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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Full Metal Jackie. How are that's right?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm great.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
That's a badass name. Full metal Jackie is awesome. How
do you pronounce your your last name?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Kaiser?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Kaiser? See I would have never gotten that right.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
But full now it felts crazy.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Full Metal Jackie is bad ass and it's full metal
Jackie certified the fifty most influential heavy metal songs of
the eighties. That's my decade, Jackie. You look like you
were born and did in the early nineties. That might
even be in something. I don't know. What do you
know about the eighties?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, I had an older sibling that introduced me to
the good, good music of the eighties, so I might
have been born a little too late for it. But
I am definitely a huge, huge fan and I grew
up on all that music.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, you're throwing down the names. You got dan Zig
in there. I haven't heard that name in a while.
I'm a huge do O fan myself. Deal is from
one of the rare ones who he was able to
get fairly commercial too. I love that song, like Hungry
for Heaven, which song of Dio's has made the list.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Children of the Sea in Heaven and hell Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's metal. That's metal for you. Yeah, did you have
did you think artists? Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And also rock and Roll Children, Sorry I forgot also
rock and Roll Children.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Okay, Jack, So rock and Roll Children to me, I
mean that was like a single that was that's commercial.
That's it's interesting you you would call that heavy metal.
I mean I do too, but it was you know,
it had the video and there's a little poppier for
lack of a better word, I would say.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, well, you know, I mean, look, this this book
was not about you know, sort of ranking songs. It
was more about understanding them, you know, straight from the
artists who wrote them. And I think it's safe to
say that, you know, the eighties was you know, very
important time for metal, and I think a lot of
(02:04):
bands were sort of misunderstood maybe by the way that
they looked and by the artwork and you know, their
their you know, their albums and stuff. But I think
the purpose of this, and my reason for doing this
is because I've I've been very much lyrics are very
important to me because I've been doing my show for
(02:25):
a long time and I had to sort of create
edits of some of these songs because the ones you mentioned.
Some of them were singles, but a lot of them weren't.
So a lot of the songs I played on my show,
I had to create my own edits because labels never
made you know, clean edits for them, because they were
never meant for radio. And when I did that, I
really really analyzed the lyrics that I realized we've been
(02:45):
singing a lot of these songs wrong over the years. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, that's that's tough work too. That nothing gets to
me more than a bad edit, especially on a song
that I love so much, and it's like you just
took out a crucial bridge or even more crucial. Yeah. Wow,
that's a necessity. But I interviewed a lot of these
guys long before I got into radio. I was covering
(03:09):
I was covering metal for Cream, for Circus magazine, for
a Parade, or I had great interviews back in the
day with with Ozzie, with Rob Halford. What you got, though,
it seems, is the insight, the inspiration behind like the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, and a lot of times like where the stories happened,
like what brought it? You know, where they were when
those lyrics, you know, came to them And that's why
I you know, like I said, there's a lot of
misconceptions about a lot of music that we are fans
of and that are you know, classic songs for us,
and we might not know the true history. So I thought,
go write, just go straight to the sourt.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I love it well. Halford is always kind of mocking
us now as you think that song is about Rocks,
but it's not about you know, He's always kind of
implying that all these years we've had the lyrics wrong.
What's one song that comes right to mind, Like, yeah,
that's not about that at all. This is what it's about.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Off the top of my head, I mean, first of all.
And you gotta love Rob Halford for the tongue in
cheek way. He sort of like message with people, but
in a very lovely way. But you know, there are
so many amazing interviews that I got to do, and
and you know, I really feel like anyone who's a
fan of the genre is going to really enjoy hearing
(04:31):
some of the stories, many that were just really never
told before from the actual lyricists of for all of
our you know a lot of our favorite songs from
such an important time and metal, Yeah, but what you know,
if you ask me, like if I you know, I
definitely had a few surprises when doing these interviews, but
(04:55):
I think, you know, one of the biggest surprise for
me is just sort of how intentional a lot of
these lyrics were. You know, metal gets dismissed as it
sure does, sort of loud and aggressive, but when you
talk to the writers, you really realize how much thought
and frustration, you know, it was politics and real life
(05:15):
went into these songs. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I mean when we lost The Prince of Darkness this
past year, I watched as so many people realized the
lyrics were. You know, the lyrics were brilliant. Crazy train. Yeah,
it's an anthem and it is good party tune read
the lyrics Airs of a Cold War. That's what we've become,
you know. I mean, he's a hell of h lyrisists.
(05:39):
So you're exactly right. What about ac DC, though, I mean,
I love ac DC, and I'm hoping to see them
this year, but and I don't want to say I'm
dismissive of the But like back in Black you said
I got the best story there. I always felt like
they were just it was more about fist waving what,
you know, what worked worked. I never really read into
(06:03):
an ac DC song before it was all in the time.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I think that not everyone wants to you know, not
everyone when you're just rocking out and fists in the air.
You know, I don't know that you're always thinking about
specifically what the song is about. I think there's a
time and a place, right, I mean, I think that's
some of the biggest songs that you know, everyone is
chanting to at you know, venues when we're seeing shows
(06:26):
or whatever. Sometimes I bet some of these guys are
laughing because we're all like, yeah, party, were ready, and
you know, the songs could be about something truly dark
and terrific totally. But that's what makes these artists great
at what they do is turning, you know, whether it's
pain or heartache into something that might mean something else
(06:48):
to the listener. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Well, and two of the artists we've already mentioned a
couple of times got called out on the carpet a
lot about that. You know, Halford was brought I think
in front of Congress about one of his songs. Ozzie
was always explaining suicide solution. You know, he always had
to explain that way, you got a favorite Jack And
again we are on with full Metal jack. It's Full
(07:11):
Metal Jackie certified to the fifty most influential heavy metal
songs of the eighties and the true stories behind their lyrics.
Do you have a favorite band, favorite.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Song in the book or in life?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I want in life, job I want in life.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I would say one of my favorite bands of all
time would be Typo Negative. I don't know if you
are familiar.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I interviewed them back in the day, Jack, But that's
a little bit harder than I usually go. But that
tells me, it does, It tells me a lot about you.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'm also I'm from New York, so Typo Negative was
from Brooklyn, so I got I was lucky enough to
get to see them quite a few times. And you know,
I would actually see Peter Steele at shows when we'd
be out and about, which you know, was amazing. That
guy was like an evil comic book character, like super tall, thin, long,
(08:06):
black hair, and he had this deep, scary voice, but
he was hilarious and you know that Brooklyn sense of humor. Ye,
but yeah, Typo would be my favorite. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Well, I can't wait to check the book out. So
great that you you got to do. It had to
be tough to come up with fifty. Some had to
hit the floor. No, it's probably going to be a
part two.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know. It was definitely difficult to narrow down the list,
but the list is really just a framework. The real
point was, you know, influence, you know, cultural, lyrical, emotional,
you know, these songs shaped how metal spoke to people.
And that's what I was trying to, you know, relay in.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
This book and I love it too. Earlier today they
sent me, Hey, just so you know, it's full Metal
Jackie on Instagram and on x on Facebook though it's
full Metal Jackie six six six. I thought that's awesome,
for it was a holy number. The number was six
hundred and sixty six. Tremendous, jack I wish you to
(09:06):
the best of luck and I can't wait to read
the book.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Thank you so much for your time, So you
Full Metal Jackie. How are that's right?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm great.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
That's a badass name. Full metal Jackie is awesome. How
do you pronounce your your last name?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Kaiser?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Kaiser? See I would have never gotten that right.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
But full now it felts crazy.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Full Metal Jackie is bad ass and it's full metal
Jackie certified the fifty most influential heavy metal songs of
the eighties. That's my decade, Jackie. You look like you
were born and did in the early nineties. That might
even be in something. I don't know. What do you
know about the eighties?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, I had an older sibling that introduced me to
the good, good music of the eighties, so I might
have been born a little too late for it. But
I am definitely a huge, huge fan and I grew
up on all that music.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, you're throwing down the names. You got dan Zig
in there. I haven't heard that name in a while.
I'm a huge do O fan myself. Deal is from
one of the rare ones who he was able to
get fairly commercial too. I love that song, like Hungry
for Heaven, which song of Dio's has made the list.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Children of the Sea in Heaven and hell Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's metal. That's metal for you. Yeah, did you have
did you think artists? Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And also rock and Roll Children, Sorry I forgot also
rock and Roll Children.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Okay, Jack, So rock and Roll Children to me, I
mean that was like a single that was that's commercial.
That's it's interesting you you would call that heavy metal.
I mean I do too, but it was you know,
it had the video and there's a little poppier for
lack of a better word, I would say.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, well, you know, I mean, look, this this book
was not about you know, sort of ranking songs. It
was more about understanding them, you know, straight from the
artists who wrote them. And I think it's safe to
say that, you know, the eighties was you know, very
important time for metal, and I think a lot of
(02:04):
bands were sort of misunderstood maybe by the way that
they looked and by the artwork and you know, their
their you know, their albums and stuff. But I think
the purpose of this, and my reason for doing this
is because I've I've been very much lyrics are very
important to me because I've been doing my show for
(02:25):
a long time and I had to sort of create
edits of some of these songs because the ones you mentioned.
Some of them were singles, but a lot of them weren't.
So a lot of the songs I played on my show,
I had to create my own edits because labels never
made you know, clean edits for them, because they were
never meant for radio. And when I did that, I
really really analyzed the lyrics that I realized we've been
(02:45):
singing a lot of these songs wrong over the years. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, that's that's tough work too. That nothing gets to
me more than a bad edit, especially on a song
that I love so much, and it's like you just
took out a crucial bridge or even more crucial. Yeah. Wow,
that's a necessity. But I interviewed a lot of these
guys long before I got into radio. I was covering
(03:09):
I was covering metal for Cream, for Circus magazine, for
a Parade, or I had great interviews back in the
day with with Ozzie, with Rob Halford. What you got, though,
it seems, is the insight, the inspiration behind like the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, and a lot of times like where the stories happened,
like what brought it? You know, where they were when
those lyrics, you know, came to them And that's why
I you know, like I said, there's a lot of
misconceptions about a lot of music that we are fans
of and that are you know, classic songs for us,
and we might not know the true history. So I thought,
go write, just go straight to the sourt.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I love it well. Halford is always kind of mocking
us now as you think that song is about Rocks,
but it's not about you know, He's always kind of
implying that all these years we've had the lyrics wrong.
What's one song that comes right to mind, Like, yeah,
that's not about that at all. This is what it's about.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Off the top of my head, I mean, first of all.
And you gotta love Rob Halford for the tongue in
cheek way. He sort of like message with people, but
in a very lovely way. But you know, there are
so many amazing interviews that I got to do, and
and you know, I really feel like anyone who's a
fan of the genre is going to really enjoy hearing
(04:31):
some of the stories, many that were just really never
told before from the actual lyricists of for all of
our you know a lot of our favorite songs from
such an important time and metal, Yeah, but what you know,
if you ask me, like if I you know, I
definitely had a few surprises when doing these interviews, but
(04:55):
I think, you know, one of the biggest surprise for
me is just sort of how intentional a lot of
these lyrics were. You know, metal gets dismissed as it
sure does, sort of loud and aggressive, but when you
talk to the writers, you really realize how much thought
and frustration, you know, it was politics and real life
(05:15):
went into these songs. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I mean when we lost The Prince of Darkness this
past year, I watched as so many people realized the
lyrics were. You know, the lyrics were brilliant. Crazy train. Yeah,
it's an anthem and it is good party tune read
the lyrics Airs of a Cold War. That's what we've become,
you know. I mean, he's a hell of h lyrisists.
(05:39):
So you're exactly right. What about ac DC, though, I mean,
I love ac DC, and I'm hoping to see them
this year, but and I don't want to say I'm
dismissive of the But like back in Black you said
I got the best story there. I always felt like
they were just it was more about fist waving what,
you know, what worked worked. I never really read into
(06:03):
an ac DC song before it was all in the time.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I think that not everyone wants to you know, not
everyone when you're just rocking out and fists in the air.
You know, I don't know that you're always thinking about
specifically what the song is about. I think there's a
time and a place, right, I mean, I think that's
some of the biggest songs that you know, everyone is
chanting to at you know, venues when we're seeing shows
(06:26):
or whatever. Sometimes I bet some of these guys are
laughing because we're all like, yeah, party, were ready, and
you know, the songs could be about something truly dark
and terrific totally. But that's what makes these artists great
at what they do is turning, you know, whether it's
pain or heartache into something that might mean something else
(06:48):
to the listener. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Well, and two of the artists we've already mentioned a
couple of times got called out on the carpet a
lot about that. You know, Halford was brought I think
in front of Congress about one of his songs. Ozzie
was always explaining suicide solution. You know, he always had
to explain that way, you got a favorite Jack And
again we are on with full Metal jack. It's Full
(07:11):
Metal Jackie certified to the fifty most influential heavy metal
songs of the eighties and the true stories behind their lyrics.
Do you have a favorite band, favorite.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Song in the book or in life?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I want in life, job I want in life.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I would say one of my favorite bands of all
time would be Typo Negative. I don't know if you
are familiar.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I interviewed them back in the day, Jack, But that's
a little bit harder than I usually go. But that
tells me, it does, It tells me a lot about you.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'm also I'm from New York, so Typo Negative was
from Brooklyn, so I got I was lucky enough to
get to see them quite a few times. And you know,
I would actually see Peter Steele at shows when we'd
be out and about, which you know, was amazing. That
guy was like an evil comic book character, like super tall, thin, long,
(08:06):
black hair, and he had this deep, scary voice, but
he was hilarious and you know that Brooklyn sense of humor. Ye,
but yeah, Typo would be my favorite. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Well, I can't wait to check the book out. So
great that you you got to do. It had to
be tough to come up with fifty. Some had to
hit the floor. No, it's probably going to be a
part two.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You know. It was definitely difficult to narrow down the list,
but the list is really just a framework. The real
point was, you know, influence, you know, cultural, lyrical, emotional,
you know, these songs shaped how metal spoke to people.
And that's what I was trying to, you know, relay in.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
This book and I love it too. Earlier today they
sent me, Hey, just so you know, it's full Metal
Jackie on Instagram and on x on Facebook though it's
full Metal Jackie six six six. I thought that's awesome,
for it was a holy number. The number was six
hundred and sixty six. Tremendous, jack I wish you to
(09:06):
the best of luck and I can't wait to read
the book.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Thank you so much for your time, So you
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