Full Show Podcast: 28 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Two five four three.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Met and
Tyler Full Show podcast number two five three for the
twenty eighth of November. It's a Friday, and boy, I
love that show today.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
What a show, what a show adventure. So much happened,
got sidetracked a little bit by gout.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh that's right, yeah, yeah, gout spoiler. It's gout. So
if you listen to Out, yeah, it might beg out spoiler.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
But we had a fantastic interview with a great New Zealander.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah. For one of the first times ever we've got
the New Zealand of the week joins us on the
show to celebrate their victory.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
So super exciting.

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So thank you so much for listening to our podcast.

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Speaker 2 (01:06):
All right then, love you big.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Be for a good afternoon to you. It is six
pass one. Welcome into Friday's show. Feel pretty good on
a Friday for most of us of the week, but
great day of your company. Get a Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, thanks for tuning in, you Gray Newzellas, Move you up.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Now. There's been a few people talking to me this week.
Met They've been seeing you, but not seeing you in person.
So they've been seeing you in the supermarket. They've been
seeing you in wit calls, they've been seeing you in
various places that you buy magazines. I get around, you
get around. So I said, well, what's going on here?
Why you've seeing Matt? So they've sent me pictures and
turns out you are on the front cover of New

(01:55):
Zealand Woman's Weekly.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh I am, aren't I?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Right next to the beautiful Princess Catherine. Then there's a
little picture of you, Matilda Green and Lee Hard and
it says stars tell all while this why Christmas is different?

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, a Christmas story. What's interesting about this? Tyler as
of snake g You haven't I you have? Because you're
supposed to be in the Woman's Weekly this week. It's
supposed to be you on the cover with a different
story with your lovely partner.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
That's why people are coming to me and saying.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Radio Superstar makes a move from christ Church to Auckland. Yeah,
there's a lot going on there. And then you got
the message, isn't you We've bumped you for Heath.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah. So that's why people have been coming up to
me because I said t Evron, please go and buy
the magazine because I need your support. And then they
turn up to the supermarket and see you're your mug there.
But it's a beautiful photo, mate, I mean you three
you look gorgeous. It is a good cause.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
One of them, one of us looks better than me
and Lee Yeah yeah, or Lee and I before people
test through and say I've got that around the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
But it is it's a good cause mate, it's a
very good cause.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Oh yes, absolutely. So we're just talking about Christmas for
the good people at Variety who have raised one hundred
and twenty eight thousand of the five hundred that they're
trying to raise for Christmas. So if you want to
give some money, Variety christmas dot org to donate. Variety
sponsors more than seven five hundred kids and look eighty

(03:21):
nine percent of their caregivers are worried about feeding these
kids at Christmas, with ninety two saying they won't be
able to afford presents. So, you know, if you're sitting
about worrying about you know, the theme for your dinner table,
then Locke, you might want to think about some of
these kids. It's pretty hard out there. So yeah, if

(03:42):
you want to help out some people with their Christmas
then go along to and donate to this variety Christmas
dot org. They're great New Zealander, is it variety?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Of course?

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, so I was happy to you know, be slightly
humiliated in a photo shoot for them.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's for a good cause. Humiliation for a good cause
is something you can get behind.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Variety Christmas dot org. But you'll be in next.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, so please, you know, do me a favor. If
you want to see what my dog paper looks like
and me and Mave, you know, being a photographed by
very good people. But I was slightly uncomfortable, then please
just go and and help me out and just buy
a magazine or at least look at it.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Did you get the the you know, the out shots,
what do you call it? The other shots?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I haven't yet? Is that I don't know. That might
be bad news news that they all went onto the
cutting room floor, but look, I'm looking forward to it.
That's out on Mondays. But well done, mate, you stake
me on that one for a charity. Right on to
today's show after three o'clock because it is a Friday.
It's what the whole country gets excited for. New Zealander

(04:51):
of the week.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Who will it be? Every week on Matton Tyler afternoons
we named the New Zealand of the week.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, a lot of big contenders. If you think you've
got one, text it through to nine two, nine to two,
but all will be revealed after three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
After two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
So David Pickham, he's revealed he has a softer peering
style than his dad head So he opened up about
his approach to fatherhood in a recent podcast with James Gordon.
But if you didn't see the documentary, the Beckham documentary
that came out about eighteen months ago, was pretty clear
his dad was quite a tough father. Praise wasn't handed
out easily, so in one of the scenes in that doco,

(05:26):
Becon's mother Sandras struggling with how hard his father Ted
was on their son. Ted used to shout at David
to bring him to tears, and when he was asked
if he was too tough on David, here was his quote. No,
if I told him how good he was, then he's
got nothing to work at. And so David's taken that
on board and he's been a lot softer and arguably
kinder to his kids, which is an interesting revelation from David.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, so are you worried that you've been too soft
on your kids or you're worried that you're being too
soft on your kids? Sometimes I worry I'm too soft
on my kids.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
Hmmm.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
You know there's that thing where you're supposed to be
their guide and their parents are not their friend. But
I feel like I've been best buddies with my kids
since as soon as they could talk, and they could
get into video games and movies with me. But I
do worry I'm a bit soft.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
It's an interesting, interesting one, though, wasn't it, Because clearly
David's dad was a hard ass and he never told
him he was any good and praise was very, very
hard to come by. But it made David one of
the best footballers in the world.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, so you know the trades offs, right, Yeah, yeah.
I mean that's the exact opposite of the participation trophy.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Isn't it exactly.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I have kids walking around thinking they're amazing when they're not, yep,
and then getting into the real world and achieving nothing. Yeah,
maybe you have to be cruel to be kind.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
That is after two o'clock. But right now, let's have
a chat about civic duty and standing for jury or
accepting jury selections. So there's a bill before Parliament it's
past its second reading that will make those over sixty
five no longer eligible to be recused from jury service
if they are called upon. As it stands, right now,

(07:01):
you hit sixty five, the law states that you've served
your civic duty to society. You get your pension and
your page its taxes, and at that point you can
no longer be asked to step into a jury.

Speaker 6 (07:13):
No.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
No, you can be asked, but they can't force you
to thank you. Yes, So for the rest of us,
you can be forced to do jury service if you're
over sixty five. There's a bunch of reasons why you can't,
and you can get you can attempt to get out
of it. And there's legitimate ways you can get out
of it, and a lot of people do try and
get out of it because a very difficult thing to do,
to take that much time out of your life, and
you also don't know how long it's going to be.

(07:34):
You don't get you don't really get paid to do it,
so it can be a real punish, you know. I
always think of you know, say, trades that they've overrun
with work and they're trying to get things done on time,
and there's a lot of pressure and just stepping out
to do a two week trial not easy, right, potentially

(07:55):
easier if you're retired, Potentially not easier than retired. But
currently you don't have to if you're over sixty five,
but that is about to change. What do you think
about it? Do you think it's sixty five You've already
done enough, You've already done enough to societ and it's time
for you to put up your feet.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Can I just give you a we are we stat here?
So currently forty seven percent of excusals when it comes
to jury service are granted solely on the base of
of age forty seven percent, So that is forty seven
percent of those over sixty five that say thanks, but
no thanks, I don't have to do it. That's a
big number. I mean, that's why they're struggling to fill
juries at the moment. Surely.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, but I think a lot of over sixty five
to choose to do it as well, don't they.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I imagine.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
So, I mean there is a situation that can happen,
And it happened to Socrates, didn't it, Where it was
all retired people on the jury, retired ex Greek soldiers,
and they condemned death and Eveone was like, come on, yeah,
it was Socrates. You've just killed Socrates and the smartest guys.
The argument was that that it wasn't representative of the
views of the entirety of society, because you can get

(09:00):
to the point with only the people that can do
jury service doing jury service as opposed to a representation
of your peers as it were. Yeah, so what do
you reckon?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty does this
make sense to you to change the law that if
you're over sixty five you've hit retirement age that if
you get that letter you will be required to at
ten jury service or do you think it should remain
as it is. Love to your thoughts on this nineteen
nine two's text.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, and on just the thing, the question of boomer,
because when we've started talking about this before, a bunch
of people text through and said, we I don't like
being called a boomer. Don't call me a boomer. It's derogatory.
So supplementary question, do you not like being called a boomer?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
That was the headline of the story.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Hey, I got it right and then corrected myself. Lee
and Me was correct. Take Lee out of the sentence.
She looks better than me, is correct. That's right. So
it's Lee and I, Me and Lee. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
So if there's a third party, it's Lee and me.
If it's just you and Lee, it's Lee and I.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Well, as Sue says, Lee and Me was correct. Take
Lee out of the sentence. That's how you do it, right, Ah,
So if you take the other other person out of
the sentence, does a sentence still makes sense. That's how
you work out how to do it. But for the
longest time on the show, I've been saying Me and
TI when it should be Tyler and I, and it
gets people very angry. On nine two and probably get
more text on that than nearly anything else.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
The Oracle has spoken, though, so thank you very much. Right, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty should the law be
changed when it comes to over sixty fives in jury service?
Back in a mote, it is quarter past one.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, Used Talks, the'
B news Talks.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
There be eighteen past one.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
How good Russell Crowe?

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, what a get for Francisca.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Oh my god, what great news. Indy is amazing that
we'll be in credit. We're listening to a few podcasts
with Russell Crowe. Right, he's just such a smart, well
thought out top blow.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, incredible actor, incredible movies. But that will be a
great listen. We are chatting about jury service. So the
rules are looking like they will change at the moment.
If you're over sixty five and you get a letter,
you don't have to accept that jury summons. But they
want to change that rule, so they want to raise
it to seventy two. So if you're between sixty five
and seventy two, you get a litter, you have to
go unless you've got a very good excuse.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
This is a confusing text here, Tyler, get rid of juries.
If I kill someone, I don't trust the morons I
see on the streets of our theo to judge me?
What do you mean if you kill someone? I think
that they must be a mistated They must have meant
if I get accused of killing someone.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, I think, Yeah, you're missed out of pass there,
because if.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
You kill someone I know, are you planning to kill someone?
If you kill someone, you don't trust the morons you
see on the streets of Toora to judge you.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
That means they married. Yeah, yeah, you should be worried
to I fleck this one onto the cops. I think
we might need to send that up the line. Double check.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
The text seems to be planning a murder.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number
to call keys.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Welcome to the joke.

Speaker 7 (11:49):
Welcome, welcome, welco We says, okay, now, the devil isten
of detail, So I don't ask the detail.

Speaker 8 (11:54):
I'm just springing this on you.

Speaker 9 (11:56):
As I quickly thought out thought, okay, great.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
The retirement age has put up to sixty sixties. However,
if you wish to draw on the pension and you
are unemployed, you could draw on pension.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
At sixty five.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
Provider, do you make yourself available for fifty two weeks
that you're between sixty five and sixty six as a dura? Okay,
The closer you get to the age of sixty six,
the more likely you are able to be voted as
a pullman of the juror, because then you will have
had at least nineteen eleven months worth experience.

Speaker 10 (12:32):
If you do not want to sit.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
On the jury, then you don't get the preempt of
pension and you have to wait until sixty six.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Right. So with that key, so what do you say
to the logic around jury service, which is at sixty
five you have contributed to New Zealand's enough and at
sixty five you deserve to take a rest and you
don't have to give any more back.

Speaker 9 (13:01):
Fair enough, fair enough.

Speaker 7 (13:02):
I believe that both of you are under sixty four
and as a result, when you when you get to
sixty five, you understand you've got a lot of life
kicking engine. Yes, and you're not You're not retarded, You're not.

Speaker 10 (13:17):
Here.

Speaker 7 (13:17):
I say that retarded. We're not, okay, retarded had anyway,
You're not You're not You're not deed if you're reasonably
who the faculties, your doctor hasn't marked you off as
being uncapable.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
So yeah, of course steps in the detail. But there
are a lot of people who are.

Speaker 11 (13:33):
Fit, healthy at sixty five.

Speaker 7 (13:35):
They do all sorts of things that you're. In fact,
I do know people at sixty five, sixty seven, sixty
eight who are bored because they haven't got anything else
to do anymore. Okay, So just wiping someone out of
the system because he's sixty five, is I suppose you
could say ages if you want to bring the pre
segregade into it.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, although keys right now you are allowed to do it.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, so you'll still get the letter.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah, and so you can you just get a natural
like an immediate refusal. Yeah, if you're sixty five, but
you if you choose to do it, and a lot
of people have sixty five do choose to do it,
then you and you can go off.

Speaker 12 (14:17):
Have you knocked me off here?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
No?

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Okay, so right there, right there.

Speaker 7 (14:24):
I can get the pinchuon of sixty five.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (14:27):
I mean at the moment, the renuwneration for jurors is
ABOOSMO absolutely ABUSM.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, and it's like I'll just stick it up. I
think it's thirty five dollars a day case or half day.

Speaker 7 (14:42):
And then and as the financial heartship becomes with it,
So instead of getting the pinchion of sixty six, you're
going to apply for the pension at sixty five.

Speaker 12 (14:50):
And put yourself in the jury selection pool.

Speaker 7 (14:53):
You may not get selected, but to have yourself fully
available means that you will do the jury service when
called upon, and if you can. You can't tell me
that people that are sixty five haven't experienced a huge,
a huge sort of.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
My life skills, you know, yeahors most of them anyway,
You're quite right, a lot of wisdom at sixty five.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
But I don't mean absolutely. I mean some of the
smartest people in the world are obviously over sixty five. Yeah,
you know, had the most experience, have seen the most
different things, are probably calmer in some ways they're not
you know, they might have gone through and maybe if
you're a dude, there's slightly less testosterone floating around, so
you're not so vengeful and maybe you can operate on

(15:38):
the thing logically.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Better to assist.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
My only concern would be with that idea keys, is
that you end up with the jury being primarily people
sixty five. So I was on a jury and what
wasn't really impressed by the jury is it was such
a representation of New Zealanders, right, different ages, different sexes.
It was a real good representation. And I was looking

(16:02):
around the room going, you know, if this is twelve,
randomly select to New Zealand's say eleven, because you know,
I'm a terrible person, but that's eleven. Pretty good people
random inspected and it seemed to be a good representation
of New Zealand. And as I said before, you get
the Socrates situation where next thing you know, someone's having
to drink hemlock because everyone on the juries of the
same mindset, because of the same age.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, good point. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call if you're over sixty five and
you've got one of those letters. Love to hear what
it actually says, whether it says straight off the bat,
we know you're over the age of eligibility. So if
you don't want to do this, you don't have to.
Maybe is it different writing.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
No, It says essentially just that if you're over sixty five,
you can choose to be in the jury, but you
don't have to be. You can immediately just say I'm
over sixty five not thanks, non keen.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
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Speaker 2 (17:38):
Seven past one. So should those aged over sixty five
be required to attend jury services if called upon? That's
the bill before Parliament at the moment. Can you get
your views of eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and One.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Of the reasons why they can't fill juries is because
a lot of people can't take the financial hit, yes,
or are you know contractors, gig economy kind of people
that just you know, they can't put things on hold.
So this is the This is the payment. If you're
on the jury first week, first five days, half day
thirty one dollars full day up to six pm sixty

(18:11):
two dollars. If you go after six pm, there's eighty
nine dollars. If you're still there after nine pm, you
get a sweete hundred and twenty seven dollars. Oh, after
the first week you get a pay rise. So if
your service goes more than a week, half day gets
a big pay rose, up to forty dollars for a
half day.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
From thirty one to forty Yeah, okay, nine bucks eighty yep.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
After six pm one hundred and fourteen, after nine pm
one hundred and sixty three.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
It's better than a slap in the face.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
And of course employer employers are not legally required to
pay you during jury service, but many choose to top
up your jury pay because you know they're great people.
You get, you get certain extense expenses, childcare and transport.
You're parking, yep, not uber, not a taxi? No, No,
you can't get a limousine service in there and get

(18:59):
them to pay for it.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
It's a shame.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
It's a shame, mainly public transport.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Sandy, How are you good day? How are you going
very good? Can you hear your story?

Speaker 15 (19:10):
So?

Speaker 16 (19:11):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 10 (19:12):
So I turned sixty five in September.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Congratulations, I feel more like.

Speaker 10 (19:18):
No, I feel more like fifty five. But I was
made redundant too much. And when I come from an
office management type of background, so and trying to find
a job, when there's five hundred applicants through the job,
you tend to feel pretty useless and relevant. And I've
just been caught up for jury service for the last

(19:38):
week of December, well, fifteen of December, and I feel
really privileged to have the opportunity to step up and
contribute to society. I think I understand why a lot
of people can't do it because of childcare commitments and
work commitments, But when you're sixty five, it's likely that
you could make it. So I don't really have any

(19:58):
understanding is why they would change that. I mean, we
need a broad spectrum of people in society to be
on juries, to get a fear and equitable understanding of
what's going on. But I don't see any reason why
they would change the age to sixty six.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
So the idea is that they'll change it now to
seventy two, I believe. So it's seventy two, you can
still serve on the jury, but at seventy two you
would now be able to say just automatically get off
the jury if you don't want to do it up
from sixty five. So right now, if you get usked
to do jury service, Sandy, you can say sixty five.

(20:38):
You can say yay or nay to it. You can't
stay yay to it, and a lot of people do,
but you can also say nay to it and I message.

Speaker 10 (20:45):
I thought they were saying that you didn't have to
and I think so you should absolutely be able to
sit on the jury service and it shouldn't be given.
You shouldn't be given the opportunity to lot. And they
sh've got really sound grounds. You're not well, said, you've
got child key, you've got work commitments, but everybody should
do their best to be on that jury.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, so you don't You don't buy by the agument
that it has been in the past that by sixty
five you've served your duty to your country, your page
of texts, you've worked, you've got to pension age, and
your responsibilities are gone.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Now you don't buy that.

Speaker 10 (21:22):
Absolutely, not not one, not even one I own. So
at what stage do you stop having to stop being
part of society? As I said, and this, you've got
a really sound ground. You're not well, you know, you
haven't aged well. You maybe you know mentally and not
capable or whatever reason. But if you're fit and well
and healthy, you're being paid by society for your pension

(21:46):
and okay, you've contributed to it, but still it's an
amazing system that we have. And if you can still
do your bed, then absolutely you should.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Thanks so much for your call. Sandy. Yeah, that's an
interesting way look at it. So, you know, the sixty
five idea, it's almost like a compliment at the moment.
You've given enough at sixty five, so we can't demand
that you go now. But Sandy's kind of saying, it's
kind of almost an insult because you're kind of saying
it's sixty five. You know you might not be up

(22:21):
to it. Yeah, but absolutely you're up to it. And
there is actually no upper age limit in New Zealand
for jury service. So I mean, here's a text here saying, hi, guys,
my dad is ninety seven and he just got called
up for jury service a few months ago. He can't
even dress himself and needs help to walk. I don't
think they check the ages when they send those letters out.

(22:42):
The funny thing was the old fellow wanted to go
up and do it right.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I mean, look, if you've got all your senses and capabilities,
then why not. I mean, if a ninety seven year
old granddad wants to go and he's still okay, then
go for gold.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Well, if there's a ninety seven year old out there
doing ram raids, then they'll end up in front of
the courts. So it only seems fear that you could
have ninety seven year olds in the jury.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah, there's a lot of logic in that. Oh, one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to core.
How do you feel about this potential law change that
if you're over sixty five you'll be required to attend
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Speaker 2 (24:36):
Thank you very much, Raylene. Should those over sixty five
be required to serve in a jury if required?

Speaker 9 (24:42):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
E one hundred and eighty ten eighty as the number
to call. They're looking to change the law.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Hi, guys. As an over sixty five, big pardon year
old retired police officer, I'm really looking forward to being
called for jury service. I've been called twice in the past.
Well so I was on a job, but was of
course disqualified. Now look out, Krim. They will absolutely be guilty.
So all good old cheers. Mark.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Good to know if I ever do something and there's
a mark on the jury of police officer for.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Whatever the evidence, Mark is sending you down, rich Ed,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 11 (25:16):
Well, I think that it's age just to suggest that
over sixty five shouldn't imagine you take the age get
of Imagine if you said all Catholic people don't have
to do it, or all Chinese people don't have to
do it, people will be having arms. That's racist to it. Whatever,
there's no reason why sixty five plus can't do it.
I'm sixty two now. I did my first jury service

(25:38):
when I was fifty eight. I loved doing my service
and there was a very wide range of people on
my diary. It was a murder trial, so it was
quite important. And I think that the problem is is
that we've got to have the best people within. There's
just as many morons than the twenty twenty year old
bracket as there.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Is more year old bracket, more arguably old statement. I mean, Richard,
I was much more of a moron when I was
in my twenties than I am now. I'm sure of it, right, and.

Speaker 11 (26:09):
It takes you a while to grow out of that.
That's the whole point why you do need some older
people in there, because they've experienced more things, and then
they can read into things in their own way, just
for like some twenty year olds can do, just like
some thirty year olds can do. And I'll tell you what,
it's not a perfect system. Because there's one thing to
date the vain trial drew to us, is they still

(26:30):
possibly get some morals on a jury.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, yeah, comment, Yeah, found guilty in this first trial
and innocent in his second one. Richard. Hey, So, Richard,
when you were fifty eight and you went on on
juris service and that you said it was a murder trial.
That would have been a long trial, how did you
deal with that in terms of time off work and such.

Speaker 11 (26:55):
Well, I work for myself now, but at the time
I was working for a company and they have a
policy where you get called up, they will continue to
pay you. So okay, it wasn't. But I thought the
amount that they offered was pretty fierce. I thought I
thought it was a bit more generous than what you
get the outline before. But there wasn't anybody. There was

(27:18):
only one person who pulled out. One pair jury got
selected and they got replaced, and that was because they
were an early childhood education teacher and they were allowed
time off for three or four days. But we got
told that it was likely to last two weeks, and
so she said, I can't have that much time away

(27:39):
from work, so they let her off. I think, if
anybody wants to get office, they've got valid reasons, so
pretty sensible, So let you get off. But as it
turned out, the trial only lasted four days, and we
we took a very short period of time to work
out the right answer.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Well that's that's short for a murder trial. Just four days.

Speaker 11 (28:03):
Well, surprisingly, I think to everybody that the sense decided
not to put up any witnesses, right.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Right, Okay, okay, so that's telling. I want to ask
you which way it went. But it's funny, Richard, because
we've had a couple of calls now, and and I
think a lot of people, fairly enough take offense at
the idea that once yet sixty five, you're no longer
required to serve on a jury. But I've always looked
at it as a reward. It's a reward for your
service over those sixty five years or whatever, however long

(28:30):
you pay your taxes and done your jus. You don't
see it that way. You think it's an insult.

Speaker 11 (28:34):
But there's every chance that in that sixty five years,
you haven't been called up for jury service, So, I
mean I had been called up once prior to this,
but at that point I was in a tribe that
precluded me from doing jury service. So this was my
fairst chance to do it. And when I finished, I
went back into the court office and a lot please

(28:58):
don't take my name off. I know that the juke
said we don't have to do it for a period
of time. Things have done this, but I'm quite aady
to do it next time, and so they met my
name on it.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
I get on your ritchard. Thanks for calling. Yeah, I mean,
just a bunch of people are texting through. You can
currently do it if you're over sixty five. It's not
you're not being ruled out from doing it. You're just
given the automatic opportunity to get off doing jury service.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Basically, the only reason you need to give if you
don't want to do it is you're over sixty five.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Which I see a slightly logical flaw in that. Yeah,
because you can't have people volunteering for jewelry service because
then you get a jury full of volunteers, right, That's why,
that's why it has to be random. Yeah, right. So
by saying over sixty five you can either do it
or not, you are kind of getting a jury of

(29:52):
volunteers percentage.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
It's a type of volunteers, a type of volunteer. Yeah,
because you don't have to do it over sixty five.
You're just on the volunteer thing. And I know there's
some serious flaws in that idea, but if you've never
done it in your life, there's a text here. Where
is it? I'll try and find it, But it was effectively,
I am closing in on sixty five and I've never
been given the opportunity to serve on a jury. My

(30:16):
sister has and she can't string two sentences together. Was
a gist of the text. But for someone that's never
done it to say, hey, I'll just give your heads up.
I've never got that letter. I think I'm a fairly normal,
average person that would be good on a jury. Can
I have a shot?

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, But volunteers don't represent society, and the entire point
of a jury is to represent society, and some members
of society are like her sister and can't string two
words together, so that the randomness of it is hugely important,
to the point even when you called for jury service,
you get put in a big room and then they
spin a lottery wheel and then it gets random again,

(30:52):
and then you get taken into the courtroom and then
you're randomly sected it again. So randomness is so very important,
you know, because if it was just all volunteers, and
that's a specific type of person that's a volunteer, maybe
they know Mark texting before and said, whoever's on the
jury he's and he's going.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
To convict Yeah, former cops. So it's just going to
go hard.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
So you could get people volunteering that just want to
get revenge on on criminals. Yeah, And the thing about
the jury service and the justice system is we've got
to presume innocence.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Got to compel some people to do it. It is
sixteen to two. But taking more of your calls on
I E. One hundred and eighty ten eighty Back in the.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Month, mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and
Tylor Adams afternoons, news talks be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
The government is looking to or an MP is pushing
through a bill. It's passed its second reading, and it's
getting a lot of support to change the law to
require over sixty five year olds to serve on a
jury if they get the letter. What do you reckon?
I hade hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

Speaker 7 (31:54):
Pete.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this, you, Charlie.

Speaker 14 (31:58):
I agree because I got called up once. That's going
back about thirty odd years ago. But I went here,
did the protocol. That basically what happened iest. I didn't
know the guys. We get there and then I thought
they got it, and you're gonna put your hand up
to you. I met the guy, spake to the very
briefly in the pub a few times. There's a nice guy,
so straight away I had to be honest, and that

(32:19):
was it. I stood down, and you know, I couldn't, didn't, didn't,
didn't even put me name. That was it. I was dismissed.
But I reckon, it's a good idea because most people,
you know, the work I have to shift work and
stuff and things for younger days, and that's you know,
it's hard you working in the dairy industry, and that
your twenty four operations sort of thing, and sometimes you
don't want to hit the team down. So I think

(32:41):
it's sixty five. After sixty five, I'm just I'm just
just retired. So I think it's actually a good idea
for it, bringing it up to seventy or seventy three,
whatever they think about doing. Because you got time then,
so give it bit. Yeah, you can give it. You
can give a bit more back. You've got the time
to do it. I think it's a damn good idea.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Thank you, maybe cool Pete appreciate it?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Now? How are you?

Speaker 17 (33:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (33:05):
Still bring the last time I checked?

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Good news.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
That's good. We'll keep us updated throughout this call. And
you know if you stop then we'll send or send
Tyler around to resustin you.

Speaker 19 (33:16):
It's very kind of you. But I'm Daniel Wellington, so
it might be a bit part of wall.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'd be a liability anyway now, I'd make things worse
I find someone fair enough.

Speaker 19 (33:25):
No, absolutely definitely have it as a over five a man.
It's almost like saying you could argueous age of them
per se, but no, people in over sixty five good
all their life Kars experienced. But I reckon we should
take it one step further, give them the option. I've
actually become professional jurors because I think of it this way.
You know, a jury is supposed to be a jury

(33:47):
of your peers. Now you could end up with, you know,
let's say your own case. Let's say on a and
a legal thing on accountancy or tax law or something
for example, and you're you're being judged, and the people
on the jury as a I don't know, as a gardener,
who may not know the most intricate details about tax
law or you could or whatever. So why do I

(34:10):
have people who are who are over six y five retired,
who have been in various areas and specialized and worked
in fields for their entire lives. Want to focus on
them who really want who would be quite happy to
be in that still keep the randomness, but have a
selection of people who are professional who actually understand what
the case is all about, rather than actually just having

(34:32):
to have it all explained to you again in graphic detail,
and you're going to go back and think, oh, it's
all about hang on, what are we talking about? You know,
having a jury that really understands the subject matter would
be a true jury of your peers who actually know
what's going on.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah. It's an interesting one though, and I see it
and I've thought about this a bit. But the problem
with that is it stops being ordinary people and starts
becoming the justice system. So these are people part of
the justice system judging you with the idea of the jury.
As you get people that are outside of the justice
system and buy choosing people or deciding which particular citizens

(35:12):
can be on a jury for whatever reason brings them
into the justice system. Do you kind of see what
I'm saying? And you go you sorry, Okay.

Speaker 19 (35:21):
I'm going to say because from my time when I've
studied law, when you I didn't, never went through with it,
So I don't like it. But the when you when
people walk up to the you know, when you're selected,
there's from the jury room to walk into the into
the you know, into the courthouse and be selected. Either
side can can go object, you know, and then you're off.

(35:44):
You're not in, So it's not truly random because they
already know bit of your background of those who have
been selected before you go in. So I mean the
prosecution may say, yeah, I want now because he's got
experience in say accountancy, for example, but they will or
that the opposing side might say. The defense may say, no, ship,

(36:05):
we don't want that guy in there because he knows
too much and he that actually lead the jury. So
it's truly not random anyway, because it is for one
pointment that you're selected. But either side of the defense
or the or the other guys go head a moment,
prosecution or defense ten can challenge you walk it up

(36:28):
and then sitting in the in the in the twelve
jury seats.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yes, so, but there's a limited amount. So you go
into the you go into the courtroom and let's say
this twelve I mean not let's say we know this
twelve people on the jury, about fifty people come into
the room and the defense and prosecution lawyers can only
can only deny whatever the word is. There's there's a

(36:53):
there's a word for it. That's that's the sloping me. Yeah, yeah,
I think it's that. It might be four four challenges each.
Yeah so sore, okay, but yeah, yeah, so it been
a while. So that does mean now the absolutely right,
they do heavily. I mean that is that does mean
that they do shape the shape the jury.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, I've never said a look, I've said on the
other side as a reporter in particular, you know court cases,
and I've never seen either side of either the defense
or the prosecution use all of their challenges, usually one
or two, but they never use them all because I imagine
that is it's quite a big thing to say challenge.

(37:35):
I don't want you on the jury to try and
ensure that you do have a random selection of normal people.
But it's an interesting idea. Professional juries have been chucked
around as an idea for a long time.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, I mean, I just think that means you're part
of the justice system, so you know you're going up
against these people, and you go, I'm just being put
through the through the system by the system, as opposed
to the checks and balances of everyday ordinary Kiwis whoever
they may be judging you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Interesting, seven to two back very shortly, nine to two
ninety two.

Speaker 20 (38:05):
Is that text number, Mattie Taylor Adams taking your calls
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Speaker 1 (38:12):
It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks, mb.

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Speaker 3 (38:18):
Well, there's no doubt that some of our smartest and
fairest people are over sixty five, and we want them
on juries if we can. And I get that you've
contributed a lot to society by the time he's sixty five,
and you might deserve a break. But I also think
moving the age up to seventy two is a good balance. Look,
there is no doubt it's getting harder and harder to
get people to fill juries because who can afford to
do it? So maybe instead of the age rules, we

(38:39):
should be looking at the pay increase, the pay, tax
breaks and people surve I don't know something that stops
jury service being such a financial ball act. Yeah, good
wrap up ball ach could be a good thing. Yeah exactly.
I might also make the jury list random. But then again,
as we all know, the country's bloody skin, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, nicely said, make good discussion, Thank you very much.
Coming up after two o'clock. So David Beckham says he
has a soft parenting style. We'll talk about that.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Next Talking with you all afternoon it's mad Heathen Taylor
Adams afternoons used.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Talk Zippy, Get out of you.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Welcome back into the show. Six past too. Just before
we get into the next topic, Matt, I saw you
hobbling a bit as you made your way to the
bathroom to do what you needed to do.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Oh yeah, okay, I might actually use once again. I
get accused of this a lot, using this show for
my own personal gain.

Speaker 7 (39:31):
Two.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yep, there's a real oracle of information. And I know
we have a lot of medical professionals listening to the show.
So I'm going to reach out for some advice because
I went to book my doctor and they said, basically,
we can see you on the fifteenth of December and
not before. Right, it's a bit of a wait, very
busy the medical centers of Auckland doren't they they are?

(39:52):
So maybe something can help me. So about two weeks ago,
around a marathon, fine, I mean, one of my nails
came off my foot. There's a lot of redness under
each toe.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
But then just yesterday afternoon suddenly it was like my
big toe on my right foot broke. So suddenly it
was really incredibly painful and had a big bump, like
a big bony bump out the side of it.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Right, So what is that?

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Can your toe spontaneously break without any incident? About twelve
days after.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
A month of Yeah, during it was just adrenaline pumping
through your system and it's finally exited, and now you
realize that you broke your toe.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Well, yeah, I don't know, because it's now so painful
that it's throbbing. I was trying to sleep last night.
It was just throbbing and playing like it's just been broken.
But I haven't dropped anything on it. I haven't stubbed
my toe or anything. Yea that the nail on it
is black. So I'm just wondering. Hopefully I'm not going
to be involved in some kind of Bob Marley incident
where I die from it.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, hopefully they don't have to amputate it.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
So is it a bunion? What's a bunyan?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
So it's a big growth that's on the side of
your big toe. Yeah, a black nail? Is there bruising
around this growth?

Speaker 21 (41:03):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Oh oh?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Gout?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Gout? What have you been consuming after this marathon? You've
been eating lots of seafood and drinking lots of boot.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Is that what gout is? My mate, Jason Hoyt's always
suffering from gout. But I think that's from eating too
much cheese.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, that's from living the good life too much or
it might be it might be gout, and so.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
It's a gout, a hard bony growth.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I don't actually know because I've never suffered from it.
I mean there's a few people teaxing through. Well, Muzzy's
cut it off.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, Well muzz is a smart man, so right now,
and as someone else comes up with a better suggestion
than mrs then I will be cutting it off all right? Okay,
called gout gout?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I thought, surely not, because you've been looking after nutrition
seafood and cheese and fo Yeah, melbick. It's from living
the good life too much, isn't it. I don't think
you can just get gout from if you've got good nutrition.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Well, what's a bunyan?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Then and Andrew's coming in with a pair of scissors.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
That's a blunt pair of scissors to cut their toe off.
I'll be hacking at it for a while and need
you to do that for me, Andrew.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Oh yes, I'm getting teached now from people listening in
saying that it could be all sorts of things.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
It's definitely gout.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, at you have to keep off the drink. Yeah,
everyone's sticks in through a gout.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I mean, this is This is a painful type of arthroat.
It's caused by a buildup of uric acid in the body,
which forms sharp crystals in the joints. Oh, it's crystals,
that's why it's hard.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
What's uric acid is?

Speaker 3 (42:24):
It causes sudden, severe joint pain, swelling and redness, most
commonly in the big toe. Oh my god, it's gout
on affecting knees, ankles, wrists, and hands. Untreated gout can
cause severe long term damage to joints and kidneys. Well,
where is all this uric acid coming from?

Speaker 9 (42:41):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I thought I thought this was going to be an
easy fix for you.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
But if it's gout, diet's a lot of red meat.
Oh you seafood? You do love your mate, coolic bedverges.
I do eat a lot of red meat.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
Bloody.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Well, the oracle has soaken again.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
So the scout has popped up in my foot and
it's got absolutely nothing to do with running a marathon.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
So how do you get rid of gout? Nine two
ninety two. So we're pretty sure it's scout? Then what's
the next stage here? Does it just start to fall off?

Speaker 3 (43:09):
I'm just reading what you do about it seems too hard.
I might just go with Mazer's solution and just cut
it off.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, I think that's going to be easier, mate, all right, snip, snip, snap,
but good to get it.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
It's throbbing, throbbing.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
You'll be fine. That one s here is drink lemon juice.
Man flying through. Now go to A and E. What
it's fine. Cut it off with the spade.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Like you did to that cat. Yeah, well we know
what happened with the cat that jump back to life
and then I take it to the via.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right, Well good luck with that mate, gout.
Of all things, I just like, honestly.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
The amount of time I've spent taking the purse out
of my mate. Jason Hoyt favn gout. Yeah, this would
be true. Iron If I've now got got you're one
of them.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Well okay, just keep us updated when you finally get
into the doctors in two weeks time.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
But in the meantime, but I love my seafood in
red meat.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Well tough, tough. You've got gout now hey. Now, also
we've had we've hits just before we.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Get onto the week picture of gout, I have got gout.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
It is that does suck? I know a lot of
people with gout, and I think it flares back up?
Is it true? I don't want to scare your alarm anybody,
but once you've got gout, it's kind of like you know, syphilis,
that it never goes away.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
It's not like syphilis, is it?

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Well?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Well no, no, that was just a poor analogy. But
effectively it stays for you for life, that it just
keep keeps faring back up.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
My big toe has been very well behaved, Tyler. How
dare you all right?

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Made all that?

Speaker 14 (44:34):
You know?

Speaker 2 (44:34):
God speed with that. I'm you know, I'm not gutted
for you. It's gout. I just thought it would be
something that would be an easy fix, and it could
be an easy fix if you cut it off. But
out of all things, I'm disappointed to hear that.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Yeah, at least I don't have to go to the
doctor because sort of.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yet and quickly, we've had hundreds and hundreds of texts
and I I hadn't heard of this young woman, but
it sounds like she is an awesome New Zealander, so
we want to give her a shout out. A whole
bunch of texts giving a shout out and say please
can you mention her? Her name is Emma Upton and
I've had a look. So she's running a half marathon
each day this November for November Great charity, and that

(45:09):
charity of course raises funds and awareness for men's health issues.
So she's nineteen, she's from Wellington and she's juggling the
physical change between her two jobs as a barista and
patapata umu and as an administration role for a building company.
And she said in a recent article, November has always
been really important charity to me, especially for men's mental health.

(45:29):
So she's doing thirty runs covering six hundred kilometers and
she said in this article she found the first week
quite tough. So she's twenty eight days into it now.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Right, and how can you support this? Emma up?

Speaker 7 (45:43):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Upton?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Upton? All you gotta do is go to November and
search for Emma Upton. At the moment, she's raised twenty three,
nine hundred and fifty bucks. Oh well, incredible, yeah, incredible
young ki we what.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
A grad Zealand Yeah, so there we get it on her.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, there's a shout out for Emma Upton.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Go you good thing. Right, Let's someone saying that gout's
caused by sausages. So it wasn't your bloody sausages, your
burnt sausages on the barbecue last weekend, was it, Tyler?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I think yeah, because I don't need any of those,
and you had a lot you gorged on those. So
there's a few people calling up about gout? Uh do
we want to take a couple of callers here?

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Tom, gout? Good? Thank you? Have you got gout?

Speaker 22 (46:23):
I've had it, yep, And you're absolutely correct. And evidence
is first in your big toe on the right hand side. Yeah,
and then if you get a real bad case of it,
it ends up in your knee.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Oh no.

Speaker 22 (46:35):
The only way to get the only way to get
rid of it is to flood your body with it.
Your flood your bought your body with about nine liters
of water a day.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Oh really. You can flush it out.

Speaker 22 (46:45):
You can flush it out or your rich. You can
go down to the you can go down to the
chemist and buy some what they call alkalinic water.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Alkalinic water, okay, well.

Speaker 22 (46:55):
Changes which changes your body from being alkali something acidic
to alkaline.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
How much does that cost? Tom?

Speaker 9 (47:01):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (47:02):
Mate? It's not cheap. It's about thirty bucks for about
three lids.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
That seems that seems like a cheap price to play
to get rid of us big toe.

Speaker 22 (47:09):
Havn't said that. Once you had a bunch of had
it and the knee, that generally goes away, but it
comes back into big toe. When it comes back in
the big toe, you just got to have some patience
and wait for a couple of days, go down the
gym to another couple of sessions, and it seems to
light itself.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Right, Okay, so that we want to work out focuses
on your big toe.

Speaker 22 (47:30):
It's apparently. I asked the doctor that and he said
that's it's the area where there's the least there's the
least movement of blood.

Speaker 21 (47:38):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Right, that kind of makes sense.

Speaker 22 (47:40):
And that's why it harves itself down in your big toe.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Did when you when you got gout, did it? Did
your toenail underneath your toe go red like bleeding?

Speaker 22 (47:51):
No? No, I got none of that. I was really lucky. Yeah,
he said to me, he said to me, stay after
stay after beer for a while. I said forever, and
he goes, no, they're not forever, just for we while
and when it comes right. But your body's an amazing thing.
Hey nine had a tense things to go wrong with
that if you just wait for a couple of days

(48:12):
like yourself.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, isn't it. Yeah, we don't travel at our self
healing as much as we should.

Speaker 22 (48:19):
So does it?

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Does it stay with you for life? Thomas is changed.

Speaker 22 (48:24):
Yeah, I haven't had it now. I haven't had it
now for about five years. I'm sixty nine. So so
the doc says, oh, we must have we must have
knocked it on the head.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Well, this can use Tom, thanks for sharing.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
That is positive.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Neville. You reckon much to get to the doctor.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
Definitely, so it's herreditary. You will only get it if
you have got someone in your family that gets scout.
You go to the doctor, get an X ray, and
you will see the crystals look like shads of glass

(49:02):
inside the joint intense. So you're running. We'll have probably
egged revated to joint. Nothing with the black toenail. It's
something separate obviously.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Oh god, running, Well, we'll worry about the bowler necks.
We'll just deal with the gout first.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
Nip.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I'm taking a time, yeah exactly.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
So Yeah, my mother had gout when she got it,
but she died at one hundred and three, so it
won't shorten your life unless you don't look after it. So, yeah,
too much red meat, but all sorts of anything. The
time is the effort.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Is cheese a big part of it.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
I've never had problem a lot of m cheese, never
had a problem. I don't know about blue vein. That
might be a bit different. Red meat is meant to fish.
Can if I eat too much fish, but definitely please.
Shellfish for me is a bad one.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah. I heard a bit about seafood and gather tomatoes.

Speaker 6 (50:15):
Never really noticed with tomatoes. Everyone's different. So you've got
to find out what sets it off for you?

Speaker 3 (50:22):
And can they do they? Do they shave it off
if you go to the doctor or does it just
go away with the dietary change.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
No, I'll give you a tablet and it gets rid
of it. But I'm I'm permanently on alipur and ole,
so I don't have any problems.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
At all all right, So so yours is yours is gone?

Speaker 6 (50:47):
Well, A lots to stay on the ala puranole and
this and the dosa is sufficient?

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Do you have to get? Do you have to get
a prescription to get alperan or can I just head
head into the chemist and get it. Yeah you good
luck getting a bloody doctor's appointment and Auckland at the moment. Mate.
But yeah, hey, thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
From lots of other things first waving the doctor's appointment.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, well, Neville, thank you very much for those tips. Well,
I mean, not thank you for me, but thank you
for yourself if you. I mean, there's plenty of people
that want to help you out with their gout. And
I've just seen there's a text that's come through. There's
a gout helpline. I'll give you that, Nicky. There is
a Yeah, there's someone sticks through. There's an eight hundred
number if you've got gout and they can help you out. Maybe.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
So how should we just talk to Is this time
up done? Is it your daughter that's doing all this running?

Speaker 9 (51:40):
Tim it is?

Speaker 10 (51:42):
How are you guys?

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Yeah, we've been sidetracked by gout here, but we're briefly
talking about your daughter. Can you tell her what she's
tell us what she's up to?

Speaker 15 (51:51):
Yeah, yeah, so thanks thanks for giving her a shout out.

Speaker 12 (51:53):
It's awesome the profile you read.

Speaker 9 (51:55):
Out was last years, so she's she's stepped it up
this year.

Speaker 12 (51:59):
Is running for more.

Speaker 15 (52:01):
She's running from Auckland to Wellington.

Speaker 10 (52:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (52:03):
Well yeah, so she's into eighth day now with.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
A ninth day.

Speaker 15 (52:08):
Oh, I can't keep track.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
We're about to see we've just gone through Foxton.

Speaker 15 (52:13):
So today she's run forty three kow. She's got another
another twelve to do Tillivan and.

Speaker 10 (52:21):
Then another another one hundred in the.

Speaker 14 (52:23):
Next two days.

Speaker 10 (52:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (52:26):
So she's doing an awesome job. So running from Auckland
to Wellington and teen days essentially.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Wow, And so she's got to get it done before
the end of the month basically. That's yeah, yeah, yeah,
And you are you supporting? Are you support staff? Tim?

Speaker 15 (52:39):
I've been driving down the country at seven kilometers now
for the last nine.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Days, and I mean people should people should be sponsoring
you as well for that. I mean that's got a
that's got a for it as well.

Speaker 10 (52:55):
Well.

Speaker 15 (52:55):
Yeah, I'm putting a few updates on Instagram myself, so
I think I'm going to resign and just becoming a scrammer.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
So yeah, where can we Where can we? Where can
we follow that? Tim?

Speaker 23 (53:04):
You can find Emma, Emma Upton and I'm doing daily
up so it's at up to thirty three.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
And that's on Instagram.

Speaker 23 (53:11):
Is it on Instagram?

Speaker 10 (53:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (53:14):
And if you go into the November website you find
m erupted there if anyone wants to donate.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Right, so this is the money's going to November. So
the good on here. So yeah, she's she's focused on
mean's mental health, which.

Speaker 15 (53:26):
Is which is so she's so yeah for a male
dominated sort of cause she's she's doing it for us guys.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
You know, so Lissa, it's good.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
I mean, yeah, we've we've.

Speaker 15 (53:38):
Had a few my brothers took his own life and
she said, friends that have struggled. So she's doing it
for us. So what she's going through is I couldn't
be proud of you know. Yeah, it's something which is
really cool.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
That's awesome. But also what a great dare to be
supporting her on it as well, So you're both awesome.

Speaker 9 (53:55):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, and she's got a lot of supporters out there.
Obviously you're you're the number one term. But we've had
so many, so many takes come through, which is awesome.

Speaker 12 (54:05):
Oh co hey, can I.

Speaker 6 (54:07):
Give a shout out?

Speaker 23 (54:07):
I know I started adversement, but JJ Gardner have been amazing.

Speaker 12 (54:12):
It probably wouldn't be happening.

Speaker 15 (54:13):
Without the end.

Speaker 23 (54:14):
They paid for a camper for us, and they've.

Speaker 15 (54:17):
Been all the branches have been sponsoring. And three of
the guys in the man or were two branch have
just set their own little personal best. One runs thirty
five k, another runs twenty five and then there's another.

Speaker 14 (54:28):
Guy out there running with Zema.

Speaker 15 (54:29):
At the moment who's just coming up to twenty k.
So yeah, everyone's everyone's helping her along, and I think
she's helping them along.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
So yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Yeah, well thanks for ringing all the best out there. Yeah,
the road at seven k following your daughter running along impressive.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Emma Upton. Just go to November and see Gemma Upton
if you want to chuck her some cash. She's doing
very well. Twenty three thousand dollars raised so far. What
a great key. We twenty two pass two back in
the mow.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Twenty five past two. So many texts have come through
about gout.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
For an immediate pain relief. Take seventy five milligrams of
volta in every twelve hours to tackle information until you
get your diet under control. Thank you so much. Look,
thank you for all these caring people that have a
diagnosed me with gout. YEP and I one hundre percent
believe nine two nine ten. It's the high mind.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
It's never been wrong.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Very intelligent listeners, but also for your kind words and
suggestions to fix it. Cherry juice from eating orches fixers
gouts and keeps it away. Brilliant stuff. It's nice, specifically
from eating orchards. I reckon, go get some cherry juice.
Eating rich food not great, shellfish not great. Too much
acid in the body. Treated, you will be fine. Ala paranole,

(55:48):
thirtymil encounters and prescription. Oh yeah, here's a good idea.
Get a video, get a video from you know, consultation
with the doctor. And this person says, slam celery tabs
until you fall over.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Salary tab.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
What's a celery tab.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
I've got no idea. I've never heard of it. Celery tab. Well,
there's condensed celery and little tab that you're popping your mouth.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
You've gotta be careful with some kinds of tabs.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
You certainly do, all right, All right, well there's some
good advice of good luck with that.

Speaker 9 (56:15):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
You've got a few things to work on on the weekend.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
And this is the number for gout is eight hundred
knock shop. That can't be right.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
No, don't ring that one or baby do you know?
It's up to you. All right, we're going to take
some place of messages, but when we come back, we
want to a chat about soft parentine.

Speaker 20 (56:29):
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Speaker 3 (56:36):
Call Oh, eight hundred eighty eight on us Talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Excuse me, twenty nine pasts two. You're getting the foot
out met. You've taken some photos for the doctor. Yeah, yeah,
fair enough too.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
It's worried, yeah, scientific it through and said if you're
in southern christ you can get a quick consultation. So
I'm just going to quickly take it. I got my
foot out, but let's put gout to be it. I think, yeah,
there's both got to be you do what you need
to do. Highly corrupt me, hijacking this radio show just
from my own humiliating medical needs.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
To get well hopefully it's sort of out. There's a
lot of you. You take that photo while I just
pitch this on my Oh god, I don't need to
see that. But oh geez, that's a massive bunyon.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
It's not a bunyan.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
It's a lot of crystals that are formed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway,
send that to the doctor. But we'll put that one
to bed. Listening back to what we were going to
talk about, so let's have a chat about this. An
interesting quote from Sir David Beckham. Now he's revealed that
he's had a softer parenting style than his dad had,
so he opened up about his approach to fatherhood in
a recent podcast. But if you saw the Beckham documentary

(57:36):
that came out about eighteen months ago, you'd see that
his dad was pretty tough on young David. There was
one scene with Beckham's mother, Sandra. She struggled with how
hard his father, Ted was on David. Ted shouting off
and brought David to tears. And when asked of you
was too tough, Ted said no. I told him if
I told him how good he was, then he's got
nothing to work at. So when it came to David Beckham, himself,

(58:00):
he said. When it comes to his boys, and some
of them did spend some time playing football at the
Arsenal Academy, he said, instead of you, I go quiet,
and then the boys know exactly whether I'm happy or
not happy. But we're a family of love, support and praise.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Right, So you know, do you are you too soft
on your kids?

Speaker 10 (58:22):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:22):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty Is that a problem?
You know you're trying to make I guess it depends
you're trying to make super kids like David Beckham who
goes on to do incredible things. But he seemed quite
happy as well, doesn't he.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah, I mean there was certain I mean he mentioned
some really good attributes of his dad when it came
to the family life, and he's certainly a good footballer.
But when it came to his football playing, his dad
didn't muck around. There was no praise there in a
working class family. He didn't want David to get too
big of a hit, but clearly they had an impact
on a young David.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Yeah, I'm worried that I'm too soft on my kids.
And you know, we talk about the precipitation, participation, trophy culture,
that's out there. Everyone's told that they're amazing and then
they hit the real world and they discover that they're not,
and it's a rude shock. So you know, how different
is your parenting from your parents parenting? And how soft

(59:20):
should you go on your kids? And how hard should
you go on your kids? One hundred eighteen eighty has
have a chat about that and put the gut to bed.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Yep nineteen ninety two is the text. Headlines with railing.
Then we are taking your calls. You're listening to Matt
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Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Thank you very much, Raylan. So we are talking about
the idea of soft parenting. It was after Sir David
Beckham in a recent podcast said he's a lot softer
when it comes to his parenting style than his dad
was when it came to him. Clearly, his father was
pretty tough on David when it came to his football career,
not giving out that much praise. The quote was from

(01:01:11):
him in a recent documentary when he was asked was
he too tough on David. He said no, if I
told him how good he was, then he's got nothing
to work at. And that clearly had an impact on
a young David and actually an adult David as well.
But the idea of soft parenting, So the definition of
soft parenting is approach that prioritizers but that out tyler
emotional connection, respect and positive discipline over punishment and yelling.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Well, can't you do both? Can't you be? Can't you
be hard but loving? So I have firm expectations, but
be loving. But yeah, how hard should you go on
your kids? It's being soft actually hurting them? Interestingly enough,
David Beckham here, he's being very soft on his son,
and his son's not talking to him exactly. So Beca's
dad's been very hard on him. David Beckham and his

(01:01:56):
dad have a great relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yeah, it's a fair point. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call?

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Joy? How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 19 (01:02:05):
Hi?

Speaker 7 (01:02:05):
Does?

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
How are you gird your thoughts on softer parenting?

Speaker 10 (01:02:11):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:02:11):
I think David Becka, you know, his father did a
very good job with him, pushed him and pushed him
because David was a very average footballer, like very average
when he was sort of thirteen fourteen. But he his
father made him train and train and train and train
and train.

Speaker 22 (01:02:30):
He was hard.

Speaker 24 (01:02:32):
It wasn't for his father, he wouldn't be where he was,
all right, you know, he he just he just worked
hard that his father was pushed and pushed. Now the
thing is David hasn't done that with his kids. So
his second oldest son, Romeo, so you're talking about he
played for Arsenal when he went't called Frank Bob very
average player, very average, but David built him up well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Well I mean, I mean, I mean average. But to
even get to that level, he has to be pretty
spectacul do you think there was mainly.

Speaker 24 (01:02:59):
Jeans so you know, so you know David got him
in there, blah blah blah. And David just wasn't hard enough.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
He didn't make it.

Speaker 10 (01:03:06):
He didn't make.

Speaker 24 (01:03:07):
Romeo train harder. I believed he was good.

Speaker 9 (01:03:10):
He wasn't.

Speaker 24 (01:03:12):
And the thing is that you know, I've got kids
where you've got you've got to give them a you
can't give them a full sense of security. So you know,
you've got some parents and I just can't stand my John,
he doesn't get in third team. I just said he
no now, no love. And they're like, oh, what's that rough?
But you know, you've got you've got to be honest.
As long as they're enjoying it, if they want it,

(01:03:33):
it's got to come with them. You can't tell them
that they're great.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Now. There's an interesting thing that's happening nowadays, joyce. So
I've coached a bunch of teams, young kids teams is
my kids are kids teams as my kids have been
growing up. And we once got this text in the group,
you know, the coaching parents WhatsApp, and it was a
mum saying, how come my son hasn't one player of

(01:03:56):
the day yet. It seems to be the same kids
winning player of the day all the time. And I
was thinking, because your kid hasn't been player of the
day yet. So her assumption was that every kid gets
of the day in a rotating basis, as opposed to
because they've earned it. And that put me in a
very interesting position.

Speaker 24 (01:04:18):
Well that's it, and you just got but you've just
got to be tough. You've got to show other parents
tough love. It's just not about the children getting tough love.
It's about being you know, you can't just say, oh,
your kid's great, your kid's great, when it just it
doesn't do them. You goodge, it really doesn't. And luckily
Live Hopitives on the absolutely loves basketball, lives and breathes it.

(01:04:39):
A couple of years ago he was finding about thirteen
and he thought down place for the NBA said, you've
got to get your butt out there and start treating
some hopes a lot more than what you are, much
better than you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
There is a genetic side to it, though, so you
have to have something to say basketball. For example, if
you're tall, if you're great and you're tall, you're going
to do better than the person that's great and short,
if you see what I'm saying. So, no matter how
hard you are on some kids, they just don't have
the jeens like you talk about David Beckham's son's label
to have pretty great football jeans. And maybe if David

(01:05:14):
Beckham was harder on him. But no matter how hard
I am on Tyler Adams over here, he's never going
to make the NBA because he's too short.

Speaker 24 (01:05:21):
You wait, mate, you wait, No, you're right, But you know,
there's one interesting thing you just said. And there's a
kid at a high school moment who's the shortest and
he is that good. But his father is extremely hard
on him, like twenty four to seven training and extremely
hard on him. But he's also the teachers of saying
in the parance and he could be the next cut
out of New Zealand, like the state next Steven Adams.

(01:05:42):
Now he kid might have a massive growth spurts. It's
still fourteen, but he is extremely good. But it's that
discipline and you've got to have that hard nosed sort
of attitude as a parent. If you know they're good
enough and you've got that there in them, you've got
to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
M good on you, Joy, Thanks be cool. I mean
there was Spud Weird, wasn't there famously? So he was
only five seven and he was a professional basketball player, yep,
and you know he'd dunking champion. You know, he'd a
bunch of dunking tournaments.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I think Muggsy bogues Beck in the ninety ninety five
Chicago Bulls. He was a short man. He got into
space jam actually, but maybe he was a bit more
of a you know, they made a joke about it
a poor old muggsy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
This Texas is firm, but fear is good. But it's
mum who was hardcore and not their father.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Interesting was it Beckhams mum that was more hard core? No,
Sandra was lovely. I think Ted was the hard ass.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
But but my point is that you can be lovely
and heart so you can have firm expectations and you
can be brutally honest with your kids, right, but you
can also they can be very sure that you love them,
if you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Yeah, it's a balance though, isn't it. I Mean, look,
there's been a few techs talking about Tiger Woods, for example,
and the Williams sisters, King Richard and the are the
very famous examples of parents that were incredibly, incredibly tough
on their children. And you've got to say for Tiger
that's affected in most of his life. He's become arguably
the greatest golfer in history, but he's got some stuff

(01:07:11):
in his brain that is, you know that he does
not like about that period of his time where his
dad kicked his us on a daily basis. So you're
never going to be good enough.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
But I wonder if you put it to Tiger Woods,
What would you prefer it to be different and you
didn't turn out to be incredible because I mean, Tiger
Woods was famously on the TV show That's incredible when
I believe he was four and just kicking ass as
a golfer. So you know, potentially he had a great
amount of genetic talent because you know, the training kin'd

(01:07:39):
of been that big part of his life there. But
I wonder if you'd give up everything he had. I mean,
of course, the struggles he's had and the yeah, he
was definitely a difficult dog to keep on the porch
with his first wife.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Was it was yep, yeah he's straight.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
But I wonder if you'd give all that up for
a nicer, more loving, stable father son relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Interesting question, Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty
keen to hear from you. What is the best approach
that you have as a parent to get the best
of your children? Is it soft or is it a
harder Approach'd love to hear from you. Nineteen nine two
is the text. It is seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Said, be very good afternoon, she you It is fourteen
two three. So we're talking about the idea of soft
parenting or parenting styles that may have differed from your
own parents. This is after Sir David Becker mentioned in
a recent podcast that he has a softer parenting style
on his children than his dad had with him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Now, I was talking before about a situation in a
sports team WhatsApp thread where a mother asked, how come
my son hasn't received the Player of the day yet
when all these other kids have, some of them more
than once. Yeah, So her assumption was that you got
it in order, and this six says, hey, so what

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did you do regarding the Player of the day. If
everyone gets awarded, what's the point now? Yeah, so what
did you do?

Speaker 9 (01:09:08):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
It had to be the person had to player of
the day. Doesn't mean it was the most skillful player,
the person that put the most effort and it did
something amazing. So if that kid really gave a thousand
percent and really showed improvement, then you can get Player
of the day.

Speaker 9 (01:09:23):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
But you couldn't just get it because it was your turn,
especially when that mother didn't bring the bloody oranges that
on one day when she was supposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
That's job One's your only job. You've got to break
the orangin. But that's an interesting points solated. So if
that kid was terrible at what was there? Do you
want to mention the sporting question? It was football football.
So if that kid was generally terrible at football, but
that one game and he's never got player of the day,
but that one game, you see he's he's had a
marked improvement, but he still wasn't the best player. Would

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that still be enough to say, hey, actually, you've you've
kicked bart for your skill level, We'll give it to you,
even though James over there, who's always been the star player,
was again the best.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Yeah, but the truth is, tried to sub this kid
on once and he was playing in bloody Creek at
keith A Park.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
He definitely doesn't deserve that McDonald's endurger player of the
day who was making a damn in the creek. Two
is the number to call. There's a couple of people
mentioning Andrea Egassy and again another example, it's a lot
of examples in sport where Andre Agassy, he obviously had
another father who really pushed him hart and that relationship

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was complex. He did mention in his autobiography that he
loved his dad but also hated him at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Yeah, well, the Joe Jackson situation has coming through a
little bit with Michael Jackson. So Michael Jackson one of
the greatest performers of all time, I mean, incredible singer,
incredible dance, incredible musician. Yeah, pushed really really hard by
his dad Joe Jackson and fetch me a switch stick.
Whenever he did anything wrong, he had to go and

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pick your own stick and then bring it in and
he'd whack you with it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
You got to say, Michael Jackson very successful, but not
without his demons.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Very troubled, very very troubled.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Not without as problems in life.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
So I think that's where the balance is that I
I sink with people like and I you know, I'm
psychoanalyzing here, But you get a lot of those very
successful people and they become in life people pleases overly
people pleases because they never got that praise that they
probably should have got from their pearance when they were
doing so well, that they're so eager to get that

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praise in general life because they never got it as
a child. So you know, even though you have a
some like David Beckham who is one of the greatest
footballers ever out of England, is it really worth it
as a dad to then look at that guy and
think you've got some trauma and some problems in your life.

Speaker 9 (01:11:47):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Yeah, I mean there's two ends of this, isn't there.
You go really hard on your kid and you get
an incredibly successful, you know, talented superstar, but they're a
crazy person that gets their nose changed so many times
they basically turn it to the fend of the opera. Yeah,
or you're really nice to a kid and then they

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are up having a very normal but very happy life.
Then which would you want? I think every single parent
would go. They'd want to have their kid to have
a normal but happy life with a healthy family life
and friends and all that kind of stuff. But maybe
never makes you know, never never makes it to levels

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of any kind of fame.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Your thoughts on hard and soft parenting?

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Yeah, I think like for me, I have the twelve
and ten, both boys, so I'm I'm gen X and
I'm Asian, so you know, I use both ways hard
and soft. So it depends on scenarios. I think, like
you know, if they do something really wrong and then I'll.

Speaker 10 (01:13:14):
Just go hard.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
And and then when it comes to sports, uh yeah,
like I love basketball. I grew in basketball. And then
like you said, SPARKWHEB was my hero. So and and
as for the kids, they watched the later you know
what is the new new players and all that, and
always tell them no one you know what I mean,

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And you just got to work hard for everything, like
everybody are the top dogs, worked really really hard, like
Michael Jordan worked really really hard. So work on the
ore shootings and all that stuff. And they play football,
so so I think it was real hard for.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
It awesome and and so does that come down to
being honest, So if they haven't played well or they're
not up to it, or they're not achieving.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
Yeah, Like my my youngest one, he always thinks highly
of himself and I said, no, don't do that. Like
he's like, oh, you know, he's such stuff that it's
just not good enough. You only ten yourself, Like I
can switch better than you're like, you know, just give him.
They the fact that it will always be someone better
than you do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Do you lead that, David? You know, if they say
I don't want to go out and practice today, would
you say not, We're getting out there, I'm coming with
you and we're going to do it together. Is that,
you know, work for motivation to say I'm gonna do
this as well to show you the value of hard work.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
It's it's it's more of a reverse. So he will
who will grab me and let's go play one on one?
And I need to do some training and all that,
and uh yeah, sometimes I just because I'm really tired
of her, I'll join you later maybe, like you know, yeah,
it's the other.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Way around, do you see, you see to get an
older and a younger son, is that great?

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:14:55):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
And because some of the greatest sports people all time
have an older sibling that goes really hard on them.
And they can ever beat their older sibling and under
that quadron of competition, they end up being fantastic. Is
that a situation you're in now.

Speaker 25 (01:15:10):
With the Uh not not yet, but uh he the
youngest one will push the elder brother to instead. Right,
So the youngest one was quite a cocky one, so yeah,
and uh so I So I tend to like slowly
and then the brother, the elder one was just was just.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
Like like feeling losing out, so he was just training himself.
And then I just hop in and guide him and
teach him.

Speaker 9 (01:15:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Do you think it is a cultural thing you mentioned
your Malaysian? Is there something about the Malaysian culture an
Asian culture in general that there is quite a bit
appreciation from ap pearents on the kids.

Speaker 17 (01:15:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
Yeah, that's why I tend not to because I was
brought up that way. And yeah, I didn't really enjoy it,
you know, like you know, there's no answer, you know,
you do not ask questions the typical you know, just
do it and blah blah blah. Yeah so I I, yeah,
I lean soft on that one. And while when it
comes to discipline, I'll discipline them properly.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
So yeah, and had you balance that with making them
know that you love them, David.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
Oh, I think with smaller things like that they kind
of know and like every morning were just like yeahs.
Agents don't go like, oh, good morning, give them a case,
good night, give them a hug and all that. You
don't do it. So I do that to my kids.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
So yeah, no on you, David, thank if you cool?
We keep this check going, shall we?

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Absolutely?

Speaker 11 (01:16:31):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Hope you having a great Friday after no seven past three,
and we're going to carry on this discussion we're having
about soft parenting versus going about hard on your children.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
But we had so many calls on the best way
to parent your child and this is on the back
of David Beckham, Sir David Beckham, who mentioned in a
recent podcast he has a soft parented approach where his
dad was a lot harder on David than he is
on his own children.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
The stick says, I coached my boys rugby and cricket
for twelve to fifteen years and they never got Man
of the Match and they still remind me every time
it comes up. Cost me a fortune at Donald's Mackett.
I mean when I coached my son at cricket. You
know he was he was a bowler primarily when I
was umpiring, he would there would there was never an

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LBW and it would annoy him. It's like that was
backpad right in front of the middle stumpy. I'm I'm
your father. I can't give an LBW.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah, there's no nepotism here, son, Like I got to
are going to go hard on you, harder than the
other kids.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
I think that's the care, the key we coaching way
as this textas says market, you're almost harder on your kids. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Yeah, it can't be a sniff of being conflicted that
you've been.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
You can't be there on you. You can't be giving
them player of the day when you're the coach.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Pure corruption. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties number
to call.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Brandon, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on hard and
soft parenting?

Speaker 14 (01:18:34):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:18:34):
See good?

Speaker 16 (01:18:35):
Hey guys, Hey, so I don't really know if it
was it was hard or soft parenting the way that
mum and dad had done it, But especially growing up,
we were big into our swimming and Dad would ask
us a question after every event we'd done where he
had said, we'll be proud of our effort, and if

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we gave him and we weren't proud because we hadn't
won or something, he would come in there and tell us, hey, lot,
you've got to okay what I saw wrong, this is
what we can do better. That's what we do it training.
And then he was hard on us at training, making
sure that what we'd talked about at the race he
had drilled into us training, right, you need to do this,
this is what you need to focus on. So he

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was soft parenting at the time of the event, but
then he was hard on the training, making sure that
we were trying to correct what we you know, to
make ourselves proud of that next event that we were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
So I was sorry, you carry on.

Speaker 16 (01:19:34):
So yeah, it was good because then he would praise
us when we said no, we were real proud of
the effort he had come through and say, absolutely fantastic.
Let's keep doing what we were doing at training. Let's
carry on that and you know, and he would praise
you for it. So here was a bit of soft
parenting in there as well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
What if you praised yourself and you hadn't achieved what
you're supposed to do, how did that go down?

Speaker 15 (01:19:56):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
I don't.

Speaker 16 (01:19:57):
It was so so long ago, but I feel like
he would still push hard at training so he would
know what we were missing. So whether it was a
stroke was out or something, or even at hockey, you know,
if we hadn't done enough running, he would push us
to make sure we're fixed, or he'd push us at
those trainings too. He sort of watched over us and

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saw what we had, what we were missing, so he
would push that at training anyway, but I think it
was more so we understood as kids that he was
proud of us as well as us being proud of ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Yeah, and what's your relationship with your dad now, Brandon fantastic.

Speaker 16 (01:20:40):
I couldn't ask for a better fare than he's. You know,
I've got a two year old boy and he's the
best grandfather to him. And yeah, yeah, I look up
to him still now and the ways that he trained
us as or taught us as, because I'll be pushing
that onto my children. And it was hard. There was

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hard love, but there was also a lot of times
where it was soft love and it was Yeah, it
was a nice family environment.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Well, how good he sounds, great, dad? And how far
did you take swimming?

Speaker 19 (01:21:12):
Well?

Speaker 16 (01:21:13):
I ended up getting injured quite badly, So I gave
up quite a bit when I was about fifteen, and
I never really got back into the right mindset. So
then we started doing other things, focusing on other sports
where my mind was still in it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
What kind of injury stopped you from swimming, Braiden.

Speaker 16 (01:21:34):
I thaw a ligament in my shoulder. I was doing
a training exercise and I thare a ligament in my
left shoulder and talk about six months with acupuncture to
come right. But even now I still if I'm doing
something at work and I lifting or anything like that,
I can still feel pressure on that point. So I
don't know if it's actually fully healed now. And that's
what I'm twenty eight now, so thirteen years later.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
And that wasn't from being pushed too hard, was it.

Speaker 16 (01:21:58):
Braiden, I don't know. I wouldn't have said so. It
was just a normal training exercisey, just to help build
the muscle.

Speaker 10 (01:22:08):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:22:08):
I was only a kid, you know, fourteen fifteen, so
it was helping build that muscle for those strokes that
needed the muscle, like the butterfly. It was a butterfly train.
Oh yeah, yeah, so it was where you needed to
up strength. And as a kid, Dad was doing what
he thought was right to help build the muscle to
continue MMM and obviously something that we had done wrong

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had I just got injured from it and my mind
left the game. So they were happy with me to
not continue. But it was Michael and they just yeah,
said if you don't want to do it anymore, then
you don't have to let's you know, let's focus on
the next thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
So your dad pushed you recently hard and he was
honest with you. But did you always know in your
heart that he had a lot of love for you?

Speaker 16 (01:22:52):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah. I never had a doubt
that he didn't love us, because I've got three brothers
as well, and he treated all of us the same.
Yet it was hard love, as I say, like out
on the sports field or at training, or if we
were doing something dumb at home, but wrestling with your brothers,
you know, he would really be hard on you. But
a lot of the time you'd sit at the dinner table,

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all six of us would sit at the table and
we'd talk. You know, we had no phones, we had
no TV around. It was all just that was your
family time. And you can just tell the way he
talked to you, the way he even talked to Mum
as well, like he just knew that he loved the family.
But he was hard.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
And so you said that, you know, you've got it
was two year old son, you've got now, Braden? Is
that your only child?

Speaker 16 (01:23:36):
Yeah? It is it is at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Yeah, yeah, And so you you know, do you do
anything differently than your dad or planned to do anything
different than your dad did with you.

Speaker 16 (01:23:47):
No, not not as such, just maybe spend it. I'm
trying to spend a bit more time at home than
what he did as we were growing up, because we
didn't really see him until we're about ten or eleven.
He was just working. I'm gonna stay at home, mum.
So he was just working and we never saw him.
So I'm trying to change that and spend a bit
more time, actually have the weekends at home rather than

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being away doing the extra hours. But I mean that's
just because we put ourselves in a spot to be
able to do that. My wife and I had sorted
a house and stuff before we had a child, making
sure that we were financially stable to be able to
bring kids into the world so we could give that
good family life.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
Yeah, it's a bit of a catch twenty two with
previous generations where they thought that they had to work
really hard to look after their family, so they were
putting the extra hours out of love to make the
family succeed. But at the same time of them being
away from their family and missing out and maybe not
being able to give that part of it of time,

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which is a very precious resource obviously.

Speaker 8 (01:24:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:24:50):
Yeah, and we find out even with my wife, she's
a paramedic, so her shifts are crazy all the time,
and she misses out, especially in the first probably when
he was about one run.

Speaker 9 (01:25:02):
Threat to now.

Speaker 16 (01:25:02):
So the last year she had really missed out on
seeing lots of developing moments from him because she's at work,
she's sleeping or you know, and that is a part
on her because she's missing all these Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Yeah, well, Brandon, you sound like an awesome dad. Thank
you very much for giving us a buzz.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
Yeah, all the best. Oh, poor Bexy, says Nathan. Your
dad pushed you to succeed and become a millionaire. My
mate got bashed so hard he became a jailbird. No
sympathy here, buddy, Yeah, to be feared to David Beckham,
Sir David Beckham, he's actually hassling himself a little bit,
doesn't he. So he's saying that he's been too soft

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on his kids exactly, And I'll tell you what millionaire
is really undervaluing. Yeah, the position Besi's anis he? I
mean between her look between multi between him and Posh
Spice they're they're they're pulled in a good wage over
the years, haven't they.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Heck, he's not sure to cash. Just trying to find
a recent so about four hundred and fifty million bucks?

Speaker 25 (01:26:03):
He did?

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
All right, he's done pretty good. He's really good. Dead Yeah,
posh and becks Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call, keen to hear about
your parenting style when it comes to your kids. Do
you go hard to try and get the best out
of them? Or is there a balance? Nine to nine too?

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Is that text you's talks it'd be it's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Nineteen past three, so we are talking about parenting styles
going a bit harder or is it soft? What's the
balance when it comes to how you parent your children?
I one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
James, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 10 (01:26:35):
Good?

Speaker 8 (01:26:35):
Thank you man?

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Yeah, your thoughts on this, buddy?

Speaker 8 (01:26:39):
So I've got a little bit of a different perspective
because I went to world championships and won national championships
and everything of my chosen sport.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
So kind of got what was that sport, James?

Speaker 8 (01:26:52):
So triathlon and cycling championships that was a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Now but impressive ever.

Speaker 8 (01:26:59):
Managed any any real level of fame. But I guess
from my perspective when I think about this, the dry
just has to come internally from the kids in order
to be successful. And I think a lot of parents
that push their kids with an eye to success have
a very limited knowledge on just housein that wedges at

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the top of sport. In most sports, like even getting
to the Olympics. In most sports, you're already in like
the point zero one percent of your sport, and then
then I don't know, from a public perspective, getting a
silver or bronze, some people think is a bit of
a failure. But at that at that level you're in
the you're in such a such elite company and getting

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to that stage, like for me anyway, there was a
period there where I was training twenty five thirty hours
a week and it comes to a point where that
has to be self driven and it's a holistic point
of a way of living as well, in terms of
you on your recovery and nutrition. You sleep everything that

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can't and to be successful you have to have a
long career as well, so burnout and injuries as your
last call is seared, like if you're push too early,
too young, Yeah, you can spiral pretty quick and burn out.
So I think a hard parenting school. Sure there's guys

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like Beckham and and Tiger Woods that come out the
other side of it, but they're an exception to the rule.
And even the guys like who you think might be
goofy and heavy go lucky is a deep seated selfishness
to a lot of sports people that the public don't see.
So yeah, you definitely don't. There's definitely there's a lot

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of glorification of that as being successful, but when you
scratch the surface on it is, Yeah, there's there's a
lot that go into it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
That's an interesting thing, isn't it. That's a really interesting
point you make there, James, Because we see an athlete
and they want a gold medal in the whole country
celebrates them and we go, you did it for us,
you did it for New Zealand. Amazing, But in a
way they they did it for themselves and they were
very focused on themselves to get there.

Speaker 8 (01:29:28):
Yeah, and the amount of time and some of these
sports that people have to spend, especially if you're in
a sport that requires you to compete in Europe or
wherever for most of the year, that's months away from
your family, a very like spart and like existence. You
have to be. Yeah, and if you've got daddy issues

(01:29:52):
or whatever from earlier on, or you've been pushed so
hard that yeah, you sort of get an injury and
you're out because you your body hasn't been built up
for it, then yeah, I think you have to be
super careful. And when you look at a kid like
Sam Roost who's the Tracks star, I think the way
he's being managed by his father and his coach, you

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there's there's real knowledge in that camp around how how
that progression works in the most healthy way. So I
think when people actually have experienced, when parents have experienced
around that elite mindset, that that's a that's a massive

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advantage in the kids camp.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
So yeah, now Jame's looking back at you know, how
how you were pushed and how much effort you put
it into sport and you know obviously took it to
a high level. How do you think that set you
up for adulthood and you know, you know, living life
outside of that kind of high level of training in sport, Well.

Speaker 8 (01:31:03):
Yeah, I operated it. Yeah, I've been relatively successful in
my career so far, and that's in a corporate setting.
But I think it's the discipline in that self drive.
But I also think that having seen that selfish aspect

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and in that side of it as well, I think
there are people in the corporate world who, for team
building exercises or whatever, will get in like a gold
medal willing athlete to speak to their team as some
sort of team building exercise and and think that these
people are the greatest thing since slices bread. But they

(01:31:44):
don't understand sort of that that other side that I
talked about, And so having understood that, I think that
makes me more compassionate in a work sense than probably
if I had, then some of these people who I
think become workpace psychopathity. The way to success is just

(01:32:07):
to be absolutely cutthroat and ruthless. Yeah, And that's probably
that in some respects, probably mirrors. Yeah, what some of
these real high end athletes are like in real person
then when you meet them, and sort of that don't
meet your heroes kind of thing, I guess, and some
some respects.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
But the discipline and the discipline and the ability to
put in the hard yards that that you obviously had
when you were younger, whether that was put into you
by your parents or whether it came from you innately,
has helped you to succeed in business. Just just the
ability to work hard.

Speaker 8 (01:32:46):
Yeah, that's healthy, I think. But yeah, I think just
like engendering that real cutthroat piece you've got. I've got
an eight year old son and he's innately I wouldn't
call him super competitive, but I'm trying to engender like
more of an enjoyment aspect. I think that's kind of

(01:33:06):
where you get longevity and anything you do, and that's
where the discipline comes from. Is like the genuine, authentic
sense of enjoyment in something. And yeah, I think that's
far more healthy. And getting that discipline harm is really
finding that reason why you want to do something as

(01:33:28):
opposed to being having it forced upon you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
When we talk about the selfish nature of some of
these you know, highly you know, intense training programs, et cetera,
and success, how much do you see parents living vicariously
through their kids in this Because you have to be
careful when you're a parent that you're not pushing your
kid really hard, and you know, having a tough love

(01:33:53):
approach on them because you want their success to reflect
well on you. How much of that do you see, James,
Oh yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:34:02):
Heep, yeah, And I think that's sort of where I
sort of see that split between parents have been there
before and parents who haven't and trying to and the
way that they push their kids. You can push your
kids super hard at twelve to fifteen, but there's no
awards for being the best in the world at sixteen seventeen,
like you want. If you want to be at the

(01:34:25):
top of the game, then you then you have to
advocate that wants to still be doing it at twenty five.
Ye And that's sort of where the pitfall is. And
I think that's where going back to Sam Ruth, his
father Ben kind of got to that level and he's
started training Sam only around twelve, and it's and you

(01:34:46):
can see it's more about the enjoy getting that enjoyment
factor in there and taking it slowly, slowly, not really
punishing a child early on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Yeah, James, thank you very much. A great call. It's
just you know, it's that whole thing that that failure
is not an option. And look, Dad pushed me pretty
hard when I was He pushed all up but was
pretty hard. But yeah, failures, failure is going to have
to everybody, and it's how you deal with that failure.
You want to achieve, but everybody's going to fail, and
I think to James point, there's a couple of people

(01:35:15):
out there who reach dizzy in heights, but failure is
still not an option and that's kind of that's trauma
rather than success.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
That's why this is such a great text. On nine
two nine two. We never tell our boys off when
they get a bad result, but we will definitely blast
them if they don't give their best.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Yeah, nicely Pott. It is twenty eight past three.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news Talk SAIB it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Is twenty nine to four. Couple of texts on nine
two nine two.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
My dad was hard love but always giving us adventures.
Mum was wonderful, but Dad was security and adventure. He
solved every problem, provided for us amazingly said this says
this TEXTA schools in New Zealand teach avoidance of competition
and rather joint teamwork and accept failure. You show is
disturbingly poor without experts on the show that should be
closed out. I agree, Rope, agree Rob that this show

(01:36:10):
should be shut down.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Should have been shut down a long time ago, but
for some reason they made us keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
I absolutely agree. And where's the tough love? Yeah, this
is this whole bloody show. Tyler participation trophy read us
like David Beckham. Yeah, so so many texts coming through
on this. This one is really good. What about Ivan
clar he always putting his son Nathan and the team
and giving him Player of the day. Give someone else ago.
I was watching the twenty twenty two NRL Grand Final

(01:36:37):
on an international flight. Love that you can watch live
sports on international flights now, and that moment when Ivan
and Nathan hugged was so beautiful. The love and the
respect for each of them pulled a tear to my eye.
Just hard work and wholesome stuff and the respect between
each other. I mean, that is what we're talking about.

(01:37:00):
It it's very best. Yeah, you know those two great
great chin as well.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Yeah, beautiful chin. Great discussion. Thank you to everybody who
text on that one. But stand by coming up the
moment everybody's waiting for New Zealander of the Week will be.

Speaker 10 (01:37:18):
Deuced.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
Talks at be headlines with.

Speaker 17 (01:37:20):
Blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.
Thousands of frustrated health workers are striking and force around
the country over what they're calling shameful offers. They say
they're staffing and pay concerns haven't been addressed. Top up
holiday payments have been made to more than eighty three
thousand current Health and Z workers. Health and Z has

(01:37:42):
paid out ninety three percent of the current workforce owed
hundreds of millions of dollars after holiday pay had been
calculated and distributed incorrectly. Another milestone for police and customs
stamping down organized crime at Auckland Airport, Operation Matatah has
seen more than six hundred kilograms of meth and one

(01:38:03):
hundred kilograms of cocaine seized. Firefighters are working for a
second day to extinguish a blaze at a high rise
apartment complex in Hong Kong. The death toll has risen
to ninety four calls for information after a Hamilton man
was seriously injured and what police believe was a targeted
shooting on Sapphire Place in Chartwell overnight. Simon Dellow's final

(01:38:26):
hour the rise of a six pm TV news man.
You can see the full story at enzed Herald Premium.
Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
The Matteath and Tyler Adams Afternoons New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 26 (01:38:42):
It's time once again for the Matt and Tyler Afternoons
on z B New Zealander of the Week. A hugely
prestigious platinum level award cobbled together by me at home
before I come into the city on Friday. Each week
one exemplary key week we have talked about on the show,
who has had an outsized effect on our great and
beautiful nation will win this award, and by someone. The

(01:39:05):
truth is the winner is often not human or even
as always there'll.

Speaker 5 (01:39:10):
Be two runners up, but only one lucky winner.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Who will it be?

Speaker 5 (01:39:14):
Without further piiting around, here's the second.

Speaker 26 (01:39:17):
Runner up for the Mahea and Tyler Adams Afternoons New
Zealander of the Week. On a busy, busy Fendleton Road
in christ Juice this week, a safety vested hero did
a wholesome thing between a sea of road cones and traffic.
Video of this roadworker shared by Chris Lynch stopping traffic.

(01:39:38):
So a mummy duck and her ducklings could cross the
road has warned.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Cold hearts nationwide. Sure it held up traffic.

Speaker 26 (01:39:47):
Maybe we need to ask some questions around the quality
of parenting ducks are giving their kids taking.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Them out on the road in the first place.

Speaker 5 (01:39:53):
But unnamed christ Church duckling saving road worker. You are
second runner.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Up for New Zealander of the Week. Moving on to
our first runner up.

Speaker 20 (01:40:05):
Yeah, there's always plenty of gold around in these.

Speaker 21 (01:40:10):
A yellow beauty has been quietly hiding in the Wellington
Hills for millions of years, but now in twenty twenty five,
suddenly Long Gully is the most talked about patch.

Speaker 5 (01:40:21):
Of sedentary rock in the country.

Speaker 26 (01:40:25):
There are prospecting bids everywhere, new companies rushing in and
to say the Resources Minister is visiting at the bung over.

Speaker 21 (01:40:32):
These precious metals would be a gross understatement.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Wow, keep my knees and call me a wagon wheel.

Speaker 5 (01:40:38):
There is absolutely positively gold.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
And then there Wellington Hills. Forget the economy destroying Golden Mile.

Speaker 26 (01:40:46):
And welcome the gold rush Wellington Gold. You get silver
in this week's New Zealander of the Week.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
And for whatever reason, this afternoons when it can't fulfill
their duties of New Zealand of the Week, The Gold
and Wellington's Hills will be asked to undertake the appearances,
sash cuttings and parades required of the Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams on z B New Zealand of the Week.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, there can be only one,
and here he is.

Speaker 26 (01:41:18):
He swam one point nine bike ninety and ran twenty
one k every day this month.

Speaker 5 (01:41:23):
All while working as a frontline cop.

Speaker 21 (01:41:26):
That's fifty seven k in the water, two thy seven
hundred k on.

Speaker 26 (01:41:29):
The bike and six one hundred and thirty three a's
on foot.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
A Canterbury officer completing.

Speaker 26 (01:41:36):
A half iron Man every single day in November to
raise money and awareness for the excellent men's.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
Mental health charity better Man.

Speaker 5 (01:41:44):
What a Man?

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
What a Charity? What an Officer?

Speaker 26 (01:41:46):
Get on board and support the cause at betterman dot
org dot nz slash mission.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
You've got a quiz on at Eden Park tonight too
if you want to go for turning.

Speaker 26 (01:41:55):
Endurance into advocacy and pushing your body to the limit
to help other men's minds.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Christ Church Cop Mick Johnston.

Speaker 26 (01:42:03):
You are a great New Zealander and you are than
mahe and Tyler Adams Afternoon New Zeander.

Speaker 27 (01:42:09):
Of the Week take it away, Howie Morrison, great one

(01:42:34):
and a special treat.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
We're actually going to chat to Nick Johnson next.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
How good the issues that affect you and if it
have fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons used talk sa'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
It is seventeen to four, So christ choose police dog
handl An Armed Defenders Squad member has pushed himself to
the limits of his physical and mental endurance for a
great cause. Consortable Nick Johnston has been completing a half
marathon half iron Man, I should say, every single day
in his own time for the entire month of November.
He's doing it for Better Man, a charity on a

(01:43:06):
mission to help boys and men become better usions of
themselves mentally, emotionally and physically. And he was this week's
winner of New Zealander of the Week. He's on the line, Nick, congratulations.

Speaker 9 (01:43:18):
Oh, thank you an absolute honor. Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
So Nick, what exactly is a half marathon and where
did the idea come from to do one every day?
In November, so starts.

Speaker 9 (01:43:29):
Off with a one point nine k swim and then
a ninety k bike ride and then a twenty one
point one k run to finish the day.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
Sparrow, It's crazy how much how much training did you
have to do to prepare prepare for this, Nick?

Speaker 9 (01:43:45):
Oh, The specific training block for this was about six months.
About six months work went into trying to get the
body ready as much as possible to complete the month.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
And you've already completed your half iron Man today, haven't you?
For the day?

Speaker 9 (01:44:00):
Yes, I have finished about half an hour ago. She
was a hot and windy one down here and cross
it today, so it's grateful to be finished.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
You sound pretty fresh considering he just completed at thirty
minutes ago. So what has been the toughest part of
it for you?

Speaker 9 (01:44:14):
Nick?

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Was there a couple of days that you think, jeez,
this is full noise?

Speaker 9 (01:44:19):
To be fair, early on, probably between day three and five,
I was just having a bit of troubles getting all
the food on board, which because obviously they have to
be eating quite a lot to fuel for the day
and then the next day, So that was the biggest
concern really early on. But then once the gut caught
up to what we were doing where we were away laughing.

(01:44:39):
So yeah, it's it's actually gone quite quick, but I'm
pretty happy. There's only two more days left to.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Be on And what about injuries? Must have been a concern.
You have to must have had to be very careful
that you didn't you know, into yourself on day fifteen.

Speaker 9 (01:44:54):
Yeah, yeah, no injuries. I've been well looked after by
the team at Motus out here on Lincoln Sosysios have
been giving me a massage of your day so that's
been awesome to keep me going. But I've been pretty lucky.
The body is held together reasonably well. I've had a
bit of a battling a bit of quad straining for
the last week, but just been managing that and managing
to get through the days all right. So yeah, hopefully

(01:45:15):
the quad can hold together for two more days.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
What does nutrition look like when you're undertaking something of
this magnatu?

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
Do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Have you got I take it you're pretty dialed in
on what you should be eating and checking in your body.

Speaker 11 (01:45:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:45:28):
Yeah, I've pretty much got the same stuff each day,
a lot of OSM bars and some pure gewls and
stuff like that. But yeah, there's plenty of food being
eaten in between each discipline and yeah, I've got it
pretty dil in now. So yeah, I'm eating a lot
of calories, so come one day, I'm probably going to
have to cut back on the pies and the people young.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
How has this been working with your day job with
the police.

Speaker 9 (01:45:56):
I've got a month off work so and my dog's
been looked after by one of the training sergeants, so
yeah that works. Been bloody good with leave and yeah,
looking after my dog and support as well. Plenty of
our colleagues coming out and come with some runs and
bikes has been awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
I have good on them. And your dog must be
missing you though.

Speaker 7 (01:46:15):
Right do.

Speaker 9 (01:46:18):
Yeah, I'll starting misimachs. Are we good to get him
back on the first? Looking forward to seeing him again?

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
And for you, mate, why is better man special to
you or why did you want to raise this cash?
I understand you know clearly men's mental health is a
big thing for for a lot of us, but there
has been some family ties to it as well.

Speaker 9 (01:46:36):
Yeah, yeah, so obviously just through work and had lots
of friends that have struggled with mental health issues and
also got a younger brother actually, who has struggled with
mental health throughout his adult life. So yes, it's a
cause debt of my heart. And I think the Better
Man Boys, the way they go about their businesses really

(01:46:58):
sticks out to me. You know, they get guys together
and have some fun, but also weave that mental health
message in, which is a good way for some blokes
to open up better than sometimes sitting in front of
a shrink. So those guys do a great job. So
that's the driver behind it, to raise some money and
some awareness for their awesome charity.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Well they're great New Zealanders, fantastic and they've got it.
They've got a bit of a quiz on at Eating
Park tonight.

Speaker 9 (01:47:24):
So yeah, sof that goes well for them.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Betterman dot org if you're you're interested in that. Speaking
of mental health and mental strength, strength, So when you're
facing something like this a half iron man every day,
how do you how do you chew off the bits
of it? How do you how do you keep going?
How do you keep your mind? And how do you
keep in charge of your mind? Because I imagine the
calls to just pack it in must be big from

(01:47:49):
some parts of your brain.

Speaker 10 (01:47:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:47:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:47:51):
To be honest, the brain, the mind's been pretty good.
As I said, I've had heat of support from work,
so I haven't had to do a hell of a
lot of it by myself. That's probably That's probably the
main when you're there. But now I've had at some
moments where I've been thinking, oh, this is pretty hard
or I'm getting sick of this. But as I've said
in the past, like that moment is nothing compared to

(01:48:12):
what some blokes go through when they're you know, when
they're struggling behind closed doors and not opening up. So
when I start thinking like that, I'll just give myself
an upper coat.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
And you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
So Nick, you've got two more half iron Man's to
go to complete the month. What are you looking forward to.
What's the first thing that you'll do when it's all over.

Speaker 9 (01:48:32):
I think as soon as I crossed the finish and
I have to give my wife a big cuttle because
she's been the legion holding the four together at home,
and then and then it'll be straight into a couple
of Frosty's I think a few years.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Yeah, good man, good Man, Hey, it's a fantastic if
you're doing just quickly. Just did you ever see that
documentary Iron Cowboy where a guy called James Lawrence was
trying to do something similar to you. It's I mean,
you're you're clearly a freak when it comes to doing
this sort of stuff, and so is he. But I
wondered if that was a bit of inspiration. This was
a guy who tried to do I think thirty iron

(01:49:02):
Man's in thirty.

Speaker 9 (01:49:03):
Days, so he actually did one hundred full iron Man
in one hundred days. But so he he takes the cake,
But there's actually buy in the UK who broke his
record a couple of years ago, did one hundred and
five four Imans in one hundred and five days. So yeah, yeah,
I was following him and that was the inspiration behind
like doing the half Ironman's. That was the inspiration behind

(01:49:27):
the idea of the raising money. And obviously I've done
a few trifles, so I thought I'll give a crack
and what's the worst that can happen?

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
So you're raising money, where are you're sitting at on
your target? And how can people chepin?

Speaker 9 (01:49:42):
So yeah, we initial target was fifteen thousand, but we
hammered's past that, so now we're looking at thirty for
thirty so hopefully thirty grand for thirty half Ironman we're
sitting at I think could tack under twenty six thousand
at the moment, so hopefully a big push in the
next couple of days and get those donations up. But
if anyone does want to donate, they just have to
go to either better Man dot or bons or just

(01:50:05):
go straight to Give a Little and type in Nick
Johnson and the link. You should be able to find
the link to donate there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Yep, great stuff, Nick, You're a legend, and thank you
very much having a chat with us, and go well
for the next couple of days.

Speaker 9 (01:50:16):
No, I appreciate you guys having me on show and
yet or some things for that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
What a great key with that is Nick Johnson, a
christ Church police dog handler who is attempting thirty half
hind Man's every single day for the month of November.
So those websites again, just go to give a Little
dot co dot nz and search Nick Johnson or Betterman
dot org dot enz and we'll get that interview up
and give you those websites as well. Right back in

(01:50:41):
a mote. It is nine to four.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons US
talks THEIRB.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
News Talks there B it is six minutes to four.
Thank you so much for listening everyone. As always, we've
loved ad Chats today.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
It's been a great old time.

Speaker 24 (01:51:01):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
We get so many great New Zealanders calling into our
show that each week we choose a caller of the week,
and this week we were talking about the abuse and
Auckland counselor faced and whether we all need a thicker
skin when weighing up what is fair criticism. Then Jeremy
rang in and he's got plenty himself as a community
board member that thrives on it.

Speaker 12 (01:51:17):
That's quite satisfying when you can respond in a professional
and you're sort of upholding your integrity, but at the
same time you're kind of I think people in their place.
It's the truth. I kind of get a kick out
of it because you know that those people that are
abusing you online, they're abusing you anonymously, they've got no
grounds for any of the basis of what you're saying.
It's just say you're always just going to get those people,

(01:51:38):
but I can find it oddly satisfying responding to those people.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
It's hugely infuriating to be They talk about the rock
that isn't moved by the river. You're just sitting there
being yourself, being professional, doing the right thing. There's nobody
to come.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
Back, so true.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Yeah, wow, what a great man. And speaking of great
New Zealanders, hither dup to see Ellen is up next?
Our podcast is out in about an hour. But right now, Tyler,
my good friend, tell me why am I playing this song?

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Great tune, but I've got no idea mate, while you're
playing it. Wow.

Speaker 26 (01:52:07):
We were talking about pushing kids, and no one is
a better example of the risks and rewards on pushing
your kids hard like Joe Jackson pushed Michael hard and
we all saw it happened. What a great song released
in nineteen eighty eight off the album bad Man in
the Mirror, A call to change the.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
World by first changing yourself. Joe Jackson probably needed to
take a big long look in the mirror. Tone Yeah,
awesome joys.

Speaker 5 (01:52:30):
Anyway, you seem busy, so we'll let you go go.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Liam Lawson go Black Friday and until Monday, I have
oh give him a taste of Kiwi. From us, your comboard,

(01:53:11):
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