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Speaker 3 (07:27):
It's great to have Rubin Fenton again with us. He
is a New York Post reporter. He's written his first
novel called Gouihud, and he covers a lot with on
people's minds and one of the latest articles called Unchosen
people cancel book readings. Publisher This Interest Online zero Star
reviews how Israel's war in Godz is turning to a
war in Jewish books and authors. I guess they're going
after the people of the book and anyway possibly including
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using book publishing as a means to get at them.
Speaker 12 (07:50):
Right literally, I mean, what is really at the end
more influential than the written word, And this idea of
suppressing Jewish authors so they're not able to be both
express their duty and or there's Zionism at this stage
is just a very effective way of just silencing the opposition,
which is exactly.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
What we're seeing him. And it's an old tactic.
Speaker 12 (08:09):
I mean, we you know, you can't, it can't help
but bring to mind the Nazi book burnings of the
nineteen thirties and forties, and here we are again, you know,
metaphorically it's the same thing.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
So tell us exactly what's happening, because we have England
is terrible, we get tingling a little bit. In the
United States. What's happened to some of the Jewish authors.
There's a whole list of people being targeted because they're
pro Israel, called zion is a p SEC a dirty name.
If they're called Zionist and they're being banned, well, you
tell us what's going on out there.
Speaker 12 (08:37):
Yeah, And incidentally, I mean it's worth noting that it's
not even it's not entirely Jewish authors, just authors who
might have On October seventh, of October eighth, let's say
an author had posted on Instagram a post supporting Magain
David a Dome for the great work it did and
saving lives after the massacre. Let's say an author had
just done that one single post. Then suddenly, you know,
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a couple of months back, they're finding their name on
this viral spreadsheet that started making its way on social
media and out there.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
And it's this.
Speaker 12 (09:10):
Color coded, deeply researched, sourced spreadsheet created by someone who
obviously knew what they were doing and put many, many,
many hours of work into it and collaborated with with
people who helped her to create this list of.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Some two hundred authors. I mean, I haven't checked it
in a while.
Speaker 12 (09:28):
Maybe it's a lot longer by now, but essentially this
list was, you know, people to boycott based on the
degree of Zionist inclination that they've shown. And it's just
any author who's ever not spoken critically against Israel. So
so sometimes it's just as simple as that, you know,
this author had an opportunity to rip Israel and opted
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not to do that decided to stay neutral in this
social media post. That alone is the isn't the kind
of offense that would earn you a black list on
the spreadsheet.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So what you were thing is ruing is not just
people who are pro Wizrael and have written articles of
books that are proisal. If you didn't speak out against
Gazza what's happening in Gaza, then they put you on
the blacklist anyway.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 12 (10:12):
Or if you just had just written in like a
neutral post that sort of you know, expressed uh more
you know, uh dismay over over the situation in general.
Let's say, oh, that's so terrible that that all these
dudes are massacred, It's so terrible that that Israel is
a firing messol into Gaza, like, you know, just something
like that. That will be too much that like even
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a balance, so to speak, balanced viewpoint.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Now, who came out with that list? You said it
was a lot of research, probably money how to go
into it as well?
Speaker 12 (10:41):
You know, I don't know, you know, sometimes I'm not
that's not necessarily true, by the way. I mean, look
at someone of these activists that marched, you know a
lot of them. This may well, have been a college
student for all. I know, a lot of times there
isn't so much money, but there's just so much youth
and bigger and passion that goes into this. And it's
oftentimes people who don't have folks time jobs. I mean,
it's like it's people who work part time or you know,
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as we all know, it's people who.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Can afford not to work full time, with people.
Speaker 12 (11:08):
Who come from families of means who get sucked into activism.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
I don't know if they're necessarily as money.
Speaker 12 (11:14):
I think I think money wasn't being earned, that's for sure,
so you could look at it that way.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I know, I'm a little more skeptical because these rallies,
and especially on college campuses, weren't spontaneous, and they've shown
that big money has gone into having these demonstrations, some
shortwood hammers and other tools to destroy you, especially on Columbia,
and they're outside agitators that are there that are taking advantage,
and money goes just don't spread out by itself.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Oh short, George Sorows, I mean everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, my son, this is Ford Foundation and a lot
of other groups.
Speaker 12 (11:46):
This is well documented what you're saying and You're absolutely right.
I'm just saying that the people. So there's the physical
marches with all of the banners and all of the
money to get people out on bail and things like
that that do require money.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
But then there's this whole social media.
Speaker 12 (12:00):
Media aspect of it, which does get some funding, I'm sure.
But then like there's all these sort of independent not
really independent, but people who are kind of acting of
their own accord on TikTok. It doesn't it doesn't cost
anything to become a TikTok influencer.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No it doesn't. But you know the people who are
helping you and giving you research and listen to a
lot of Chinese bots and Russian bots that around to Israel.
I think the numbers are astounding that around ti Israel
out there, and it just seems it's a well coordinated
effort to attack Israel. Actually, this is an attack against Jews
in any realm and no matter which way they can.
(12:36):
And this is a book, this is a novel. This
is a novel way of attacking Jews. Where they're going
using the books. So tell us about some of the
other things that are happening for some of the authors,
what are they experiencing.
Speaker 12 (12:46):
Well, so that one of the big things is getting
review bombed, which which can have tremendous consequences on sales. Essentially,
you know, someone with influence will put out a Whi's
the word if, I almost want to say, to basically
destroy this person on their Amazon rankings and on their
good Reads rankings. For those who just don't know what
good reads is, it's a major kind of like a
(13:09):
social media book site where authors you know, can get
various rankings and readers and it's a way to sort
of get your book out there and for readers to
share their experiences in review books. Anyway, Amazon and Goodreads
are the two big ones, and essentially you'll you'll get
I was talking to I was talking to this Israeli author,
Talia Carner, you know, and she just was describing to
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me waking up in the morning and she had all
these texts like, oh, I'm so sorry, Talia, what can
I do to help? And she didn't know what they
were talking about at first, and it turned out that somebody,
somebody guided her to her good Reads page were like
something like a thousand, hundreds, if not a thousand, people
had overnight. Okay, you know, because one TikTok girl had
ordered out this decree bombed her and given her one
(13:52):
star ratings on her good Reads and just called well,
you know, either they wouldn't explain their one star review
or they would simply write something like zionist author as
their explanation. But the bottom line is, I mean, it
sinks your ratings. And we all know that when it
comes to buying things, you know, you look at reviews
for everything.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
I mean that's just instinctive.
Speaker 12 (14:11):
So you also just personally has an average of two
and a half stars.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
That can't be good. I'm going to buy it. So
that's a major thing. And then other things too.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Now, is there any way to get the pro Israel community,
people who are supportive of Jews in Israel to do
supportive and say I like this book, I want to
support the book. Is that the way of weighing it?
Speaker 6 (14:30):
You know?
Speaker 12 (14:30):
Funny you mentioned because I spoke to a couple of them.
There was this one author, Gret Gillman, who's a well
known actor. He appeared in like in the show Stranger
Things and things like that. He's kind of a character
actor slash comedian. Anyway, he came out with a book
and he double things like this. He actually said that
that one way or another, just the amount of support
he got in the wake of the harassment, actually he
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believes actually boosted sales. Funny enough, I mean, sometimes it
has an adverse effect because Jews feels so strong, you know,
Jews are so upset about what's going on when word
gets out about something bad happening.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
To one of our own.
Speaker 12 (15:06):
I mean, we really do rally together, you know, without
the viciousness of the other, of the opposition.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Of course, no, listen, It just seems to me that
we have a situation where, for example, that's store in
Manhattan where everybody walked out in the coffee shop they
wouldn't want to serve Jews, and everybody else came into
help out. It seemed to me that we should be
being together to support the Israelian Jewish authors that are
getting this zion Is shaming, which to me is a
(15:34):
badge of honor. But I guess it's a dirty word.
Is it a dirty word in book publishing? Zionist?
Speaker 12 (15:40):
Unfortunately, yes, it's a dirty word in publishing, and in fact,
the word Israel is a dirty word in publishing. As
a quick side and I just happened to be watching
a movie that the latest Mission Impossible movie, and just
very briefly, the mentioned Israel as a list of countries
that's dealing with such and such crisis, fictional crisis of
the story of the movie. And I was just thinking, like,
if that movie were made right now, I bet they
(16:00):
would leave Israel out of it and just not mention
it because just the I word, it's just it could
just causes such an uproar just the acknowledgment of the
existence of Israel is so people are so afraid of that,
And it wouldn't surprise me if the movie had left
the word out. I mean, book, you do not want
to mention the word and it's it's just a terrible,
(16:21):
terrible thing.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
I mean Zionist, of course.
Speaker 12 (16:24):
Okay, you want to leave out I mean because you
know those publishers, there's staff, they've been there, their staff
has been infiltrated by activists. This is true in media
as well as we all know. But activists have taken
over the publishing industry at large. What's become this incredibly
incredibly quote unquote progressive but really like in a very
negative way, industry and we're just dealing with this now.
(16:48):
I have to say, like if I were trying to
sell a book right now, I don't know, like if
I had any hope of getting published, like I might
leave the words Zionist.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
That I mean, it's a horrible thing to own up to.
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Our guest is Roomy Fent and reporter for the New
York Posts. His new book is called Goihood. Then you've
written the fast and the article called un Chosen, people
cancel book readings. Publisher This Interest online zero star reviews
how Israel's Warren Godza is turning to a war on
Jewish books on authors. Has it affected your book Goyhood?
Speaker 6 (23:44):
You know?
Speaker 12 (23:44):
Funny enough, it hasn't yet as far as I know,
And I'm just gonna hold it up again, just you know,
so so viewers know what we're talking about here.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
This is a deeply Jewish novel. It's not a religious.
Speaker 12 (23:55):
Novel, but it's it's it's obviously very deeply Jewish them
as you can talk about the title and the story
involving this orthodox Jew who discovers is not really a
Jew in middle Age, and it goes on this whole
kind of road trip through the.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Deep South, on a journey of self discovery with a
strange twin brother.
Speaker 12 (24:12):
Has it affected itself. I don't believe so. And that
might just because I'm not that active on social media.
That's a personal choice of mind. It's not out of
fear of anti Semitism or it's just I generally just
sort of philosophical reasons, but that my preference is not
to be very active on social media.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Not a Jewish thing at all.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Our publishers afraid to publish books now in Israel, in
the United States.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
That's my understanding.
Speaker 12 (24:35):
Yes, that's that's sort of the you know, anecdotally speaking,
you know, it's very hard to get somebody to admit
to that. Pretty much nobody will, although you know there
have been admissions to that. There was it was one
of the English papers a few months back and an agent,
you know, went not on the record, anonymously, a literary
agent of Britain said, look, you know, we're like, nobody
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wants to take on Jewish authors.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Right now, and I think you have the publishers who
wrote don't want to touch Jewish books.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
That could well be. I mean, it's it's it's you know,
these things are.
Speaker 12 (25:05):
Obviously you can't say these things out loud anymore than
a pro Palestinian activist would ever admit they're anti Semitic.
But yeah, in their mind it makes good business sense
to not get involved with the Jews right now, which
is just such a far cry from where we were
had the Jewish heyday of Jewish books. Let's say in
the nineteen fifties, the nineteen seventies, so many great Jewish
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authors where there at the top of the literary world.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
And we're not at that anymore. And there's a reason
for that. It's not because of a lack of Jewish authors,
right there.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Are lots of Jewish authors. And it's more than just
the fact that Jewish authors are being ostracized for being
pro Israel. You have companies like Random House, a major publisher,
have published a Palesthenian book that's very anti is or
visiously anti Israel. They called me a Liionis.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
That's the name of the ball Alians.
Speaker 12 (25:50):
They were probably like in the first just in the
in the prologue or chapter one or whatever it was.
I was reading it I was like, it was like
getting a hit with a stapler over and over again
by the end, by the n of inconsistencies and just
outright lies that were just in the very beginning as
she kind of gets into the history of Israel and
the Israel Palestinian conflict, and it just kills me because
(26:12):
she and this sort of this larger trend of seeking
out books that have been written by you know, BIPOC
and LGBTQ and anybody who sort of considered the underdog
right now, that's the larger trend right now. So you know,
it's no wonder the publishers, you know, to see about
Oh Palestinian. I like this, this is just so on
(26:32):
right now.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
But are people actually buying these books? That's what I'm
wonder And there was at backfired with some of them,
with all these campaigns, you know, especially with the beer
company and the others were backfired and targeted with backfired
with some of these who campaigns. Are people actually buying
these books in great numbers?
Speaker 12 (26:51):
You know, it's such a good question that I don't know,
And I wonder the exact same thing, because I mean,
I could argue that maybe they do, because maybe, like
maybe readers at large or the sorts of people that
are sort of in with with with trends to begin with,
and and there I think maybe maybe your average reader
tends to be to lean more to the left to
(27:12):
begin with them, just Tom speaking strictly on average, Like
you know, there are many conservative readers as well. But
but the question is, yeah, are people actually reading there
is this or is there some delusion that there is
some huge demand for this and people are just dying too.
I almost think it goes beyond business at this point,
and I think it has more to do with this
with chasing an ideology at all costs.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
But don't they don't want to make money with these books?
Probably almost want.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
To make money.
Speaker 12 (27:41):
I mean somehow I don't know what's going or or
maybe maybe they're like, Okay, well, at least we have
we have, we have a moral obligation now to at
least publish that is, at least a certain percentage of
our books should represent.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
These underdogs.
Speaker 12 (27:56):
And we can and we and we can kind of
like put those on the top of our on the
tops of our catalog, but like, but we really know
that these books aren't really making any money. But at
least we can have them on the top of our
catalog and make our money with our usual our usual hits,
reliable James Patterson's and Stephen Kings and all people like that.
Who knows, you know, it might just be a show.
(28:18):
I can only speculate, But I find it like odd
that that that such a high percentage of the world
is just so as obsessed with these topics as publishers are.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Now. In the book they called Me a line is
which is published my Random House. It supposedly they you know,
it talks about Israeli forces arrest of Tamini Lloyda by
alger Zero's a Palestinian Rosa Parks over an instagram both
threatening to slaughter is really settlers, that's the Rosa Parks
And this is what they're championing in the books. This
(28:51):
is the person that they're promoting. We're I'm just running
with the backlashes because we're not talking about just Palestinian
rewriting of history. We're talking about she's calling for this
lord of Israeli settlers. How do they get away with it?
That's why where we and we maybe we should do
a campaign against Random House. In all these companies maybe
there should be a listing of a Jewish listing of
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those that are anti Israel.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
You know what, we are the people in the book
after all?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Or not, So why can't we do it? If they
can do it, why can't we do it?
Speaker 12 (29:19):
I think despite our small percentage of the world's population,
we are probably have an outsized percentage of the world's readers.
We represent and and and by the way, you know,
like what you're I mean, what you're talking about? How
how why is there no backlashes the man? I mean,
you know, this is just an extension or just one
of the many, many tentacles of for example, Propel sitting
(29:39):
Raleigh yesterday in New York where where like everybody's just called,
you know, praising the guy, the Hamas leader, who was
who was killed in the target and striking Iran. I mean,
there's so much love for Iran right now. There's so
much love for for Hamas right now, open love for
Hamas right now in New York. I mean, I mean
a terrorist organization. You know, this the world we live in,
(30:01):
It's the world of insanity.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I just wish these Palestinian supporters, COMA supporters will go
live there for a month or two may walk away
with it. I mean I walk away period.
Speaker 12 (30:12):
I would love to see you know, trans for you know,
the trans for Palestine, trans for Gaza marchers. I would
just love them to be trans transferred to Gaza and
like let them march over there and see how it goes.
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Speaker 3 (39:00):
Our guest, ruben Vent, and he's writes very well. A
New York Post reporter. He's first book is called Goihood,
and he writes some very interesting things in his latest article.
Golia is a great book. It's a novel. And his
latest article deals with book banning and book shaming of Jews.
Unchosen people cancel book readings, publishing this interest online zero
star reviews. Where's war in? God's's turn into a war
(39:22):
on Jewish books and authors. Now we're not only talking
about shaming those that are supporting Israel, not only talking
about pro Palestinian and pro Caramas books that are being
published by major publishers, but even some book stores are
now boycott and you won't put Jewish authors. I think
you're right about stores in LA like Skylight Books. I'm
give you more shelf space. The Palestinian voices, including the
(39:45):
book that we just mentioned about, they called me a
lioness than they are to Jewish books.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Yep, you got to go with what's trending.
Speaker 12 (39:52):
Okay, that's that seems to be the business acumen and
business acumen and ideology are now so intertwined that what
we don't. We don't understand anymore the business sense behind
a lot of these decisions. But yes, bookstores, bookstores are
canceling events that are there. The Brett Gellman I was
talking about earlier with his book, Uh he had four
(40:15):
events canceled by bookstores, and he was supposed to do signings.
They all canceled them because, you know, allegedly they had
received threats that there were going to be some protests
outside if he showed up, so they canceled on him.
Uh So listen, I mean bookstores, literary agents, publishing houses.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Okay, these are all it's all.
Speaker 12 (40:34):
One big giant family, and and trends are going to
be true, are going to stay true among all of them.
I mean the fact that, honestly, the fact that I
got this book, I was able to obtain a literary
agent for this book happens to be a Jewish guy,
no surprise, who got me a deal with it with
a publisher, secular publish, not a Jewish publisher. And the
(40:55):
fact that they loved it and they've been so supportive.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Along the way.
Speaker 12 (40:59):
I mean, I feel like I've died and gone to heaven,
Like I'm just dreaming this whole thing up, because it
really does feel miraculous to me that this has worked
out at all, And I'm just waiting for somebody to
pinch me so I wake up.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Will you say that you would have trouble if you
today you went to a book publisher, get an agent
to publish your book, you find it more difficult? Is
that what you believe?
Speaker 12 (41:19):
I got the deal before October seventh, and you know,
a fair wild before October seven because everything moved slowly
in publishing.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
But it would be hard.
Speaker 12 (41:30):
I will be And not only would it be harder,
but I begin I'd be under so much stress. In addition,
you know, you know, publishing a book is a very
stressful endeavor because you're waiting and you're waiting, and there's
a lot of rejection, so there's a lot of it
weighs on your morale.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
It's a very very difficult thing.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
But how many times how many book publishers turned it
down before you found one that was willing to publish it?
Speaker 6 (41:51):
Dozens, you know, and maybe as many as fifty or
something like that. Which is which is? Which is that par.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
For the course?
Speaker 6 (42:00):
Uh?
Speaker 13 (42:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (42:02):
Yeah, well yes, and no, I mean, you know, if
I think for a debut author, it's really hard in general.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
So to me, it fits.
Speaker 12 (42:09):
Within the range of par for the courts only because
the industry is so crazy and so unpredictable. Like you know,
had had a different editor at one of the other
publishing houses looked at it and just happened to love it.
Because it's so subjective, this whole industry, maybe they would
have loved it and would have said yes to it
on a different day, who knows, you know what I mean.
(42:29):
But I wasn't really surprised by the outcome. As a
matter of fact, they have been a previous novel. I'll
just mentioned real quick that I had written totally not
like not you wish at all, like a sort of
a young adult fantasy type of book that I'd written
for commercial purposes and that I wasn't and that was
rejected unanimously. I never got that off the ground, so,
(42:50):
you know, like it's too it's too varied to really
draw any conclusions about this industry at all. But I
would have been my stress sort of would have been
I think, you know, at least doubled that I've been
dealing with this after October seventh.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Wow, But and I said that people should be banning
and supporting, But you do write about an organizational artists
against anti Semitism, which maybe they should be more groups likely,
What tell us about this particular group.
Speaker 12 (43:19):
Well, it's a group of women that got It's all women.
They got together, each one of them as as a novelist.
There may be a nonfiction writer, and I'm not sure,
but bottom line is they they saw the need to
get together because they and this came about, you know,
not long after our temper seventh.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
They just couldn't. They were just overcome by.
Speaker 12 (43:37):
The amount of anti semitism on social media, and they
they got together and they raised money for different you know,
to bring awareness to in college.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
Campuses and things like that.
Speaker 12 (43:49):
I mean, you know, it's Jewish authors who are who
are trying to fight back against a trend. I mean,
how effective are they in the scheme of things? You know,
every little bit counts. I mean, you know, I don't
know if it's measurable, but the bottom line is they're trying.
They're trying to just get awareness if it's out there.
I mean, what else can you really do but get
awareness out that these problems exist and there's this constant
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awareness campaign, a constant pr campaign that we're constantly fighting,
and I doing this show right now as part of them,
is part of an effort to get the word out
about a problem.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
But what seemed to me that we're not doing enough
if you have these Palestinian ramas, you know, supporters that
are putting together the lists and spending time and effort,
maybe not so much money, I don't know, but why
are we doing the same thing. Why aren't to be
promoting our authors and fighting them and you even writing
this book about this book from Random House about the
(44:43):
lion Is they call they have there's somebody who's trying
to get a ban from schools. I think some schools
are using that as a textbook, right, Yeah, for sure,
So this is dangerous where you have you're teaching kids.
They called me a line is somebody trying to get
out of school curriculum. He's having very little success doing
so the schools and I assume the public schools and
other schools that are buying these books and giving out
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to the students.
Speaker 6 (45:05):
Yeah, I mean, we we do have our We do
have our spokespeople.
Speaker 12 (45:09):
You know, we have people like Noah Tishbe and we
I'm sure you know, and and all kinds of activists
who do get out there, but you know, we're not
the resistance. That's the problem. I mean, you know, we
we should be the resistance, but we don't. We don't
have the resistance narrative, partly because you know, Israel is
on the offense right now. It's it's it's a defensive
(45:31):
tactic to fight in Gaza, but it's.
Speaker 6 (45:33):
It's technically offensive, you know.
Speaker 12 (45:37):
And and that and that fact alone means that we
don't have the upper hand and the narrative because we're.
Speaker 6 (45:44):
Not the resistance. You know. So the resistance can do
all kinds of things like.
Speaker 12 (45:48):
Break laws, block bridges, uh you know, march on the
streets on sanctioned and clog up traffic and not be
arrested for doing it because they have that sort of
right in a sense they have they have that uh,
that ability that they have, that that narrative that they can.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
They're protected, they're protected by it.
Speaker 12 (46:10):
And they also own the narrative of the oppress. They've
seized it. It's theirs, okay. And and we, you know,
are our tiny little Jewish nation is the oppress. So
you know, people are fighting this. You know, I'm we're
you know, we're all doing our part, but I mean,
we are the minority in this. And it's also like,
let's be honestly, and I say this all the time,
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I mean to break laws and block bridges like that.
So isn't our way, the Jewish way to begin with?
So to use like the the the underhanded tactics, the
nasty tactics of of shouting people down, let's say like that,
that's something that happens all the time with with pro Palestinians,
just shouting down the opposing voice until they shut up.
Speaker 6 (46:53):
That is not our way.
Speaker 12 (46:54):
Where we're We're into dialogues, We're until speaking and having
rational discussions. I think, like I mean, in my it
might almost be like a genetic part of who we are.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
But you know we're too quiet. I always give this
story and if I mentioned a two years ago, Channel
thirteen WNET in New York had a lot of anti
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was the vice president, the Jewish Fellow, and he said,
you know what he said to us, you guys are
too nice. We sell We tell the gay groups, oh,
we're never going to give into demonstration. You know what
(47:26):
we do, we say no when we do it. You
guys are too nice. You don't protest, you don't do
anything we don't. You know, that's the problem.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
And he's right, He's absolutely right. And I was reflecting
on that.
Speaker 12 (47:36):
In June, I was at the Israel Day Parade and
just you know, it was a beautiful parade. Everybody so
well behaved. We're all dressed uniformly in blue shirt, blue
t shirts, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, upbeat music like it couldn't
couldn't be nicer. And I'm like, this parade doesn't hold
a finger because I marched as covering a newsperson covering
(47:57):
these propels, and I've covered our march in probably eight
or nine them, something like that march went across the
Williamsburg Bridge, illegally illegal march across the willings Were Bridge,
the hell traffic up for hours, the the the energy
that that crowd brings at their at their marches.
Speaker 6 (48:14):
Our Isiel Lay parade doesn't hold a finger to it.
Speaker 12 (48:17):
I mean the the energy, and frankly, I hate to
use the word the positivity really.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Well, the hatred fuels it too. If you hate something
you're going to go all out.
Speaker 12 (48:28):
It's a hatred fuel positive like they make it look
like a positive message and everybody gets on board because
it's so inspiring and I mean like it truly is
a psych to behold. You've never seen one of these things,
the drums, the chance, I mean it is, the brazennesses
of it is is inspiring.
Speaker 6 (48:45):
I'm just gonna come out and say that outright. And yeah,
so so when you you know, and and.
Speaker 12 (48:52):
That compared to our tame little you know, well, we'll
have two hundred three hundred thousand people gather at the
at the lawn at the Capitol Hill.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
Very very nice. Speech is beautiful.
Speaker 12 (49:01):
No, no, But at the same time, we're not going
to break the law and we're not going to be asking,
we're not going to insult police officers, and we're not
gonna get but.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
We're not bringing the American flag like these commands demonstrators
are doing.
Speaker 12 (49:15):
We won't bring the American we won't say hateful things
and we and we because we are. It's just we're
civilized and look at us, like most of us are
like professionals, you know what I mean, like educated, Like
it's just like we are. We are people of the world.
We're like out where what's the world upstanding out citizens?
Speaker 3 (49:31):
And no, listen, it's we don't do this kind of
stuff that that they do. But maybe there's a middle
road where we should be having some loud screaming them
and we're notut breaking the laws screaming you know, at
these politicians, screaming at these these media that are really
to have a Palestine and Kamas narrative.
Speaker 12 (49:48):
These things are held all the time. I mean, you
know there there's there's always events going on. I was,
I'm always getting emails about about rallies being held here
and there.
Speaker 6 (49:57):
But yeah, I don't know. I mean I don't. I don't.
Speaker 12 (50:02):
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effective somewhat. But again, I mean, like when you're not
holding the narrative card about being the underdog.
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Listen, there was a time.
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I mean, the world has changed so much, but when
Israel was established as a state, there was plenty of
opposition for sure, but like U n conside, Israel was
like it was like a little undogged hero that that
everybody was rooting for in the sixty war and times
like that, I mean you went loved it, loved Israel
when it was brand new, you know, and.
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And by the way, it's not just today, it's you know,
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could be it was something else a year ago, George Floyd.
So they have, you know, always looking for something to
galvanize people, and really it's a way of undermining our country,
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I let you go. New York Posts is a great
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but I mean we're really one of the few, and unfortunately,
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It would be nice if we if more people listen
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Speaker 3 (07:27):
It's great to have Rubin Fenton again with us. He
is a New York Post reporter. He's written his first
novel called Gouihud, and he covers a lot with on
people's minds and one of the latest articles called Unchosen
people cancel book readings. Publisher This Interest Online zero Star
reviews how Israel's war in Godz is turning to a
war in Jewish books and authors. I guess they're going
after the people of the book and anyway possibly including
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using book publishing as a means to get at them.
Speaker 12 (07:50):
Right literally, I mean, what is really at the end
more influential than the written word, And this idea of
suppressing Jewish authors so they're not able to be both
express their duty and or there's Zionism at this stage
is just a very effective way of just silencing the opposition,
which is exactly.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
What we're seeing him. And it's an old tactic.
Speaker 12 (08:09):
I mean, we you know, you can't, it can't help
but bring to mind the Nazi book burnings of the
nineteen thirties and forties, and here we are again, you know,
metaphorically it's the same thing.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
So tell us exactly what's happening, because we have England
is terrible, we get tingling a little bit. In the
United States. What's happened to some of the Jewish authors.
There's a whole list of people being targeted because they're
pro Israel, called zion is a p SEC a dirty name.
If they're called Zionist and they're being banned, well, you
tell us what's going on out there.
Speaker 12 (08:37):
Yeah, And incidentally, I mean it's worth noting that it's
not even it's not entirely Jewish authors, just authors who
might have On October seventh, of October eighth, let's say
an author had posted on Instagram a post supporting Magain
David a Dome for the great work it did and
saving lives after the massacre. Let's say an author had
just done that one single post. Then suddenly, you know,
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a couple of months back, they're finding their name on
this viral spreadsheet that started making its way on social
media and out there.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
And it's this.
Speaker 12 (09:10):
Color coded, deeply researched, sourced spreadsheet created by someone who
obviously knew what they were doing and put many, many,
many hours of work into it and collaborated with with
people who helped her to create this list of.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Some two hundred authors. I mean, I haven't checked it
in a while.
Speaker 12 (09:28):
Maybe it's a lot longer by now, but essentially this
list was, you know, people to boycott based on the
degree of Zionist inclination that they've shown. And it's just
any author who's ever not spoken critically against Israel. So
so sometimes it's just as simple as that, you know,
this author had an opportunity to rip Israel and opted
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not to do that decided to stay neutral in this
social media post. That alone is the isn't the kind
of offense that would earn you a black list on
the spreadsheet.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So what you were thing is ruing is not just
people who are pro Wizrael and have written articles of
books that are proisal. If you didn't speak out against
Gazza what's happening in Gaza, then they put you on
the blacklist anyway.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 12 (10:12):
Or if you just had just written in like a
neutral post that sort of you know, expressed uh more
you know, uh dismay over over the situation in general.
Let's say, oh, that's so terrible that that all these
dudes are massacred, It's so terrible that that Israel is
a firing messol into Gaza, like, you know, just something
like that. That will be too much that like even
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a balance, so to speak, balanced viewpoint.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Now, who came out with that list? You said it
was a lot of research, probably money how to go
into it as well?
Speaker 12 (10:41):
You know, I don't know, you know, sometimes I'm not
that's not necessarily true, by the way. I mean, look
at someone of these activists that marched, you know a
lot of them. This may well, have been a college
student for all. I know, a lot of times there
isn't so much money, but there's just so much youth
and bigger and passion that goes into this. And it's
oftentimes people who don't have folks time jobs. I mean,
it's like it's people who work part time or you know,
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as we all know, it's people who.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Can afford not to work full time, with people.
Speaker 12 (11:08):
Who come from families of means who get sucked into activism.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
I don't know if they're necessarily as money.
Speaker 12 (11:14):
I think I think money wasn't being earned, that's for sure,
so you could look at it that way.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I know, I'm a little more skeptical because these rallies,
and especially on college campuses, weren't spontaneous, and they've shown
that big money has gone into having these demonstrations, some
shortwood hammers and other tools to destroy you, especially on Columbia,
and they're outside agitators that are there that are taking advantage,
and money goes just don't spread out by itself.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Oh short, George Sorows, I mean everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, my son, this is Ford Foundation and a lot
of other groups.
Speaker 12 (11:46):
This is well documented what you're saying and You're absolutely right.
I'm just saying that the people. So there's the physical
marches with all of the banners and all of the
money to get people out on bail and things like
that that do require money.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
But then there's this whole social media.
Speaker 12 (12:00):
Media aspect of it, which does get some funding, I'm sure.
But then like there's all these sort of independent not
really independent, but people who are kind of acting of
their own accord on TikTok. It doesn't it doesn't cost
anything to become a TikTok influencer.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No it doesn't. But you know the people who are
helping you and giving you research and listen to a
lot of Chinese bots and Russian bots that around to Israel.
I think the numbers are astounding that around ti Israel
out there, and it just seems it's a well coordinated
effort to attack Israel. Actually, this is an attack against Jews
in any realm and no matter which way they can.
(12:36):
And this is a book, this is a novel. This
is a novel way of attacking Jews. Where they're going
using the books. So tell us about some of the
other things that are happening for some of the authors,
what are they experiencing.
Speaker 12 (12:46):
Well, so that one of the big things is getting
review bombed, which which can have tremendous consequences on sales. Essentially,
you know, someone with influence will put out a Whi's
the word if, I almost want to say, to basically
destroy this person on their Amazon rankings and on their
good Reads rankings. For those who just don't know what
good reads is, it's a major kind of like a
(13:09):
social media book site where authors you know, can get
various rankings and readers and it's a way to sort
of get your book out there and for readers to
share their experiences in review books. Anyway, Amazon and Goodreads
are the two big ones, and essentially you'll you'll get
I was talking to I was talking to this Israeli author,
Talia Carner, you know, and she just was describing to
(13:31):
me waking up in the morning and she had all
these texts like, oh, I'm so sorry, Talia, what can
I do to help? And she didn't know what they
were talking about at first, and it turned out that somebody,
somebody guided her to her good Reads page were like
something like a thousand, hundreds, if not a thousand, people
had overnight. Okay, you know, because one TikTok girl had
ordered out this decree bombed her and given her one
(13:52):
star ratings on her good Reads and just called well,
you know, either they wouldn't explain their one star review
or they would simply write something like zionist author as
their explanation. But the bottom line is, I mean, it
sinks your ratings. And we all know that when it
comes to buying things, you know, you look at reviews
for everything.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
I mean that's just instinctive.
Speaker 12 (14:11):
So you also just personally has an average of two
and a half stars.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
That can't be good. I'm going to buy it. So
that's a major thing. And then other things too.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Now, is there any way to get the pro Israel community,
people who are supportive of Jews in Israel to do
supportive and say I like this book, I want to
support the book. Is that the way of weighing it?
Speaker 6 (14:30):
You know?
Speaker 12 (14:30):
Funny you mentioned because I spoke to a couple of them.
There was this one author, Gret Gillman, who's a well
known actor. He appeared in like in the show Stranger
Things and things like that. He's kind of a character
actor slash comedian. Anyway, he came out with a book
and he double things like this. He actually said that
that one way or another, just the amount of support
he got in the wake of the harassment, actually he
(14:54):
believes actually boosted sales. Funny enough, I mean, sometimes it
has an adverse effect because Jews feels so strong, you know,
Jews are so upset about what's going on when word
gets out about something bad happening.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
To one of our own.
Speaker 12 (15:06):
I mean, we really do rally together, you know, without
the viciousness of the other, of the opposition.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Of course, no, listen, It just seems to me that
we have a situation where, for example, that's store in
Manhattan where everybody walked out in the coffee shop they
wouldn't want to serve Jews, and everybody else came into
help out. It seemed to me that we should be
being together to support the Israelian Jewish authors that are
getting this zion Is shaming, which to me is a
(15:34):
badge of honor. But I guess it's a dirty word.
Is it a dirty word in book publishing? Zionist?
Speaker 12 (15:40):
Unfortunately, yes, it's a dirty word in publishing, and in fact,
the word Israel is a dirty word in publishing. As
a quick side and I just happened to be watching
a movie that the latest Mission Impossible movie, and just
very briefly, the mentioned Israel as a list of countries
that's dealing with such and such crisis, fictional crisis of
the story of the movie. And I was just thinking, like,
if that movie were made right now, I bet they
(16:00):
would leave Israel out of it and just not mention
it because just the I word, it's just it could
just causes such an uproar just the acknowledgment of the
existence of Israel is so people are so afraid of that,
And it wouldn't surprise me if the movie had left
the word out. I mean, book, you do not want
to mention the word and it's it's just a terrible,
(16:21):
terrible thing.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
I mean Zionist, of course.
Speaker 12 (16:24):
Okay, you want to leave out I mean because you
know those publishers, there's staff, they've been there, their staff
has been infiltrated by activists. This is true in media
as well as we all know. But activists have taken
over the publishing industry at large. What's become this incredibly
incredibly quote unquote progressive but really like in a very
negative way, industry and we're just dealing with this now.
(16:48):
I have to say, like if I were trying to
sell a book right now, I don't know, like if
I had any hope of getting published, like I might
leave the words Zionist.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
That I mean, it's a horrible thing to own up to.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
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Speaker 3 (23:26):
Our guest is Roomy Fent and reporter for the New
York Posts. His new book is called Goihood. Then you've
written the fast and the article called un Chosen, people
cancel book readings. Publisher This Interest online zero star reviews
how Israel's Warren Godza is turning to a war on
Jewish books on authors. Has it affected your book Goyhood?
Speaker 6 (23:44):
You know?
Speaker 12 (23:44):
Funny enough, it hasn't yet as far as I know,
And I'm just gonna hold it up again, just you know,
so so viewers know what we're talking about here.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
This is a deeply Jewish novel. It's not a religious.
Speaker 12 (23:55):
Novel, but it's it's it's obviously very deeply Jewish them
as you can talk about the title and the story
involving this orthodox Jew who discovers is not really a
Jew in middle Age, and it goes on this whole
kind of road trip through the.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Deep South, on a journey of self discovery with a
strange twin brother.
Speaker 12 (24:12):
Has it affected itself. I don't believe so. And that
might just because I'm not that active on social media.
That's a personal choice of mind. It's not out of
fear of anti Semitism or it's just I generally just
sort of philosophical reasons, but that my preference is not
to be very active on social media.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Not a Jewish thing at all.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Our publishers afraid to publish books now in Israel, in
the United States.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
That's my understanding.
Speaker 12 (24:35):
Yes, that's that's sort of the you know, anecdotally speaking,
you know, it's very hard to get somebody to admit
to that. Pretty much nobody will, although you know there
have been admissions to that. There was it was one
of the English papers a few months back and an agent,
you know, went not on the record, anonymously, a literary
agent of Britain said, look, you know, we're like, nobody
(24:57):
wants to take on Jewish authors.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Right now, and I think you have the publishers who
wrote don't want to touch Jewish books.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
That could well be. I mean, it's it's it's you know,
these things are.
Speaker 12 (25:05):
Obviously you can't say these things out loud anymore than
a pro Palestinian activist would ever admit they're anti Semitic.
But yeah, in their mind it makes good business sense
to not get involved with the Jews right now, which
is just such a far cry from where we were
had the Jewish heyday of Jewish books. Let's say in
the nineteen fifties, the nineteen seventies, so many great Jewish
(25:26):
authors where there at the top of the literary world.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
And we're not at that anymore. And there's a reason
for that. It's not because of a lack of Jewish authors,
right there.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Are lots of Jewish authors. And it's more than just
the fact that Jewish authors are being ostracized for being
pro Israel. You have companies like Random House, a major publisher,
have published a Palesthenian book that's very anti is or
visiously anti Israel. They called me a Liionis.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
That's the name of the ball Alians.
Speaker 12 (25:50):
They were probably like in the first just in the
in the prologue or chapter one or whatever it was.
I was reading it I was like, it was like
getting a hit with a stapler over and over again
by the end, by the n of inconsistencies and just
outright lies that were just in the very beginning as
she kind of gets into the history of Israel and
the Israel Palestinian conflict, and it just kills me because
(26:12):
she and this sort of this larger trend of seeking
out books that have been written by you know, BIPOC
and LGBTQ and anybody who sort of considered the underdog
right now, that's the larger trend right now. So you know,
it's no wonder the publishers, you know, to see about
Oh Palestinian. I like this, this is just so on
(26:32):
right now.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
But are people actually buying these books? That's what I'm
wonder And there was at backfired with some of them,
with all these campaigns, you know, especially with the beer
company and the others were backfired and targeted with backfired
with some of these who campaigns. Are people actually buying
these books in great numbers?
Speaker 12 (26:51):
You know, it's such a good question that I don't know,
And I wonder the exact same thing, because I mean,
I could argue that maybe they do, because maybe, like
maybe readers at large or the sorts of people that
are sort of in with with with trends to begin with,
and and there I think maybe maybe your average reader
tends to be to lean more to the left to
(27:12):
begin with them, just Tom speaking strictly on average, Like
you know, there are many conservative readers as well. But
but the question is, yeah, are people actually reading there
is this or is there some delusion that there is
some huge demand for this and people are just dying too.
I almost think it goes beyond business at this point,
and I think it has more to do with this
with chasing an ideology at all costs.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
But don't they don't want to make money with these books?
Probably almost want.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
To make money.
Speaker 12 (27:41):
I mean somehow I don't know what's going or or
maybe maybe they're like, Okay, well, at least we have
we have, we have a moral obligation now to at
least publish that is, at least a certain percentage of
our books should represent.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
These underdogs.
Speaker 12 (27:56):
And we can and we and we can kind of
like put those on the top of our on the
tops of our catalog, but like, but we really know
that these books aren't really making any money. But at
least we can have them on the top of our
catalog and make our money with our usual our usual hits,
reliable James Patterson's and Stephen Kings and all people like that.
Who knows, you know, it might just be a show.
(28:18):
I can only speculate, But I find it like odd
that that that such a high percentage of the world
is just so as obsessed with these topics as publishers are.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Now. In the book they called Me a line is
which is published my Random House. It supposedly they you know,
it talks about Israeli forces arrest of Tamini Lloyda by
alger Zero's a Palestinian Rosa Parks over an instagram both
threatening to slaughter is really settlers, that's the Rosa Parks
And this is what they're championing in the books. This
(28:51):
is the person that they're promoting. We're I'm just running
with the backlashes because we're not talking about just Palestinian
rewriting of history. We're talking about she's calling for this
lord of Israeli settlers. How do they get away with it?
That's why where we and we maybe we should do
a campaign against Random House. In all these companies maybe
there should be a listing of a Jewish listing of
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those that are anti Israel.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
You know what, we are the people in the book
after all?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Or not, So why can't we do it? If they
can do it, why can't we do it?
Speaker 12 (29:19):
I think despite our small percentage of the world's population,
we are probably have an outsized percentage of the world's readers.
We represent and and and by the way, you know,
like what you're I mean, what you're talking about? How
how why is there no backlashes the man? I mean,
you know, this is just an extension or just one
of the many, many tentacles of for example, Propel sitting
(29:39):
Raleigh yesterday in New York where where like everybody's just called,
you know, praising the guy, the Hamas leader, who was
who was killed in the target and striking Iran. I mean,
there's so much love for Iran right now. There's so
much love for for Hamas right now, open love for
Hamas right now in New York. I mean, I mean
a terrorist organization. You know, this the world we live in,
(30:01):
It's the world of insanity.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I just wish these Palestinian supporters, COMA supporters will go
live there for a month or two may walk away
with it. I mean I walk away period.
Speaker 12 (30:12):
I would love to see you know, trans for you know,
the trans for Palestine, trans for Gaza marchers. I would
just love them to be trans transferred to Gaza and
like let them march over there and see how it goes.
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Speaker 3 (39:00):
Our guest, ruben Vent, and he's writes very well. A
New York Post reporter. He's first book is called Goihood,
and he writes some very interesting things in his latest article.
Golia is a great book. It's a novel. And his
latest article deals with book banning and book shaming of Jews.
Unchosen people cancel book readings, publishing this interest online zero
star reviews. Where's war in? God's's turn into a war
(39:22):
on Jewish books and authors. Now we're not only talking
about shaming those that are supporting Israel, not only talking
about pro Palestinian and pro Caramas books that are being
published by major publishers, but even some book stores are
now boycott and you won't put Jewish authors. I think
you're right about stores in LA like Skylight Books. I'm
give you more shelf space. The Palestinian voices, including the
(39:45):
book that we just mentioned about, they called me a
lioness than they are to Jewish books.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Yep, you got to go with what's trending.
Speaker 12 (39:52):
Okay, that's that seems to be the business acumen and
business acumen and ideology are now so intertwined that what
we don't. We don't understand anymore the business sense behind
a lot of these decisions. But yes, bookstores, bookstores are
canceling events that are there. The Brett Gellman I was
talking about earlier with his book, Uh he had four
(40:15):
events canceled by bookstores, and he was supposed to do signings.
They all canceled them because, you know, allegedly they had
received threats that there were going to be some protests
outside if he showed up, so they canceled on him.
Uh So listen, I mean bookstores, literary agents, publishing houses.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Okay, these are all it's all.
Speaker 12 (40:34):
One big giant family, and and trends are going to
be true, are going to stay true among all of them.
I mean the fact that, honestly, the fact that I
got this book, I was able to obtain a literary
agent for this book happens to be a Jewish guy,
no surprise, who got me a deal with it with
a publisher, secular publish, not a Jewish publisher. And the
(40:55):
fact that they loved it and they've been so supportive.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
Along the way.
Speaker 12 (40:59):
I mean, I feel like I've died and gone to heaven,
Like I'm just dreaming this whole thing up, because it
really does feel miraculous to me that this has worked
out at all, And I'm just waiting for somebody to
pinch me so I wake up.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Will you say that you would have trouble if you
today you went to a book publisher, get an agent
to publish your book, you find it more difficult? Is
that what you believe?
Speaker 12 (41:19):
I got the deal before October seventh, and you know,
a fair wild before October seven because everything moved slowly
in publishing.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
But it would be hard.
Speaker 12 (41:30):
I will be And not only would it be harder,
but I begin I'd be under so much stress. In addition,
you know, you know, publishing a book is a very
stressful endeavor because you're waiting and you're waiting, and there's
a lot of rejection, so there's a lot of it
weighs on your morale.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
It's a very very difficult thing.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
But how many times how many book publishers turned it
down before you found one that was willing to publish it?
Speaker 6 (41:51):
Dozens, you know, and maybe as many as fifty or
something like that. Which is which is? Which is that par.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
For the course?
Speaker 6 (42:00):
Uh?
Speaker 13 (42:01):
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Speaker 12 (42:02):
Yeah, well yes, and no, I mean, you know, if
I think for a debut author, it's really hard in general.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
So to me, it fits.
Speaker 12 (42:09):
Within the range of par for the courts only because
the industry is so crazy and so unpredictable. Like you know,
had had a different editor at one of the other
publishing houses looked at it and just happened to love it.
Because it's so subjective, this whole industry, maybe they would
have loved it and would have said yes to it
on a different day, who knows, you know what I mean.
(42:29):
But I wasn't really surprised by the outcome. As a
matter of fact, they have been a previous novel. I'll
just mentioned real quick that I had written totally not
like not you wish at all, like a sort of
a young adult fantasy type of book that I'd written
for commercial purposes and that I wasn't and that was
rejected unanimously. I never got that off the ground, so,
(42:50):
you know, like it's too it's too varied to really
draw any conclusions about this industry at all. But I
would have been my stress sort of would have been
I think, you know, at least doubled that I've been
dealing with this after October seventh.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Wow, But and I said that people should be banning
and supporting, But you do write about an organizational artists
against anti Semitism, which maybe they should be more groups likely,
What tell us about this particular group.
Speaker 12 (43:19):
Well, it's a group of women that got It's all women.
They got together, each one of them as as a novelist.
There may be a nonfiction writer, and I'm not sure,
but bottom line is they they saw the need to
get together because they and this came about, you know,
not long after our temper seventh.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
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Speaker 12 (43:37):
The amount of anti semitism on social media, and they
they got together and they raised money for different you know,
to bring awareness to in college.
Speaker 6 (43:47):
Campuses and things like that.
Speaker 12 (43:49):
I mean, you know, it's Jewish authors who are who
are trying to fight back against a trend. I mean,
how effective are they in the scheme of things? You know,
every little bit counts. I mean, you know, I don't
know if it's measurable, but the bottom line is they're trying.
They're trying to just get awareness if it's out there.
I mean, what else can you really do but get
awareness out that these problems exist and there's this constant
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awareness campaign, a constant pr campaign that we're constantly fighting,
and I doing this show right now as part of them,
is part of an effort to get the word out
about a problem.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
But what seemed to me that we're not doing enough
if you have these Palestinian ramas, you know, supporters that
are putting together the lists and spending time and effort,
maybe not so much money, I don't know, but why
are we doing the same thing. Why aren't to be
promoting our authors and fighting them and you even writing
this book about this book from Random House about the
(44:43):
lion Is they call they have there's somebody who's trying
to get a ban from schools. I think some schools
are using that as a textbook, right, Yeah, for sure,
So this is dangerous where you have you're teaching kids.
They called me a line is somebody trying to get
out of school curriculum. He's having very little success doing
so the schools and I assume the public schools and
other schools that are buying these books and giving out
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to the students.
Speaker 6 (45:05):
Yeah, I mean, we we do have our We do
have our spokespeople.
Speaker 12 (45:09):
You know, we have people like Noah Tishbe and we
I'm sure you know, and and all kinds of activists
who do get out there, but you know, we're not
the resistance. That's the problem. I mean, you know, we
we should be the resistance, but we don't. We don't
have the resistance narrative, partly because you know, Israel is
on the offense right now. It's it's it's a defensive
(45:31):
tactic to fight in Gaza, but it's.
Speaker 6 (45:33):
It's technically offensive, you know.
Speaker 12 (45:37):
And and that and that fact alone means that we
don't have the upper hand and the narrative because we're.
Speaker 6 (45:44):
Not the resistance. You know. So the resistance can do
all kinds of things like.
Speaker 12 (45:48):
Break laws, block bridges, uh you know, march on the
streets on sanctioned and clog up traffic and not be
arrested for doing it because they have that sort of
right in a sense they have they have that uh,
that ability that they have, that that narrative that they can.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
They're protected, they're protected by it.
Speaker 12 (46:10):
And they also own the narrative of the oppress. They've
seized it. It's theirs, okay. And and we, you know,
are our tiny little Jewish nation is the oppress. So
you know, people are fighting this. You know, I'm we're
you know, we're all doing our part, but I mean,
we are the minority in this. And it's also like,
let's be honestly, and I say this all the time,
(46:31):
I mean to break laws and block bridges like that.
So isn't our way, the Jewish way to begin with?
So to use like the the the underhanded tactics, the
nasty tactics of of shouting people down, let's say like that,
that's something that happens all the time with with pro Palestinians,
just shouting down the opposing voice until they shut up.
Speaker 6 (46:53):
That is not our way.
Speaker 12 (46:54):
Where we're We're into dialogues, We're until speaking and having
rational discussions. I think, like I mean, in my it
might almost be like a genetic part of who we are.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
But you know we're too quiet. I always give this
story and if I mentioned a two years ago, Channel
thirteen WNET in New York had a lot of anti
Israel programming. So we met with Donald Sussman, I think
was the vice president, the Jewish Fellow, and he said,
you know what he said to us, you guys are
too nice. We sell We tell the gay groups, oh,
we're never going to give into demonstration. You know what
(47:26):
we do, we say no when we do it. You
guys are too nice. You don't protest, you don't do
anything we don't. You know, that's the problem.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
And he's right, He's absolutely right. And I was reflecting
on that.
Speaker 12 (47:36):
In June, I was at the Israel Day Parade and
just you know, it was a beautiful parade. Everybody so
well behaved. We're all dressed uniformly in blue shirt, blue
t shirts, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, upbeat music like it couldn't
couldn't be nicer. And I'm like, this parade doesn't hold
a finger because I marched as covering a newsperson covering
(47:57):
these propels, and I've covered our march in probably eight
or nine them, something like that march went across the
Williamsburg Bridge, illegally illegal march across the willings Were Bridge,
the hell traffic up for hours, the the the energy
that that crowd brings at their at their marches.
Speaker 6 (48:14):
Our Isiel Lay parade doesn't hold a finger to it.
Speaker 12 (48:17):
I mean the the energy, and frankly, I hate to
use the word the positivity really.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Well, the hatred fuels it too. If you hate something
you're going to go all out.
Speaker 12 (48:28):
It's a hatred fuel positive like they make it look
like a positive message and everybody gets on board because
it's so inspiring and I mean like it truly is
a psych to behold. You've never seen one of these things,
the drums, the chance, I mean it is, the brazennesses
of it is is inspiring.
Speaker 6 (48:45):
I'm just gonna come out and say that outright. And yeah,
so so when you you know, and and.
Speaker 12 (48:52):
That compared to our tame little you know, well, we'll
have two hundred three hundred thousand people gather at the
at the lawn at the Capitol Hill.
Speaker 6 (48:59):
Very very nice. Speech is beautiful.
Speaker 12 (49:01):
No, no, But at the same time, we're not going
to break the law and we're not going to be asking,
we're not going to insult police officers, and we're not
gonna get but.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
We're not bringing the American flag like these commands demonstrators
are doing.
Speaker 12 (49:15):
We won't bring the American we won't say hateful things
and we and we because we are. It's just we're
civilized and look at us, like most of us are
like professionals, you know what I mean, like educated, Like
it's just like we are. We are people of the world.
We're like out where what's the world upstanding out citizens?
Speaker 3 (49:31):
And no, listen, it's we don't do this kind of
stuff that that they do. But maybe there's a middle
road where we should be having some loud screaming them
and we're notut breaking the laws screaming you know, at
these politicians, screaming at these these media that are really
to have a Palestine and Kamas narrative.
Speaker 12 (49:48):
These things are held all the time. I mean, you
know there there's there's always events going on. I was,
I'm always getting emails about about rallies being held here
and there.
Speaker 6 (49:57):
But yeah, I don't know. I mean I don't. I don't.
Speaker 12 (50:02):
I think we're doing our best and they're they're they're
effective somewhat. But again, I mean, like when you're not
holding the narrative card about being the underdog.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
Listen, there was a time.
Speaker 12 (50:11):
I mean, the world has changed so much, but when
Israel was established as a state, there was plenty of
opposition for sure, but like U n conside, Israel was
like it was like a little undogged hero that that
everybody was rooting for in the sixty war and times
like that, I mean you went loved it, loved Israel
when it was brand new, you know, and.
Speaker 6 (50:29):
It's just it's it's just the times have changed, like
you know, Israel's two power.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yeah, no, it's a Palestinian narrative where they been able
to hijacket, they kidnapped, they taken hostage to the truth
and you tell a bunch of lies and it gets
picked up and you have it amplified by Chinese bots
and Russian bots, and this has been known. Then they
get amplified on social media and you have George Soros
and others funding these kinds of demonstrations and getting out
(50:55):
you know, these demos and everything else is taking place
to millions upon millions of dollars. So they have a strategy.
And by the way, it's not just today, it's you know,
pro comas rallies to Mark could be something else. It
could be it was something else a year ago, George Floyd.
So they have, you know, always looking for something to
galvanize people, and really it's a way of undermining our country,
(51:17):
these demonstrations. So they have an agenda that's there before
I let you go. New York Posts is a great
environment because they have a lot of pro Israel, so
they're not afraid to speak out Israel and Jews.
Speaker 6 (51:27):
It's it's one of the real bastions of it's.
Speaker 12 (51:31):
It's it's become such an institution, and it's become so
trusted really in the past year.
Speaker 6 (51:37):
Because of these events.
Speaker 12 (51:38):
I mean, I can't tell you how many people like
get the whole time, like I just like I just
I just read the New York Post now because it's
the only it's the only news site that isn't going
to drive me out of my mind anymore with with
aggravation and frustration. You know, Listen, we're not perfect, okay,
but I mean we're really one of the few, and unfortunately,
you know, the only downside is that we're speaking.
Speaker 6 (52:00):
To the choir most of the time.
Speaker 12 (52:02):
It would be nice if we if more people listen
to us, but most of them we're just preaching to
the choir.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
Invent in there. We hope you will preach way beyond
the choir, and thank you for the work that you're doing.
The book is called Glihood, It's a novel. Pick it
up and I really love your article and shosen people
about how book publishers and individuals are boycotting Jewish books
just because they're Jewish, anti Semitism for people of.
Speaker 6 (52:28):
The book, Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, well, thank you some mutim.
I'm always grateful for.
Speaker 12 (52:32):
The opportunity to be on here and to speak to
your such a great interviewer, and hope we can do
it again sometimes definitely.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Well yeah, thank you, ring Vent and New York Posts
report great, great job.
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