accept it and work with it.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Can you get the sports Calendar Calamity's to.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Minnesota Sports Calendar of Calamity?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
You can argue that the calamity was created for today.
You could certainly make that argument that even if there
weren't a number of other calamitous moments in Minnesota sports history,
that this date October twelve in Minnesota sports history alone
is enough to create the calendar of calamity. Nineteen eighty

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nine was the year. So that's twenty one and twenty five,
forty six years ago, Is that right?

Speaker 1 (38:44):
No?

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Eleven, I can't. I can't even do math anymore. It's
eleven plus twenty five thirty six years ago.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Correct. I was just not in the long Yeah, yeah,
because I'm thinking forty six.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, it doesn't feel like it's been that long, but
thirty six is pretty long anyway. The Vikings and cow
Boys made a deal that will live an infamy, and
I've said it many times. I don't want to run
from it. I lauded the deal in print as the
Snarky one of the snarky columnists the Start Tribune.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I hailed.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
This trade because at the time, the Vikings literally looked
to be a good running back away from being a
legitimate Super Bowl threat. What we didn't really understand the
time the deal. At the time the deal was announced,
we thought it was going to be either you give
up a bunch of players or you give up a

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bunch of draft choices. And ultimately the Vikings did both
the way the deal was actually formed and arranged, in the.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
End, they gave up both.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
And what we also didn't know on that day, or
I didn't understand, was that herschel Walker had played his
best football. Dallas knew he was past his prime, not done,
but well passed his prime. And what I didn't know
is that we would not understand how to use him.

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We tried to use a tailback runner in a two
back set because that was the style of offense that
Burnsey preferred square peg, round hole.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
I mean it may not have mattered, but that added
to the.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Issues and the struggles for Herschel, who never became a factor.
If you recall the first time he touched the ball
he went for, I mean, was it fifty Well, you
can double check the number of yards fifty sixty yards,
lost his shoe and it looked like the myth is
born here. This is going to be one of the
most mythic trades in team history. It turns out to

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be one of the most infamous, and it largely has
been given has been given credit because the draft choices.
We're building the Dallas cow at least the foundation for
the Dallas Cowboys nineteen nineties.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Dynasty.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Jimmy Johnson has talked about it often. Dave Wanstad, who
was on his staff, talked about it often, and it
I don't think there's ever been a trade quite like it,
not just here but anywhere. Because what have we talked

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about when the Caprice off speculation began. If we reached
the point where we were unable to sign him and
actually had to parish the thought think about trading him,
we said, let's remember the Garnet deal. What we remember
about the Gardnet trade was it was probably inevitable by
that point, but that you did not get equal value

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for the star player. No matter how many players you got,
it's always the team that gives up the star is
forced to take a bunch of different entities, some second
line players, maybe a young player who has a chance
to develop but rarely does, and a couple of draft picks.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
You just feel like you got. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
You can get excited about the number, the volume, but
you never really feel like, yeah, but they got the start,
they got the guy. And that's always often the problem
with trading away the one big piece. And what did
we say then was the exception to that rule the

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Vikings Minnesota, because on that day it was perceived that
we got the big piece Herschel junior walker.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
And how'd that work out? Well?

Speaker 2 (42:51):
The Dallas Cowboys became a dynasty. We were never we
didn't you know, we didn't bottom out. We'd have to
be horrible. We had some decent teams there, but we
were really able to do anything with it. And Herschel
never felt comfortable here. We were never all that comfortable
with Herschel. Remember when he became he wanted to become
a bobsledter, and that became an off season controversy. All

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the work he was putting into that ten thousand Was
it ten thousand push ups today he said?

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Or was it one thousand?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I can't remember whatever number he pledged he did, which
no one believed. He came off here as kind of
a con man, although now he's going to be a
US ambassador, I think to the Bahamas disaster. So we
are the one exception of the rule that, well, you
want to be the team that gets the big piece,
because no matter what you're giving up, it's just little pieces. Well,

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the one time that didn't pay off, certainly one of
the times it few times that that was not the
case was when we got allegedly the big piece and
felt utterly and completely violated and betrayed by the time
we completely understood what the deal was. And as the
year played out and as herschel Walker faded into distant memory,

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it's depressing because again, well, the good news is we
don't there's no reason we're going to trade Caprice off,
at least not soon. But you'd like to think that
that was going to be the thing that put us
over the top. And it did not come even close
to to do so. So it is a red letter day,

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October twelfth, nineteen eighty nine, the ultimate calamity on a
Minnesota sports calendar of calamity that is abundant, as most
of you know, especially those of you who listen to
this program. Bratchewan Brian Kafee and text line is open
at six four six eighty six. I wonder how many
in our audience bought a herschel Walker, Jersey Vikings, Jersey

(44:50):
Van and how many of those folks, how many of
those folks still have it as a collector's item of infamy.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Do you burn it? Do you throw it away? Do
you give it to charity?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Do you put it in the steamer trunk where it's
hidden and you don't have to look at it, or
do you still have it prominently.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Placed in your closet.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I'm very curious to know, because I have to believe
there were a lot of them sold when he first
got here. The goodwill was tremendous. Did you find that
first play where he lost his shoe? Were you able
to find it? If not, I was looking at a
like season for seasons. Okay, I'll look, yeah, I'll find.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
It via the Google machine.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
As we prepare for hour number two, Oh to a
dead guy in this case, Oh to a dead gal.
Sad breaking news from yesterday. That'll be a part of
the second hour of the program. I got some NFL
stuff to get to as well before we wrap things
up at eleven today and.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Well we'll mix the match. We will continue to call.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Through a voluminous supply of texts into the bratchew on
Brian Kfean text line six four six eighty six back
in a minute our number two Sunday sermons, Barrero and
blakemore with you till eleven o'clock this morning. Lots to
get to in the second hour, including ode to a
dead Gal, couple of.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
I guess you could say add.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Ons regarding the calamitous day that today is when it
comes to Minnesota sports, the Minnesota sports scene. The day
of the Herschel Walker trade, some of it provided by
Dan Minnesota. The Herschel's first game was a home game

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against the Green Bay Packers, and he gained hundred and
forty eight yards on eighteen carries and help the Vikings
knock off the Packers twenty six to fourteen Metrodome record
crowd on hand sixty two seventy five. To prove the

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point about the frenzy and the buzz, he took the
opening kickoff four yards deep in the end zone. I
shouldn't say opening kickoff. This was after Green Bay had
taken a seven to nothing early lead and they're kicking
off to the Vikings. He takes the ball from four
yards deep in the end zone, goes fifty one yards

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down the right sideline. Unfortunately, there was a holding call,
so the play gets called back.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
On his first.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Play from scrimmage, which was almost thirteen minutes into the game,
he goes off right guard, breaks four tackles on a
forty seven yard run, and the final fifteen he ran
without his right shoe. Mark Murphy was attempting to tackle

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him on that occasion. He kicked the shoe, did herschel
into the air and ran the last fifteen yards of
that play without the shoe. That added, obviously to the drama,
and at the time it was the third longest run
in Walker's three and a half NFL seasons. That's another thing.

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You go, well, God, he should have had a lot
left in the tank three and a half season. I
remember he had played elsewhere outside the National Football League,
the New Jersey Generals, as I recall, but there was
nothing but glee in that building. I'm feeling good about
what I wrote. This is great. He averaged eight point

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two yards that day, became the first player to gain
one hundred yards in his Minnesota debut, and it was nirvana.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
As I said. The problem is it didn't last.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
It ended up being a cruel tease because I'm not
sure he was ever He had a couple other moments,
but I'm not sure he ever had any quite like that.
Dan Minnesota reminds us and this is interesting. Let me
see if I can find it. Did he just send this? Yeah,

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here's the kicker. So the deals consummated in October of
eighty nine. In February nineteen ninety, Mike Lynn, who of
course was the Vikings general manager, and Jimmy Johnson negotiated
a settlement to as when a soda suggests, stop the bleeding.
His point is the Cowboys could have gotten even more

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before the settlement.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
And for the record, the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Sent first and second round picks in nineteen ninety, ninety
one and ninety two, and a third round choice in
ninety two to Dallas as compensation for Herschel Walker absurd
when you think about it in football, the way number
ones and number twos are coveted. When Walker was acquired

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October twelve, the Vikings sent five players and up to
seven conditional picks to the Cowboys. Teams negotiated a settlement
this is in February afterwards, allowing Dallas to keep all
the picks and linebackers Jesse Salomon and David Howard and
cornerback Isaac Colt. In return, the Vikings did receive the

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cowboys nineteen ninety ninety one third round picks and their
nineteen ninety tenth round choice. The Cowboys would have kept
the picks and released the players, with the Vikings getting
nothing in return if general manager Mike Linn had not
agreed to a settlement that amended the trade. So as
bad as it was, it could have been worse as well.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Well.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Darren Nelson was in that deal.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
If you were a call highly successful, even though he
didn't want to remember Disco, Darren didn't want to be here.
Could have had Marcus Allen the whole bit. But it
I had forgotten about the fact that without I don't
know if you want to call it the Cowboys mercy,
it might have actually been worse. And I don't know

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if Jimmy Johnson had any mercy in him where he
felt sorry for Mike Linn because the trade was working
out so well for Dallas and by that point was
viewed as so embarrassing for the Vikings.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
I'm not exactly sure.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
And yes we did mention Hopkins guy reminding us about
the fact that Herschel is now the greatest ambassador of
the Bahamas that the United States has ever had.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Very very true.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Davy six pet two guy reminds us of what we
also explored earlier. Herschel ran a deep eye in college
and with the Cowboys are ignorant coaches put him in
a split back scenario, did not work. He was traded
the next thing and put him back in the deep eye.
He flourished seven yards deep in the I formation. Made

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a huge difference. Yeah, we did talk about that that
you can argue that even if you are willing to
adjust to him a little bit in your offensive style,
that's still too much to give up ultimately. But if
you're even going to consider giving up that much, then

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the least you can do is you say we got
to change, and that's harder in the middle of a season,
but you have to take your best shot at having success.
And I'm still confounded by that decision. I know we
tried to explore that with the Lake great Jerry Burns
in this studio many years ago. I don't know we
got very far. I don't even know if he agree

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to he would necessarily agree to that position, but I
do think that was that didn't help it. I mean,
it reminds me of, to a certain extent, on a
lower level, of the Timberwol's obsession with Joe Smith. It was, well,

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if you're going to be obsessed with a player and
signed into a legal contract, shouldn't he be a a
better player? And b shouldn't you play him? Because there
was one series because of matchup issues. I want to
say it was against the Mavericks.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Where he barely even played, and.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
It was the comeback was, well, it's the way the
Mavericks play. There's bad matchups and going well, then you've
just proven the stupidity of being this obsessed withholding with
signing him and keeping him here. Because any player that
is that specialized. Isn't worth it right, isn't worth all
the issues? So we got that going for us as well.

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If the Vikings could be in the right side of
a Herschel like trade, could Crazy even make good on
all those picks, Doctor Phil, that's a cheap shot.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Come on, man, doctor Phil. From Saint Michael.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, I mean there's some still questions about our drafting,
not so much maybe about our free agency acquisitions, although
you know, we're a long way from complete evaluation of
the changes that looked really good in this offseason.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
I will agree on that.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Dan was it Ralph, John Fritz or Mark Rose that
the host of the Herschel Walker Show don't forget Herschel
was the first athlete to talk to the third person.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
I don't know if that's ever been researched, but it
felt like something that became pretty common over the years,
an athlete talking about himself in the third person. As
I recalled Herschel as one of the first individuals to
do exactly that. Do you remember the first Herschel news
conference classic Sid versus Rob Lear's shoutethon, I don't remember that.

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That's from two to one to four, Guy but it
wouldn't surprise me, and if I think about it, it
probably would come back to me as well. It's not
the hand your dealt, Dan, it's how you play the cards.
We got the big piece in Herschel and didn't change
how we played. Yeah, now established the Cowboys got those picks,
but they still to make good ones.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
That's true too. You got to make the right choices,
which they did as well.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Somebody has suggested that there's no chance anyone who bought
a Herschel Walker Jersey still owns it, that the hurt
would be so dramatic that there's no chance to any
They're probably right about that.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Let's come back and get to owe to a dead gal.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Sad news from the movie world that broke yesterday's program
as well.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Keep the text coming.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
I do want to talk some Vikings, even though because
we're on the are we not on the eve of
Eagles Week? It's a big week for your club. Eagles
look vulnerable. Can the Vikings take advantage of it? And
with which quarterback do they have the better chance to
take advantage of the Eagles issues?

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Stay tuned, and now it's time for ode to a

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dead guy.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
News breaking yesterday that Diane Keaton has passed away at
the age believe of seventy nine years old. There's not
been much written about any particular health issues in her case,
although according to a couple of the pieces I've read,

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her health did take a fairly sudden decline. She decided
to stay very private about what that was about, and
I think those around her clung to that idea as well,
and she will, of course forever. I think for a
lot of people be known as Annie Hall. That role

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you could say, in the Woody Allen film in which
she is, of course the title character, kind of changed everything.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
For her.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
And it's a terrific role. It's a very good relationships movie.
Understand You know, all of Woody Allen's films are in
the view of many people looked at in a different
light because of a number of the accusations against him.

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But there's not any question that that sort of changed
everything for her. It did not, as the cliche goes,
define her, and there are you know, the breadth of
a movie stars career or accomplishment is often about the

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variety of roles that they play. We go, no, I
picked this one. I mean, you can have some really
good debates breaking out about well, this is my favorite
Diane Keaton roll, And it's a long list, depending on
perhaps what kind of movies you like, what kind of
characters you like here playing, and how much you want

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the lighter comedy stuff, how much you might like something
a little more serious, how much you make your decision
on the basis of who she is starring opposite, you know,
including Jack Nicholson, including Patchino in Godfather. I mentioned yesterday

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via the X Machine that the movie that I will
when I hear the name dian Dian Keaton as much
as again it's it's Annie Hall. The movie I think
of and I'm triggered to think of immediately is one
that I'm not sure a lot of people think of first,
because it's a not a particularly successful film when it

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came out to the theaters, very long movie, you know,
a circuitous film, and the subject matter didn't interest a
lot of people. It was about an American comedy who
wrote a book about the called Reds. I think it's

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one of the greatest movies ever made. She gotta be
in the You gotta hold in on it. As I said,
it's long, the cast is tremendous. We'll get to that
in a minute. And her level of power in that
movie I think changed the film as good as Warren
Baty is, and he also he starred and directed in

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the movie. I thought she was the straw that stirred
the drink of that film. And in that movie, she
plays a suffragist named Louise Bryant, I should say, And
ultimately Louise Bryant meets up with John Reid, the journalist
that the movie is built around, and they end up

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becoming romantically involved. He follows her back to New York.
I think she had been in Portland, Oregon at the time.
She was married at the time, believe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
So the story is about their years together, the Russian Revolution,
the unusual nature of an American being in the middle
of that, being an avowed communist, the whole bit. And again,
you know, Annie Hall, she plays kind of a kind
of the ditsy character right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
And did it very very well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
But that's not what she was, and certainly to me,
she I liked her better when she played in more
serious roles. Don't mind the comedy, but I just thought
this movie she was special. It just had so much
force in this film and played off of Warren Beatty,
I think beautifully. So if it's a movie you've never

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seen and you're into Diane Keaton, I'd consider it, you know,
if you're trying to pay a tribute. Obviously, there are
a million other films that are lighter and that are
effective and that they're well done. I'll give you another
serious one that doesn't get very much attention.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
At all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
In fact, I don't even know how easy it is
to find it at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
And it was based on a book.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
By I guess actually I don't remember the name who
wrote the book, but the book was called it was
a bestseller in the late seventies called Looking for Mister Goodbar.
And she plays a very what's the word stressed school

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teacher in this film, and it follows her enjoying the
night life, her being single, she's in the middle of
a lot of one night stands in New York. The
soundtrack is actually quite brilliant, but it's a very tough
movie and a very sobering film as well. But it's

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another example of a completely You watch that movie and
you'd say, well, that's that. Don't even that's not Anie Hall.
You kidding, but that's what I love about her. That
showed to me how versatile she could be, how powerful
she could be in very very different roles, and how
she could dominate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
The screen to the degree that that she did.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
She played opposite Steve Martin and Father of the Bride
that remake in nineteen ninety one. She's obviously in a
bunch of Woody Allen films as.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
As well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
She received the twenty seventeen the Lifetime Achievment Award from
the American Film Institute and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Played opposite Jack Nicholson in it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Terrific you could say, I mean comedy with some serious
relationship issues played out through that film as well. Just
a great, great career and I think again seventy nine,
But I think part of the shock is there was
no indication that she was ill, you know, that that
she was struggling, that she was battling anything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Baby Boom.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
She was in that film Something's Got to Give, I believe,
was the movie with Nicholson, which I thought was excellent,
and the list kind of goes on and on. Her
last role on screen was in something called Summer Camp
twenty twenty four. I didn't see I think Kathy Bates
was in that film as well, and the tributes have

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come in where, you know, from all over the place,
as one might expect. I think also beyond the movie stuff,
she was viewed to someone who had her own clothing style,
so just you know, to a large extent, and just
had an air about her, a presence about her that

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was extremely unique. In fact, I think for Reds she
was nominated for an Oscar. I don't think she won
for Reds. I think she was nominated for an Oscar
on that occasion, that movie, I believe. I'm pretty sure
it's over three hours. If she won the Academy Award

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in the nineteen seventy seven film Annie Hall, she had
obviously been involved with. She got involved, I think with
Woody Allen earlier. By that point. I don't think they
were still involved. I'm not sure. But she also, as
I said, was nominated for Reds, nominated for Something's Got
to Give and Marvin's Room as well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
They also have in the resume that you're in the
god the original Godfather movie. So just a marvelous career
if you have your own recollections of her career hit
the text line the bratch on Brian Kfe and text
line at number six four six eighty six. We will
make our final segment of today's two hour addition to sermons,
very much a combo platter, thirty minutes. I do want

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to touch upon some pro football. We may circle back
to some college football as well and touch on a
couple of other controversies, but keep the text.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Coming as well, and we'll include you in the conversation.
State Tuo.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Ill assume we have a lot of football the rest
of the day here on our flagship FM one hundred and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Point three the fan basically the rest of the way. Yeah,
that's outstanding.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
I don't think it's an outstanding array of games. If
there's a few that interest me, any NFC North game
interests me. That includes your club with an opportunity to
batter the Cincinnati Bengals you mentioned, and that's a three
twenty five game. Lions are the Lions tonight or tomorrow night,
at least Sunday night football night footballs against the Chiefs. Yeah,
that's a nice little matchup. Bears are Monday night, do

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they have they have the rematch against the Washington you
know the year it's almost like the schedule maker said, well,
we have to we have to milk that disaster that
finish the hail Mary and the Bears defensive back frolicking
with fans in the stands as the play has started.
You can't You still can't make that up. I'm pretty sure. Yeah,

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it's a rematch for the Bears against against Washington, and
then the Eagles week will indeed begin. In fact, I
want to start this second with a Vikings related text, Dan,
could the issue of McCarthy holding out of the ball
too long have been corrected with more play in the
preseason and as the reluctance of teams to play starts
in the preseason giving us two or more weeks of

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inferior football.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
That's mcgobol.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
That's a from of mcbowboll hashtag mcbobo on the latter,
I don't think there's any question that it's impacting the
starts of the season. Now. You can still argue that
there's too much to lose playing main guys in the
preseason and that that's so. The trade office is one

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that you just have to accept. But if you're asking
me to answer the question objectively, absolutely, I think it
has an impact on how many teams start the season.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Just the quality of play doesn't mean you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Can't have exciting games, doesn't mean you can't have close games,
because we've had a lot of those. Can doesn't mean
we can have a lot of great comebacks, which we've had.
But I do think it has some impact. And in
this case, I absolutely believe McCarthy should have played more
in the preseason one hundred percent. And I again know

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why they didn't, but and I know they think we
saw enough in practice, he got enough of the reps
that felt like a game that that's that was enough
for what we wanted to do. I don't buy it,
And I think, what if it's obvious that the more
experienced a player is, the easier it is to say
we're not playing him in the preseason just because of

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the built inequity we have with that player, the experience
that he has had, et cetera. But to me, when
a player is as young as McCarthy is and as
young as he looked, that's screaming to me, just reps
throwing them back out there, albeit accepting the risk, which is, well,

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wait a minute, season ended in preseason last year. Do
we really want do we do we really want to
risk that possibility again, I'd say yes, I'd say you
have to, You almost have to roll the dice.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
If I'm in the minority on that anymore, but I
certainly was at at one point. Dan correct me if
I'm wrong. This is a six to one to two guy.
But I remember the Herschel trade as a bunch of
players and a few picks for Walker. The players were
started for the Vikings, Nelson, Isaac Holt. I think Jesse

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Solomon was in that deal as well. The fleecing was
that the players were attached to picks. If Dallas kept
the players, the Vikings kept the picks. The Vikings incorrectly
naively assumed Dallas would keep some of the players.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Ding, Ding Ding. That's exactly it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
The assumption was Dallas needed players, and these guys were
good enough players, even if they weren't great players, that
they weren't just gonna be that willing to get rid
of the players to get the draft picks. That was
the miscalculation from Mike Linn from the beginning, because what

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Dallas said was none of the we're not close, none
of these players are going to be part of our
big jump, and we have enough faith in ourselves in
terms of our scouts and our drafting capabilities that we
want the purity of having these picks. That's one hundred

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percent true. Tom from Columbia Heights. I'd say that the
Deshaun Watson trade was worse than the Walker trade given
the embarrassment of his own actions, and then Houston did
not capitalize with those picks. It's certainly in the in
the ballpark, and it's certainly a little bit, you know,
more recent, but it's certainly part of the discussion for sure.

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One other thing I wanted to look up here is
we keep some some techs coming in that I'm trying
to mixing. I'm going to try to mix and match with.
But before we do that, let me get to a
couple more well pro football the There is another Europe game,
another London game, and the Jets have taken the lead

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eleven ten over Denver.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Did I was it a safety? Did I miss it?
So here's what happened? Okay, so it was a safety.
So bon Nicks they're backed up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Yes, I throws a pass, but there was an offensive
holding and there was also an eligible man down field.
I believe okay Oh reported in eligible offensive holding enforced
in the end zones. I don't think I've ever seen
that a penalty in the end zone. That basically is like, well,
that's a safety. Well I thought so he was never
tackled in the end zone. Well no, But if there's

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whole holding in the end zone, is a safety? Did
you say?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Yes? Yeah, that's that's the key to it. Yeah. So
if you that's the whole point.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
The presumption is the whole way got prevented the safety.
So the tie in that sense goes to the defense. Now,
did I see who I thought I saw down the
ball on the punt from the one or two yard line?
Did you notice who I was responsible for that?

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Go on?

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Is Wong Wu? I never know how to pronounce the name.
Wasn't he with us? He was? Or did they had?
Is there more than one Wong Wool?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Because I thought I saw Wong Woo for the Jets
jet down there to get in position to down the ball?

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Is he with them? We check their roster, that's who
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
We didn't need them. We didn't need him, did we, Funny?
And that's that's the right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Now, that's the and the Jets are as. I recall
Winless going into this game.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Among the players the the Cowboys drafted or had access
to in no small measure because of the picks they
acquired in the Herschel Walker deal, em It Smith, Russell Maryland,
Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
That's a team right there. Think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
That's a big part of it too, bookseller guy reminding me,
and how could I forget? It's a great, great callback,
outstanding callback. Another film that is rarely discussed in the
Diane Keaton career is a film in which she starred
opposite the outstanding actor Albert Finnie called Shoot the Moon,

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directed by Alan Parker, and it is they are married
couple Finny and Keaton who are struggling in their marriage,
and it sort of follows that arc. I guess you
would say, another film in which you have to be

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in the mood to watch it because it's tough, it's
unforgiving and very very unsparing, and again doesn't really make
all that much, doesn't get that much attention at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Shoot the Moon. Here's another thing I thought. I always
thought Keaton.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Was so big in her stay in her well or
she did actually start in the stage, but in her
movie presence that she didn't get overshadowed by the male lead.
And this is another movie where she didn't. She more
than held her own in many and you know, often,
especially going back years, these movies feel like they're more

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for a device for the male lead.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
And I think the proof.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Of her power as an actress or as an actor
is I never felt like ever that she was overshadowed,
and if anything, occasionally that the male lead was overshadowed
by the power of her performance.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
That's a very good, very good callback.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Hard to believe that Keaton was only twenty six years
old when she was in the first Godfather played her
characters of the unique maturity, a trait I think held
true throughout her early roles. Missed the first hour. This
is from Lynnwood Township guy, Honey do List. I'm formerly

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Southside Chicago guy. I love your shows. Congratulations and Hoosiers.
Enjoyed that game. Watched all along rooting for the proverbial
underdog Indiana team. That may be the ending of that label, however,
enjoy another topic. Go for a running game. I'm scared.
I look forward to your guests and how they think
it can return. I've changed over to every Minnesota team
except for my beloved Bears. Years of caring how many

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yards number forty or thirty four got was all we had.
He's talking of course about Gail Series or Sayers or
Walter Payton, please revenge Washington and they sad hail Mary,
as you have just mentioned. Well, he's touched on a
lot of stuff there. And yeah, we talked about the
Gopher victory. It was a victory. It was not a loss,

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even if it felt more once again as if Purdue
refused to win the game a series of almost unspeakable
decision making.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Not to mention some I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Somebody needs to count up for me the number of
dropped passes by h Purdue receivers. I think it approached
double digits. I'm not sure I've ever seen a game.
And you know what bugs me. On the broadcast, the
TV broadcast, if there's a defensive back in the area,
they'll say, and the pass was broken up, No, it
went through the receiver's hands. Then then he got knocked

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down by a defender.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
But that's not a breakup.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
That's I was close, and fortunately he dropped the ball
and we saw a lot of that with Purdue yesterday.
So some of it had to do with execution, it
had to do with coaches decision making, including the curious
decision to go away from a running game that was dominating.
Because Purdue had the dominating running game and we've had
we've got no running game. I still believe, as much

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as I like the QB, as much as I like
the quarter, the head coach's willingness to throw more, you
are looking for a balance, and the Minnesota ground game
has become nonexistent at this point. I don't think that sustainable,
even maybe as soon as the Friday night game against

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the Nebraska Cornhuskers. In fact, if we look at let
me see if I can get quickly the uh the
Gophers schedule up, because we've talked about the fact that
this is the this is the soft middle of the
schedule in which they've got a great opportunity to I've
got it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
You ready, you got it?

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Yeah, so we got We're hosting Nebraska Friday night.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Then what correct?

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Then you go to Iowa, Okay, Then you go you
host Michigan State.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Okay, that's those are both winnable. Then comes a trip
to Oregon. Yeah, that's less winnable. I'd say considerably less,
notwithstanding if you got an Indiana's head coach and team.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
But go ahead, Yep, you have go to the high
school stadium on Lake Michigan to play Northwestern. Yeah, and
then you host Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Okay, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
So again the rest of the season, obviously, you have
one game where you're gonna be prohibitive favorite underdogs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
That's the that's Oregon. One would assume the rest of them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
You probably won't be favorite in all of them, but
you you have a chance to win them. Nebraska did Nebraska?
Just what do Nebraska do Saturday? What do the Cornhuskers do?

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Good question?

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
I haven't I'm surprised. I haven't heard from any Nebraska fans.
We usually hear from them. They beat Maryland thirty four
to thirty one. Okay, oh, Barnburner. I didn't get to
see any of that game because I was a poxyed.
I think that might have been the same time as
as the Hoosiers. Oh, that's the other thing. As much
as I really hate turning this into hoo's your hotline.
So Indiana is up twenty thirteen, right, They're in position

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at least that they're not going to get embarrassed like
they were a couple times last year when they played
better teams, although even in one of those games it
was not all that much of a blow out until
they botched a punt.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
But they're playing like they belong.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
And their quarterback gives up a pick six, bad throw
undercut nicely by the defensive back. Place goes nuts. New
ball game, second half, and you figure it's now twenty
twenty and Oregon's going to do what Oregon's supposed to
do and Indiana is going to receipd a little bit, right,
I mean, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
They're kind of done.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
And what they do this, to me, this is the
greatest sign you've got something legitimate going on in Bloomington, Indiana.
They took the ball right down the field, not for three,
but for a touchdown. That to me was indicative of well,
they're serious. These guys are this is a serious program

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right now. No one's could possibly have seen it coming,
not to this degree, even after they had the success
last year. I think it was it's cute, that's nice,
but they're gonna fall right back down and they've done
nothing of the sort, they've actually improved upon what they
appeared to be a year ago, winning in a very
difficult place to win. I think I think Ohio State

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win and they're lost to them last year, if I'm
not mistaken, even though they ended up with a national championship,
that was the sign and really they continued to move
the ball throughout the second half of that game and
indeed to win it. So for the Gophers, they're in
a stretch where if you're gonna make anything out of
this season, beating two teams with a combined Big Ten

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record of oz to six, that's Rutgers, and who do
we lose to Purdue? Yeah last or beat Purdue last night.
That's not gonna you play who's in front of you.
But winning those two games as an eye test, and
it's just as a sign of okay, So where is
this program at this year that ain't gonna get it done?

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Does Friday have the kind of opportunity to maybe to
take it to the next step at least a little bit.
It's not like beating Oregon. At Oregon that would be
a big step, but it at least gives you a
little bit more to draw on as well. I'm on
record as we start Eagles Week will start officially tomorrow,

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of saying that I think Wenz should be the starting
quarterback a week from today high noon. Not me saying
he's going to play the Eagles and be great. Not
me saying that he should be the Viking starter for
the rest of the season. It's me looking at the
current landscape, which is I think what most coaches do.

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Even though we want to play the kid and we
want to get to it, we can't wait circumstances. It's
not my fault, it's not Carson Wentz's fault, it's not
Koc's fault that McCarthy can't stay healthy, and it's not
an indictment of him that he can't stay healthy. But
availability always factors into decision making. It changes decisions, and

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it should on occasion change decisions. Things get in the
way of whatever your best laid plans are, and I so,
in my view, Wentz should start now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
There are a lot of people covering this team.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
We think that if McCarthy's healthy, he's going to start,
but we'll see, And I get the issue. If the
Viking start Wentz, he plays well enough to win, then
you have to play him against the Chargers, and then
you're back to Now we're getting to you know, we're
gonna get the halfway through the season. We haven't seen McCarthy.

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It's supposed to be all about this supposed to be
the year of the McCarthy. Well not again, not my fault.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
He got hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
I had a couple of people in Texas late last week.
You know the rule, you're a starter. You don't lose
your job when you're injured. Yeah, you can, and you
often do, especially when the individual involved has not really
established himself. If you've got Peyton Manning in his prime,
or you've got Joe Montana, yeah, there's a good chance

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that you're gonna hang on to that job while you
get hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
I just don't think enough has happened yet for j mac.
But we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
The other X factor is could they use the vikings
if they want to make a change, use the Wentz
shoulder as part of the reason it's just left shoulder.
But we haven't really had an update on all. Right, medically,
is it anything, you know, is this something they're gonna
have to treat, Is it something that could develop into,
you know, something more serious? I'm assuming we'll get answers

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to all those quick questions once the UH week starts. Also,
your club, as I mentioned, great opportunity to whip up on.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
The Bengals. You're due you, you're so you've got in
your last two weeks you tied and lost.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Correct that that is correct much to your all because
of special team is basically I mean, you're not going
to go that far, but it a lot of it
is largely right. I mean the block field goal, despite
the offense being terrible against Cleveland, they kicked make that
field goal and just block the rushers.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Normally they win that game.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
So and then Dallas too, they're terrible as well, but
Dallas defensively they stunk Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Offensively, we stunk. So hopefully they sync up today.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Whoever is starting on the offensive line of defense line
seem to be more important A quarterback, I'm fine with
either QB. Yeah, Well, that there's I mean, we're not
handling the run. You know, you could say college or
pro level. We're not handling the run very well. Along
the defensive lines and offensive line has very much been
a work in progress for the Vikings and the offensive

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line in terms of at least running the ball for
the golfers has been a disaster. Used to be the
kind of these strength.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Of the team.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Is it not slightly hypocritical to talk about how he
needs more reps and playing preseason games with then I
am reps from getting back in there now, not try
to be argumentative, just saying, well, no, I don't think
it's hypocritical, because I think the answer speaks for itself.
He's answered his own question. There's nothing to lose in
the preseason. There is now something to lose. You have

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to decide, is there is it too much to lose
if you have another quarterback who's functioning and you want
to ride that out a little bit when you have
the guy who you've wanted to turn this thing over
from the beginning, JJ McCarthy still trying to come back

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from injury. So no, I don't think there's any hypocrisy
there at all. Now there is a catch twenty two
eventually that the only way McCarthy gets better is to
play in a regular season. But I'll say, for about
the plenty of time since the summer, the tricky part
of threading the needle all along was building a veteran

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old in some cases roster and trying to meld that
with basically a first year quarterback playing in his second year.
You're kind of asking for trouble because it seems to
be sending two different messages. And that's what makes That's
what I think also opens the door. Wentz could be
terrible against the Eagles, or he may not play.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
McCarthy may be great.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Against the Eagles, and then the story's done, probably for
all intents and purposes for the upcoming season. So we'll
have to see how that plays out. That is the
beauty of the National Football League. It'st the adventure. It's
watching the story play itself out, the sequencing, the twists
and the turns. And we love each and every minute,

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each and every twist and turn for sure. Thank you
for watching, Thank you indeed for listening. Great text today.
I'm back with guards the beginning at three o'clock on
tomorrow's show, All NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
The rest of the day, All NFL. Here we go standing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
We'll talk to you tomorrow three