Tiwa Savage on Healing, New Music & Being in Her Mogul Era

Tiwa Savage on Healing, New Music & Being in Her Mogul Era 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Tema Savage is here today. Do you know what? I
need to take this home so when I need to
like call my son, I could just.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I just feel like it accents like anything like hey,
you know, hey, it's good to see you. Look amazing.
You know. It's just it's just it's like an exclamation
point on anything you say. So you know what I mean.
It's so I'll keep it handy in case something needs
to be accented today. First of all, I haven't seen you, yes,
and quite some time. Last time it was a crucial

(00:41):
time in your life.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
It was a crazy time.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, for those that I don't know, this was maybe
four or five years, Like how long four or five? Yeah,
you had you were being threatened at the time. I
was trying to take myself back to the to the time.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
It was actually on my way to interview.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
On your way to my interview that.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
We got the the you.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Were being like extorted.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Basically I was on my way
to you know, talk about music, and I was so excited,
like it's the first time I'm meeting you. It's iconic
and and I kind of shocked my team and I
was like, you know what, I'm gonna just say it
on it. And then it was just you know, it's
weird how God works. Not weird, it's great how God works.
Because I was coming to see you and you were

(01:28):
the perfect person for me to kind of like speak
about that, you know, and just.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I remember thinking this, poor woman, like because you didn't
even have a chance to process it, like it happened
as you were showing up.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
And then and then what happened after, like what was
the what was the how did you process it? What happened?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Then they released it and the hardest part for me
was seeing how I was blamed for it because I
wasn't expecting that, you know, honestly, I thought, I'm going
to come here, want to speak my truth, explain that.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
People will empathize, Yeah, people will.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Realize that I'm actually a victim going through this or whatever.
And then wake up the next day, the next couple
of days, and it was just like, you're doing this to.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Promote to something. Yeah, you didn't see that. You didn't
see that coming.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I feel like none of that surprises. The Internet is
a brutal is a brutal, brutal place.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
No I was just like how, yeah, would I want
to do that?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
But what about internally, like aside from how everybody else
received it, Like how how how are you dealing? How
did you manage that time?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I just moved on. Yeah, it's now years later that
it hit me of what really happened. I just carried
on like it's cause out there doesn't my my parents
are fine with it. My family is cool, you know,
heads whatever, But yeah, I would say about two three
years later.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
What happened?

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
It was just like a lot of.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Things were happening and I just hit rock bottom. And
then I was just like, you know what, I hadn't
processed a lot of the things that's been happening to me,
and because I was wondering, why am I hitting rock
bottom because of one little thing that happened to me?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
And I think you had so many amazing things.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, and then I had like and it was just
like I hadn't processed that because right after that, my
father passed away and you know, somebody else that was
very close to me past. So it was just like
back to back was it was. It was a tough time, but.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'm so sorry you made it through. The storm, you
made it to the store. Everybody got storms. Man, you
know whose life starts to life? Yeah, but I wonder
how that made you feel, like, you know, because you
were violated, right. I don't remember all the details of
what happened, but I remember, you know, it was a
video that somebody you didn't know.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Did it change how you handle men or trusting or.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I would just feel like there would be fear after that, like, yeah,
you know.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Man, and your lot has happened since then, you know,
later on found out that it was a bet. It
was a bet, Yeah, and this was but this was
someone I was in a relationship with. But I thought
I was in a relationship, but he obviously for whatever reason.
And yeah, but again I don't know. I just yeah,

(04:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Did you have to heal from that? You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I think I still a healing Yeah, And I think
I was still projecting a lot of that into other
relationships that I went into, not even just romantic relationship friendships,
just trust and people just you know, work, and you know,
just changed my whole team. Yeah, I was. Yeah, I
went through just like a stage of like I felt

(04:47):
like I was just cleaning shop. Like normally if someone
does something to me, I'm one of those people that
would like give you one chance to three, four, five, six,
seven chances. And then I went through a period where
I was just like you take my glass of water,
and I'm like, our friendship is done.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
People will get you there.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, And I got that extreme with with this how
I was dealing with life, my patience and my I
was just like snapping and I was in the studio
supposed to record a project and I had to just
let it out.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, that's this album, he says, the most personal, right, Yeah, Yeah,
I just had to let Yeah. And you did I
know that you talked about doing therapy and that type
of stuff. Did that help?

Speaker 1 (05:34):
It did?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:34):
The first you know, the thing about therapy with me
was like the first two people I didn't really.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Say, it's like dating you sometimes if you don't.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
The lady that I eventually ended up, it was amazing, amazing. Yeah,
and it's still something that every once in a while
I'll still be like I need to talk to you again,
And then I could go like two three months and
then like after a while just back and forth, but
someone is the constant in my life.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, well you've been doing well. I mean you you didn't.
It didn't stop you from wanting to create and wanting
to make music.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
And make this album money. So I'm like, listen, I
have a commitment with my label. If I had my choice, no,
but it was good to go back in. It's really
really good to and do this type of because people
weren't really expecting. They were expecting me to do AfroB
and what I've done for the past decade. Yeah, so

(06:32):
for me, it was I wondered that feeling.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Too, because there's this label that people put on you
as you know, Queen of afrobeas people have put that
that title. I just wonder how that affects you when
a title is you know, because titles, but also no
titles sometimes also put you in a box if if
you let it, or you become like it.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Really, for me, aside from the music, it puts me
on how can I explain this. I've been doing like
I've been doing my round and just you know, speaking
my truth and a lot of it has been trending,
you know, so people will say, for instance, you know
this this project, what happened? Why did you want it
to be so? Personally, I'm like, God, this guy did

(07:12):
this to me. And then I see some people be like,
but you're the queen, you're too a savage. How could
you even allow.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I feel like abandoned?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, or they feel like they feel like I've betrayed them,
like they've put me on this pedal stale and they
think that I'm the queen and I can't be heartbroken
or I can't fall for the lies, or I can't
have insecurities, or I can't be depressed, or I can't
be sad.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Well, maybe they expect you to make one type of music.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yes, exactly, one type of music, be one type of way,
be perfect, never make any mistakes, never make any nothing.
And I don't know. For them, I'm like, listen, if
you have your life perfect, then great, I love it
for you, you know, if you have no insecurities. But me,
whether I'm Queen of Aphrobet or not, I'm a woman

(08:01):
and I have insecurities.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
And I feel about that title. Do you still do you?
I don't know, does you feel connected still to that title?
Because I'm sure other people threatened or or try to.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, And Initially, that's how I was running from it
because I didn't want anyone else to feel like I'm
saying I am the whatever. You know, I love. I
love women. I love to see women women as well
as me. So I was running away from it. But
now I'm learning to embrace it because it's like put
in word and you know, we always say that we

(08:32):
want our flowers, and this is some this is my
fans giving me, you know, my flowers. So I'm learning
to accept it. Another thing I used to do is
like I didn't know how to take compliments. Well, so
when you say queen of like no, no, no, I'm not,
Or if someone says to me, oh, you're so beautiful,
so you like, instead of ways to.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Just be like thank you, you want to deflect.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, all the time. And that's what used to happen
when they say Queen of Aphrobe. I would just reject
it and deflect because I never felt like I was
worthy of anything.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Oh I hope therapy help with that.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I would say it's still I'm not
one hundred percent I'm gay, sixty seventy.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Okay, on your way, you are your way. Where do
you feel about the state of approbeats. Now, how do
you feel about what's happening? What do you I don't
know what excited about. I'm still excited about.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I'm still excited that we're in the conversation. I know
initially people were like, it's about fifteen minutes of fame
and it's going to come and go. I'm happy that
we're still in the conversation. I'm happy that you know,
it's still growing. It's still one of the fastest growing genres.
My prayer is do we sustain it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I was going to say, where do you hope to
see it?

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yes? Five, there is the strongest genre like R and
B and hip hop or rock or whatever like globally, Yeah, globally,
and it maintains that growth. But also saying that, I
feel like music in general, there's blood lines. Now. So
even though you have aphrobet, you have afrofusion, afro what

(10:05):
I'm doing like, do you know what I mean? It's
not what do you know that? Yeah? Yeah, on the
nose are aphrobeat. It's a lot. It's influenced a lot
by R and B. Now you know you have Bernard
that does fusion. So I don't know if that genre
is going to remain as what we know it. And
I don't think that's a bad thing because that's happening

(10:25):
with R and B as well, That's happening with every sure, yeah,
with all genres and music. Yeah, the lines are blurred.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
And it evolves. Things don't say the same, and I
think it's a good thing. Hip hop, for sure. It
is not today what hip hop was in ninety eight,
ninety nine or even twenty ten.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, now so different. Do you know what I was watching?
What Ladies Night?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Oh yo, it's so funny to see that iconic. Yeah,
it was pretty great, great, super grateful to have been
in that moment for sure. What how did you see that?

Speaker 1 (11:01):
It's one of my favorite like you know, like women collaborating,
so you know, I always and that crime is my
I love that era era.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, yeah, good times, what it was? Good time?

Speaker 1 (11:14):
The Honeybee.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Right now, right now, right now.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
All right.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
A couple of things, Oh, number one, the twenty twenty
five Forbes Women Africa Media.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Icond of Ward.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Congratulations on that. What is that? What was that experience?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
What is that was different? Because that's like, you know,
eloquent people, people that are you know, like, you know,
you had a city, Yeah, you had a fifteen year
old who invented some electric electricity something something. She went on,
you know, to give her speech, and then I had
to come on and be like wow after that, what
am I even doing?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
What am I hair?

Speaker 1 (11:53):
But it did inspire me to look outside of music,
which is why I say I'm in my mobul era.
It's not just about music for me anymore. It's about
I've just partnered with Berkeley College of Music from Boston.
I want to open I want to be the first
person to open a music school in Africa, partnering with Berkeley,

(12:14):
and I'm a woman doing it too. So things like
that just like what.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
I feel like, what is your vision for that?

Speaker 1 (12:21):
So it's like a school so you go there to
learn engineering and songwriting and music production. I want to
actually build a school with you know, or you get
scholarship and go to study at Boston. For me, I
don't know if I have the gift to open a
record label, but opening a music school, because there's so

(12:41):
many different sides of music that people don't realize. Music
therapy where you use music for canter patients and stuff,
film scoring, you know, the music you hear in movies,
there's someone creating that. Commercial commercials, even music publishing. I
feel like when I say we, I say we Africans.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
We need to learn more of the business.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yes, more about contracts and publishing and royalties and all
that kind of stuff. We need to we need to
educate ourselves. So I would that's my giving back.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I love that. When do you have what's the vision for?
Like when this would happen.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
We're probably announcing. I'm You're getting all the probably next month. Wow,
I'm going to start as early as next year, the
first my first batch of scholarships. Wow.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I love it. It's really good.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I'm gonna hate me. My team are gonna hate. I
want to take this.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Oh no, it's amazing. I love that idea.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, I want to do that.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I want to congrat smile.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Different different different business ventures.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
You know. Let me see. By the way, this is funny.
I know you were on lip service recently, so Tea
said on lip service. This is what you said. T
you were You said on lip service that you would
be open to becoming a second wife.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
I should have prepared for this.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I should he that when you say something like that,
outside that people are going to have follow up questions.
You know that's gonna happen. What has been the response
to that?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Oh my, that's what I'm saying. They were like, you're
the queen?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
How can you say that you deserve to be? I'm like,
have you had any offers?

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I said, Listen, I was I was married as the
first I was the first wife. Where did I get
me the first time?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
When you say you were the first wife?

Speaker 1 (14:22):
I mean I mean the only Okay, yeah, my first marriage.
You know, I was the only one. And here we
are like, I'm down for whatever. Yeah. And sometimes it's
like when I'm when i'm talking, not that I'm not serious,
but I'm figuring out life, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
So I'm just like, it's not a commitment, this is
actually something you want to do.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I'm thinking. I'm like, is that where I'm getting it wrong?
Maybe I should be a second wife? Maybe because I'm
tired of being heartbroke?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Are you really capable of that?

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Though?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
You have to be a certain type of woman to
be able to be okay sharing.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
If I say that, Angie, they are going to drag me.
I can't say I can't say my truth like I
wish I really could be honest and say I don't
want to be. It's not my choice. I don't want
to be. But is there they're gonna I don't want
to be. Let's just leave it at that. I'm looking

(15:16):
for I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Listen, it works for Neo. Neo is finding her. He
says he's happy had Neo in not that long ago.
He's got four he's got four, four girlfriends, and he
is the happiest he's ever been. He says his mother
is happy for him, that he's happy. The kids are
on board, like it's a it's.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
A thing, and in my culture it's not. It's not
strange to marry.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
So why are people so so bad at you again?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Because they've put me on this pedestal in there, like
I deserve to be and I love. I'm not mad
at them for being upset because they just want the
best for me.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Have you experienced that anybody in your family? Like is
that something you've or seen? Friends?

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Or yeah, yeah I have, I have. I have relatives
like that come from a politicous, polygamous family. And listen,
even if they're not legally married, I don't know they're
all cheating. And that's the honest truth. Like I know
so many marriages where they have extra mar like. I mean,
it's not even just in like you.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's pretty much pretty much a global phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
If it's happening anyway.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, you can't beat up and join them.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
I didn't say that. I didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
All right, let's see what's happening in your real life
these days. Let's see the last thing you ate. You said,
steak with lobster mac and cheese. That was lovely. Where
did that come from?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
And this is why this is and that's why that's there.
Where did we get that from? It was last night?

Speaker 2 (16:50):
That was last night. Now I'm hungry. Your go to
karaoke song is the boys Mine?

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Mind? The boy's mind? The boys do you do? Bring
Dimonica Brandy? Even though oh I love you know they're
on tour, both of.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Them, you're both all the you can do all the backgrounds.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Mind the boys mind? The boy is mine.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Your superpower is your irresistible set. And what is the
first thing I said to you when you walked in
the Road's so good?

Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's how I get them.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
She got them, She's gonna get her husband with all
the mother wives.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Get them?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Uh your celebrity crush, you said, Angie match me. Are
you looking to be I see yes, are you really
one hundred percent you're on the market?

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
So would your first choice be okay, so would your
first choice be a one on one relationship? That would
be your first choice? Y?

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, I'm not good at this. Clearly by my post,
I would say you help me. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well? What what? What are you attracted to? First of all,
like you.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Necessary, No, you don't have to be, but someone that's
very talented in whatever field they're doing.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
You like to be creatively inspired? Yes, you have to
be probably be an artist or some type of No,
no artists, Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
If you're like a painter, yes, yes, painter anything, yeah,
any but you have to be like I'm attracted to
when you're really really good at.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
I don't know that many painters. This, this might, this
might put me in a box.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
This might anything. I don't know about athletes.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Athletes are paint in the as Yeah, I mean, no
disrespect not all athletes, I know, I get it. I'm
just saying, if you're doing the mask on street.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I don't know, get you one of them, could you like,
get she one of them to one of them, flipping numbers,
getting sell buying and selling.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, but they're not going to be artistic.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
No, No, they don't have to be.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
They're just going to be. They're gonna be dry. You
think so, I think so.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
They're not going to be. They have to be good
at whatever whatever it is that they're doing. Okay, Yeah,
they just have to be really good.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
If you are a little time in this, if.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
You're a chef or whatever it is you're doing.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
A chef would be good for you because chefs are
creative in what they do.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Right, Yeah, and they will always be food.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
I don't know that many chefs. I know Kwami, but
he's already in a relationship. I really have to put
me on the spot. I'm going to figure this out
and we're going to get back to this. Okay, give me,
give me like forty eight hours. I'm actually not bad
at this right before. Yeah, yes, because yes, but I
have to. I have I have to go down a
string of questions. Okay, okay, what is one thing on

(19:42):
your bucket list? Iceland for the Northern Lights. I want
to do that too.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, I really, really really want to do that. And
I also want to take bikinis in the snow.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
You want to be in a bikini in the snow, take.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Pictures because I see a lot of influences doing that.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Okay, you don't care.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
It will be cool just a few minutes and then
and then we yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Will be freezing. That part of it I don't is
not my What does your pet peeve? When someone says
they have to tell you something later, I hate that.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Tell me now, Oh, don't tell me that you have
to tell me when you're ready.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Somebody said that to me, remind me to tell me,
tell you something when I see you. I was like,
don't do that. FaceTime menone see me to tell me,
just FaceTime me.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, yeah, I hate that.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
The last thing that sent you down a rabbit hole
was DiAngelo? What did you find was it? Because he
passed and.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
You know what, funny enough, before last week I called
my manager and I'm like, he's just been heavy on
my mind. So I started like watching a lot of
documentaries about him and the church and the soul Aquarian
and you know, just everything. And obviously I've been a fan,
and I just went down this rabbit hole of just

(20:54):
like just just just it was just crazy. And then
a few days later.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Just like watching performance and stuff, watching.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
What was it North Seat Jazz Festival. I never seen that.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Pieces, Yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I saw there's a documentary of the last tour, and
he was saying something about he wanted to change a
performance because he feels like the audience know and expected
now because they've seen it on social media, you know.
And then Kevin is it? Kevin Moles was like no,
like they still want to see and then he was

(21:29):
and then they were reading out the comments and they
were saying he was like, this is today, and then he.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Was like, yeah, they such a good soul. He was
such a sweet so yeah, back in the day, he
did a video called Cruising and he had me do
like the opening.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Was a radio announcement.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I remember that day. It was so long ago, but
I remember that day because he had already had Brown Sugar.
He was already like the new guy who's like super talented,
and everybody was like on him. He hadn't done the
how does the Field video yet, he wasn't that guy yet. Well,
he was already there was a lot of hype around
him and whatever, and when I remember, they asked me
to do it and I was like, yeah, of course,
and I went and he was so like he was

(22:10):
just so happy I was there and like gracious and grateful,
like he just was such a true, like dope, sweet person.
And it's when people passed. Man, it's just been interesting
to see how many people are showing him his flowers.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
This one hit different.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I feel like there's certain people that leave and you go, oh, man,
we should have we should have cherished you more while
you were here.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
It's like you didn't realize how much of a gift
it was.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
I feel like there's certain artists that, like, like like
Nipsey Hustle, when he passed, I feel like people cherished
him more when he was gone. I feel like that's
happening with Dangelo too, and that's really unfortunate because I mean,
there are people who've gave him his flowers, and he
deserves his flowers. But I think people are hitting.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Meet a lot different for some reason. And I'm just like, hmm,
even just me just being inspired to be like, you
just have to you just have to do you, man,
because life for short, really really really really.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Sure sure, yeah you don't have the angel song you
do in karaoke. I'm oh, you probably body that.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
I'm not gonna do.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
That's all we're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
We're only gonna get done that song. And Cruising is
my favorite too.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Lady is good. There's so many Lady Devils is good.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Africa, Who's so good? Yeah, you know, because I'm like
and I'm like, yeah, this is amazing.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
That was a great record Africa.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
The lyrics to that so good, amazing. I can't what
you asking me to sing at the ANGELA song? Yeah,
I can't do that.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Look, this is this is perfect. After that, and the
final one was draw your favorite emoji and it's prayer.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Here it is. But I heard it's not even prayer hands.
I heard that the just really clapping. No, but I
think it's prayer.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's pretty even. And then clapping is the one with the.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I think maybe they've changed it. Maybe initially it started
off as a clap. Yeah, maybe people like the clapping
is now, but that one's new, so they probably replaced
it with that.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, but prayers prayer hands to us, yes, by the way,
and his family for sure. Yeah, you feel like that.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Just you know, when you're trying to not be rude
to someone, but the prayer hand always kind of like,
you know, hey, sorry, I haven't hit you up in
a long time or something, or hey, I can't make
it all the time. I can't make it tonight, prayer
and prayers. Do I do that?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I don't think I do that. I'll put it. I'll
put the little to two pink cards like love. I
just said love like can't make it, herds.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Can't make it. So sorry, I want to start using
that or this.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
I used this a lot.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Oh, I use that a lot. Oh, I used that
a lot.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Anyway, these are so good. All right, See what does
everybody need to know?

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Now?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
What is on the agenda? Aside? So I'm going to
work and find you your person. I'm going to get
onto that. Yeah, the album, of course, everybody can still
lead time with that.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, stream it, buy it, you know, just experience it.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
And by the way, it went number one on the
Nigerian iTunes album chart. Yes is that right?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
And the u k R and b uk R congratulations.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Congratulations, Yes, yes, talk that ship, talk that ship, let
them know you and it's going to go in the US.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
We're working on it is just promoting doing more. I
want to go do more film. I'm writing a story
right now and getting into my Mogo area.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Go get it, moment, get all of it. It's so
good to see you. I'm glad you're doing well. This
was a way better the last time, the first time
we got together.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
So I love to think you what type of what
savage about that