Full Show Podcast: 02 December 2025

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Hello you Green new Zeller's Welcome to Matt and Tyler
Full Show Podcast number two five five for Tuesday, the
second of December. Boy oh boy, I would say, boy boy.
But the the chat we had on transplants donors and
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who had passed it donated, that was some emotional stuff.

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Powerful. Yeah, no, no, genuinely some stories that will make
you become an organ donor. Yeah, pretty pretty fast.

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in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
News Talk said me, very good afternoon to you. Welcome
into Tuesday Show. I hope you're having a pretty good
day wherever you're listening in from, but we appreciate you
listening in your what makes the show what it is.
So thank you get a Matt, He.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Get a Tyler, got a great new Zellas And Tyler,
I'm just looking at you, and you've got a furrowed brow.
You've got a You've got an issue. I've got some
problems worrying.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yeah, yeah, so it is. It's a big worry for
me because it means it's probably going to cost me
some money. So I've got you are tight. I am
super tight. So I was. I was upset this day
was going to come. And now the day has come.
So I bought this new vehicle three years ago and
it's stunn me well and and nothing major has gone
wrong with it. But the day has finally arrived that

(01:52):
I have to go take it in for a warren
of fitness. Right, So, brand new car you get, you
get a warren of fitness for three years. Then you've
got to do whatever every normal person does and take
it in every year. But here's my first question. I've
got a couple of questions here. Why you put together
your man shake? That looks very nice. By the way,
you're very good at multitasking.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Sorry, Tyler, No, no, that's right.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I know you were taking it all.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
No, I'm listening closely, but I'm just putting together my
manshake that I have at this time of the day.
But also I'm trying something new. I'm putting instant coffee
in with the manshake to try and make a hybrid
coffee man shake.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Okay, is that why it looks like liquid death at
the moment?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
It doesn't look good anyway, Good luck for it.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
And so first question is, because I've got this warranty
with the new car, do I have to take it
to a midsum issue service center to get that warren
of fitness nine two ninety two. You let mat down
on the gap thing, but usually you're pretty good. So
is that part of the warranty that I have to
go take it to those guys to get the warrant
of fitness? Because straight up I don't want to do
that because usually they're pretty pricey and I don't know,

(02:51):
they just do a few things that I just don't
know are needed.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Well, what's the term for it? When you take it
to the dealership, you know that that you get your
service done at the big places. Is a word for it?
I can't remember what it is.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
There is a word, and I'm in that trap at
the moment. So because the other double whammy is it's
time again to take it into a service for forty
five thousand k or three years. So I've got to
get the warrant of fitness. Then I've got to get
the service check. This is going to cost me thousands,
I just know it.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
So listeners, they'd be interesting to know whether the you know,
all the what do you call it, the warranties count
if you go somewhere else. Yeah, I mean I've always
I've always taken my cars to the place I bought
them from, right the dealership I bought them from. As
a result, I pay so much more for a service

(03:36):
than anyone. I know.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
They crank the charges insane, they do that list of
things they do.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
But at the same time, there's some kind of feels
like you're keeping in line, everything's in line with what's
going on, and you're keeping everything going. And then I
normally get my next car from the same people. Anyways.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, yeah, So my final question, if you've got a
mechanic in Auckland somewhere central that you know is a
good sort, it's not going to stitch me up, then
I need to hear from you. Nine to ninety.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I heard an ad. Tell me if I'm right or wrong.
I think I heard an ad on ZB this morning
for fifty dollars warrant somewhere.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Oh jackpot, I'll take that. Fifty puck warrant fitnesses. Yeah, okay,
we'll listen out for that. That's a good I'm pretty
sure it was on this station.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Well, that is credible that you know, we don't just
let any old muppets throw our news dogs there, b
so you can trust that that's going to be a
good deal. But nineteen ninety two, if if you know
a good mechanic. Just before we get to the topic
at hand, I think, Greg, have you got to tip
about the service agents.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
What you were talking about? Do you have to go
to a Mitsubishi franchise that's the word you were looking
to talk. Yeah, yeah, no, No. If it's a warrant,
if it's a new car warranty scenario, then yes you
do go to Mitsubishi. If it's a new car and
there's a problem and it's under the warranty, then yes
you do. As far as a warrant of fitness, why.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
You like jackpot. That's what I wanted to hear, Greg.
So that's not going to my tenure warranty.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
I don't think it's going to cost your thousands. I
mean you say you brought this new.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, the tires are getting pretty bored though, Greg, and
you know I've been I've been seeing pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's not about the warrant to keep your tires from
being bored. That's up to a being a responsible person
on the road. You don't just check your tires every warrant.
You check them constantly for safety.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I mean most of the treads there, it's just right
on the corner where I clearly favor the right, gregs,
So I'll probably have to do something about that.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
Well, you didn't mention the tires, but forty five k's
you're probably out for us of tires and if it's
worn unevenly and it compromises the safety of the tire,
then you've got to replace it. So I would budget
on four tires.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Okay, Yeah, I don't want to hear that, Greg. Four tires.
That's instantly over a grand.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
And you've got a big battery in that car, don't you,
So that it really punishes the tires. Yeah, because it's
an ev half the time, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
I would say with your oil and film warrant, you
won't shouldn't bething wrong with a cat that's only three
years old. You're probably looking at about four hundred bucks
four fifty plus your tires.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Okay, all right, I'll take that on the chin.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
Greg.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
That's I was not wanting to hear that, but that's
that's fair. Are you a mechanic yourself?

Speaker 6 (06:20):
Are you? No?

Speaker 5 (06:21):
I went from at subushi. I sold cars from a
subushi for about ten years back in those days. It's
nowt but and and things would go wrong with with
cars that generally don't go wrong now. So but no, mate,
don't stress on. That's Tony money Sonny.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Hey yeah, Greg, I've got a supplementary question for you.
And look, this is a sort of vehicle related but
is there still a vet up up the pole on
Bridgeman Street Pals?

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Yeah, My cars going there next week to get fixed sexually. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
And then they've still got the vet up up the pole.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah, they've got a little bit about the pole you
have to need.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I am Tylers Nelson, but we're.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Both Did you go to Belle mcewn Intermediate. I did, Yes,
did you have a teacher by the name of mister Henderson.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yes, I did, mister Henderson, Hindy with your.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Nickname of stunt man, mister Henderson, great man. I'm not
sure Harry got to be a teacher. He might have
got this qualifications, but I mean he's a legend in
this town. He is nicknamed stunt Man.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
That's right, But mister Henderson, how could I forget? Hey,
thank you someone, Greig, You're awesome. Not only do you
have advice, but a nice walk down memory lane for
Matt Heath and Bell mckown intermediate alumni. Always great to
talk to them.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, how good, And thank you to everyone who teakes
with recommendationing for a mechanic.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
You can tell us December how far this shows off
the rails.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, very lucy goosey today.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
But we love it.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Right, Let's get into this one because I've already had
so many text about it. Obviously, the government has proposed
a rates kept kept for counsels up and down the country.
So Prime Minister Christopher and said yesterday or implored councils
to I quote stop doing dumb stuff, as he announced
that and your rates increases will be limited to between
two to four percent. That's calculated using typical inflation and

(08:19):
economic growth levels. There were some exemptions possible for councils
and extreme circumstances disasters and the like, but that would
require permission from a government appointed regulator and also need
to set out a plan to return within that band
of two to four percent.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, so Christopher Luxon suggests that the councils stop doing
dumb stuff. And examples of dumb stuff he put up
was the incredibly expensive toilets in Wellington with the fleshing
lights on them.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yep, not a bad one.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
So I guess what he would say is just like,
if you need a toilet, simple bog, no fleshing lights,
just make it functional and let's get on with it.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
But what do you think the dumb stuff is that
councils need to cut out? Because personally, I like a
statue you do a big fan of boom boom and topel.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
It's a good step.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
So I want counsels to do more stuff than just
the basics. But also I don't want insane rates increases.
So what do we want? What do we want to lose?
What do we want to keep? Our one hundred and
eighty ten.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Eighty nine two ninety two is the text as well,
And I'll tell you what. I've just printed off my
rates deal rates list, So sometime over the next forty
five minutes, I'm just going to go through and highlight
some things I think are dumb.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in there that I
think is done. But that's that's coming up. But taking
your calls on know eight one hundred eighty ten eighty
what is the dumb stuff council needs to stop doing?
It is fifteen past one.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
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Speaker 3 (09:52):
It'd be very good afternoon to you. So we're talking
about the rates cap proposed by the government. To our
Prime Minister Christopher lax And said, councils need to stop
doing dumb stuff. What is that dumb dumb stuff in
your eyes? I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call this?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Texas is eleven million dollars for a library and graymouth
seems excessive considering our population is thirty thousand.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Eleven million dollar library sounds very flush for Greymouth. I
love a library me too, But many.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
People going to libraries now, isn't it primarily just I'll
be interested. I haven't meant to a library for a while.
To be here, actually know I have. There's a fantastic
library and cross Church there is that library that was
controversial that way because people thought it was too flair.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
It cost a lot of money. And you know that
beautiful screen I don't know if you saw it when
you winter, and that you can touch and you go
through the history. That costs one point three million dollars.
So people wear upset about that.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, it is an interesting thing because people build stuff
and it's beautiful and we love it. But can we
afford all this incredible beautiful stuff. You take the city
rail Lincoln Auckland, for example. It's you know, people are
texting and said, you haven't even been in it. It's beautiful.
I've been in it. It's beautiful. It's like I expect,
it is beautiful. But you just have to ask yourself

(11:05):
if a city of one point five five million like
Auckland can afford a five point five billion dollar, the
most expensive infrastructure of its type in the world ever,
plus two hundred and thirty five million dollars a year
to run it, even if it's successful. So the fact
it's beautiful and it's going to make the city better

(11:27):
is one thing. The other thing is what we could
have done with that money if we hadn't done it.
But also is it too nice? Is it too fresh?
Do we need to get the two out of five
star instead of the five star?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah? What other priorities or what should they be? Tony?
How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 7 (11:43):
I'm very well, thank you.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
What don't you like in terms of council spend?

Speaker 8 (11:49):
Yeah, I was saying that I'm not entirely sure as
the weather they're responsible for it, but I know that
a huge chunk of the rates go towards roading, and
it always urged me driving along motivays where you see
all this. Why are cabling? Why are barriers on side
of the motivates which are stopping you for going into
places like an empty field? And to me, I would

(12:13):
rather if I got distrected going through an empty field
and hit those barriers. So you've got no doubt. Hundreds
of thousand ladies of kilometers of these barriers that to
me just waste the money.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
There is a lot of them. I don't know how
much of that is as you say, I don't know
how much of that is counsel and n z TA.
But I know the ones you mean. You mean those
steel cable barriers. Yes, they kind of work though, don't they, Tony.
I mean, I've never been in the situation where I've
had to bounce off one of those bad boys, but
I mention.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Not good if you're on a motorwhike.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah good pointe cheeze cutters under yeah, yeah, but no
doubt they have a purpose. But I mean, do you
need it to prevent you from going into a paddock
for example, it's a good point.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
You're probably safer in the paddock than bouncing back off
and into the other lane.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
So the odd person that ends up in the paddock,
then for your yes, skid through the paddock, then you know,
give the farmer a ring, fixers fence, you know, return
your sods and get on.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, got a bad one to.

Speaker 8 (13:18):
Driving on the mobile now. And I noticed that in
the section and going out Papa away, these wire barriers
on both sides of the medium stript or they for
the plataff are coming north as well as going up.
Surely you only need one.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, well, thank you for you call. Tony. Appreciate that
this business. Says todong As City Council nine million dollars
per year to rent their building.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Is that true?

Speaker 3 (13:44):
That is a heck of a lot of rents.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Let's look that up totong As City Council rent That's
crazy money though, wasn't it for a place like torong
Oh which is beautiful? Nine ninety two is the text
if you want to send a text an oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, we're keen to hear from you.
What is the dumb stuff that council was spending their
money on that you'd like to see?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Cuts the sex It says for your information, Matt, the
flashing lights cost two hundred and thirty thousand dollars. So
I mean that is an example of the dumb stuff
that the Prime Minister is pointing out and his opinion.
Those bathrooms in the middle of Wellington that cost half
a million dollars and with flashing lights that they probably

(14:27):
didn't need. The flashing lights. Yeah, if it's true that
those fleshing lights cost two hundred and thirty thousand dollars,
you have to ask yourself when you are asking your
poor rate payers to cough up the money for it,
whether you really do need two hundred and thirty thousand
dollars worth a lot?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeap spot on. Now, just before we hit some place
of messages, can I just list one thing I've seen
in my rates bill that I think they can get
rid of done in christ Church. It's going to be controversial,
but I don't think rate pays should be paying for this.
The Herotage Art Center. So there's two dollars eleven cents
a year that I pay out of my rates to
go to the Herota Dart Center.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
But I'm serious.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
I mean a little bit tongue of cheek here, But
when it comes to something like motet or the arts center,
should that really be subsidized by everybody? Shouldn't that be
that if you want to go see it, you pay
your ticket price to keep it running. But the very
fact it's subsidized by everyone? Is that a fair way
to operate a council operation?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, what exactly is the heritage Arts center.

Speaker 9 (15:25):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (15:25):
What do you got in there? Tyler? So you've it's beautiful.
I'm looking at a picture of it. It looks great.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah. So I think there's an old movie theater in
there that you've got to pay full price for. Anyway,
you've got an ice cream shop? What else do you
have in there? A cafe? I don't think there's Oh,
there is a sculpture. There's a couple of sculptures in there.
I know you're a big fan of sculptures.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
I love a sculpture, but well, some sculptures I don't
like all of them, obviously, But so what is its remit?

Speaker 3 (15:49):
It is heritage value. So that was that. So it
crumbled a little bit in the earthquake, which is you know,
fair enough, it needed to be repaired, and it cost
a lot of money to repair it. But is that
really up to me as a ratepayer to fork out
for that if I don't go and visit it that often?
Isn't that for rich benefactors who like things like heritage.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
With over seventy thousand objects across our properties, we have
one of the largest domestic and social history collections in
at in New Zealand, says the site, so.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
It sounds really good. But again, look, I like driving
past it when I'm down in christ Church. But do
I need to pay two dollars and eleven cents a
year but for the repair of the Heritage Arts Center.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
But doesn't a city have to protect its history. It
can't just be the here and now forever? Aren't there
Isn't there something to that that that we honor, you know,
the city and its history and stuff, and we can
you know, isn't that an important resource.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
For a lot of people? It is, and they should
pay for it, But both for people like me who
just want my rates have gone up in christ Chute
fifty percent over four years. And I'm not seeing any
more rubbish collection going on. My water isn't cleaner, or
the pressure hasn't gone up, you know, they're not even
MoMA burns. But I've got to pay for the Heritage
Arts Center and the christ Church Cathedral.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
It's pretty nice Heritage Arts Center, though, Tyler.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's pretty lovely in summer. I'll give them there. I'm
taking your calls on n. One hundred and eighteen eighty.
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Speaker 3 (17:59):
Twenty eight pass one as the Prime Minister see yesterday,
what are the dumb things counsel need to stop spending
money on? In the aur maintain that they reduce their rate.
So eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Call, Hi, guys, Napier population sixty six thousand, U civic
center being built, library slash council chambers combined one hundred
and ten point five million, utterly scandalous in my opinion.
Cheers Roger Shapers. Christ just wastes money on raised speed
bumps and intersections. Everybody I know has navigated intersections their
whole lives without speed bumps. I do not understand. Can

(18:34):
someone explain to me? I don't understand why pedestrian cross
rings need to be raised by the time you hit them.
You know, you're already going at whatever speed you're going at. Yeah,
So can't they just be I mean, I know a
lot of people have discussed this before, and I think
even Wayne Brown the Auckland Mirror suggested it shouldn't. Pedestrians
costings just be some white paint and then and the

(18:55):
black paint comes from the cover of the road.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
The blank color for the zebra crossing comes from the rope,
right yea.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
So it makes a lot of sense in a couple of poles, Yeah,
because I've got it down in christs Now where they've
raised at intersections with lights. Where's the rationale? I mean one,
where's the rationale? When it comes to history sense.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
But I mean it might look cool and it's nice,
and if you're a really really really wealthy city or country,
then maybe you're going to have these really really beautiful
bits of infrastructure. But if you're expected, you know, the
poor ratepayers to cover it all, then then you know
you've got to be You've got to be responsible and
maybe go for not the most expensive option that's out there.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
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Speaker 12 (19:31):
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Speaker 7 (19:31):
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Speaker 13 (19:32):
I did try it. Noodle with a king Chi and
the cheese there was delicious.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Oh I'm glad to hear. Where did you get the
noodle with kim chief from?

Speaker 13 (19:43):
I think one of your announcer editor, I think he
gave me the recipe.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
He was young, Wow, who is this?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Who is this recipe giver? Was that Andrew on the phones?

Speaker 13 (19:55):
I think so yeah, yeah, no, he I mentioned noodle
and he said try that. I said, okay, I will.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Love about a kimchi?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
What this is great?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
And tell yeah, we're going to find out who did
their recipe and handed out to everyone.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
But what about council? What what about things that you
don't think the council should spend too much? So much
money on.

Speaker 13 (20:17):
Money I think that Hunter Wassa was one of a
downfall right in sunder Ray. Hardly anyone goes there, and
it's not very well kept either. Have you heard about that?
Hunter was saying fund.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Ray the art center.

Speaker 13 (20:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was there a couple of a
couple of weeks ago and hardly anyone there. You know when,
oh gosh, when was it built? I don't even remember.
I think I think it's built about ten eleven years ago.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Do you think that cities should be more than just
practical infrastructure, you know, drains and such, and that there
should be some money spent on art and culture.

Speaker 13 (21:09):
I think they should improve the road from Auckland to
fungar Ray and then people from fung Auckland could go
down to go down to live up that way and
build some business and stuff. Right they are they are
trying to buy people in one Ray out to build

(21:29):
a road, which is a great idea. But those people's
lives are on hold, really, isn't it. They can't they
can't sell their property or they can't move because if
they do, they say, oh, you know, the council is
going to buy the KATAI is going to buy the property.
So we don't want to spend money, you know. Yeah,

(21:52):
so the US some investigation on that. See what's happening here.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Well, have a look for your Pravenna. But PROVENA not
a fan of the Honda user center up and fungar
A not too sure how much they cost and whether you're.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Just looking to this so I think it costs thirty
three million dollars and when it was built, I believe
I could be wrong there, just trying to trying to
look this up. I mean, yeah, I mean that, But
is that the difference?

Speaker 11 (22:24):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Is that buying building some arts centers and putting up
some sculptures and running some music festivals or whatever. Council,
is that the difference? Or is it their inefficiency when
it comes to services. It's a big part of it.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
But I think and look, I know I keep talking
about christ Church, but that's where I'm a ratepayer that
after the earthquakes, we were in so much trouble and
debt because they hadn't insured things properly, and the government
and the good people in New Zealand helped out christ
Church a lot, but we still had a massive bill
to pay. And then when they start buying up statues
for a million bucks and start pumping money into heritage

(23:04):
buildings that were going to cost hundreds and hundreds of
millions dollars to repair. Yeah, right, A lot of people
restrict and thought, hey my roadstool stuff. Hey is you
haven't come round for a month to click my rubbish.
Let's get the priorities worked out first. But I think
it's a fair point. A lot of people do love
art and that's a part of the vibrancy of a city.
But I know where the line is.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
You think it's a nice to have.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
I think it's a nice to have.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Tirely you'm up at the city. The Christich city countis
will pay one million a month for their building at
Hereford Street.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well that's good for the landlord. That's a good reckont
oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. What is the dumb stuff that the council?
Your council needs to cut out? Love to hear your thoughts?
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Speaker 3 (25:05):
Thanks he very much, Ray Lane. So the government's dismissing
concerns its caps for council will degrade basic local services.
The Prime Minister implored councils yesterday to stop doing dumb stuff.
So that's the question will put to you, what is
the dumb stuff you want them to stop?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, it's an interesting one, this Texas says. So everyone's
happy to live in bland, boring, beige towns. And that's
sort of my slight pushback on because Tyler, you think
that no art galleries, no statues, no council run concerts, festivals,
just the basics, just the drains.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
They can have them, but I just don't want to
pay for them. Yeah, you know, I don't want anyone subsidized.
If you got a motat motet's amazing, it's a fantastic place,
but don't subsidize it. Just pay full ticket price.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
But don't arts and beautification projects lift the liveability of
a city. And you could argue that civic pride means
people are more willing to do more for their city
as a citizen brings in in businesses, you know, and

(26:10):
I mean obviously there's got to be a balance. But
for a city to feel vibrant, it can't just be
a fully functional I know, behind the iron curtain kind
of city with just conquering that works perfectly for the
functions that are needed to live in the city.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
I just want to see what their budget is for
murals and artworks. Like in my house, right, my budget
for nice artworks is probably five percent away income. Wow,
maybe that's a bit high. It's a bit high.

Speaker 16 (26:43):
Maybe maybe three maybe three percent, but no, look but yeah,
I get that. But I think that the problem is
more an efficiency. So if I go to a nice hotel, right, yep,
then it's a business, right yep. But they still can
afford to have nice artwork in there. They can still

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afford to have a water feature, yep. They and they
make money because they're business than they're efficient. So I
believe it's the efficiency of councils is the problem, not
the art and the water features. So if you get
everything else more efficient, then you can have these things
and rates won't go up.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, but everyone knows someone that works at a council
that jokes around about how it's hard it is to
get anything done, how many meetings they're doing, and you
know how excited they are to do nothing, and how
there's no incentive to do things better. Everyone knows someone
that says that. I'm not saying that all people that
work for the council like that. I'm not even saying
the majority, but I guarantee most people know someone that

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works for a city council that has that chat.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
It's a job for life, isn't it. For most people
once they get their claws into a council operation, very
hard to pry them out of that because it's money
for jam for a lot of people in council. Do
you agree? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten to eighty, Alita,
how are you?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (28:01):
Ho there, I've just pulled into the save market, but
I'll take the call first. Yeah, I'm an Auckland council.
I love an apartment complex in downtown and this Christmas
tree that's apparently cost about a million dollars all up.
I mean it's beautiful in everything, but you know, I
would rather not have a rate hike, you know, in

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our rates. I mean, the tree is going to get vandalized.
It's I mean, well, why when when do they make
these decisions to make these huge purchases before rate payers
know about it or have a chance to comment about it.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Do you think there should be a Christmas tree, just
not a million dollar Christmas tree?

Speaker 17 (28:44):
Yes, it's deadly. A Christmas tree would be fine, you know,
but not not a million dollar Christmas tree. Apparently it's
I mean, it's going to get vandalized. Look at all
the homeless problem we have downtown, and and you know,
it's apparently cost a lot of money to store it
and then to erect it and take it down, so
that it'll cost money.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Is it the same tree, the same tree that they
roll out each year?

Speaker 18 (29:07):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
True, So it's a real tree. They must have it
in a massive pot. We talked about this yesterday. How
do you keep it alive?

Speaker 19 (29:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (29:16):
But no, it's a brand new thing they've just bought.
And I think I don't think it was around last year,
but it's definitely a feature this year. And probably it's
got these fantastic lights on it. But you know what, really,
you know, some people are really struggling with their rates,
you know, especially tens.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
But could you argue a beautiful, really flashed Christmas tree
in the center of a city, but can become a
thing that helps people celebrate Christmas and it makes them
go into the CBD to spend money at the businesses
and and therefore lifts the sort of lifts the sort

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of glamour of the time of year, and you know,
raises morale in the city.

Speaker 17 (30:03):
I'm sure, I'm sure you could have all of that,
but doesn't have to be that extravagant Ron'm saying. I
think it's an over extravagant spend. And you know, why
can't rate players have a say when they do this
sort of thing. It's like these these councilors that sit
in these meetings, maybe these decisions and then they just

(30:24):
do it, but nobody gets to vote on it today.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, I mean it's an artificial treat Tyler by the way,
Oh okay, And that makes sense. And it was new
last year and it is it is big, and it
is and is beautiful. And you have things like New
York where they have that giant Christmas tree, although that's
donated by Norway, isn't it And it's shipped in every year.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Yeah, fascinating.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
But these things, these things can be the center of
something really important and big and memories for young people,
and you know there is I can. Yeah, it's just
the price, right, yeah, I mean if it's itemized.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
I mean this is where I get hoisted by my
own petard that I'm okay with the Christmas tree, So
charge me for that one. But entry into motat no,
I'm not interested.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, thank you so much for your call.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number
to call A couple of teachs coming through User pays.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Aukland Council charge each household for a food scrappin that
most don't use. Those who want these type of services
should pay for them. I know, I know a person
that put the scrappin in their recyclingment?

Speaker 6 (31:25):
Who was that? Me?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
There's sixteen minutes to do.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
It is thirteen to two. So what is the dumb
stuff that council should cut out of their budget ahead
of this rates cat that's been proposed by the government.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
As far as rates go, I feel it should be
mandated water sewage roading waste after all that is covered off,
then and only then can they spend on things like
public transport, parks, pools, libraries, those things. Those types of
things should be mandated and put in an audit of priority.
All right, there you go.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call, Bruce? How are you?

Speaker 6 (32:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (32:14):
Good?

Speaker 21 (32:14):
Ay?

Speaker 9 (32:14):
Hey, you stole on my line there. I agree with
there's three hundred percent. I don't think we'd be having
this discussion if they've got those basics done in the
first place, people would be more flexible about it. We
shouldn't be having to choose a tree.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
Statues on sewage.

Speaker 9 (32:28):
Get the basics done first. Then there's a bit of
rigger room around the end for the knights to haves
rather than the compulsory bits and pieces. And I think
people have the perception the council have moved towards the
Knights to haves and are looking at the prices and things,
Whereas because they're disgruntled about everything else, what about.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
They're not, you know, the basics, but doing the basics
In a two, I guess we'll want a better word
flashway so you can do infrastructure so it works. But
then I think some of these projects that we undertake,
they've gone for the five star luxury absolute bonus version

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instead of then and the functional version. So for example,
you might want a pedestrian costing as I said before,
but why can't it just be paint on the road
that then you've done it, and then.

Speaker 9 (33:18):
I would agree, I agree ninety five percent. The problem
is that when you're doing a commercial the construction standards
are a lot higher than the residential So we all
look at some of these bills and say, hey, that's
over the top. But at the end of the day,
they do have to be built to last. So as
long as they've built to last in news, we don't
need to be the guilt edged or the posh PONSI one.

(33:42):
They don't need to win design awards. I'm not against
trying to add to the vibe of the city, but
get the basics right first. Then there's a bit more
rigor room and a bit more room to put those
other things on.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, it's interesting because I keep saying to people that
the city rail link cost too much for the side
of the size of the population, and what people come
back and say is have you seen it? It's beautiful?
And it's going to be amazing, And I think, yeah,
I'm sure it is beautiful, and I'll probably be really
impressed by it. But the question is can we afford
a five point five billion dollar piece of infrastructure and

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a city of one point five million that costs two
hundred and thirty five million a year to up to
just run it no matter how many people catch it?
And so you go, well, could was there a sort
of a not so flash version of what we could
have could have made?

Speaker 6 (34:29):
You know?

Speaker 9 (34:29):
Yeah, I love it. Malborough and molb has been through
that same process with a couple of very big libraries
and sure they're nice to have and they look great,
and government might central government might have helped with them,
and they might have won a few design awards. But
at the end of our sup poor rate pos paying
another twenty thirty forty percent of their rates.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, thank of you. Cool Bruce Aaron, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (34:51):
Hey, I really have to agree with Bruce there. Actually
I'm pretty much are on point, and so were you
with your comment. We've really got to get out of
the artsy ARSI stuff and g just get back to
the basic infrastructure projects. But gone to last and less
artistic fleaar at the end of it. If we can't
afford it's the same as you. If you can't afford

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to live at home, you count the budget. So what
do you do? Art Work comes to the last if
you have money left over by nice painting for rest
of it. But for rest of it, it's the same
as that at home. If you can't afford your budget,
you cut back the fluffy stuff. And I read an
article yesterday regarding the home and tunnel having a not
quite mainly scenario. But the home tunnel, we're putting artwork

(35:37):
into it. I'm going we've still got potholes in the
main highways and MZTA spinning on artwork down there.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (35:44):
Cool, nice tunnel, it's well every way if you sleep,
guests will get setters to go through the country.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
But beautiful.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
I meanwhile, walk the motorways still got potholes and rest
of the country is still scratching heads going, oh we're
going to have to drive around these yeah, spot on, Yeah,
like counsels.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I was just got to say that, I think that's it.
You know, I like going out to festivals as much
as the knicks man, But when you know, I can't
afford any more rates increases in crime. I'm sorry. Yeah yeah,
summer music festival for free for everybody over summer. It's
lovely and we all want, you know, the black seeds
that come down, but times are tight. We can't have
the black seeds this year. I'm sorry, but.

Speaker 7 (36:20):
Hang on a second, Hang on a second. Why can't
we open this up so we have community groups that
have better excess with LEAs red tape and least be
the way to actually run local events without having to
make them jump over hurd alls or buildings. In this case, well,
that is very hard to want to run something.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
That's a good point. It's really hard to run a
commercial thing. And then in some ways you're competing with
the council that are running their own thing.

Speaker 7 (36:43):
Yeah, well here you go. If you go back to
your Christmas tree of an Auckland for example, if we
have a caller just before, if you were to open
up to the local business association could fund a tree
if it's if they're seeing the advantage of people coming
in they can from a tree. Why do we have
to pay for the tree?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Well, they did pay for some of that. Do you
know what it reminds me of what Aaron's saying. There is
when I was a kid, we were going through tough
times financially, and my dad set me and all the
all my sisters down, big family yep, and said, you
know what, We're not doing so well financially. So now
fish and chip night on Friday. We're going to be
cooking sausages on the barbecue and I'm just bringing chips on.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Well, that's tough to hear. It is tough to hear. No,
it was great, Oh you're into it. Well, and I
still compromise.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Still had chips and we had sausages at a tomato sauce.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Just no no fish. Fish was off the meaning.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Hot dogs, no fish, no pineapple rings, no chops. Are
we patty? But there was, but there was still we
were still having fish and chip night. I didn't even care.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
So there's all councils need to hear. Just think about
He's family and fish and chip night. You can still
do it, just just the chippies, none of the fancy stuff.
Right back in the mow. It is seven minutes to two.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
and eighty tight It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
News DOGSB.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
News Dogs THEREB. It is four two. Great discussion on
the old rates cap and what is the dumb stuff
Council doing? So thank you very much to everyone who
called and text through on that one. Really enjoyed that discussion.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I feel we may not have sorted it out. No, no,
I think we'll go back to this topic in the future.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah, exactly right. Coming up next, we want to have
a chat about organ donation. Great story in the New
Zealand Herald. Have you done it or have you been
a recipient of organ donation? We'll team all very shortly.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Oh, this is the great Solomeo with little drum Boy.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Beautiful news is coming up.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Great New Zealanders.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
It'd be very good Afternoons. You welcome back into the program.
Really good to have your company as always. Now it's
going to be an interesting conversation. We want to talk
about organ donation. This is after a story that's in
the Herald right now. You can have a read of it.
But it's a story of a woman who went through
a bitter, messy breakup. Then years later she actually ended

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up donating a kidney to her ex husband's current wife.
So it was a rocky pass with his particular husband.
But this wife, when she needed a donation and they
did the DNA testing and found that she was the
perfect match, she put all of that messiness behind her,
stepped up and donated an organ to her ex husband's wife.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Beautiful, beautiful forgiving and moving on.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, it is a beautiful story, but it's a hell
of a thing. I mean, even in that situation, I don't.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Really understand organ donations. So I'd love to talk to
people in our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty people
that have donated an organ and people that have received organs.
I mean, there's a living donation, part of which I
guess is primarily kidneys and part liver transparts I believe.
I mean, when you're alive, it's you can't donate your

(40:06):
lungs or your heart obviously.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Get no, you need those.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
But but also with the organ donation. Because I'm on
my license, I I list myself as an organ donor,
but I only just recently found out I was. I
was talking to someone socially and she was working in
this field, and she was like that just having that
on your license doesn't mean that they immediately. I just
thought i'd be farmed as soon as I went down.

(40:30):
I thought they'd find me on the side of the road,
just farm me for my bits Yep, that's how I thought.
I was signy.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
What has he got there? It's still good to go?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, well leaves liver behind or I don't know about
that one about his lungs, Yea're not great. But there's
a whole process after that with your family and so
it must be so hard. I mean, it is obviously
famously hard for people to to get the organs that
are needed in the in our health system because of

(40:57):
the steps that you can understandably the steps that have
to be gone through to get these donations. But the
living donations is quite interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
It is if you have been an living organ, don't
I'd love to hear from your on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty, or if you've been the recipient, what
was the story behind that? Did you know them beforehand?
Because there is a lot of people out there that
don't necessarily know who is going to get their organ
They are just clearly some of the best people out
there that decide there's someone out there that needs my liver.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
So there's people that will donate just their their kidney.
They're definitely just into the system.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yep, yep. So they'll register with the organ Donation New
Zealand and if they get the call up and say,
hey there's somebody that desperately needs a liver and you're
a match, Wow, go for gold.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
What great people.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
They are stunning, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
I mean, well, is there any any loss of you know,
is there any health disadvantage for you at all to
to only have one kidney?

Speaker 3 (41:54):
It's a great question. I mean the famous instance in
New Zealand and I think you knew them, but Grant
Kittyama of course donated to John MoMu. Yeah, but I
imagine there is you know, some setbacks if you donate
an Auckland organ. I'd love to hear from you. I
eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Donating kidney does not reduce life expectency. Studies consistently show
that well screen kidney donors have a life expecting equivalent
to or even better than the genital population. Wow, so
it tends slightly to better.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
It takes you a good thing.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Well, I mean, I wonder if you went around feeling,
you know, good about yourself. Yeah, you know, you go, look,
I'm maybe a scumbag. I may have done this, I
may have done that, but I did donate a kidney.
It's a massive mental health boost, no doubt about it.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call if you've been a recipient or you have
donated your own organs, whether that was to family, someone
you knew, or indeed a stranger really keen to have
a chat with you. Nine two nine two is that
text numbers? Well back very shortly. It is eleven minutes
past two.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Research, including a significant study in Australia and New Zealand,
has found that the survival rate of kidney donors is
actually higher and because of the amount of investigation that
goes into you before you donate the kidney. It actually
because you know, you get thoroughly inspected before you donate it. Right, Yeah,
So statistically it's actually better for your health because you've

(43:19):
been you know, totally looked at and overhaul than anything
that's wrong with you will be discovered at that point.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
That is fascinating.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
So so you know it's it's both a very empathetic
thing to do, but some good, some good can come
back your way for doing it.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Should we sign up?

Speaker 6 (43:34):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (43:35):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? It is
eleven past two. You're listening to Matt and Tyler Good afternoons. Yeah,
they can't take your liver when you're alive. Your Muppets'
is don They can you can do partial living liver
of transplants. Yeah, take that don You can't do the
whole thing. We've done the research.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Man your muppet don.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons
call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

Speaker 20 (43:59):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Very good afternoon. So we are talking about organ donation
in New Zealand. If you've been a recipient or you've
donated one of your own organs, we'd love to hear
from you on O one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
The sixth is very admirable to donate a kidney, But
if you do that and you only have one, then
your kidney fails. What next if you've donated a kidney,
you on hire up the list for one if you
happen to need one. Imagine, imagine they'd go in there
when they're getting one out. And by definition, if you
can donate it, you've probably got real good ones.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, very true. Yeah. Luise, how are you hi?

Speaker 7 (44:35):
I'm good?

Speaker 21 (44:36):
Thank you?

Speaker 15 (44:36):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Very good? So your daughter was a recipient of an
organ donation.

Speaker 15 (44:41):
She was This is a great call for me to make,
but I want to make it because until you're in
that situation, you really don't have much idea. So my
daughter was seventeen and had a car accident and lost
her kidney function because being seventeen, unfortunately you didn't have
a seatbelt on. So for a few years she did

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something that's called TAPD through your perit and neal cavity,
a form of dialysis which is say it's life stating,
but it's quite complicated and it's restrictive. So she did
that and was on a kidney donational list for three
nearly four years, which is a short waiting time, believe

(45:28):
it or not. And after doing the dialysis through of
keratal neal cavity, which is cleansing fluid that it's fed
in like a drip. You can do it at home,
and then you have another shunt in your stomach that
drains the fluid that cleansed your kidneys out. So she

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did that for a while. Then she went on to
the dialysis machine every second day Wellington Hospital. So when
you're on the machine, it's life stating, but it's very
taxing on a body. And the day that you don't
dialize you're pretty unwell of time. So are you still

(46:12):
there listening? Good listening? And so what I want to
say is my daughter received a Cardi eric kidney, which
was a guest from some wonderful families loved person who
had passed away, and she had twenty one years with that.
She went on to study, she got married, she traveled

(46:36):
the world, and she gave birth to two beautiful children
who are now fifteen and seventeen. She's died, she passed
away five years ago. But I can't say enough the difference.
And so if you donate kidneys, two people get a

(46:56):
kidney each. You can live well with just one kidney.
I mean, if you respect it. You've got to be
careful with your diet and so she really looked up
through a kidney and she'd say to me, Mum, I
just love this kidney. So I think the crucial thing
is for people that want to donate to let their
families know that that is their wish, because a family

(47:20):
can say no at the time like it might be
my wish, which it would be on my part, then
someone in my family could say no. No one in
my family was because we know what a gift that.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Is, what a story.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Louise, Yes, hey, thank you so much for bringing in
and sharing that that story with everyone is very touching.

Speaker 15 (47:41):
You're welcome, and I didn't think i'd be able to
do it without breaking down. I do want to say
this for any person out there listening whose family member
has donated kidney or another organ. I know on my
family's part, but from my oldest dad, who was eighty
eight at the time, right down to the littlest people
in our family, like she had younger brothers, we never

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forgot that. Do you know the person that donated.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
With well, I mean amazing that your daughter had that
quality of life after that donation. I'm so sorry that
she passed, Louise, But as you say, I mean having
that conversation with your family if you do pass and
to say it's important to me that if I can donate,
please please allow the doctors to do that is a
big thing.

Speaker 15 (48:28):
Absolutely, and we don't have enough like people, sometimes people
die waiting and it depends on you, I think, sometimes
on your age and your health. And they do a
lot of really special testing to make sure that it's
really a very good match to Sue and otherwise. So yeah,
it's one of the greatest gifts that you could ever

(48:49):
give if you were if you felt like it, you
could do it.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Absolutely. And Louise tell us about the tell us about
the children.

Speaker 15 (48:58):
So that fifteen and seventeen just a couple of weeks ago,
and yeah, she passed away five years so they were young.
But I've just I've just had the fifteen year old,
my granddaughter down for a couple of weeks and it's
just such a joy that we still have a part

(49:18):
of their mum and the kids both there's lots of
lots of likeness, likenesses to their mum. Yeah, so they
and they really are miracles. Really, they were little miracles
of modern medicine.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, And that donation led to them, which is allot
which which is just an incredible, credible thing lead to
their beautiful lives as well.

Speaker 15 (49:45):
Yeah, and so what I nearly broke down before. So
what I'm saying is that for a family whose loved
one has donated, there's never a time on the anniversary
of when my daughter received that Christmas Birthdays, Mother's Day,
or we brother's day. We don't know, and we don't
know who the donation was from. So I don't want

(50:08):
able to think that. I'd say most people remember with
gratitude and with love that other family.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Louise, thank you very much for giving us a call.
It was what an incredible story, and thank you very
much for getting that message out.

Speaker 15 (50:25):
Thank you, Thank you a lot.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Wow,
I mean that shows.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
You know, that's that's strange. That's something I've never really
thought about with the donation because then it can lead
to these other beautiful people that wouldn't exist, and then
who knows, you know, that might lead to more people.
So your donation can can do generation or good.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Yeah, yeah, what an incredible story. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number to call if you've been
an organ donator or a recipient, I should say I'd
love to hear from you. It's twenty one past two.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on youth Talk.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
ZB twenty four past two.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
This texter says, Hi, guys, I'm not an organ donor,
but let Louise know I will change that status after
hearing his story.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Good on you. Yeah, incredible story from Louise.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Amanda, you are a donor, you have been a donor?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Yes, Hello, very nice to chat with you. So tell
us the story.

Speaker 22 (51:26):
Okay, so about nine years ago I donated to my
brother who had end stage kidney failure. So it was
quite a quick process. I was called in to do
all the testing. Turns out we were a good match,
so it was fairly straightforward, informed of all the risks.
I looked into it myself, of course, so obviously looking

(51:48):
into the long term out that was important for me
just to understand that my life would also be quite
normal and I'd be able to live a normal, healthy
life with one kidney. Dietary wise, is not really any
major restrictions beyond just generally making sure that you're eating well,
protecting your remaining kidney. By drinking lots of water, you're

(52:10):
obviously avoiding unnecessary strain, not going out, you know, starting
to kickbox or anything like that, do something that might
damage your your remaining kidney. There's certain medications you need
to stay away from, like neurofine and things or in
dates which can damage a kidney. But aside from that,
it's it's really just general good advice. Keep you know,

(52:33):
good exercise, don't smoke. I still drink, so I have.
I have an odd drink and I enjoy that.

Speaker 21 (52:42):
Lots of water.

Speaker 22 (52:43):
Just maintain caution, and I have regular catch ups with
my specialists down at the hospital. They've there every year
now and so far, so good.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
So tell us about the amouna good on you, by
the way, that's a lovely thing to do for your brother.
Tell us about the actual operations. So they're cutting you
open and taking your kidney out for a start, that
must be quite a reasonably I'm looking for a word
that's not terrifying but intimidating thing to go through. So
how was that and how was the recovery afterwards?

Speaker 22 (53:15):
So yeah, I mean what happens is my brother stays
in overnight and he gets prepped first thing in the morning.
I turned up at sort of six o'clock in the morning,
and I do prepped and ready, and I think what
happened is we're pretty much in rooms next to each other,
not in the same room, but in rooms next to
each other. So while my kidney surgeon is working to

(53:38):
remove my kidney, they actually go through the front rather
than the back, which is where the kidneys are, but
they go through the front. So there also needs to
be a vascular surgeon who will start to do all
the remove all the bits and pieces of blood, vessels
and things and put things in place. So there's two
specialist surgeons working away on you. And then once a

(53:59):
kidney out, I think it's I think it's simple as
pulling it out and literally taking it into the next
room and putting it straight into my brother.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
It's such an intense thing. Yeah, it's good. What what
did he say to you when you first said you
would and what did he say to you after you
had he had your kidney in him?

Speaker 22 (54:19):
I think for what I the first thing I noticed
was his energy levels. Really, he was pretty you know,
down in the dumps before all this, I think literally
from the moment that kidney went in, his energy levels
rapidly increased. He looked better, he lost that yellow look
about him and the sort of dark eyes and things

(54:40):
like that. So his energy levels increased. Obviously in pain
from the incision and things like that. So it's not
all clear sailing from that point on, but he's only
you know, gotten better since and to this day, his
specialist is still very happy with how everything's going and
has just said, you know, you're doing really well and yeah,

(55:01):
and for me again, you're just yeah, like any operation,
there's a you know, six weeks of recovery. Also, they
recommend don't do anything too strenuous, bit of light walking,
but yeah, once the incision has healed up and things,
you can pretty much get back to normal life.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
So how did he express this gratitude to you?

Speaker 22 (55:24):
He's he's a man of not very many words, but
I think deep down he was very he was and
I'm sure he is very grateful. And you know, everyone
else in our family, my other brother and you know,
my mum and my father, and I'm sure everyone is
very grateful.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Yes, absolutely incredible, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 22 (55:46):
But he's yeah, he's doing really well.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
When you look at him, now, do you find their
eyes sort of heading over down to where you where
your kid is and there you are.

Speaker 22 (55:56):
Actually, yeah, we keep keep forgetting it. It's sort of
you know, it's been at some time now, so you
almost forget. But we do have a little family joke
that you know, he's got lady parts in him.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Well, I mean, it's interesting you talk about his mood
because you know, my understanding is that the kidney has
quite a lot to do with vitamin D, which is
really good for the mood. So you know, when when
it's not working, then then you know, but then it
can obviously a lack of vetamin D can lead to
misery as well as obviously the the health issues that
were coming through. So yeah, you've done a really, really

(56:32):
wonderful thing. So so good on you.

Speaker 23 (56:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 22 (56:35):
Yeah, No, that's great. And for my brother, I think
it's you know, he has to be on anti kidney
rejection pills for the rest of his life, whereas there's
nothing specific that I need to do. That's different if
I decide I want to take a new supplement. For example,
I was looking into aShw gunder the other day or
something like that. I actually just speak to my specialist

(56:56):
or I pop down to the pharmacy and just ask them,
is the all right to me to take this particular
one because you don't know what will affect the kidney
and what why, So it's just being careful.

Speaker 15 (57:06):
So yeah, so life.

Speaker 22 (57:07):
Really goes on and all, and yeah, it's life changing.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Differently, are you are you on a list to get
because you've done a nice thing? Is there is there
a people that have donated kidney's list that so they
are ahead of other people that haven't, if you know
what I'm saying, like, once you've donated one, surely if
something should go wrong with your other kidney, you're on
a fast direct to get one. Do you know what

(57:31):
I'm saying? Or is there nothing?

Speaker 17 (57:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (57:32):
I do, but I have no idea if I am
or not. Actually I really I really wouldn't know. Good
point to look into that or ask my doctor next
time I see her, But no, I'm not one hundred
percent sure about that.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Well, come and see Tyler. He's got two such Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, they're not fantastic kidneys, but you're welcome to one
of them.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Amanda, Yeah, thank you very much. Hey, thank you so
much for you call it Amanda and all the best. Yeah,
what if six said, who did you donate your brain to?

Speaker 7 (57:58):
Matt?

Speaker 2 (57:59):
I can't remember. I can't remember I donated my brain too.

Speaker 21 (58:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Maybe that's because I do my brain.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Part of the problem, brain away I need.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I asked the person I donated my brain to, who
they are my brain?

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yeah, it's like a Memento situation text. It is twenty
nine to three oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Coming up after the headlights,
We're going to have a chat with a gentleman called
Andy Tuke. He ran the Give Life Trust for a
long time in order to try and increase the number
of Kiwis who were up for donation, So he is
coming up next. It is twenty nine to three.

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Speaker 3 (59:54):
Thank you very much, Raylean so Andy Tuk. He set
up Live Sharers and also Give Life Organization to help
increase New Zealand's organ donation rate, which remains among the
lowest in the western world. He spent two decades compared
campaigning to increase that donation rate, and currently there's around
four to five hundred people waiting on a compatible organ.

(01:00:15):
Andy Tookey joins us on the line. Now, Andy, very
good afternoon to you.

Speaker 6 (01:00:19):
Hello, thanks yep.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Andy. How often do potential organ donations fall over because
you know, families aren't sure of the loved one's wishes.

Speaker 20 (01:00:31):
Well, the last time I checked, about sixty percent of
people of families say no to organ donation.

Speaker 24 (01:00:40):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
An awful. That's an awful lot of people.

Speaker 20 (01:00:43):
Yeah, and there'll be many reasons for that, but yeah,
that's one of the areas I trying to work on,
was trying to get that rate down because when six
out of ten families are saying no to donation, they're
losing a lot of lives unnecessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
So if you like me, I have on my license,
then I'm a donor. And I kind of thought that
just mean I was a donor then, but you know,
obviously I looked into it more now and found out
that my family would to get involved. So if you
have click donor, is it then a good idea to
go around and talk to your family members and the
people that decide and it's really describe what you want

(01:01:25):
to happen because because it's very easy to click as donor,
but you might not have thought about it much. But
is that something that could help?

Speaker 20 (01:01:33):
Well, this is actually one of the first issues I discovered.
I mean, my history on this, why I started this
was when my daughter was born. They discovered she had
a liver disease and they said she would die by
age one if she didn't get.

Speaker 6 (01:01:50):
A new liver.

Speaker 20 (01:01:52):
And she was in hospital a long time, and we
talked to families whose children would die because they had
cancer and stuff like that. But I thought, my daughter,
there's a cure, one hundred percent cure, and it's been
very lucremated every day, and why the organ donorates so low.
So then I started investigating Official Information Act requests and

(01:02:16):
I'll tell you what, over the years, I've opened some
huge cans of worms on it of the failings of
the system. But yeah, one of the things which the
public did not know at the time, which I think
through my constant media appearances, the public mostly known these
days that yes, put me on a driving license means

(01:02:37):
absolutely nothing because they will not even check the license
if you're involved, say in a car crash, right because
it's not deemed to be consent. It's not because you
could have ticked that box years ago, so it's not consent.

(01:02:58):
Is really an ongoing thing. What I tried to do
is to get them to change it so it's not
on a driving license as such, but so you could
do it online. So you could go online and you
could change your wishes as often as you like. It
costs you nothing, and then it would be updated, you know,

(01:03:18):
in the health system. They would know automatically what your
wishes are. Because if you change your mind on your
driving license and you've got to pay forty odd dollars
to get it changed, right, yes, people aren't going to
do that. And so that was the main issue I
believe was public awareness. The public needs to know these things.
There is another thing. Whys say six out of ten

(01:03:41):
families say no, is because you know, ten family members
could be around your deathbed and nine of them agree
to organ donation. If one person says no, that one
no trumps all of nine yearses.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Wow. Wow, I did not know that. That is interesting.
So when you say having on your license means nothing,
when as the conversation brought up for family members to
have their on it is that brought up as a
standard conversation, you know, by medical professionals, or is it
brought up if your status is yes, or how does

(01:04:18):
that work?

Speaker 20 (01:04:20):
Yeah, what they.

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
Prefer to do.

Speaker 20 (01:04:23):
Yeah, But the time it's brought up organ donation is
when that person is basically brain dead. Now, this is
why a lot of people's, well a lot of families
would say no to organ donation. For example, you've just
been told your son has died, but by the way,

(01:04:45):
can we have his organs? That's not the best time
to be asking, you know, it needs.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
To be done way ahead.

Speaker 20 (01:04:52):
This is why it needs to be more public awareness
about it, to encourage families to discuss the issues.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
This is good information. Andy, Now me mentioned this earlier
and correct me if I'm wrong, But I think this
was something you campaigned on. So it was a REGIERU
register that if you are a donor yourself and at
some point you need an organ you would go to
the top of the list.

Speaker 20 (01:05:17):
Yes, I did. That was part of my because there's
the two types of organ donation. You've got organs from
deceased donors. I wanted to change a lot in that system.
But I also wanted to change the live donors situation
because the live donors back at the time, say, for example,

(01:05:38):
your sister needed a kidney and you were happy to
donate one, but you still got to pay your mortgage,
your bills and everything, and you don't get any pay
All you were getting was you have to go to
wins and beg for some benefit money, and so you'd
have to say no, I can't afford to do this financially.
So eventually I got through Parliament. Well with the health

(01:06:00):
of MPs, I got through that. They now get one
hundred percent compensation which helps the financial size things. And
I also I did campaign, but I didn't get on.
If you donate a kidney, then you should be moved
to the top of the waiting list should you ever

(01:06:21):
require one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
It would have been a good way to raise the
donation levels. You know that makes sense to me, right, Yeah,
it's a win win that if you added the goodness
of your heart decide when someone needs a kidney to
donate it and you get into trouble, then you're right
at the top of their list.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
How's the list worked out now, Andy.

Speaker 20 (01:06:40):
Well, it's on a combination of things. You know, it's
on time at the time and need an urgency really
and what they've got compatible I suppose, you know, it's
I think each case would be different. I think they've
got a lot orithms that they use, but specifically I
don't know what they are these days.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Andy, we're really enjoying this chat. Are you okay to
hold with us for another couple of minutes. We'll just
play some messages and come back.

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Sure, a wonderful. We're chatting with Andy Tuke, who did
set up Life Sharers and Give Little Organization. He's been
campaigning to raise our donation rates for two decades. We're
going to come back and ask him some more questions. Shortly,
it's eighteen to three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
They'd be for a good afternoon to you. So we're
talking about organ donation and we are speaking to Andy Tukey,
he set up Life Sharers and also Give Life Organization.
He's been campaigning or was campaigning for the for twenty
years to try and up our donation rates. And he's
back with us. Andy, thank you again for your time.

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
That's great, no problems.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Now, Hey Andy, what what do you think the biggest
misunderstandings are around donations in this in New Zealand. The
myths and misunderstandings.

Speaker 20 (01:08:01):
Well, there's a lot of myths. I guess I've both
a misunderstanding. But a lot of people won't put a
donor on their license or they said I don't want
to be a donor because they've got a medical condition,
so they don't think they would be suitable, right, and

(01:08:22):
and everybody should put it on there because the doctors
would decide the time. I mean, because just because you've
got to I don't know in growing toenails doesn't mean
you can't donate a kidney.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
And so a lot of people think that they don't.

Speaker 20 (01:08:37):
They think that like smokers think they can't be donors,
but they can be. So yeah, so they should just
put donor and then they would check you at the
time and they would get superable you are if you're not,
you're not, So yeah, the best way to go and
is you know a lot of myths that you know,
people believe that you're you're not actually dead when you

(01:08:57):
donate your organs you are, you're you know, you're you're
brain dead, You're not in a coma, you're definitely dead dead.
So you get all these things and most of you
get it off. I don't know, bad TV programs or
horror movies and stuff, but never any way to correct it.

(01:09:20):
This is why there needs to be more awareness and
needs to be more from the government really to push us.
In other countries, there's TV commercials all the time. I
remember back in the UK they would promote it on
TV commercials constantly, you know, as they did with putting
seat belts on and things like that. It was quite
common and so you know, get people in that frame

(01:09:42):
of mind to talk about it with their family.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
So obviously we need to increase the donation rate. Do
you think they're advertising or is there more legal changes
or the way donations dealt with clinically that would increase
New Zealand's organization organ donation right? What do you think
the biggest improvements we could make to make that happen?

Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:10:07):
I think my main one is the public awareness. Basically,
stop that six in ten people saying no. It should
be which I pushed for as well. It should be
mandatory training for doctors in icee. You I see, you
to have training in organ donation and how to approach families.

(01:10:28):
They have a thing called link nurses that do that now,
so they are improving in some areas. But this is
legal wise. Well, I did try and push for the
opt out system, you know, where you're presumed to be
an organ donor.

Speaker 6 (01:10:45):
As opposed to the opting in. Now you'd have to kind.

Speaker 20 (01:10:49):
Of opt out right, yes, as all of the UK
does now many country does. And yeah, they're still a
lot keen on doing that here. And in fact the
Select Committee, which I appeared at many times, the organ
donor doctors said if we did, if you did that,
we wouldn't take the organs anyway. You know why Ley's

(01:11:14):
us very against it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
I mean, they're not saving lives.

Speaker 12 (01:11:20):
No.

Speaker 20 (01:11:21):
Well, certainly the ICU doctors I was dealing with at
the time, with totally upfront blackmail the Select Committee, they
just said you can change the law and we will
not follow it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Very odd.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
So for something like what you know that you cannot
doubt if there is it is so personal to you,
that's fine. But to have it as a not done
by default, I just don't see why they'd be opposition.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Yeah, and how and how has it worked out in
the countries where it has been introduced in recent years.

Speaker 20 (01:11:53):
Well, yeah, you do get some people who are against
that sort of compulsion and they opt out, but overall
much better rates.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been really great to check
with you on this. Just the final question you mentioned
what spooned you on this journey was your daughter Katie.
How did that journey go for her?

Speaker 20 (01:12:17):
Okay, well, when I said she would need a new liver,
it's not like the kidney where you've got two of them.

Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
She would need a new liver by age one.

Speaker 20 (01:12:29):
Well, she did not get her transplant. And believe it
or not, she's now twenty three and she still hasn't
had her transplant.

Speaker 6 (01:12:38):
Wow. And and she's.

Speaker 20 (01:12:40):
In good health. She is monitored regularly. And I also
discover she is now the oldest living person in New
Zealand with that liver disease who hasn't had a transplant.

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
So of course I'm pretty happy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Yeah, I mean incredible that she's managed to fire the odds.
So she's still on the wait list. Andy, is that.

Speaker 20 (01:13:05):
Well, they know this is how they that's the figures
up a bit, is they They don't put you on
the waiting list for an organ donation until you're desperate
for it, and then usually you're two. By that stage
you're too sick to receive an organ donation, So that's
why many people die waiting.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Yeah, Andy, thank you very much for your time this
afternoon and having a chat with us, and and well
done for the changes you have made, but it seems
there's still some way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Yeah, thanks so much for the work you've done over
the years in this space. Andy, it's fantastic.

Speaker 6 (01:13:37):
Yeah, great, thank you. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
That is Andy Tuke who's been a campaigner to raise
our donation rates for a couple of decades. We're taking
more of your calls. O eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty.
It is nine minutes to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of
fun along the way. Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News
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Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
News Talk z b Ray. Your wife has been a
recipient of donated organs twice.

Speaker 23 (01:14:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:14:06):
My worker's correct to transplant in the late seventies and
the first transplant uncurse the lasted about five months since
she went back on the kidney machine for another eight
months and had a second transplant, and after being on
the machine in total for over five years, that transplant,
you know, it is better than winning any LOTO. I

(01:14:28):
can tell you that. It's definitely life changing. And we're
fortunate enough to get thirty four years and of that kidney.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Wow.

Speaker 25 (01:14:37):
Yeah, And that was back in the days. There was
a road excellent victim and they had to go around
and approach the family to get permission to have the organized.
So you know, we're very lucky, you weren't we?

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
So who had to go around? Who had to go
around the family and get the permission?

Speaker 25 (01:14:54):
That's they had approached the family.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Medical team And did you know who that family was?

Speaker 25 (01:15:00):
Right not at the time. We found out many years later,
and it was believing all of the road accident from
somewhere area from where the wife was originally came from.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Oh wow, how incredible. And when you got down, yes, sorry.

Speaker 25 (01:15:19):
I got from tomorrow, he got they did. They did
the two transplants from the theater at the same time,
So I got from tomorrow, I got the other kidney.
So you know, there's two recipients from the one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
And are you a donor?

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Ray?

Speaker 25 (01:15:36):
You don you know, it's probably too old.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
And so if you don't mind, you know, talking about it.
So when your wife passed away, so she had thirty
four years, was it from from the problem that had
got the kidney donation or was it from.

Speaker 25 (01:15:57):
More drugs rejection drugs?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
You're oh, yes, right, yeah, right, sorry to hear that,
but I mean that, I mean great that you got
that thirty four years. Fantastic and thanks so much for sharing. Absolutely,
we're going to keep this gooing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call if you've been a donor, recipient or a
donor want to hear from.

Speaker 12 (01:16:15):
You your new home are insateful and entertaining talk It's
Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevvy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Very good afternoon to you, Welcome back into the program.
Seven past three. We've kept this conversation about organ donation
going on because so many people want to share their story.
But this is on the back of a story in
the New Zealand Herald. You can read it right now.
It is about a woman called Amanda McCowan. So she
had a bit of a rocky past with her husband.
They separated. It was all pretty painful, but when his

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new wife needed a kidney, she put all of that aside.
They were compatible, obviously, and decided to give the kidney
to her ex husband's wife. How beautiful and how good
is that?

Speaker 6 (01:16:58):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
That has been the bigger person.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Okay, so you and God forbid Tracy and I split up,
and May you split up, and then I get with
May and then I have a I have a kidney problem.
Would you would you donate your kidney to me?

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
I'd be very angry at you, but mainly because it's you,
Matt Heath, and I love you mate that I'll give
you the kidney. But if it was some other joker,
I'd say, jog old, mate, you got to go.

Speaker 21 (01:17:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
I mean the level of forgiveness in that is quite something.
My key we mate got the first live liver transplant
in the UK, says this text to Graham. That's when
you take part of a living person's liver and put
it into a person who needs a new liver. Incredible stuff.
As family were not a match, but amazingly his Scottish
wife was, and she donated part of her liver TERIM

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what a love story. Chairs Stephen willingcom.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Yeah, that's a great text. Thank you very much. Keep
those texts coming through. On nine two nine too, Julie,
how are you hi?

Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
I'm good at things now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
You've got a pretty incredible story program.

Speaker 18 (01:18:02):
Yes, I have my I gave my daughter whose second
kidney she'd already previously had one for a cadava that
lasted about five years, and she was thirteen when she
had that, and then at seventeen, I'd been tested myself
and my husband and I was a better match. So
I gave her a kidney at seventeen, and it lasted

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about twenty nine years, and then it started to fail
and she had another kidney donation from.

Speaker 21 (01:18:34):
Another very close friend.

Speaker 18 (01:18:37):
And it's been ten years on last October that she
had that one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
So she's in her fifties now, is she.

Speaker 18 (01:18:48):
She's fifty five now, and she's seventeen when I gave
her mind, So there is life after kidney transplant.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Wow, you know what you like? You sound like you're
you sound like you're about thirty five. You've got a very.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Young a lot of vitality.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
I was trying to do the math on what you
were talking about.

Speaker 18 (01:19:10):
Yeah, no, and I'm pretty fit, but I have to
be careful. I drink a lot of water. I think
giving the kidney, I probably drank too much wine, but
I don't now. And yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Has your daughter's house at fifty five?

Speaker 15 (01:19:25):
She's got she's got a full time job.

Speaker 18 (01:19:27):
She's never ever been not working, and she's happily married.
They chose not to have children because of the risk
to the kidney.

Speaker 21 (01:19:38):
And they've just been done.

Speaker 18 (01:19:41):
A seven week tour all around Europe.

Speaker 6 (01:19:43):
Wow.

Speaker 18 (01:19:44):
So yeah, she's very good. But she has been six
since she was nine years old. So she had dialysis
for about three years.

Speaker 21 (01:19:54):
And that was not the machine.

Speaker 18 (01:19:58):
It was CAAPD. It's done through liquid fluid going into
your abdomen, into the cavity there and clean it out.
And she went to school and they say up a
room for She changed to beg for, you know, four
times a day, and she just got on with life.
And she didn't have from high blood prescia. But now

(01:20:18):
I take more blood pressure pools. She doesn't take any
blood pressure polls. Now she's got everything. She has definitely
followed it to the book, done everything she could do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
You must be really proud. And so what are your
conversations that you've had with her over the years. About
the donation that you that you did and put in
a number of years as her kidney.

Speaker 18 (01:20:41):
We don't. We don't really talk about it. It's sort
of like something that.

Speaker 21 (01:20:45):
You just do and you get.

Speaker 18 (01:20:47):
On with life.

Speaker 21 (01:20:49):
You know that sounds weird, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
It, But as as a mum you kind of donated
all her organs to her.

Speaker 21 (01:20:59):
Yeah, you know, I was, but I never.

Speaker 20 (01:21:01):
Thought of it like that.

Speaker 18 (01:21:02):
I think you've cut off your right.

Speaker 21 (01:21:03):
Arm for you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Yes, yes, And I.

Speaker 18 (01:21:07):
Did feel like I had been run over by a
bus after I've had it. They we weren't in the
same ward was done in Wellington Hospital. She was in
she was up in the renal ward and I was
in neurology, which had it was quite a long walk away.
They bought her down in a wheelchair the day after
the op and I just looked at her and instead

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of seeing this very pallid looking child, well teenagers sitting there,
she had this bright, pink face. I couldn't believe it.
I think she was how etant and how wonderful that
it was. Yeah, she's had a relatively normal life, but
she has been on a lot of steroids anti rejection drugs,

(01:21:52):
and she's still on them, and you do have to
take them for the life of the kidney. I think
a lot of people think that I've had the kidney
ten years or whatever. I'm sure I don't need these,
but you definitely have to do what you're told.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
The technology has as the technology, she changed a lot. Obviously,
you guys have been in the game over the years.
What are the improvements.

Speaker 21 (01:22:13):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 18 (01:22:14):
When she first had dialysis, it was all in bottles,
hanging bottles from you know, the water that the fluid
went in the dextro solution and you know, so you
couldn't go anywhere without the bottle attached to you. But
now then they got the bags and we made clothes
to hold the bag, and the fluid stayed in you
for four hours and then you put the bag on

(01:22:38):
the floor and it drained out. Nowadays, the fluid goes in,
I'm pretty sure, and the bag comes off and then
you do.

Speaker 21 (01:22:45):
Put it on again to do it, so you don't.

Speaker 18 (01:22:46):
Have to worry about that. I'm not exactly sure about that,
but I know that technology has done marvels.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Yes, and so that the THOD kidney's that's still going
well for at fifty five.

Speaker 18 (01:22:58):
Yeah, it's ten years and it's better.

Speaker 21 (01:23:01):
Than my kidney. How do you know, because your kidney
function is brilliant, right function and a Yeah, my.

Speaker 18 (01:23:10):
Kidney functions not as good as anyone else my age.
But that's like having a swimming pool and having two
filters compared to one working.

Speaker 21 (01:23:18):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Yeah, yeah, but I'll tell you what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
As I said before, you said, you sound you sound
powerful and full of vigor.

Speaker 21 (01:23:25):
Oh oh, thank you for that.

Speaker 23 (01:23:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:23:28):
I'm still still getting around doing things do a but
apart time, we're still in enjoying life.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Yeah, oh you're a gem. Thank you, Thank you very
much for the call. Jilly Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Really keen to hear your donation story when
it comes to organs, whether you donated or were the
recipient of an organ. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number to call? Fourteen past three News Talk
ZB News TALKSB. We're talking about organ donation. Whether you
have given an organ to someone you loved or indeed

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a stranger, or you've received one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Love to hear from you, is this true? Humans are
actually born with four kidneys, but as you get older,
two of them turn into your adult knees.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Mike, you know, I'm ashamed to admit this, but I
actually googled that just to whether it was or not.

Speaker 23 (01:24:11):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
You yeah, well, no, he's not a dickhead. He's joking.

Speaker 8 (01:24:16):
Ye know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Well I know now he's making quite an amusing joke.
You googled it, so you're the dickhead.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
Well, I can confirm that most people are born with
two kidneys. Yes, very very few were born with three.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
But there was a period of time where you thought
maybe they turned into your knees.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Maybe not the knees, I just thought they'd get absorbed
by some part of the body. Anyway, Mike, thank you
very much. So that's the dumb dumb Ass of the
Week awards.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Cherry, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:24:44):
Hello.

Speaker 21 (01:24:45):
I want to talk about my cousins. She went to
live in America and was involved in medical employment and research.
Her only daughter was killed or her only child, in
a car accident when she was eighteen, and my cousins,
being involved in the medical world, basically donated her body

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for organ replacements. And I was absolutely astonished because we
tend to hear that somebody's had a liver transplant or
a kidney transplant. There were over ninety RECIFC recipients. That's
nine recipients from her daughter's body.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Wow.

Speaker 21 (01:25:35):
Yes, you know, there were all sorts of little bits
and pieces of skin and the things that you just
don't think of. You tend to think of the whole
organ So, you know, having lost a daughter, that brought
her some comfort to know that that many people that

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benefited from such a tragic test.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Yeah, I mean that it's a tragedy, but year ninety
people helped us is quite incredible. And so the decision
must have been made pretty Yeah I don't think I
wasn't aware of that, but so the decision must have
been made quite quickly.

Speaker 21 (01:26:15):
Well, yes, she was you know, killed in a car accident,
and my cousin just that was what she decided to do.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
So, yeah, what a wonderful thing to do. I mean,
so sad to hear about what happened to your cousin,
But the fact that ninety people received, you know, some
sort of transplant to hopefully prolong their lives or to
you know, sort them out, that's a beautiful thing. That
someone can do.

Speaker 24 (01:26:46):
Yes.

Speaker 21 (01:26:46):
So, as I say, we tend to think of sort
of whole organs that obviously I don't know the details,
but there are lots of smaller bits and pieces in
our body that can be used for people, so public
can bear that in mind.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Thank you very much for your call, Cherry.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Interesting, Yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Can you specify what you don't like? Say this? Opt
and opt out? Right, So there's a couple of people testing,
going I don't mind donating. There's two super people have
teached this, which is an interesting point. But I can
kind of see pardon the pun and advance of what
I'm about to say, but I can see that I
might want to donate my lungs whatever skin yep, But

(01:27:36):
for some reason, I don't know the idea of donating
my eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Interesting to say that, because I've thought that before, something
about the eyes and indeed, you know, my whole face.
Not that anybody would want it, but hey, it's been
no one to happen that there has been face transplants.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
So when you opt in for donation, and if you
went round and talk to your family, because you know,
as we're talking to Andy before, optin doesn't mean much
because it has to go for the family. If even
one family membersites no that it doesn't happen, so you'd
have to go around and talk. But could you go look,
I take everything leave my eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
It's a great question.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
I don't know why I leave my eyes. I think
it's because I spend a lot of time looking out
of them, so they're very very personal to you, very
personal to me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Yeah, whereas the kidney, you don't see that much. But
if you know the answer to that, I'd love to
hear from you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It
is twenty one past three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Back in a month, matd Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
It's twenty four past three, and we're talking about organ donation.
If you have been a donor or a recipient, really,
can you hear your story? Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is that number?

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
So I've got an update on my eyes situation and
the many people that text you and going I want
to donate everything.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
But on my eyes, yes, which is fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
You said that I haven't seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Oh, sorry, so asking you for it Yeah, Yeah, Andy
Tookey has just ticked through. And he said so. He
spoke to Andy Tooky last hour. He spent a long
time campaigning for more donations. And he says, yes, you
can opt out of certain organs, which means they can't
take your eyes if you don't want them to.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Okay, so you can't. You can have everything but my
eyes and my right toe.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Nobody wants the right dough.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Yeah, that's not a bad start. It's got a broken
infected joint today. Murray, you're a donor recipient.

Speaker 23 (01:29:23):
Yeah, good afternoon, guys. I am a donor recipient of tissue.
And just as you were talking about eyes, I have
had three corneal grafts which have corrected my eyes to
a certain extent, and I now we're contact lenses. My
first one was done sixty two years ago, and my

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second done left eye sixty years ago. And and I
had a second, sorry, a second tissue put in my
right eye two years ago. Forever thankful to the donors
and with my I now I have six six or

(01:30:11):
twenty twenty vision with a contact lens. My right eye
is still basically healing. Although I have a contact lens.
There are still stitches in my right eye after two
years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
Wow. And so what's the process when your vision started
going and you needed that transplant or donation? What was
the process involved?

Speaker 23 (01:30:34):
Well, basically, firstly, it's called a name terra to coonus
where the cornea goes into a cone shape, stretches at
the edges, and bets light into your pupil, so it's
not basically going blind through darkness. The process was basically
that into hospital, the operation I think takes a couple

(01:30:59):
of hours, and then when my first ones were done,
I had to have pads over both eyes because just
to keep me settled flat on my back for a
month in hospital, and then they take the unaffected eye
or the unoperated eye pad off after two weeks. That

(01:31:20):
you keep the operated pad on for the further two
weeks full month. Secondly, though my last one was done
two years ago, you're in in the morning and you're
out the next morning, no pads on or anything, go home.
So in those sixty years there's been a lot of

(01:31:41):
advancement and they've been both successful, which I'm very appreciative of.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Do you have any idea who made the donations across
the years to you, murray.

Speaker 23 (01:31:54):
No, not at all, but do you think about it?
And then I do think about it a lot. And
I'll just tell you something that my optician said to me.
She said, I think you've got a cornea from a
nineteen year old pretty girl. I loved about that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
I was, what was the reason for thinking it was
from a nineteen year old pretty girl?

Speaker 9 (01:32:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:32:20):
Yeah, Well I I joke a bit, and I now
say I can, I can multitask. And what I know
I know anyway, and what I don't know I still
know anyway. Having that young lady's florn there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
What other parts of the eye can be donated and
transplanted married? Do you know?

Speaker 23 (01:32:44):
I honestly don't know. But just one thing. I went
to a seminar about three years ago and met a
senior doctor and a senior NURST from a harvest team,
so they, you know, go around and make sure organs
are okay from those who are donating. And the doctor said,

(01:33:07):
I said to him, look on had of corneo grap
and I was thinking about He said, have you. I said, yes,
I have. He said I had never ever met any
donor recipient? Wow, And he was yeah, he was over
the moon. So normally the period of time that they

(01:33:28):
will last is about thirty years, so both mine have
really continued on for double the time that is normally
suitable for successful vision.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Oh, welcome, congratulations for that, Murray, so glad to hear that.
Thank you so much for your call. And I hope
those nineteen year old girl's eyes go well for you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Yeah, lucky man all forward.

Speaker 21 (01:33:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call all.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
These people teaching, And it's making me feel bad about
not wanting to donate my eyes because does seem to
be something that can really really help people.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
Put it on the list, But.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
Does anyone want my bung eyes?

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Someone would one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Looks into totally different direction than the other one.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
Someone would take it. I'm sure. Right the headlines with
Raylene coming up, then taking more of your calls OZ
one hundred and eighty ten eighty if you're an organ
DONA recipient, can to hear your story? Beg very surely.

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Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
By the way, sounds pretty good, Raylene. I'll give it
a try. I think I'll read the story first, but
thank you very much back to our discussion about organ donation.
Love to hear your story on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty if you've been a donor or recipient, really
keen to hear from you. Nine two ninety two is
the text number is? Well, Linda, you've been a recipient?

Speaker 15 (01:35:53):
Yes, I have.

Speaker 19 (01:35:54):
I received a kidneye.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
How long ago was that? Nine years ago?

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
And what was the circumstance, Linda.

Speaker 19 (01:36:05):
I actually discovered that when I was pregnant with my son.
We discovered that something wasn't right, and that a few
it took them a few years actually to work out
that I had kidney disease after doing all the tests
and everything.

Speaker 24 (01:36:24):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
And so when the time came that you needed a transplant?
What how long did you have to wait? What was
that process like?

Speaker 26 (01:36:33):
It was a few years.

Speaker 19 (01:36:34):
And then I did dialysis, so I was very lucky
and that I had the machine beside my bed, so
I had a catheter in my stomach and I just
would hook up each night for seven hours.

Speaker 21 (01:36:48):
Wow.

Speaker 19 (01:36:48):
And then I would wake up in the morning, have
a shower, get dressed, drop my son at school, and
go to work.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
And what did it feel like when you went from
the machine to actually having a donated kidney, and you
how did that change your life? And how did that feel?

Speaker 19 (01:37:05):
Much amazing amazingly much better, more energy and like that
other laga shed earlier, a lot more color in my cheeks,
everything like that. And yeah, I'm on about I'm on
about fifteen pools a day of anti rejection. So I've
just got to keep those up.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
You take them all at once or you have to
stagger that, do.

Speaker 19 (01:37:26):
You no, summer in the morning and summer at night,
all at once.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
I have done more pills in that at once, set
legal pills.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
We just go back. You've done more than that at once.

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Anyway, Yeah, there's a question for another topic now, London.
What are the side effects from from the anti rediction
rejection pills?

Speaker 9 (01:37:50):
I haven't.

Speaker 15 (01:37:50):
I've been very lucky.

Speaker 19 (01:37:51):
Actually, I haven't had a lot of side effects or anything.
So yeah, I've been quite lucky in that regard.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
And you don't know where your your transplant came from,
who it came from, do you, Linda?

Speaker 24 (01:38:06):
No?

Speaker 19 (01:38:06):
I had a yeah what they call a j stoner yep.
So I just got a phone call one like you
go onto a list, onto the transplant list, and you've
got to stay healthy and stay on that list. And
then you just wait and I'll never forget the day
I got that phone call. Yeah, we've got your kidney.

(01:38:28):
Come now, you literally.

Speaker 21 (01:38:30):
You drop everything.

Speaker 19 (01:38:31):
I was at work and you drop everything, and you
just don't ask questions.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
You just go that quick so straight to the hospital.
When in the process starts wow, yep.

Speaker 19 (01:38:40):
My dad, my dad picked a bag for me. They come,
Mom and Dad come pick me up and we drove
straight to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
And do you think about the donor much London? I mean,
you don't know anything about it, but you know, you've
got this kidney.

Speaker 19 (01:38:54):
And I believe it was a lady that was killed
in a car accident.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
Do you believe that? Just you feel that or you
have some.

Speaker 19 (01:39:02):
Information they were told me at the time at the hospital.
But that was like a long time go.

Speaker 21 (01:39:08):
Now.

Speaker 19 (01:39:09):
It did take me three years to write the letter, yep.
And I've never heard back from them. And my letter
was about five pages long because I was like, I
don't I didn't know what they wanted to know and
what they didn't want to know. Yeah, I'm very hard
writing that letter, bet.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
But even if they haven't replied. I bet it meant
a lot to them. I mean, can you mention how
hard how hard it is for you to write the letter,
how hard it would be for them to reply to
the leader, you know what I mean. So I'm sure
that letter, I'm sure that let them meant a lot
to them.

Speaker 21 (01:39:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:39:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
And so you've had this transplant for nine years. Is
it all going well? Is their talk that you might
need another one at some point or are you good
for quite some time?

Speaker 21 (01:39:55):
I'm all good.

Speaker 19 (01:39:56):
I have a check up every six months with the
kidney doctors who are fantastic, and I have my transplant
at christ Church Hospital and the team there are really
really good. And yeah, but it's it's like a piece
of string if you don't know how long it's gonna last,

(01:40:16):
Like didn't want to maybe say thirty.

Speaker 26 (01:40:18):
Years or something.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Yeah, we had thirty four years from from a caller's
wife had thirty four years with yours.

Speaker 19 (01:40:25):
Yeah, so I've got fifteen to go. But you just
don't know. It might pop tomorrow, I do, you know
what I mean? You just don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Well, so glad that it's worked out so well for you, Linda.
Our final question just on the compatibility.

Speaker 18 (01:40:38):
Is there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
Is it purely down to blood type or is imagine
there's a bit more that goes into it.

Speaker 21 (01:40:43):
Is there?

Speaker 19 (01:40:43):
I I'm not one hundred percent, but they talk about
being a match. I don't think it's just blood type.
I think it's tissue as well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Right, Yeah, fascinating and good good news.

Speaker 19 (01:40:54):
And did you know actually I've got three kidney so
they just put the new one in.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Ah right, ah right, So they just unplug it and
leave it there.

Speaker 19 (01:41:05):
Yeah, so I've got the other to my original foes
just push the still there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Wow. Interesting. Hey, I've got good news for you. Thirty
four minus nine is twenty five, so you've potentially got
a quarter century out of that one.

Speaker 26 (01:41:21):
Oh cool.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Yeah, that's all there is to say about that. It's
good Newsand thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
So much for you Colander. Thanks for sharing that story.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Fantastic What a great call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call if you've been an
organ donator, donor you've received an organ. Come on through.
It's twenty one to four.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
Your home of afternoon Talk mad He then Taylor Adams
Afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talk.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
There'd be eighteen to four. We're talking about organ donation
in New Zealand. If you've been a recipient of an
organ or you've been a part of that process, really
can ever chat with you?

Speaker 10 (01:41:55):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
One hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? Jane? How
are you hello?

Speaker 26 (01:42:01):
I'm nervous now, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
No need to be nervous, it's just us Jane.

Speaker 26 (01:42:06):
That's all right. My husband was in a work accident
thirty years ago and was in hospital for four days
before they took organs from him. And you go to
fund shaking at the moment, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
I was just going to say, I'm so sorry. You
know that that happened to you, Jane, and obviously to
your husband. And so when that process started, what did
they say to you? Did they said to you that
this was important to your husband or how did that
conversation work?

Speaker 26 (01:42:47):
When I was told, like, he went into hospital one
day and then towards the end of the following day
they told me that he did have serious head injury.
And I mean, if you saw him, he only had

(01:43:08):
cut on his side of his on his arm, and
so I was told that, you know, the next few
next day or so would be a serving time and
they were very caring. And I was approached on the
Thursday by the transport coordinator saying that were we aware

(01:43:35):
of transplant, which both my husband and I had it
on a driving license and we so I talked to
them and it wasn't until the Friday they did the
brain death test on him and that has to be

(01:43:56):
done twice before if they can retrieve any organs. So
it's quite a proceedure you had to go through. So
I have become quite passionate about it in the sense
that I worked for a nurse in the school and
I went and talked to all the critical care nurses

(01:44:17):
in the hospitals about being a relative of someone who
was donating their organs, so on how to treat how
to treat us because where as fragile as who's dying,
and being called by your personally not being called missus
so and so those things were quite important to me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
So, I mean, it's the hardest, hardest time. You're going
through a lot. And I guess this is this is
why you know a lot of families don't go through
you know, go through it even if their loved one
has the name there because it's not there's so much
else going on in your mind at that time. I
can imagine so very brave of you too to give

(01:45:08):
permission at that time.

Speaker 6 (01:45:10):
Jane, it was it was.

Speaker 26 (01:45:14):
If I look back on it now, it was a
very interesting process because obviously none of us know until
you're in that situation how it goes. And I have
to say that thirty years ago, so things have changed
so much. When my husband we donated it all, he

(01:45:35):
donated his liver and had to be flown to Australia,
so it was before they actually were doing the liver
tranfer plants here, so that was an unknown and just
being you literally sign off on each organ. I didn't
know at the time that they could donate the thigh bone,

(01:45:59):
so I didn't know about that. So I had to
say no because I felt we hadn't talked about it.

Speaker 23 (01:46:06):
If you're not to me.

Speaker 26 (01:46:09):
And you do get updated about those people, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
You do you get you get updated about the people,
all the all of.

Speaker 26 (01:46:17):
Us about Yeah, I know that a lady in Brisbane
or in Brisbane hospital got got his lever. I know
there were two kidneys that went to two different people
and one of those has died, and I just wanted
to make sure it wasn't the kidney that killed the person,

(01:46:41):
if you know what I mean. It was like reassuring
myself that wasn't my husband's talking. Let the person down speaking,
people understand.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
That, Yeah I can. I mean, you know, an incredible
thing that that that you he has done and you
you have done, and his family have done. So there's
no way they could be any blame portion there, of course,
But did.

Speaker 26 (01:47:02):
You go and do feel guilty?

Speaker 6 (01:47:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Is there is the I don't know, comfort in knowing
that this tragedy has helped a lot of people. Is
this something that you can hold on to in your
heart from all this?

Speaker 6 (01:47:19):
Well?

Speaker 26 (01:47:19):
It does. I got a lovely letter from the latter
who got his lever and when I signed for now,
I said, oh, you know he used to enjoy his
beer and red wine. Is his liberal right to give
to someone? And they said, oh yeah, perfectly good. And
they do a lot of testing. The thought of twenty

(01:47:39):
four hours previous to him actually been in a sense
put up the donation. They do lots of tests because
you have to be even though he wasn't breathing himself,
he was on a machine there they have to be breathing,

(01:48:00):
so the you know, the blood, the pumping around the pelta.

Speaker 20 (01:48:04):
So yeah, it was a.

Speaker 26 (01:48:08):
Very strange time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
I can only I mean, it's impossible looking.

Speaker 26 (01:48:13):
At but in the critical care and I think it
was in the old hospital seeing pars driving passed and
thinking why is everyone carrying on? Do they know? I'm yeah, boyd.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
It's impossible to imagine if you haven't been there. Yeah,
And to go back a little bit, you said that
that the way they approached you back then, you don't
think was you know, the most helpful way. And you said,
that's changed a little bit. How's the way they approached
people in that And that incredibly challenging situation.

Speaker 26 (01:48:51):
Changed, I think because when I was there allowing the
time to span, you were you were, you were misses
so and so, and I said, my name's changed and
you called me that. Yeah, you know, it made it
a little bit more gener to them. And when I
went to talk to critical keen nurses and that sort

(01:49:13):
of thing. That was one thing I emphasized that you
were suddenly air in this closed environment where you had
to go out when the doctors are examining your husband,
and then go back in you know, when the machines
go mad, and so it's quite a precious time and

(01:49:38):
you don't want to be away from them longer than
you have to. Yes, I had two granddaughters at the time,
one was seven and one was three, and the nurse
took each of them in separately on her own and
just explained what was happening to their proper because to me,

(01:49:59):
it was very important for me for them to understand
without me being too emotional.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
And Jane, and incredible what you and your husband have
done for so many, so many people, and you know,
ringing one hundred and eighteen eighty and explaining that situation
to other people as well, I think will help even
more people. So an incredible story and thank you so much,
Thank you so much for sharing that with us.

Speaker 26 (01:50:25):
Yeah, John was obviously intubated, and they she said, my
papa doesn't smoke, so it was them trying to understand
what was happening. She explained to them very calmly that

(01:50:46):
that was helping him breathe and store and things like that,
making it slightly highter for those children.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Yeah, Jane, thank you again for sharing your story. It
is eight minutes to four back very shortly. You're listening
to Matton Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Afternoons used talks,
it be.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
News Talks, it be. It is six to four. So
if you are interested in registering as an organ donator,
what you need to do is have a conversation with
your close family or those people who would be contacted
in the event of your death. That's important as those
people will be asked about your wishes to be an
organ donor. Organ and tissues that can be donated in
New Zealand, depending on your age and medical history, are

(01:51:33):
your heart or heart valves, lungs, liver, kidney, pancreas, eyes
and skin. But if you want more information, just go
to donut dot co dot in ZED.

Speaker 6 (01:51:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
That call from Jane and all the others over the
of the last few hours amazing stuff. And you know,
I'm already a donator, but I'll be I'll be talking
to my family and saying, you know, that's make it
clear my wishes. Yeah, because just having donator on your
license doesn't mean anything. You know, you need to you
need to make it clear what you want from your family. Hey,
thank you so much for listening everyone. As always, we

(01:52:04):
love the chats today. Here the Duper c Ellen is
up next, Tyler. Why am I playing this song here again?

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
And this pains me to say, but I've got no idea.
What is the song? I like the sound all Oh,
that's got a hell of a hook.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Tyler, my good friend. This is Art for Art's Sake
by ten C C. And it's because earlier in the
show I was saying that sometimes whilst we want our
rates to stay low, there is something to be said
for art for art sakes.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
Yeah, message received. I was a bit of an art hater,
but arts for heart's sake sometimes it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
I don't think it's the little flutters that councils have
on art that are lying out the rates. I think
it's the massive inefficiencies across everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
Yeah, good pack mate, I'm lucking this tune very good.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
You seem busy. Will let you go until tomorrow afternoon.
Give me a taste of a Kiwi from Tyler.

Speaker 24 (01:53:02):
And I, Madam Tyler Tyler.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
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