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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five six six nine zero.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
He is the text line short show tonight, we got
buff prime Time.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Coming up at eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We have a run down here, but I'm about to
throw this whole thing away because we got like a
hilarious story brewing, and some of it I could finally
get to. I was talking to Ryan and Dave and
show me before, you know, during the breaks and then
this story like and telling them what was happening, and
then it started kind of breaking as I was telling them.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
What was happening.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm talking to Zach back there. The control roof this
Liam Cohen situation is absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Hilarious for multiple reasons.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
First of all, because I had one of the top
NFL insiders. Dm E was a yesterday saying you had
this thing wrong. Coen was never the guy. I'm not
gonna put this guy on blast. I'm not gonna put
his name out there.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Why why not see this goes? Because I don't I
don't like to who you really are.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, but I don't don't. I mean this kind of
our friends, So I want to do that. But this
is I promise you. This is a dude you see
on TV every day, all right, This is this is
one of the people when they say NFL insiders, it's
one of the first five names.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Let me say, let me go through a process. I'm
not looking away, so.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'll give you I'm just saying anyway. So he gims
me to you know, he gamed me to apologize this
a little bit ago.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But this whole thing was has been riotous because I
knew after.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
The first interview that Jacksonville wanted Liam Cohen, shot Con
wanted Liam Cohen, Trent Balke did not. Karen Balke wanted
Robert Sala sounds about right, uh huh. And with all
due respect because I love Robert Salo and I think
Robert Sala is a good coach. I hope he gets
another shot someday. With all due respect, you had a
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guy in Trent Balky.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
He's got a reputation, right. Haukey's been around the league
for years.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Everybody knows the shenanigans he pulled in San Francisco. He
is the only coach that I'm aware of ever to
attempt to get to hire four head coaches, three of
which were one year or Tom Sulla, Chip Kelly urban Meyer,
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and then Doug Peterson. Joe Peterson is the longest tenured,
most successful head coach Trent balk He's ever hired.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
That's not a great residence. It's a terrible resume. Not
a great resume.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's a terrible If you're the guy that hired Tom Sulla,
then Chip Kelly for a year, both those guys flamed out.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Then you got a job in Jacksonville and your first hires
Urban Meyer and that flames out. Now, Okay, so here's
what I'm wondering.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Right, You've had conversations with people, so you tell me this,
We're gonna.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Get it because this story is wild.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Right, So if you live Cohen, if Jacksonville contacted you
and you were saying, well, I know the history arm
strind BANKI and I don't want to be a part
of that resume. So in order for you to acquire
me from Tampa Bay, I'm gonna need this to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Basically, Basically, Liam Cohen decided and Tampa wanted to keep Liam.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Well, they gave him a bag. Well, we'll get to
that part in the second two. There's more.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So so tat Tipple wanted to keep him. They liked
the energy he and Baker had together. All that kind
of stuff. So, yeah, so Shad Con, who has had
Trent Balkey in his ear for uh quite some time,
and it's heard from around the league.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
People are like, what are you doing? Man like this guy?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I have it from as reliable source as you can
get that. Shod Con just felt comfortable with the Trent
Balky explained things in a way that made him understand.
And for a business guy like shod Con who doesn't
understand football on a technical level, having somebody who's a
former general manager that was in his ear.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
For those of you who watched Lord of the Rings,
Grima worm tongue should come to mind.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Here it was in his ear telling him, you know,
helping him understand things, but helping him understand things through
the lens that he wanted to understood.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So he was just telling him things trem Biden he
wanted to hear well to a degree, I mean, not necessarily,
it was some of it was just trem.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Balky was framing everything that he wanted shod Cat. He
made shod Con here are the things he wanted him
to hear.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
How about that? Well you know what they call that, right,
It's called the Jedi mind trick. Yeah, these are not
the drugs you're looking for a while. He tried to
do that. He tried to do that with the head
coach job here, right, He tried to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
But this is not the head coach you want becausehod
Com was very impressive Lim Cohen and wanted Liam Cohen,
and there are people in the Bill Hall wanted Liam Collin.
Liam Cohen is currently the offensive coordinator of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. They had a great season this year. Go
look at Baker's numbers. He'd be shocked anyway. So they
have the first round of interviews. Trem Buki's on his
dude Bob Sola that goes back aways. Liam Callen is
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the guy everybody else wants. Trent Balky contacts him. We're
going different direction where the way it was.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Okay, okay, So as I'm listening to this, I'm hearing
what you're saying. And I would like to think that
this happens multiple times in the NFL organization. Someone dazzle
you because they happened here. They got the coach speak
or you.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Know how to connect with somebody, you know how to,
you know how.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
To you know, we happened here. We hired date Hackett,
you know how to.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Win the press conference or the interview? Yes, yes, so
so who was that person behind the scene that is
whispering in your ear like Tinkerbell, like, no, this.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Is not right the thing to do. This is not
the guy. He's just saving you coaching buzzwords. You want
this guy who's already got experienced. Yeah, that was Trent
Balkey trying to get his guy, Robert Salaz.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Who was the guy for said Cohn, to get him
off this train. We'll get to that, we'll get we'll
get gelled.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Shot God.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
After after Trent balk comes to it, it's sort of
followed in line with what Trent Bucky looks. Okay, we'll
hire Robert Sally's got experience, he got the thirty in
New York, you know, blah blah blah. Then shot Con,
after the announcement that Liam Cohen is probably going back
to Tampa, breaks on the internet. Shot Con, who has
a Twitter out. He is reading various tweets and sees
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one from a you know, a middle media member somewhere
in America.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I'm not going to mention.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Anybody who who I'm not naming any names names.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I mean, I can mean to I completed the fifth.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, I saw a tweet from somebody that basically spelled
it out, saying, look like the reason you're not getting
these guys that you want is the I don't think
you that shot. Khan realizes the specter that Trumbalky casts
over the process at how many respected names would not
take that job with him in there.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So you gotta got fired. I'm again, this is just
some media member. This is this random media member. I
don't know who. Okay, it's just some random media member.
It could could be any whoever this random guy is
he got someone fire.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Maybe I don't know. I already was handsome, but whatever.
So so he reads it, he sees this, he sees
it and whatever, it was like, what for what a reason?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
That?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That was one that resonated after hearing voice after voice
after voice telling.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Him, Hey, I need to get rid of this guy.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That tweet from a random media member that is not
even in his market resonated calls Trambakian, let you go,
you missed it. I wanted my guy Cohen, you didn't
get him. That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
My gut.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I'm feeling this is the right move. You just trying
to steer me. You've been trying to steer me. Your
decisions haven't worked. Thanks, I appreciate the time you put in,
but we're gonna go in a different direction. Punts on Trambaki. Meanwhile,
the Tampa Bay Box put a contract in front of
Liam Cohen.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It it was I thought, he is kind of principle
agree to it.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, hold on because there's verbally agreeing and then there's
signing on the dot contract was a contract, there's a
verbal agreement and signing on the dona lot A contract
with the signature is not a contract.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So they put a contract in front of li In
collin Tampa Bay to come back be the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It is, it will make It's a three year deal.
It's fully guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It will make Liam Cohen the highest paid offensive coordinator
in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
What do those numbers really look like?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Five and a half a million dollars a year to
be an offensive coordinator. That puts you in, That puts
you in bottom head coach material, your head, the head.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Coach, your mate, your your your your boss.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Doesn't make that much more than you at that point,
all right, So they put that deal in front of them,
they get it agreed to verbally.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yep, I think we're I think we're in a good place.
That's good. I'll come back here. Wait see, see here's
the problem for me.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
So you're giving me where the Buccaneers are offering them
Collin kind of top dollar, and they kind of giving
it to him verbally more money than he was making
before and making him the highest paid OC in the league. Right,
And how is it that that contract we're getting there
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was not signed immediately because it was a fact machine involved.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well all, look ast Tuberville or the problem here, and
then we'll get to this just gets even better. There's
a stipulation in that contract, however.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You have, you cannot take any more.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Conversations with the Jacksonville Jaguars cannot. That clause is in
the contract. But his money, his deal is contingent on
you not doing that.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But if one does not sign said contract, you can
verbally agree to it. Not.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I mean, you know, we all see how much a
verbal agreement couts. Look at kids come into college these days.
Verbal agreement don't mean like it. I mean the situation
that the Bucks find themselves in you sa a letter
of than ten. So fast forward to today, all right,
Liam Cohen. They're trying to get the signature on paper
and move forward with this. They know the Raiders are
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probably gonna hire John spy Tech at this point, which
that now puts that into flux because that deal isn't signed.
By the way, the Jacksonville Jaguars get on the phone,
the hold on, I gotta stab for just there a second.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Why do you have the cat looking on her face
right now? It just keeps getting better.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
There's more, there's something, you know, Oh, there's plenty, but
you're gonna say, I'm gonna try and give everybody's first seam.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So at this point, if this boy Jackson calls Liam
Cohen and they're like maybe they come back, you know, uh,
they say.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
We'll give you. We'll let you pick your general manager.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We'll give you the same amount of Money's Ben Johnson's
getting up there in Chicago. Your general manager report to you.
You'll have personnel. They're gonna give Liam Cohen full control.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Well, Cohen's like a waiting minute, that's that's you're off.
You're off me.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Triple the money, yes, and let me get the let
me get everything that I want.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
He's like, he man, now I have the power. Yeah.
So he's like, okay, let's let's talk.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Meanwhile, the tap Buccaneers are trying to find out where
Liam Callen is they can get this deal side to
move on about their day.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
We mean they got to track him down, track him.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Dog.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He's not in the building at five pm.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Eastern time roughly, he's not in the building. He's not
in the building at five pm. He finally calls his
boss and bowls.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Let me guess what had happened was yeah, oh, but
what had happened was wasn't what had happened.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So you're saying that he was fabricating a school. That
is one way to put it. I was gonna go
with lying, but fabricated, well, see, lyon sounds so bad,
Like in my tous sweets church at in my house.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
We never say lying.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
We call it fib No, he had just sounds so dirty, mistruth. No,
we call it a half truth.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, yes, well this.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Was a half of a half time. Because I'm not
giving him the full half. I'm only give him a
quarter on this one. He uh so he does have
a kid he calls. Yeah, he yes, he does have
a son.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He calls his.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Boss at five pm our time, three pm, excuse me,
five pm East coast, three o'clock here and tells him, uh, yeah,
I'm at the doctor's office.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
With my boy. I'll get over there.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm just doing this, you know, let me, let me
take care of my kid and then we'll we'll take
care of it. In reality, he's reinterviewing with Jacksonville, and
the story starts to break about an hour hour and
a half later.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, are there images of him being seen?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No, no, no, no, no, but there's I mean, it's at
this point where it's out now. It was breaking about
i'll say three thirty ish maybe behind the scenes about
four o'clock had started to hit the Twitter.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Because that prominted insider dm me to apologize for saying
I was way off tractical And when you get the job,
are you? Are you still unwilling to tell us? Yes,
I'm not gonna I'm gonna put the bumbles becuse it's
a good dude. I'm gonna figure this out over the break. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
So is this impending agreement with Jacksonville after all of this,
are we still in the verbal stages, because that's how
we're all still in.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
The verbal stages.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But at this point it's all gotten out there and
now everybody knows leave Cole was lying about being out
there with this kid. He's been negotiating with Jacksonville all day,
and now he's burnt the bridge back there with Tampa
to be able to go back to it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So he has to take this job.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Gotta take it at this which at this point, I think,
which was where it was headed. It was where it
was always headed in the first place. She wanted the job,
they wanted him. No that it was trampball.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Just for a second argument, Colin takes the Jacksonville job.
Does he go back to retrieve his belongings from the
Bucks or.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I think you have mailed I think you let them
box that up and mail it to you. I don't
think you show your face.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Wow, is this similar to what Josh McDaniel did to
the Colts in reverse?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Colin, Josh mcganil's backed out on him.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Oh jeez, and mcdania's had a bunch of coaches who
had already probably you know, made their beds with everyone
else saying okay, turn down jobs, take jobs with him,
only to find out he decided he wanted to go
back and return to the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Right now, he's the other thing too.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Now, if Colin was this sought after, not once but twice,
you gotta figure that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
He made some you know, nice friends on the Bucks roster.
And we know how this works. One guy leaves, he
takes people with him.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, we'll see how much get rated there. This may
throw the John Spytek to the Raiders thing into flux
because oh, because if spy Tech now has a choice,
does he want to go to the Raiders or you know.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Or does he want to hold old he's already committed
to talk.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
He hasn't signed the paperwork. Move dirty game we're playing here.
I'm just that's a dirty game.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And now the further and it really this is the
story is laughing not only at that situation but also
with the Raiders. If John Spyteke goes somewhere else, the
Dallas Cowboys have also jumped into or at least put
their toe into. You know what, We're gonna interview Pete Carroll,
who was the next guy on the Raiders list. That
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Pete Carroll is basically gonna be the guy for the
Raiders if Ben Johnson wasn't, their emergency plan is Steve Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
All right, So I'm trying to picture this Ben from
a logical perspective. If I'm Pete Carroll and Carroll is
what now with seventy one, I think he's about seventy one?
What of those jobs seem to be more enticing, more appealing,
better word, m I would have to say Dallas, because
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at least Dallas they have a quarterback, they have Cede Lamb. Well, yeah,
Dallas has got some pieces, but they're in cap Hell
and you're gonna have to figure it out. But they've
got some pieces in place to win now, which for
maybe more appealing.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
There's also a natural progression, a natural success plan because
you'd keep.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Brian Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator. Well, yes, you do
the same thing in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
What That's what I'm saying. For Dallas, you have a
natural That's what I'm talking about. Now the Raiders have
It's like a couple of players. They're not in cap Hell.
They've got a couple of players, but they're not you know,
that's just it. They've just got a couple of players.
Dallas has got some players. They're just go a cap
cham the the Dallas job. You've already got Brian Schotenhimer
in place. Yeah, you know, like that might be Pizzo
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c Either way, he's worked with them before. I mean,
you know, Brian Schottenheimer took those Seattle offenses and did
wonder that was that's his best resume line.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Well, with the Dominoes falling the way that they are
once again from Pete Carrow.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
And I'm looking at this situation logically because you don't
know how many more years that Pete will actually coach.
Having someone that's already familiar with you, you've with them
already in the organization, has already worked with the quarterbacks
that you can.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Make subtle tweaks here to the roster.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
From a financial standpoint, with the Raiders, there's so many
things you have to do. You don't have kind of
those cornerstone pieces. You really don't.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And then the piece of that you're missing is the
most important.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
You don't have a quarterback, so you don't want to
have a grand opening, and the grand clothing you don't
you know, you don't want that.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But also this here's what you have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
If Pete were to go to Vegas, he's not gonna
get that much pushback from Mark Davis. His interaction will
be with Davis, but more or less with Tom Brady
right in Dallas. That's a much larger headache dealing with
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, look, I know somehow of a pros and car.
However those go down.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I just find it funny in the way that the
ripple effect from all this, from all this goes on
five six, six, nine zeros of text line Jeff and Mayin.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You're wrong, just like you're always wrong. I'm tired of it.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I'm tired of seeing your text messages text another show.
What did Jeff and Main say, Oh, she's Ben Albert's
a fraud and make stuff up? Jean today if shot
cons worth thirteen and a half billion dollars and he
cares nothing about your tweet, let me help you out
with this, Jeff. Everybody here inside this thing, can I
can see my phone. They know the relationship here, they
know the person that I talk to. Okay, that's the
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reason I still have the job here. That's the reason
I still get raises here. That's the reason I still
get new contracts here, all this kind of stuff I
was making things.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I could have been gone a long time ago. Well, Jeff,
I have to say this, and Zach Siegers, you better
not record this.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Even though sometimes Ben could be a pain in the butt,
He's got some of this stuff right.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I mean, to be totally honest, he got some of
this stuff right.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And granted, even we were pushing back against Ben as
far as some of his proclamations about who was going
to end up when and where, But it seems as though,
I mean, I guess the heavens has opened up and
Ben has been pretty right on these situations.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
So I give him credit. I give his flowers. I
appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But it's just funny to me every time this guy texting,
I'm like, dude, what are you doing? Like if you
don't know, I know, you think you know, but you don't.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I do.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And so that that's that's the thing in any event,
And I'm not trying to puff myself up like I'm
really not. It's funny to me that that that was
the straw that broke the camel's back. And I know
from as reliable a source as you can possibly get
someone in the room that you know that.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That is that is the case.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But to me, it's it's funny. It's a bad way
to run a football team. I shouldn't be paid to
be all right, Twitter, if if, if you're you know,
running a football team.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
But I'll say this, I just wanted to if there
was a photo of Todd Bow's face, Well, Liam Cohen
told him a I got something I'm doing with my
son right when he wasn't What was that look.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
On his face?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh, the Todd Bowles and that I mean I would
assume Todd believed him at first, and then all this
stuff broke about an hour half later. So anyway, Liam
Cohen's interviewing in Jacksonville is probably gonna get that job, which.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Is what I thought all along. But well, you know,
and you can see my pin tweet is still and.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Robat Salad probably ends up going back to San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
As the defensive cordon. Most likely that is that is
the most likely scenario with all this. But anyway, where
we stand now is that Leam Cohen is trying to close.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
The deal with Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Uh, Tampa Bay is going to be looking for a
new offensive coordinator and if you want a hilarious name
that is actually in the mix for that job, keep
an eye out for Chip Kelly Rocco's country and.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I'd be back after this.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So the the Shrine game and the common and you
know how they've gone away from the Wonderlick right.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yes, and they're doing like he's bringing back or is
it that that.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Well, I already brought sexy back. But they're doing oh
my god, walk right into they're doing uh.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
These like personality assessments, right, personality assessment.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, you've seen this that you're doing the personality like
to try to get your your psyche, which your mental
makeup is that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I'll like you finish and then I will give you
my retort. All right, all right, I'm doing one.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So I got a hold of the president of the
company and I'm gonna do one and then we'll see
how accurate it is because I've got to, you know,
I have to take the assessment tonight and then they'll
they'll I got a one pm call tomorrow to get
my results and see, I'm gonna see how acurate it is.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Do we really need you to take a test to
really understand Bijamin or Breke.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Do we really need that? I mean, look, when you're
mining the depths of this, I'm glad you said mining
because I'm thinking more of a you know, minefield. Oh
go inside of that head of yours. Well look it's.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Here.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I'll put it this way. I'm just fascinated by what
it is that they're implementing. So I wanted to try
it out.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So I got the I got the president of this
company to let me do the tech, do the exam,
and they're gonna he's gonna read me the results tomorrow
I want.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And then I figured I'll bring it on the air
and then we can like break this thing down. Just
another aspect of what they do at the combine. Okay,
drove thing.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
What was the name?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Not the same as that, but what was it called?
Was it like one or A two or whatever? It
was two?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Thank you, yes, thank you? So I did that when
it's crap so you had to S two and and
you know it's perfectly named S two so if you
can get well, it should be named s h Well anyway, well,
well that's that's why I'm going with it.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
But also when you think about the wonder lick and
these personality tests, Let's really think about this.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
How in depth can.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Those tests be to really tell us how players think
and key situation or determine how well the player will
actually perform in his career.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Okay, so let's start with a wink a lick, all right,
The Wonderlick I'd never thought much of, And in fact,
I went back and ran the data on every Winderlick
score since they've been doing it, and there were only
two positions that even lined up for and it was
an inverse correlation. So basically, tight end or corner, the
worst you did on the wonder Lick, the better NFL
player you were going to be.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
The rest of them. It was all over the map,
and there were guys like Dan Marino scored a twelve
on the.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Winder Lick and he's a Hall of Favor Brian Fitzpatrick
scored forty eight on the Wonderwock and he's not.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I'm just saying. So I took the wonder Lick, I
got forty five. Like it's you know, I mean, it's
not difficult. Let's just do a math.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, okay, so here here's the thing with the ononer
lick it's a time test, and I know some people
are not great at tests taking right, and then when
you add the time in it, because the idea is
that don't stop on one question that holds you up,
continue to proceed.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
And move forward. But most people get hung up on
the fact of guess what, I now have a problem
that I.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Cannot solve, and you're stuck in that particular rut, right,
And all that proves is that some people have more
superior to test taking.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Ability than other people. Yeah, well, so that's sort of
the thing with that test is it really is.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
It doesn't measure anything other than your ability to quickly
analyze something and either move on from it or get
it right, you know that kind of thing. That's what
the Wonderlick is supposed to objectively measure.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I don't feel like it's a successful thing about that.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
And if you've already ever taken it, then taking it
again throws out every It's supposed to be like one
of those things you just take one time and that's it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, we had guys that were practicing taking it fifty
sixty times and that's.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
You know, that's what you learn to master it, just
like you will learn to master the short shuttle the
villains exactly in the fold for exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
That's not how you play, that's not your body and
your mental method opera. It is just you learning how
to test.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Take So it's twelve minutes for fifty questions, right, and
some people just the idea of taking the tests, they
may break out into sweat. And if they realize that
it's twelve minutes, which they know going in, and you've
only answered full questions, now true panic sets in and
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you are unable to move forward. Now something you said
that that's very true. But I want to make sure
that our listening already and to understand this because it's
not really talked about enough. Because when you look at
the one to look tests.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
The idea was that.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You're hoping to find that guys can problem solve and
it would help you determine how a guy thinks when
in critical situations.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
If you can quickly problem solve on the field, that's
the idea. That's the idea.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
But here's a problem that I always found out with this,
and it blew my mind when I found out. So
if you test too high for some teams, they think
that well, that means that you have the ability to
question the authority. That's the reason.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Okay, So polite law enforcement uses used to use some
of these tests, and if you scored too highly, they
didn't want.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You No, they no, they didn't. They wanted you to
just follow.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
They wanted you know, they wanted for police officers, yeah
yet or or and you know me in the military.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You want you to not question orders.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
They don't want you to think that you And so yeah,
that was because the first time I ever took them, wonder,
look at what When I got out of I looked
at possibly do in law enforcement. So I went to
go take the test and just do it. And yeah,
they came back and they're like, yeah, we don't, you know,
really fit within our range. And later I went and
looked at that, I'm like, wow they were. They were
say it was too smart to be you know, which
is stupid because there are lots more cops.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Okay, And that is my point with the test taking,
because you have different set of rules depending on who
is viewing the results.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Right, if you score too high, you too smart, You're
going to question. If you score too low, then.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
At the same time, some teams want that other teams
is like, well, maybe he's not smart enough. So you
at the mercy of the person who is revealing the
results or who interprets the results for the teams, like
if the guy on the teams like, why don't we
have a range or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
So yeah, so I just started looking into a lot
of this stuff. We talked about it. One of the
textures was asking about VR. By the way, with Jade Datis.
We talked about that the other day. I'll talk about
that some more. It's a company called Cognalized. We'll talk
about that. I've just been deep diving on all this
stuff the last couple of days in an effort to
bring you guys more stuff, and so I subject I'm
subjecting myself this evening to this personality assessment. And the
reason I did it at evening was to make sure
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that I, like I wanted to be, you know, the
comb like it can be mentally draining throughout the day.
Well absolutely, I'm not saying I'm but I just want
to do at the end of the day so that
I would simulate being mentally drained rather than hyper alert
like anybody else, so that my results would be in line.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, I'm glad you.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Brought up the combine, because that's going that's kind of
around the debate at some point. But even with the combine,
those interviews where you sit down with the team and
it's almost like speed dating. They want to ask you
certain questions and sometimes they ask you really bizarre questions
that have absolutely nothing to do with the game of football.
But if you don't answer said questions the way that
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they deem that you should answer the questions, which is
so bizarre because not every person is alike. You've gone
through different life situations, no matter if we played the
same position, whether it's safety, corner, running back.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Or quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
But if you don't answer the questions the way they
think you should answer the questions.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Then they say, well, there's a red flag.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
And then now the narratives come out about a player
having difficulties.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
No one, no one says what it is, but it's
just well, it's almost like interviewer for head coaching job,
he did interview, well, well what does that mean? What
does that mean? And that they ask that is a
we gotta ge traffic here in a second. But that
is a fascinating question. Let's get into that.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
On the other side of traffic, because there's some points
I want to make about that, and we've talked about
it on this show a little bit before, but I
got a better way to contextualize that, So we'll get
to that in a minute. Here's we we left off.
We were talking about Yeah, don't carry it with him.
We're talking about the the interview process and in how
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it started with I'm gonna do the personality assessment tonight
that they're doing at the Shrine game and the combine
and all that, and we'll get the results of that tomorrow.
We'll see what the we'll see what they say about
and they can't wait to.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Find out how I again I am.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
We're talking about the process of hiring people and how
the interview process is fundamentally flood. I think they can
I are probably in perfect agreement here. It can be
difficult for some guys who speak the language of football
and have backgrounds coming up that were in certain economic
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stratospheres to speak to a billionaire owner whose whole background
is in the language of business or finance, or whatever
the case may be, and it can be difficult sometimes
to make those connect Sometimes the best guys for the
job get overlooked because somebody interviews better.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
We were talking about tating tests better.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Somebody interviewing better, you know, And if you think about it,
if you've got somebody from a socioeconomic background that is
not nearly as affluent, is a different set of problems.
And so what you think the verbiage that you may
use in some of those interview use maybe too much
technical jargon and football for a guy to understand, maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Framed through the lens of the way you came up
and not the way they and.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So they may not understand what's trying to get across,
and we may we may lose guys in these interview process.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
In fact, we have I know I can an interview process.
There's guys that don't know how to And then you
hear somebody say they interviewed poorly.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well, the first thing you think of is some interviewed
poor They must be dumb. Maybe that's not the case.
Maybe you're just not speaking billionaire. Maybe you're not speaking
the language or the people that are making the decision.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
You say, not speaking billionaire. And that is somewhat of
an issue because you have two individuals.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
And it's not to say that the owners are wrong
and the players or the people are wrong based on
how they grew up.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
But there is somewhat of a language barrier.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
There is a conflict as far as being able to
to highly communicate at a level where your thoughts can
be articulated in a certain way for and it's not
to say just because there's like for me, I mean,
I grew up in the inner city. But when you're
sitting down in front of an owner, I think the
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first thing you have to do is mentally remove the
fact that this person is.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
A billionaire, as though that may be hard to do, but.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Just look at it as though you're talking from a
person to a person, and that's the way that the
owners should look at you. We're talking person to person, right,
we're talking about football.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Right, here's something.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Maybe there's an owner who knows in depth about football,
maybe some owners who don't.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
But the idea is that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Why are you guys all in the room. The purpose
is you're searching for a GM, you're searching for a
head coach. And here are a couple of things I'm
looking for on my sheet of paper that I need
you to check these boxes. And a lot of guys
don't get the jobs because they didn't necessarily check those boxes.
It wasn't that they were inadequate, they lacked the education.
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And yes, they have been working in football for a
long period of time, so they understood all the jogs
and associated with football. But that doesn't mean as though
they are dunting they're the class dummy. It's just the
fact of why we're in the room. Do we both
understand why we're here and ideas. I'm trying to get
to know you as being the leader of my club,
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and sometimes that language barrier doesn't always meet. But I've
heard I hear all the time about my i'll speak,
you know, freely, minority coaches and not getting certain jobs.
He wasn't smart enough, And I'm like, well, that guy
has forgotten more about the game than you would ever know.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Smart doesn't necessarily mean it's different kinds of smart. You know,
you could have an astrophysicist and you don't know Jack
squat about football.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You might not even know how to make a hamburger.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I'm just you know, there are different types of intelligence,
and I think that that's a that's a part of
the process we've got to figure out. Because one of
the things that are studied over the last few years
is who continually has success hiring people to be head
coaches in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers, Well, they hire somebody and they
keep him a long time. That's that's I'm saying, that's
that's great front off his work. You know who else
is really good at it? Who's that Philadelphi Eagles. Go
back and look at it.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
The hirings that they've made since they're their owner of
the current owner, every lowery has taken over Andy Reid.
Really the only hiccup in that pile is Doug Peterson.
I mean, I guess Chip Kelly had initial six well,
and I don't know that Doug won a Super Bowl, right,
So I've ad that's not really a hiccup. And then
you get hardboard too as well coming from that tree. Well, yeah,
I mean, there's plenty of people on the trip, but
(33:45):
I'm let's talk about the head coaching johnfor the hired
Andy Reid and then they ultimately fired him to go
to Chip Kelly. And yeah, well, there was a whole
lot of mistakes going on around that time. They demoted
Howi Roseman. At that point in time, they hired Chip Kelly,
and then when they got rid of Chip and brought
Howie back, then all a sudden, the hired Doug Peterson.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
They got Nick Sirianni. Sirianne is the best winning percentage
almost an NFL history.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's funny how many people want to talk about him
on the hot seat up like, Okay, I mean sure,
but he's also got the I.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Mean the best winning percentage.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
If you will call him how he's puppet, fine, but
he's got the best winning percentage of all history.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Like that, dude, whatever you think of him, they're out
there winning games.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So you know, looking at guys and teams that have
made multiple hires that have that have panned out, and
teams that have acknowledged their mistakes, like Philadelphia's kind of
down on there. They got, you know, Joe Banner used
to be involved with Philly, used to be Evolva. Look
at some of the guys and he's hired over the years.
I'm all pretty much panned out. So my idea at
some point to start picking the brains of what it
is that those people look for for head coaches, because
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the just hire the hot x's and o's offensive and defensive.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Guy doesn't really work most of the time.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Oh, we'll see maybe Ben Johnson's exception at the World
Broncos Country and I'd be back after this
Five six six nine zero.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
He is the text line short show tonight, we got
buff prime Time.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Coming up at eight o'clock.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We have a run down here, but I'm about to
throw this whole thing away because we got like a
hilarious story brewing, and some of it I could finally
get to. I was talking to Ryan and Dave and
show me before, you know, during the breaks and then
this story like and telling them what was happening, and
then it started kind of breaking as I was telling them.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
What was happening.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm talking to Zach back there. The control roof this
Liam Cohen situation is absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Hilarious for multiple reasons.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
First of all, because I had one of the top
NFL insiders. Dm E was a yesterday saying you had
this thing wrong. Coen was never the guy. I'm not
gonna put this guy on blast. I'm not gonna put
his name out there.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Why why not see this goes? Because I don't I
don't like to who you really are.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, but I don't don't. I mean this kind of
our friends, So I want to do that. But this
is I promise you. This is a dude you see
on TV every day, all right, This is this is
one of the people when they say NFL insiders, it's
one of the first five names.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Let me say, let me go through a process. I'm
not looking away, so.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'll give you I'm just saying anyway. So he gims
me to you know, he gamed me to apologize this
a little bit ago.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
But this whole thing was has been riotous because I
knew after.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
The first interview that Jacksonville wanted Liam Cohen, shot Con
wanted Liam Cohen, Trent Balke did not. Karen Balke wanted
Robert Sala sounds about right, uh huh. And with all
due respect because I love Robert Salo and I think
Robert Sala is a good coach. I hope he gets
another shot someday. With all due respect, you had a
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guy in Trent Balky.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
He's got a reputation, right. Haukey's been around the league
for years.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Everybody knows the shenanigans he pulled in San Francisco. He
is the only coach that I'm aware of ever to
attempt to get to hire four head coaches, three of
which were one year or Tom Sulla, Chip Kelly urban Meyer,
(02:06):
and then Doug Peterson. Joe Peterson is the longest tenured,
most successful head coach Trent balk He's ever hired.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
That's not a great residence. It's a terrible resume. Not
a great resume.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's a terrible If you're the guy that hired Tom Sulla,
then Chip Kelly for a year, both those guys flamed out.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Then you got a job in Jacksonville and your first hires
Urban Meyer and that flames out. Now, Okay, so here's
what I'm wondering.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Right, You've had conversations with people, so you tell me this,
We're gonna.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Get it because this story is wild.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Right, So if you live Cohen, if Jacksonville contacted you
and you were saying, well, I know the history arm
strind BANKI and I don't want to be a part
of that resume. So in order for you to acquire
me from Tampa Bay, I'm gonna need this to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Basically, Basically, Liam Cohen decided and Tampa wanted to keep Liam.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Well, they gave him a bag. Well, we'll get to
that part in the second two. There's more.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So so tat Tipple wanted to keep him. They liked
the energy he and Baker had together. All that kind
of stuff. So, yeah, so Shad Con, who has had
Trent Balkey in his ear for uh quite some time,
and it's heard from around the league.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
People are like, what are you doing? Man like this guy?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I have it from as reliable source as you can
get that. Shod Con just felt comfortable with the Trent
Balky explained things in a way that made him understand.
And for a business guy like shod Con who doesn't
understand football on a technical level, having somebody who's a
former general manager that was in his ear.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
For those of you who watched Lord of the Rings,
Grima worm tongue should come to mind.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Here it was in his ear telling him, you know,
helping him understand things, but helping him understand things through
the lens that he wanted to understood.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So he was just telling him things trem Biden he
wanted to hear well to a degree, I mean, not necessarily,
it was some of it was just trem.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Balky was framing everything that he wanted shod Cat. He
made shod Con here are the things he wanted him
to hear.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
How about that? Well you know what they call that, right,
It's called the Jedi mind trick. Yeah, these are not
the drugs you're looking for a while. He tried to
do that. He tried to do that with the head
coach job here, right, He tried to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
But this is not the head coach you want becausehod
Com was very impressive Lim Cohen and wanted Liam Cohen,
and there are people in the Bill Hall wanted Liam Collin.
Liam Cohen is currently the offensive coordinator of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. They had a great season this year. Go
look at Baker's numbers. He'd be shocked anyway. So they
have the first round of interviews. Trem Buki's on his
dude Bob Sola that goes back aways. Liam Callen is
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the guy everybody else wants. Trent Balky contacts him. We're
going different direction where the way it was.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Okay, okay, So as I'm listening to this, I'm hearing
what you're saying. And I would like to think that
this happens multiple times in the NFL organization. Someone dazzle
you because they happened here. They got the coach speak
or you.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Know how to connect with somebody, you know how to,
you know how.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
To you know, we happened here. We hired date Hackett,
you know how to.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Win the press conference or the interview? Yes, yes, so
so who was that person behind the scene that is
whispering in your ear like Tinkerbell, like, no, this.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Is not right the thing to do. This is not
the guy. He's just saving you coaching buzzwords. You want
this guy who's already got experienced. Yeah, that was Trent
Balkey trying to get his guy, Robert Salaz.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Who was the guy for said Cohn, to get him
off this train. We'll get to that, we'll get we'll
get gelled.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Shot God.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
After after Trent balk comes to it, it's sort of
followed in line with what Trent Bucky looks. Okay, we'll
hire Robert Sally's got experience, he got the thirty in
New York, you know, blah blah blah. Then shot Con,
after the announcement that Liam Cohen is probably going back
to Tampa, breaks on the internet. Shot Con, who has
a Twitter out. He is reading various tweets and sees
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one from a you know, a middle media member somewhere
in America.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I'm not going to mention.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Anybody who who I'm not naming any names names.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I mean, I can mean to I completed the fifth.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Okay, I saw a tweet from somebody that basically spelled
it out, saying, look like the reason you're not getting
these guys that you want is the I don't think
you that shot. Khan realizes the specter that Trumbalky casts
over the process at how many respected names would not
take that job with him in there.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So you gotta got fired. I'm again, this is just
some media member. This is this random media member. I
don't know who. Okay, it's just some random media member.
It could could be any whoever this random guy is
he got someone fire.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Maybe I don't know. I already was handsome, but whatever.
So so he reads it, he sees this, he sees
it and whatever, it was like, what for what a reason?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
That?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
That was one that resonated after hearing voice after voice
after voice telling.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Him, Hey, I need to get rid of this guy.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That tweet from a random media member that is not
even in his market resonated calls Trambakian, let you go,
you missed it. I wanted my guy Cohen, you didn't
get him. That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
My gut.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I'm feeling this is the right move. You just trying
to steer me. You've been trying to steer me. Your
decisions haven't worked. Thanks, I appreciate the time you put in,
but we're gonna go in a different direction. Punts on Trambaki. Meanwhile,
the Tampa Bay Box put a contract in front of
Liam Cohen.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It it was I thought, he is kind of principle
agree to it.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well, hold on because there's verbally agreeing and then there's
signing on the dot contract was a contract, there's a
verbal agreement and signing on the dona lot A contract
with the signature is not a contract.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So they put a contract in front of li In
collin Tampa Bay to come back be the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It is, it will make It's a three year deal.
It's fully guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It will make Liam Cohen the highest paid offensive coordinator
in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
What do those numbers really look like?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Five and a half a million dollars a year to
be an offensive coordinator. That puts you in, That puts
you in bottom head coach material, your head, the head.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Coach, your mate, your your your your boss.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Doesn't make that much more than you at that point,
all right, So they put that deal in front of them,
they get it agreed to verbally.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yep, I think we're I think we're in a good place.
That's good. I'll come back here. Wait see, see here's
the problem for me.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
So you're giving me where the Buccaneers are offering them
Collin kind of top dollar, and they kind of giving
it to him verbally more money than he was making
before and making him the highest paid OC in the league. Right,
And how is it that that contract we're getting there
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was not signed immediately because it was a fact machine involved.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well all, look ast Tuberville or the problem here, and
then we'll get to this just gets even better. There's
a stipulation in that contract, however.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You have, you cannot take any more.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Conversations with the Jacksonville Jaguars cannot. That clause is in
the contract. But his money, his deal is contingent on
you not doing that.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But if one does not sign said contract, you can
verbally agree to it. Not.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I mean, you know, we all see how much a
verbal agreement couts. Look at kids come into college these days.
Verbal agreement don't mean like it. I mean the situation
that the Bucks find themselves in you sa a letter
of than ten. So fast forward to today, all right,
Liam Cohen. They're trying to get the signature on paper
and move forward with this. They know the Raiders are
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probably gonna hire John spy Tech at this point, which
that now puts that into flux because that deal isn't signed.
By the way, the Jacksonville Jaguars get on the phone,
the hold on, I gotta stab for just there a second.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Why do you have the cat looking on her face
right now? It just keeps getting better.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
There's more, there's something, you know, Oh, there's plenty, but
you're gonna say, I'm gonna try and give everybody's first seam.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So at this point, if this boy Jackson calls Liam
Cohen and they're like maybe they come back, you know, uh,
they say.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
We'll give you. We'll let you pick your general manager.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We'll give you the same amount of Money's Ben Johnson's
getting up there in Chicago. Your general manager report to you.
You'll have personnel. They're gonna give Liam Cohen full control.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Well, Cohen's like a waiting minute, that's that's you're off.
You're off me.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Triple the money, yes, and let me get the let
me get everything that I want.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
He's like, he man, now I have the power. Yeah.
So he's like, okay, let's let's talk.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Meanwhile, the tap Buccaneers are trying to find out where
Liam Callen is they can get this deal side to
move on about their day.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
We mean they got to track him down, track him.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Dog.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He's not in the building at five pm.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Eastern time roughly, he's not in the building. He's not
in the building at five pm. He finally calls his
boss and bowls.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Let me guess what had happened was yeah, oh, but
what had happened was wasn't what had happened.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
So you're saying that he was fabricating a school. That
is one way to put it. I was gonna go
with lying, but fabricated, well, see, lyon sounds so bad,
Like in my tous sweets church at in my house.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
We never say lying.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
We call it fib No, he had just sounds so dirty, mistruth. No,
we call it a half truth.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, yes, well this.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Was a half of a half time. Because I'm not
giving him the full half. I'm only give him a
quarter on this one. He uh so he does have
a kid he calls. Yeah, he yes, he does have
a son.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
He calls his.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Boss at five pm our time, three pm, excuse me,
five pm East coast, three o'clock here and tells him, uh, yeah,
I'm at the doctor's office.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
With my boy. I'll get over there.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm just doing this, you know, let me, let me
take care of my kid and then we'll we'll take
care of it. In reality, he's reinterviewing with Jacksonville, and
the story starts to break about an hour hour and
a half later.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Well, are there images of him being seen?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No, no, no, no, no, but there's I mean, it's at
this point where it's out now. It was breaking about
i'll say three thirty ish maybe behind the scenes about
four o'clock had started to hit the Twitter.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Because that prominted insider dm me to apologize for saying
I was way off tractical And when you get the job,
are you? Are you still unwilling to tell us? Yes,
I'm not gonna I'm gonna put the bumbles becuse it's
a good dude. I'm gonna figure this out over the break. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
So is this impending agreement with Jacksonville after all of this,
are we still in the verbal stages, because that's how
we're all still in.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
The verbal stages.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But at this point it's all gotten out there and
now everybody knows leave Cole was lying about being out
there with this kid. He's been negotiating with Jacksonville all day,
and now he's burnt the bridge back there with Tampa
to be able to go back to it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So he has to take this job.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Gotta take it at this which at this point, I think,
which was where it was headed. It was where it
was always headed in the first place. She wanted the job,
they wanted him. No that it was trampball.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Just for a second argument, Colin takes the Jacksonville job.
Does he go back to retrieve his belongings from the
Bucks or.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I think you have mailed I think you let them
box that up and mail it to you. I don't
think you show your face.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Wow, is this similar to what Josh McDaniel did to
the Colts in reverse?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Colin, Josh mcganil's backed out on him.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Oh jeez, and mcdania's had a bunch of coaches who
had already probably you know, made their beds with everyone
else saying okay, turn down jobs, take jobs with him,
only to find out he decided he wanted to go
back and return to the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Right now, he's the other thing too.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Now, if Colin was this sought after, not once but twice,
you gotta figure that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
He made some you know, nice friends on the Bucks roster.
And we know how this works. One guy leaves, he
takes people with him.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, we'll see how much get rated there. This may
throw the John Spytek to the Raiders thing into flux
because oh, because if spy Tech now has a choice,
does he want to go to the Raiders or you know.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Or does he want to hold old he's already committed
to talk.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
He hasn't signed the paperwork. Move dirty game we're playing here.
I'm just that's a dirty game.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And now the further and it really this is the
story is laughing not only at that situation but also
with the Raiders. If John Spyteke goes somewhere else, the
Dallas Cowboys have also jumped into or at least put
their toe into. You know what, We're gonna interview Pete Carroll,
who was the next guy on the Raiders list. That
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Pete Carroll is basically gonna be the guy for the
Raiders if Ben Johnson wasn't, their emergency plan is Steve Spagnola.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
All right, So I'm trying to picture this Ben from
a logical perspective. If I'm Pete Carroll and Carroll is
what now with seventy one, I think he's about seventy one?
What of those jobs seem to be more enticing, more appealing,
better word, m I would have to say Dallas, because
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at least Dallas they have a quarterback, they have Cede Lamb. Well, yeah,
Dallas has got some pieces, but they're in cap Hell
and you're gonna have to figure it out. But they've
got some pieces in place to win now, which for
maybe more appealing.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
There's also a natural progression, a natural success plan because
you'd keep.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Brian Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator. Well, yes, you do
the same thing in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
What That's what I'm saying. For Dallas, you have a
natural That's what I'm talking about. Now the Raiders have
It's like a couple of players. They're not in cap Hell.
They've got a couple of players, but they're not you know,
that's just it. They've just got a couple of players.
Dallas has got some players. They're just go a cap
cham the the Dallas job. You've already got Brian Schotenhimer
in place. Yeah, you know, like that might be Pizzo
(16:28):
c Either way, he's worked with them before. I mean,
you know, Brian Schottenheimer took those Seattle offenses and did
wonder that was that's his best resume line.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Well, with the Dominoes falling the way that they are
once again from Pete Carrow.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
And I'm looking at this situation logically because you don't
know how many more years that Pete will actually coach.
Having someone that's already familiar with you, you've with them
already in the organization, has already worked with the quarterbacks
that you can.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Make subtle tweaks here to the roster.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
From a financial standpoint, with the Raiders, there's so many
things you have to do. You don't have kind of
those cornerstone pieces. You really don't.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
And then the piece of that you're missing is the
most important.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
You don't have a quarterback, so you don't want to
have a grand opening, and the grand clothing you don't
you know, you don't want that.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But also this here's what you have to deal with.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
If Pete were to go to Vegas, he's not gonna
get that much pushback from Mark Davis. His interaction will
be with Davis, but more or less with Tom Brady
right in Dallas. That's a much larger headache dealing with
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, look, I know somehow of a pros and car.
However those go down.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I just find it funny in the way that the
ripple effect from all this, from all this goes on
five six, six, nine zeros of text line Jeff and Mayin.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You're wrong, just like you're always wrong. I'm tired of it.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I'm tired of seeing your text messages text another show.
What did Jeff and Main say, Oh, she's Ben Albert's
a fraud and make stuff up? Jean today if shot
cons worth thirteen and a half billion dollars and he
cares nothing about your tweet, let me help you out
with this, Jeff. Everybody here inside this thing, can I
can see my phone. They know the relationship here, they
know the person that I talk to. Okay, that's the
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reason I still have the job here. That's the reason
I still get raises here. That's the reason I still
get new contracts here, all this kind of stuff I
was making things.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I could have been gone a long time ago. Well, Jeff,
I have to say this, and Zach Siegers, you better
not record this.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Even though sometimes Ben could be a pain in the butt,
He's got some of this stuff right.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I mean, to be totally honest, he got some of
this stuff right.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And granted, even we were pushing back against Ben as
far as some of his proclamations about who was going
to end up when and where, But it seems as though,
I mean, I guess the heavens has opened up and
Ben has been pretty right on these situations.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
So I give him credit. I give his flowers. I
appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But it's just funny to me every time this guy texting,
I'm like, dude, what are you doing? Like if you
don't know, I know, you think you know, but you don't.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I do.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And so that that's that's the thing in any event,
And I'm not trying to puff myself up like I'm
really not. It's funny to me that that that was
the straw that broke the camel's back. And I know
from as reliable a source as you can possibly get
someone in the room that you know that.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That is that is the case.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But to me, it's it's funny. It's a bad way
to run a football team. I shouldn't be paid to
be all right, Twitter, if if, if you're you know,
running a football team.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
But I'll say this, I just wanted to if there
was a photo of Todd Bow's face, Well, Liam Cohen
told him a I got something I'm doing with my
son right when he wasn't What was that look.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
On his face?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh, the Todd Bowles and that I mean I would
assume Todd believed him at first, and then all this
stuff broke about an hour half later. So anyway, Liam
Cohen's interviewing in Jacksonville is probably gonna get that job, which.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Is what I thought all along. But well, you know,
and you can see my pin tweet is still and.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Robat Salad probably ends up going back to San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
As the defensive cordon. Most likely that is that is
the most likely scenario with all this. But anyway, where
we stand now is that Leam Cohen is trying to close.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
The deal with Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Uh, Tampa Bay is going to be looking for a
new offensive coordinator and if you want a hilarious name
that is actually in the mix for that job, keep
an eye out for Chip Kelly Rocco's country and.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I'd be back after this.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So the the Shrine game and the common and you
know how they've gone away from the Wonderlick right.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yes, and they're doing like he's bringing back or is
it that that.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Well, I already brought sexy back. But they're doing oh
my god, walk right into they're doing uh.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
These like personality assessments, right, personality assessment.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, you've seen this that you're doing the personality like
to try to get your your psyche, which your mental
makeup is that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I'll like you finish and then I will give you
my retort. All right, all right, I'm doing one.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So I got a hold of the president of the
company and I'm gonna do one and then we'll see
how accurate it is because I've got to, you know,
I have to take the assessment tonight and then they'll
they'll I got a one pm call tomorrow to get
my results and see, I'm gonna see how acurate it is.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Do we really need you to take a test to
really understand Bijamin or Breke.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Do we really need that? I mean, look, when you're
mining the depths of this, I'm glad you said mining
because I'm thinking more of a you know, minefield. Oh
go inside of that head of yours. Well look it's.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Here.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I'll put it this way. I'm just fascinated by what
it is that they're implementing. So I wanted to try
it out.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So I got the I got the president of this
company to let me do the tech, do the exam,
and they're gonna he's gonna read me the results tomorrow
I want.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And then I figured I'll bring it on the air
and then we can like break this thing down. Just
another aspect of what they do at the combine. Okay,
drove thing.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
What was the name?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Not the same as that, but what was it called?
Was it like one or A two or whatever? It
was two?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Thank you, yes, thank you? So I did that when
it's crap so you had to S two and and
you know it's perfectly named S two so if you
can get well, it should be named s h Well anyway, well,
well that's that's why I'm going with it.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
But also when you think about the wonder lick and
these personality tests, Let's really think about this.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
How in depth can.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Those tests be to really tell us how players think
and key situation or determine how well the player will
actually perform in his career.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Okay, so let's start with a wink a lick, all right,
The Wonderlick I'd never thought much of, And in fact,
I went back and ran the data on every Winderlick
score since they've been doing it, and there were only
two positions that even lined up for and it was
an inverse correlation. So basically, tight end or corner, the
worst you did on the wonder Lick, the better NFL
player you were going to be.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
The rest of them. It was all over the map,
and there were guys like Dan Marino scored a twelve
on the.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Winder Lick and he's a Hall of Favor Brian Fitzpatrick
scored forty eight on the Wonderwock and he's not.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
I'm just saying. So I took the wonder Lick, I
got forty five. Like it's you know, I mean, it's
not difficult. Let's just do a math.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, okay, so here here's the thing with the ononer
lick it's a time test, and I know some people
are not great at tests taking right, and then when
you add the time in it, because the idea is
that don't stop on one question that holds you up,
continue to proceed.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
And move forward. But most people get hung up on
the fact of guess what, I now have a problem
that I.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Cannot solve, and you're stuck in that particular rut, right,
And all that proves is that some people have more
superior to test taking.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Ability than other people. Yeah, well, so that's sort of
the thing with that test is it really is.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
It doesn't measure anything other than your ability to quickly
analyze something and either move on from it or get
it right, you know that kind of thing. That's what
the Wonderlick is supposed to objectively measure.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I don't feel like it's a successful thing about that.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
And if you've already ever taken it, then taking it
again throws out every It's supposed to be like one
of those things you just take one time and that's it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, we had guys that were practicing taking it fifty
sixty times and that's.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
You know, that's what you learn to master it, just
like you will learn to master the short shuttle the
villains exactly in the fold for exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
That's not how you play, that's not your body and
your mental method opera. It is just you learning how
to test.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Take So it's twelve minutes for fifty questions, right, and
some people just the idea of taking the tests, they
may break out into sweat. And if they realize that
it's twelve minutes, which they know going in, and you've
only answered full questions, now true panic sets in and
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you are unable to move forward. Now something you said
that that's very true. But I want to make sure
that our listening already and to understand this because it's
not really talked about enough. Because when you look at
the one to look tests.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
The idea was that.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You're hoping to find that guys can problem solve and
it would help you determine how a guy thinks when
in critical situations.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
If you can quickly problem solve on the field, that's
the idea. That's the idea.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
But here's a problem that I always found out with this,
and it blew my mind when I found out. So
if you test too high for some teams, they think
that well, that means that you have the ability to
question the authority. That's the reason.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Okay, So polite law enforcement uses used to use some
of these tests, and if you scored too highly, they
didn't want.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You No, they no, they didn't. They wanted you to
just follow.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
They wanted you know, they wanted for police officers, yeah
yet or or and you know me in the military.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You want you to not question orders.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
They don't want you to think that you And so yeah,
that was because the first time I ever took them, wonder,
look at what When I got out of I looked
at possibly do in law enforcement. So I went to
go take the test and just do it. And yeah,
they came back and they're like, yeah, we don't, you know,
really fit within our range. And later I went and
looked at that, I'm like, wow they were. They were
say it was too smart to be you know, which
is stupid because there are lots more cops.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Okay, And that is my point with the test taking,
because you have different set of rules depending on who
is viewing the results.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Right, if you score too high, you too smart, You're
going to question. If you score too low, then.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
At the same time, some teams want that other teams
is like, well, maybe he's not smart enough. So you
at the mercy of the person who is revealing the
results or who interprets the results for the teams, like
if the guy on the teams like, why don't we
have a range or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
So yeah, so I just started looking into a lot
of this stuff. We talked about it. One of the
textures was asking about VR. By the way, with Jade Datis.
We talked about that the other day. I'll talk about
that some more. It's a company called Cognalized. We'll talk
about that. I've just been deep diving on all this
stuff the last couple of days in an effort to
bring you guys more stuff, and so I subject I'm
subjecting myself this evening to this personality assessment. And the
reason I did it at evening was to make sure
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that I, like I wanted to be, you know, the
comb like it can be mentally draining throughout the day.
Well absolutely, I'm not saying I'm but I just want
to do at the end of the day so that
I would simulate being mentally drained rather than hyper alert
like anybody else, so that my results would be in line.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Well, I'm glad you.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Brought up the combine, because that's going that's kind of
around the debate at some point. But even with the combine,
those interviews where you sit down with the team and
it's almost like speed dating. They want to ask you
certain questions and sometimes they ask you really bizarre questions
that have absolutely nothing to do with the game of football.
But if you don't answer said questions the way that
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they deem that you should answer the questions, which is
so bizarre because not every person is alike. You've gone
through different life situations, no matter if we played the
same position, whether it's safety, corner, running back.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Or quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
But if you don't answer the questions the way they
think you should answer the questions.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Then they say, well, there's a red flag.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
And then now the narratives come out about a player
having difficulties.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
No one, no one says what it is, but it's
just well, it's almost like interviewer for head coaching job,
he did interview, well, well what does that mean? What
does that mean? And that they ask that is a
we gotta ge traffic here in a second. But that
is a fascinating question. Let's get into that.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
On the other side of traffic, because there's some points
I want to make about that, and we've talked about
it on this show a little bit before, but I
got a better way to contextualize that, So we'll get
to that in a minute. Here's we we left off.
We were talking about Yeah, don't carry it with him.
We're talking about the the interview process and in how
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it started with I'm gonna do the personality assessment tonight
that they're doing at the Shrine game and the combine
and all that, and we'll get the results of that tomorrow.
We'll see what the we'll see what they say about
and they can't wait to.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Find out how I again I am.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
We're talking about the process of hiring people and how
the interview process is fundamentally flood. I think they can
I are probably in perfect agreement here. It can be
difficult for some guys who speak the language of football
and have backgrounds coming up that were in certain economic
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stratospheres to speak to a billionaire owner whose whole background
is in the language of business or finance, or whatever
the case may be, and it can be difficult sometimes
to make those connect Sometimes the best guys for the
job get overlooked because somebody interviews better.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
We were talking about tating tests better.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Somebody interviewing better, you know, And if you think about it,
if you've got somebody from a socioeconomic background that is
not nearly as affluent, is a different set of problems.
And so what you think the verbiage that you may
use in some of those interview use maybe too much
technical jargon and football for a guy to understand, maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Framed through the lens of the way you came up
and not the way they and.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
So they may not understand what's trying to get across,
and we may we may lose guys in these interview process.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
In fact, we have I know I can an interview process.
There's guys that don't know how to And then you
hear somebody say they interviewed poorly.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well, the first thing you think of is some interviewed
poor They must be dumb. Maybe that's not the case.
Maybe you're just not speaking billionaire. Maybe you're not speaking
the language or the people that are making the decision.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
You say, not speaking billionaire. And that is somewhat of
an issue because you have two individuals.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
And it's not to say that the owners are wrong
and the players or the people are wrong based on
how they grew up.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
But there is somewhat of a language barrier.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
There is a conflict as far as being able to
to highly communicate at a level where your thoughts can
be articulated in a certain way for and it's not
to say just because there's like for me, I mean,
I grew up in the inner city. But when you're
sitting down in front of an owner, I think the
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first thing you have to do is mentally remove the
fact that this person is.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
A billionaire, as though that may be hard to do, but.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Just look at it as though you're talking from a
person to a person, and that's the way that the
owners should look at you. We're talking person to person, right,
we're talking about football.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Right, here's something.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Maybe there's an owner who knows in depth about football,
maybe some owners who don't.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
But the idea is that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Why are you guys all in the room. The purpose
is you're searching for a GM, you're searching for a
head coach. And here are a couple of things I'm
looking for on my sheet of paper that I need
you to check these boxes. And a lot of guys
don't get the jobs because they didn't necessarily check those boxes.
It wasn't that they were inadequate, they lacked the education.
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And yes, they have been working in football for a
long period of time, so they understood all the jogs
and associated with football. But that doesn't mean as though
they are dunting they're the class dummy. It's just the
fact of why we're in the room. Do we both
understand why we're here and ideas. I'm trying to get
to know you as being the leader of my club,
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and sometimes that language barrier doesn't always meet. But I've
heard I hear all the time about my i'll speak,
you know, freely, minority coaches and not getting certain jobs.
He wasn't smart enough, And I'm like, well, that guy
has forgotten more about the game than you would ever know.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Smart doesn't necessarily mean it's different kinds of smart. You know,
you could have an astrophysicist and you don't know Jack
squat about football.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You might not even know how to make a hamburger.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I'm just you know, there are different types of intelligence,
and I think that that's a that's a part of
the process we've got to figure out. Because one of
the things that are studied over the last few years
is who continually has success hiring people to be head
coaches in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers, Well, they hire somebody and they
keep him a long time. That's that's I'm saying, that's
that's great front off his work. You know who else
is really good at it? Who's that Philadelphi Eagles. Go
back and look at it.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
The hirings that they've made since they're their owner of
the current owner, every lowery has taken over Andy Reid.
Really the only hiccup in that pile is Doug Peterson.
I mean, I guess Chip Kelly had initial six well,
and I don't know that Doug won a Super Bowl, right,
So I've ad that's not really a hiccup. And then
you get hardboard too as well coming from that tree. Well, yeah,
I mean, there's plenty of people on the trip, but
(33:45):
I'm let's talk about the head coaching johnfor the hired
Andy Reid and then they ultimately fired him to go
to Chip Kelly. And yeah, well, there was a whole
lot of mistakes going on around that time. They demoted
Howi Roseman. At that point in time, they hired Chip Kelly,
and then when they got rid of Chip and brought
Howie back, then all a sudden, the hired Doug Peterson.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
They got Nick Sirianni. Sirianne is the best winning percentage
almost an NFL history.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's funny how many people want to talk about him
on the hot seat up like, Okay, I mean sure,
but he's also got the I.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Mean the best winning percentage.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
If you will call him how he's puppet, fine, but
he's got the best winning percentage of all history.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Like that, dude, whatever you think of him, they're out
there winning games.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
So you know, looking at guys and teams that have
made multiple hires that have that have panned out, and
teams that have acknowledged their mistakes, like Philadelphia's kind of
down on there. They got, you know, Joe Banner used
to be involved with Philly, used to be Evolva. Look
at some of the guys and he's hired over the years.
I'm all pretty much panned out. So my idea at
some point to start picking the brains of what it
is that those people look for for head coaches, because
(34:47):
the just hire the hot x's and o's offensive and defensive.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Guy doesn't really work most of the time.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Oh, we'll see maybe Ben Johnson's exception at the World
Broncos Country and I'd be back after this
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